Everyone in America now understands Barack Obama tarried for more than two years in releasing his birth certificate publicly – a document absolutely essential to determining his constitutional eligibility for office.
During that two-year period, the national press offered excuse after excuse for Obama’s reticence.
They claimed variously:
that it was unnecessary;
that he was obviously qualified for office;that he couldn’t get his birth certificate;
that the certification of live birth he had previously released was the only document necessary for proof and the only one available to people born in Hawaii;
that it was racist to ask for him to release any more documentation to prove his eligibility.
When the pressure from a skeptical citizenry and the imminent release of a No. 1 best-selling book promised to bring the controversy of Obama’s eligibility to critical mass, he was forced to release what he claimed was his legitimate long-form birth certificate – or, at least, a digital image of it.
The national press was quick to hail that document as the real deal – of course, without any efforts at verification. In fact, the national press, sans WND, chose to ignore a new raging controversy over the legitimacy of that document. To date, only one independent document expert has been quoted by the media suggesting it is authentic – and he claims to have been misquoted entirely.
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When are we going to be told the TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA'S "REAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE? When he leaves the White House? Talk about "locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen"! We don't care if he's a product of Malcolm X ! Just tell us the truth now! Inquiring minds want to know!
It doesn't take much intelligence to clearly see that he (BO) is an imposter and is the "puppet" of the REAL world leaders. All that is necessary is to follow the money trail. Who is financially influencing the lame stream media?? You know, the "media" that didn't/wouldn't investigate his eligibility as a candidate and still won't even NOW!! Who paid for Barry's high priced education?? Where are his school records? (if in fact he did actually attend a University in this country) Who paid for his world travels when he allegedly didn't have the price of a cheap hotel room in his pocket? And, by the way, what Passport did he use at that time? What happened to his and his wife's law licenses? Why is he doing everything in his huge power to destroy the economy of this country? Why is he alienating most of our allies and catering to our enemies? Why does he so obviously hate this country? Who is pulling his strings? Only a fool would think he's "not" a Muslim at least in his heart. Yeah, I know he "says" he's a Christian but he's got a really strange way of showing it. Even in his book he stated he would go "with" the Muslims if an ugly political wind blew. (close to that anyway) He is more dangerous to this country than all our past enemies combined because he's destroying us from within the Whitehouse while we, the masses just let him do it. Why doesn't the Republican Congress members scream and holler at his antics? NO, I mean REALLY make a fuss!! Could it be that they aren't much different in their goals for this country or are they threatened by BO's thugs? Some of you may think I"m a whacko but isn't that exactly what most pundits of this administration are called. I once took an oath to uphold and support the Constitution. What ever happened to that concept? I for one still believe in it and if it were to be followed to the letter of the law we wouldn't be in this mess.
valvue most of what you have said has real merit!
Agreed, if Malcom X his daddy and that's only thing being hidden, just reveal it and it
would be over with. At least it would finally put to rest the suspicion that he's from Kenya.
IF Malcolm X was his father, it would not say on Obama's birth certificate. The name of the father on his birth certificate has been shown to be Barack Senior. Two Republican officials in Hawaii stated that they saw the long-form BC in the files. If the name of the father was Malcolm X, they surely would have told us. And, of course, the clerk who filled in the form for the COLB used the name of the father from the document in the files, and the name that she or he filled in was Barack Senior.
As for the claim that Malcolm X was the genetic father, well that can hardly be proven one way or the other without DNA testing, which is hardly likely.
Ellen / James McPherson's alias!
That is the question! Who is Obama's real father? Who is Obama? Where did he come from? Where did he go to college if at all? Just far too many unanswered questions.
The fact that you ask questions as if they had not already been answered does not mean that they have not been already answered.
Who was Sarah Palin's real father? Where did Rick Santorum come from? Where did Bachmann go to college?
Obama's legal father was Obama senior. HIs DNA father we will not know without DNA testing, but then there should be DNA tests for Romney, Palin, Bachmann and all the others as well.
Obama attended Occidental and Columbia, as their alumni magazines show.
James if you wish to debate me on this subject of Obama then accept my challenge to do so! If not please shut up! But i know you won't!
I am not James. I accept your challenge.
Then us get it on! Refer to my post on Wed. 6/29 under Adobe Expert & respond! I am so going to kick your butt James!
I understand Obama is a criminal from his 27th April action. What is there not to understand about Obama. Is the entire United States Dumbed down to his level?
Dear Mr. Farah,
I would like to see a new campaign on billboards saying:
WHERE´S THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
Let's see your passport to Pakistan…Anybody who would believe that Obama would spend somewhere around $2 Million avoiding examinations of his past, then pop out with a phony? There's a penalty for that also, but nobody will do a damned thing…..and it is so frustrating…Not the FBI, not the CIA,. Maybe we should ask the Girl Scouts…they'd do a better job.
No president has ever shown his passport, and the idea that this one should just because birthers claim that you could not go to Pakistan in 1981 using an ordinary US passport (when you could), is laughable.
The $2 million figure is a birther myth.
Ellen/James McPherson's alias!
Just cut & paste! Geez what a fool you are!
All you do is call names. And by the way, I am not James.
This is factual, Ellen is not James. Unless James can write in 2 separate types of narrative. Even then the writer would slip once in a while two the other. No Ellen is not James. No wait I think I got it maybe Alexia is James now that would be really bizarre now wouldn't it.
Your welcome, sorry I have nothing to write about in the Passport area today, working to many hours and don't feel like reading and researching this week.
Maybe something tomorrow. Cause I really am interested in Barry's past. He seem to just slide right in out of nowhere and took Hillary out, that was amazing I must admit. I was ready to vote for her before John Mac. He is a nice guy and has been a good Senator but he is old school. We need some fresh ideas in Washington, that is for sure. I have seen Barry's and his are not any different, The same old Tax/Revenue and spend. Republicans got nothing new either, I say clean both house and the White of all that are up this time. That is Fair both parties would get the message.
Congratulations on discussing the issues.
The above refers to iruel's comment.
James you have no issues! No facts! No brains!
Cut the bs James!
Alexia, Ellen has provide much more proof than you ever have, I do not support Barry, but being rude is not going to win any discussion. You on the internet do some research and bring it back with you. Name calling is just a childish, Wait maybe thats it your are a child still living in the parents house. Yeah that's it. Just write rude things to get attention.
Boring.
ireuel proof? What proof? More lies than facts! I deal in the real world ireuel & refuse to be made a fool of as you are being made a fool of by James McPherson & his alias Ellen.Being rude? Just in case you have not noticed since you have been on this site for such a short time that James McPherson & his alias Ellen are rude to many people on this site. Do some research? Do you know what that even means? Evidently you do not or you would not be buying into James McPherson's lies & his phony alias Ellen. Name calling is childish? Sorry big boy but when some one else started the fight(James McPherson) do not expect be to back down. You are the one being childish to insinuate such when you have no idea of the history between James McPherson & me. Further your condescending comments i do not take lightly from one who is so naive. Possibly you are just a old man who lives with one of his children who has nothing better to do but get online to pass the time by trying to feel important again? Yeah that must be it! Just get online & write dumb things which he has no knowledge of but pretends to? Who is gullible & truly thinks Ellen is for real? Thinking that maybe if he comes to Ellen's defense that he might could possibly rate with her? The only thing boring is your being so gullible! I suggest for your benefit to read my recent post on the Democratic Parties new online misinformation program!
Get educated ireuel so you can not be taken advantage of! If not then just go & get a room with James McPherson/alias Ellen.
I never call names.
No James you just lie by hiding behind the alias Ellen!
ireuel sweetie it is provided & not provide.
You so got me wrong, and your comment does not deserve a comment but, you are Wrong Wrong Wrong. I do not live in my children's house and work 60 hours a week. I come here during breaks and while eating my lunch.
PS your research is weak and is only repeat from other birther site and none of what you have written is factual.
As for this;
Ask yourself why have James/alias Ellen not accepted my challenge to debate over the legitimacy of Obama?
What? Ellen post more points that you really never have respond with anything that what I have seen that is fact, just regurgitated birth sites myth.
Want to debate? Bring it on because even Ellen will agree with me that I do research ask questions and except the reality when I have concluded.
So you criticize me using a incorrect word out of place. So &$@*$*&g what.
Lol! Ireuel you are beginning to sound more & more like James McPherson or his alias Ellen! Ellen's points are bogus & i have many times on this site exposed them as being so only for her/him to continue to cut & paste them. i suggest that you need to get better educated on the facts before you give out your assumptions.Ireuel trust me you do not want to debate me! It would only result in total embarrassment for you even with your research, questions,realty & sad conclusions which you come to.
Also! it is "accept the reality" not except the reality.
Then why are you commenting ireuel if my comment does not deserve a comment?
Show proof James! You can't!
We know enough that we have a forger and identity thief in the White House. The bigger problem is that Congress seems to be allowing this fraud to continue and that may be the worse thing. If any Congress person will not publicly renounce this traitor and ask for an investigation by the House then they are also traitors and must be removed from office. Where are the presidential candidates running for office on this also? Are there any candidates loyal to the constitution because if they don't expose Obama they cannot be. They are afraid of the socialistic news media which they count on for coverage of their political race I guess. Where are the bold Americans,the brave and the Free????
I know Trump gave it a good shot but no one else???
The false Messiah Obama will be exposed in time & when he is exposed he will go down in history shamefully noted for the fake of which he is.
What if 2+3 really equals six?
It is the FACTs on the birth certificate that count, and they have been repeatedly confirmed by three Republican officials in Hawaii.
Birthers who are asking "what if the birth certificate is a phoney?" are not even talking about the birth certificate. They are discussing the PDF image of the birth certificate. Birther sites did not even ask to see one of the two OFFICIAL copies of the birth certificate, which were made by photocopying the original onto security paper. Sure, PDF has its problems. PDF's problems are well known. But the birth certificate is not in PDF; it is on paper. When the short-form BC was shown, Obama's team allowed anyone who asked for it to see a copy. In this case neither WND nor any other birther site has asked to see a physical copy. Why not? Because if they took it to a respected document expert, the chance of that expert saying that it had been forged is nil. Instead, WND and other birther sites prefer to speculate about an image, and image in the PDF format.
It is the facts that count. Here are some:
Dozens of senators and congressmen have sent letters saying that Obama was born in Hawaii and none is calling for an investigation of his place of birth. All eight declared Republican presidential candidates say that Obama was born in Hawaii. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly call birthers crazy. Why? Because is the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is overwhelming.
1. Obama has now shown both his short-form and long-form birth certificates, which THREE Republican officials in Hawaii have stated are accurate regarding the place of birth.
2. There were notices of birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.
3. IF a child is born outside of the USA, the US insists on either a US visa on a foreign passport or the child being entered on his mother's US passport before being allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama in 1961–PARTICULARLY if the birth was in Kenya–it would have been filed away, and the application for it would have been filed away–and the document itself or the application for it would have been found long ago.
4. WND reported that the US Immigration and Naturalization Service checked on Obama's place of birth TWICE, with five years between the two checks, and each time it concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii. WND then asked how the INS concluded that fact. The answer to that question is obvious. What does the INS normally do to check the place of birth? It asks for the birth certificate. So the US government, the US INS, in the 1960s and 1970s asked to see Obama's birth certificate, saw it, and concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Is that all you got, repeat lying talking points over and over? Please list the senators and congressmen letters and who to? Oh, there aren't any? All eight republican candidate, please list, we only had one presidential candidate, ODUMBO has now shown fake copies of a short form and long form, nothing conforming or close to officials Hawaii birth ceritificates. Newspaper notices mean absolutely NOTHING, they can be put in by phone from anywhere. Great for you to report gibberish again, keep the propaganda slogans coming anyway. Quote lies enough, someone is convinced, right? Not until TRUE FACTS are presented.
azwayne Ellen is none other than a alias for James McPherson who uses cut & paste constantly.
Re: "Please list the senators and congressmen letters:"
Here are some of the senators and congressmen who wrote, as quoted on WND's site. This may be a partial list, since WND said "among the statements."
"Among the statements from members of Congress that have appeared:"
Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.: "Thank you for your recent e-mail. Senator Obama meets the constitutional requirements for presidential office. Rumors pertaining to his citizenship status have been circulating on the Internet, and this information has been debunked by Snopes.com, which investigates the truth behind Internet rumors."
Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla.: "Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice – first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party's nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history. And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama's birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of president."
Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio: "President Obama has provided several news organizations with a copy of his birth certificate, showing he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Hawaii became a state in 1959, and all individuals born in Hawaii after its admission are considered natural-born United States citizens. In addition, the Hawaii State Health Department recently issued a public statement verifying the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate."
U.S. Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, R-Fla.: "The claim that Barack Obama is not a citizen of the U.S. is false. This rumor is simply election year politics." She referred questioners to Snopes for documentation.
Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.: "The courts have held that President Obama is a natural-born American citizen. Moreover, in December 2008, the Supreme Court declined to hear a lawsuit challenging Mr. Obama's eligibility to serve as president, concurring with three other federal courts in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Washington. The courts have confirmed the determination of state officials in Hawaii that health department records prove that Barack Obama was born a U.S. citizen in Honolulu."
Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga.: "President Obama demonstrated his citizenship during his campaign by circulating copies of his birth certificate, which showed he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."
Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pa.: "I am confident that Mr. Obama meets all the constitutional requirements to be our 44th president. Mr. Obama has posted a copy of his birth certificate on his campaign website and submitted an additional copy to the independent website FactCheck.org. The birth certificate demonstrates that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1961, thereby making him a natural-born citizen eligible to be president."
Continued:
AND:
U.S. Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif.: "As you know, some questions were raised about whether President Obama is a natural born citizen. There was a recent lawsuit arguing that he is not eligible for the Presidency for this reason. I understand that the Supreme Court considered hearing this lawsuit, but it ultimately turned down the request to have the case considered before the full court. I further understand that the director of Hawaii's Department of Health recently confirmed that President Obama was born in Honolulu and has personally verified that her agency has his original birth certificate on record. As you know, the U.S. Congress certified his election on January 8, and he was sworn into office on January 20, 2009. While I may disagree with President Obama on a multitude of issues, he has been elected as President of the United States through a fair process and has shown sufficient documentation, via a state birth certificate, that has been verified as being authentic. In short, therefore, I do not believe sufficient evidence was brought to light to conclude that President Obama was ineligible for the office."
U.S. Rep. Paul Hodes, D-N.H.: "President Obama publicly posted his birth certificate on his campaign website which confirms that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. This birth certificate confirms that President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, above the age of 35, and is therefore qualified to be President of the United States of America. If you would like to view President Obama's birth certificate, I encourage you to go to the website http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertifi…
Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, "The Constitution and federal law require that, among other things, only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both American citizens) may be President of the United States. In President Obama's case, some individuals have filed lawsuits in state and federal courts alleging that he has not proven that he is an American citizen, but each of those lawsuits have been dismissed. This includes a recent decision by the United States Supreme Court to not review an "application for emergency stay" filed by a New Jersey resident claiming that the President is not a natural born citizen because his father was born in Kenya. Furthermore, both the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health and the state's Registrar of Vital Statistics recently confirmed that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and, as such, meets the constitutional citizenship requirements for the presidency. If contrary documentation is produced and verified, this matter will necessarily be resolved by the judicial branch of our government under the Constitution."
Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa.: "On June 13, 2008, the Obama campaign released a copy of his birth certificate after numerous claims were made about his eligibility to hold the office of President. The released copy created additional questions, because it contained a blacked out department file number and was apparently missing a seal, and it was impossible to detect raised text, a common characteristic of official documents. There were satisfactory answers to such questions, however: the department file number had been blacked out to prevent hackers from breaking into the Health Department's system, and the State places the seal on the back of the certificate. The website Factcheck.org investigated the matter and provided high-resolution photos taken at multiple angles that revealed the raised text and the seal on the back of the document. … Accordingly, it has been concluded that President Obama has met the constitutional qualifications to be President of the United States."
U.S. Rep Vic Snyder, D-Ark.: "According to State of Hawai'i officials, the Hawai'i State Department of Health has President-elect Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with that state's policies and procedures.
In addition to the above. WND reported:
The latest such claims come from the office of Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., who said in an email to a constituent that Obama's status as a "'natural born' citizen of America" had been "verified" by not only federal agencies but also "primary source documentation."
Re the eight Republican candidates:
Mitt Romney
Tim Pawlenty
Newt Gingrich
Michele Bachmann
Jon Huntsman
Ron Paul
Rick Santorum
and
Herman Cain
I do not understand your point about "We only had one presidential candidate."
Re: "Newspaper notices mean absolutely NOTHING, they can be put in by phone from anywhere. "
In Hawaii in 1961 that was not the case. The Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice advertising, nor did they take their notices from individuals. They only took their notices from the Hawaii government, which sent out official birth notices to the newspapers (notice that they all have exactly the same format). And the government of Hawaii did not send out the notices for births outside of Hawaii. The notices were only sent out when the Hawaii DOH issued a birth certificate for the child.
Birthers sometimes respond to this with the allegation that the DOH could have been fooled by Obama's relatives calling in or walking in with the claim that Obama was born at home (even though, they say that that was a lie). But even that would not have been possible because in case where there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii required a witness statement.
In addition, we know from the former governor of Hawaii, and this witness, that Obama's long-form birth certificate is accurate, and that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital.
Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
In addition to that there is the WND research that the the US Immigration and Naturalization Service checked on Obama's place of birth TWICE, with five years between the two checks, and each time it concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii. And, she said in another interview (with the Hartford Courant newspaper) that the first that her family in Kenya heard of Obama's birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII.
If you really believe that Ellen why are you so worried about it? Would you spend that much effort to convince me that there's no Santa Claus?
I post because this site is lying. It irritates me to see such lies, and besides someone MIGHT believe them. An armed nut who believes these lies is dangerous. You are welcome to believe that there is a Santa Cause and that there is a tooth fairy. These are charming and harmless myths.
I might start believing ellen
I do not post for you. I post for anyone who visits this site who MIGHT believe the birther lies. That person deserves to see the facts.
ELLEN / JAMES McPHERSON ALIAS!
I BELIEVE THE CORRECT COMMENT IS CUT & PASTE!
Nevertheless, they are the facts.
James cut the bs! Ellen is just a wannabee dream of yours! Fake just as you are! Few facts! Mostly lies!
James you do get paid!
Gary this would be wise. This issue is closed in most discussions. Barry has a 2 and half year work record for the first time in his life and it is not good, that is the ticket to make him a one term President. Wasting time on if it is areal document or not is fruitless and is only wasted brain cells.
Barry is lying and more people are dying. The amount in Iraq is going back up and he is losing all three wars he is handling. Them are the facts.
Note Alexia: I did not put a space in between a (and) real above, just thought if you are grading my papers here is a given.
ireuel
"Those are the facts" not " Them are the facts.
Maybe 4 wars soon.
James you are such a sick liar! Really!
Oh know Santa Clause and the tooth fairy are not real. That just ruin my whole day. :-0
Ellen, I ;ll tell you why you are wrong, Obamas grandmother said he was born in Kenya and there is a monument dedicated to the fact that Obama was (Kenya) native born and there are missionaries who say that the Obama clan claim that he (Obama )was born in Kenya….Besides IF O was in fact born in Hawaii, then why didn't he just put this thing to rest a long time ago and shut people up. Human nature would have caused Obama to show the cert and say"See I told you so"!!! But he did NOT and he was NOT born in Hawaii. His moher tried to get to hawaii but was NOT allowed to fly due to her state of P.G. So….Obama is Illegal and that is that!!!
(1) Obama's grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She sadi repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in HAWAII, and she said in another interview (with the Hartford Courant newspaper) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII.
(2) Monument. Answer. There is NO monument. Are you making this stuff up?
(3) Missionaries. Answer. There are no missionaries. Are you making this stuiff up.
(4) Obama DID put this thing to rest a long time ago by showing the official long form birth certificate of Hawaii, which THREE Republican officials confirmed was accurate. The fact that birther sites continue to lie about it is the only cause that the issue continues. And they do lie. They lied about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said. Some birthers even forged "Kenyan birth certificates." Others forged videos in which Obama was alleged to have sadi that he was born in Kenya. Still others claimed that the three Republican officials did not confirm Obama's birth in Hawaii.
Still others claim that there was a way around the Obama birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers. They claim that they could have been ads (Not true. Hawaii newspapers did not take birth notice ads in 1961. They only took the birth notices from the Hawaii government), Or they claim that the relatives of Obama could have lied about his place of birth and fooled the officials in Hawaii (Not true. Whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, they insisted on witness statements.)
In short, there is not a particle of proof that Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside of Hawaii. (A child born outside the USA does need either a US visa or to be entered on his mother's US passport you know. And that document or the application for it would still exist, and if there were one for Obama, it would have been found long ago.)
Re: "His mother ried to get to hawaii but was NOT allowed to fly due to her state of P.G."
Answer: That also is a birther creation, a birther lie. There is no evidence for it at all. In fact, there is no evidence that she arrived in Kenya. And the idea that she could have afforded that expensive trip, and would have taken it late in pregnancy if she had that kind of money, is also laughable.
James this is very much so a cut & paste comment with recycled comments of yours thrown in.
Just more of James cut & paste crap! Nothing new!
Nice. So you won't debate Cougar/Alexia? ROTFLMAO<<<
It seem I have become a target of he/she now. I even get long responses than you and James. They are longer but they have no supporting factual information included in them.
Ireuel i do not think you will laugh your ass off very much longer after i have totally embarrassed you & made you into the uneducated red neck which you really are.
Please do not make incorrect statements as to how long my responses are to you.
The fact is that you do not warrant that much of my time. My trying to inform you of the facts have only proven how truly incompetent you really are. You would not know what is factual because you have such a low comprehension level!
"It seems" not "It seem!
"longer responses" not "long responses!
James the he/she thing is exclusively a comment of yours!
Ellen…..would you perchance like to purchase a raffle ticket on a John Deere tractor? You'd have a good chance of winning.
I hope you're paid well for putting together this dribble for whoever your boss is, but at night, do you cry a little or laugh at what chumps the right
wing is? If you have no soul, you laugh, but if you're a church goer, a Christian, then shame, shame on you…you cannot believe what you write.
By the way, this same diatribe has shown up on other sites, and a Republican told me it was true, so I guess I'm not allowed any questions.
CalBob this is nothing more than a well orchestrated plan by The Democrats & their Online Misinformation Program.
There is a DIFFERENCE between disagreeing with a person's policies and claiming that he was not born in the USA. Try to grasp the difference. If you say, "Obama is a bad president," that is your opinion and I would fight to the death for your right to express it. If you say, "Obama was born in Kenya," it is a lie, and I will show the facts that prove that it is a lie.
Barry? or Paul Ludwig? or Harrison Bounel? lied and people died.
Those are NOT FACTS. Those are the agreed to STORY they are telling. You are only reporting agreements. 2 years of bullshit. Then the Gov. of Hawaii says NO BIRTH CERT. on file. 3 weeks later it mysteriously shows…but instead of a scan of his longform, we get one that has a dozen layers all put together to MIMIC a B CERT. Joe Corsi found people who were born the SAME DAY as obama before and after his birth and the texts don't match AT ALL with obama's but match eachother exactly. We smell smoke, Ellen, and we are looking for the cause of it to protect teh USA. We all smell the smoke.
Steven they are going to cover for this fake Messiah Obama to a point of war. I agree we all smell the smoke but i believe this is going to turn into a blaze soon!
Re: "Then the Gov. of Hawaii says NO BIRTH CERT. on file. "
Answer. He never said it. He never said anything like it. And two Republican officials stated that they saw the original birth certificate in the file.
Re Layers: They are normal in PDF, and as I said before, the PDF copy IS NOT the birth certificate. It is only a sloppy copy of the birth certificate. The legal copy of the birth certificate is on PAPER, and it was not copied from the files using PDF. It was photocopied onto security paper. Neither WND nor any other birther site has asked to see one of the two legal copies of Obama's long form birth certificate. Wonder why not?
James McPherson & his alias Ellen!
Same old talking points by you! Have you nothing new to say? I guess not!
There is nothing new in the lie that Obama was born outside of the USA either. The facts are that he was born in the USA, in Hawaii, and that his been confirmed repeatedly by the officials in Hawaii, the notices in the newspapers, the check on Obama's place of birth by the INS (twice, both time concluding in Hawaii) and the absence of any travel document or application for a travel document for Obama in 1961. And Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii, and in another interview she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Even if the BC is real he's still not qualfied because his father held duel citizenshiip to two countries .Is that not TRUE?
Re dual citizenship. No, his father only had one citizenship, British at the time Obama was born. It was Obama who had dual citizenship at birth and until the age of 18 (I think).
It has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. In fact, Thomas Jefferson actually was a dual citizen at the time that he was president, having been made a full voting (and the right to serve in government) citizen of France by the French assembly during the French Revolution.
OBOT ellen, YOU doth protest TOO much!
It is always useful to cite the facts and to discuss them. It is the birther sites with their lies that lie too much.
James! Ellen your alias!
You would not know a fact if it bit you in your ass! Dumb ass is what you are!
All that you can do is call names. The facts are that Obama was born in Hawaii and three Republican officials have confirmed that fact.
If you say: "That is not true," I will show where and when they said it, and their exact words.
Their silence screams 'YES'…..Is this abetting??? There should be penalties from Judge Roberts, to Biden, to Pelosi….all the way down…including Fox News….they're all complicit if they don't speak out.
CalBob's comment is a fine example of why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy. (I know, you think that Fox News is part of the plot. Well, that is crazy too.)
James this is but a typical response by you! How foolish you look! Who really cares what you, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly or Fox News thinks? In my opinion all are nuts & you included.
Every person of any importance, power or position, is completely afraid to do a damn thing about the "trator" that has been elected as President. This man should have been charged with "treason" months ago, but everyone is afraid to do it as he is "black" or "half black" which ever you prefer, and if anyone with the guts to stand up a show exactly what this is, they will be called a racist, hate monger and what ever "politically correct" name, and be totally ridiculed! So don't count on the media, Congress, Senate, House or any of those gutless wonders to stand up and demand the truth. Obama is a manufactured Puppet for the World Bankers, and we THE PEOPLE are letting them destroy this country!! It is up to the "commoners" to stand up and literally file charges in their local courts against this tyranny that is being forced on us. If there are enough filings, something wiil happen to expose this man for what he is! I have filed in our local District Court–cost $52.00, hearing is to be held in August. So it is up to the people to stop this BEFORE 2012 elections!!!!!
They are not afraid. They have looked at the facts, and realized that the facts show that Obama was born in Hawaii.
The reason that dozens of senators and congressmen have sent letters saying that Obama was born in Hawaii and none is calling for an investigation of his place of birth, and the reason that all eight declared Republican presidential candidates say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the reason that Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly call birthers crazy is that the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is overwhelming.
1. Obama has now shown both his short-form and long-form birth certificates, which THREE Republican officials in Hawaii have stated are accurate regarding the place of birth.
2. There were notices of birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.
3. IF a child is born outside of the USA, the US insists on either a US visa on a foreign passport or the child being entered on his mother's US passport before being allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama in 1961–PARTICULARLY if the birth was in Kenya–it would have been filed away, and the application for it would have been filed away–and the document itself or the application for it would have been found long ago.
4. WND reported that the US Immigration and Naturalization Service checked on Obama's place of birth TWICE, with five years between the two checks, and each time it concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii. WND then asked how the INS concluded that fact. The answer to that question is obvious. What does the INS normally do to check the place of birth? It asks for the birth certificate. So the US government, the US INS, in the 1960s and 1970s asked to see Obama's birth certificate, saw it, and concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii.
More damned cut & paste from The Cut & Paste Queen James McPherson & his alias Ellen.
We are all growing tired of this b.s. James!
I notice that you have not tried to answer, you just call names. It is easy to call names, but these are still the facts.
James go way back & you will see where i have totally destroyed you on all issues but as usual you keep this bs up of cut & paste! Cut & paste! Why should i repeatedly try to get through to a fool like you?
How can anything so openly unlawful, illegal, and fraudulent like his fake papers and Connecticut soc. sec. card go on and on like this. Screw the damn liberal progressive media for mis-reporting and the daily lies they tell, where is the damn JUSTICE Department, oh, yeah, Eric Holder, but what about the FBI or CIA when we have and ILLEGAL in Chief? Literally, but aside from that where is Boehner on the mattter?? PLAYING DAMN GOLF WITH HIM. Where is the outcry of FOUL and STENCH of what's going on in OUR damn White House of the People? The dems blame us and we blame them but between BOTH OF THEM we are trillions in debt, businesses choking on regulation, new products can't get to market, jobs going overseas, job creators are PUNISHED for creating business…thanks to the liberals, thanks to the conservatives, thanks to BOTH of them. Pisses me off.
He has 2 SS #'s One is from Conn. & he never lived there
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_S…
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-mi…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-5…
Can you say Paul Ludwig?
Cut & Paste! Nothing new! James you are pathetic with your alias Ellen!
Just more cut & paste by The Cut & Paste queen James McPherson!
wrong!
More cut & paste!
THERE ARE ABOUT TWENTY SOME NUMBERS THAT HE HAS USED THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_S…. http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-mi…. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-5….
Wrong! As usual you have your facts wrong! Good try though! James i assume your computer gave you this response? Oh i forgot James you are going by Ellen today.
You can cry "wrong" all that you want to, but those are the facts.
He has 2 SS#'s. One from Conn. but never lived there.
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_S…
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-mi…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-5…
I AM SURE THAT YOUR FAMILY IS ALSO SAYING (HOW IN THE WORLD DID WE WIND UP WITH A IDIOT IN THE FAMILY?
All you ever do is call names.
Because Jim is right! You are a idiot!
Take a look at a numeric keypad, which SSA uses.
Gary:
It is just as much a data entry error to misread 0 as 9 or 9 as 0 as to hit the wrong key. It could have been either hitting the wrong key or misreading the numeral. In any case, the similarity of all but one digits in the Hawaii zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. , 06814, is obvious.
Paul Ludwig.
Died in Hawii, R.I.P.
Ellen: Knowing you are the representative from the left, I address this to you.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE HOSPITAL NAMED ON THE PHONY 'COLB' WAS NOT IN EXISTENCE UNTIL 1978??? 3 REPUBLICANS TOLD ME SO, BUT I LOOKED IT UP ANYWAY……YOU'RE EITHER PART OF MEDIA MATTERS, OR WORSE FOR YOUR ANALYSIS OF EVENTS..
I HOPE 'HE' PARDONS YOU, EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE.
Hawaii birth certificate only proves that Obama has no right to be in the office of President. His father was never a USA citizen! End of argument. The birth Certificate proves it ever if it is fake.
Re: "WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE HOSPITAL NAMED ON THE PHONY 'COLB' WAS NOT IN EXISTENCE UNTIL 1978??? "
You should be embarrassed to repeat that stupid story. IT IS NOT TRUE.
Here are the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins on WND's web site. The Nordyke Twins were born one day after Obama in the same hospital. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292457
And:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Now, look at the name of the hospital on the birth certificates of the Nordkye twins. You will see that it says "Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital." And, what was the name of the hospital on Obama's long-form birth certificate? Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital (http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/113207051-e1303920915143.jpg)
Aren't you embarassed?
Re: "His father was never a USA citizen! End of argument…"
The fact that his father was never a US citizen was well known. Birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes because of it. Not one did. Birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the US Congress to vote not to confirm Obama's election because of it, but the Congress voted to confirm Obama UNANIMOUSLY (including Rep. Ron Paul), all 535 members.
That is because the citizenship of a father, or even of two parents, has no effect whatsoever on the Natural Born Citizen status of a US-born citizen. The original meaning of Natural Born referred to citizenship due to the place of birth. There was no mention of parents in that definition. And no writer of the Constitution ever used the term Natural Born to refer to parents, nor did any other American leader at the time. Vattel, a Swiss philosopher, was not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers, while the common law was mentioned about twenty times.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
ELLEN YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE KNOWS WHO HIS FATHER IS AND ITS A PRETTY SAFE BET HIS MOTHER DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE FATHER WAS
I've read recently that the Supreme Court is very angry with the The Executive Branch and they are building their case against O and his thugs. Kennedy ( ? ) has agreed not to retire until after O is out of the White House. They have been angry since his State of the Union Address when be berated them. The article I read said the 1 major offence would be Eric Holder not prosecuting the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation in Philly.
I also fear the inner cities would explode this summer if he was thrown out of office and into prison. Rep. Allen West could be the man to bring this out in the light, at least it would be less racial.
Also, a boss fired an employee and he played the race card and the boss said no I'm not firing you because your black. I hired you because your black, I'm firing you because you are incompetent.
Let's band together and vote him out. He's the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. I'm not a racist, I campaigned hard to get Allen West elected.
Where's spell check when you need it?
Maybe the Supreme Court is angry, but it is not going to rule against the common definition of Natural Born Citizen that is well expressed by Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan's attorney general:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
James McPherson & Ellen his alias side kick!
Accept the facts! You are a fake! Obama is a fake! His birth certificate is fake! your all just a bunch of fakes! Hardly any use in arguing with you because you lie!
The United Staes of America is sleeping at the switch with Political Correctness gone amuck!! We are setting a very poor example for the next Presidential Election!! I thought we were a Nation of Laws? Wake up America!!!
There is no what if about it
I teach Adobe products
the document presented is COUNTERFEIT…CREATED IN A COMPUTER TO LOOK AUTHENTIC..IT IS A LIE.
Dream on.
barry, barry, barry
a.k.a
harrison j. bounel
No Ellen/James McPherson you had better start wishing for some kind of miracle for your Messiah Obama!
Think, you'll slide by, huh, ellen.
I've already told you about our experiment a couple times, ellen.
We tried it all with our own personal docs and we do not get same results and artifacts
that barry's form has. We tried repeatedly and got consistant results every time. His is
a very oddball scan if it were not fabricated.
That just so much sounds so exactly like something McPherson would say.
So?
Lmao! I love it! So? One of McPherson's vintage answers.
Because it is McPherson Gary!
I am not McPherson.
Gary Ellen is James & it would not surprise me if ireuel proves out to be just another alias as well.
The male parent's name on a birth certificate is not PROOF that he is the biological father. That only means the male parent is taking responsibility for that child. I'm living proof of that fact! Malcolm X was a married man with a family and in his business could little afford a scandal. The pictures provided on the web of the "alleged" biological father were three in number. The one closest in likeness was Malcolm X. I'll go to my grave saying Obama Senior was NOT the biological father!!!!! As for Mr. Davis, it's very doubtful due the lack of facial likeness. As I compared Obama's and Malcolm X's pictures side by side, and putting black-rimmed glasses on Obama, BINGO! They could pass for twins! And at the risk of sounding "racist", you know how "those" people breed. Like rabbits, in my opinion.
I agree with you that the male parent's name on the birth certificate is not proof that he was the biological father. But what do you suggest as an alternative? Should all candidates for president submit DNA tests and DNA tests for their father.
I'll go to my grave insisting that George Bush's father was Harpo Marx–notice the resemblance? But, frankly, neither of us has anything to go on.
Those Marx brothers, they bred like rabbits too.
Re: "The male parent's name on a birth certificate is not PROOF that he is the biological father."
We are in complete agreement. No child that has not had a DNA test performed really knows her or his father.
But what is the consequence of this? Should we require all candidates for president to show their DNA test, and their father's DNA test (and if the father is dead, the test of the father's remains) and compare the two? That would be difficult to enforce and expensive.
Short of that, your speculation that Obama looks like Malcolm X is just as good as mine that George Bush looks like Harpo Marx.
And it just so happens that barry didn't get that number until Paul Ludwig
died right there in Hawaii just weeks before barry aquired that number, hmmmm?
date entry, data shmentry
What date did he get that number?
What date did Ludwig die?
Who told you this?
Dr Conspiracy points out the following FACT:
"Mr Ludwig’s social-security number is 045-26-8722 and Obama’s is 042-xx-xxxx. It’s not the same number."
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?s=ludwig&subm…
And, by the way, Ludwig died in 1981, while Obama got his SS number in 1977. But that, of course, is a minor point. The major point is that Ludwig's SS number is not Obama's SS number (and vice versa).
McPherson loves to do that Eh? thing too.
http://www.wnd.com/files/Obama_LFBC_Report_final_…
Sure, Ellen, and what a GREAT COINSIDENCE that Obama's "grandmother" was responsible for Obama's recieving such a number of a dead individual! What of the "fake" birth certificates? You can try explaining all the allegations being made, but your words don't hold water! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!
We have an imposter sitting in the White House telling us how to live, and spending our money as though it was his. He has engaged in warfare without our representatives permission, which IS required. He has destroyed our health care system. He is destroying the economy and free market system. He continues to destroy the moral fabric of the nation in many ways. This country may not stand after another year and a half of his reign. He must go. OMG – Obama MUST Go. So how do we get him out of office if those safeguards supposed to be built into our government refuse to do their job. The congress is proving to be complicit. The legal system is corrupt. A lot of patriots are very disappointed in the failure of this government generally, not because it isn't doing something for us, but because IT ISN"T DOING THE JOB IT EXISTS TO DO. It is not protecting us along our borders or inside our borders from usurpers. What do we do? That's a question people! What do we do?
Re: "What do we do?"
What you do, obviously, is to vote against him, meaning to vote for the Republican opponent. That is your constitutional right to do, and I would fight to the death for that right.
This comment of "Ellen's" is TOO LONG! I'm NOT allowed this luxury! If "Ellen" is the administrator I suggest to you to keep your comments SHORT!!!!!!!!!
Ellen / James McPherson's alias!
The birth certificate is fake! Obama is a fake!Yyou are a fake!
No James or do you want me to call you Ellen today?
You are but the one dreaming to even think that this cover up will last!
James i am curious do you use the alias Ellen because you have a inner desire to in fact be a woman or is it that you are just a fagot in general?
JUST MORE CUT & PASTE BY JAMES McPHERSON THE CUT & PASTE QUEEN & HIS ALIAS ELLEN
I've encountered same problem before.
If you notice on the bottom of page
" Powered by WordPress
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So the administrator of the comments section is handled on an entirely different server
than the article from WJC.
OMG just more cut & paste from The Cut & Paste Queen James McPherson & his alias Ellen!
That was not a cut and past, and all that you can do is call names.
Why not discuss the facts?
James your a liar! Few facts at most!
Alexia, I do believe this is a challenge to debate the facts. So bring it on, Ellen and I shall respond in like if you can find a credible source to support your assertions. I have played both parts of this issue on purpose to really try to understand the issue and have come to the conclusion that there are so many myths that are not supported by any possible creditable evident and I only stay in the conversation to study the total disregard to except the conclusion that he will not be removed from office for his place of birth.
Barry is a liar that is factual. people are dying that is factual. We are now starting to lose in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya that is a fact. I should say Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea also. Because they are all areas of interest that have gotten worse since Barry took office. So now what? keep discussing a subject that is irrelevant or just watch the circus. I have moved on to watch the circus.
ireuel i do believe that you meant you & James? Ireuel first of all you are not intelligent enough to debate me. Further neither is he/she James McPherson alias Ellen. Simply put i would kick either of your butts in a real debate. Let me remind you that in a debate assertions are not allowed! Only facts! I do agree though that you do fit nicely in the circus as a CLOWN!
Having fun yet?
Gee James Lol Ellen Gary has you a bit unnerved! I do think the correct wording is known not know!
Bravo Alexia. A useful comment, for a change.
Re "cross checks."
Amazing. Here is a conservative that claims (wrongly) that a government agency was efficient. No, it wasn't, and it did not have sufficient checks in place. It was often lazy and sloppy, and that is why there are so many errors in peoples' SS files.
All that you can do is call names.
just possibly i do not like fakes such as you James!
Apparently you believed that there was a legal name change in Canada, even though the guy who posted it did not show any documents.
The reason that dozens of senators and congressmen have sent letters saying that Obama was born in Hawaii and none is calling for an investigation of his place of birth, and the reason that all eight declared Republican presidential candidates say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the reason that Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly call birthers crazy is that the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is overwhelming.
Gary you truly do not know for certain what James looks like! He iust in fact nothing more than a flake & phony! Do you home work! Only then can you come to your own conclusion.
I've confirmed that he has many dorky hats. Same guy under them
each time. Not too hard to gather info on him. He's disclosed enough
that I'd worry about id theft myself if I've ever dropped that many
breadcrumbs myself.
Gary kind of odd would you not say? Who does this remind you of? Just a hint! It starts with the letter O.
I've also heard his rather distinctive voice on his internet streamed
college station at Whitworth. Somehow the voice seems to match
the hats.
Lol! Yes he is such a dork isn't he?
Gary the radio station at Whitworth is the equivalent of some one having a radio station in their basement. I would say that it barely gets by as a actual station on any level.
Best Back Ground checks is a good company that is provided that you are willing to spend the dime.
Good point Gary! Don't tell Ellen/James lol!
No i just quote the facts Ellen/ oh i'm sorry James is what i meant.
Even if he was born in Hawaii he presented a document that is a forgery as an official document and that is a felony. The fun part of his BC is that I use it in my class on Desktop Publishing to show my students how easy it is to identify a forgery. Our class project was to create a far better forgery of the Obama BC.
Why would I have students do such a thing? Because it appears that if they want to work for the government learning to create creditable forged document is a skill missing in the current administration. Since this is the ONLY PROOF that Obama was born in Hawaii it is reasonable to assume he was not.
Re: "He presented a document that is a forgery."
Answer: You are not even referring to a document. What you are discussing is the PDF image of a document. The document itself is the legal photocopies that were made by the Hawaii government and given to Obama's lawyer.
Sure PDF has its problems, but that does not indicate forgery. And you are not even discussing the document itself. It is like saying that you have seen a reproduction of the Mona Lisa, and then concluding from it that the original must be forged. But WND has not even asked to see one of the two originals, and it hasn't discussed photographic images of those originals. It has only discussed PDF images–and PDF has obvious and well-known problems.
Maybe the White House staff were stupid to scan the image of the official copy into PDF and not into a jpg file. However, there are jpg files showing the document in black and white. And, guess what, neither WND nor any other birther site has discussed these images. It has only discussed the PDF image.
And it has used "experts" like this one. Here is his autobiography:
This book is out of print but we have downloadable copies available for $10.00
"About the author:
Douglas Vogt is a geologist and science philosopher. He has funded and directed three expeditions to the Sinai desert where he was the first person since Baruch (Jeremiah’s grandson) to discover the real Mount Sinai. He discovered all the altars that Moses describes in the Torah. In addition he was the first person since Moses to see the real Abraham’s altar also located at Mount Sinai and not in Jerusalem. He has discovered the code systems used by Moses when writing the surface story of the Torah, which enabled him to decode the Torah and other earlier books of the Hebrew Scriptures." http://www.vectorpub.com/Reality_Revealed.html
In contrast, here are some of the document experts who say either that there is nothing wrong with the PDF image or that there is no proof of forgery:
Dr. Neal Krawetz (http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/428-After-Birth.html)
And the conservative National Review : http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
And: http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archi…
But the fact remains, birther sites have not asked to see the physical copy. If they asked and were turned down, they could report that fact, so they haven't even asked. And so, why not? Probably because if they did receive the physical copy and showed it to a respected document expert, the document expert would say: "It's fine."
I can certainly understand motives to have a few aliases.
(pat each others backs or imaginary backs)
Guess the WH just got some software to create a bunch of fictional barry
supporters on facebook now.
Gary sad to say yes they did! How do you think James & his alias Ellen can spit this stuff out so quickly? It is their new online misinformation & concentration programs. geez this site is already being attacked.
But the pdf copy would only get the same number of layers that the scan(s?)
had in the original(s?) minus the OCR.
Kapish?
Agreed. They should have released it only as jpg, but since they didn't…..
Agreed. They should have released it only as jpg. But since they didn't, those that claim that the original was forged should ask to see the original. Their representative, WND and other birther sites, should ask to see it, and take it to a document expert (or bring the document expert along when the document is shown). But they did not do this.
It is significant that they did not do this. It shows that they do not want to discuss the original, or even the photographic copies of it. All that they want to discuss is the rotten PDF image–which is admittedly rotten.
The original – before it was scanned ? – or – ? – the original printed out from
the file that was on WH website that I told everybody here to save a copy
to their hardrives ??
(1) WND ihas reported that the US Immigration and Naturalization Service checked on Obama's place of birth TWICE, with five years between the two checks, and each time it concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii. WND then asked how the INS concluded that fact. The answer to that question is obvious. What does the INS normally do to check the place of birth? It asks for the birth certificate. So the US government, the US INS, in the 1960s and 1970s asked to see Obama's birth certificate, saw it, and concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii.
(2) Obama has now shown both his short-form and long-form birth certificates, which THREE Republican officials in Hawaii have stated are accurate regarding the place of birth.
And (3) there were the notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.
And (4) IF a child is born outside of the USA, the US insists on either a US visa on a foreign passport or the child being entered on his mother's US passport before being allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama in 1961–PARTICULARLY if the birth was in Kenya–it would have been filed away, and the application for it would have been filed away–and the document itself or the application for it would have been found long ago.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant newspaper) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
I see the article now. However, it still discusses only the PDF image, not the document itself or even a photographic image of the document.
well at least you do not need any "making of that". Stand by my assumptions.
ireuel the definition of assume is making a ass out u & me!
I see lots of repeated wording used by Alexia/Hot Cougar/Carol and many other fictional characters used in this forum.
I also see you think I am naive and that James and Ellen are only here to split the conservatives. There has not been a true conservative in 30 years in this county so splitting what no longer exist is not possible. Will James or Ellen ever make me vote for Barry? Nope cause he's a dope.
Dope
Medical Dope sales through roof in Manitou Springs, CO
Yes he can! and did
His Nobel Peace Pipe prize
Barry? or Harrison Bounel? lied and people died!
ireuel you are just a pathetic individual & if real you are just being made into a fool! I do not really have to make you look foolish for you are doing such a good job of it on your own.
Having fun yet?
Oh Oh I know the answer to this one. It was another website. So I guess that makes it true, Right?
Nope is for Dopes,
ireuel true you are in fact a dope! A really big dope1
Having fun yet?
What you are saying, in essence, is "because people do not like him he must not have been born in Hawaii." Later you say that you will never believe that he was born in Hawaii.
Of course, I do not post for you. I post for whomever may visit this site who has not made up their mind and is looking for facts.
For them, and not for you (since you will never believe) it is useful to know that:
Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Obama has now shown both his short-form and long-form birth certificates, which THREE Republican officials in Hawaii have stated are accurate regarding the place of birth.
There were notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. And, the claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because Hawaii newspapers did not run birth notice ads in 1961, they only took their notices from the government. And the government of Hawaii could not have been fooled because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.
Also, if a child is born outside of the USA, the US insists on either a US visa on a foreign passport or the child being entered on his mother's US passport before being allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama in 1961–PARTICULARLY if the birth was in Kenya–it would have been filed away, and the application for it would have been filed away–and the document itself or the application for it would have been found long ago.
OMG James!
Just more cut & paste crap!
Obama DID release his birth certificate from the get-go. He released the Hawaii Certification of Live Birth. That is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. For that reason it was the right one to release, and so he released it. And three Republican officials in Hawaii confirmed the facts on it–that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
Re the alleged forgery of his birth certificate. You are not even discussing his birth certificate. You are discussing the allegation that the PDF image of his birth certificate was forged, which many reputable document experts say is not true.
But recognize how you have been mislead by the birther media. The real birth certificates are the two physical paper copies that were made by the Hawaii DOH and given to Obama's lawyer. Neither WND nor any other birther site has asked to see one of those two copies. If they had asked, and had been turned down, they could report it. So it is clear that they did not ask. Why not? Because if in fact they were allowed to see and have a recognized document expert examine the physical copy, they faced the strong possibility that the expert would say "There is nothing wrong with that document."
PDF has its problems, but such document experts as:
http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archi…
And Dr. Neal Krawetz (http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/428-After-Birth.html)
And the conservative National Review : http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
All say that there is nothing wrong with the PDF image. And it is an IMAGE. It is not the document itself. Those that claim that it is forged are claiming that an image was forged, not the document itself. They have not even asked to see the document itself.
Re school documents: What about them? No president has ever shown grade school or high school documents (much less Kindergarten documents, which some birthers have cried for). No president has released a college or graduate school transcript (Bush's was leaked by a source at Yale, but Bush did not release it). So, why should Obama? However, Obama is likely to choose to release his transcripts IF the Republican candidate for president releases her or his transcripts.
Re Social Security number:
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_S…
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-mi…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-5…
See you've been staying quite busy on this one.
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How's them wrists holding out?
Just more cut & paste! Cut & paste! Cut & paste!
BY THE CUT & PASTE QUEEN JAMES McPHERSON.
pdf files do indeed have layers if more info is added later and the file re-saved
Re: "A sloppy copy of my bc …only single layer."
Once again you are discussing the PDF image of the document, not the document itself. PDF has its problems, but it is normal to have layers in it (especially in complex documents). And the PDF image is NOT the document. The document was a photocopy, a physical paper copy made by photocopying the original from a book onto security paper. That was the copy that was given to Obama's lawyer.
Birther sites have not even asked to check out that copy. And they have not even discussed the photographic copies of the original. All that they do is discuss the PDF image, and PDF's problems are well know. Nevertheless, there are document experts who say that the PDF image of the birth certificate is not a forgery.
Lol! OMG! What a fool you are! Did you & ireuel go to the same school? Provide one professional & legitimate expert who has authenticated the Obama birth certificate? Not a quack! A real expert! No you can not!
"Why is he still forging phony documents and using stolen SSNs."
Something that would give me the quick trip to Canon City or Florence.
ireuel as i have said before! You have too low of a reading & comprehension level to even know what are facts.
Having fun?