The White House today released a copy of President Obama’s “Certificate of Live Birth,” a document that for the first time claims Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital as the president’s birth place.
The White House confirmed the document as “proof positive” the president was born in Hawaii.
According to White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer, Obama decided the full document was needed because of the growing questions about the president’s birth.
He described how there had been concern about the Internet “chatter” that had grown into a national political debate.
He said the president thought it was becoming a “distraction” from the issues that face the nation.
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I knew Barry was slow, but 26 days?
This is good if it proves to be a legitimate birth certificate?
Legitimate, this is merely the same thing he presented months ago. Couple things wrong with this report. In the first place, in 1961, the race for father would not have been African, it would have been Negro. Where is the seal? Where is that long, black form that is the original, long form birth certificate from HI? Plenty of people aren't buying this! If it was inconsequential why in the world didn't he present it like all other presidential candidates at the time he was announcing he was going to run for POTUS? It is unbelievable how this Liberal Press, Liberal Hollywood and even Fox News makes a big deal out of thousands who don't buy this man's legitimacy to be our President. The issue isn't where he was born, but is he a natural born citizen, and if his father were born in Kenya and a British subject at his birth, then he is NOT a natural born citizen and shouldn't have ever been allowed to run for President in the first place. I only hope that if such discrepancies and apparent coverups ever faces a Conservative candidate, then everyone will also be willing to turn a blind eye, but then, we know that will never happen. Look at Bush and his military record! This was proven lies, but Rather couldn't wait to announce it and make a huge deal out of the lie. The only good that came out of Rather Gate was that he was fired!
Nancy very good points! I personally think Obama fears Corsi's upcoming book & by this action is trying to discredit his book ahead of its distribution date.
Your obvious doubt is well placed.
This is the amended birth certificate, showing adoptive parents.
The original birth certificate, showing birth parents, has not been produced. I suspect it shows two U.S. citizen parents, but neither Negro, certainly not the birth father.
It will require an act of Congress to get the original birth certificate. A U.S. Houses investigative committee must subpoena Barry's vital records, including both the original birth certificate, a contemporaneous record of birth showing birth parents, and the amended birth certificate showing adoptive parents Stanley Ann Dunham and Obama the black Luo tribesman (no known relation to Obama the Great Pretender to the American black heritage and to the Office of President).
It took him 2 1/2 years to figure out what a distraction this is and what he needed to do to put a stop to it? Duh!
It took 21/2 years to figure out how he was going to produce something that looked real. Somebody needs to go to jail for not making him prove he was born here before letting him run for president. I thought we had laws. Looks like Washington only uses the laws they like. Shirley in Fl.
OK I never believed he was born in Kenya. Even if he was born in the USA…his mum was too young to transfer her citizenship which still makes him ineliglble. I want to see transcripts baby!
Excellent point made Dawn!
His mother was 18 at his birth. If he was born in the US there is no question to his citizenship… if born outside the US she would not have been able to pass on US citizenship for another year.
James what is in question here is Natural Born Citizenship! It requires two parents whom are citizens! Obama Sr. was a Kenyan National.
Re: "It requires two parents whom are citizens! "
Who told you that? It is WRONG. The reason that the US Congress voted to confirm Obama UNANIMOUSLY was that not one single member in 535 thought that Obama was either born outside of the USA or that the citizenship of Obama's father has any effect on Natural Born Citizen status. ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. The only kind of a US citizen who is not Natural Born is a naturalized citizen.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Why did Obama spend a whole lot of money, time and energy attempting to block the release of this document only to wake up today and decide to release it? There is more to this story. I think we need a CSI investigation. Are there any Woodward and Bernsteins out there anymore?
Considering that just yesterday, Carney emphatically stated that Hawaii does not
send out any more long forms to anybody, not matter who you are period. ??
sniff, sniff… tuna?, halibut?
So, they changed their mind and made an exception. Maybe they shouldn't have, but they did.
Google these words ( story showing obama 1/8 black)
Ellen odd that on Tuesday they insisted that it did not exist in Hawaii?
They never insisted that the original did not exist. NEVER. Two Republican officials said that it was in the files. Abercrombie said that it was in the files (WND said that he had said that he couldn't find it. But he didn't say it. He said just the reverse.)
What they said was that they did not give out the original anymore, and they didn't until they made this exception.
ellen you stated that THREE Republican "Officials" verified that it was in the paper
which was not a classified ad.
oh, my bad, looking at one of your comments in older articles you posted on,
they "confirmed" that it was in the paper.
I agree Scott & Gary the whole matter wreaks of some kind of wrong doing.
The copies he obtained cost him $14, but first he spent hundreds of thousands fighting the release. Doesn't sound like someone I want to be making financial decisions for our nation.
Actually, it only costs about $300 to file papers to get cases thrown out. And there was NEVER a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate.
Ellen attorneys cost money sweety! Get a brain! Oh i'm sorry botts do not have the ability to have a brain.
Say another $1,000 per case for the time of the attorneys, which wasn't much. It doesn't take much time to file boilerplate papers (the same in every case) asking the court to throw out the case. The important thing is that there WAS NEVER A LAWSUIT against Obama JUST for the birth certificate.
Ask yourself, if the original birth certificate was the key thing that birthers wanted. If it is the thing that you claim Obama had been hiding, why didn't the birthers bring a lawsuit just for it?
BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT OBAMA WOULD PROVIDE THE COURT WITH A COPY OF HIS OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE (the Certification of Live Birth) and the issue would be over. Since it is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year, any court would have accepted it.
So, the birther cases threw in demands for a lot of other things that they knew Obama was not going to provide, like his parents' marriage license, and his kindergarten records, and his high school records, and his college records. Obama had the cases that demanded a lot of documents thrown out, but he never had a lawsuit just for the birth certificate thrown out because there wasn't any.
There were multiple lawsuits, unfortunately none got off the ground because every court claimed the case was either without merit or that it was not the place of the court to verify the information.
And yes, you are correct, there was not a lawsuit for JUST the birth certificate because such a request has no legal question for the court to hear. A person must show standing, and indicate some legitimate purpose for the birth certificate, as was done by military personnel disputing orders of an illegal Commander in Chief, by voters who felt they had been victims of fraud, and others.
"if the original birth certificate was the key thing that birthers wanted. If it is the
thing that you claim Obama had been hiding, why didn't the birthers bring a
lawsuit just for it? "
http://philjberg.com/
(Hey, and it's at least ONE Democratic attorney!)
ITS A LITTLE LATE TO COMMENT BUT ELLEN HOW STUPID YOU ARE
"lawsuit….. just for his birth certificate"
What else?
The cases also asked for his parents' marriage license, his kindergarten records (a stupid request because they almost certainly do not exist anymore), his grade school, high school and college transcripts. They also usually demanded adoption records, which do not exist because he was not adopted.Rather than answer each point or search for records, or lower himself to showing his parents' marriage license (which he might not even have), he just had the cases thrown out.
Thanks, ellen!
Everyone is focused on the wrong point of his citizenship! They're only talking about part of it….so why is he still in the WH if clearly he isn't eligible???
Dawn & Steelman i am in hopes that you are correct.
According to Article 1 of the Constitution both parents have to be Citizens. On top of this, Indonesia didn't offer dual citizenship back then. If he wasn't scared, why won't his records just be released already? They made McCain show his, even though his dad was in the military when he was born on a military base in Panama…..why the hypocrisy in our own gov't? It makes me upset that I fight for the Constitution in the military and have to show my long form, marriage license, social security card, etc when I apply for jobs, yet he just gets away with it! His alliances alone should keep him from obtaining a TS security clearance. Mine is only a secret and it takes a LOT of $$ and background checks to get a TS. I am as shocked as you are!
"They made McCain show his"
No, "they" didn't–whoever "they" are.
James you know perfectly well that there was a out cry by Liberals for McCain to prove that he was in fact legitimate. Gee why do you even bother to post such trash?
You're lying again, Cougar. And aside from that, you've misunderstood the comment, as usual. The question was whether someone "made" someone show his BC–which, by the way, he didn't show to anyone other than a Washington Post reporter.
James do not twist my comment! I realize that your comprehension level is that of a 4th grader but seriously ! Read it again fool!
I don't need to twist anything to show what's clearly obvious to every other reader.
Not to any one but your botts or aliases in this site James!
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/d…
This doesn't look like a Washpo reporter: http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/h…
James Google these words ( story showing obama 1/8 black)
That is absolutely wrong. The Constitution says nothing about the nationality of the parents.
James sorry you are wrong!
Alexia- please cite the article and section of the Constitution or any other legislation that requires both parents to be citizens.
You can't do it because it does not exist.
DAWN I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT COVERED IN SECTION 1 ARTICLE 2
Re: "According to Article 1 of the Constitution both parents have to be Citizens."
There is not a word in Article I that mentions parents. The meaning of Natural Born in America (not Switerland) at the time that the Constitution was written referred only to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
A call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
And there isn't a word about parents in Article II either.
It hasn't been made clear. Obama has blocked access to all the records that could prove the matter one way or the other.
The release of the birth certificate helps, but at this point there are still a lot of other questions such as his travel to Pakistan and possible acceptance of student aid as a foreign student.
It is a birther myth that Pakistan did not allow US citizens to visit in 1981 or that the USA barred US citizens from visiting Pakistan. Neither is true.
The part about Obama accepting financial aid as a foreign student was also made up by birthers.
Wish on Ellen!
Both are true. Pakistan did allow US citizens to visit and Pakistan was not on any "no travel list."
And there is absolutely no evidence and only birther claims that Obama received financial aid as a foreign student.
James because he is a fake! That is why!
Obama's father was not a citizen of the United States. Therefore, Obama was not "natural born" and he is therefore not qualified to be our President. He is a fraud because as an attorney he has read the qualifications set forth by the U.S. Constitution. As regards the sudden disclosure of a "certificate of live birth" (thank you, Donald Trump) nobody honest spends millions of dollars hiding their birth certificate. This document too may prove to be fraudulent. Didn't his grandmother witness his birth in Africa?
Betty excellent points!
I THINK THEY HAVE CHECKED HIS DNA WHICH SAID HE IS ONLY 1/8 BLACK THAT BEING THE CASE OBUMMER SR. COULD HARDLY BE HIS REAL FATHER
"I THINK THEY HAVE CHECKED HIS DNA"
Who are "they" and why do you "think" it?
Lol! James most likely the Hawaiian Governor.
i read it in the news a few weeks back i can't remember where of hand
Yeah, sure. I'm guessing it wasn't CNN, or even Fox News.
Most likely on your blog James!
I'm glad you consider it to be so trustworthy, Cougar, but I doubt that I'd be contesting something I wrote. Try to keep up. Maybe if you thought more about the quality of your comments and less about the quantity, you'd actually look like you knew what you were talking about once in a while.
Absolutely wrong. If born in Hawaii then his father's nationality is not of significance. His mother was an American citizen and that is all that was required.
Many people seem to believe that both parents must be citizens but that is not true, and has NEVER been true.
I think you're wrong, but the original birth certificate will show two U.S. citizens as birth parents (neither of them Negro).
Welcome, constitutional eligibility at birth.
Welcome, fraud by claiming adoptive parents, one of them a black Luo tribesman, as birth parents. "Look at me! I be African American!" Not.
Contrary to popular belief, there is no requirement that both parents be US citizens and there never has been.
I challenge anyone to cite legislation that says otherwise.
JAMES YOU ARE CORRECT
James/James McPherson are you just really that stupid?
Maybe if you thought more about the quality of your comments and less about the quantity, Cougar, you'd actually look like you knew what you were talking about once in a while.
Who told you that the citizenship of the father affects Natural Born status? It is wrong.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Ellen this is ridiculous! The birth certificate is another fake! Nothing has been resolved! This just makes it even more difficult now for Obama.
This is the same document produced and posted online prior to the election. It is a COLB, it is NOT a LONG FORM birth certificate. The COLB, in 1961 had 5 different ways for someone to obtain one. This proves absolutely nothing. I have my long form birth certificate and it doesn't look anything like this. If you think back, Hawaii was not a state in 1961, it was a U.S. Possession. That means there were many different ways a relative could obtain a COLB. Look at the dates at the bottom right. Why is one dated Aug. 7, 1961 and another dated Aug. 8, 1961. Very suspicious!
U.S.Navy Chief Retired why not present your facts to Donald Trump on this BC issue?
To the best of my knowledge, Hawaii became a state in 1959. However Obama is still not qualified to be President, and neither of the children of illegal aliens.
"Hawaii became a state in 1959"
It's sad that a supposed "USNavyChiefRet" wouldn't know that–or think to look it up.
True James but that is such a minor error when his post is viewed in it's entirety. But we all know that when you have no issue to stand on you try to split hairs on other nonessential items in relation to the post.
It is not at all uncommon for a doctor to sign the certificate a day or two after the birth. The difference in dates on the certificate is not significant.
THE FACT THAT IT SAYS AFRICAN AND NOT NEGRO IS REAL SIGNIFICANT
No, it's not. His father was from Africa.
in 1961 it would have said NEGRO and not african
Re: "in 1961 it would have said NEGRO and not african "
Officials in Hawaii have repeatedly said that a person could and can describe their race anyway that they want. Exchange students from Africa in the 1960s commonly described their race as African.
Ellen that is exactly what Obama is a African!
James explain the certificate numbering sequence then?
They processed the birth certificates in batches, piles of documents, and the clerks took some and balanced the piles so that they would have equal work.
The key fact is that Obama was born IN HAWAII, as three Republican officials stated (when there was a CONSERVATIVE Republican attorney general who could have taken action against them if they were lying), and as the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers confirm.
All of the ways of obtaining a birth certificate (Certificate or Certification or Certificate of Hawaiian birth) except for a birth in a hospital and a birth at home with a doctor or midwife as witness required a delay or at least a month in registering the birth. There was no delay in Obama's registration. He was registered four days after his birth (three being that it was on a Friday evening, then the weekend). The notices in the newspapers indicate that there was no delay.
A relative could not have obtained a COLB or any other form of a Hawaiian birth certificate with the words: "location of birth: Honolulu" on it unless there was proof that the child was born in Honolulu. Both Obama's official BC and his long-form BC both list the location of birth as Honolulu, and that fact has been confirmed by THREE Republican officials. Then there were the notices in the newspapers–which were not ads, but were only the notices of birth sent out by the Hawaii government, which did not send out such notices for births outside of Hawaii.
And, IF a child were born in any other country than the USA, she or he would have needed either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother's US passport to get to the USA. No such document nor the application for such a document has been found for Obama.
ELLEN LET ME BE EXPLICIT YOU ARE FULL OF IT AND IT MEANS SOMETHING THAT STINKS
People will only believe birthers when they are polite, rational and discuss the facts.
You and other birthers clearly will never change their views, regardless of the facts. But, if there are any others who visit this site, the facts are likely to be important.
For them, it is important to know that the birther myth founders on the absurdity that there is no travel document for Obama in 1961. IF he were born in Kenya or any other country, he would have needed either a US visa or to be entered on his mother's US passport to get to the USA. And neither the documents themselves nor the application for them has been found. Surely the application for a US visa for Obama or to change his mother's passport would exist in Kenya or some other country if Obama were born there–but nothing has been found.
In addition to that fact, there are the notices in the Hawaii newspapers, which were not ads (Hawaii papers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961). They were only sent to the newspapers by the government of Hawaii. Could the government of Hawaii have been fooled by the parents or grandparents? No because when there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, it insisted on witness statements.
Finally, the facts on Obama's official and long-form birth certificates have been confirmed by three Republican officials in Hawaii.
Ellen same old same old from you! Get over it! It is but another fake!
Ellen sweetie this latest BC is a fake!
His own Grandmother said he was born in Africa and was there when he was born. Obama also applied for and received a college scholarship here in the United States that only foreign citizens are qualified to receive. Obama also spent millions of dollars to block access to his personal records. Why! I don't buy this story and I don't think we have heard the last of this saga.
Amen to that … not over till the fat lady sings … hmmmm and who might that be?
D.Craig Beardsley i agree something is just not right about this entire matter today.
Finally some sanity! And then B.O. had the audacity to say now it was time to get on to more important issues–as he and Michelle flew to Chicago to be interviewed by Oprah Winfrey.
HIs Kenyan grandmother never said any such thing. That is another birther lie, caused by cutting off the tape in the interview just before she was asked "Whereabouts was he born." She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Re: "received a college scholarship here in the United States that only foreign citizens are qualified to receive." Answer: Only birthers have made that claim, and there is not a shred of evidence that confirms it.
Re the million. That is also a birther myth. It only costs about $300 to file papers to have cases thrown out. And, there was NEVER a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate.
Lol! Ellen! It's another fake BC!
I got in a wrangle with a bunch of lefties about this earlier today. They are perfectly willing to give him a pass on this and call all of us morons and nutcases – they steadfastly refused to answer one question, though: why all of the money sent and time wasted?
Never got a civil answer from any of them. Just jeers and names…
Wonder why most of his speech was deflected onto other issues … he ignores the importance of the truth and why did he not EXPLAIN why he waited????? I smell a dead rat.
being a citizen of the USA requires not to be born in the USA but have BOTH PARENtS U.S .CITIZENS…like McCain.
I have the feeling that Ann (his Mother) was young and unmarried therefor she couldn't pass her own citizenship on to him and his "father" was from Kenya (then a U.K. sovering.) so neither pass anything to him… Don't forget that the Passport he used with is GARDED, his colleges and Universities diplomas( EDUCATON PAID BY US because he was a FOREINGH SUDENT) hehe ..not an American Student…there you go..HIMSELF passed for a foreigner..because he was and HE IS.
T R A I T O R..
His eyes looked dark and worried and Trump was gloating. I think the "thing" Trump may announce when his show is over may be the results of his investigators.
My Long form from 1953 is black with white print as are the Nordyke twins BCs born the day after Obama. Also, mine has my weight and length on the bottom. My husband and I both have hospital certificates with out footprints and the right and left thumbprints of our mothers..these documents have an official raised seal.
The form released today looked visually no different than the COLB…even the paper looked the same.
Buzz Kill & Rhea i think he should be ask those questions!
Re: "they steadfastly refused to answer one question, though: why all of the money sent and time wasted? "
It is easy to answer. ALL the estimates of money spent are BIRTHER estimates, made for the purpose of fooling people that there was a lot of money spent. The figures that are usually quoted are the TOTAL spent by the lawfirms on everything, meaning on all the time spent checking contracts for closing down offices, etc.
There was NEVER a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate. If there had been birthers ran the risk t hat Obama would have simply showed the court his official birth certificate from Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth, and the court would have accepted it. So, all the cases included demands for things that Obama would never have provided, such as his parents' marriage license, the place where he live while in college, his old passports, and his kindergarten records (which probably do not exist anymore).
Since Obama provided the official legal birth certificate of Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth, more than two years ago, no time was wasted–except the time of the birthers who claimed that it was not the official birth certificate, that it was forged, that the Republican officials in Hawaii were lying when they confirmed the facts on it, Etc.
And, by the way, their lies about the Kenyan grandmother having said that Obama was born in Kenya, when she actually said that he was born in Hawaii, was a big waste of time. Another huge waste of time was the ability of birthers to ignore such obvious facts as the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the fact that they were not ads (Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in those days) but were sent out by the government, and the fact that the government of Hawaii did not send out those notices for births outside of Hawaii, and could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home (in such cases, it insisted on witness statements).
Who was the doctor in charge at time of birth? Also who are the witnesses at the birth?
Are these people still alive?
Jim the Dr. is deceased & no witnesses are listed.
The doctor is not even listed. This is still just a certificate of live birth (probably forged) and not a long form birth certificate.
Thank you Jim. Is there no one in our government smart enough to even know what info is supposed to be on the long form certificate of birth-not just a certificate of live birth?
The information fields on Obama's long-form birth certificate are exactly the same as on those othe Nordyke twins.
was their information fille3de in with pencil also?
Yes. There are pencil marks on the Nordyke Twins' original birth certificates.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Notice the 2 written in in one box, and the 1s in other boxes.
I would be very interested in knowing whether the as yet unknown birth mother of Mr. Obama is alive. Not Stanley Ann Dunham, the adoptive mother (and paternal half sister). The real mother, who gave him life.
If she's deceased, I would very much like to know the precise date and circumstances of her demise, and whether she, too, like Stanley Ann Dunham and her mother Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham, was hastily cremated and her ashes cast into the sea.
Nope they are all dead. Jim Even if you don't believe this is the real one, the fight is over on this issue. We now know what hospital and whom the doctor was and the father did not sign anything, just his mother. His father whom ever it may really be is unimportant now and this piece of paper is what was ask for and he produced it. Case closed. Besides Barry has enough faults to discuss and research to insure he becomes a one term President.
Ireuel wrong! This BC has just begun to create even more questions.
Adam hopefully you are correct.
Lol! Good point Dr. Joe!
Now, just turn it over to our document checkers and they will find it was made last week! If he had a birth certificate, he would have turned it over months or years ago. Did you notice that Obama's father's race is still listed as African? Last time I checked African is not a race! A black man in the 60's was referred to as a Negro! This proves nothing but it should appease the easily duped that continue to support Obama!
True Farquart!
BINGO!
The documents obtained are photocopies of the original on file… so yes, they were made last week.
Fake also!
The officials in Hawaii, Republican officials, have repeatedly said that people are allowed to describe their race anyway that they want. African granduate students in the USA in the 1960s commonly described their race as African.
Ellen the sun will rise tomorrow & it will be a sunny day also! That is unless it is over cast!
I am a graphic designer and I have downloaded the document and opened it in Adobe Illustrator. It is CLEARLY a bad forgery. I'm sure they will go back and fix the document now that people are getting wise to it.
I have done the same and agree.
It's another photoshopped fake. Too sad even Fox news and potential GOP presidential candidates are buying into this fraud. If that's how "smart" they are, how can we trust them to run the country? I am outraged. Aren't there any honest, brave and SMART people out there? Wake up America. How long are we gonna allow ourselves to be duped?
Doesn't matter Nat, It will be accepted by all that it matters. The destruction of this country with debt is far more serious than any birth certificate. ^ dollars a gallon for gas and Barry snickers when he response that "There is no silver bullet for lower the price of gas" No he should of said yes I have a Silver Bullet and I ain't going to use it because I know what best for you stupid racist birther" Note Nat this is how Barry thinks and he laughing us all the way to a debt that is unmanageable and unpayable. He used the birther as a whipping post and a distraction to installed enough programs and regulation to turn us into a Government down program country.
Keep dreaming Ireuel!
Let me get this straight. This new certificate is STILL just a copy of a live birth certificate, not the original long form certificate we have been demanding for 21/2 years!
Regardless of where he was born. His mother was too young to give him U.S. citizenship and his father was a Kenyan and therefore a British citizen–making Obama, jr. a British citizen and NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS!
Wrong. If born in the US then his mother's age is not an issue and he is a natural born US citizen.
If born outside the US his mother's age is significant since she must have been a US resident for a total of 10 years, 5 of which must be after her 14th birthday… and she was a year short of that.
mom's age is only relevant to a birth OUTSIDE the US.
Heck, we have teen parents giving birth all the time and we don't question the citizenship of those children.
James alias McPherson give it a break! This is just silly on your part!
The latest "birth certificate" appears to be the amended birth certificate with "AMENDED" obscured by a fold in the paper at the top.
The original birth certificate showing birth parents has not been produced.
About the birth certificate, where is the seal on it?
Why doesn't he allow forensic check on what he "provided"?
Obviously, it is another forgery! (The first one he released was proven to be a forgery.)
Of course this self-appointed "little king" has more important matters to take care of..like rushing off to Chicago to be on the Ophra show..such arrogance and there they were laughing about it on Ophra..Americans are such fools,so stupid…Are we awake yet?..they were laughing at us..
"The President directed his counsel to review the legal authority for seeking access to the long form certificate and to request on that basis that the Hawaii State Department of Health make an exception to release a copy of his long form birth certificate."
Why would the Hawaii State Department of Health need to make an "exception"? Every time I have ever needed a copy of a birth certificate, all I had to do was request it and send whatever money the issuing agency required to make a copy. I am sure this is not the first time a replacement birth certificate has been issued and certainly won't be the last. Was there really an "exception" or is this just "spin" to cover up Obama's refusal to provide verification of his qualification to be president?
Hawaii enacted a law in 2001 that prohibits the release of certain private information, including birth certificates. This is the reason why they have alternate documents such as the one Obama initially provided. They made an exception to that law in order to release this document we are now seeing.
Lol! Sure they did James! Odd that on Tuesday they proclaimed that it was lost! But mysteriously on Wednesday it appears?
and cows fly and dump the b. s. in your back yard and you try to pass it on
The official birth certificate of Hawaii is the Certification of Live Birth, the one that Obama already released. The original birth certificate is no longer the official birth certificate, and in 2001 Hawaii adopted the policy of not sending it out anymore. Obama's lawyer asked Hawaii to make an exception. It is an exception because Hawaii DID not send out copies of the long-form to other people unless they demanded them by filing the equivalent of a Freedom of Information Act request (and in that case, the document would not be certified or printed on security paper).
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Thank you ,ellen, for your services up to this time.
Only if birthers believe the issue is resolved–and it's clear from the discussion that they don't. Sorry, Ireuel.
James this has just begun!
Certainly hope so. Congressional investigation of the Indonesian connection, even if it concludes Barry's U.S. citizenship survived Indonesian, would uncover a trash trove of corruption and sedition, possibly even evidence that Barry is an enemy agent. If he is a mole, the sooner we find it out the better.
Still only provides that he was born in Hawaii. if this document is real that is. But does not make him a natural born citizen. the constitution is clear on that requirement, which is what the real case and point are. i am a 22 yr veteran, i am not a college educated person, but i know what i read and the constitution states that BOTH parents must be citizens for a child to be natural born. this BC only proves the fact that Obama is native born. and that is not up for anyones interpretation of the Constitution its right there in writing from the 1790's. all the talk that the supreme court needs to decide as to who is a natural born citizen is crap. that has already been decided over 200 years ago
Are you saying that all of the Mexican babies born in this country aren't American citizens? News to me!
drb9 Do not get the Mexicans involved in this! Gee! Us use some common sense people!
That is a totally different issue.
Review case law in Elk v Wilkins.
For the same reason that Indians born in the US, whether on or off of reservations, were not American citizens due to their inherent allegiance to their tribes and the lack of a formal recognition by the US government via naturalization, neither are children of illegal immigrants citizens of the US.
Granted, these children have been deemed citizens by POLICY- the law is quite clear and defined, just not enforced for political purposes.
Another relevant case, US v Wong Kim Ark, was in regard to a Chinese immigrant born in California to Chinese immigrants- although those parents were legally present at the time. The difference in the circumstances with Wong Kim Ark do not void the rulings in Elk v Wilkins. The Elk ruling is still valid today and has not been compromised by any subsequent ruling or legislation- including the Citizenship Act which finally made Indians citizens in the 1920's.
In fact, even today Indians born in the US are not citizens of the US per the US Constitution, but rather by the Citizenship Act. No such legislation has been passed to legitimize the birth of children to illegal immigrants in the US.
James/Alias! Go find a life!
I don't know what country you are from, but I know the US Constitution says nothing about the nationality of the parents in regard to citizenship.
The true view is that both parents must be U.S. citizens for a child born in the U.S. to be a natural born U.S. citizen.
When all the facts are known, and it will probably require a congressional investigation, and the actual, real, true, honest-ta-gawd birth certificate is finally revealed, we will find that both of Barry's birth parents were U.S. citizens.
If the original birth certificate, the contemporaneous record of birth showing birth parents, were produced, it would show that both of Obama's birth parents were U.S. citizens. Barry doesn't want to produce it because neither birth parent was Negro, much less a black Luo tribesman. He fraudulently claimed his adoptive parents as birth parents so that he could pretend to be African American, dupe voters into voting for him on that basis, and denigrate opponents as racists.
There is no requirement in the Constitution or any other law for both parents to be US citizens in order for their child to be a natural born citizen.
James read it again!
He is right. The words in the Constitution say that the president must be a Natural Born Citizen, and the meaning of Natural Born in America (not Switizerland) at the time referred only to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth, not the parents.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
He is right.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
I have read it plenty of times. No such language exists in theConstitution- in fact, the word parent is not even in it. No other subsequent legislation makes such a requirement either. In facy, such legislation would likely cuase serious conflict with the 14th Amendment.
In fact, children born in the United States to foreign nationals can even be natural born US citizens. Review the US Supreme Court ruling in US v Wong Kim Ark.
Note that these were Chinese immigrants legally present in California at the time of the birth. illegal immigration presents a whole different issue.
Re: "The true view is that both parents must be U.S. citizens for a child born in the U.S. to be a natural born U.S. citizen. "
Who told you that? It is wrong. The reason that the US Congress voted to confirm Obamas' election UNANIMOUSLY is that not one single member in the 535 believed that Obama was either born outside of the US or that the citizenship of his father affects his Natural Born Citizen status.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Ellen you are nothing more than James McPherson's bott so just shut up! Same old lies from you!
Wake-Up Americans And All Others That Drink The Obamacare Kool-Aid Yikeess, Can You Believe That The Manchurian Muslim Pres Obama Will Rope-A-Dope Mr Donald Trump?? Maybe The American SLUGS Will Now Impeach This Phoney President. God Bless America And Donald Trump.
Phew! Now the President can move on and do REAL work! Hahahahaha! What a joker! He's gonna go on vacation again, or start another conspiracy theory about himself so we the people can be distracted forever! I wonder how many honest hours Obummer's put in? I mean, real work, aside from his golf game (that's really hard I hear….all 18 holes…and the beer and the caddy….it's REALLY hard work) and the executive signatures/orders he's issued!!!!! So far it appears to only be a month of real work…now that's fraud, waste, and abuse of we the people!
Yeah, this should prove how lazy he is. He doesn't want to wait and go thru the system and the
protocol of new legislation, just sign it, tee time.
People had abortions whether or not it's legal! I am against it because it's murder! So this isn't funny to me at all….
Are you serious? WOW! Well, I guess the CLB isn't the long form Mr. President! I am sorry you had to go thru that just for license and look, an illegal can be president!
In Hawaii, the short-form birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, is the OFFICIAL birth certificate. Thousands of people use it to get their drivers licenses and thousands more use it to get their US passports every year. The facts on Obama's birth certificates (the official one and now the original) have been confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
and you have been with all them to get passports. give us a short break from your b. s.
How about treason? Who cares about repaying loans? I want him out of office!
No the WH did not release a BC, it doesn't say BC on the top of the COLB they put out again. Apparently that mean old Hawaii under the direction of Pele' has said no mr…………..ahh president, you cannot have a copy of your ahhhhhh birth certificate, because we said so.
Now we all know how faithful BO aka the uncredentialed Mystery Man is to ignoring, using and picking out the laws he likes and rejects and apparently he likes this special one in Hawaii, denoted by Pele'..hell who wouldn't?
Just yesterday he was heard to say, them white folk ain't got no need to know……Anonnymous
The name on Obama's long-form birth certificate, Certificate of Live Birth, is exactly the same as on the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins.
Ellen it is a fake sweetie!
Why not discuss the facts? The fact is that the director of health of Hawaii has stated in writing that she personally copied the long-form birth certificate from the physical copy in the files.
she also said the files had been destroyed
No she did not. No official in Hawaii has ever said that Obama's birth certificate files or any birth certificate files were destroyed. And TWO Republican officials said in writing that they had seen the original birth certificate in Obama's official file and that it verifies that he was born in Hawaii.
Also, it should be obvious even to the dumbest birther that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother's US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found.
he has committed yet another crime-The biggest crime in the history of the United States of America! throw his ass in Gitmo,and anyone and everyone having knowledge of this conspiracy.
Many people still have reservations about Obama. It would not be beyond him to have falsified the birth document. He and his cohorts have had plenty of time. He has been secretive about most of his formative years and he certainly does not think like a true patriotic AMERICAN .My belief is that he is subversively smart and although things are not going well for the nation they are going just the way he wants them.
DOES ANY ONE THINK FOR ONE MINUTE IF HE WAS A PATRIOT THERE WOULD BE A HIGHLY DECORATED ARMY DOCTOR DOING TIME IN ELEVENWORTH
It is not beyond birthers to lie about birth certificates. And, in addition to the two birth certificates themselves, the facts on them were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii. And the birth in Hawaii was also confirmed by the notices in the newspapers (which were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in those days). They were notices sent out by the government of Hawaii to the papers for births IN Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii.
It is a fake Ellen!
ELLEN do everybody a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP
Why are you afraid of the facts?
The birth in Hawaii was also confirmed by the notices in the newspapers (which were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in those days). They were notices sent out by the government of Hawaii to the papers for births IN Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii.
LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN HIS DNA SHOWED HIM TO BE 1/8 BLACK THAT BEING THE CASE OBUMMER SR COULD NOT BE HIS FATHER
"HIS DNA SHOWED HIM TO BE 1/8 BLACK"
Really? And then it was mailed to you so you could share the info with the rest of the world?
James do you have information which will disprove Jim's post? I didn't think so!
So? He's the one making ridiculous claims, Cougar. But hey, if you have some evidence for his fantasy, I'm sure he'd be happy to have you share it.
James it is your responsibility to disprove not for my to provide proof! Just how much stupider can you get?
Smart enough to have made the point that you're a liar and that Jim is delusional. If either of you has prove to the contrary, feel free to provide it. Otherwise we'll just assume you can't.
James the issue is simple! Where is your proof to disprove Jim! What is so difficult for you to comprehend that?
Since we already know that that you're a liar, there's no need for me to waste time trying to prove a negative. After all, I can't "prove" that Bush wasn't behind the 9/11 attacks, either–cany you? But that would also be a fantastical claim. And since you have no proof to the contrary, we'll all just assume that–yet again–you can't.
James you are without proof as usual! Just the liar which i made you out to be!
Since we already know that that you're a liar, there's no need for me to waste time trying to prove a negative. After all, I can't "prove" that Bush wasn't behind the 9/11 attacks, either–cany you? But that would also be a fantastical claim. And since you have no proof to the contrary, we'll all just assume that–yet again–you can't.
Maybe if you thought more about the quality of your comments and less about the quantity, Cougar, you'd actually look like you knew what you were talking about once in a while.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MISSED THAT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ELSE
James Google these words ( story showing obama 1/8 black)
Just for entertainment purposes, I did so, Jim–I still see nothing about Obama's DNA. So how about a link?
James it is easy when one so chooses to overlook what is! Seriously you need a life other than your blog & simple minded comments on this site.
Obama's father was not a natural born citizen if the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president regardless of the birth certificate issue. Too many people focused on the wrong thing and now since he has shown "proof", they have to shut up and cannot change the reason they think he is ineligible without looking stupid.
His father's nationality is not relevant.
Obama's mother was a US citizen and if born in the US Obama would be a natural born citizen as a result.
Contrary to what appears to be a popular belief in these threads, there is no requirement that BOTH parents be US citizens. I challenge anyone to cite legislation that states otherwise.
Take a close look at this "new" birth certificate. 1. The hospital name is not what the hospital's actual name was in 1961. In fact the hospital did not get this name until 1978, before that it was Kapiolani Children's Hospital and that is the name that should be on the original. 2. They list his father's race as African. In 1961 this would not have been done. They listed the 3 recognized races as Caucasian (as his mother is listed), Negro or Negroid (any one who is black no matter where they were from), and Mongoloid (which was any other race, in particular Asian decent).
3. I was born 4 years before his given birthdate, my husband and one brother were 2 years before, and my youngest brother the same year as Obama but one month before. All of us have a raised state seal imbossed on our original birth certificates although we were all born in different states. The posted birth certificate and the one previously posted did not have an official state seal on it. Even if this were a copy of the original one the seal would show as a raised impression. There is none. The odd thing is the Kenyan birth certificate that has been posted for Obama has the official seal of Kenya on it.
4. If you look at the certificate there is shadows of writing on them, not typewritten writing but handwriting, such as letters and numbers as if someone was giving directions on what to put, or as if one copy were made over another birth certificate copy. There are other misprints that are not usual with official birth certificates. Even to this day when someone orders a birth certificate from that era it usually comes in black and white form, just as mine came when I ordered it for something my husband needed just a couple of years ago. In fact his from another state came in the same black and white form as mine the same year but from different states.
5. Even if they did not have a state seal back then for Hawaii being a fairly new state in the Union, to get an official copy now as it seems he did, it would bear the seal that Hawaii uses now, which the registrar who signed at the bottom should have imbossed on it near his name and in a copy that seal would show. Legally without this seal it is not official. I know because my husband adopted my youngest daughter just this past May and we had to make sure her's bore the official state seal of the state of her birth for it to be legal and official.
Personally, I smell a rat in the White House. Another question they have not answered is how he got a SSAN from a state he never lived in. Back during that time you did not get a SSAN at birth like now for kids. You got it when you got your first job at 16 or around that time. You got it in the state you were going to work in. He would have had a SSAN from Hawaii as that is where they list him living at the time he was around that age. Something isn't right with all of this, and Obama's response is really just adding more fuel to the bonfire of lies he has mounting up.
Yes, there was penciled writing on the Obama BC. But there was on the Nordyke twins BC too.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/looking-at…
Ellen it is a fake!
It's true as far as it goes, but it's an amended birth certificate showing adoptive parents.
Barry falsely claimed his adoptive parents as birth parents, so that he could pose as half-Negro.
He is probably half Caucasian, half native Hawai'ian.
Nothing wrong with either, but you shouldn't pretend you're something you're not in order to make a fraudulent racial appeal for votes.
You are making this up. Adoption in Hawaii requires action by a district court, and no such document has been found. There was no adoption in Indonesia, as the Indonesian government would tell you.
Besides the notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which were issued by the government. They were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did not run birth notice ads in those days), show that there was a BIRTH to Obama's parents, not an adoption.
No it isn't. The director of health of Hawaii stated that she personally had it copied from the paper original. This is in addition to the THREE Republican officials who confirmed the facts on the short-form birth certificate, two of whom stated that they had seen the original in the files and that it VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.
This is in addition to the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, which were not ads (Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961). They were only official birth notice sent out by the government of Hawaii, which did not send them for births outside of Hawaii and which could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth outside of a hospital because in those cases it demanded witness statements.
Obama has offered an amended birth certificate showing adoptive parents.
It can be disproved by genetic analysis.
Genetic analysis of Obama's DNA will show it's biologically impossible for him to have a Negro father and a Caucasian mother. Moreover, the analysis will show the haplogroups of the true birth father and mother, respectively, in the original birth certificate to be consistent with the known genetic lineage of each of the recorded birth parents. As I've often suggested, Stanley Armour Dunham probably had Barry out of wedlock, probably by a medical procedure designed to maximize the probability of a male child. Could it be, Barry's real father was a turkey baster?
It has recently been suggested, in an apparent effort at damage control by an Obama operative, that Mr. Obama's official autobiography differs from Hawai'ian records. "I think people believe there's been some kind of cover-up. And I don't think it's some big nefarious conspiracy. I think it's politics as usual," Tim Adams said March 31 on Reality Check Radio, an Internet program on BlogTalkRadio.
"Barack Obama's official autobiography was put out to the public for the public's consumption and we all know politicians – they have a public persona, it's created for consumption by the electorate – and I think that they've been caught fibbing, and it's embarrassing."
But Adams, who described himself as "pretty much a liberal" who backed Hillary Clinton in the campaign, thinks the president should produce a long-form birth certificate if he has one, even if it contains information that does not go along with the narrative proffered so far by Obama and his surrogates. See http://www.westernjournalism.com/hawaii-elections….
The question asks itself: What makes Mr. Adams raise the possibility that Mr. Obama was "fibbing" in his official autobiography, and what moves him to recommend disclosure of the long-form birth certificate even if it contains "information that does not go along with the narrative proffered so far by Obama and his surrogates"?
Is it possible that Mr. Obama had no Negro parent, but inherited his warm mahogany complexion from, say, a native Hawai'ian wahine?
This might have something to do with Governor Abercrombie's request that Dr. Neal Palafox resign as Health Director, a very short time after appointing him ,http://www.wisepolitics.com/neal-palafox-hawaii-g….
Perhaps Mr. Obama's vital records were accessed without authority on the good doctor's watch. Governor Abercrombie has no comment. Dr. Palafox and Governor Abercrombie should be subpoenaed to testify under oath, subject to their rights against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Lo and behold, Obama's next proffered "birth certificate", successor to the certification of life birth so often brandished and posted in gold in the heavens as Barry's "birth certificate", has the same parents as the certification of live birth and the official biography. That's because they were taken from the amended birth certificate, which Obama has now finally supplied. The original birth certificate, the contemporaneous record of birth showing birth parents, which the People have been demanding these many months, does not, as Mr. Adams suggested, go along with Obama's fictitious official biography, by which he pretended to be the son of a black Luo tribesman and valiant communist.
The Birth Cert is a fraud. It's all Bull Sh&t. Another lie from the liar.
None of us fringe radicals believe anything nigabama has to say or produce.
Someone in Congress needs to find some nuts and challenge this usurper. I want to see obama swing on a rope. Along with his buddy soros. Then we can hunt down all the other scum-bag commies and either deport them all to Gitmo or hang 'em.
You're spot on, but the House Republican leadership will have to be replaced to carry the fight to Obama with impeachment hearings, which would include investigation of eligibility not only at birth but thereafter.
Not a single committee head has called for an investigation because they believe the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii (the short-form) and the original birth certificate (the long form) and the confirmation of the three officials in Hawaii, and the birth notices in the newspapers, and the absence of a 1061 US visa or visa application or entry on Obama's mother's passport or the application to enter Obama on his mother's passport.
That should read 1961.
He's Still ineligible- his father was a british citizen (the constitution states that it takes 2 U. S. parents that were born in the U.S. for him to be a Natural Born Citizen. Besides that his father having been born in Kenya makes obama jr. have dual allegiance! NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is the Magic Phrase here! and dual alliegance!
The Constitution does not state that- in fact it makes no reference whatsoever to the nationality of the parents.
Hawai'i's vital records will have to be subpoenaed to find Barry's true birth parents. Probably they were both U.S. citizens, father Caucasian and mother native Hawai'ian.
Nobody will ever know for sure unless Congress subpoenas the vital records – Barry's original birth certificate and his amended birth certificate.
If I could get a sample of Barry's DNA, however, I'm confident his claimed parents, and with them his latest "birth certificate", will be disproved.
Each Secretary of State pf the several states should demand DNA from candidates to confirm – or disprove – proffered birth certificates.
You have the right to call and write your congressman and senators and the heads of all the Congressional committees, and they will laugh at you.
A character named Tim Adams tried to minimize the seriousness of Barry’s official autobiography being inconsistent with Hawai’ian records showing that Barry’s birth parents were not Negro. Probably the father was Caucasian and the mother Polynesian. Adams said that the Dreams from My Father hoax, claiming adoptive parents as Barry’s birth parents, was “politics as usual”.
Isn't the Obama cabal afraid that whoever got a picture of Barry's vital records, including the original birth certificate, will put the lie to Barry's latest version of the "birth certificate"?
Well, my conjecture is that Mr. Adams's "politics as usual" in a government of gangsters worked out like this: whoever got pictures of Barry's "vital records", including both the original birth certificate and the amended birth certificate, the latter showing it was amended, was rewarded handsomely for it by the Obama cabal, possibly through Governor Abercrombie, in return for a solemn promise never to divulge the contents in consideration of a solemn promise to behead the poor wretch if they were divulged and exposed the hoax of Obama claiming a birth father and racial heritage that were not his. Nothing wrong with having a black father, as the election returns show, but it’s fraudulent to claim it falsely to dupe people into voting for you and assuming all opponents were racists.
The original birth certificate will show Barry's actual birth parents were both U.S. citizens, neither Negro, verifiable by genetic analysis.
This latest “birth certificate” is another trick. This time Barry is trying to foist off on us a partial copy of the amended birth certificate, showing adoptive parents Stanley Ann Dunham and Obama the alien black Luo tribesman as parents, to continue to perpetrate and perpetuate the lie that Barry had a Negro father. The original birth certificate, showing actual DNA-verifiable birth parents, has not been produced.
"Don't get fooled again, don't get fooled again." Have a congressional committee investigate Obama's eligibility, electoral fraud by theft of racial identity and other means, corrupt and seditious deals to conceal his Indonesian citizenship, and espionage, starting with subpoenae of Barry's vital records and DNA, which the RINO House leadership has unforgivably failed and refused to do.
Elijah E. Cummings, black Congressman from Maryland and minority leader of House Oversight, might like to know whether Obama is eligible, black (in the general sense of African), owes true faith and allegiance to the United States, or none of the foregoing. For counsel to the investigative committee I suggest Vernon Eulion Jordan, Jr., Esq., former Chicago bus driver, distinguished maitre’ de of Longden Dining Hall at DePauw University (“Hey Vern, looka’ this brass shaving in the sump pump pudding!” “Whadda ya think this is, the Waldorf Astoria?”) published author, big-time lawyer and Democratic Party leader. Oh, yeh, Vernon’s black, too. Wouldn't this be a nice touch?
Adams, like the guy who claims to have gone to Kenya and came back with a "birth certificate" that was shown to have been forged (and who never even showed that he had gone to Kenya), is a liar.
And Adams is not a liberal. He is a white supremacist http://mediamatters.org/blog/201006140017
And Adams never had access to the birth certificate files. No one in the Elections Commission did. http://kaystreet.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/honolul….
Not only the two birth certificates and the officials in Hawaii (three Republican officials) say that the facts are accurate, but the notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which were not ads but were sent out by the government of Hawaii in 1961) say that Obamas' father was Obama senior.
I don't have much technological sophistication, but the picture I've seen looks like the amended birth certificate, which shows adoptive parents, folded at the top to obscure the word "AMENDED".
The original birth certificate, the contemporaneous record of birth showing the names of actual birth parents, has not been produced. I would expect it to show Stanley Armour Dunham, a Caucasian, as birth father and an as yet unknown Polynesian wahine as birth mother.
It is just as important to produce an original birth certificate showing constitutional eligibility at birth as it would be to produce one proving ineligibility. This is especially true when it also proves election fraud by showing Barry's claim of a Negro father was a hoax.
A congressional investigation is long overdue. In addition to confirming constitutional eligibility at birth and election fraud by theft of racial identity, Congress must determine whether Barry acquired Indonesian citizenship, the effect of that citizenship on his U.S.citizenship, what if any corrupt and seditious bargains he made to conceal Indonesian citizenship, and his true allegiance, for I suspect he has been a Comintern agent since adolescence.
Not true. Regardless of his father's nationality, his mother was an American citizen. If the birth occurred in Hawaii then Obama is a natural born US citizen. Had he been born outside the US his mother was too young to pass on US citizenship and Obama would have inherited his father's nationality.
James you are no more intelligent that Ellen the bott!
The original birth certificate showing birth parents has not been produced.
What was produced was the amended birth certificate showing adoptive parents.
Obama the Luo was not Barry's birth father.
When all the facts are out, we will find there are not so many legal issues to debate. An exhaustive congressional inquiry, starting with a subpoena of Hawai'i's vital records of Barry, is urgently required.
still not a natural born citizen, that requires both parents be citizens, Barry only half there. native born maybe but not natural born, the supreme court ruled on the definition of natural born in 1971, it confirmed the original 1790 definition of both parents being citizens to be natural born. so if this colb is real, all it does is confirm that Barry is a fraud
There is no requirement for both parents to be citizens- that is misinformation.
I have a strong hunch this document is a newly generated forgery. Aside from the timing of its release, one detail strikes me as odd. Mr. Obama senior's race is given as "African." In 1961 the term "African American" had not yet come into use to describe a person's race. I suspect that in 1961 the word used on a birth certificate would have been "Negro," just as the term used to describe Stanley Ann Dunham's race is "Caucasian," not "American."
I for one would like to compare this document with a bonafide Hawaiian birth certificate issued in 1961 for another black or mixed-raced child.
It says African because he was from Africa.
James why does your bc not say Bi or Gay on it?
A. Because I'm neither.
B. Because no birth certificate does.
C. Because that would be impossible to tell at birth in any case.
By the way, how is that relevant to anything? Just how dumb are you, Cougar?
Kapiâolani Medical Center for Women & Children was not named as such untill 1978. Before that it was named Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. Give me a break. How stupid does he think the American peaople are.
GOOGLE it. Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children. click About Kapiolani .
The name on Obama's birth certificate, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, was exactly the same as on the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Jackass-in-chief, why is your NEW birth certificate numbered higher than the twin girls who were born AFTER YOU?????? Your boys drawing up this FAKE made a few mistakes. Chicago hoods are not know for their SMARTS !
Answer: They were processed in batches.
ellen lets try something else why is he using a s.s.no that was issued in 1898 to someone else, why has he used several different ss nos along with address he was never at ? an if you answer those there is a bunch more unanswered questions
yes dumb ass ellen and did you happen to notice the b. c. gave obama sr. birth place as kenya when kenya did not exist until 1963. lets see how you spin that one
If you open that PDF in an pdf editor (not reader) as I have there are many strange layers and what appear to be areas erased and retyped. Also some of these layers don't match the background.
As stated on another site:
"Congratulations.
You’ve figured out what the “recognize text” function in acrobat does to a pdf."
I should reference the site, of course: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/looking-at….
Yes James/Ellen reference for us!
I want to see the 'original' birth certificate, not an updated certification of the first certification. He must think people are stupid and will accept this new and shoddy version without question.
The original birth certificate that Obama has shown is the original. They simply printed it on security paper and added the stamp of the official who certified it.
Ellen it is just another fake!
ellen check the birth place of obummer's father on the new one they put out you wonder how he could be born in kenya in 1961 when kenya didn't exist until 1963
You should check. The long-form certificate says "Kenya, West Africa." That is a geographic area, not a country.
The name of the hospital shown on the birth certificate of the Nordyke Twins, born the same day as Obama, is exactly the same as on Obama's long-form birth certificate. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Wrong Ellen! The twins were born one day latter than Obama was! Lol! Maybe you can explain how their birth certificate numbering is lower than Obama's?
The claim that he received financial aid as a foreign student was made up by birthers. There is not a shred of evidence for it.
And as Obama has sealed all his records, Ellen, you have not a shred of evidence that he DIDN'T use his status as a foreign student to obtain funds! Are we to join you in thinking that, because Obama is God-like, he need not explain to ordinary mortals how he obtained the money to live on while he was an alleged student for so many years?
His records are not sealed. They are private. But the claim that he received aid as a foreign student comes ONLY from birthers.
Sarah Palin received aid as a foreign student.
Mitt Romney received aid as a foreign student.
George Bush received aid as a foreign student.
Re: "how he obtained the money to live on while he was an alleged student for so many years? "
Answer: Academic scholarships and work scholarships.
Ellen! Accept it! Obama is a fake!
There is absolutely no evidence that the birth certificate was Amended, which requires an entry on line 23 "evidence for late filing or alteration". And amended birth certificates must clearly state that it is amended, and Obama's doesn't. For either the long-form or the previously released COLB to have been amended and not to state it would have been a violation of Hawaii law, and until December the attorney general of Hawaaii was a CONSERVATIVE Republican, who would have taken action against such a violation.
This is an original birth certificate. However, the reason that Obama did not show it earlier was that the official birth certificate of Hawaii was legal proof of birth in Hawaii, especially with the confirmation of three Republican officials. Now Obama has decided to go a step further and show the original birth certificate, though it was not necessary.
Getting back to the crazy theory that Obama was adopted. The notices in the Hawaii newspapers ten days after Obama was born indicated a birth, not an adoption.
ELLEN you just keep on insisting on showing everybody how stupid you are. you can stop now we all figured that out on your second blog
You get evidence by exhaustive official investigations that subpoena it.
You have every right to ask your Congressman and Senators to conduct an investigation, and you can ask the heads of all the relevant House and Senate committees. And they will laugh at you.
I will believe it when B.O. allows experienced document examiners to examine the original in its binder and compare it to the others nearby, including comparing the paper stocks and security markings and testing the ink and paper stock (which can indicate dating).
One anomaly leaps out: BO's race is listed as "African." Terms like "Afro-American:" to refer to blacks did not come in until long after 1961; until then they were "Negro" or "colored," certainly in official documents like birth certificates as well as polite speech. As a former immigration lawyer, I have examined many U.S. birth certificates. I've never seen one listing race as "African," especially that long ago. "African" isn't a race. The usage would have been "Negro" or "colored" .
I hope some experienced document examiners will start digging into this purported birth certificate, even if the original is barred to them. Suppose a dozen blacks born in Hawaii around that time produce birth certificates listing them as Negro…..?
In the 1960s exchange students from Africa usually described their race as African. In Hawaii you were allowed to enter you race anyway that you wanted.
Obama's Hawaii birth certificate was issued in 1961. It was not a recent forgery added to the old files. That is easy to prove because of the notices in the Hawaii newspapers. They came ONLY from the government in Hawaii. They were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did not take birth notice ads in 1961. Okay. So the next question is, could the government in Hawaii have been fooled into issuing a birth certificate with the words "location of birth: Honolulu" on it by the parents or grandparents despite his being born somewhere else? And the answer is, that deception would have been nearly impossible because when there were claims of birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii required witness statements.
Re: African.
The officials in Hawaii (Republican officials) have repeatedly said that persons could and still can describe their race any way that they want to. It was normal for African exchange students in the 1960s to describe their race as African, not negro.
I TOLD YOU ELLEN THINKS WE ARE ALL STUPID
Hi Ellen hows it going? bet you are busy as a bee. Although I do believe it is a hornet nest that has just been reliese. I believe, but it ain't over, cause we just a bunch of racist out here and if you don't like his performance, policies or his laughing when talking about the price to fill a tank just to get to work and having to cut money from something else in life to just get to work and fill that tank again than that just what we are. Not me I have done well and twice this week paid for a perfect strangers gas when I saw and poor mother with some kids in the car and you can just see the look on their faces when pumping just 20 dollars and only getting 4 and half gallons. I fill them both all the way up and you see Government does not need to take care of all we Americans are the most charitable people on the earth and when Government starts another program to help those poor people they only manage to get about 10 percent down to them. So you just keep up your defense of a hollow shell of a person that is only in it for himself. Do have a nice day.
This birth certificate has raised as many questions as before!
Just to name a couple!
1. How can Obama have a higher certificate number than the Nordyke twins whom were born a day later
2. Why was his race not listed as Negro which was typical & routine
HIgher number: They processed them in batches, stacks of papers.
Race: Hawaii allows and has long allowed persons to describe their race any way that they want. It was normal for African exchange students in the 1960s to describe their race as African.
Ellen stop the nonsense! Obama Sr. was a Kenyan National!
So?
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Ellen get real! It is a fake!
Sure it is. Birthers will be claiming that it is a fake forever. But it isn't, the Director of Health of Hawaii confirmed that the copy from the original paper document was made and that it was accurate. That is in addition to the THREE Republican officials who confirmed the facts on the birth certificate and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, and the absence of either a US visa or Obama being entered on his mother's US passport, either of which would have had to have been applied for in a foreign country IF Obama had been born abroad, and the document or the application for it (or more likely both) would still exist, and no such document has been found.
Ellen he is a fake!
Why not discuss the facts?
that's what she is doing you ought to try it sometimes
Ellen it is fake!
Lol! Thanks James Ellen!
Jeze, ellen why don't you refer us to the
bushwasintheworldtradecenterandblewituphimself website that all them sane
liberals use to prove to the rest of the birther nuts that no planes even flew over
NY and no planes flew into the Pentagon on 9/11
My reading of Adams is that he is an Obama cabal operative who has been used to spread confusion and disinformation, and was used to try to minimize damage when it was feared the vital records had been leaked.
Exhaustive official investigations are needed to find the facts and take appropriate official action such as impeachment.
Then you shouldn have not trouble linking just ONE credible one that comes from a news source and not a birther site, right?
A certificate of live birth, is not a Birth Certificate. I AM AMAZED THAT ANYONE WOULD FALL FOR THIS SHAM. COMRADE OBAMA IS, AS ALAN KEYES SAID, ," A RADICAL COMMUNIST WHO WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA"
In 1961 Hawaii called its birth certificate a certificate of live birth. That is exactly the same title for the document as on the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins.
i think his was called a certification of live birth check it out
Obama has now released both the Certificate of Live Birth, the long-form original birth certificate, and the Certification of Live Birth, the short-form official birth certificate. Both say that he was born in Hawaii, which has been confirmed repeatedly by three Republican officials in Hawaii and by the notices of his birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (which were not ads; Hawaii newspapers did not run birth notice ads in those days). The newspapers only printed the official notices sent to them by the government of Hawaii, which did not send them out for births outside of Hawaii.
Not computer batches. Batches of documents. Piles of documents, which clerks may have taken from the top or from the bottom and split among themselves so that they got the same amount of work.
The key point is that there was a birth certificate issued for Obama. We know not only becausse THREE Republican officials (and now various Democrats too) have stated it but because the notices in the newspapers came from the government of Hawaii. The newspapers did not run birth notice ads in those days. And the government of Hawaii did not send out those notices unless it had issued a birth certificate, and it did not issue birth certificates to persons born outside of Hawaii in those days. And it could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it required witness statements.
More unicorn food for ellen:
http://www.thepostemail.com/wp-content/uploads/20…
Ok, ellen, I told you before that all he has to do is say "but I'm the President" and they'd bow
and have it in a Spokane second.
Check the third page (page THREE, just like your number of "Republican Officials")
and then check the fourth page (would you say "FOUR"?) http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss…
Was that so hard to get Loretta to do this? http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss…
See, he could've done that 2 (TWO!) years ago and settled the issue then instead of being
busy with important things like Executive Order 13489
Gotta love the fact that while the southern states are getting sacked with tornados and over
200 dead already (which I really do feel bad about, btw) , he has finally put the silliness
aside and can now make the ever important Oprah appearance and NYC fundraiser.
Oh, and he get's to go watch the space shuttle that he is defunding and maybe perhaps, ask
Gabriel Giffords if she got a good reminder on how to be a good little supporter of his illegal
immigration policies?
Oh well, no shuttle launch today and he actually stopped by the tornado struck areas!
BTW, everybody may want to save copies of both of these documents on their
drives/usb sticks/etc. before they replace it and remove the layering which has
just been easily reaveled with Adobe Illustrator. (If they haven't already done so?)
Correspondence:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss…
Long form: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss…
BTW, everybody may want to save copies of both of these documents on their
drives/usb sticks/etc. before they replace it and remove the layering which has
just been easily reaveled with Adobe Illustrator. (If they haven't already done so?)
Correspondence:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss…
Long form:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss…
Take any physical document, scan it, put it into Adobe, open it with Adobe Illustrator, and you will get layers.
I'll try that next week. At home tonight.
MORE B.S. ELLEN
MORE B. S. ELLEN
Hey ellen,
Scanned my BC and a few co-workers scanned theirs as well. Also played around with
some other ones and unmasked in Illustrator.
Guess what?
How many and which ones were layered?
Why not discuss the facts?
Alexia- the reason you do not cite the Constitution or any other legislation that requires both parents to be citizens is because it does not exist.
Well, there's that and the fact that s/he couldn't find it even if it were there.
I am curious about that raised left edge… looks awfully suspicious.
Ellen, has this great news made your life easier? Can you finally sigh at last
"Phew! he finally released it and now I can take a break"?
How's them typing hands doing?
Absurd? Adoption is impossible?
No, dear, you're absurd from being wholly irrational.
Get the facts, Demand official investigations to compel testimony under oath, subpoena all of Hawai'i's vital records of Obama, including his original birth certificate showing his actual birth parents. Subpoena his DNA, If it's inconsistent with Negro father and Caucasian mother, the proffered "birth certificate" can't be his birth certificate, contemporaneous record of birth showing birth parents. It would have to be somebody else's birth certificate, or, more likely, his amended birth certificate on the occasion of his adoption, showing adoptive parents. Don't be a moron. Think.
I'll say it again. I want to see the "original" in black and white form. I'm sure Barack must have a copy of it in his possession. I know, I have mine. Why display a copy when he can produce the original and put this thing to rest. And to top it Barack's daddy was a born in Kenya, therefore making Barack ineligible for the presidency. A natural born citizen is when both parents are born in the United States. Wake up people!! How can you be so blind and in denial?
there are several reasons he would need to keep his b.c. with him to have it when he needed to show it. no one he probably needed it to get a drivers license to name just one of many. but he dared not show that one to get in the w. h.
Jennie- it is not required that both parents be citizens in order for a child to be a natural born citizen. There is no such requirement in any citizenship legislation.
By the way, Donald Trump's mother was born in Scotland.
dommy did you happen to notice on the new b. c. the w. h. put out wed. obummer's father's birth place listed as k?enya on a 1961 b. c. when kenya didn't exist until 1963. probably just a misprint wouldn't you say?
The long-form says "Kenya, West Africa" which is not a country, it is a geographic area.
Did she become a U.S. citizen?
Many people lose their original birth certificates. It is rare for people who have their original birth certificates to apply again to get one. We know that Obama did apply in 2007 to get his birth certificate from Hawaii. We know that Hawaii sent him the certification of live birth. This means that it is very unlikely that Obama had not lost his original birth certificate. Now Obama had Hawaii copy the original from the files (apparently a book of physical copies). The officials in Hawaii have certified that they made the copy, and that it was the one that was published.
Re: "A natural born citizen is when both parents are born in the United States."
Who told you that? It is WRONG.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
no it is not ellen just another one of your suppositions with out proof the disproof is right before yours and everybody Else's eyes
Attention ALL who are CONCERNED about obama's birth certificate!!!
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!!!
The Conclusive Definition Of "Natural-Born Citizen"
Natural-born citizens of the United States are those who are citizens of the United States from birth without having to perform any act to acquire or perfect their American citizenship. These are those whose parents are citizens of the United States at the time of their birth.
Natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens and naturalized citizens, are those born in the United States of parents who are citizens.
The Senate defined “natural born Citizen” in 2008, and Obama didn’t qualify
DEMOCRAT SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY AND OTHERS “RESOLVED” THAT IT TOOK TWO CITIZEN PARENTS TO BE A “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
On April 30, 2008 Senate Resolution 511 resolved that John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
obama, himself admitted publicly that his father was Kenyan and a British Subject, never a citizen of ths US. By this admission he has stated openly that under OUR CONSTITUTION, he is NOT QUALIFIED to be POTUS!!! For anyone to think or believe otherwise that, by the definition of "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" as described above, obama is still our rightful President and that OUR CONSTITUTION can be made to mean what ever you want it to mean are DEAD WRONG!!! OUR CONSTITUTION is NOT a "Living Document" to be changed at will to meet with whatever reason you might have in mind. The Constitution IS THE LAW OF THE LAND, saying what it means and meaning what it says. Unchangeable except by Amendment. The above definitions of "Natural Born Citizen" are just a few of the MANY I found while reserching this. obama IS NOT QUALIFIED to be POTUS!!! PERIOD!!! I don't care if he was born in Lincoln's bed in the White House, he IS NOT A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN"!!! NOT QUALIFIED!!! If you and other like minded FOOLS wish to keep on thinking that obama is "QUALIFIED" to be and is our president than I want you to get a copy of OUR CONSTITUTION, and flush it down the toilet because that IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH IT if this is what you want to keep on beilieving. If this is your choice than YOU are also a DIRECT PARTISIPENT in the destructive path We The People and this Country are rappidly going down!!!
obama is “native born”, NOT “NATURAL BORN”, NOT QUALIFIED!!!!!!! he IS a USURPER and MUST BE REMOVED NOW before it is too late to recover!!!!
RufusT1951
Re Natural Born requiring two citizen parents. Who told you that? It is wrong.
The Americans (not Swiss) who wrote the US Constitution always used the term Natural Born to refer to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth. They never used it to refer to the parents.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Re Natural Born requiring two citizen parents. Who told you that? It is wrong.
The Americans (not Swiss) who wrote the US Constitution always used the term Natural Born to refer to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth. They never used it to refer to the parents.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d