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Caleb, are you posting during a drunken Spring Break? I know you just regurtitate the headline that happened to be there, but did you bother to watch what you posted?
Nowhere in this video from God knows where does it blame "the media" for Lakin's being in prison. Nor was Lakin jailed for failing to produce his birth certificate (as the twit says, while goofy guest says "right" ). Who ARE these people?
The shoe is on the other foot now and it doesn't feel good does it? This is the mirror of the media lapdogs that lay equally odd assertions. The truth is that Lakin did refuse to submit his BC as ordered and thus "missed" transfer. You can call it missing movement and ignore the prime reason simply to hush up the BC part all you want but it doesn't change the truth.
"The shoe is on the other foot now and it doesn't feel good does it?"
It certainly doesn't feel bad, since I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you?
Really? Let me help you. Up until this video there hasn't been a media piece the public could see that identified the issue from the side of LTC Lakin. All we've had is a bunch of talking heads portraying the issue the way they saw it. That was fine with you then but as soon as there is another source , well, thats a problem. Which is the only reason you are blowing smoke here. You don't like the facts they present because you can't fit them neatly into your argument which is the “birther” label put up to evade the real issues. From: notifications@intensedebatemail.comTo: adirondack_1@hotmail.comSubject: James McPherson replied to your comment on The Media Is Responsible For Lt Col Terry Lakin Being In Prison
Oh. In this case, "media" is the equivalent of Western "Journalism" Review, with sources that were so obviously clueless, that I didn't really take it seriously. And I can't imagine anyone else will, either.
That's the shoe and that's only one mans opinion, yours. There is one difference. WCJ didn't make the clip like the MSM do. They spend huge sums to craft a believable piece of propaganda and it works on some people but only until they start seeing holes poked where none should be. Like that part about Lakin not producing his own BC. If you knew about LTC Lakin you would know that it was a moment of epiphany when he read those orders. That's where it all began for him. So, who is clueless? Dig for truth and when you start finding it maybe you'll start questioning why the media tries so hard to craft their product without telling it all.
The bigger questions here James are who are you & Who is Obama? Like Obama your fake credentials just do not fly !
Regardless of Obama's credentials, mine are easy to check for anyone who isn't too lazy or stupid to be able to handle a couple of mouse clicks.
It won't fix the problem? If Obama is found ineligible the fallout will wipe out the establishment parties. That will fix the system enought to reset the education of Americans so they know how to participate and hold their government accountable for each and every violation of the law. We the People are down 14 to nothing in redress with a court blocking any further movement. That court is also blocking the constitutional mandates from being law of the land. That one little piece of paper is all that stands in the way between a rebirth of American sovereignty or it's final death.
The American Judicial System at the State, Federal and Military levels has failed America. The Judicial Branch supposed to provide a 'balance of power' and honest judgements based on the Constitution, which it has failed to do these past three years regarding Obama's elgibility to be President. The Legislative Branch (Congress) has failed us also. So all three Branches of Federal Government has failed the American Citizen and now our Government is telling established Governments in other parts of the world how to run their country and which leaders should step-down or be overthrown? Our own laundry is dirty and America should mind its own business.
Amazing amount of audacity but the tyranny sees itself as the legitimate authority regardless what the constitution and the people say. Rogue is as rogue does. From: notifications@intensedebatemail.comTo: adirondack_1@hotmail.comSubject: Xman replied to your comment on The Media Is Responsible For Lt Col Terry Lakin Being In Prison
I agree. A responsible media would have given LTC Lakin's story the attention it deserved and the government would not have been able to ignore that.
WTF? He's not in prison for not showing his birth certificate. And his prison term isn't for a mere 6 months (he's been there 6 months of a multi-year sentence). Get your facts right you dumbasses! Tell the public about how the judge wouldn't allow discovery because it would likely embarrass the president. Since when is presidential embarrassment a reason not to pursue a legal case against a fraudulent criminal sheister of a president. THIS NEWS STORY IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO JOURNALISM.!!!!
Well put. Very well put. Let me add a little more to what you have said so well. June 1945 twenty-four Germans were brought to trial in Nuremberg, accused of crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. In their defense, most claimed that they were only following the orders of their superiors. According to paragraph 171 of the Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refuge Status, and Nuremberg Principle IV, this excuse was unacceptable. Principle IV states: "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his government or superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him." In other words, it is not an acceptable excuse for committing an international crime to say 'I was just following orders.' He is responsible for making sure those orders are legal, and if not he must refuse to obey them. What are international crimes? Number one on the list is "Planning, preparation, initiation, or waging a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements, or assurances." Number two on the list is participation in any of the acts described in Number one. All 24 defendants were found guilty. Twelve were sentenced to death by hanging; the other twelve were sentenced to life imprisonment in Spandau Prison. The United States approved these court actions. Therefore LtCol Terrence L. Lakin acted exactly as he was supposed to do. He was ordered to participate in a war of aggression, and he attempted to determine whether those orders were legal. It was therefore incumbent upon those issuing the orders to provide whatever information is necessary to prove their legality. Barrack Obama and the judge, Col Dennis Lind, should be in prison, not Terry Lakin. Have you seen any newspaper, magazine, radio, or TV program that gives you the truth?
Discovery wasn't allowed because it was IRRELEVANT TO THE CHARGES. A "long-form birth certificate" doesn't change the fact that Lakin disobeyed orders. And that's what he's in jail for.
Wise up! Get a life!
elllen on twitter now with a new name?
That my freind is just plain bull*****the Military code of justice says that you have the right and duty to guestion an order if you feel that is unlawful are given under an unlawful commander. As Frankly Frank said the LTCOL could himself be held responsable if the order is found to violate the constitution or International law. Ovomit has never proved that he is a citizen as did McCain the ivestigation of McCain was just a ploy to take the heat of this half breed son of a white trash communist whore and his anti American Muslim father. He has millions of our money to cover his ass and keep all of his records sealed because he can not prove he is a citizen or that he even was educated at these schools,so next time you have something to say check your facts and make sure don't sound so ignorant of the facts. When I deployed to Nam I had to prsent my birth certificate not some peice crap fake
WELL PUT SKIP YOU WOULD WONDER WHY THAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND BY THE LIKES OF THIS DUMB ASS LIKE ELLEN AND SOME OTHERS
Neither soldiers nor officers have a right and duty to question orders. They have a right to question orders that violate the laws of war, such as "rape all the women in the village." Other orders, such as those that conflict with orders from a higher officer, can also be questioned.
But all others, even "sweep the floor General," must be obeyed if given by a higher officer.
The order "go to Afghanistan" is a perfectly legal order. It was not given to Lakin by Obama, it was given by a superior full colonel or general. Even if Obama were not eligible, and he is, the order "go to Afghanistan" would not be illegal, anymore than "sweep the floor" would be illegal. the Afghanistan War is a perfectly legal war, authorized by Congress.
IN contrast, there might be an issue if a soldier or officer were to disobey an order to fly over Libya. That hasn't been authorized by Congress, so there might well be a Constitutional issue. But even in this case the issue is not the eligibility of the president. It is whether the war is legal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
YOU JUST KEEP ON GETTING STUPIDER AND STUPIDER
Discovery is the life you jerk. Back in your box fella!!!!
He disobeyed orders BECAUSE HE BELIEVED THEM TO BE ILLEGAL orders. And he WAS refused discovery that would have proven or disproven whether or not those orders were illegal. Refusing an illegal order is not just his right, it is his responsibility according to military rule. The judge refused discovery because as the JUDGE said…they might uncover something that would embarrass a sitting president. Nothing more, nothing less…even the judge knows Obama has got a lot to hide.
No, Obama's legality as President doesn't stand or fall on his ability to produce a document which Lakin wants to see. He is legally the President of the United States because he was inaugurated and sworn in.
And Lakin disobeyed his IMMEDIATE superior..
ellen?
Hey DUMB ASS.You're about a STUPID as James "the ignorant ass" McPherson.
And if you really believe that it's you that's the real idiot here. And I don't care how well you can spell, moroon!
THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN
Lakin didn't " refuse to obey orders" he requested validation that the orders he received were in fact legal and issued by a legitimate superior officer, ie; one Barry Soretoro. ( you may know him as Barrack Obumass) And further, why in the name of GOD would anyone NOT show his legitimacy to issue such orders if it would end all further debate and keep a well respected officer out of jail! One reason only, HE IS NOT LEGITIMATE !!, and cannot prove that he is!
Yeah, sure. I suggest you try that argument the next time a police officer asks you for your driver's license.
Actually I do – I check to make sure he is who he says he is and then I ask him why he pulled me over and to quote the particular code for the supposed offence. Further, I check his or her vechicle for any obvious deficencies the would preclude them from issuing a violation, you can't break the law to enforce the law. (Except under the Patriot Act) Boy it really pisses em off when I make them call a supervisor to issue a ticket to one of their own.
Good Man Sumerian Man. Step on that little cockroach McPherson. Push him down in the mud. I really don't like the guy. He's not smart, he's a smart-ass.
"I really don't like the guy."
Gee, and I've tried so hard to get on your good side.
Yeah, I'm sure all that happens. We'll just have to take your word for the claim that you're a lot braver in dealing with cops than you are in posting on friendly blogs.
Still, you don't feel obligated to make the governor prove his/her credentials before you show your ID? Pretty lazy of you.
What you don't seem to understand is that you and every citizen of the United States of America has exactly the same rights as any officer of the law as provided for in your Constitution and Bill of Rights, of which I keep a few pocket copies of in every vechicle I drive and I relentlessly inform whoever questions those rights that I am not trying to be a jerk, I am only trying to insure mine and his or her children are afforded those same rights when confronted by any authority figure whatsoever in the future. It helps if you remind them from time to time, even if it takes you to the judge in irons. I have in fact had judges standing on their pulpit threatening me with contempt and jail for standing on those rights only to relent and dismiss further proceedings knowing full well they were wrong and I would surely appeal even a traffic violation to a higher court and have whatever overturned as a matter of law, and what judge wants that. No man is above the law, not even Obama.
Looks like they're not going to post my first part two so here it is w/ deletive.
But unfortunately, only if we keep reminding them. The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time, but it doesn't necessarily have to be with the "blood" of patriots, when sometimes a little pruning is all that's required.
In the case of Lt.Col. Lakin the cards were stacked against him in a military trial, he didn't have a chance because he could not appeal to a higher court. And not to be allowed discovery is, was unconcionable. He got screwed because the so called Commander in Chief could not afford to be "embarassed"? What the hell kind of reasoning is that? Typical pinko, commie, socialist, liberal jargon. The kind that puts justice in this or any country rightly to shame. No wonder she wears a blindfold, I can't bear to see the BS that's going on here either.
So sad the site administrators saw fit NOT to post the rest of my comment. Funny thing is I don't know why. I used no real vulgarity or name calling, just some more on the Lakin issue. Must of struck a chord somewhere though. I'll repeat the last part here and see what happens. The tree of liberty may need to be refreshed at times although not nesessarily with the "blood" of patriots when sometimes a little pruning is all that required.
I think it has something to do with the number of words.
I've had to break it up into multiple comments before.
That's what I did! Three times, go figure. all they said was a site administrator would have to approve it before it was posted. Hasn't posted yet.
So we should all be in jail for doing what we are required to do? You make no sense at all!
Hay Hay ACLU Horses-Azz You Must Be Related To Thumbs Down Teachers-Azz James Bond Both Sound Like Good Old Boys Of The Conscientious Objector Obama Union Goons, Yikeess, God Bless America And Sarah Palin.
HE HAS A RIGHT AND A (DUTY) TO MAKE SURE HIS ORDERS ARE LEGITIMATE HE WAS DENIED THAT RIGHT BECAUSE THE JUDGE WAS PROTECTING THE SCUMBAG IN THE WHITE HOUSE
Since the order was not given to him from Obama he was disobeying a legal order given by a superior officer. Obama's eligiblity to be president has nothing to do with the order "go to Afghanistan" any more than it would have anything to do with the order "sweep the floor. The legality of the Afghanistan War can be challenged, but not on the basis of the president's eligibility. The Afghanistan War was approved by Congress back during the Bush administration, and hence it is a legal war.
Lakin disobeyed a legal order given to him by a superior officer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
INDIRECTLY ALL ORDERS ORIGINATE IN THE WHITE HOUSE BUT DUMB DUMB WOULDN'T KNOW THAT
You are making this stuff up. The orders given by commanding officers are their orders, and if you disobey them, you are disobeying a superior officer.
Ellen,
You ever been in the military?
No, have you?
If you have , you could cite the law, and you aren't. The fact that an officer has the right to question an order that he may believe is illegal does not (1) make the order illegal, or (2) require the President to show his birth certificate. The president's birth certificate is irrelevant to an order given by a superior officer since the president did not give the order.
Ellen, yes I served and you are mistaking an order given to an enlisted person and a Officer. The officers orders to deploy are given by the Commander and Chief. Barry. They are not a group order as a units order as used fro enlisted non- commissioned officers. Don't quote military law if you have never been there. He had every right to question the Commander and chief he he felt it was a unlawful order, because he was a Commissioned Officer.
2012 will be here next year and War Mongrel Barry will be sent back to Chicago with his tail between his legs.
You have every right to vote against Obama, and I may join you. However, he was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born Citizen.
Re Lakin: It is absurd to believe that officers have the right to question orders. They only have the right to question illegal or improper orders (ones that may conflict with orders given by higher ranking officials, or standing orders for example). And if they do that, they have the right to present evidence to support their case.
However, the issue of the president's eligibility has nothing to do with the order "go to Afghanistan." The president did not give the order, nor did he start the war in Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan was approved by Congress. The order to send Lakin to Afghanistan was given by a superior officer to Lakin, not by Obama. Hence the eligibility of the president is irrelevant.
This media thing and racism is the main reason Col Lakin is in the DB. Between Socialism, Muslims and a lot of black folks, this case on Obammer will never come to fact. Now there are several more white ???? whatever coming across to join the above crew so until true conservative white folks get their head our of their A–. We'll continue to tolerate this phony in the white house.
Lakin required to bring BC to deploy. http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/st…
To state he wasn't charged for that is erroneous. It's like the IRS having a judge jail you for owing money but since you can't be jailed for debt the crime is filing a false instrument or if you didn't file, contempt. The government acts omnipotent in any case where you seek to LEGALLY force a first amendment redress of an issue they refuse to acknowledge. LTC Lakin suffered the exact same treatment. He did notify the chain of command and did ask their oaths to be upheld but instead they conspired yo jail him by giving him orders they knew he would find repugnant. Why else would the BC requirement be entered into a deployment order if not to raise the issue for him ? To bait him and hold a kangaroo court that's why.
Lt. Colonel Lakin is in prison for disobeying a direct order, like any other soldier. Not for failing to produce a birth certificate. For failing to deploy, as ordered. And he did not disobey President Obama, he disobeyed his IMMEDIATE superior.
Frankly, you people are nuts. Barack Obama is the Commander-In-Chief of the United States. He did not become the Commander-In-Chief when he showed his birth certificate. He became the Commander In Chief because he was elected by the Electoral College of the United States; that was certified by the Congress of the United States; and he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of United States. After all that, you think he has to satisfy some LIEUTENANT COLONEL?
Lakin is in jail, and he should be. The President eligibility is not for HIM to determine.
HELLO IDIOT OBAMA SHOULD BE IN JAIL NOT LT COLONEL LAKIN. WHAT DID THIS MUSLIN OBAMA FIGHT FOR BESIDE DESTROYING OUR GREAT COUNTRY, WAKE UP IDIOT
Dear BOB:
Thank you for demonstrating the standard level of intellect we have come to expect from birthers.
By the way, BOB:
Punctuation is your friend.
If you hit the key that says "Caps Lock" when Caps Lock is on, it shuts it off.
And "Muslin" is a fabric.
Have a lovely Saturday, BOB.
James alias @ignatzz,
I find it ridiculous for you to attack Bob about punctuation & his spelling when in fact you as well as myself are guilty of making such errors as well on our post to this site!
As for his choosing to use all capital letters in his post/remarks i find that to be no issue at all!
It is simply a preference which he is entitled to if he so wishes to do so.
You seem to have misunderstood. The problem wasn't that his post had bad spelling and punctuation. It was that his post had bad spelling and punctuation AND contained absolutely nothing that anyone could confuse with a rational point, while calling someone ELSE an "idiot."
Glad I could clear that up.
I hope you have a problem with this.
HELLO, IDIOT OBAMA SHOULD BE IN JAIL NOT LT. COLONEL LAKIN. WHAT DID THIS ISLANIST OBAMA FIGHT FOR BESIDE DESTROYING OUR GREAT COUNTRY, WAKE UP IDIOT
SO FAR YOU HAVE SAID ANYTHING TO HAVE ANYONE BELIEVE YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO CLEAR ANYTHING UP
AND THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US YOUR IGNORANCE
Lol! James it took me awhile before i realized that @ignatzz was nothing more than another of the many aliases which you use on this site ! Truly James get a life! you should know by now that not only me but others have& do see through this game of yours.
And it took me this one post of yours to realize that you're paranoid, and think that anyone who points out the fact that you're an insane moron must be somebody else, because you can't bear to face the fact that MOST Americans believe that birthers are insane morons.
Because they are.
No, I don't think that is a fact at all. In fact it's a lie. Now don't go saying anything that you can't prove. I'm part of Liberty's Tea Party and I'm not going to let you get away with it.
Gee, you're going to not let people get away with saying things they can't prove here? Looks like you have a new full-time job, just correcting the birthers.
ONE MORE STUPID REMARK IGNATZ THE POLE TAKEN THREE DAYS AGO SHOW OVER 2/3S OF THE POPULATION BELIEVE AS I ALREADY KNOW HE IS A USURPER
IGNORANTZ READ THE LATEST POLES THAT SAY 2/3RDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOW THINK HE IS NOT LEGAL TO BE IN THE W.H. THINK ABOUT THIS. EVERYTHING THATS BEEN UNCOVERED ABOUT THE USURPER SAYS HE IS NOT LEGAL AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEPORTED LONG AGO. SO FAR THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING UNCOVERED TO DATE THAT SAYS HE IS LEGAL. SO WHO DO YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE BELIEVE IS THE MORON. IF YOU GUESS IGNORANTZ NATZZ YOU GOT IT RIGHT.
I am not a birther per-say but "insane morons" and most of America believe this. Could you please provide supporting facts to your assertion that MOST Americans.
T6HAT WOULD BE THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK
Other people keep pointing out to you that you're obviously clueless about supposed "aliases," while you're the only one here who seems to think that someone who uses his own name would bother–even if it were possible. Perhaps you might try a different, more literate tactic, if you knew how to look something up so that you might share a fact or two.
On the other hand, having you, Carol, Vicky and the like speaking for brithers is exactly the sort of entertaining lunacy the rest of us enjoy so much about the Western "Journalism" Center–so do keep up the good work.
Jerk
Thoughtful comment, don.
Hay Hay ACLU CAIR ACORN Teachers-Azz James Bond McPhewww The Only Atheist In A Christian School, Yikeess, AFL/CIO Goons Protected, But Not Col Lakin, However If He Was A MUSLIM Soldier, Racist, Racist! God Bless America And A Real Hero Terry Lakin.
READ THE LATEST POLE ON THE ILLEGAL ALIEN DUMB ASS OVER 2 THIRDS OF THE POPULATION THINK HE IS ILLEGAL.
That was a WND poll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
GUESS AGAIN
ANOTHER DEMONSTRATION OF YOUR STUPIDITY ELLEN
Another thoughtful comment that discusses the issues. The fact is that the poll referred to was a WND poll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
I THINK IT WAS ME THAT REFERRED TO THE POLE AND IT WAS NOT A W.N.D. POLE TRY AGAIN STUPID
It was a WND poll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Wise words indeed, exactly the people that anti-birthers seek and exploit to say yes they are a bunch of nut cases. Having a bunch as this will convince the suspected audiences. I shall now watch Bill Mahr and Code Pink to observe similar behavior, opps I almost forgot the Kings of sting "Reverend Wright" and Louis Faraicahn" Very dear friends of the Man with Name Barry from time to to.
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So what's your point, Gary?
"Other people keep pointing out to you that you're obviously clueless about supposed "aliases," while you're the only one here who seems to think that someone who uses his own name would bother–even if it were possible. Perhaps you might try a different, more literate tactic, if you knew how to look something up so that you might share a fact or two."
Breadcrumbs, anybody see breadcrumbs?
"Lol! James it took me awhile before i realized that @ignatzz was nothing more than another of the many aliases which you use on this site ! Truly James get a life! you should know by now that not only me but others have& do see through this game of yours."
I would say it's more likely a New Yorker.
Perhaps I am backing you up, James.
Thumbs up/thumbs down, I'm not registering just to rack up some cheesy
brown noser points.
Thanks for the support–sorry I didn't get it. And I don't understand some folks' obsession with the points, either. After all, it seems that the best way to get them would be to comment on sites where people actually agree with you most of the time–hardly my strategy, I think you'll agree?
Hay Hay Thumbs Down Teachers-Azz James Bond McPheww Another Bad Smell Blog And You Need Lots Of George SorosBarry Soetoro Type Support Now Drop Dead. God Bless America And Col Lakin.
"Now Drop Dead. God Bless America"
Yep, you're quite the patriot.
JUST WHO IS TO DETERMINE HIS ELIGIBILITY?? SEEMS THAT IT IS HARD TO PIN DOWN.
He Commander and Chief alright, What is he looking for in Libya? (WMD). I guess the hundreds of thousands in mass graves in Iraq was not just cause but another dictator in another country is? He is not a very good commander and chief and hopefully will only be allowed one term. You are correct Lakin disobeyed the lawful orders of his superiors but I understand lack of respect for this self centered, launch bombs, run off to Rio for vacation and leave. He is the worst President in history and should of never been elected in the first place. It is all about him and not the better interest of the country. I hope his little lemmings wake up and smell the EGO.
HE WAS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO QUESTION ANY ORDERS TO VERIFY THEY ARE FROM A LEGITIMATE SOURCE. HIS DIRECTIVES STATE THAT IF HE FOLLOWS A ILLEGAL ORDER HE IS SOLE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ACTIONS CAUSED BY THAT ORDER. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW WHY HE IS SUPPOSED TO VERIFY ANY ORDERS HE GETS ARE LEGAL. NO YOU PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.
Since he was not given the order by Obama, he disobeyed the order of the full colonel or general who gave it to him. And it was a legal order since the Afghanistan War is a legal war, approved by Congress. The legality of the Afghanistan war has nothing to do with the eligibility of the president. It has to do with whether or not the war was approved by Congress, and it was.
In the current case of Libya, IF a sailor or airman were to refuse the order "bomb Libya," that would be an interesting constitutional case because the Libyan action has NOT been approved by Congress. But even in that case, the eligibility of the president would not be the issue. It would be whether or not the war was legal, meaning whether or not an act of Congress is required.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Yes Ellen we do agree on this, I wish I were still in and Barry sent me to Libya, I would not go.
That would be an interesting case, but it would be settled on the basis of whether the Libya military situation is legal under the war powers act, not on whether or not the president is a natural born citizen.
Personally, I agree with the view of Ron Paul and, surprisingly, Leo Donfrio, that all military activities that amount to war should require a declaration of war by Congress. I believe that for two reasons, first that the Constitution should be obeyed strictly, and second because it is good policy.
But there are those that disagree. Did you know that the Korean War was not formally declared by Congress or even authorized by legislation that did not use the words "Declaration of War" such as the Tonkin Gulf Resolution?
In any case, the issue would be whether the Libya situation was within the powers of the presidency without the formal approval of Congress. That would be the only issue, not whether or not the president was a Natural Born Citizen.
WHY WOULD YOU ON ONE HAND WANT THE CONSTITUTION FOLLOWED, AND ON THE OTHER HAND KEEP KISSING SOMEONE'S ASS THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS?
I said I wouldn't go, and it would not be for where he was born. Libya is a weaker argument than Iraq and it is quite interesting that a man whom ran against the Iraq War would do this. People are getting murdered all over the world today by their leaders and to pick this one country is puzzling to me. I did not support the Iraq war until troops were on the ground. I even e-mailed the White house many time recommending not going. But you have to understand why I changed once troops are on the ground. They sent me and my brothers, friends and others to Vietnam and then without caring for our safety the country turned on us not the ones that started the stupid war and I lost many of friends in that war because of the TV and protesters in front of the cameras and people like John F-in Kerry going to Vietnam for tree months and coming back and going to congress and exaggerating stories of the civilian killings.lying about we were killing babies, woman and children. Yes I am sure a few were, but the enemy would be responsible for almost all of them and stage it so it looked as we did it. The left did the same thing once we were on the ground in Iraq and it only got more killed and inspired the insurgents that were not even Iraq's, because they knew our country would give up like we did in Vietnam. Ellen War sucks, but try being one of the ones sent there and then come back to a split country. Both the left and the right voted for Iraq and are guilty, but in Libya the Congress has not spoken yet. This is more unilateral that Iraq by far. If we send troops to Libya, please don't Vietnam them, it only gets more of them killed.
THE MORE YOU WRITE THE MORE YOU SHOW HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW
Ellen a little lesson for you, Under the (Uniform Code of Military Justice) practiced in our military. A person can respectfully deny to do a action ordered by his or here superior if the order is one or would lead to the weakening of the defensive capabilities of the military and our country. Plus a few other reasons. Now when you do this it better be for reals or you will spend and very long time in a military prison (In War time it is punishable up to including death) and if the Superior is found to have issued a order that may not of be sanctioned or legal then s/he shall go to jail. As for the war being Legal per-say, that is just Talk show want to be lawyer spew talk and is not the correct terminology. Libya and if order to bomb it is not correct either. The President has the right to start this action then he has 48 hours to notify (not sure if notified is the correct word but I'm not looking it up right now)Congress, then he Has 90 days to have a approval by Congress, Unless if Congress passes a bill removing funding it or calling the Administration to floor to explain their actions, it the later case it it would lead to impeachment because it was a unjust act of the Administration. I may not have everything in here correctly but it is close enough. This area really has gone in to gray areas and in 1973 some war act was passed after Vietnam but I don't think anyone follows that one. Back to the point of the lakin case he did have the right to do what he did, but he did not successfully win his side. The problem with this case is that documentation ask to be released by the defense was not allowed. Also the appeal process in military court is not the same as in the public court house. Lakin's only hope is that if Barry was found to be unqualified to be President. I am not choosing sides but feel sorry for Lakin he felt he was doing the right thing and Barry should of did the honorable thing for a man that has served his country for almost two decades. Barry could of used this case to show the court the REAL LONG FORM and this issue would be resolved. But Barry's must have some problem with the ORIGINAL{{{NOT the 2007 copy is not the ORIGINAL it was produce in i the year it was embossed}}} or he would not be playing this game. See I am not a birther, I just want this issue to be resolved so we can focus on War Crimes of Barry. Libya is not a action that had anything to do with National security as they repeated about President Bush in Iraq. The evidence in Libya is even weaker than the Iraq War. Bottom line is Barry is doing exactly what he ACCUSED President Bush of doing. If his accusations were correct about President Bush then in 2006 when Democrats took over congress they would of Impeached him, they had the numbers to do it and investigated it for two year and found nothing they only used it as a political circus to release to the Left steam media, to win the white house. Welcome to Washington.
The documentation requested by the defense was irrelevant to the case. The eligibility of the president has nothing to do with a legal order. If your superior says "sweep the floor," you cannot ask for the president's birth certificate to prove that it was not a legal order. The president's birth certificate is irrelevant to "sweep the floor," and it is irrelevant to the perfectly legal order "go to Afghanistan."
There are no places on an original long form birth certificate from Hawaii that possibly could show anything surprising about Obama. There is no place to list the religion of the child or of the parents, and there is nothing that shows whether or not the parents were married. And as for the information on the long-form birth certificate that the short-form also shows, the short form has EXACTLY the same facts as the long-form because, duh, the clerk copied the data from the long form to create the short-form. That is how it works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
The documents should of been relevant to the case, he refused to go to a war zone by a President he felt unqualified to be in the position he was in. He was not asked to sweep the floor. His defense was that Barry was not qualified to send him to war because he was not qualified. Sweeping the floor and being sent off to war is a long way apart in the legal spectrum. Sending a person to war and sweeping floors is not a good comparison.
Ellen; DUH; You say the Short form was EXACTLY the same as the Facts on the Long Form. Have you seen the ORIGINAL? Again I only care that you are saying that you quite possibility have seen the ORIGINAL and know that these were transfer EXACTLY. If you have then that would be amazing and would explain your efforts on trying to convince the unconvincing. I can not believe you wrote that, You hammer people for not discussing the facts, yet you Say without reservation that the information on the short form is EXACTLY what is on the Long Form(ORIGINAL). OK I will assume that it is, then what would be the harm of showing the Long Form (ORIGINAL), it has the EXACT same Facts, Right?… Barry is a Liar and he has lied his whole life. So I shall never believe anything that guy has ever said. He sent Planes into Libya and went to RIO on Vacation, What was that. I wish he was not born in Hawaii or ever he is destroying this country for reals. That is the issue that should be discussed.
Ellen your certainty of this facts are quite interesting.
these/ opps. fingers hurt today. arthritis.
Re: "The documents should of been relevant to the case,"
But the documents were not relevant to the case. The eligibility of a president has nothing to do with an order unless, perhaps, the president gave the order himself, which was not the case. The idea that a soldier can demand a president's birth certificate if he disobeys the order to "sweep the floor" or the order "go to Afghanistan," is crazy.
Re: "DUH; You say the Short form was EXACTLY the same as the Facts on the Long Form. Have you seen the ORIGINAL?
Answer: NO, Hawaii does not sent out the original anymore. But the procedure is well known that the clerk copies the facts from the document in the files, and we know that there was an original document in the files as stated by the Republican officials.
We also know that they have confirmed the facts that the clerk entered, in other words they confirmed that the clerk did not make a mistake. So four people, the three who confirmed and the clerk, would all have to be lying for the document in the files to be different from the official birth certificate.
Re: "then what would be the harm of showing the Long Form (ORIGINAL), it has the EXACT same Facts, Right?… "
Answer: No harm at all, but Hawaii does not send out the original anymore. Why should it change its policy simply because birthers do not believe the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the confirmation of three Republican officials?
And there were birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, and these were not ads. The papers did not accept birth ads in those days. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not send them out for births outside of Hawaii and which did not accept “walk in” or “call in” birth registrations but demanded a witness statement whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET THAT STUPID. MY BC SHOWS BOTH PARENTS THE DOCTOR THE PLACE OF DELIVERY. LOOK AT THAT COPY ONE MORE TIME IF YOU DON'T SEE ALL THAT INFORMATION ON IT IT WAS NOT COPIED FROM ANYTHING IT WAS MADE UP, NOW UNLESS YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME FACTS SHUT THE HELL UP
ignoratz what country you from
Hey scumbag,
Your a disgrace to the presidentcy!!! Will not obey you for nothing! How can you sleep at night? That's it keep your chin way up high dirtball!
When the truth finally comes out, I would like to hold accountable those members of the DNC who so 'carefully' vetted him before nominating him for president.
They were so determined and hungry to regain power that they would accept anyone who might help them regain the White House. Never mind his background and goals.
It is the DNC who must be held accountable!
Drftrapani
I beleive that those that have supported his lies should be held resposible for those lies them selves if nothing fine the stupid suckes for being totaly ignorant. This half breed and his ilegal czars should be jaild a Levenworth and the LTCOL freed and compiesated for his time and raised in rank for his good work!
Your a true American skipfoss, and you too drftrapani. James on the other hand is a progressive troll that enjoys instigating problems here.
I do thank you for that compliment sir.Ispent three tours in Nam and I never questioned the orders I received,but I knew that those who gave the orders were actualy American born Presidents, this half breed ISNOT he is a muslim subversive and was never veted by those responsible for seeing that he was really an American. Obama may have been born in Hawii although Idon't beleive he was but if you read his books and listen to what he has to say he hates white Americans and is admittidly a muslim,he stated that if the winds blew in the wrong direction he would stand with his muslim brothers which he has done, Look at at his life he has d one nothing but surround himself with communist and radical socialist and Muslims. Iwould like to see all of his transcripts from all of the schools he supposidly attended we have no proof of his birth or any proof that he acctually attended these schools .He could be some dip witt that Soros and the Bilderbergs set up and feed him what to say, he can't give a speech or a talk with out his monitors and if he does he sounds like a blithering idiot
Obama WAS born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate and the confirmation of THREE Republican officials in Hawaii show. As for seeing his transcripts, no president has ever shown them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
My point is that he has refused to give any kind of verification that he is actually attended these schools as well as his birth certificate.If this half breed has shown his birth certificate why are so many important people on both sides asking for it and why is the gov of Hawaii say it can't be found. Have you ever seen any verification that this form is his birth certificate no because this is a certificate of birth there is quite a diffrence in the two. You can't even get a drivers licence with what he is claiming as his birth certficate and I would love to see how he got his passport with document ,I had to produce a certified photo copy of my BIRTH certificate, not certificate of birth
Obama has shown his official birth certificate, and the facts on it were confirmed repeatedly by three Republican officials in Hawaii.
Apparently only Trump is asking to see the original birth certificate. Huckabee isn't. Sarah Palin isn't. Speaker of the House Boehner and Republican majority leader Cantor aren't. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all have called birthers crazy.
The certification of live birth is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. The long-form original birth certificate is no longer the official birth certificate, and it is no longer sent out. Thousands of people get their Hawaii driver's licenses with the Hawaii certification of live birth, and thousands more get their US passports with it.
As for verification, Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law school have all stated that he attended, and that he graduated from Columbia and Harvard.
Try to grasp the fact that the certification of live birth is a BIRTH CERTIFICATE despite the name. They call it a certification of live birth to be fancy, but it is a birth certificate and THOUSANDS of people use it to get drivers licenses and passports every year.
The governor of Hawaii, did NOT say that the original cannot be found. WND, and only WND, said that he said it. He did not say it. And, in fact, two Republican officials stated in a written press release that the original birth certificate is in the file. Then why not show it, you may ask? Because Hawaii does not send out the original anymore. It only sends out the new official birth certificate, the certification of live birth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Ellen, The certificate of live birth he posted is not the ORIGINAL ONE. That is the one he should of released, I understand that you can get a certified "Certificate Of Live Birth". And that is the one seen by all. People have the right to call him into question and he should just be more open and transparent. The thing he release only added to the cloud of confusion. Donald Trump is asking the right question and Barry should. As for his College years, yes he attended and that is all they said, they did not and will not answer the question of the name he used at Occidental, Ellen this is a cloud of confusion of his own making and I do believe it is on purpose to distract from something that he does not wander know. He and his supporter only address the wacko that call into question about the place of birth and will not let the conversation be taken to other areas of question. That is my only interest in this topic . He is the master of deception.
Actually, no. The one that should be released is the OFFICIAL one, not the original one. The official one is the one that the US State Department accepts for thousands of passports every year. In addition, Hawaii no longer sends out the original–not to anyone. So it would have to change its rules to start sending out the original again, and why should it? The official birth certificate is the legal document and perfectly valid, especially with the confirmation of the three Republican officials in Hawaii.
Trump is dumb and will lose. He probably will not even run. If he does, all the other Republican candidates will dump on him for his birther stance, as will Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck, all of whom have called birthers crazy.
And it IS crazy. The official birth certificate of Hawaii and the repeated confirmations of the officials in Hawaii and the birth notices in the newspapers in 1961 are overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there isn't a shred of proof (except for forged "birth certificates") that Obama was born anywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
I hope this doesn't leave a mark on poor Ellen, she really is quite possibly right but, to what ends do you go to prove something that could be resolved with a simple resolution of THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I mean the Guy is the President Of the WHOLE United States and he can not request a CERTIFIED COPY OF THE ORIGINAL". That is the one that just doesn't wash out.
Understand Gary or is Breadcrumbs today?
Simple solution!
That would clear everything.
I see a few other birther articles (mostly more Trump) in the
making. That'll keep ellen busy.
I have a small gripe with breadcrumb. I'll have to duke it out
with him tonight.
Sure it would, but Hawaii does not send out the original and has not since 2001. The new short-form Certification of Live Birth is the OFFICIAL birth certificate and it is used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports. And in addition to the official birth certificate there is the repeated confirmation of the officials in Hawaii.
And the idea that t he whole thing would go away if Obama published the original (if he could since what he has is only the official BC) is false. Already birthers are saying that they would claim that the published original was forged, or they would shift to the two-fer approach (all NBCs have to have two citizen parents).
Obama could request the original, as anyone in Hawaii could, but Hawaii would have to change its regulations to send it to him because it doesn't send it to anyone else. And why should Obama ask for it if he knows that no one else gets the original? And besides, the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the confirmations of the officials in Hawaii are sufficient.
"Can I get a AMEN here" Hallelujah. "AMEN'
AMEN
Frank I was just reading an article about obama and biden are ready to commit some of our troops to serve under UN control, they will no longer wear our uniforms and will be sent to fight where ever the UN wants and they can prosicute our troops for crime and also they will have authority to punish citizens of the US for crimes under international (Sharia) law for what ever they deem a crime, you think there might be a fight against this back door practice of obama and biden? Personaly I would love to see them stood against a wall along with Pelosi reid and all of these czars he has appointed to slip all of these plans and shoot
The new military oath as I understand it makes soldiers swear obedience to NATO and it's commanders. I'll try to get a copy of it soon.
If that is the case Iwill get hold of my congressman and see what can be done to stop this. This sorry half breed is doing his best to selll us out to Nato and the Useless Nations because he doesn't know how to run a country or deal with war or a crisis. He has by passed congress and he and Hillary commited our air force to bomb Libia it is not his place to commit any thing without going through congress for approval. If Bush had done that the press would have hung him out to dry
We will never know if DAN Obuma is a real citizen because the so called press and that blow hard Bill O'Reilly of always looking out for you won't show the real birth certificate.In todays world you can go and get any forged copy of anything you want.I'll bet a white person can go get papers saying he's really black so he can get a job on the Dayton police or fire depts. because if your a minority and take a test you can be stupid.I was surprized that the test wasn't given in the way the minorities talk.(dawg,hoes,etc)
As much as I respect the FOX News Channel, Bill O'Reilly is acting like a "PinHead" on the Birth Certificate issue. Let's face it "Birthers" are Americans who want to know the truth, while smelling a rotten rat.
Hawaii was part of the problem, they started agreeing to the lie.
Is that lady news anchor Nancy Pelosi's sister?
What does he mean, (removing Nobama won't solve our problems!) Removing Nobama will solve a great many problems! We can then start to dismantle his destructive policies that are killing this country! Who0 is this guy? I agree with what he said about lakin, but he is totally off base with that Nobama comment!!!!
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE STORY ABOUT LAKIN SHOWING HIS B. C. THE ONLY THING SAID ABOUT THAT WAS EVERY TIME ANYONE DEPLOYS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SHOW A B.C. LAKIN SIMPLY SAID HE WANTED THE USURPER TO PROVE HE WAS A CITIZEN SO HE WOULD KNOW HIS ORDERS WERE LEGAL. THE USURPER COULD HAVE SETTLED THINGS THEN AND THERE IF HE WOULD HAVE PRODUCED A B. C. BUT YOU CAN'T SHOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE. THE MOST TROUBLING THING HERE IS THAT THESE SORRY GARBAGE BAGS THAT CALL THEMSELVES CONGRESSMEN SAT ON THEIR DEAD ASSES AND LET LAKIN GO TO PRISON INSTEAD OF CALLING ON THE USURPER TO COME CLEAN. YOU WOULD ALSO THINK IF THE USURPER ACTUALLY HAD PROOF HE WAS A CITIZEN HE WOULD SHOW IT INSTEAD OF LETTING SOME ONE GO TO JAIL. THIS WHOLE DAMN THING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN. MAYBE SOME ONE IN CONGRESS WILL GROW A SET OF BALLS OR GET OR GET SOME PLASTIC SURGERY ON THEIR BACKBONE AND TRY TO RIGHT THIS TERRIBLE WRONG. WE CAN ONLY HOPE
Your right Jim, but did you have to hurt my eyes with all caps? Not that that would stop me from giving you a plus, it's just that it's harder to read. I know it just looks like less leading in the font but it still hurts my eyes.
my apologies sir
Thanks Jim, I knew your were a considerate man. Lt Col Terry Lakin deserves to be defended by people like us. When this is over, and it's coming to a head quickly now, Lt Col Terry Lakin will be a National hero.
PLEASE GET obammy OUT OF OUR WHITEHOUSE AMERICA BEFORE HE DESTROYS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE MAY DESTROY EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The point is his words are good.
PLEASE GET obammy OUT OF OUR WHITEHOUSE AMERICA BEFORE HE DESTROYS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope this gives you a problem.
To late the damage has been done.
You don't say much do you.. but your always here making dust.
The George Soros Media Is Responsible For The "Kangaroo Court Martial" Of Lt Col Terry Lakin" This Communist Judge Denise Lind Denied Col Lakin The Right To Discovery, Yikeess, Something All Muslim Terriorist Recieve Free Of Charge, Yikeess, Thank You President Obamacare, "The American Eagle Has Been Replaced With The Skunk It Is Half Black And Half White And Everything It Does Stinks" Make This Imposter President Show His Long Form Birth Certificate And Col Lakin Is A Free American Hero AGAIN. God Bless America And Lt Col Terry Lakin.
"The American Eagle Has Been Replaced With The Skunk It Is Half Black And Half White And Everything It Does Stinks"
That's a good analogy Carol. We can change that, and will. He will be impeached soon from what I'm seeing. Ralph Nader and Rush just came out with videos today 3-20-11 implicitly decrying the same thing. Impeach him now.
"He will be impeached soon from what I'm seeing."
You're not seeing well, apparently. Not ONE member of Congress has spoken in favor of impeachment, and it would take 217 House members to vote for impeachment to achieve it. And even that wouldn't force him from office–51 members of the Democratic-controlled Senate would have to vote for that.
WRONG AGAIN DUMMY
Perhaps not to do with Barrry's Birth Certificate, but Barry's war seems to be putting an
interesting twist in things.
BIDEN FLASHBACK: 'If he gives authorization to war without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him!' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adpa5kYUhCA
Time for some Ellen style work:
Article Two, Section One of the U.S. Constitution:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”
Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution:
“Congress shall have power to … declare War”
Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution:
“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors”
Evidence
Barack Obama sent US military personnel into combat without prior authorization from Congress or an imminent attack on the United States.
Politics
Regardless of the US Constitution, Impeachment is a political act. Since the facts are absolutely clear, this case will depend of the definition of “High crimes and Misdemeanors” ergo politics. High crimes and Misdemeanors are whatever Congress impeaches a official for violating. The Impeaching party must evaluate the political consequences, congressional schedule, and likely chances of conviction. Barack Obama’s political support among Democrats is a kilometer wide and a nanometer deep. Democrats are disgusted by Obama continuing George Bush wars, wire-tapping, and illegal acts. Politically, it won’t take much to separate Obama and Senate Democrats. The odds are against conviction but the Senate may want to make a statement and/or reassert it’s Constitutional Rights. And Joe Biden would make a terrific President, at least a better President then Barack Obama, Mediator of the Free World. Politically, there is little downside for Speaker Boehner and enormous upside.
Conclusion
Impeach Obama now!
Update 08:55CST 3/22/2011
War Powers Act language:
§ 1541. Purpose and policy
(a) Congressional declaration
It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.
(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
By Request :
§ 1542. Consultation; initial and regular consultations
The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.
§ 1547. Interpretation of joint resolution
(a) Inferences from any law or treaty
Authority to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations wherein involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances shall not be inferred—
(1) from any provision of law (whether or not in effect before November 7, 1973), including any provision contained in any appropriation Act, unless such provision specifically authorizes the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into such situations and states that it is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of this chapter; or
(2) from any treaty heretofore or hereafter ratified unless such treaty is implemented by legislation specifically authorizing the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into such situations and stating that it is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of this chapter.
(b) Joint headquarters operations of high-level military commands
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to require any further specific statutory authorization to permit members of United States Armed Forces to participate jointly with members of the armed forces of one or more foreign countries in the headquarters operations of high-level military commands which were established prior to November 7, 1973, and pursuant to the United Nations Charter or any treaty ratified by the United States prior to such date.
(c) Introduction of United States Armed Forces
For purposes of this chapter, the term “introduction of United States Armed Forces” includes the assignment of members of such armed forces to command, coordinate, participate in the movement of, or accompany the regular or irregular military forces of any foreign country or government when such military forces are engaged, or there exists an imminent threat that such forces will become engaged, in hostilities.
(d) Constitutional authorities or existing treaties unaffected; construction against grant of Presidential authority respecting use of United States Armed Forces
Nothing in this chapter—
(1) is intended to alter the constitutional authority of the Congress or of the President, or the provisions of existing treaties; or
(2) shall be construed as granting any authority to the President with respect to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations wherein involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances which authority he would not have had in the absence of this chapter.
"The odds are against conviction "
It won't come to a Senate decision, I'll bet. The odds also are greatly against impeachment in the House. Democrats won't do it to a president of their own party. Republicans won't do it because they think war is a great solution for solving conflict. And as you also note, schedules come into play–none will waste time with this less than two years from their own re-election campaigns.
YOU ARE JOKING ABOUT BIDEN OF COURSE
Did you watch the Biden video?
Actually, I support your position that all military actions that amount to war should be formally declared by Congress. Therefore, I support the idea that Obama be impeached because of the Libya situation. However, there are those that disagree. Did you know that the Korean War was neither declared as a formal declaration of war nor authorized by Congress under legislation not formally labeled Declaration of War, such as the Tonkin Gulf Resolution?
So, I will write my senators and Congressman, who will laugh at me.
Still, it is important to stick up for a principle, and I assume that you will write your senators and congressman too.
BUT let me state that I am doing this on the basis of my believe that military actions that amount to war should be formally voted on as declarations of war by Congress, not on the absurd ideas that Obama was either born outside of the USA or that the citizenship of his father affects his Natural Born Citizen status.
Well said.
49 Democratic and two Independent left leaning Senators. But yes the Impeachment will not happen 2012 will get here quicker.
Actually it's 51 Dems and 2 lefty independents.
The contact information for the Col. is much appreciated but he was charged with willfully disobeying a direct order and all his defense was disallowed by the courts, in other words he was railroaded in a military kangaroo court. No one yet has come up witha reasonable explanation as to why the CIC does not have to exhibit a valid, certified BC and none of the media has barely whispered that fact. It was indeed the reason for the disobediance but the courts decided it was not reasonable even though the UCMJ specifically allows that question to be made, while the Col. BC was already intact with his enlistment.
Exactly! Thanks for hitting the nail squarely on the head.
This is a huge unjustified travesty of justice and should it ever be reversed, those who perpetrated this hoax need to serve their time in jail.
Re: "No one yet has come up witha reasonable explanation as to why the CIC does not have to exhibit a valid, certified BC and none of the media has barely whispered that fact. "
Answer: No president before Obama ever showed his birth certificate. In contrast, Obama did show his. He showed the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, which thousands of people use every year to prove that they were born in the USA. It is a valid, certified BC, and it is the only one that Hawaii sends out to anyone, even to people who were born before it became the official birth certificate of Hawaii in 2001.
The Media has covered the fact that Obama has shown his official birth certificate. For example, the Wall Street Journal said:
“The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.
In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues….
Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.”
And it concluded:
"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
It's your right to believe what you want, I want to have those I know put a valid copy of the Mystery Man's BC and his credentials where I can inspect them…say you don't happen to know his GPA or who sponsored his education do you, can you produce them?
Obama was the first and so far the only US president to show his official birth certificate. What was Bush's GPA? Clinton's? Bush41's? Reagan's?
Who sponsored Clinton's education? Reagan's? Ford's?
Eleen it's time you were asked, when you suck that swamp water up your nose, do you go to the swamp or does it come to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Ellen were do you get this fact that he is the only one that has ever shown it? I find this very hard to believe.
Ellen Bush's school record was all over the place, the Left leaning schools he attended did a huge paper dump while he was running for office because they all supported Al Gore. Let just say when it comes to most University they do not play fair when it is someone from the right.
It is a fact. If you do not believe it, find a posted birth certificate from some other president, or candidate (McCain's online "birth certificate" is a forgery done by McCain's enemies.)
Yes, Yale did leak Bush's record, but that does not make it the right thing to do, and as I said, Bush did not post it. Maybe Occidental or Columbia should leak Obama's record to make up for the leak of Bush's–but it is still morally wrong for a university to leak private information. Bush and Obama have the right to show or not to show their grades. However, if in the next election the Republican candidate shows her or his college transcript, it is highly likely that Obama will do the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
I'm pretty sure that would sum up what Barry's supposed teachers would say.
Oh, wait, I did find one of his teachers that remembers him, yeah him,
whasisname?
Said something about he wished he blew up more buildings.
What does this have to do either with regard to Obama's place of birth or his eligiblity?
If you think that Obama is dumb, you have the right to vote against him. But he still was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born Citizen due to his place of birth.
They won't leak Occidental cause he was Barry at that school and was going with free money. Also I believe he started Columbia as Barry to get more of that free money and once in the door jumped back to his other name because he had to use his US Citizenship to get something he needed at that time. He used his Dual Citizenship to get to where he need to be. It is as simple as survival. Yes;;;; no facts just speculation and can not be proven but this is a Free country and as the Left did to President Bush I am allow to say what ever I want. "Birth Certificate"
One term Barry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
LOOKS LIKE YOU WOULD GET TIRED OF REPEATING THE SAME LIE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER WITH NO END IN SIGHT. I WOULD GUESS IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT THE TRUTH IS. I GUESS THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOLLER (WHO TURNED OUT THE LIGHTS)
Yea, he's really a jerk troll, just like McPherson. I'd like to get them both tossed of for bad behavior.
You can try to get me "tossed," I suppose, and I don't blame you for doing so since you have no facts to counter anything I write and must instead rely on bluster and insults.
But since I'm one of the few people here not afraid to use his own name, and since I don't use foul language–and since I apparently drive up the readership here–I suspect I'll be around as long as I choose to be.
Hay Hay Teachers-Azz James Bond McPhewwww The George Soros "Look-Alike" Has Spoken, Yikeess, Stay Around Teach We Need To Laugh At Someone With More "Thumbs Down", Yippee, God Bless America And Sarah Palin.
OBAMA is 100% responsible for Lakin being in prison. All he had to do was produce the real long form birth certificate instead of paying two million in legal fees to hide all of his documents, the same documents we all have to produce at one time or another. But no, Obama is above the law. Lakin is a principled man who thinks our constitution really means something. It is actually unlawful to obey orders from a usurper and Obama proves everyday that he is just that. ZSince you can't impeach a sitting usurper he has to be removed in handcuffs and every order and appointment made is null and void. Guess Lakin will be in jail for the duration because there is not one politician or so called journalist who has the courage to stand up and speak out.
Obama has posted and shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it–that he was born in Hawaii in 1961–have been repeatedly confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
I live here and I know, YOU LIE
Here is a photocopy of Obama’s official birth certificate. Notice the seal on the back. Yes, it is on Factcheck’s site, but the idea that they could forge such a detailed document and the seal is laughable.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Here is confirmation that it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2011-03-20_12685370…
bad redirect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
DON'T TELL THAT DUMB ASS SHE LIES YOU WILL HERT HER FEELINGS
I know you live there Don. Too bad ellen doesn't get it.
Nice paintings of Maui, by the way. Nice use of the colorwheel and certainly
like your VW van!
We have a site there and at least one of the guys on the travel team is a native.
Next time he's around and I catch him, I'll try to get more info from him.
My boss also goes there on his vac. time at least once a year (off site) guess he
has some relatives there.
Something tells me your will be visiting here soon. Aloha.
Let me tell you how it went here in Hawaii. First we had a governor called Lingle. She couldn't find any proof of Obama being born here. Than there was an office manager in the birth certificate devision who said there was no birth certificate. Then a 20 year "F" rated senator (that means he voted the way he was told to vote not the way we wanted him to vote) up and quit the senate to come here to run for governor, because he wanted to help us. That sounds fishy enough, you should have seen his flashy ads. He outspent our nominee and he's now our governor. Now the birth certificate has been found.
Now all of a sudden not only did they find it but two employees said they saw it. Of course no one else saw it but they have a photo of it as proof and ellen believes them.
You should go to her links if you want a laugh. On the top of her 1st link are the "I saw it quotes" The second link is a blank page, the 3rd link quotes why it can't be shown, the 4th link says Lingle said he was born in Kapi'olani Hospital, which was disproved long ago, in 5th link the Washington Post article they tell you it's a lie. Somebody must be paying her which makes her a dedicated troll.
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and three Republican officials have confirmed the facts on it. Both the former Republican governor, Linda Lingle, and this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) have said that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. It has not been disproved that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital. In fact the statements by Linda Lingle and the witness are good confirmation that he was born in Kapiolani.
Lingle never said that she could not find proof that Obama was born in Hawaii (nor did Abercrombie, by the way. Only WND said that he said it, and he didn't).
IN addition to the official birth certificate and the confirmations by THREE Republican officials (a total of four including the original clerk), there are the notices of birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. Birthers claim that these were advertisements placed by the grandmother. But they weren't. They could not be because Hawaii newspapers did not accept short birth notice ads in those days. They only published the notices sent to them by the department of vital records, which only sent them out for births IN Hawaii. At this point birthers claim that the grandmother could have lied about the location of birth to the department of vital records and gotten a birth certificate and that generated the notices in the newspapers.
But this also cannot be true because Hawaii DID NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations. It demanded a witness statement from a doctor or midwife or other witness whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
In addition to that, there is the interview with Obama's Kenyan grandmother (who by the way never said that he was born in Kenya) that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Blah, bla, blaw, blaw.
Can you show us anything new that you haven't already copied and pasted
a couple thousand times since I started subscribing to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiIPe9ow-BI
You have not said anything to prove that these facts are false. You haven't even tried.
Ok, it's false that a politician would lie.
It's false that open office can't print a document on a laser printer.
It's false that a newspaper would wait 10 days to print an anouncement.
It's false that fact check would put something on the web without
William Ayers and George Soros' approval.
I guess you want me to respond to some blabel about the three points
of the THREE Republicans, not just any official, but they were
REPUBLICANS not just one, not two, but THREE!!
Now I can say my ABC's!
Brilliant.
Sure politicians can and do lie, but rarely for the other party and rarely when if they are found out they could be put in jail.
The document was not forged, as the McCain campaign investigated and decided.
FactCheck published an image of the Obama birth certificate, but the idea that FactCheck could have forged it is completely loony.
And how do you account for the notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. They were NOT ads, the newspapers did not print birth notice ads at the time. They were notices from the department of vital records, which did not send out such notices for births outside of Hawaii, and which insisted on a witness statement whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
Now you have TRIED, but you did not try very hard or very well. And the facts do not support your position, which is why you mock them.
ELLEN HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING DUMMER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS
You are not discussing the facts.
http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2011-03-20_12685370…
Bad redirect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Just the facts, maam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
LIKEWISE
Friday, Sgt. Joe Friday.
Just the facts maam!
Los Angeles – City of Angels
"Yes We Can", OOPS that was 2008 chant. here the 2012 one "Oh no I didn't"
He would have President Bush to run against in 2012 either. I know you say you really don't support him but if he is the only Democrat on the ballet you will vote for him won't you.
I take one thing back I think he will play the Bush card again next year. Why cause he is a LIAR.
And he'll say something about the past 8 years!
Back of the bus, Barry!
Ju, ju, just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.
http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2011-03-20_12685370…
bad redirect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Bring your Congressmen and Senators home, they are not doing their job where they are. They have another power over them telling them what to do. Impeach Obama now, no to Obamacare and no to the NWO.
I guess I got blacklisted for some reason unbeknownest to me. My last three comments were not posted and for no reason I can relate to, so if you can't read this one I guess I'm finished here. It's been a challenge to keep up anyway. See Ya Folks! Sumerian Man
P.S. Yeah, I know, kind a silly sending a comment no one can read. But Hey, who knows, maybe my computer is possessed! Really.
Sometimes mine are delayed. I don't know, but check back later for the spots where you
posted. Perhaps the server was busy. That seems to be when I find mine disappearing
and showing up later.
I tried to post this two days ago from an email notification and it didn't get posted either, I'll try it again now.
Everything you say (Jerk) is said to protect your butt and initiate a response. Your a phyco masochist, I hate getting caught up in it ever. I'll count your creditability for you clown face.
Your first comment: "Nowhere in this video from God"
You mess with my God again McJerk and you'll really piss me off. Maybe there is more than me here that want's you gone. I'm "Reporting" you for this you progressive racist.
Your posts in just this thread. -71 0
Your first post comment started the thread "(as the twit says, while goofy guest says "right" )" -20, 2nd, -6 3rd, -3 4th, -6 5th, -3 6th, -4 7th, -2 8th, -2 (I mis-voted) you lucked out. 9th, -4 10th, -2 11th, -5 12th, -2 13th, -4 14th, -2 15th, -1 16th, -5
Other commenters' posts responding to the jerk and not liking him. Total 87 against you.
The shoe is on the other foot now and it doesn't feel good does it? 10
Really? Let me help you. Up until this video there hasn't been a media piece the public could see that identified the issue from the side of LTC Lakin. 6
That's the shoe and that's only one mans opinion, yours 4
The bigger questions here James are who are you & Who is Obama? Like Obama your fake credentials just do not fly ! 4
It won't fix the problem? If Obama is found ineligible the fallout will wipe out the establishment parties. 19
Hey DUMB ASS.You're about a STUPID as James "the ignorant ass" McPherson. 4
Discovery is the life you jerk. Back in your box fella!!!!
Hay Hay Teachers-Azz James Bond McPhewwww 1
Actually I do 3
Hay Hay ACLU Horses-Azz You Must Be Related To Thumbs Down Teachers-Azz James Bond Both Sound Like Good Old Boys Of The Conscientious Objector Obama Union Goons 1
HELLO IDIOT OBAMA SHOULD BE IN JAIL 13
You don't say much do you.. but your always here making dust. 4
Lol! James it took me awhile before i realized that @ignatzz was nothing more than another of the many aliases which you use on this site 3
Jerk 4
"Other people keep pointing out to you that you're obviously clueless about supposed "aliases," 4
I would say it's more likely a New Yorker. 4
Now Drop Dead. God Bless America And Col Lakin.
Your a true American skipfoss, and you too drftrapani. James on the other hand is a progressive troll that enjoys instigating problems here. 3
AMEN 1
The point is his words are good. 3
So you see McJerk, everyone posting on this thread hates your guts. Your a traffic jam you masochistic egotistic jerk. I hope more people Report every one of your posts to show you how a democracy works.
I'm not quite so sure the professor is the one using aliases. I think it's relatively easy
for other liberals to subscribe.
I take note of certain patterns, plus I think the ex-journalist (once a journalist – always
a journalist) likes to rack up his brownie points from WordPress.
I don't know how the thumbs up/down comes into play with the points and I would
rather not register myself.
I definately see a pattern with the different variations of ellene/ellana/ellen/granite and
am trying to figure if a few other names may be same person (@ignatzz, montana, etc.),
but haven't identified any clear connections yet. Therefore, I do think it is possible that
there are a few libs that either subscribed or get linked here.
That Whitworth University has quite a few students and being a liberal arts college
may indeed be where most of the other posters come from.
"I think the ex-journalist … likes to rack up his brownie points from WordPress"
That's silly, Gary. The fastest way to rack up points would be to comment on blogs where most people agree with me. I registered under my own name and contact info simply because I think it's cowardly to hide behind a pseudonym, and that the comments of anyone who does so cannot be taken seriously.
"being a liberal arts college"
That's funny. You do realize that "liberal arts" and "liberal" aren't the same thing, right? And since I teach at a Christian university, most of the students (and faculty and staff) are far more conservative than I am (like the Southern Baptist with whom I co-host a radio program).
In fact, the number of liberals posting here is pretty small, though it may seem more substantial because the nuber of conservatives also is small–I'll bet you could name most of them yourself, at least by their pseudonyms.
Yes you would be in a little friendlier turf about 2oo plus miles to the left coast. I spent 2 years trying to clean up Han-ford site for you, back some time ago. Note I stated "Trying". My Daughter and I use to spend the weekend ex poring the Seattle and surrounding area. Seattle is pretty cool even the bums are polite. Han-ford is a different animal for sure.
As for Liberal Arts, My daughter got her first degree in that and is finishing her second now. Just for the record, she leans more right than I do. So I know what the meaning of that is. And yes you are in the Conservative part of that state.
Hey Don, I don't hate Mc Phearson, in fact I think he has a real chance of being a good contributor to this site. But first he has to get his ass out of whatever liberal school he teaches at and into real life to see all the damage the liberal left has done to real working Americans. I think he's trying to find a job he can comfortably retire to once his tenure is up, ergo Journalism! He's obviously very capable at getting responses from people, albeit harsh ones. In journalism any response is a good thing. Now if he would only realize the error of his ways and pick a side instead of blowing smoke at everyone, he could be a real asset to helping get this country back on the straight and narrow. America needs all the help it can get and guys like Mc Phearson can really help if they choose to, or they can just keep blowing smoke.
Your right, I shouldn't have said hate, I should have said "dislike his views". I was worked up and not thinking. I don't hate anyone, but I don't like his progressive viewpoints. Thanks for pointing that out.
Your a good man Don, I know you are.
"I don't hate anyone, but I don't like his progressive viewpoints."
I can live with that. I don't hate anyone, either–I just dislike many of their views, and care very little what they think of me (especially those who don't know me).
"first he has to get his ass out of whatever liberal school he teaches at and into real life to see all the damage the liberal left has done to real working Americans"
Since I teach at a Christian university, most of the students (and faculty and staff) are far more conservative than I am (like the Southern Baptist with whom I co-host a radio program).
"I think he's trying to find a job he can comfortably retire to once his tenure is up, ergo Journalism! "
Sorry, my tenure won't be "up" until I choose to retire, probably years from now. And having worked as a journalist previously, I have no desire to do so again. And by the way, before I went back to school I worked on farms, in sawmills, and in factories, so I actually have a pretty good idea what "real working Americans" go through. In fact, I'm still one of them.
Yeah, that's all great, but are you going to quit picking on everyone's imperfections or are you going to try to help keep America for Americans? Obviously journalists are supposed to be unbiased (hard to keep a straight face here) but everyone shouldmust have a personal opinion on the atrocities going on in the United States currently and voice that opinion as loudly as possible. We must be heard! Before I came to this blog tonight I had to sign onto half a dozen petitions and grievences directed at our government agencies, just a small gesture on my part but an effort none the less. I hope and ask everyone else to try to do the same, you too! Blogging is cool, but action always speaks louder than words.
"Blogging is cool, but action always speaks louder than words."
For sure. That's why I've also signed petitions, participated in rallies, donated money to causes, and volunteered for political campaigns.
Your words are wise, why degrade them with vulgar terms. They are not necessary here and only degrade your comments. Just a suggestion. I read until I see vulgar words then i skip to the next post. As for blowing smoke both the right and the left are quite equal on that topic. We need a new third party that could just take control of one of the following three. House, Senate, or White House. The two we have been changing back and forth with only cost us extra money to change back a forth to the same policies they have been using for years.
"We get no change, we only get the same". From both sides.
I think I'll use that one liner in my next rap records. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
QQ Most Polls are all wrong and only are for the purpose of person seeking the results they want to sell you the Snake oil. Grasshopper. WB.
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2…
Yeah, I saw the Kucinich comments–and stand by what I wrote. Even he has not spoken in favor of impeachment, though he did say (probably incorrectly) that Obama's Libyan action is an impeachable offence. It's cool to see you quoting Kucinich,, though.
James McPherson, give me the name of that Christian university, I'd love to let them know your PROGRESSIVE viewpoints are not widely excepted and are mostly deplored. I don't think you are worthy of teaching college James McPherson. JAMES MCPHERSON
You are one of the ones to get rid of along with Obama. Follow the Constitution, audit the Fed and bring the troops home now.
I like A_pen's post. it has as more pluses (20) than you have minus (23).
"If Obama is found ineligible the fallout will wipe out the establishment parties. That will fix the system enought to reset the education of Americans so they know how to participate and hold their government accountable for each and every violation of the law. We the People are down 14 to nothing in redress with a court blocking any further movement. That court is also blocking the constitutional mandates from being law of the land. That one little piece of paper is all that stands in the way between a rebirth of American sovereignty or it's final death."
Good enough? http://www.whitworth.edu/generalinformation/conta…
http://collegestats.org/college/whitworth-univers…
http://news.whitworth.edu/2011/03/communication-p…
http://news.whitworth.edu/2010/05/whitworthian-na…
Good enough breadcrumb!
http://collegestats.org/college/whitworth-univers…
Total Students 2,607
In all of these endeavors, the university seeks to advance its founder's mission of equipping students to "honor God, follow Christ and serve humanity."
But here in this thread jerk says "Nowhere in this video from God knows where does it blame…"
(It seems there is a conflict between respecting God and respecting His name with Associate Professor James McPherson, who does neither)
You wouldn't know the right person to send this link to would you breadcrumb?
Percent of Students on Financial Aid 99%
Contact Us: For press inquiries, business development, general questions, and concerns please use the contact form below. Questions about data maybe answered on the "about" page.
NO FORM INCLUDED "below"
Whitworth communication professors with differing political views, Mike Ingram and Jim McPherson, have launched a new radio show, Civil Disagreement, on Whitworth.fm. Rather than facing off in the supposed right and left wing battles that may be expected, McPherson and Ingram strive to provide something different.
"Both of us have been frustrated with the nastiness and political rigidity of much of what passes for discourse in America," McPherson says. "We hope to promote wider recognition that disagreement need not be mean-spirited or personal. It can be good-natured and sometimes even funny."
So your a professional debater bringing progressive ideas that don't follow the Constitution to your students that take financial aid to hear your talk your style of BS. That's about what I gleaned from Whitworth U. It sounds like a free degree to the students and a soapbox for you.
Just what you both need. Meanwhile the State takes a financial beating and university makes money and the students have to take your brand of unconstitutional teachings that your are promoting by getting a right-wing to go along with your bantering. Your a sick puppy James Jerk.
And you've demonstrated very well why my conservative buddy and I thought there was a need for the radio show. And thanks, breadcrumb (Gary or ireuel, I presume?) for providing the link about the student newspaper I advise. (http://news.whitworth.edu/2010/05/whitworthian-named-top-student.html)
If you actually spend some time reading the newspaper site, you'll see that its editorial positions–like most of my students–are mostly conservative. So much for liberal indoctrination.
I'm always amazed by how little respect conservatives have for the ability of young adults to think for themselves, after they've been shaped by their home lives. Most of my students are conservatives as incoming freshmen and still conservatives as graduation seniors.
"It sounds like a free degree to the students"
Hardly. Most are getting some financial aid. Almost all still pay more than they would at a state institution.
You're link didn't work right, but linking from the above article it seems that there
isn't much that really shows any political leaning
How to plan an on-campus Valentines date, Preview: Legally Blonde The Musical,
Fun in the Snow, Women's and Men's B-ball.
The only thing that even hints at anything political: http://www.whitworthian.com/opinions/opinion-pali…
And I really can't tell where Katie leans on this, but it sounds like she picked up
something from you.
Audry sounds like she shares a lot with you: http://www.whitworthian.com/news/wikileaks-shines…
and I imagine that you would agree with Kara: http://www.whitworthian.com/news/dreaming-of-a-be…
Other than those, I didn't see much else political.
Well, on a national level anyway. Saw some local stuff that really wasn't much
concern to me.
You're right that they mostly worry about local actvities–it's a school weekly, after all. My link merely went to the press release about the paper being named the top non-daily student paper in the country last year.
In fact, while most students here identify themselves as conservatives, like students everywhere they tend not to follow news or politics nearly as much as I think they should.
Wasn't me. You can go to the link just by clicking on your picture.
I follow the you can't fix stupid.
No i just think he may not know where the "Caps Lock" key is. It may just be as simpleton as that. Freedom of speech is protected in many cases and this is one that is acceptable. It is not the content of the post but the character of the postie.
Hay Ellen.
A little smile out to you and good luck on the mission.
Hay Hay ACLU Atheist Closet Teachers-Azz James Bond Lying Again, Yikeess, I Quess The Quaran Is A Hate Filled "Holy Book" That Inspires Terrorism, "For Which I Thank GOD On A Regular Basis, Yikeess, Sounds Like Pres Obamacare Kool-Aid Again Teach. God Bless America And Sarah Palin POTUS.
Aww, it sounds like your a precious angle that got trampled on by an unobserving by-passer. Fat chance, your clever with words and a lier. When you change your face and back the Constitution you can join the good guys. Until than wolf in sheeps wrap your an outcast.
What kind of game are you playing? ROTFLMAO, who are you kidding? You may know what that means, no one else does, hence the zero plus or minus.
As you said and I liked, " Just a suggestion. I read until I see vulgar words then i skip to the next post."
I don't think we are kids here and don't play kids games. Well, most of us aren't doing this for fun and games like the jerk says he is. So spell it out.
ROTFLMAO= Rolling On The Floor Laughing My (insert three letter word of fro rear end and starts with A) Off.
THis is just a game my friend, Have you really seen some of the mindless post iat this site, these are what the left our documenting the birth issue as crazy, so do not assume it is all a game to me I want Barry to be the Best one term President he can be. That is my game.
Have a nice day.
Oh, would you have anything against him being removed before the next election? He has committed some egregious impeachable offenses besides lying about what he planned on and did do.
No but that will be impossible, I believe our best bet is send him home a a one term President. That is more embarrassing than impeachment, ask Jimmy carter, George SR.
They just don't get no respect.
Although George SR had some very important jobs in the government like CIA Director, so I give him a little pass sometimes.
You have every right to vote against him in the next election, meaning to vote for his opponent. I may even join you. But Obama was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born US citizen.
Don, you pretty much pointed out who is playing the real game around here.
It is kinda fun to play the game back.
Both me and ireuel are getting a kick out of some of the people around here
that you yourself already pointed out.
The BC is serious business, and just as much as the Barry defenders try to portray
birthers as crazy nuts, I see a very comical side in their attempts to cover for Barry.
esp. all of ellen/elene/ellene/ellana/granite/whoever gets me ROTFLMAO too.
Acronyms, I'm still learning them myself. It's a different world where everybody's
going around "texting" and using these acronyms everywhere, but I'm catching up.
Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly.
Yes James sometimes I can't understand some on the right. It is getting harder to try to stay in the middle were this country seems to be best run from. We have become more divided as a country since the 1990's than any other time in my life. Shame isn't it..
It is, indeed. Each side claims the other is mean-spirited and wants to shut down free speech–and then far too often each relies on insults and threats to try to shut down the other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Dah, da, dum, dum, dawm.
Just the facts maam.
Just call me Friday, Sgt. Joe Friday.
Facts probably would be meaningless to you, but someone else who is reading this may find them useful. They prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.
ONE MORE TIME STUPID THAT PIECE OF PAPER WAS ISSUED IN HAWAII NO WHERE DOES IT SAY HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII
The Certification of Live Birth very clearly states that he was born in Honolulu, which is in Hawaii.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
This fact has been confirmed repeatedly by three Republican officials in Hawaii.
And there were birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, and these were not ads. The papers did not accept birth ads in those days. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not send them out for births outside of Hawaii and which did not accept “walk in” or “call in” birth registrations but demanded a witness statement whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
Agreed!
Since Barry Bush has the power to call a military strike without
anybody's authority, he oughta be able to tell Hawaii to fork it over.
Even if he wasn't acting like a power hungry, bossy, dictator, that
he does in all other areas, he could even politely ask Hawaii to
give him a photocopy of original and I think that him being Pres.
(whether nice or bossy) it would be something that would be quickly
and courteously tended to.
Berth Cert. !
Been waiting a couple weeks for this one. QQ
Hey, it's been staying pretty active too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU
But they didn't have a computer generated, laser printed one when he
was born!
First, Obama could not end it today if he released the original, if he could–which he CANT. It would not go away because birthers have already said that they would claim that the original was forged and/or switch to the two-fer approach (All NBCs have to have two citizen parents).
Second, he can't. He cannot release the original because he does not have it. Hawaii did not send it to him in 2007. It sent him the official birth certificate, which is what it sends to everyone.
Third, the official birth certificate, especially with the repeated confirmation of the officials in Hawaii, is sufficient to prove that he was born in Hawaii.
If you want to give up, that is fine. The facts do not support your case.
http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama
And this
http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct_archive/jan05…
And this:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-05-15-…
And this
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/reco…
And this:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_obamaessay….
And this:
http://www.college.columbia.edu/news/barack-obama…
Ellen this original is still on file of micro-fiche from 1961 and will be until the end of time. micro-fiche is something we used prior to scanner printer, and faxes.
You know back in the day long long time ago. If there were a original it would be recoverable from a micro-fiche file and good old fashion fire proof safes like we did back then. See we didn't have stuff like we do today. And your short form theory is BS. all information is still stored even today, you know Doctor, Hospital and parents information. But it still leads back to the ORIGINAL even today. So selling snake oil to prove himself is a total distractions.
Yes, we are in complete agreement that the original is on file. In fact two Republican officials have seen it, and have stated that it is in Obama's file and that it VERIFIES that he was born in Hawaii. (It may be in microfiche as well as the paper copy in the file,)
However, Hawaii adopted the policy of not sending out copies of the original back in 2001 when it made the new short-form certification the official document. The official document is sufficient, and this is especially true with the confirmation of three officials.
For Hawaii to send a copy of the original to Obama, it would have to change its regulations, and no only for Obama but for everyone, or it would be unfair to the others. And why should it. The new short-form birth certificate works just fine. Thousands of people use it every year to get their US passports.
Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy. The Republican speaker of the house and the Republican majority leader both believe that Obama was born in the USA. So does John McCain, Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Huckabee and Rudy Guliani. I'm probably leaving out a few.
The reason is that the official birth certificate of Hawaii is perfectly adequate to prove birth in the USA. Thousands of people use it every year. That is what Obama has shown. In addition, the facts on his birth certificate were confirmed repeatedly by THREE Republican officials, and there is this witness who recalls being told of his birth in Hawaii http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495….
Moreover, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961 (and those were not ads. The newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not issue notices unless there was proof of birth in Hawaii [They did NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations.]).
And finally, IF a child were born in any other country than the USA, she or he would need a US visa or to be entered on the mother’s US passport in order to be allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama, it would have to have been applied for, and the files of the applications for it would still exist–and NO SUCH DOCUMENT HAS BEEN FOUND.
If I were far left I would call for a group hug right about now. But three guys hugging just ain't my thing. Not that theirs anything wrong with that except with me. I won't ask and that way I can't tell, cause I really don't want to know and it ain't no business of mine unless my Tax dollars are being spent on it.Thank you very Much.
For Orders to be legitimate they must be "Lawful Orders" and that is the crux of Lakin's defense. He was denied in his trial what every American is entitled to, "discovery of the facts". Lakin has standing now doesnt he? LETS SEE THE AUTHORITY OBAMA HAS TO ISSUE ORDERS!
Lt Col Terry Lakin is serving time for questioning the legitimacy of this Commander in Chief, and by all appearances, Col Lakin was indeed correct, yet still no Justice!. Gov Abercrombie (Hawaii) further validated Col Lakins claim with the revelation that no "long form" Birth Certificate exists in his state. Lakin, a decorated veteran languishes in Military Prison A victim of Obama's narcissism and ill will he holds for the Military and our Constitution. Lakin's name and deed should be shouted in the faces of those who stand and take the Oath of Office and be reminded of their duty, for Lt Col Terrance Lakin IS a "political prisoner", as a result of Obama's lies and conspiracies.
The order "go to Afghanistan" was given to Lakin by a superior officer, a full colonel or a general, not by Obama. The War in Afghanistan is a legal war, and it does not become illegal even if the president were not born in Hawaii (which he was). Hence the birth certificate of the president is irrelevant to the issue of whether Lakin disobeyed an order.
Abercrombie said no such thing. WND said that he said it, and he didn't say it. Moreover, we know that the original birth certificate is in Obama's file in Hawaii, as has been stated in written press releases by two Republican officials.
Obama's authority is based on the fact that he won the election in November 2008 and that this was repeated by the Electoral College (without Obama losing a single vote from the total that he won in the general election, so not one Elector believed the birther crap) and that he was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress (so not one member believed the birther crap), and that he was sworn in by that RINO, the Chief Justice of the United States.
Obama is not Article II constitutionally eligible to be the President and Commander of our military. Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen” to constitutional standards. Obama’s father was NOT a U.S. Citizen. Obama’s father was not an immigrant to the United States. Obama’s father was a foreign national, a British Subject. Obama is the child of an alien father who was sojourning in the U.S. attending college. Obama was born a British Subject via his father and is still such to this day. Obama has never conclusively proved he was born in Hawaii. Obama’s paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and newspapers in Kenya say he was born in Kenya. Obama’s maternal grandmother likely falsely and illegally registered him as born in Hawaii to get him, her new foreign-born grandson, U.S. Citizenship.
That's the way I read it also.
The reason that the US Congress confirmed Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY is that not one single member in the 535 believes this crap. The reason that Obama received all the votes in the Electoral College that he won in the general election is that not one single Elector believes this crap.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Re Kenya. Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate from Hawaii shows, and as three Republican officials in Hawaii have confirmed, and there were notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and those were not ads. The newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not issue notices unless there was proof of birth in Hawaii [They did NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations.]).
Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii "where his father was studying at the time,' and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Re: "But as the person that the Birth Certificate is for can receive a Certified copy of the original. "
Answer. No the person can only receive a certified copy of the new, official birth certificate of Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth. Not a copy of the original.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606…
What part of "No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" (the original birth certificate) anymore" don't you get?
What part of "The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii" don't you get.
The issue HAS been resolved. In addition to the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the facts on the birth certificate have been confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
Re: "He is The President of the United States and has the power to get said CERTIFIED COPY OF THE ORIGINAL …'
What part of Hawaii does not send out Certificates anymore don't you get? What part of the Certification being the official birth certificate don't you get.
Obama has proven that he was born in the USA, in Hawaii, and that was confirmed by Congress UNANIMOUSLY and Obama received every single electoral vote that he won in the general election. Not one Elector or Congressman believed that Obama was born outside of the USA.
Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy. The Republican speaker of the house and the Republican majority leader both believe that Obama was born in the USA. So does John McCain, Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Huckabee and Rudy Guliani. I'm probably leaving out a few.
Re: "I mean you are telling me The President of the United States can not get a Copy of the original. Please. "
Answer: Yes. Since Hawaii does not send out the original to anyone else, it would be unfair to send it just to him. And he would be unfair to ask for something that Hawaii does not send to anyone else.