In a interview aired on “The Kelly File” Wednesday, filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza and former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers butted heads on every talking point.
At one point, Ayers openly admitted that he “is not proud to be an American.”
D’Souza said he can see why the U.S. is an exceptional nation because he’s lived in other cultures.
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Ayers, in defense of his actions in the past, said:
“The reality is we were never terrorists, and Dinesh does call our group terrorists and that’s not true because terrorism, even if you take Webster’s definition, it’s force and coercion intended to spread fear and panic to make your point and it often involves killing civilians. We never killed anyone; we did noisy, loud, very open destruction of property at a time when 6000 people a week were being murdered by our government.”
D’Souza squandered that notion by saying, “there was a big difference between Martin Luther King [Jr.] breaking the law and Bill Ayers breaking the law. Dr. King used non-violent methods to protest an unjust society and proudly went to jail to make a point. Ayers used violent tactics and fled justice, D’Souza explained.”
The terrorism actions D’Souza was speaking of can be found in another segment with Megyn Kelly. There is also an interview in which former NYPD and FBI agents dispute Ayers’ claims that he and his group didn’t commit terrorism acts.