A retired Army colonel and a professor of history at the University of Kansas have co-written an article instructing the U.S. Army how to properly destroy “…extremist militia [insurgents] motivated by the goals of the ‘tea party’ movement.”
Colonel Kevin Benson, who teaches modern warfare to soldiers at the University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Ft. Leavenworth and Associate Professor Jennifer Weber have created a scenario in which activists under the influence of that apogee of American terrorism—Tea Party members—“…take over the government of Darlington, South Carolina, occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council, and placing the mayor under house arrest.”
How exactly do the authors explain such a thing happening? “After a change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012, the governing party cuts off all funding that had been dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief.” In short, those evil, rich Republicans have cruelly separated the American public from all of the “free” money and services Big Brother has provided over the past several decades. As a result, “a high-profile and vocal minority has directed the public’s fear and frustration at nonwhites and immigrants.” For as we all know, “after almost ten years of race-baiting and immigrant-bashing by right-wing demagogues, nearly one in five Americans reports being vehemently opposed to immigration, legal or illegal, and even U.S.-born nonwhites have become occasional targets for mobs of angry whites.”
Of course, Benson and Weber make it clear that “mainstream” Americans and politicians react quite negatively to the aggression of the radical right. The insurgents, however, “…invoke the Declaration of Independence and argue that the current form of the federal government is not deriving its ‘just powers from the consent of the governed’…” As a result, they are joined in their maniacal overthrow of the true government by “…other tea party groups, militias, racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan, anti-immigrant associations such as the Minutemen, and other right-wing groups.”
The name of this extraordinary piece of work is “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future”. And needless to say, its publication has created something of a stir among rational, non-impaired thinkers across the nation. Most ask a very pointed question: Why are conservatives targeted as the coming threat to the social and political order of the United States rather than Islamic terrorists or members of the radical left? Shouldn’t those who have already proven themselves eager participants in the art of murder and insurrection be the first to command the attention of law enforcement, whether public or military?
Well not if we remember the published warnings of Barack Obama’s Department of Homeland Security. According to Janet Napolitano and her boss, the REAL danger emanates from the:
“Extreme right-wing: groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack and is either lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.”
According to much of the Department’s description of would-be terrorists, this nation’s Founders would have been in real trouble with the Obama Regime!
Please take the time to read the 5 page, Full Spectrum article of Benson and Weber. It is a chilling reminder of just how important the November election really is.
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Please be careful with articles like this. I’m a teaparty member, former military, a military spouse, and mom of an active-duty Army daughter: military families are usually very conservative. I can’t picture my daughter and her co-workers calmly taking out their families, friends, and neighbors. I don’t believe it would ever come to that.
Truly pointed out. I cannot believe that the government can come up with enough armed bandits to quell a revolution made up by Tea Party members or any by any other American Patriot organized to fight tyranny by our own government. Bullets do not kill people, it takes people firing those bullets to kill people. How many military men and women and law enforcement officers would revolt and turn their weapons towards a tyrannical government, I bet the Colonel never thought about that probability. How about our own citizens who armed armed. When push gets to shove I would not like to be on the inside of Foggy Bottom. Naval Marshal General Isoroku Yamamoto Nippon Imperial Navy who was the architect of the raid on Pearl Harbor in 1942 once said “I would never send my soldiers into America as there is a rifle behind every blade of grass.” No, I do not think that there are enough assassins in our government to stop a revolution. To pull it off in Germany in the 1930′s and later in the Soviet Union they disarmed the people first, here the government has a problem although they keep trying to kill our Second Amendment. As Thomas Jefferson said “The tree of Liberty from time to time must be refreshed with the blood of Tyrants and Patriots.”
“How many military men and women and law enforcement officers would revolt”
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Well, I guess it would be the same number who did it by now KNOWING that 0bama has no rights to be a President: Lt. Col. Terry Lakin and a few The Brave Ones. The rest continue following orders.
You see, in order to resist you HAVE to disregard the law. Are you personnaly ready to do that? Yeah, that’s what I thought…
“It can never happen here”.
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I’M a combat vietnam vet and i will personnaly go against the law and defend the U.S.CONSTITUTION and my COUNTRY against this COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT and i will kill any military personel that follow orders from obama.I was born free and i will die free.
LIVE FREE OR DIE
@boone1 – Got your 6.
As a fellow ‘Nam Vet, allow me to give you what we didn’t get from an ungrateful nation: WELCOME HOME!
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Boone,
I am not a Vietnam combat veteran, but I am a Vietnam era veteran and I swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all “ENEMIES” foreign and DOMESTIC. The current administration will play hell trying to take my weapons from me without a fight. Drawer22, I have your back, too. Semper Fi!
@Marine_Corps_Vet – We’re singing from the same sheet of music, and I’m the prouder for it! My oath to the Constitution of the United States of America was never rescinded, and by it I am honor-bound. Sure am glad we’re on the same team!
With well-trained, dedicated, and committed Veterans, paramilitary and other civilians can be recruited and educated in the practice of Unconventional Warfare, should that become necessary. I pray that it does not come to that extreme, but conventional military forces are historically no match for cellularized guerrilla groups. (Think American Revolution.)
King Leonidas of Sparta at the Battle of Thermopylæ had it right: μολὼν λαβέ
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I Agree, While the Political Powers that be may have Set aside the Constitution, I as you Sir, did Indeed Swear an Oath to My GOD and the CONSTITUTION that the Powers that be take for granted.
hope that is soon
LIKE YA’LL I TOOK THE SAME OATH AND WILL DO MY DUTY TILL I AM NO MORE 2 TOURS RVN FROM DELTA TO HIGH LANDS STINGER ARMED ESCORT PLATOON YOU CALL WE KILL
SAEP FOR EVER
No police officer or miitary officer is required to follow hese orders. The highest law in the land is the United States Constitution, and every action and every law MUST conform to the provisions of that document OR it is not law AND noone is bound by it. These people need toread the 16th Jurisprudence relating to the Constitutionality of a law.
The Patriot Act, and all similar acts that ave been through the Congress may appear to be law BUT if they violate the Constitution they can not possibly be law. Think about it, by what authority does the Conress use to support an unconstitutional law? There is no authority.
Further, all laws must be Constitutonal AND they must be signed by the President. It is evident now that Obama is not legally the President of the Uiited States he simply does not meet the Constitutional requirements. Get a copy of “How Our Laws are Made” from the United States Congress.
After WWII the Germans were not allowed to use as a defense the fact that they were following orders. If the orders are not Constitutional then both the Police and the Military are breaking the law, not the people. Our Government has been infiltrated by Communists and they are attempting to take our Country, and if the Police or Military help them then they are guilty of treason. If I were Police or Military I would look up the Federal statutes on treason and misprison of treason. Remember you took an oath to protect your country for all enemies foreign and domestic.
Read the Constitution read the Declaratin of independence and the Fedralist papers. By doing so your eyes will be opened and you will have a better understanding of whats happening. Finally, ask yourself this simple question, if we have so many enemies and they hate the evil satan called America why is it that there is not a single Representative in this country that is afraid to move around unescorted. If our Government is so hated by them why don’t they attack those buildings with their suicide bombers.
If it were me I would be assassinating every single Representative I could get my hands on. On last comment, why did the Pentagon hold a special lunch at the Pentagon for one of the Imams that was a known terrorrist.
Don’t turn on your people because if you survive you and your family will be considered traitors to your country for as long as you live. Trust me I know a man that happend to and he ended up having to leave his country even though he was fightig to try and rid it of Communism.
Right-On The Only Terrorists We Worry About Are In The Obamacare White House!!! Nov Election Will Take Care Of Them, Without A Shot Fired!!! God Bless America And The Real Tea party Patriots.
I still think some shots will be fired. Just in case I will be ready. All my neighbors agree to shut down or street its only one block no one allowed on the street but home owners . and we are arm in need to be.
that is lovely.. can;t wait for the national guard to come visit your little enclave
Hi Don, just in case your interest, I have some SIGN’s for sale that say ” THIS HOME IS A GUN FREE ZONE ” If your interested in one. Might be a good thing to have when the UN Troops come to Your Neighborhood.
@TruthIsLight – As a Veteran of two voluntary combat tours, I sympathize with your not wanting your daughter and her friends hurt for attempting to carry out unlawful orders of their superiors in rank. Usurpation of the 2d Amendment to our Constitution of the United States of America WAS carried out by military personnel in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Americans, seeing the possibility of Nazi- and Stalinist-inspired tactics in action being repeated post-Katrina, are psychologically better prepared to take on military thugs the next time around.
Your efforts at keeping your daughter and her friends safe would be better used educating them in what their oath to our Constitution of the United States of America means and what constitutes an unlawful order. Please heed this recommendation, as I have no desire to see your daughter and her friends hurt or killed while criminally violating their oaths.
As King Leonidas of Sparta communicated to King Xerxes of Persia at the Battle of Thermopylæ in 480BC: μολὼν λαβέ. May your daughter and her friends take intelligent heed as, cogito, ergo armatus sum.
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You are totally crazy.
The crazy one is the demented, socially sick, unfit to be called an Officer, Colonel! I am a 34 year military retiree and still consider my oath sacred. This idiot does not!
lovinspoonful, you are obviously filling your spoon with heroin,… you are the one who is CRAZY … !
go back to your leftist communist sites and wallow with the insane idiots you hang with. When Romney wins the election you can go to another country as well and good riddance to ALL of the stinking communists … !!!
Ditto and well said.
Who are you talking to? I have said nothing to warrant your nasty, hateful insults toward me. I am not a leftist communist, you moron, and don’t you dare ever call me that again. I want Romney to win. You have the wrong person, you stupidfmoron. HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME THAT WAY You are the insane idiot. You are crazy andf mentally ill. You are the one on drugs. If you are referring to the comment I made, it was not directed toward Drawer22 and it was put in the wrong place by the site. However, you being such a hateful person assumed I was makeking a comment to drawer 223, but did you even try to find out if that was the case? NO! You just jumped to conclusions without knowing anything about me butting into a conv ersation not directed toward you either. You have been reportede because youi will not talk to me that way. You need to be removed permanently.
@lovinspoonful
The US government — which trained me well, gave an exceptionally high security clearance, and entrusted me with sensitive information — apparently thought differently from the assessment you tendered with regard to my mental state. You may wish to reconsider your evaluation in absentia, particularly given the observation that you have not interviewed me, done a background check of my family and associations, or reviewed my records.
Have a better day!
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Thank You Sir for your statement. As for me Sir, I have decided not to indulge in the debates any longer with the Happy idiots. I believe it to be in my best interest to no longer qualify such persons with any responces.
@Vectorup
Happy trails to you, Vectorup. I am becoming of like mind.
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Excuse me, I have said nothing to you so why are you attacking me? I am not interested in you or you famly or what your background is and have made no evalustion about you one way or the other no made any comments. I could care less.
Vectorup, I am glad you do not intend to start any more problems with the rest of us in here. That is a huge relief for us and there will be peace again.
@lovinspoonful -
Apparently, someone else is using your screen name. It was that person to whom I responded. The post to which I responded follows:
lovinspoonful says:
October 13, 2012 at 1:34 pm
You are totally crazy.
To which I responded:
Drawer22 says:
October 17, 2012 at 2:02 am
@lovinspoonful
The US government — which trained me well, gave an exceptionally high security clearance, and entrusted me with sensitive information — apparently thought differently from the assessment you tendered with regard to my mental state. You may wish to reconsider your evaluation in absentia, particularly given the observation that you have not interviewed me, done a background check of my family and associations, or reviewed my records.
Have a better day!
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To which you then responded, using the same screen name as your imposter:
lovinspoonful says:
October 17, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Excuse me, I have said nothing to you so why are you attacking me? I am not interested in you or you famly or what your background is and have made no evalustion about you one way or the other no made any comments. I could care less.
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For being the original recipient of the hoaxster’s prank, it would be impossible for me to tender any sincere apology. I do regret that a person or person’s unknown to either of us has misappropriated your screen name, thus causing the present confusion for both of us. Inasmuch as I have no way of determining which “lovinspoonful” screen name is yours and which is that of the imposter misusing your screen name, this representative misunderstanding will doubtless recur. My recommendation to you is that, if I appear to be responding to a “lovinspoonful” which is not you, refrain from responding; either that or IMMEDIATELY disclaim credit for the post under your misappropriated screen name.
While we’re at it, correcting a misimpression is not an attack, particularly is done factually and in a genteel manner to lend depth or correct a statement made as an attack.
Have a nice day!
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Drawer22, I have already explained that my comment showed up in error under your comment and i apologize to you for that. It was intened for someone else’s comment but, apparently, you did not understand that. Why you waited days to comment on it I have no idea as there has been no conversation between us. As far as vectorup is concerned, he hs ben reported for his accusations tht I was adruggie and a leftit communist. Neiither one of you know anything about me, or my family, nor have you interviewed me. So, you are out of line in assuming what kind of person I am and doing the very thing you accused me of. Hopefully, vectorup will not try to start anything again as he did with me.
@lovinspoonful
In response to a post made using your screen name (see following):
lovinspoonful says:
October 17, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Drawer22, I have already explained that my comment showed up in error under your comment and i apologize to you for that. It was intened for someone else’s comment but, apparently, you did not understand that. Why you waited days to comment on it I have no idea as there has been no conversation between us. As far as vectorup is concerned, he hs ben reported for his accusations tht I was adruggie and a leftit communist. Neiither one of you know anything about me, or my family, nor have you interviewed me. So, you are out of line in assuming what kind of person I am and doing the very thing you accused me of. Hopefully, vectorup will not try to start anything again as he did with me.
…my response is:
Thank you for your apology, though why you “…waited days…” to tender it directly to me, “…I have no idea….” At least that clears that up, for your apology is hereby accepted, along with your explanation that your attack was meant to be on someone else.
Thank you for the compliment of having plagiarized my wording. It IS rather good, isn’t it? As far as “…assuming what kind of person [you] are…,” all I had upon which to base my response was the post by whomever misappropriated your screen name, and I am unable to apologize sincerely for the misdemeanors of another. As you were not the hoaxster, I was not out of line in responding to that person or persons; that being the case, no apology is warranted for any presumed assumptions.
Regarding your conflict with Vectorup, your fight is not my fight, nor do I care to comment further on the conflict you reference. Do keep us all advised of progress concerning your report. It should be a fascinating follow-up!
Have a nice day!
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Drawer22, Do keep us all advised of progress concerning your report. It should be a fascinating follow-up! Have a nice day! De Oppresso Liber
Again Sir, My Apologies for the misunderstanding. Roger that Sir.
@Vectorup
Re your post (following):
Vectorup says:
October 17, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Drawer22, Do keep us all advised of progress concerning your report. It should be a fascinating follow-up! Have a nice day! De Oppresso Liber
Again Sir, My Apologies for the misunderstanding. Roger that Sir.
My response: Roger that. (ie, “No prob. Ain’t no big, for real!”
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As a Veteran myself Sir, I Commend you for your Telling the Truth where the Truth Needs to be told.
All Politicians have SOLD OUT the American People, for GREED AND POWER, to the FED Bankers of the Federal Reserve. The Bankers are as the Bible has stated, ARE forming their NEW WORLD ORDER, or as the Bible says, One World GOVERNMENT. They control EVERY CENT that EVERY Politician gets. And be it Known that We Have NOT been Under the US Constitution Since the Late 1940′s. The reason being that the US Government Signed a Contract with a Bunch of Rich Bankers in 1913, and when the US Government went Bankrupt in the Late 1930′s, the Bankers went into Receivership, because the US Government could not Repay the LOAN (National Debt). You see, Every Dollar the FED Bankers Print for the US Government, comes at a PRICE. That Price is Interest on every Dollar that was printed. When the Interest could not be paid back, the Bankers Contract allowed the FED Bankers to Seize ALL The ASSETS of the US Government, INCLUDING THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS, and HOLD THEM FOR RANSOM. The US Code and the Uniform Commercial Code was installed to keep this country running under “COLOR OF LAW” instead of Actual LAW. That is WHY All politicians can have such Lavish Pensions, and a FULL TIME JOB as Politicians. The Constitution DOES NOT ALLOW for Congressmen and Senators to have FULL TIME JOBS as Senators and Congressmen.
I could go On and On, but the Point is, I Swore an Oath to Protect a Document that hasn’t been used since the late 1940′s, and it makes me BOILING MAD, that I am the ONLY ONE to have done my Homework. So Much So, that when I hear Veterans Rant about the OAT THEY Swore, it boils my eggs, because they have not bothered to look into it.
If you want to Read the “Contract With America” that EVERY Politician KNOWS ABOUT by a Half Hour After they get to Washington DC, read http://fracontractdotnet.wordpress.com/
Maybe your Eggs will start to BOIL as well.
Please excuse the WRONG URL Please read the FULL TEXT of the FRA (Federal Reserve Act) at the following link. >>> http://fracontract.wordpress.com/contract-with-america/
Draerew32, I did apologizr tp hyou as soon as I realized what had happened and it wafs the sdame dayy that the problem occurred.
@lovinspoonful
In response to the post by either lovinspoonful or the person or persons misappropriating the screen name of lovinspoonful (post immediately follows)::
lovinspoonful says:
October 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Draerew32, I did apologizr tp hyou as soon as I realized what had happened and it wafs the sdame dayy that the problem occurred.
…my response is:
Inasmuch as your presthen dates from theumed apology was not specifically directed or addressed to me by screen name, as I am insufficiently prescient to deduce same, and as it is incumbent upon the person presuming to communicate to insure any attempt at doing so is properly received and, if required, interpreted within common understanding of the language used, your failure to apologize then dates from the insult received, albeit unintentionally (as claimed by you) to the date and time of clear receipt. Again, I thank you for your apology, however belated in receipt it was.
Have a nice day.
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You are extremely rare and well read but sadly surrounded by a sea of empty headed morons who were born in front of stupid television shows, music and Nazi/Soviet style media. Fox News is in on this scam as they don’t dare mention the CFR/TL and many other think tanks that determine our destiny for the bloodline vampire banking families of the Federal Reserve. When I try to explain to people how this system really works their eyes roll around in their heads. The end game is to bankrupt America beyond all known math and then the entire land mass will go into receiver ship I think.
Sometimes I wonder why people like us are even worried about it. It seems that most are Just Like Sheep, wondering Aimlessly through life like a stick floating down a rapidly moving stream.
Krauthasmmer, the same message I gave Vectoruipgoes for yuou. Fortunately, Charles Kratuhammer is much more intelligent than you are and much more of a gentleman. Neither one of you two fit that bill.
Why is it that people would rather CUT and BURN others about such things as spelling, and a host of Name Calling, rather then making a point about the Article??? Sorry if I’m at a loss here, but I have always been the brunt of everyones jokes, and Cut down and Ridiculed by others for ways I didn’t fit in, so I find Absolutely NO Amusement in the Name calling and Put Downs.
Amen! Come and take them.
For your information and for the information of anyone else in here, I DO NOT TAKE DRUGS, HAVE NEVER TAKEN DRUGS, AND NEVER WILL TAKE DRUGS. That idea came out of vectorup’s feeble mind If this contiknues I will report you also. I have had enough. I tend to think you are the ones on drugs.
You better look again sucker, I never said ANYONE was taking drugs
Don’t call me “sucker”. There you go, calling names again and I suppose you will deny that too. Do you even know what you say on here? YES, YOU DID ACCUSE ME OF TAKING DRUGS AT THE SAME TIME YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING A LEFTIST COMMUNIST. Keep it up, fool.
vectorup, you find no amusement in the name calling and the put downs? Then why do you do it? It’s not amusing to the person you do it to either. You seem to do a lot of it for one who claims to find no amusement in it and so do your other two stooges.
You accused me of taking drugs, and your two cohorts continued the accusation. Stop lying. It is right on here for everyone to see.
‘KATRINA’ ~ Bad example!
I did and still do live in Katrinaland.
Yes, for a time in certain areas guns were a PROBLEM following Katrina!
There was panic, desperation, DRUGS, and a HUGE population of the criminal element present following Katrina. The good hearted first responders lives were in danger, not from only the elemnets(filth, decay, disease, varmetts of all kinds), but from armed looters, strung out druggies, and the heavily armed criminal New Orleans element that exists ‘primarily’ in ‘some’ of the black communities(just a FACT, Jack). First responders in boats rescuing people were being shot at or and hijacked, leaving the rescued and the First responders stranded, wounded, dead, and their boats stolen. So many people were lined up with their boats to launch to help with the rescue efforts but drove away when they were being shot at and their boats stolen. So NO, it was not just taking guns away from law abiding citizens. Next time folks don’t evacuate from NOLA, may God help them all.
In desperate times, desperate people do desperate things. I can’t imagine being stranded on an overpass with a hundred other people for two days with a baby no diapers, no water, no food, etc….
KATRINA was a huge problem; just the logistics and the means of the rescue efforts were complicated; compounded by the massive area, number of people, and the ‘danger’ elements.
I do not excuse anyone from their behavior following Katrina regardless if victim or first responder; but, I do understand the complexity of the problem….. NOT to mention Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanko’s political eneptitude. Seriously, we CANNOT blame most of the Katrina fiasco on Bush.
Think about it, a city underwater surrounded by levees now ‘holding the water in’, where are you ging to launch your boat? Houses, cars, trees, etc. were underwater, floating in the water, snakes, allgators; what kind of boat propeller can last five minutes with all that flotsom?
Check out the Orleans Parish Coronor’s report of Katrina victims….. disproportionatly to the population of NOLA, more white people died than blacks(another fact, Jack, something like 51% – 49%). With all of that siad I am SICK of people making movies, writing books, and profiting from bias and factually inaccurate information. Spike Lee, may God have mercy on you.
So, in regard to the issue of confiscating our guns…
There are a whole lot more folks like US accross the spectrum than the Commies, so far.
What we need is restoration of common sense and the abandonment on ‘perverted tolerance’.
Q: Why are we allowing our Universities to teach Communisim in a positive light to our impressionable young people? I believe in free speech but to teach our young people Communisim is good is ‘perverted tolerance’. WT_?
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@kperilloux – So, to sum up that which is relevant: I gather that it’s right, just, lawful and just good sense to violate the Constitution of the United States of America when either you or a corrupt politician believes that to be in the best interests of…what? Whom? We the People?
It is standard procedure to disarm suspects who have been criminally firing on on anyone; for that matter, it is standard procedure to disarm ANY suspect who is being arrested for a crime. It is NOT standard procedure to disarm otherwise law-abiding American citizens, unless “abridge” (2d Amendment) has recently acquired a new and convoluted definition.
I stand by the rulings of the Supreme Court of the United States with regard to both search & seizure and the right — NOT PRIVILEGE — to keep and bear arms, most specifically relevant with regard to protections inside our homes. It is my recommendation that you do likewise; else, exercise your legal voting privileges and do your best to void the 2d Amendment legislatively. (I don’t recommend that, as there are Americans who would have stood beside King Leonidas, had they the opportunity.
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Sir, In following your lead, for those who feel that having a Firearm for Self Preservation to be Repugnant, I have Yard Signs for sale that say ” THIS HOUSE IS A GUN FREE ZONE “
Dear Vectorup,
Will your sign also keep Constitution-abridgers away, or only invite criminal predators who are already loaded for b’ar?
Glad you and I are on the same team!
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Sorry Drawer… I think you missed my point.
I fully support Ammentment #2, I have been properly trained in gun handleing and shoot a 250/250…. TAHT is not the problem.
The ‘media’, again, spun this way out of the ball park, capitolized on the ‘race-card’.
I gues you would have hd to have been here to understand the danger so many were in.
You see this is what happened when Katrina mixed desperation, fear, hunger, thirst, confusion, race-baiting, lack of communication(even cell phones were down for WEEKS), DRUGS, criminals, some racists(both sides), misery, looting, etc…… I could go on.
In ‘some’ areas black and white it had become the Wild West War Zone, mixed with drugs, etc…. AND first responders were trying to help with rescue and home owners were protecting their homes….. Seriously, I do not know of anyone who had their guns confiscated who follow ‘NORMAL’ Louisiana Law concerning guns. New Orleans was an EXTREMELY dangerous place for about a year and some areas two years following Katrina. You had Bougalees, wielding guns at anyone who came near their home, like stepped on the grass.
I think Katrina taught US many lessons, some of which will fall on deaf ears: EVACUATE!
There must be an instrument of the law that provides confiscation of guns that are in the hands of peple who pose a threat to law abiding citizens. I also think EVERYONE should take a gun handleing course; maybe in high school; mainly to teach the Law concerning guns.
As big hearted as I am I would have gone to help in the hard hit areas(I had little damage by comparison) BUT, excuse me…. tooo many ignorant or and druggies acting like fools with guns.
I think certain political people use ‘Katrina’ as an exampe to show how the government imposed martial law and confiscated guns unlawfully from good ole’ citizens just sittin’ on their front porch sipping a mint julep; to scare US. All I am saying is Katrina is not relevant to this discussion concerning gun rights or confiscation there of.
I personally have friends with boats who went to rescue people and when the stupids starting shooting, they packed up their boats, and went home.
You can’t have numb-skulls shooting at people for allegedly stealing ‘stuff’.
If someone intends to cause you bodily harm and has means; by all means defend yourself!
BUT, it is against the law to shot / kill some one for stealing your material stuff, in Louisiana.
We had drug crazed gun wielding looters who deserved to be stripped of their guns.
Same goes for those who posted signs like ‘We shoot first and ask questions later.’
Yeah, you didn’t see that on the news did ya’?
I really do not wish to argue this point, just trying to define the problem
I do not have a solution, yet.
You would have had to have been here to understand.
I’ll keep mine too, Thank You very much.
@kperilloux – As a US Special Forces (SF) officer (mustanging from an enlistment as Private) having multiple tours of voluntary combat experience and having commanded several SF Teams, as well as conventional military units…; as a former LEO at municipal, county and federal levels…; as a graduate-level, ABA-certificated paralegal…; and as a certified National Rifle Association (NRA) Instructor (among numerous other qualifications), I would be pleased to teach the course(s) you recommend, both to you and those like you who may have an errant frame of mind regarding the rights affirmed in the Bill of Rights appended to the Constitution of the United States of America. While instruction in firearms skills, safety, and lawful use is valuable, so is an education in that which constitutes unConstitutional actions by authorities, those actions sometimes rising to the level of criminality which warrants lawful, lethal response by law-abiding American citizens. Lest you truly believe these types of jackbooted incidents did not occur to law-abiding Americans, may I suggest Google and YouTube as resources. While doing such research, also please note military personnel who made it clear that they would refuse to obey the unlawful orders (by virtue of unConstitutionality) of their “superior” officers and NCO’s. (By the way, no one was court-martialed for adhering to the oath of office in support of the Constitution of the United States of America. Seems these military personnel knew the law, the Constitution and their oaths far better than the military and political criminals who gave such orders.)
Lest you think I disfavor shooting/killing people who are criminally hazarding the lives of the law-abiding — inclusive of first responders LAWFULLY carrying out their duties — think again! After doing so, I would happily discuss the circumstances with you over a few cups of coffee, preceded by a peaceful, guilt-free nap.
Just because criminals perform criminal acts is no reason to strip Constitutionally-protected rights from other, non-criminal, American citizens. Those who attempt to abridge those rights volunteer to be downrange, be they criminal LEO’s, criminal first responders, military criminals dishonoring the oath taken in support of the Constitution, looters or other criminals. They do so with my thanks for being pop-up targets. NO ONE is entitled to deprive ANY American citizen of the absolute right to self-defense by confiscating firearms RIGHTfully kept and borne under the provisions of the Constitution of the United States of America. I would invite those who think otherwise to μολὼν λαβέ while i “plink” in their direction..
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Hoo Rah
None of the Katrina fiafsco was bush’s. the blame lay right at the feet of Nagyn, the mayor of NO who did not get the people evacuated in time and the governor who stood and wrung her hands.. SHE had to call in the National Guard and did not do so. They put the people in the Super Dome with no essentials availble to them – no food, no water, not enough rest room essentials, no showers. They had had a mock hurricane some time before and had it all put down on paper as to what to do and never looked at it. they were notified 3 days before that the hurricane was heading their way afnd they did nothing until the day she was due in. The inefficiency did not lay with Bush, it lay with the powers that be in Llouisiana. So don’t blame Bush for the fiasco that was New Orleans.
I thought the Gov of LA was a Black Man The one I saw on TV was a MAN, not a woman.
Vectorup, you are showing more of your ignorance. Instead of making it appear as though I don’t know what I am talking about, you could have looked it up and found out for yourself that I was right. The mayor of New Orleans was a black man named Ray Nagyn. The governor was a woman. It’s a shame, I guess you don’t know everything after all. You only thought you did.
Hey, if I was wrong, you don’t have to beat me over the head with it, Just show me where I was wrong. Anyway, Sorry for the Mistake.
unfortunately yours is not the only story of this type. After the 1989 earthquake first responders and aid givers were hampered by the influx of people there for the free groceries. It became so bad that the area was closed off and access was controlled by picture ids with addresses. most criminal activity was from groups from other areas.
I remember hearing about all that. And it seemed that the only people that were Armed were the Police and the LOOTERS. The Food just did make it to the hands of the real people who needed it.
Very few Americans believe anything like this would be possible. Not only is the scenario manufactured by these two writers of the “Full Spectrum” article based on thoroughly fraudulent information about tea partiers and conservatives in general, one has to believe the US military would actually move against, even fire on American citizens with whom MOST of the military would undoubtedly agree!
It’s called brainwashing the troops. The far left has already practiced its brainwashing techniques on law enforcement across the country.
You are so right! Too many people do not want to believe this can happen in America, but it can, and I am very afraid that it is to come. Obama has set aside special troops just for this that have been thoroughly brain washed and trained right here on American soil. And not only them, there are numerous Muslim training camps right here in America that no one has bothered to investigate as to just who is backing them and allowing them to be here. I would be willing to bet it is the Muslim President we have in the White House. He stated in his book, if the times got hard, he would ALWAYS stand with the Muslims. He claims to be a Christian, and yet he wears a gold ring on his finger since his college days that has the emblem of “The only God is Allah”. Does that sound like a Christian ring? I don’t think so. I’m afraid too many Americans have kept their eyes shut to the truth, taking the ‘bribes’ of freebies he’s doled out for too long now. They don’t want their ‘gravy train’ to end. But end it will when the money runs out. It will be too late then.
Right ON GO see Obama’s 2016…..this terrorist has to go!!! AND the Military will stand with the people and not this socialist dictator we have in the WH!
I JOIN YOU MOUTAIN MAMA,YOU ARE AWARE OF THE SITUATION,FOR SURE, THIS COUNTRY HAS DRIFTED SO FAR FROM THE BIBLE AND GOD WHICH IS THE VERY FOUNDATION OF OUR GOVERNMENT.,LESS THAN 50% OF OUR POPULATION ARE PRODESTANTS NOW AND 60,000 MINISTERS HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE FROM THE OBAMA CLAN TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN WHAT THEY SAY TO THIER CONGREGATIONS IN VIEW OF THAT THIS GOVERNMENT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD IN ANY FORM OR FEDERAL POLICY!
ONE MILITARY HOSPITAL HAD LEADERSHIP THAT AGREED TO ALLOWED ALL BIBLES BE REMOVED JUST RECENTLY!ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS TO TAKE OVER ANY COUNTRY IS BY INSIDE CHARITY TO POOR AND SICK AND ALL PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT WORK!
@okiedave – I am in agreement with your premises.
(Please fix your CapsLock key.)
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i think we should all just get along, reglardless of our religions. who cares if u r a jew, chritisan or muslim..
@donblassvivar – That sentiment is passé, having already expressed by Rodney KING (02 April 1965 – 17 June 2012; died as the result of drug- and alcohol-induced delirium, while under the combined influences of cocaine, PCP, marijuana and alcohol). New material, please!
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Given the number of foreign troops training in the US at any one time, and given that the current unlawful administration wants a NWO ruled by the UN, it is more than probable that they will use foreign troops to “pacify” the terrorists, i,e, Patriots. I don’t believe that more than a few US troops would fire on US Citizens but would either ignore orders or turn against those who would.
But remember the Japanese general during WWII who said he would NEVER attack the US directly as there would be “a rifle behind every blade of grass.” No foreign army would have a fighting chance attacking this country. Ten, twenty, thirty million people armed with everything from deer rifles to AR-15s to machine guns would make such an invasion folly.
dude, u have drunk the WND koolaid way too much,, that ring thing is a lie.. please, please please read watch something other than fox propoganda.
Sorry Don, but You are DEAD WRONG here. I have seen the documents, I know many Law Enforcement Officer that substantiate what was said to Know it IS TRUE. Back a year or so ago, troops were called Home and trained how to go Door to Door, collecting Firearms and arresting anyone who would put up a fight. Please do your Homework before making such Bold statements to people who have actually seen it.
donblassvivar, you need to watch something besides MSNBC,CBS,NBC,ABC, otherwise known as the lame stream media. Fox is #1 for a reason for their reporting is fair and balanced. they preent both sides – no other nerwse channel does that. that must be where you get the idea that the Tea Party is violent and out to kill peole and all the other idiotic things you have said about it which are liers perpetrated by the lame tream media, ho know nothing about the Tea Party. Try giviing that description to the group that deserves it – the OWS.
Back many years ago in 29 Palms Cal. the Government started a New Program where the questions were supposed to be anonymous, young recruits were asked several questions designed to determine if they would or would Not Fire on Civilians if ordered to. Well, they were NOT Anonymous, and any recruit that answered the wrong way, was found a desk job and was for the most part denied access to any position that would require firing a weapon, till their Tour was up…And that questionnaire is still being used around the country from what I have heard, and they still say it is Anonymous but we all know now from past experience, that it really isn’t.
Why not beat you over the head, vectorup. You didn’t mind doing it to me. You tried to make me look stupid and it didn’t work did it?
I don’t believe this person. It makes no difference what is being said, she has NASTY Things to say about it, and Slanders Every one in the process. Kind of like a Monkey in the Zoo who Throws Fices at everyone alike, just for standing in front of the cake.
OOoops “Kind of like a Monkey in the Zoo who Throws Fices at everyone alike, just for standing in front of the cake.” Should have been CAGE not Cake
That was totally uncalled for, Vectorup. Such name calling and rudeness seems to be the only way you can respond to others, aside from the incessant whining you’ve demonstrated here. If you have any substance to contribute, by all means, please share. but these attempts to denigrate others, put people down, and make such personal attacks are not what these forums are for, and not way anyone wants to be seeing. We will all thank you to stop such behavior.
As I recently said, I Think in Metafores, and the only Metafore I could tyhink about while that so called lady was SLANDERING ME, was one of my visits to the Zoo, where the ONLY Crap slinging was being done by the Monkies.
OK, maybe I did get a little Hostile, but I don’t have the Vocabulary like you to help me Put someone down with EDUCATION and DICTION, as you are quite able to do, So I have to resort to the way I currently know.
Sorry Sir, if i am not as EDUCATED as you believe yourself to be.
You refer to me as a “so-called lady”. I am a lady but you, sir, are no gentlerman, southern or otherwise. How soon you forget how you slandered me on here. I do not asppreciate being accused of being a communist, being on drugs, and all the other hateful things you said to me. Your comment could have been grounds for a lawsuit. Why do you think it is all right for you to say whatever you want to others, but you can’t handle having anything said to you that you don’t like? You forgot what your mother taught you about being a gentleman.
Some women are not ladies.
Women who are brazen enuff to play politics is not ladylike nor should they be treated as ladies if they feel man enuff to play politics. In this case equal rights applies. Like I said SCALAWAG most appropriately applies here.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
You need to come out of the middle ages. Women have all the rights that men have – politically and every other way. You are a male chauvinist and, contrary to your statement about name-calling you don’t seem to have any problem calling names. I am aflady anf I am not a scalawag. that is a term with which you refer to a man – not a woman. It is apparent you have no use for women . ou need to grow up and come into the 21st century. women are now equal to men – like it or not.
@lovinspoonful
“Women have all the rights that men have – politically and every other way.”
Good, then you shouldn’t mind one bit when you are treated like a man!
So quit your griping about how some woman is treated. You’re not a lady because ladies are not feminists demanding to be treated equally to men and then complaining that they’re not treated like a lady when the going gets tuff and they get their itty bitty feelings hurts!
Not only that, you’re not as Southern as you claim because you never even grasped the STRICTLY Southern slight I openly gave you. If you had known its’ meaning as Southerners do throughout the South, you would have been mad enough to call me out over my slight/offense to you. Just peachy ain’t it? So, if’n you wanna milk the cow and crow about it, your every bit the man as anyone here. In which case you’ll be treated as one…. Hogs need slopping while you’re at it!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Only a moron would assume that. How can you consider yourelf a gentrleman. If I have to go out and work to provide for the home the same as a man does, you bet I expect to be treated equally. You need to come out of the dark into the light and into the world afs it is now. not in the 1800′s. what makes you think you are superior to women? Surely, not your brain nor your manners because if you have them you don’t use them. You’re totally clueless as to what this world is about today. Oh, and gt over your prejudice against northerners and yankees. The civil war was over many years ago. They are the reason for the progress in the south. You and Vectorup are absolutely ridiculous and clueless. GROW UP!
I caught your southern comment andf I chose to ignore it because it wasn’t worth commenting on. get over the idea that everything you say is so fascinating that people just can’t ignore it. Actrually, you are very boring nd no too bright. If the hogs need slopping, then you had better hurry up before they come looking for their brother. You dumb idiotic moron.
You were right when you said some things are better left alone and you just couldn’t do that, could you? Do it now.
Thank you for coming to my aid. This person, as you see, has been etremely rude to me accusing me of all kinds of things that qualify as slander. I am glad someone else noticed it. Now, I have been compared to a monkey in a zoo. He just gets worse. How do I report him and his two buddies? they are as bad as he is.
Some things are just better left alone.
It’s not gonna accomplish anything in further name calling.
I originally had wrote about trying to be gentlemen in order that everyone would just let the small stuff fade way, as some things are just not worth getting worked up over. My post was intended for all of us, but it seems it was taken too personally by one person who then had to attack me. If people are so sensitive to such nit-picky tidbits, they’d be better off not responding at all. So what if I mis-spelled a word? So what if one called stated another was on drugs in regards to an outlandish statement that had been made? So what if a name or place is not exactly right? Just accept some things as being natural human tendencies and go on. It’s when the nit-picking gets repetitive and personal, then repeating in scale, that is when it has gone too far. Everyone here has already made up their minds as to what they think about the situation, so just let it be. If I’ve offended anyone specifically in my posts here concerning this and them I apologize. But people must expect and know when the come to debates like this not everyone always gonna play nice. It can get dirty sometimes. You just gotta know when to hold’em and when to fold’em…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I he not slandered everyone in here, but you don’t mind doing it. Stop your lying. You are the one who is slandering me, so stop feeling sorry for yourself.
Are you talking about yourself again? Ho Hum!
lovingspoonful said ” Why not beat you over the head, vectorup. You didn’t mind doing it to me. You tried to make me look stupid and it didn’t work did it?”
Trust me Lady, You make yourself look STUPID, so why would I need to?
You are the one that is stupid. I see that you have attacked others in here. wehat right do you think you have to do that asnd what makes you think you know everything when, actually,obviously you know very little other than to ridicule other people. Why don’t you and your two other stooges just leave?
You’ve already proven how stupid you are and others have picked up on it also.
Mike360000, so what if you just happen to lie? So what, if you just happen to keep it giong yoursfelf? so what, if you just happen to butt into someting that is none of your business? so wehat,if yu call someone a druggie o r a leftist commmunist? So what if someonejudges you as you judge them bdecause you seem to think you have the right to do so? So what, if you dfon’t listen to your own words? So what, if you still live in the dark ages and think women are inferior to you? So what, if women todayy are more intelligent thagn you are? so what, if you don’t pay attention to hyour own words? so, you colme acrosse asd a hypocriter – that’s what. You say your mother taught you to be a southern gentlemen. Well, it’s too bad that it wore off.
lovingteasoon
–lol–
I think SCALAWAG has become your middle name.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
What revolution are you talking about? The Tea Party has as much right to asemble as the OWS.
Where do you get off lady? I didn’t see ANYONE say the Tea Party people DIDN’T have a Right to Assemble. If Anything, we have been Substantiating their First Amendment RIGHT to do so.
Where do you get off talking to people like you do? Apparently, you can’t read correctly and I’ve seen others say the same thing to you. There have been those in here who have stated just that. try reading other comments.
I didn’t say the Tea Party didn’t have a right to assemble. You are getting me mixed up with someone else’s comment. Try reading first. I’ve had enough of you jumping on me.
Those two should be arrested.
The Tea Party only wants the spending to stop and the OWS was financed by george soros the Jewish killer of his own people during WWII and bragged about it a couple of years ago on tv….And this is who is supporting the obama people. And the obama worshipping stupor I thought was calming down but you have to know that there are military personnel that have PTSD too and they are off their rockers, I was married to one and he would beat me terribly and the AF big sgt ask me the one time I reported him, what I had done to make him do that to me and I never went back for any thing and am still suffering financially because I should have had half of his retirement but that is another issue. Look at the kook that obama is protecting and that killed the Ft Hood solders, he was mean and an admitted muslim like obama admitted he was and why did obama give money to the Egypt Muslim Brotherhood in March 2012 (4.5 billion dollars)and they wanted more money after the Libya incidents… The OWS raped, drugged and destroyed property and were always protected by the libbers and this guy needs to be committed to somewhere as he is inciting dangerous antics….He needs to be stopped and and obama it looks like and I feel will use the military in the voting in some areas….This stupor of obama worshipping should be stopped but the liberals are so out of hand to win and be damned to our country…Sad their intelligence is so lacking in common sense.
Hey, Sorry to hear about you issue! How long were you married to him?
George Soros is NOT a REAL JEW. Please forgive my spelling, but he is an Ocanozi Jew, or what is called a Zionist Jew. They are Not real Jews, but have become Jews for Fun and Profit. I believe it was Jesus that said that when he returns, those Jews who call themselves Jews but are Not, will be dealt with and made to come and worship before the feet of the elect.
@Vectorup
You are absolutely correct concerning George Soros.
Soros actually worked for Hitler and the SS as a rat during WWII.
He ratted out other so called Jews.
Also note that in reference to the false Jews, combined they are known as Khazars. I have a couple of articles I can post on this if one asks for them.
Also if you read my posts concerning the Rothchilds Timeline, I posted yesterday, it also explains this Khazar connection. Read Matthew 2:9 and 3:9 for a clear understanding of what Christ had to say about Jews.
Revelation 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
I can also post the commentary on Matthew 21:19 through end of chapter where Jesus/God voids the Covenant with the Jews. If you want me to post it, just ask.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
What can I say but Thank You So Much. I would Love to see the other Posts. I guess I need to Open the book a little more often and Study to show myself approved.
@Vectorup
So much to say I don’t know where to begin.
Please, all of you, it is absolutely necessary that you know who your enemies are. Of course we know Obama is our enemy, and honestly Romney is also. I know people will disagree thinking Romney is not Obama and I can understand that. I really can. But, both of them are on the same payroll! Regardless to who is elected they will answer to the ones who bought them. So you ask; Who bought these politicians. Well some of you here already know, it is the elitist bankers. That is why I say it is so very important to look at this PowerPoint presentation! Please go here and DOWNLOAD this file, then look at it, reading it as you go. It is VERY long, taking about an hour to go over it.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/RothschildsTimeline.ppt
Please understand that regardless to which politicians you elect to office until the elitist bankers are confronted and thrown out all your present problems will continue and will continue to worsen. If that timeline doesn’t convince you otherwise, then there is no hope in ever convincing you of anything. If you disagree with something in the Timeline, don’t disregard the whole timeline because of something you disagree with. Do further study and Google up the things you have in question and research out the facts for yourself, and then draw your conclusions.
What I am also saying is, if you want to actually correct your problems that you see and know is wrong, you MUST go to the source, the root of the problems in order to correct the problem at its’ base so you kill that problem at its’ root! This way it can’t come back and bite you again. And you will be learning who your real enemies are at the same time! A lot of you here may be military men, but you sure know very little about tactics and strategy. (No offense intended.) Read the Timeline and then ask me whatever you desire, related to this.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@Vectorup
Here is Matthew 21:19-end of chapter.
It is where Jesus voids the Covenant with the Jews. Jews have NEVER accepted the New Testament so they will vehemently disagree with this chapter and not even accept it, period. They will call anyone names and even threaten anyone who makes much over this chapter. They will work to remove such posts from blogs such as this. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is not someone who will complain over it here. But I will say this, NO preacher, theologian or anyone claiming understanding of the Scripture can proves this wrong. Most preachers will not even try, even if they disagree. That is simply because it cannot be disproven. Read it for yourself… The parables concerning Matthew 19-end of chapter.
Here is the crux of why Jews are no longer God’s chosen people. Today Jews will not acknowledge this because they do NOT acknowledge the New Testament and they claim Jesus is a bastard child. Remember by not accepting the New Testament, they also reject Revelations 2:9 and 3:9. Yet Jews will and ALWAYS use the Old Testament in asserting that they are God’s chosen people as well as using the Old Testament to justify the nation of Israel. Yet you fail to realize or accept the fact that Christians today follow the NEW TESTAMENT and NOT the Levitical Covenant Laws of the Old Testament as they were replaced by the New Testament and Grace which it taught as the New Covenant. What the Jews are doing is giving the ignorant and false Christians a guilt trip in order to influence them into following their demands and desires. And the ignorant Christians follows like a sheep to slaughter…. So here is the naked truth concerning the Jews and do not just take my word for it, look up these parables in any good King James Commentary such as Matthew Henry’s Commentary.
Here are the parables in Matthew 21:19-end explained.
The word “Fig” is mentioned 64 times in the Bible. Figs refer to the Jews, always in Scripture.
“Tree” refers to Nation.
Fig Tree meaning Jewish Nation or the Nation of Israel.
Matthew 21:19-22
19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
What is Jesus doing to the fig tree in Matthew 21:19?
What is Jesus doing to the Jewish people is the same question!
There are many other verses to support this in the NT. Just do a online Bible search for Fig and Fig Tree. Jeremiah 8:13 comes to mind.
In short Jesus is breaking the Covenant with the Jews. They are no longer His chosen people.
Next Jesus is questioned by the priests and elders, by what authority He does this in verse 23.
Matthew 21:23-27
23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
He gives them the second parable concerning baptism. Who baptized John, God or man? To which John is baptized by the authority of God under the hands of man. It’s both, for Jesus Himself comes as both man and Christ God. Jesus is also verifying His authority by asking the question. Today Jews still deny this because they deny Christ. This is the proof that the Jews reject Grace. So I ask; Who do the Jews embrace? It is NOT God because He just voided the Covenant with the Jews, PLUS Jews today do not follow the Covenant in the first place! There is NOTHING stated biblically today that saves anyone who calls themself a Jew.
In verse 28 the parable of the two sons portrays the disrespect and contempt the Jews had shown God by not doing their work, following the Law. This is also shown in verse 32 with John and it shows how the Jews have reacted to these verses and parables every since Jesus first said, proclaimed them. Jesus is also prophesying the future unto this very day.
Matthew 21:28-32
28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
The next parable starting in verse 33, Jesus is describing the punishment of the Jews who then kills His servants from His new vineyard and then who also killed the owners Son. Jesus justifies the rejection and voiding of the Covenant. In one sense Jesus is already pronouncing His death at the hands of the Jews as well as prophesying the death of His elect, while at the same time justifying beginning a new Covenant called Grace!
Matthew 21:33-41
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Again Jesus is prophesying the future and justifying His future return.
Of course the Jews do not believe any of this today because they do not accept Christ or any part of the NT.
And finally the last parable, the handing over of Grace unto the gentiles. What becomes of those who now reject Him and the Grace He offers. Who did the builders reject? What becomes of them? And what qualifies one to accept this new cornerstone or stone? Jews still do not accept it! Gee, most so called professed preachers today does not accept this! Fore surly they won’t preach it!
Matthew 21:42-46
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
Now people, YOU tell me! Where am I wrong? If I am NOT wrong then anyone who calls or even thinks me a liar is wrong and condemns themself! If you don’t PREACH it, the above, then you are in danger of condemning yourselves! Fore it is GOOD NEWS and I am once again telling you GOOD NEWS! If you find fault with what I wrote, blame the original writers, not me! If I have mis-interpreted it, show me otherwise! If you can’t, then accept what is the truth, what can’t be proven a lie! Fore if it is NOT a lie, then it is the truth and God is NOT the author of confusion!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Wow, that was intense, but I got a witness to what you were saying. I have never had it explained to me in such a way. I have to admit, I was one of those who tried to believe we had to follow the Mosaic commandments. But a close friend told me about Grace, and what Grace was all about. He told me that because the LAW could not be followed to the letter, that we were under grace, as long as we didn’t use his grace as a pretext to commit sin. I Love to hear the Bible taught. Few are willing to touch upon such things as his Grace, or Prophecy. I Love Prophecy. I am one who thinks in Parables, so I tend to see the Pictures of what is being taught, more so then remembering the words. I don’t have any trouble understanding the parables, because they are Pictures that my mind is able to understand. My problem is that since I think in Pictures, the written words tend to hold me back a little. I have to visually translate the words into kind of a movie in my head in order to fully grasp what is being said.
The following is somewhat lengthy but well worth the read. If you do read and study it, you will NEVER lose another argument with a Khazar….. So, what is a Khazar you ask?
Consider:
Everyone is over-looking the facts concerning who are really Jews? We have the original Hebrew Jews and we have the Khazar Jews, who are not really Jews at all, except through some inter-marriage. And the Hebrew Jews and Khazar Jews have never been the best of friends. Matter of fact it is the Hebrew Jews that are actually anti-Zionist, for the largest part.
Over time people have forgotten to distinguish these two groups of people, and now refer to both groups as Jews. I wonder if this was by design as it certainly benefits the Khazar Jews and hurts the Hebrew Jews. People don’t usually here much from the Hebrew Jews, as they usually do not make such protests, nor stir up such anxiety among people. otoh, one can find all sorts of problems and plots and troubles following the Khazar Jews everywhere they go. It’s been that way since their existence, and in every country. Isn’t that strange?
My point is, Khazar Jews are not Jews at all. They are people who hijacked Judaism and their original bloodline. (That much is NOT debatable, it is FACT!) Over the course of time many Khazar Jews did in fact marry Hebrew Jews, or actual blood Jews which are actually known as Israelites. (It is a FACT this act blurs the line of what constitutes blood or Hebrew Jews from the Khazars. Jew or Judaism denotes religion or faith wheresas Israelite denotes blood and genetic composition.)
Khazar Jews claims the religion of Judaism in order to fulfill its’ goals at the expense of Hebrew Jews and everyone else. Those goals are NOT the same goals as Christians/Catholics, but rather to have a form of world domination, controlling mankind as chattel and everyone not being of their form, Jew, (Actually Khazar Jew) are Goyims.
Roughly 97% of the Jews today are Khazar Jews. Churches at one time, throughout the Christian world taught the difference between the Hebrew Jews and the Khazar Jews.
Roughly 90% of the Russian Revolution’s leaders were Jews.(Khazar Jews.)
It is the Khazar Jews that are the Zionists Jews. Although there are a small number Khazar Jews that are not Zionists. However the vast overwhelming majority does support Zionism.
Khazar Jews does not even have to claim any religion. Many are atheists and agnostics. But they still have to claim to be Jewish in order carry their authority, making their pleas and complaining over their treatment, all in order to continue their charade against the world. The word has simply became a crutch to manipulate those that do not understand. Which is ALL of you….
There is ABSOLUTELY nothing that makes a Khazar Jews more angry than to try and differentiate them from the Hebrew Jews. They full well know the basis of their power and support comes from being accepted as the real Jews and not “Hijackers” of the Jewish Religion. That is why every Jew has a conniption fit against when this is mentioned. The more aware and guilty the person, the more they attack.
If any Christian doubts what I am saying about the connection concerning Khazar Jews, please Google the term. No special hate sites needed to explain. You can actually find a lot of this in Wikipedia and is treated as general knowledge. Problem is, it not so generally well understood. I wonder who wants all this buried as deep as possible?
Basically the “Khazars” are or were a “nomadic” people around the area of Turkey, and most of modern Russia.. They had NOTHING in common with the Hebrew Jews. Khazar King Bulan wanted a state religion because of conflicts against the Muslims. He summoned 3 clerics and asked each separately, “He asked the Christian priest: “If you had to give up Christianity, which one would you prefer – Islam or Judaism?” The priest said: “If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew.” Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, “Christianity or Judaism?” and the Moslem also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and the people of Khazar.” –source Wikipedia…
What you see today passing for Jews is NOT Jews! They are impostors. However because of their shear numbers they dwarfed the Hebrew Jews. Over time they became, as they had hoped, to be the carrier of Judaism. Except they added their own interpretations, creeds and articles of faith. While it closely matches the Hebrew Jews religion, there are differences. The easiest way to tell a Khazar Jew from a Hebrew Jew is the Khazar Jews are ALWAYS defensive about their religion, the Hebrew Jews are not.
The Khazar Jews are almost always bent on controlling people, from their mental thoughts/mind, to their pocketbooks and even as slaves, and all Goyims are to be thought of as chattel. Hebrew Jews take OFFENSE to this! Khazar Jews are Zionists, whereas Hebrew Jews are NOT Zionists! Does that even begin to clarify anything?
So basically what you have today is a bunch of impostors calling themselves Jews, who actually stole the religion from the real Jews and made it conform to suit their agenda.
Can you see why people are so fooled and propagandized in their beliefs concerning Jews today?
I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem with Hebrew Jews practicing their original religion.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I knew this to some degree, but needed clarification. Thanks. Was it the Khazar Jews that Hitler attempted to Purge from Germany? Also, the Bankers around the world today are Khazars as well aren’t they?
@Vectorup
That is correct!
Although George Soros was a Khazar. Still there were Hebrew/Ultra Orthodox (real Jews) that worked indirectly or did not associate themselves directly with Hitler, and he left those alone. It is not clear how George Soros squeaked by, fell through the cracks, as info concerning him has been covered up and is hard to obtain. But unfortunately he got through. The Timeline I keep mentioning deals with a lot you are wondering about. I can’t stress enough how important it is to read it through. Everyone should read it.
As for the parables, I’ve come to learn to read’em through pretty easy. There is a secret or key to understanding how to interpret parables. Revelation is not as difficult as it first appears, but it takes much time in fully decoding and understanding them. I have Revelation 17 and 18 fully interpreted and written out. It is somewhat different than what most people think, but the conclusions are rock solid and no preachers wishes to discuss any points of differences after they read it. I’ve never had one that claimed they could prove it wrong. Actually Matthew Henry’s commentaries comes as close as anyone I’ve read in matching what I’ve interpreted. Just take a short cut and read him if you hit a snag while reading. He’s close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Actually, Mike360000 Vectorup, you are both mistaken regarding the reality of the Jewish people of whom you have been disparaging with your remarks. I, myself, read “The Thirteenth Tribe” back in 1976, and have heard the anti-zionist arguments for over 35 years now, which is basically a bunch of hocum based on a 1903 Russian fiction “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” Adolf Hitler and the Nazis publicized the text as if it were a valid document, although it was exposed as fraudulent, and ordered the text to be studied in German classrooms. Hitler used the Protocols as his primary justification for initiating the Holocaust—his “warrant for genocide”. Hitler did NOT discern between any types of Jew, but persecuted and murdered anyone thought to be of Jewish decent, regardless of any tribe or ethnic connection whatsoever. http://tinyurl.com/9bjed
Additionally, recent DNA investigation has shown that Arthur Koestler’s theory was off-base and has been thoroughly debunked regarding the Jewish people steming from a Turkic tribe in Central Asia called the Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 8th century..
The latest such study, shows a genetic connection among all Jews, despite widespread migrations and intermarriage with non-Jews.
” In what its authors claim is the most comprehensive study thus far, a team led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine concludes today that all three Jewish groups—Middle Eastern, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi—share genomewide genetic markers that distinguish them from other worldwide populations” – Science magazine, June 3, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2v6njtk
Although unintentional, I’m sure, your information is simply incorrect, outdated, and false.
Our Founding Fathers did give some very clear warnings about the threat to our country if it fell into the hands of bankers. However, it should be understood that our Founding Fathers were not anti-zionists, they never discriminated against the Jewish people nor ever made the Jewish people any kind of scapegoat such as the slideshow that was offered very clearly does.
Begin with a study of “The Elders of Zion” and proceed from there, and I’m sure any anti-Zionist sentiment will begin to dissipate from within you, just as it did with me. It was a false accusation that has been allowed to fester for far too long, and is at the heart of the murderous anti-Jewish sentiment we currently witness daily in the Middle-east and around the world.
I don’t HATE Jews, Matter of Fact, I have several friends that are Natural Born Jews, and were Born in Israel, as were their parents. I am learning all this, Not for the first time, but as a secondary installation. However all this is becoming Confusing to me now. I have learned a great deal about what Mike360000 said, however I have not see much litterature regarding what you are now telling us is the TRUTH. Maybe you can Show some Links that Substantiate your comments.
@Our_Fraud-in-Chief
Hitler from what information I have read did in fact make allowances for Jews, although it is hard to establish exactly what criteria he went by. It is also said that Hitler himself was part Jewish. For it is absolutely true George Soros is a Khazar and Hitler sparred him to work in the SS, and he was just one example. And this leads me to my next statements.
You miss my main point in addressing Jews according to their genetics. If you had closely read my posts you would have seen that I explicitly differentiated between genetics and what defines Jews and Judaism. There is simply NO correlation between the two. What has happened is over time is the Jews have substituted and cloaked the word Jew to mean bloodline and genetics and this is simply NOT possible! The word Jew as well as Judaism means one’s faith and religion, having NOTHING to do with one’s bloodline and genetics. The word “Israelite” actually refers to the bloodline and genetics of the people from that area, or people from anywhere that carries those genetics. Anyone can be a Jew, IF they strictly follow the Covenant that was meant for the Jews. However, not anyone can be a Israelite, as it depends upon ancestry, bloodlines and genetics.
I haven’t read the Elders of Zion or Hitler’s Mein Kamph or anything related to such in learning what I have about Judaism and the Khazars. I have read most everything from theological books including and mainly the Bible itself. Wikipedia and online historical resources has also been a major help the last 15 years. However I have looked at ONE video from a self proclaimed anti-Zionist and anti-Semite, that being William Pierce. Nor have I read the Turner Diaries. I saw one of his videos about 2 years ago, and while it had many interesting things in it, it was nothing I hadn’t already concluded on my own. So NO, you are NOT going to box me into a corner claiming I listen to and have learned what I have from listening to other extremists. I have studied and reached my own independent conclusions from many many different sources that would be considered mainstream.
I like this quoted article that many people will take offense too.
Here is what Ben Franklin had to say about the Jews. Other Founding Fathers thought the same also.
“In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially as in the case of Spain and Portugal.”
“For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their said fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But, gentlemen, did the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other peoples not of their race.”
“If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.”
“If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.”
“Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they never will be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, and will not even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitution.”
When one learns and understands that Judaism and Jews are NOT based upon genetics, then the whole Jewish organization of today collapses. Nor do the Jews, which are actually Khazars, do they even abide by the Old Covenant from God, and that is what makes anyone a Jew. (The New Covenant is Grace) For that matter many Khazars do not even profess any religion but are atheists. The ones that do practice their religion is not the religion of Judaism because that means strictly following the Old Covenant. However these Khazars do practice a form of of Judaism called “Reformed Judaism” which now includes the Talmud, which is nothing more than the Khazar version of the Koran. Yet NOWHERE have I read or seen where God has Reformed His Covenant with the Jews. However God did void out the old covenant and introduced us to the New Covenant of Grace, which Khazars and Jews flatly reject!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
From what I read, Hitler wanted to kill any one who was not German, or who had any physical or mental problems and wanted to kill ALL Jews. It has never been proven whether he was Jewish or not, but it is felt that he was not. So, there is no definite evidence that he was Jewish.
to clarify: the Qu’ran teaches those who follow the Islam faith to hate Jews, while “the Elders of Zion” was embraced as evidence to support their irrational and murderous hatred, and has been pointed to for over a century to support their continued hatred and denigration of the Jewish people.
Warnings from our Founding Fathers against allowing Banks to control our money supply, and against the use of fake (“fiat”) paper money -
http://tinyurl.com/9vr7z5k
Please note that there is no insinuation of any kind that their warnings were in regards to any ethnic group whatsoever, and their rationale is not predicated upon any such reasoning, nor does it need to be to hold up under any scrutiny that is placed upon it.
” Please note that there is no insinuation of any kind that their warnings were in regards to any ethnic group whatsoever, and their rationale is not predicated upon any such reasoning, nor does it need to be to hold up under any scrutiny that is placed upon it.”
It doesn’t have to be as it is self-evident upon the times. All that was needed to known was that such existed. Although the Founding Fathers were aware of the Khazars/Jews and the problems they posed. See my article concerning Ben Franklin.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I don’t believe I said you “hated” Jews, @Vectorup. Can you point out where I stated that? I’d be interested to see those words somewhere, as I’m not sure that was said.
Also, I’m not sure why you overlooked the links which were already provided within my post, asking for those links to be provided again, but here they are, just for you –
Background on “The Elders of Zion” document -
http://tinyurl.com/9bjed
Article about DNA investigation showing theory of “False Jews” incorrect -
http://tinyurl.com/2v6njtk
Quotes of Founding Fathers warning of Banks controlling money supply, having nothing to do with any ethnic group whatsoever.
http://tinyurl.com/9vr7z5k
Perhaps you should try reading a bit slower before making knee-jerk responses in the future…?
I’m not sure what you’re referring to as far as trying to “box you in”, @MIKE360000, or any other number of accusations you’ve made regarding my intent here, as I’ve done no such thing.
I also did not accuse you of ever reading “the protocols of the Elders of Zion”. I did however provide you with a link to information regarding the document and it’s background. Please read it. http://tinyurl.com/9bjed
While you have not read “the Elders of Zion” ( as most anti-Zionists have not) you have read much false information that has been based on that document and influenced by it. Just as the original document was a fraud, additional literature based on it over the past 100 years also promotes a false perspective. One does not need to read the original writings if they are reading subsequent writing which has been based upon it to be influenced by it. This should be easy enough to understand.
Also, it seems we have likely spoken previously, as your explanation and your phraseology are both oddly familiar. At that time you chose to cut off our discussion, presumably because you chose to disregard the information you had been provided with and instead stick to your beliefs which were no longer able to be supported.
What you are attempting to present is incorrect. The lengthy explanations you go into may pass for intelligence to others, but are simply convoluted logic that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny, based as it is on all this garbage you’ve read over the years based on a false premise of the history and intent of the Jewish people.
As for the quotes you provided from the Founding Fathers regarding the Jewish people, when I attempted to look them up I found notations saying “the authenticity of the quote is disputed”. The fact of the matter is white supremacists and muslim radicals make up quotes on the Internet to serve their own purposes, and because one can locate a source for a quote on the unpoliced world wide web, it does not indicate its authenticity or that it was ever said in reality. In searching sources for your quotes I found nearly every website I was directed to was run by white supremacists, and can therefore give no credence to your supposed evidence.
However, having personally read more than one biography over the years of Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin, each, I can say without reservation that none of these men were known to have been racist; each believed in God given rights to every person born into this life; and each dedicated his life, his wealth, and his freedom to creating a nation and a system of government that would protect and preserve those rights for every man, Jew and Gentile alike, without discrimination; and in no biography I have ever read has any one of them said anything derogatory in regard to the Jewish people.
Further, as far as our founding fathers sentiment of the Jewish people goes, try this on for size –
“I will insist the Hebrews have [contributed] more to civilize men than any other nation. If I was an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations …
They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bubble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three-quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern.”
- John Adams, Second President of the United States
@MIKE360000 It is not difficult to determine how George Soros squeaked by the Nazi’s, as he has told the story himself in his biography, as well as in interviews many times.
George’s father changed the family name to something less Jewish-sounding (Soros). As a teenager George went to work for the Judenrat. This was a council of Jewish collaborators set up by the Nazis to aide them in their extermination efforts.
Then his father found him an even better gig:
Theodore hatched a better plan for his son. He bribed a non-Jewish official at the agriculture ministry to let George live with him. George helped the official confiscate property from Jews.
By collaborating with the Nazis, George survived the Holocaust. He turned on other Jews to spare himself.
http://tinyurl.com/czb5u36
As you can see, your assumption that Hitler had made some kind of exception was misconstrued, aside from using Jews to Nazi purposes to aid with the extermination of other Jews.
As far as your promoting, once again, that Soros was one kind of Jew or another, Hitler made no such distinction, and based upon recent DNA investigation, the distinction of Khazars as distinct from Jews as a whole is completely unfounded and without merit. The “historical” evidence has proven to be false and without any veracity at all http://tinyurl.com/2v6njtk
Please note that, as with the other posts, links have already been provided.
Please be careful NOT “with articles like this”, but with comments like yours. These instructions were written by a professor of history and he definitely knows what he’s talking about.
You are obviously not even a “student of history”.
When I hear comment like yours (AKA “it can never happen here!”) I’m crying and laughing: it happened before and it will happen again.
Your daughter doesn’t have to “calmly take out her families, friends, and neighbors” – they will will be deployed to a different “neighborhood” to “take care” of my family, my friends and my neighbors.
If they follow the orders of this illegal gang now (unlike Terry Lakin and a few The Brave Ones) they will keep following them. They will use the official propaganda to make themselves feel better.
he was 14 years old,,, surely not responsible and he never killed any jews. the aryans of germany, that generations; tea partty clan, did the dirty deed. get your facts right u winger
wow, not it is the jews fault.. u have read too much john birch society literature… ur thoughts scare me.
Well, the Founding Fathers and our Patriot Forebears had to, and were willing and eager to, take out their friends and neighbors — known as Loyalists or Tories, to gain our independence from George III. Read the Declaration of Independence and Jefferson’s bill of particulars against the King. Try to find any example (except unleashing the murderous Indian savages on the frontier) that comes anywhere close to the tyranny imposed on a daily basis by the O’bwana regime. Hey, King George was a white guy at least.
TO THE L, AN R, GO TO SEARCH TYPE IN, FEMA CAMP COFFINS, CLINK LINE 8 . SEE WHAT’S COMING.
@vrt,
Don’t think it can happen here?
It happened in 1861, which started the whole process you see today.
I hope you don’t think people have become more civilized since then, because in reality they have become much less civilized.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
This tyrannical Obama regime is targeting true patriotic Americans for destruction. They are labelling us “terrorists.” This is not true. It’s a bald faced lie. Remember, this is what we’re up against, America. Our government is our enemy. They want to kill us. Why did Dept. of Homeland Security and other government agencies buy millions of hollow-point ammunition? To kill we, the people? Never think “it’ll never happen here.” We thought no one would ever steal the election, but Obama stole the election in 2008 and got away with it. Now, he’s America’s dictator. See website: http://www.haasstrep68
i have seen many suggestions that obama could invoke martial law to keep the legal change of government from taking place or keep the election from going forward
The FED controls ALL His actions with their MONEY as you may have already seen, Trillions of Dollars being placed in the pockets of those who helped the FED steal the Americans wealth. So, if the FED wants Obama to WIN, HE WILL. Besides, Obummer gave FULL CONTROL of all Voting in this country to a Company in Spain, that by the way is OWNED by Non other then GEORGE SOROS.
Can it all be Coincidence? Shocking Secrets & Verifiable Facts about Barack Obama MSM Refuses to Report: http://youtu.be/qxB0FlYayGA
THIS IS BUNK, THE TEA PARTY IS NOT LIKE THIS, OVOMIT HOWEVER IS A REAL DANGER, HE CAN POINT A FINGER AT ANYONE AND SAY THEY AR TERRORIST’S, AND OFF WITH THEIR HEADS, WHEN IN FACT THIS REPTILIAN MONSTER IS THE TERRORIST.
You have it about right. I would only add that if the country comes to it’s senses and votes O out, there could be some unrest among the takers. They would probably burn their own living spaces down. Another great cerebral move on their part. O has been the real danger his entire life.
Retired Army Colonel would have been better off writing a scenario where Muslim terrorists coming across our southern border in small groups( with the help of Traitors in high places in DOJ and Homeland security- “Big Sis”- take a town hostage. Want to shed a few tears?? MilitaryCorruption.com
A good Patriot now Diseased, Patrick Swacey, did a movie way back called ” RED DAWN ” where the same scenario played out, and the people Loyal to the Terrorist ended up being lined up against a dirt mound and SHOT, and eventually, the Real Patriots won their Freedom back.
I knew that Patrick Swazey was diseased, but I believe now he is deceased and has been for a while.
In response to all that trust this government, believing that our own troops would not be used against citizens.All I can say is stranger things have happened in history.
The reason people think it won’t happen??? Is “normalcy bias”,… it hasn’t happened to anyone alive right now, so they think it will never happen! But, it is VERY POSSIBLE!
“IT HASN’T HAPPENED TO ANYONE?” NO? What about Randy Weavers Wife and Son? What about ALL The Branch Davidians in WACO that didn’t live? So It HAS HAPPENED, and What about ALL The BOTCHED SWAT RAIDS where 80 year old Grannies and Babies, Family Pets, and You Name it, have been Needlessly Killed and Fired Upon? What about All those? All those people are Just as DEAD Aren’t they?
vectorup,….. the “hasn’t happened to anyone” I’m talking about is a nationwide revolution! Most people don’t believe that a nationwide revolution will happen. Because they have never lived through one. “Normalcy Bias”, is at play here! I can guarantee,… when food prices hit with hyperinflation, and when the stores are empty, and everyone can not get any food people will riot nationwide! If you don’t have any guns and plenty of ammo, you’re going to be a “sitting duck”! This Country will wreak of dead bodies! things will be anything but CALM!
Please forgive me for making it sound like you were saying a counter point. I just needed to say that It Was happening Now, and Has Happened before Here in this country. I didn’t intend to say you had a Contrary opinion.
I have no doubt the military would obey orders and go against its own citizens. Hitler managed to get his henchmen to round up and shoot their own citizens, so what’s to stop Obama doing the same. He will anyway if he gets re-elected. He’ll make sure that anyone who opposed him will be punished.
Our freedoms in America were stolen a long time ago but sadly it hasn’t yet occurred to most people.
As well as civilian police.
We are toast!
Take a chill pill, pal. All my special ops friends and other military buddies do NOT like this a-hole in the WH and are ‘on the ready’ if this creep pulls ‘false flag’ crap in the next few months. So, just relax, but stay alert. “Paranoia will destroy ya!”
My uncle, a retired USAF colonel, is nothing like this, as is all other military I know. If push ever comes to shove let’s hope and pray that a right thinking military would refuse to carry out any of these illegal and unconstitutional orders, and turn to the true side of freedom. Sad we’ve gotten to this point…
The keyword is “illegal”. They will just pass a new law, that’s it. NOTHING what Stalin did was “illegal”.
Evil likes to hide it’s criminal activity behind a facade of legitimacy.
Colonel Benson must be some kind of political kook, who wants to discredit patriots. Fort Levenworth is the home of the War College, which greatly impacts the thinking of many field grade officers, who will fill very critical positions in out armed forces. This is a case of a scenario seems to be influenced by the colonel’s leftist political views and a hidden fear of freedom loving Americans. Grouping any malitia or other patriot group with the KKK is a gross error. The Klan was formed by Democrats during the reconstruction days, following the (un)Civil War. It would be interesting to know if Col Benson is a member of the Democratic Socialist of America. This would account for his thinking or not tinking.
wE NOW HAVE A PROSTEDENT THAT HAS WON A
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AND HAS A “KILL LIST”.
BRILLIANT !
This retired colonel and his liberal college professor colleague are nuts! If Republicans took control of our government in 2013, which I hope they do, and did cut off all sorts of entitlements, it would be the Leftists and the Occupy-This-and-That crowd who would likely revolt, not the TEA Party, which has always stood for peaceful protest, less government and more fiscal responsibility.
This book is drivel, and dangerous drivel at that.
this bast66rd will NOT SERVE OUT a second term………..
Dictators don’t have terms. They take what they want and deal with those who resist. Ovomit is capable of anything because of the masters he serves.
In Essense, the two writers are instructing US MILITARY Membrs to take care of these people who are out to WRECK AMERICA. That is good. We need some orders of such nature. This will counter – act those of OBOZO – the anointed one – who is a MUSLIM LOVING BROTHERHOOD MEMBER.
When Romney is president, we must all write our congress people and ask them to please put more history in the schools so our children and grandchildren will recognize the enemy when they are around. Islam, communism, socialism, fascism, and Marxism are all political systems that we do not want. They are not free systems. The only God is the One who made the Ten Commandments, Adam and Eve, and Jesus. Our culture has been a blessing to non-believers as well as believers. We believe that God requires more of us than fighting and killing but sometimes we have to defend ourselves or save others from mass destruction. It is our duty to share certain knowledge in order to help other people. Today I recognize that the same evil that tried to overtake the world in WWII is the same evil we are fighting now. It is the hatred of Christians and Jews and the evil determination to wipe them off the face of earth by radical islamists that threatens us today. We need more education in the schools because it is a matter of national security.
Please?? No, it is time we DEMAND that our government follow the Constitution as it was written and clarified in the supporting letters of our Founders.
Before the mid-term elections in 2010, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann set about setting up “Constitution Classes” for the incoming GOP freshmen. Judge Andrew Napolitano was considered to teach the classes and had Bachmann on the Glenn Beck show when he was hosting more than once discussing the possibility. I believe David Barton ended up teaching the classes. What the current state of the classes is, I do not know, nor whether incoming members of the GOP will have classes on the Constitution provided for them after the presidential election coming up in a few weeks.
In any case, the Republicans have an awareness of our government being based on the Constitution, and have shown a desire to have every member versed in the Constitution, the governments role as intended and designed by our founding fathers, and to vote according to the concepts outlined within that document. The Liberals obviously had no such interest in providing any such class to their members.
http://washingtonindependent.com/tag/constitution-classes
Our_Fraud_in_Chief, not only that but at the beginning of the session in the House, Boehner had them read the Constitution. Remember?
Disturbing to say the least! I too spent 24 years in the Air Force, have been retired since 1986, and am a staunch conservative who supports the Tea Party. How these fools can call the Tea Party “terrorists” is beyond me! The Tea Party are the true patriots who want to return to Constitutional government; smaller federal government; lower taxes; reduced national debt; less to do with the United Nations; strong relations with Israel; freedom “of” religion, not freedom “from” religion; reduced federal involvement in education; a strong military; strong families based upon traditional marriage; and strong laws against abortion. Where is the terrorism in that? I won’t say it can’t happen here, because we are in a great spiritual war for the hearts and minds of the people. The same thing happened in Germany in the 1930′s. Wake up America.
I think someone spiked the Kool-Aid that Colonel Benson and Professor Weber were drinking with LSD- must have been Janet Napolitano. I’m sure Barry has some of that lying around from his college days…
I Spoke my Mind, but as I can See and Tell, No One wants to Listen or Read, only Pump Out Their Two Cents like making Sausage.
The URL for the Federal Reserve Act is, http://fracontract.wordpress.com/contract-with-america/
Do you think everyone is supposed to just stop posting once you’ve said something, Vectorup?
You have your opinion and information to share, as do others. You believe you’re entitled to speak your mind and provide your information freely? That’s called your 1st amendment right here in America under the Constitution. Everyone else here has that same right. Just as we respect your right to post your ideas and share with others, please have the same respect and courtesy to allow others to do the same without attempting to guilt them or shame them because they do so even after you’ve said your piece. You’ve said your piece, and those who are interested will read it and follow any links you may have posted. Now, go on about your business, and allow others the opportunity to have their say as well. This is America, after all.
Well for starters, I sure see you doing a LOT of FINGER POINTING. And Had you READ ANY of my posts, you would see that I NEVER stated what you ASSUME I stated. My OPINION DOESN’T MATTER ONE LITTLE BIT. What Matters here is TRUTH. I have spent many hours collecting DATA from the Library of CONGRESS, to Post what I said about the Federal Reserve Act. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME? I Highly Doubt it. So If you don’t have ANYTHING Constructive to say about all this, Why don’t you just be a Good Little Boy and SIT DOWN.
“little boy”…? LOL I’m probably older than you are, my friend.
So, what has spending time at the Library of Congress got to do with your whining that no one is listening to you and still continuing to post? Nothing that I, or anyone else, can see…
Hasn’t anyone ever told you that name calling itself is disrespectful and childish? You’d do better to avoid doing so in the future… If you have something that’s worth saying, you can do so without attempting to belittle or disparage others as you do so. Act like an adult if you expect to be treated like one… ill manners such as whining and name calling are quite uncalled for and inappropriate in any public discussion.
“name calling itself is disrespectful and childish” Isn’t using the Term Childish the same as Name Calling? Saying someone has no manors is also about the same. I was old enough to Vote towards the end of the Viet Nam War, and I Enlisted, and was Not Drafted. And besides, what I said, about my efforts to STUDY what is REAL from the Library of Congress, was merely to advise anyone who could read that what I posted was a Legitimate Document, that explains WHY this country is currently being run by COMMUNIST, and from your Posts sir, it seems you as well might have the same Opinion as those who would see the Constitution REVOKED.
this is a familiar name and not listing is OK.
not sure why you keep quibbling, Vectorup.
To answer you: No, pointing out that ones behavior is childish is certainly not the same as name calling. It is describing an individuals behavior, not denigrating them as an individual, although I can see where you would construe the term to be a personal slight. Also, pointing out someone has a lack of manners again is not “name calling”, (what “name” would it be?) it is an observation of someones lack of respect for others and possibly an indication of their poor upbringing or emotional state, but it is not intended to diminish them personally as a slight, such as calling them names does. Many times, such observations can bring a person to an awareness they did not have previously, and not uncommonly bring about an apology; name calling does no such thing, and produces no such result.
As far as your reading into my character: what I stand for, and my thoughts on the US Constitution, you couldn’t be further from the truth if you tried. I’m sure it will be a surprise for you to learn that I actually founded a Tea Party group; I am a proud American and Patriot; I fully believe in the Constitution; am against all that the Left stands for; I have read and studied American history and the biographies of our Founding Fathers extensively; and I too voted toward the end of the Vietnam war.
I will thank you to keep your crystal ball and your belligerence in check in the future.
OK, then if I was Wrong in anything I may have said to offend or Slight you Sir, then I am Man enough to Apoligize.
My Apoligies
I see you can apologize to another man that you were wrong, but you are not manly enough or gentleman enough to apologize to a lady. wWhat a loser!
That is our right, vectorup. You can’t be nice at all can you?
Wow that’s amazing I bet their parents are so proud of them for the commission of treason against the very people and laws they have sworn to uphold and protect. I wonder who will be destroying their families while they are out destroying ours. This reminds me of a nit wit Marine on the net boasting that he and his men would go house to house and kill Americns. I wonder who will be killing his family while he’s out killing someone elses. Don’t these egg heads realize that Americans can read and write and that some f them are keeping their names and addresses? Don’t these morons realize that the New World Order knows that if we the American people can’t trust them that they can’t trust them either? What do these people think is going to happen to them when the NWO is finished using them? Why would anyone with a lick of common sense give up Constitutional Rights for privilages?
Some people just have to learn the hard way I guess.
As I have said Above, We have NOT had a CONSTITUTION SINCE the LATE 1940′s. READ what I said way up top, then Read the Contract With America many of you may have heard many Politicians Talk about but never bothered to tell ANY OF YOU what it actually said. I have Posted the FULL TEXT of the Contract ALL Politicians currently Work and Live LARGE Under at the following URL.
http://fracontract.wordpress.com/contract-with-america/
Clarification –
The document at the link you provided has an erroneous title on the page, and is NOT the “Contract with America”, it is in fact “The Federal Reserve Act”.
They are NOT the same thing.
The Contract with America was a document released by the United States Republican Party during the 1994 Congressional election campaign. Written by Larry Hunter, who was aided by Newt Gingrich, Robert Walker, Richard Armey, Bill Paxon, Tom DeLay, John Boehner and Jim Nussle, and in part using text from former President Ronald Reagan’s 1985 State of the Union Address, the Contract detailed the actions the Republicans promised to take if they became the majority party in the United States House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years. Many of the Contract’s policy ideas originated at The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America
The Federal Reserve Act, on the other hand, (enacted December 23, 1913) is an Act of Congress that created and set up the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar) and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender. The Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act
It’s easy to understand your confusion as the website you visited had an incorrect title, but they are two different documents, with the Federal Reserve Act being the one you are wanting to bring to peoples attention… and understandably so.
Our Constitution is still in effect and has been since it was drawn up by our founding fathers. Geez!
I doubt seriously the post was from a real Marine. It was more likely posted by some liberal nutjob who wanted to make Marines look like murderers.
I’[l guess that Col. Benson is a registered Democrat?
Try communist which is essentially the same thing.
I don’t know WHY I bother.
I agree with you, Vectorup. You can’t share that link too often!
hell yeah.. should take the lot of them and put them up against a wall, can;t wait for nov. 6 when the revolutio begins… time to dip some tea bags
@donblassvivar – Just remember that your “time to dip some tea bags” will be downrange from Americans who believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. So, to my new pop-up target volunteer, BRING IT ON!
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LOL, Heck of a way to say it, but I gotta say you have a Great Point there Sir.
Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, write papers. However, this paper is beyond the pale. Both the quality and reasoning contained in this work are questionable at best. Did the school receive some government grant money for her to come up with this extremely anti-American paper? Was it a grant from which this Associate Professor paid the retired Colonel a stipend for his complicity? It is obvious to readers that no one involved in the creation of this birdcage paper is an America-loving capitalist. Apparently this government has yet to discover that the best scenarios do not spring from academia. That’s an Obama fantasy.
Constitutionally, it is the Heads of the Armed Forces to Take Action when the Constitution they ALL Swore an Oath to Uphold and Defend is in Danger, but for the Life of me, I haven’t seen a single one of them Tell the TRUTH about all this.
WHY haven’t the Armed Forces Taken Action AGAINST this Traitor, or the FED Bankers who are also Traitors?
I have asked that question several times… When man fears more for his life than he loves his freedom he will most likely do whatever it takes to save his own life…..
I Agree, but these men are TOP in the Chain of Command of the Armed Forces. They have Teams to do their dirty work for them, but they still choose to Ignore what is happening, almost like they are Part of it all.
holy jesus. please take the tin foil off your heads. Obama is lawfully the president. there is NO PROOF to say otherwise.. please… please stop it, u r hurtingmy head with this wacky talk.
@donblassvivar – Unfortunately, for both you and this formerly great nation I have served faithfully, you are wrong. I’m just praying that the rest of us don’t have to be dead right to prove it to you.
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Are you FOR REAL??? You Got to be Kidding RIGHT? Are you an Ostrich? Maybe one of those who REFUSE to believe FOUND Evidence to the Contrary of what your saying? Or are you just one of the Propaganda Pushers? Or can it be that you and your kind, just like the LIAR and CHIEF, are really so dumb, you all need TELE-PROMPTERS? Pick one
donblassvivar, Obama may be president, but I don’t know how legal he is.
i cannot believe that u think obama will unleash the military on us. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what are u folks drinking in this bizaroo universe in which u live?
Read the article, donblassvivar …. read the article before you enter one more thing, please! If you are able to convince anyone here that we are wrong after reading the article about the UK paper, feel free to do so!
If, after reading the article above, you feel that it’s still impossible — well, I’d really like to know — what alternate universe have you been hanging out in, Sport? That anyone could read this paper out of the University of Kansas and still be in the stage of your denial, is unbelievable. After you’ve read it (the article linked above is, “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future”) please come back again with your comments – I’d like to see them. Will you maintain that the University of Kansas is putting out a fictitious paper? Why, to upset the teeming masses further? Do let us know.
@donblassvivar – The appropriate question is NOT what we are drinking. The REAL question is, “What are you smokin’, donblassvivar? That’s some really ‘good’ s**t!”
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I see this so many times in Articles like this, it Amazes me at just how brain washed these people really are. They are so CLOSED Minded that none of them can think without a Tele Prompter, just like their ONE WORLD LEADER, the LIAR-IN-CHIEF, or His Boss George Soros.
Are you telling us you didn’t even read the article, Don…? or the report the article was about…?
You’re here making all these ridiculous comments and threats, and you don’t even know what the article or the report actually said…? Great… perhaps you should do so before continuing to post any further.
So far, you’ve shown you have no idea what the article was about, what the report the article spoke about was about, what the Tea Party is actually about, have no idea what the Tea Party actually stands for, who it’s members are, what it’s members believe, how it’s members behave, or anything else you’ve opened your mouth about and spoken about.
You’ve insulted and threatened people for no good reason that I can see, and shown incredible belligerence and intolerance, based on some pretty irrational imaginings most likely based on the false narrative spun out by those currently controlling the white house and the main steam media, which has been co-opted by admitted socialists and communists who desire to do away with the Constitution and America as we know it.
From reading what you’ve written, it’s ironic that you seem to think you’re the one who’s Patriotic here while following the storyline of those who desire to “transform” America. Unfortunately, when believing and acting on false information (disinformation) spread by propagandists, you become what Lenin referred to as one of the “useful idiots” who actually acts on behalf of those spreading the false stories. You’re viewing the world through the lens that others have created, and seeing something that isn’t actually the way it is.
You need to slow down, take a deep breath, take a step back, and do some serious reevaluation. Wish you were a neighbor, as we could have some very interesting and eye opening discussions, and it wouldn’t take long at all for you to see just how mistaken on a number of matters you now are, and how it was that you’d been deceived.
Sir, Respectfully, You seem to be doing more Finger Pointing then Commenting on the Article.
AS A VETERAN MYSELF, I KNOW GOOD & WELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAWFUL & UNLAWFUL ORDERS. SO DO OUR TROOPS. ORDERS TO FIRE ON AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE DEFIN ITELY UNLAWFUL ON A FEW DIFFERENT COUNTS. MY VETERAN BROTHERS & SISTERS ON HERE WILL BACK ME UP ON THAT. BESIDES, DO YOU REALLY THINK “COMRADE OBAMA” HAS THE SUPPORT AMONGST THE MILITARY TO HAVE SUCH AN UNLAWFUL ORDER OBEYED ? NO, HE’D BE ARRESTED BY THE MILITARY THE SECOND THE ORDER CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH. THERE’S UNTOLD NUMBERS OF COMMANDERS JUST HOPING HE GIVES SUCH AN ORDER SO THEY HAVE AUTHORITY TO ARREST HIM. THE MILITARY CAN’T STEP IN UNTIL THEY’RE GIVEN AN UNLAWFUL ORDER. BUT ONCE IT’S GIVEN…BYE, BYE, COMRADE OBAMA !!! HE KNOWS THIS JUST AS WELL AS HE KNOWS HE DOESN’T HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT FROM MILITARY COMMANDERS TO PULL IT OFF WITHOUT SWINGING FROM THE GALLOWS FOR ISSUING SUCH AN ORDER. HAVE FAITH IN OUR BROTHERS & SISTERS IN UNIFORM, THEY’RE ON OUR SIDE & WON’T TURN THEIR GUNS ON US. IF ANYTHING, THEY’LL FIGHT ALONG SIDE US TO THE END. UNLAWFUL ORDERS BE DAMNED, THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW THEM REGARDLESS, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNLAWFUL ORDERS. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE MILITARY IF YOU’RE STILL SCARED THEY’LL TURN ON US – I PROMISE YOU THEY WON’T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why for the love of all that is just and holy would obama shoot citizens? i don;t see it happening… it is a tin-foil conspirarcy
@donblassvivar – “Kool-Aid for the donblassvivar table. Urgent!”
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Yeah, and more joints for the after dessert smoke.
Jefferson was a pot-head. And wicked fond of his hard apple cider. Yet we don’t consider HIM a crackpot. I’m fairly certain that donblassvivar doesn’t partake in anything that would boost their power of reason.
@Swampfox I’m sorry, but Thomas Jefferson was NOT a pot-head. That’s a false rumor that those in favor of legalization of marijuana have been fond of throwing out there, and many websites have been created by pot-heads who love to imagine things and claim them to be reasonable hypothesis, even if not based on actual fact, and conveniently ignoring firsthand accounts of the day regarding hemp production in early America.
I was curious about the subject myself about 15 years ago and there weren’t all the put-head websites out there back then. It was far easier to find credible sites like Encyclopedia Britannica and so on back then. There are approximately 2,000 different varieties of cannabis, and the hemp paper, rope, canvas, and clothing that was used by colonists was not cannabis sativa, or “pot” as we know it, but was of a different variety. The type of hemp that Jefferson and Washington grew on their plantations was not smokable, having far too low a content of THC to produce any kind of high. In addition to that, there is not one record of any account in history that has ever been written during that time period that has ever stated that the hemp crop was ever viewed as anything other than as a source of fiber to make needed goods from the time of its first importation right up to the passage of the “Marijuana Tax Act” of 1937. It was never smoked by the founding fathers who each left much information regarding their lives and activities in the form of personal journals, contrary to the fond misconstrue of so many pot heads out there. Historically, their assertions are quite inaccurate and unsupported, simply being the result of what they wish had been and nothing more than pure conjecture on their part.
…and just how many Biographies of Jefferson have you actually read? I’ve read several, the most recent only about 6 months ago, and not one of them has ever portrayed him as having any such fondness for alcohol of any kind aside from the occasional brew or a glass of wine as was the custom of the age. This man was perhaps the most intelligent and learned man I have ever known of, speaking 5 languages, being a lawyer, a botanist, a scientist, and so well versed in so many other areas it would impress anyone who took the time to actually know the man. He valued his intellect and his mental abilities and prowess, and was in no way given to drink as you seem to think.
Rather than spread defamatory falsehoods regarding the men who risked their lives and gave so much so that we could live as free men in the only country in the world who’s government was actually contemplated, debated, and planned in order to preserve our God given rights; the only country in the world to ever have done so; I would suggest you actually do some study of these men before you speak of them. It doesn’t take much effort to read a book, really. You might find your tendency to mock them and hold them up to ridicule and disparagement replaced with a deep respect for who they were, how they lived, and what they actually accomplished in it’s place.
Obama Personally would Not Shoot Citizens. He is just a PAWN in the NWO Game, and the UN will do his shooting for him. America already has a NON English Speaking ARMY stationed on AMERICAN SOIL, in Every One of the Military Basses Bill Clinton had Closed, and BARBED WIRE Prison Camps ALL OVER this country for those who would Reject the FALSE Christ who is being set up by the ONE Worlders.
I read the Article, and it basically told a story of a man who is being Persecuted for TELLING THE TRUTH, Not some Nut Job Tea Partier. So get the Facts Straight.
@FRENCHIE – Unlawful orders were issued to and carried out by military personnel to violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. American citizens were arrested following confiscated firearms legally owned by those citizens, and soldiers made no bones about it: They would shoot to kill any American citizens who resisted.
FRENCHIE, it CAN happen here, because it already HAS! And no one has yet been tried for having violated the Constitution in following these unConstitutional orders! Your promise is, therefore, hollow. I do wish, as a fellow combat Vet of two voluntary tours, that it weren’t so, but I can’t change facts.
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Something like this actually happened in Russia in 1992 when communism supposedly ended there. The police and troops were called out against the people. The Red Guard and police at first stood a line against the people until they began to realize it was their own families they put in place to shoot. The Guard and police turned around and were suddenly facing in the same direction as the people, and that was against the communist party headquarters. I still remember seeing the film from the Provta where they fired a 20mm Cannon through the gov’t headquarters to get their attention fully. Within a few days the old communist party was surrendering and turned control over to the new government. The Red banner with gold hammer and sickle came down and the white, red and blue banner went up. I would suspect a similar thing here. At first those specially trained and brainwashed specialists would do as Obama’s communists ordered, but then their numbers would not be sufficient to overcome the people, police and national guard along with most of our active duty military that would not honor an illegal order.
here is the key point of the article :While mainstream politicians and citizens react with alarm, the “tea party” insurrectionists in South Carolina enjoy a groundswell of support from other tea party groups, militias, racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan, anti-immigrant associations such as the Minutemen, and other right-wing groups. At the press conference the masked militia members’ uniforms sport a unit seal with a man wearing a tricorn hat and carrying a musket over the motto “Today’s Minutemen.”
i so see this happening, the nut job right wingers will go amok at some point and we will need to put them down like the dogs they are
Finally, you show your true colors. So we are “nut job right wingers” and “dogs”? Thanks for proving to all readers what YOU are.
u r welcome , dog
My reply was for donblassvivar. not you., I hoipe you didn’t think I was responding to you because I agree with you as to the purpoe of Te Party.
You’ve obviously never been to a Tea Party rally or met any real Tea Party members, my friend.
Your ideas are way off base, and don’t match reality. Apparently you’ve been filling your mind with all the false reporting of the mainstream media and the blatant lies of the corrupt administration that’s currently occupying the white house. While the Tea Party has not had even one instance of violence at any of their thousands of gatherings, and has actually left each event in better shape than when they arrived, even picking up litter after their events, the events of the Left can’t say the same. The union events have been hate filled events, the occupy events have been drug infested, rape producing, violent events even with murders being reported. You’re terribly mistaken in your ideas of who comprises the Tea Party, and you would do well to take some time, if you have such capacity, and investigate who really makes up the Tea Party, and what they really stand for. Be prepared to be let down… way down… as they aren’t who you think they are at all.
I Used to be one of those Minutemen back when Clinton started having So Called Right Wingers killed, like Randy Weavers Son and Wife, and Almost ALL of the Branch Davidians who may have had it wrong, but had a RIGHT under the Constitution to Believe what they did, as long as it didn’t Infringe on Others Rights to do the same. But I did see a certain element in the Ranks of those people who were Hell Bent on going Nuts and becoming Trigger Happy Nut Jobs. That is Normal, even in the Ranks of the Armed Forces, but they were usually Fragged and sent home in a Body bag and their ruck sack split among the survivors.
So when you talk about the OCCASIONAL Nut Job, be sure they will be dealt with when the time comes, by the same ones they Wrongfully Represented. No I am not a Minuteman any longer. there was not enough ORDER for me to want to continue to be party of that sort.
You have never been close to a tea party rally, though this report goes to extremes tpaint it and it’s members as terrorist’s or supporters of terrorist’s that si not the truth. Learn something other than the left wing vitriole that is spewed daily from themain lame stream media. We are farmers, construction workers, mother’s, father’s, sons and daughters. We are veterans and we are voters. We believe in what this country is to stand for. the constitution and it’s framers did not envisions such power crazed people in the positions of power. they did not foresee carerr polititions and massive funded lobby’s the communist’s,marxist’s didnt enter their thouthts as they didnt exist. The government has left it’s proper path and we the tea party intend to return it to it’s correct directions. If that is spouting war and rioting. then i guess you have indeed had way too much of the lib koolaid and are a lost soul. i pity you, but if it comes to it you will be in my gunsights as well
@donblassvivar – “Waiter! More Kool-Aid for the donblassvivar party of one!”
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The assumption of conservatives taking over the government and cutting speindfing sounds like a gook idea to me and all other whites I know. Why would we be the ones of white mobs cause havoc? We hsve seen angry Black Mobs and Latino Mobs rioting for years, and years and years. Where was all of the Military killing the blacks and Chicanos? This whole scenario ts a bunch of Poppycock Trash. Some DemoNaziCommies trying to inflame the backbone of the country. The people that create wealth for everyone of the sucking drones of … ESAD America Haters.
However, that could also explain my brother seeing helo rope down training by the Army that looked like training for the capture of high value individuals. Obama’s special brainwashed troops could have a list of high value individuals they would plan to take down first before people begin to realize what is happening.
Sheesch — now he resorts to name-calling and reveals his true self. What an ugly mouth. This is but a tiny part of the cancer spreading throughout America. The bottom line is that such people fear opposition and believe their shouted words and nasty insults will change the outcome — just let them spew their hatefulness ……. what pitiful, miserable souls they must be.
I think the Col. & Professor got som Gov. Stimulis money to write this preposterous ” Finding/ Study.” This OB Adm. is costantly trying to paint a picture of the Tea Party as some kind of violent Terrorists. So many Americans ( Mostly Liberal ) don’t really understand what the Tea Party IS, and how it came to BE. In the short version, it was because patriotic Americans saw their Constittion being followed less & less. It is a movement to remind people of their ” Roots,” and the ” Founding Principals,” of this Country. This is the way I see the Tea Party. I’m not an Officier of it, Just a member, who is concerned about the Direction this Country is Headed. The OB Adm. tries to demonize the T.P because they want to wipe ot the History of the USA..
u r,.. u are nutts and when the revolution comes,. i want to be the first to put u against the wall, u are a threat to democracy
Just who are you threatening here, Don…?
and you think threatening someone with murder is a good thing? a democratic thing?
It seems you are one very intolerant person who is some kind of irrational control freak.
irrational enough to murder someone because of your extreme sensitivity and intolerance.
The USA was a Constitutional Republic, Not a De MOB Ocracy. It was a Democratic REPUBLIC.
“was” a democratic republic…? Last time I checked, it still is.
@donblassvivar it is a misconception that America is a democracy, as a democracy is “majority rule”. It’s too bad this isn’t taught more clearly in school, or that no one in the government has taken the time to point this out and have our citizens understand this.
Our country was designed to be a Constitutional Republic, sometimes called a Democratic Republic. The idea being that our country, including our government, is based upon Laws which are based upon the principles established first in its founding document, the United States Constitution.
This document establishes the “mission statement” of our country, so to speak; it explains the legitimacy and reason for its becoming independent from England, and a sovereign country itself; it lays out the structure of our government; it explains the role of each branch of government; it explains the limits of government; and clearly states that all else that is not explicitly stated in that document is reserved to either the States, or to the Individual citizens of this country.
It is a Republic, because we have representatives who are in place who are supposed to vote according to the will of the majority of their constituents.
So, we are not a democracy, as we are not ruled by the will of the mob. We are 50 independent sovereign states, each with the right to determine their own laws, very much like the individual countries of Europe. It is not the Federal Governments role to impose it’s will, or the will of people in other states upon the members of individual states.
With this in mind, it is an impossibility for this country to be a democracy; we are a nation of laws based upon a representative form of government; with 50 individual sovereign states; all based on the premise that man was endowed by his creator with certain obvious and undeniable rights, which is the governments primary responsibility to preserve and protect, and to not interfere with.
Beyond this, there are other responsibilities of the government, such as national security, and to regulate our money supply. These are all laid out in the US Constitution, and the document itself was intended to be understood and adhered to, not interpreted at the whim of any group of individuals and set aside in favor of “case law” as has been done, and which people believe is how things are supposed to be. It is not how things are supposed to be, and we’ve already gone far astray from how this country was designed and intended to be run. Hopefully, we’ll see a strong return to Constitutional principles once again after the election on Nov. 6, and subsequent transition of power that so many of us expect will take place on Jan. 20th of next year.
While I would Love to admit I was Wrong, I have to say you are wrong for believing that we still live under Constitutional Law. Take Common Law for example. Common Law requires a Coprus Delecti to bring about a WARRANT for Arrest. How do you figure this is still the way Our Government is run, considering all the Swat Raids, and Taking of Firearms, and Arresting people for Protesting in the streets, as well as when GW Bush was a political candidate, the Protesters were only allowed to be behind a Fence way back where their protests could not be Seen or heard. So Please tell me also, How we are still under a Constitutional form of Government when the Federal Reserve Act alone Dictates what happens now in this country, because the FED Bankers have Never stopped being in Receivership of this country, and now the US Code has and is Dictating all the UN Constitutional Regulations, as well as all the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Alphabet soup agencies the FED Government currently has in place. Please Explain all this to me if you would be so Kind.
@Vectorup
Again you are right… You asked all the right questions and made all the right statements.
Of course AFiC is saying that we live in a Democratic Republic and that we have certain laws defined as to how the Federal Government operates in reference tot he US Constitution. Many people, especially conservatives makes this assumption or correlation. What they ALWAYS fail to realize and address is the facts that times have changed and the way the US Constitution is interpreted has changed with those times. The liberals like to refer to this change in reading as the US Constitution being a LIVING DOCUMENT. If one will look back over my previous on Western Journalism you will see I explain this many times. I may post more of it again here, if I have the time.
The mistake made is that the US Constitution is NOT a Living Document. It is a STRICTLY interpreted document. Now, guess who was the first person, a president, too interpret the US Constitution as a Living Document? It was Abraham Lincoln. The end result, even according to Lincoln was a quote from him stating, “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic.”
I ask any of you; Where is the Republic today concerning the US? Where is any Republican form of law? I’ll tell you that it does not exist today in the US. Yet Americans go on believing and acting just like the US Constitution is in full force. They assume that congress and laws today will pass the litmus test of the US Constitution, and it will NOT! This is why you can name all the examples you did and you are correct. Laws are based today on democratic principles and the whims and prejudice of voters. This leaves out any protection from any form of Republican law or its’ actions of “Rule of Law”. Which also means the simple majority can pass virtually any law under the pretense of it being defined from the basis of a Living Document, the US Constitution. Of which this also means practically any law can be passed at any time depending on the way they wish to interpret it and according to the interpretation of the US Constitution as it would pertain to any such law being discussed.
As I’ve stated many times, today as a political system the US by practice is a “Federal Democratic Union-FORCED”. There is NOTHING concerning a republican form of government about it, except it is used as a cover in efforts to make people think are still governed the way they were originally intended to be. It simply makes people feel good thinking they still practicing the original laws of the land and following the US Constitution like the good slaves they are. All the while they are being led like sheep to slaughter, being completely ignorant of their own demise. I see it happen here all the time. Only a few of the best knows and understands the truth of the matter…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Again, please read more slowly, Vectorup, or perhaps reread a second time before posting these knee jerk responses. Were you to do so, you’d notice that last paragraph I wrote, which spoke to the issue of having strayed from the principles outlined in the Constitution, as well as expressing the hope that we will begin to see a return to Constitutional principles once again, once we regain control of the government after the Nov. 6th elections.
As our Founding Fathers designed it, we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Surely, you understand and agree with that?
If you’d like to make the case that because of the erosion of our government, both State and Federal, we now have some other kind of Government, then please, go ahead and make your case and define for us what you would have us call our current form of government.
Otherwise, the structure has not been removed, but simply disregarded or perhaps been papered over, so to speak… but the fact is, we are still supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, and this concept should be what’s being taught in our schools, and what should be referred to by our public servants… not the idea that were were founded upon a Democratic form of government. Or do you disagree on this as well?
I agree with you Sir, and I apoligize for my misunderstanding of your statements.
As for the Other form of Government we are under, Please feel free to read the Federal Reserve Act, which happens to be the ” Contract With America ” ALL the Politicians have been talking about, but have never explained what it does or says. Also, please read a document called UCC Connection by Howard Freeman which Explains what I am saying now.
“… will begin to see a return to Constitutional principles once again, once we regain control of the government after the Nov. 6th elections.”
That will NOT even begin to return the country to a republican form of government! It won’t have any impact other than to merely slow down the rate of implosion of the country. Romney will not reverse anything of substance. We’ve had how many presidents since Lincoln, and how many have actually tried to return the country to republican form of government that Lincoln destroyed? Wilson didn’t as he established the Federal Reserve and stated on his deathbed that in doing so he had destroyed the country, and he asked for forgiveness. FDR didn’t, as he played to the Rothchilds bank in England and to the Federal Reserve, having to go to war to save his masters! Teddy Roosevelt didn’t, as he was a great Progressive, another word for liberal, for which he established many new liberal social programs. Kennedy, no. Truman, no. Reagan, no! Not ONE president has ever made any efforts to restore the Republic. And “None Dare Call it Treason”, read the book by John Stormer.
You completely fail to realize that Mitt Romney is also part of the problem. The only difference in him is he is a lot nicer acting and better mannered than Obama. But both have their ideologies in forms of Marxism, better known as “Fabian Marxism”.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@MIKE360000 -
Lincolns quote “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic.” was not in regards to any interpretation of the Constitution. Where did you ever get such an idea? He was expressing his regret and anguish over the civil war which pitted brother against brother; caused the wholesale destruction of railroads, buildings, roads; caused the death of nearly 700k countrymen; and such inhumane conditions as the prisoner of war camps at Andersonville, and others.
As far as your viewpoint of who the first individuals were to interpret the Constitution, you would do well to read “The Anti-Federalist Papers” primarily written by Alexander Hamilton, which was a response to “The Federalist Papers”, in which James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and John Jay intended to explain in depth what the meaning of each section of the US Constitution actually meant.
After this, you had the 2nd president of the United States, John Adams, attempt to put his own interpretation on the document and usurp more Federal control than provided for in the Constitution, resulting in the “Alien and Sedition Acts”. In response to these, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson wrote the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions, once again clarifying the role of government, and explaining that it’s overreach was in fact, null and void, hence the term “nullification”. The Alien and Sedition Acts were later rescinded.
So, the concept of interpretation of the document the United States Constitution is not a modern occurrence, but has been going on since its inception. Calling it a “living document” is simply the latest excuse for attempting to give it meanings according to one groups desires or another rather than actually taking the time to read and study the document within it’s own context and understanding what its clear and unsoiled meaning actually is in its entirety.
@Our_Fraud-in-Chief
“…Lincolns quote “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic.” was not in regards to any interpretation of the Constitution….”
Oh that is a good one, really good! Let me ask:
Just what is the US Constitution?
What makes it what it is?
What is the term given to the political system it establishes?
The answer to the last question is, it created a Democratic Republic or more simply a Republic. How many ways can one destroy a Republic? Cannot material and physical things be rebuilt? That is where you are leading with your following statements that the Republic was rebuilt; right? But the POWER that makes any Republic rests solely with people delegated to care for that Republic. Initially these people MUST agree on rules and regulations that define their Republic. This is where the term, “Rule of Law” comes into being, and it is applied equally to everyone as determined by the initial vote/creation of the Article that sets forth the initial laws of the land. “Due Process” is the exorcize of a Republican form of government in action.
We have started out with a Republic being a noun of a physical nature and we ended up with it in action as a verb being described as Due Process. The first must equal the second and last. You cannot affect one without affecting the other two. Destroy one and you destroy the others. In effect what Lincoln done was to destroy a people and culture, and with its’ destruction the balance of power was tilted one way. There was no more equality of the people delegated to the preservation of the Republic. The sovereignty of the people was usurped by the Federal Government in doing so and in the process the Republican form of government broken and destroyed. This is when the Federal Government declared its’ authority over the states, which it won by force and in the process by default created a democracy, though somewhat limited at first, it was given the power to eventually grow to unlimited power. Today this political system can best be described as a “Federal Democratic Union–FORCED”.
In achieving this destruction the US Constitution had to be changed in such a way as to limit any strict interpretation of it in order that the Federal Union is preserved. Lincoln originally done this by interpreting the US Constitution, not as it was strictly intended to be followed, by he interpreted it according to his own opinions, ONLY his! Accordingly this turned the US Constitution into a “Living Document”, open to interpretation by any one person or group of people having the authority that is now conveyed to them. The Rule of Law has now been broken in doing so. For any person, accumulating enough power is now above the law! Lincoln done it originally as is Obama is doing it today. Congress allowed this treason when it reconvened on July 4, 1861. (They had no choice as Lincoln had already forced the decision.) Read Lincoln’s speech to congress in order to learn exactly what Lincoln said he had done. In short Lincoln said he committed all his previous acts, against both North and South in order to restore order and “HE THOUGHT”, it was “HIS OPINION”, that he followed what the US Constitution strictly stated. He claimed he could not ask congress as required because they were not in session. Of course he didn’t say he broke the peace treaty with South Carolina in ordering reinforcements there against the will of congress! (This remained secret until after the war.)
So, you have a piece of paper called the US Constitution, which defines the will of the people as a Republic, governed by the Rule of Law and Due Process, which was broken by a president that didn’t follow the Rule of Law or Due Process, which ended up destroying one of the governing sides of people that formed this Republic, and you still think this is a Republic?
When you beat someone into submission and rule by force and fear, all you have is tyranny, NOT a Republic. You have destroyed their dignity, their loyalty towards you, and their God given right of Sovereignty (Choice, their free agency). Trying to reconstruct them in your own image is a big fallacy. It didn’t work on the Scottish, or the Irish, or the American Indians, and it didn’t work on MANY of us Southerners; Some scalawags it has worked on, (Lovinspoonful is a good example) but for old Rednecks like me, We’re UNASHAMED, UNREPENTANT, “UNPOLITICALLY” CORRECT, AND UNRECONSTRUCTABLE.
You destroyed your own country, so don’t ever expect me and my kind to ever help you keep what you now have. For you got it from destroying your now ex countrymen, including their properties of land and money, as well as any voice they ever had in government. Easier to say by conquer, rape, murder and pillage. In return you now have an Imperial Empire that is in its’ death throes.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Our-Fraud-in-Chief, mIke 360000 sure loves to hear himself talk doesn’t he? Too bad he doesn’t make any sense. Well, as the sahying goes, “You can’t fix stupid.”
AMEN BROTHER. Hoo Rah, or should I say YEEEEE HAH
@Vectorup
Although off-topic, you may be amused with the following anecdote regarding areas “allowed” for protest: While silently protesting an unlawful series of actions by the United States National Park Service (NPS), several armed National Park Service Rangers attempted to advise and order unlawfully that our small group to move to the “1st Amendment area” rather distant and isolated from the public area where we were lawfully assembled. My response? “May I ask where the ’2d Amendment area’ is located?” (Yes, I was “properly” attired as an American exercising my 2d Amendment RIGHTS, as is my daily custom.) There was no response from the NPS Rangers, and our group was not further harassed by the jackboots.
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@donblassvivar – Just remember: When my back’s “…against the wall…,” you’re downrange from my position.
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the group they need to investigte is the OWS. why does Obama and Pelosi back that rabble group?
Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is insanity. Anyone who thinks that a Republican would be any less treasonous than a Democrat needs to take a good look back at ALL of our Presidents. This “left”/”right” division is crap. When Obamy was a Senator he voted RIGHT ALONG WITH BUSH! And I fail to see why people who have paid all their lives out of EVERY paycheck for Social Security and the like call them “Entitlements”. They are NOT entitlements. YOU FRIGGIN PAYED FOR AND EARNED WITH YOUR SWEAT, these “Entitlements”. Our biggest enemies are the media BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT, the “Federal” Reserve, and anyone who would have us fight and demonize each other for holding different opinions. IS this America? Or ISN’T IT!? I see people crying FREEEEDOM! Yet being the FIRST to want to take someone else’s. AND what happened to separation of Church and State! As for our Republic, it’s been owned by outsiders wanting One World Gov’t for a LONG time. Our Republic was fully usurped February 21, 1871, with the 41st Congress. And on a more recent note, the President has not the power to declare war. THAT goes SQUARELY to Congress. Yet BOTH Bush, AND Obamy have taken it upon theirselves to do just that. When your doors are kicked in at 3am, it will be by troops with BADGES. The news will spew a snippet (if at all) that some lawbreaking extremist who was planning a terrrrrist attack was taken in, or killed in a gunfight with police. 1.8 billion rounds of 40.cal hollowpoints, bulletproof, self-contained checkpoint booths, and See Something Say Something, will be the end. Faux News is not your friend, and neither is NBC. ALL MSM are Goebbelsesque. And they all pander to your divisiveness, while never giving any REAL news. As for all the folk who think that we’re under attack from Islam, give me a break. We are under attack from Globalist Capitalists. Stalin said that Capitalism is the HIGHEST form of Communism. I’d also like to point out that all those lazy sobs with no jobs, aren’t gonna HAVE ANY JOBS, cause people love their cheap Chinese crap from Walmart. Oh yeah, which reminds me, I forgot to include Walmart in my list of treasonous sobs. Name me a town who’s moms and pops stores didn’t go out of business within a few yrs of Walmart coming to town. LASTLY, these “debates” are totally manufactured CRAPdrivel. Where are the OTHER people running for President on MSM? All I ever see is TWO! THAT should say enough RIGHT THERE!
Wrong, Bush did not declare war on his own,. He went to congress and got their permission. Obama is the one who decided too put”boots on the ground” in Libya without permission from Congress. DO NOT put Bush in the same catregory as Obama. Obamaf byopasses Congress every chance he gets. Bush did not do that.
It matters not one bit whether they are Republican or Democrat. When they go to Washington, they are Briefed on Just Who OWNS their Pink Slip, as well as WHO Prints the Money. If they want to STAY in Office, they SUBMIT to the FED, or get Arkansided, or set up like Richard Nixon was.
the tea party is the real threat to democracy in the united states. its members believe things must be there way or no way. they are intolerant and do not believe in civil rights, nor the constitution, a world with thme in charge would be no different than a place like iran or north korea. it would be a scary place where rightrs would be limited and people arrested and sent to prison for “crimes” of abortion or same sex marriage or for being a minoirty.
Not sure where you got your ideas from, but they couldn’t be more wrong. You’ve obviously never been to a Tea Party rally, or spoken with a Tea Party member yourself, or you would certainly not be making such false and foolish statements as you have.
The Tea Party certainly does believe in civil rights; they have stood for and preach the need to follow the Constitution since there very begining all across this country. Your imagining the world to be like Iran or Korea is pitiful in its ignorance when the Tea Party actually stands for and preaches the very same Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness that our founding fathers intended us to have.
The issues of abortion, gay marriage, and illegal aliens are issues of morality and of Federal Law. Don’t confuse the issues here.
I have seen many of those Rallies and the ones that ALWAYS CAUSE TROUBLE, are sent there Disguised as Tea partiers, when in Fact, they are Opposition just there to make the Good people look bad, JUST LIKE HITLER DID.
You are a total idiot and need to be put in a mental institution. I don’t know where you got your ideas – probly from another idiot. the group you need to be cnocerend about is the OWS. that is the violent, rapng, vandalizing, burning, robbing group that leaves filth, dirt and feces behind after thehave ruined some of the lovely parks around the country. You should not be allowed out alone to roam this country with your vitriole. your lies, and your idiocy.
Why is it that so many people here think America is a DEMOCRACY? America Used to be a CONSTITUTIONAL Democratic REPUBLIC. A Democracy is where the MAJORITY can tell the MINORITY what they Can and Can’t Do. A Democratic Republic is where The Minority are Protected by a Common Law against the Majority who would control the minority and their lives. Please, if you do nothing else, Learn the Difference.
I expect that once we have some competent, rational leadership in the White House again, we will see a decrease in the type of thinking and rhetoric the current occupants of the white house have incited these past 3 1/2 years….
The article is disturbing, to put it mildly – and the report obviously written by a couple of disturbed individuals.
Many comments below show peoples ignorance of the Tea Party, obviously being swayed by the false picture the media and the current administration has painted, with no first-hand knowledge at all. We’re talking grandmothers and grandfathers, working class people, law abiding citizens, and unlike the “occupy movement” not one case of violence or even littering at any gathering since their inception. There’s a lot of projection going on here, but it doesn’t describe the Tea Party in the least. The media and the current administration have created a strawman that doesn’t exist, and all these people who are so intolerant and mean spirited here are raging about something that doesn’t even exist as they think it does.
A lot of this ridiculous rethoric comes from our president. He has always bad-mouthed the Tea Party, for some uknown reason. It is a group of grass rootre people, ordinary every day people who are fed up with the taxdesd not only from Obama but Bush also. So what is the problem with this adminsitration that they would support any such action. as described above. Obama does not have the right to break the law to accomplish such stupidity. I would say he is in enough trouble already without creating any more.
What was the Tea Party about ANYWAY? It was about BEING TAXED WRONGFULLY. The CIVIL WAR was Not about Setting Blacks FREE, but it was about the Southern States that Grew ALL the FOOD STUFF’S BEING TERRIFED OUT OF BUSINESS by the Northern States. So the Southern States decided it was time to Separate from the Union, and that would have caused the North to either Rethink their High Taxation of the South, or STARVE. So Abraham Lincoln was one of the FIRST OBAMA’s to take the British Bankers GOLD to keep the WRONGFUL WAR on the SOUTH going till the North got what they wanted, and that was to Control the South and All they created, which is the same as saying, Abraham Lincoln wanted to STEAL THE WEALTH of the SOUTH, and The Government is Still doing that today.
Red Flags All Around–But the Media Won’t Tell!
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=4301673%3ABlogPost%3A1032197&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Jake
Obamanites Get Violent in Support of the Agenda!
http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/obamanites-get-violent-in-support-of-the-agenda/
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Jake
Yea, I read that. All I could say is that is Good News. That way the Innocent won’t be there when the shooting starts.
It’s Getting Very Serious Now!
http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/its-getting-very-serious-now/
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Jake
Yup, I can see it now, military vets and active duty both defying presidential directives in order to follow what they consider is the US Constitution they swore to uphold.
I’ve seen this argument before and it doesn’t hold much water. We had the VERY EXACT same thing happen in 1861 when Lincoln declared war on a bunch of people who he claimed violated the US Constitution. This is in spite of the fact he said such a thing was completely legal in 1847 while a congressman. Yet it was Lincoln in his 1st address to congress, when it reconvened in July 1851, Lincoln stated he acted according to the Constitution the way HE understood it, and he applied HIS understanding of the US Constitution to everyone without due process. A few men revolted in the military and simply left to join the South, mainly their homes states. However far far more stayed and followed Lincoln’s orders without so much as a word of protest. In the meantime Lincoln declared martial law, nationalized many businesses, shut down over 1000 Northern newspapers while destroying app. 325 printing presses from those newspapers and imprisoning several hundred newspaper reporters and owners for simply disagreeing with him. All the while he conducted his war of conquest while also at the same time destroying the US Constitution. For it was Lincoln who said this now famous quote, “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic!” (From his speech addressing the Banking Act of 1863.)
No, when the time comes to put up or shut up, the vast over-whelming majority will run and hide just like in 1861. The few left standing in defense of the US Constitution and freedom will be so small they will be over run and destroyed just like in 1865. Only this time the losers will fair even worse than having their property looted and destroyed, the women raped and families killed. This time it will be genocide against those people opposing the federal government.
You are now seeing just a little of the price paid for the results of Lincoln’s War. You supported it and wanted it, so now you got it, ALL IN SPADES!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Thank You Mike for the FACTS
I FULLY believe that all the vets and active duty troops today will stand up to be counted. But there’s one thing we are overlooking here; ObamaCare has a section that sets up a CIVILIAN army, a well armed one, too. Many departments of the government have recently been stocking up on MILLIONS of rounds of ammunition. No one knows why. Is that to become part of this equation? We all know who that ‘army’ will be drawn from. We have seen them at work, during the 2008 election, standing ‘guard’ at some of the polls. Obama knows that most of the military will be loyal to America. His civilian army will be hand picked, from the ranks of the America-haters and our other enemies. I can foresee a very ugly outcome to this scenario! It’s a slippery slope and we must be very careful that the pot does not boil over. Right now our best ‘weapon’ is our votes. Let’s hope that we never have to pull out the heavy artillery!
Unfortunately this report by the Army war college is true and names the tea party and constitutionalist’s as primarily “terrorist’ groups. Yes our founding fathers are in trouble under the present regime, i use the term regime as it has crossed the line toward a totalatarian dictatorship both in actions and with this commisioned ‘study’. Those of us who are principled patriots and believe in our constitution are being targetted. The government is reading these posts and comments and looking thru programs like canivore for our locations so that we may be attacked individually before we have a chance to truly organize into a militia. We need to kick obama and his cohorts out. but even more importantly i believe we need to kick the un out of america. We need to cleanout the socialists,communist’s marxist’s,islamic sharia and it’s followers. clean out the congress and supreme court. These branches of government have al been infiltrated and comprimised. Be careful and aware of your sourroundings, also be very prepared for anything
Such short memories of the ones that don’t think our own soldiers would fire upon their own.
On May 4, 1970, a student demonstration at Kent State, Ohio left four students dead, one paralyzed, and eight others wounded. This demonstration, meant to be one of many peaceful demonstrations against the war, was ended abruptly and violently when the National Guard fired into the crowd for 13 seconds. The brief shootings ended the lives of students Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder, and Sandra Scheuer. The distances ranged from 270 feet to 390 feet. Some of these students were not even directly involved. Justified or not by self-defense, the “massacre” sparked a nationwide student strike that closed many colleges and universities.
For me I will “cling to my Faith and my guns”.
You did not tell the whole story. there had been many demonstrations at unversities and colleges that were not peacveful – burning, etc., staged by known violent fctionsd. If you are going to tell the story, tell it all. Yes, a Nastional guard member fired when he wasn’t supposed to, but there were reasons the National Guard was there and that was due to the violence at other universities. The name, Angela Davis, comes to mind. Look up her history and the history of others that led these riots If I am not mistaken, rocks had been thrown at the National Guard members. I’m not saying that was a reason to shoot but the situation was very tense.
Really???????? They were threatened from 270 to 390 feet away, with a ROCK???? No excuse!!! Four young lives cut short for no reason! Ever heard of non lethal force? Hell I own plastic bullets that were made long before 1974 for just this reason, bean bag projectiles, rock salt, water cannons shall I go on? There was no excuse for those clips to be loaded with lethal rounds. It happened and will happen again if people don’t get there head out of their a– before Nov. 6th. And yes I do no the whole story only too well.
read the entire history of the riots and burnings at the universities.
One thing I learned about these demonstrations is that Agent Provocateurs come out of the Wood Work to start Trouble, so the City Counsel has a Right to “Protect and Serve”, and normally end up hurting more Innocent people then would be if the crowd was just left alone to Protest.
Another thing I have learned is that the Agent provocateurs are normally Under Cover LEO’s, sent there to do what they can to cause trouble so the whole event can be shut down.
The correct spellng of the word counsel is “council”
@lovinspoonful – Thank you for counseling Vectorup regarding “Council” [sic] being the correct spelling, absent, of course, not having capitalized your counsel correctly.
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Please forgive my spelling. I have had a bit of a hard time with spelling growing up. It has been very difficult for me to remember the different ways to spell certain words. So I guess this is GANG UP on Vectorup time now. Well OK, get it out of your system, so we can get back to what this article is all about.
Sorry fellas, “counsel” is a legitimate word.
I spell it that way myself. It’s the old way.
Read it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counsel
Doesn’t mean I don’t make plenty of mistakes in my spelling and grammar though, cuz I do.
I put more emphasis on the facts and history than on the language, unless I have to overly technical concerning me making a specific point in a certain way. I’m satisfied if I can simply make my point. I been known to correct my language instructor in college a couple of times.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
It’s kind of comical if you think about it. Out of all I said about Agent Provocateurs, the only thing she/he could see was a misspelled word. Go Figure
@Vectorup
It’s all they had left to try and make you look bad.
If you can’t beat them with the facts, attack something else about them, Ad hominem.
It’s been the liberal bread and butter attack for decades.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@lovinspoonful
@Mike360000
and Vectorup
I have no regrets at bursting y’all’s bubbles, for lovinspoonful, irrespective of Mike360000′s link, is absolutely correct. (Mike360000′s link does not address the correct usage in the context of lovinspoonful’s correction.) “Counsel” (as in “to counsel someone” or as used to address an attorney) is a distinctly different word with a meaning distinctly different from that of “council” (as in “Town Council”).
Dontcha jes luv the language‽
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Well Sir, As I said before, I have always had a real problem with Language. I had a form of Autism as a child, and I was 12 before I actually started Talking because I could not comprehend what was being said. it has taken me many years to get over it, to the point where I am today, and thanks to people like Mike who take their time to explain things, I do understand where his Council (Councel) helps me LEARN.
Thank you so much. It’s nice to have people come to my rescue.
True True If I’m not mistaken Davis U in Davis CA. comes to mind while the students that were peacfully protesting, a lot of them sitting down had mace forcebly sprayed into their eyes. As it aired on the nightly news the University ended up paying hefty judgements as well as the P.D. beings they were on the University’s payroll. You’re absolutly right Vectorup, if left alone it would have ended peacefully with their point made.
A good many of the protest that have happened in the late 1900′s would have been Peaceful, had it not been for the PD being in cognito starting trouble then leaving so the real Peaceful ones got Maced or beaten, or worse.
@vectorup
Having read a lot of the tripe dished out by a couple of posters on this thread, if it’s any consolation when TSHTF I would consider it an honour to stand on your right side,and I believe it won’t matter if your spelling is up to scratch or not.
“Everyone needs to be prepared, to believe the unbelievable”.
“Everyone needs to be prepared, to believe the unbelievable”.
That is the best single statement in this whole thread and possibly the single best statement in this whole forum! It says so much, I can’t add anything more to it!
Thanks,
Michael–Deo Vindicabamur
Thank You Sir. I can assure you, if you were at my 6, or my 12, I would not let you down.
And yes, at my 3, Any Time.
Col. Benson and Prof. Weber should seriously consider endeavors in some other field! Their scenarios and conclusions have no validity whatsoever!
This entire ludacris study is simply one oxymoronic contridiction after another, blending opposing scenarios with opposing ideologies and for whatever absurd reason, these two individuals have attempted to reconcile these opposing scenarios and ideologies by creating the ridiculous notion that the orderly and peaceful individuals of the “TEA Party” who quietly work within the framework of our Constitution are somehow the antagonists in this satirical work of fiction when in fact the scenario they have orchestrated is more attributable to the violent and disorderly actions of the Lefts Occupy Movement in attempting to close down and bring chaos to America’s financial districts or the violence and disorderly conduct exhibited by Union demonstrations in their attempt to shut down the State Government of Madison Wisconsin or the Ports of Washington!
That didn’t bother you when you decided to rip me up did it? Yu didn’t wprry about the topic of this forum then, did you? Do you know how to use a dictionary? Try it sometime. You didn’t have a problem GANGING UP ON ME did you, as well as accusingme of taknkig drugs, being a leftist communist and any other hateful, nasty thing you could think of. You deserve just what you are getting.
@lovinspoonful – As for taking drugs, it would be my suggestion that, to combat sensitivity, returning to a medicated state might be preferable for all. If we’re on the same side, might as well keep it light; if not, then, “Ready on the right!….”
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@Drawer22
I gotta say this from a personal POV.
Only Southern gentlemen and those who believe likewise can disagree, debate and compromise and still act like gentlemen and be true friends when the discussion is over.
I was taught this as a small boy, as was many other Southern boys who would listen and try to uphold themselves and family. This runs very contrary to what you hear about Southerners but it is the truth, for I have lived it and experienced it. I just didn’t realize and appreciate it until I grew older. Only a yankee can slander another, act rude and vulgar, show no integrity or honesty, and you can never compromise with them or debate them without running the risk of losing your good nature and saying something that is unbecoming a gentleman. ONLY a yankee or the spirit of one can drive a Southern gentleman to cussing. I’ve witnessed it many times and fallen for it myself a number of times. I may have been physically beaten, but I still know my manners and will hold my head up in honor. I humbly suggest a little self discipline in manners for anyone who thinks they are right, for that is what makes one stand out and be taken seriously. If one wants to be noticed and be accepted for their intelligence, the first thing you must do is act intelligent! I say this for anyone willing to listen.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Being a Southerner myself, I have to strongly agree. The only times I have ever been pushed to the point of no return is when a Northern person resorted to slander of my flaws because they could not refute what I had to say any other way.
@Vectorup
To be fair there is a big difference in being a Northerner and a yankee. Actually Northerners who are not yankees are decent people, almost like us. Look at the people here, there are many people from Northern states who are almost as conservative as we are and having the same ideals of life. It’s the yankees that are different, they were the liberals in the 1800s and they are still the liberals today. Difference being the liberals were Republicans in the late 1800′s and now they are Democrats.(role reversal) Just equate liberals to yankees. Northern conservatives are copperheads and Southern liberals are scalawags. Simple as that. Just remember you still have a lot Northern friends and Southern enemies! I just got this feeling in the end we’re all going to be lumped together anyways, either to share in victory or in being exterminated. My grand dad mentioned this a little to me about 50 years ago. Said I would live to see the end of the country come about, the finish of the war. I didn’t understand then, but now I surely do. That’s why it isn’t over…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I think I’m starting to understand now. You sure are a Great Teacher. If I had had a teacher like you in school. I might have gone a lot farther in life.
@Mike360000
Words by which to live well — and by which standards I fail too often. Thank you for your gentlemanly reminders.
As for spelling, grammar, punctuation and general use of the language, while I’ll admit to being anal about it, my subscription is to that of proper use, else why would there be the rules? I greatly enjoy wordcrafting and greatly admire those who do so well, attempting to correct as amenably and gently as possible where there are notable and glaring errors. (CapsLock is a pet peeve, as it makes it so much harder to read and cohesively comprehend the subject.)
@Mike360000 & Vectorup
Regarding the Northern v Southern threads of discussion, I’d be willing to bet on being deeper Southern than either of you. (I was born in Caracas, Venezuela. I am a US Citizen by choice.) Just thought I’d lighten that thread of discourse a bit!
@lovinspoonful
The screen name for me to which you refer is “Drawer 22″ (reflecting my unit address from tours in Southeast Asia), not “Drawer 223″ (.223 being a caliber roughly similar to 5.56mm). Other than that gentlemanly correction without judgment, I am unable to hear you for all the denigrating commentary you sling so wildly. I believe myself to be rightly grateful for my “hearing loss” with regard to many of your mudslinging posts.
De Oppresso Liber
My mudslinging? Excuse me, you are the ones who started the mudslinging and when it is slung at me, I hand it back. What else would you expect when you start it yourself? How can you consider yourself a gentleman in any way when you back up the person who started the mudslinging and you sling mud then you blame someone else for starting it. Who do you think you are? If you are going to sling mud, then don’[t whine when it is handed bsck. veryone in here is tired of hte three of you whining about how badly I am treating you. YOu are getting back only what yhou are handing out.
One can only be a great leader by leading by example.
You instill a sense of honor upon your followers, an honor they feel obligated and honored to follow. Fore they know it takes courage, bravery, and skill and knowledge to do the unimaginable, the unthinkable. Do this honorably and capture the hearts of friends and foes alike.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@lovinspoonful
It’s the way people do, using ad hominem attacks when they can’t refute something you write but they vehemently disagree with it. They simply start calling others names and accusing them of other things, trying to divert the subject. This is because they have no further defenses to argue and debate with. That’s why it is isn’t nice to point out such simple mistakes as spelling unless it makes a difference in the meaning and understanding of the statement and topic. I don’t care how you spell anything as long as I can understand it correctly.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I hope you “gentlemen” have had a good time picking on a woman. And you consider yourselves representative of southern men? I think not. I live in the south also and the men I know are true gentlermen, unlike you three who pick on women. Is that your idea of a gentleman? vectorup, you ripped me up for no good reason interfering in a convderrsatin that did not involve you, michael you hv done the same, and drawer223 you are afs sdarcasticv as you can be and this isd your ideas of gentlemen? ROFLMAO! You are all three delusional and apparentlyh ondrugs yourselves. You are so quick to judge others but cannot stand to be judgedfyourselves. As it says in the bible, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” How do you like being judged and found lacking?
@lovinspoonful
You say you live in the South?
How do I say, SCALAWAG
btw, I believe in critically JUDGING everything around me, all the time.
The reference to NOT judging is in reference to one’s soul.
Also, judging another self-righteously can also be in reference to also being judged in return. The thing here is to know what to judge and when to judge. I was just trying to be fair in previous statements. It mattered not to the sex I addressed, but just to be fair. Now I see that fairness goes out the window when another has their own view of fairness which they cannot substantiate. But, bless your heart for your efforts!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
And just exactly what did all that mean? A whole lot of nothing. Bet you don’t even know what you said. and who are you to judge others? the onlly who has the right to judge is God., and that, you are not.
Listen ” LADY “, I haven’t been ” PICKING ” on Anyone. If ANYONE has been doing the PICKING, it has been YOU with all the SLANDER YOU have been Throwing around in here.
THIS IS LONG!
If you don’t think the military will fire on US citizens you need to read this survey given to military in the early 1990s.
US Armed Forces Survey from 1994: Firing on US Civilians
This is the questionnaire that was given in 1994 to select groups of U.S. armed forces personnel. Notice the references to the U.N., the firing on American civilians and the correlations of the two aforementioned.
Note questions 8-17 deal with the use of U.S. federal armed forces intervening in the civilian affairs of the U.S. public under the pretense of policemen. According to the U.S. Constitution (posse comitatus law) No federal forces are to be used in the civil control of the populace. Also note question 46 for a stunning question concerning the use of federal forces.
Note questions 18-45 deals entirely with the United Nations, which is really the heart of this survey. Questions 1-7 are only lead in questions for the rest of the survey.
I also gave the results in the article (paper file) “Incredible”. The following is all taken in order:
PLEASE READ QUESTION 46 IF YOU DO NOT READ ANYTHING ELSE!
Question 45 is of importance also.
Combat Arms Survey
This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regards to non-traditional missions. All of your responses are confidential. Write your answers directly on the questionnaire form. In part II, place an “X” in the space provided for your response.
Part I. Demographics
1: What service are you in?
2: What is your pay grade? (e.g. E-7, O-7)
3: What is your MOS code and description?
4: What is your highest level of education in years?
5: How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Sheild?
6: How many months did you serve in Somalia?
7: What state or country did you primarily reside in during childhood?
Part II. Attitudes
Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the United States for any of the following missions?
8: Drug enforcement?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
9: Disaster relief? (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
10: Security at national events? (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
11: Environmental disaster clean-up?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
12: Substitute teachers in public schools?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
13: Community assistance programs? (e.g. landscaping, environmental cleanup, road repair,
animal control)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
14: Federal and State prison guards?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
15: National emergency police force?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
16: Advisers to S.W.A.T. units, the F.B.I., or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
(B.A.T.F.)?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
17: Border patrol? (e.g. prevention of illegal aliens into U.S. territory)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
Do you fell that U.S. combat troops under U.S. command should be used in other countries for any of the following United Nations missions?
18: Drug enforcement?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
19: Disaster relief? (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
20: Environmental disaster clean-up?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
21: Peace keeping?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
22: Nation building? (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school systems, develop or
improve public transportation system..ect.)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
23: Humanitarian relief? (e.g. food, and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under the command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the United Nations for any of the following missions?
24: Drug enforcement?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
25: Disaster relief? (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
26: Environmental disaster clean-up?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
27: Peace keeping?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
28: Nation building? (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school systems, develop or improve public transportation system..ect.)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
29: Humanitarian relief? (e.g. food, and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
30: Police Action? (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, but serving under non-U.S. officers)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
Consider the following statements:
31: The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in
U.S. combat units during these exercises, under U.S. command and control?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
32: The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S./U.N.
command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
33: The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops should serve under
U.N. command and control during these exercises?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
34: U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions as long as the U.S. has full
command and control?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
35: U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under United Nations command and
control?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
36: U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and non-commissioned officers
(NCO’s) at battalion and company levels while performing U.N. missions?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
37: It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team? (e.g. fire
team, squad, platoon)
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
38: It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company commander?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
39: I feel the President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as
Commander-in-Chef to the U.N. Secretary General?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
40: I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
41: I feel my unit’s combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing humanitarian missions for the United Nations?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
42: I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the
command and control of the United Nations?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
43: I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. command?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
44: I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to give the U.N. all the soldiers
necessary to maintain world peace?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
45: I would swear to the following code:
“I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
46: The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement:
I would fire on U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S.
government?
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly agree Disagree Agree Strongly Agree No Opinion
End of questionnaire
Note questions 8-17 deal with the use of U.S. federal armed forces intervening in the civilian affairs of the U.S. public under the pretense of policemen. According to the U.S. Constitution (posse comitatus law) No federal forces are to be used in the civil control of the populace. Also note question 46 for a stunning question concerning the use of federal forces.
Note questions 18-45 deals entirely with the United Nations, which is really the heart of this survey. Questions 1-7 are only lead in questions for the rest of the survey.
Now ask yourself these questions:
1: Are we to turn over our armed forces to the U.N.?
2: Can we be the U.N’s world policeman?
3: Or the world’s policeman on our own?
4: Should we give oath of allegiance to a foreign power?
5: Should we compromise our U.S. Constitution in the name of world government?
6: Who is first, the United States or the rest of the world, specifically the United Nations?
7: Would you rather answer to a world court (United Nations court) or to the courts of the United States?
8: Do you believe you will have any say in a world government or world court (United Nations)?
9: Are you willing to sacrifice national sovereignty for world laws and courts?
10: Is the United Nations better able to dictate our lives to us than we as a country are?
11: DO YOU BELIEVE IN A NEW WORLD ORDER RUN BY THE UNITED NATIONS?
Think about it, that is what this survey was meant to convey, A NEW WORLD ORDER RUN BY THE UNITED NATIONS!
Here are the results of the survey:
SHOOT AMERICANS’ (NEW WORLD ORDER SURVEY OF LAST YEAR) SURVEY RESULTS ONE IN FOUR MARINES WOULD FIRE
Results are in from the U.S. military “shoot Americans” survey—and they are disquieting
By Mike Blair.
About one in four U.S. Marines would be willing to fire upon American citizens in a government gun confiscation program, according to the results of a survey undertaken nearly a year ago at a Marine Corps Base in Southern California.
In addition, more than four out of five of the Marines surveyed indicated they would be willing to “participate in missions under a U.S. National Emergency Police Force.”
The SPOTLIGHT has been provided the results of the survey contained in a master degree thesis, reportedly undertaken by a student at the Naval Postgraduate School at Monterrey California, to determine “unit cohesion” when soldiers are assigned to “non-traditional missions.”
Few stories published in the SPOTLIGHT have created such a stir when it was revealed in this newspaper’s July 25,1994 issue that the survey had been taken at the Marine base.
On May 10,1994, the survey was undertaken by Navy Lt. Cmdr. Ernest G. Cunningham, purportedly as research for his thesis:
“PEACEKEEPING AND UN OPERATIONAL CONTROL: A STUDY OF THEIR
EFFECT ON UNIT COHESION”, at the Marine base, located on the South-east corner of the Mojave Desert, about 70 miles due east of San Bernadino, California, just east of Los Angles
RECEIVED DEGREE
Cunningham turned in the thesis for printing on March 20 and was graduated from the post Graduate school on March 23, receiving his Master of Science in Manpower, Personnel and Training Analysis degree.
According to U.S. Navy and Marine Corps officials, Cunningham administered the survey to 300 Marine veterans of the Persian Gulf War and the earlier invasion of Panama in the base auditorium.
He had the cooperation and permission of the base’s public affairs officer, but Cunningham did not have consent of the base commander, Brig. Gen. Russell H. Sutton. In fact, Sutton did not know about the survey until afterwards.
The results of the survey have until now been “classified,” according to a Marine Corps spokesman.
The survey contained 46 questions dealing with the Marines’ willingness to perform “non-traditional” missions.
Question 46, dealing with a gun confiscation scenario, jolted both the Marines and Navy, as well as The Department of Defense, numerous members of the House and Senate and virtually every American concerned with the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees the people’s right to “keep and bear arms.”
VERY DISTURBING
This is how tthe question was posed to the Marines:
“The U.S. Government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30)day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities.At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. “Consider the following statement:’I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government’.”
The question was then posed as to what degree the individual Marine agreed with the statement.
According to results given in Cunningham’s thesis, a total of 88 percent, or 264 Marines, responded to the question.
Of the 264 who responded, 26.34 percent, or 79 Marines indicated they would be willing to fire upon U.S. citizens.”
Of that total, 18.67 percent or 56 Marines, indicated they “agree” with the statement, and 7.67 percent or 23 Marines, indicated that “strongly agree.”
A total of 61.66 percent, or 185, indicated that they were opposed to firing on citizens.
Of that total, 42.33 percent, or 127,indicated they “strongly disagree” and 19.33 percent or 58, indicated they “disagree.”
In is thesis, Cunningham noted: “This particular question, unlike the others, elicited from 15.97 percent of the respondents with an opinion, either heavier pen or pencil marks on the response or written comments in the margin space. The responses to this scenario suggest that a complete unit breakdown could occur in a unit tasked to execute this mission.”
In other words,if a commander asked the men of his unit to raise their hands in a simple poll, he could determine the position of such servicemen and those who responded in the affirmative could be tasked for such a mission.
This is just one of the reasons the question, not to mention the fact that it was allowed to be asked, is obviously potentially dangerous. In fact,several months before the survey was taken at Twenty-Nine Palms, the SPOTLIGHT, MODERN GUN and other publications revealed the question posed by Cunningham in his survey had ben asked of members of a U.S. Seal (Sea-Air-land) team.
In addition, despite Navy and Marine Corps denials, there have been dozens of reports, unconfirmed, that the survey has been given to other servicemen, as well as various law enforcement agents.
FURTHER SURVEYS?
In fact, Cunningham notes: “If the results of this survey elicit concerns in the areas queried, then further studies are warranted. Perhaps a random sample survey should be conducted to determine whether the results of this survey is valid for the entire Marine Corps and/or Army. Also, a survey could provide an indication of the volunteer pool that would seek service in units dedicated to, and specialized in, peacekeeping operations….
Also of concern is the fact, as reported by Cunningham in his thesis that 97.67 percent of the Marines responded to a question–an overwhelming 85.33 percent in the affirmative–that they would be willing to participate in missions under a U.S. National Emergency Police Force….” “Furthermore,” Cunningham notes “43.0 percent of the soldiers
strongly agreed…..
“Federal Troops have been restricted from participation with local police authorities to quell domestic violence since the passage of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. That being the case, it was surprising that these soldiers seemed not to know the legal restrictions placed on them by this act.”
He also noted, however, that “In May 1992, 4,000 U.S. Army and Marine Soldiers were ordered by President George Bush to augment city and county law enforcement and state National Guard during the riot in Los Angeles, California following the Rodney King trial.
“Since, 1981,” Cunningham states, “the majority of today’s All Volunteer Force has been exposed to and participated in an environment of expanding non-traditional missions when Congress passed the Military Cooperation with Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies Act of 1981. This act enabled the Military to participate in the drug war. This cooperative alliance of military and civilian police efforts in the name of national security may have eroded the demarcation between civilian law enforcement and our military institution first established by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.”
The results of another question, No. 45, posed by the survey,indicates American soldiers are not eager to swear allegiance to the United Nations, although nearly one in four would do so.
Question 45 states:
“I would swear to the following code:’I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense’.”
A total of 69.33 percent, or 208 Marines surveyed, indicated they disagreed, with 117, or 39 percent,indicating they strongly disagreed.
On the other hand, 71 Marines,or 23.66 percent, indicated they would be willing to swear such allegiance to the UN, with 19, or 6.33 percent,indicating they were strongly in favor of doing so.
“For thousands of years.” Cunningham notes in his thesis, “military organizations have required their soldiers to swear to some kind of code or allegiance. A code provides a standard for the soldiers to live up to and, in many cases, to die for. A code can be a powerful tool for establishing and sustaining unit cohesion. But what if the mission a solider is assigned to perform counters or confuses the code he has sworn to uphold? Question 45 was presented to determine if the soldiers would swear to such a code.”
No one knows if the American personnel traveling in the helicopter shot down over Iraq [by "friendly fire"] in April 1994 would have sworn allegiance to such a code. Yet, Vice President Albert Gore stated that these Americans “died in the service of The United Nations.”
“It is patently clear,” a retired high ranking Army Officer told The SPOTLIGHT,”that this survey raises some very serious issues, not the least of which is that U.S.servicemen are not being properly educated as to the limits of their service in the civilian sector. This is most dangerous, and, I should think the Congress has an obligation to the people to take a careful look at this, not to mention the people at the Pentagon.”
MILITARY LIARS EXPOSED…AGAIN! Followup Report
We recently received a copy of Department of Defense, DD Form 3020, Revision of 2/96 (All previous editions obsolete), from a patriotic active duty soldier. In essence, it is the same Combat Arms Survey we originally saw several months ago. At that time it was reported and verified that several units at the Marine base in Twenty-Nine Palms, California, had been given a survey designed to measure their willingness to support the goals of the NWO UN army. Among them, perhaps the most notorious question was:
46. “The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale,transportation and transfer of all non-approved firearms. A 30 day amnesty period is established for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of irregular citizen groups and defiant individuals refuse to turn over their firearms to authority.
Consider the following statement:
“I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government.”
Strongly Disagree, Disagree, Agree, Strongly Agree, No Opinion
In the ensuing months considerable effort was made to explain to the American public that the survey simply reflected a masters thesis project on UN army attitudes by U.S. soldiers. This effort was reinforced by an “investigation” and inquiry by “Soldier of Fortune” magazine and appearances of the survey author on radio. The effort appeared benign and the study was declared innocuous by many and a false alarm to the patriot community.
This latest document confirms the ongoing efforts of the military to categorize and stigmatize soldiers with constitutional principles. The broad scope of its application is confirmed by the official full title, “Joint Services Training, Combat Arms Survey.” It helps confirm the lie regarding the official intentions of the military with regard to their use against civilians for NWO goals. ie defense’.”
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Sobering. Time to purchase yet more ammo and varied weaponry.
De Oppresso Liber
Thank You Sir for your Tireless Work to show the Government Survey. I commend you for your Service.
I see, vectorup, you candish it out but you can’t take it. You are ther one who started throweing ther hateful, nasty words at me. And yu call yourself a gentleman? Yoy don’t know the meaning of the wordf. If you three are going to hand it, then be man enough to take it when it i handed bascvk. ehat do you expect when you attawcvk other people – they are going to respond. If you don’[t like it, stop your attacks.
“You did not tell the whole story.”
That post won’t work as an excuse…
Ya’ll figure out why, as there several reasons.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Well for one, when Bill Clinton caused the Posse Comitatus act to be Set aside so he could Invade the Branch Davidian’s, that would be one I can think of right off.
We the White American Citizens, Tea Party or not are the enemy of the Obama Administration and the Communist demo-rats and Rhino Republicans run by John McCain the traitor to the American people along with his “reach across the asile” to screw the people. But it is OK that the Muslim have traing camps set up all over the United States, training in Urban warfare and the Obama Government is supplying them with the best arms, the same weapons that our troops have and they are trained by our Army to attack the American people when Obama gives the word after Clinton, Obama, McCain, Feinstien, and many more Senators have destroyed the 2nd Amendment. But they, the Muslims are not the enemy, we, the white American citizens along with the young men and women coming back from a no win usless war run by the UN with the help of Clinton and Obama, we are the enmey. The Muslims are not. The people who will vote for Obama are Commuinist minded, or just plan ignorant, most come from the upper East Cost
That reminds me of a Great Frank Sanatra/ Angela Landsbery film called “The Manchurian Candidate” Wow, it looks so much like what McCain and the rest of them are and were doing.
wow, all i can say is seig heil…. canl;t wait for the revolution
@donblassvivar – “Sieg” (meaning “victory”) would be the correct spelling (inclusive of capitalization). I deduce that your education in Deutsch is elementary, at best; at worst it is more likely from a “Hollywood-educated” framework of faux-education.
De Oppresso Liber
i think u miss the point of my post,. i do not support nazis or their modern equivalent, the tea party; i despise petty dictators and those who would deny freedoms in the name of their christian god or conservative pov.
i was making a comment about the previous post by douglasdauntless, who espouses the white american citizen cause… he is a true nazis..
and my education is fine. my latin is rusty but salus populi suprema est lex
Please, do not equate the Tea Party with the Nazi’s… they are nothing of the sort. As I have stated before, it is obvious that you are unaware of what the Tea Party is actually about, what they stand for, and who they are comprised of. Not sure where you go to for your information, but it is clearly unreliable as it is totally incorrect… so, I certainly wouldn’t be telling others what news to watch or not watch. I won’t waste any time here attempting to educate you as to what the Tea Party is actually about, as I doubt there is the space to do so, but you are totally misguided in your understanding according to the many slams you’ve attempted to make, when according to what you’ve indicated about your love for America and desire to defend it, you should by all accounts actually be defending those who belong to the Tea Party and have made the effort to get off the couch and defend the Constitution, speak out against those who would like us to become a Marxist/Socialist/Communist nation, and desire to see America restored to her former place as a world leader and example of prosperity, achievement, and success to the rest of the world.
i know exactly what the tea party is all about — limited govt.; states rights.; christian nation — in other words, the creation of a decentralized federal government that allows the states to enact their own money policies and legislation without federal oversight.. and to this i say NO!!!!!!!!!!! States rights is another name for usurping equality and freedom against those to whom u hate — i.e,. minorities, non-christians… if u had your way, there would be laws preventing abortions to women for anything, including legitimate rape. and there would be no civil rights acts, as that affects commerce, etc.
no thank you,., take your tea party and go live in iran, where your pov would acceptable to a narrow-minded theological-oriented elist group
Concerning the TEA Party, conservatives and NAZIs.
It would be a good idea to look up these terms:
NEOCONSERVATIVE
and PALEOCONSERVATIVE
Actually a neoconservative is a type of NAZI, though not exactly in the sense that we think of Hitler’s NAZIs.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I researched the term “neoconservative” and nothing indicates they are nazis. Don’t know where you got that idea.
@Lovinspoonful
Well thank you for at least reading my suggestions.
At least it shows an ability to be objective, and that means a lot.
“I researched the term “neoconservative” and nothing indicates they are nazis. Don’t know where you got that idea.”
It’s not that they are the exact same thing. However they are related and the only way to understand and see this relation is to have a good understanding of exactly what each means.
NAZIsm is form of fascism. Mainly NAZIism interjects racial supremacy. However the economic and political structures itself are much the same. If you remove the racial supremacy aspects of NAZIsm you have fascism. Now read what fascism is all about and the connection can be made to neo-conservatives. Neo-conservatism is fascism minus paleoconservatism, of which fascism is NAZIsm minus the racial supremacy aspect. For all intents and purposes neo-conservatives are indeed NAZIs, but without the racial aspects and the Paleoconservative aspects which can be read in the first sentence of its’ explanation on Wikipedia. (In short paleoconservative is anti about everything which involves inflating any government. It’s simple traditional values stressed with God and family first, community next, followed by state and finally government, specifically national government.)
So there is a large difference between being a neoconservative and paleoconservative. And there is quiet a bit of difference between being a TEA Party member and a paleoconservative. But a neoconservative is much more closely related to being a NAZI than a paleoconservative.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@Lovinspoonful – welcome to the convoluted logic and nasty demeanor of Mike360000
He pulled this same stint on another group I belong to a while back, and finally left when he had finally upset everyone so much he was threatened with being banned. Not sure this board is moderated very well from the way all the name calling and nonsense has been allowed to go on, but be prepared for more BS, as this guy doesn’t quit with the nonsense about Jews and Nazi’s and will go on for days if he’s allowed to.
Thank you for the tip and thanks againf or coming to my aid. He and vectorup seem to be made of hte same cloth. apparently, they stay on here 24 hour a day. Mike360000 finally confessed he is a male chauvinist. He does not believe women should be interested in politics and he believes he has the right to judge any and all. What an ego. Drawer 22 seems to be in their league also. And they refer to themselves as southern gentlemen. I live in the south nd nomen I know act as these 3 do. Anyhow, they do make it interesting – as well as aggravating.
Believe what you will. I’ve already commented to Our_Fraud-in-Cheif.
Hate to bust your bubbles but it wan’t me. I never ran out of any thread. I never caused any trouble that threatened me with any ban. All anyone need do is read any of my previous by clicking on my name in the thread. If you read my posts you may actually my ancestry and more about me. And you may even learn a little more history.
I understand and accept the fact that not everyone agrees with everyone all the time, and that includes myself. I don’t expect liberals, atheists, Marxists, Jews and neoconservatives to hardly ever agree with me, nor me them. Accordingly I can see people here, such you above, that are opposed to most anything I write, too which some of you would be so offended you have no problem attacking anything about me which you possibly can. Falsely accusing me of anything is of no concern, such people being offended to the point they will do whatever necessary to divert the subject.
So we have the women singled out,; I wonder which of my other detractors have Jewish/Khazar connections?
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@ Fraud man
I say show me.
Prove you’re not the fraud.
But then again, I have you so disturbed and angry, you’d do anything to shut me up…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@donblassvivar Your “in other words” are your words, and they’re wrong. Again, indicating you have a distorted understanding of what the Tea Party is all about. Ron Paul is the one who is for a decentralized money supply, as in “End the Fed”, something he has fought for for years. That is NOT what the Tea Party stands for. Although they are for returning control of the country’s money supply back to Congress, just as our Founding Fathers provided for in the Constitution.
Article 1, Section 8 –
“Congress shall have the power to coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures”
The Tea Party has no such desire for the states to enact their own money policies and legislation without federal oversight.. That is absolutely incorrect, and I challenge you to point to any Tea Party video or website that says any such thing.
As far as States Rights goes (the 10th amendment of the Bill of Rights), state sovereignty is a Constitutional principle and in theory is actually the Law as it stands today.
The 10th amendment to the US Constitution explicitly states –
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”.
That is current Law, and has nothing to do with, what did you say, denying abortion to women for “legitimate rape”? Rape is rape, my friend, and is never “legitimate”.
The Federal Government has specific functions, and beyond this it has no legitimate authority. While you obviously do not understand the state the country was in when the first document the Founding Fathers put in place in an attempt to establish our government, “The Articles of Confederation”, and the problems that were identified with having too little government; you also do not seem to understand how they sought to preserve the rights of the individual states, and sought to do so through the establishment of the 10th amendment, which was agreed to before the Constitution was agreed to be ratified.
Your rage and upset over this is obvious, but it is the Law. The Tea Party doesn’t seek to change anything other than the Federal Government usurping power that it does not rightfully have, as seen with it’s attempt to sue the state of Arizona for trying to enforce what is already Federal Law.
the argument about who has precedence — the states or the federal govr — was settled years ago with the Supremacy Clause case of McCulloch v. Maryland (1819); it was further strengthened with Brown v Board of Education and cemented with the Civil Rights Act. To allow a return to “states rights” would nullify these laws, and would also affect Roe V Wade. If state were left to regulate abortion, there would be no abortion, plain and simple, because this “right” is not recognized explicitly by strict constitutionalist… Roe V. Wade is the underpinning for arguments that judges are activists and have betrayed the original intent of the constitution. The tea party supports states rights and there is amble evidence of tea party activists wishing a return to the gold standard or the ability to coin their own money. in fact, some states have already done that.
the powers of the federal govt have grown has society has grown, to weaken it would weaken the country and result in a mix of laws that would result in chaos and eventually would force the dissolution of the union.
thank you.
Youmust be aq socialist like AObama isd. You believe in big government – we don’t needfbig government. Our money was based on ther gold standard for year and we did just fine and no one coined their own money. If they did, they were arrested for counterfeiting.
@donblassvivar
“– the states or the federal govr — was settled years ago with the Supremacy Clause case of McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)”
Didn’t settle anything except it defined the word “regulate” in relation to the Federal Reserve and the Commerce Clause. The US Constitution was still strictly written and was interpreted as such at that time. However the word “regulate” itself was a basis of contention. Just what did it entail? How much authority did it give the Federal Government? The Supreme Court rightfully that in such instances with the phrase being open ended, with no restrictions being placed on delegated authority, the Federal Government could do pretty much as it pleased in regulating money, which included the banks. This had no bearing on other portions of the US Constitution, and specifically nothing to do with the 9th and 10th Amendments.
“..it was further strengthened with Brown v Board of Education and cemented with the Civil Rights Act.”
This whole decision is null and void due to the fact that the Republic no longer existed after 1865, therefore the Rule of Law and Due process wasn’t correctly followed either. This is compounded by the problem that puppet governments were set up in the South, in the old CSA states which deferred their votes according to the new standards set forth after Lincoln’s conquest and destruction of the CSA. (Yes I am saying what it sounds like. The Southern States composing the CSA has NO legitimate in power. Their original and last government under Jefferson Davis never surrendered, nor were the CSA states treated as former or current states as was before Lincoln’s War. The Territory was strictly seized, property destroyed, men, women and children murdered and the wealth of the South moved North.
“..To allow a return to “states rights” would nullify these laws…”
IT SUPPOSED TOO, as they are NOT Constitutionally legal to begin with!
“…and would also affect Roe V Wade. If state were left to regulate abortion, there would be no abortion, plain and simple…”
It’s simply a state’s right matter, plain and simple. Surely some liberal Northern state would allow abortion? It is something the US Constitution does not allow the Federal Government to control. If any state wants to allow it, that is their business and I won’t interfere with that.
“..because this “right” is not recognized explicitly by strict constitutionalist… Roe V. Wade is the underpinning for arguments that judges are activists and have betrayed the original intent of the constitution…”
If it’s not strictly stated in the US Constitution, it is not allowed to the Federal Government. But again for the exception one needs to reference the first paragraph above and note the Commerce Claus and the reference to money and banks being regulated.
“..The tea party supports states rights and there is amble evidence of tea party activists wishing a return to the gold standard or the ability to coin their own money. in fact, some states have already done that. the powers of the federal govt have grown has society has grown, to weaken it would weaken the country and result in a mix of laws that would result in chaos and eventually would force the dissolution of the union. thank you.”
The government hasn’t ruled that states can’t have their own money. Originally stated the government can ONLY regulate what is out there, whether it is domestic or foreign, and they can have their own bank. A question becomes of this; Can the government abrogate its’ authority an assign or let a 3rd party do it?
The whole point of Federal authority is to nationalize a nation under one set of laws and guidelines. This was never the intent of the US Constitution. Actually it was the opposite, letting each state have its’ own independence and authority, each state deriving its’ laws from the consent of the governed as each stated deemed fit. This actually left the various people, their cultures and heritage the necessary freedoms to express their agency without IMPOSING their will onto people on the other side of the country. Southerners can be Southerners, Indians can be Indians and Northerners can be Northerners, which is contrary to what the Imperialist Empire of the USA now wants. You see the division and tension among your people every day now. You see the friction from the Muslims and the Illegal immigrants, and the liberals who always wants more and more. You see abortion pushed onto society in places where people find it reprehensible. You see abortion pills and contraceptives being pushed in public schools as well as the gay agenda. It’s not that I am either for or against these things, but rather it is up tot he people, for them to decide it for themselves, and without the Federal Government constantly restricting and revoking the rights in order that others may be given “civil rights” in their stead.
Which brings me to the point that “Inalienable Rights” SUPERSEDES civil rights. Inalienable Rights comes from the, “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”, or Natural Law. They are “Universal Rights”. Civil Rights can ONLY come from tyrannical governments, governments that OWN the rights of man, dictating to man what his rights are! These are the rights you see substituted for Inalienable Rights and the government is doing this in order to usurp what little Inalienable Rights the people have left. One is from God, the other from the devil.
The end result of this “Hegemony” where as the Federal Government rules by threat of power and implied powers. They rule by a form of “Cultural Hegemony” where the goal of the Federal Government is a country that has no identity, no sub cultures or heritage except for the official government lines. Everyone is forced by this threat of implied power to be like their neighbor and accept whatever the government tells them they must accept for their own good. As you see today this isn’t working out quiet so well. Things are actually devolving instead of improving among people. Look at the division and malice among several groups of people, the blacks, Hispanics, Illegals, Muslims, liberals and conservatives. People are even talking about rioting and killing the next president whomever he might be. Twitter is full of such talk right now. Look at the unions and what they doing. And you have the pro and anti-abortion crowds at each other, ready to fight tot he death. And on top of all this you have Federal Government that can’t keep out of other countries affairs. They pretend to be police and bribe other governments all in efforts to force their Imperial will upon others. And they use your money to do this, while pretending we have a weak military and are subject to invasion, all in order to fund even greater military operations! And ALL these foreign people HATE Americans and I can understand why that hate Americans. This is the country YOU created and want with a powerful Federal Government!
btw– For many of you who wonder, just who I am? Look at my past posts, from early on when I signed and you will learn more. I am one of the last of the line, which I’m sure many of you will be happy to know that.
Michael–Deo Vindicabamur
Again Mike360000, All I can do is say Thank You Sir, for your Tireless journalism and Historical knowledge.
@Vectorup
“Again Mike360000, All I can do is say Thank You Sir, for your Tireless journalism and Historical knowledge.”
Well all I can say is thank you for the compliments. I wish I could do more but at this time my hands are tied. But I will add this.
Where I tread in my endeavors few people follow. I’ve debated many a professor and have yet to fail against any of them. A few I’ve come out even against but most of them I’ve usually cornered an scored my wins. It’s as much knowing in how to address your opponents as in the knowledge you know. In other words debating a polemics (a form of debating) is an art form that can only be learned through much effort. Each person or group of people must be treated and addressed according to what they know and what they are willing to comprehend and maybe accept. I do just enough here to make or get my points across to the readers. Sometimes I’ve been known to be caustic and belligerent even aggressive and arrogant, depending on the person and post I am responding to. I do not run away from my posts, although if I do not answer all of them it is not because I can’t, but because of other things. There are a couple of posts here I have yet to answer, one being from you, but I haven’t had time to answer them simply because I am doing so many other things. And I have my own work to do. I address each post mainly according to its’ own merits and not so much by the person who wrote it. So you may see roughing it out concerning some posts, such as some with lovingspoonful, and the next to them I will answer in nice positive way. I answer each post in kind. Hopefully this way I cannot be accused of simply singling out one person appearing to always bully them. I also try and answer the hardest of posts, most complicated of posts regardless to who they are addressed too in order the toughest, most difficult questions be addressed in order to simplify any other questions, which should then be much easier for the individual to discern and judge the merits of.
I specifically have one post here concerning the Jews that was addressed to me that I will answer shortly, hopefully tonight. But there are still many things that need addressing. I think one can see from my posts that many people here who claim to be so conservative are not really so conservative afterall, but rather their ideology is only a degree of socialism in which they feel most comfortable. Don’t hesitate to ask any questions as the only dumb question is the one not asked. (unless one is trying to act foolish)
As I stated in my previous post, someone had asked me what my credentials and education was in a private email. I responded above saying to look and read my previous posts from when I first signed on here. Your answers are there, but in the process you will need to read some history and hopefully learn a few more things while looking for my information. Sadly the country is so ignorant in its’ understanding and knowledge of history I am at a loss on how such ignorance can be rightfully educated, except by a lot of independent reading through self study. Even so called professors of history are guilty of this.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I don’t think that would be a good idea to use that phrase. That represents the era of Hitler and the gestapo and the Nazi regime. If you use that phrase, people might think you belong to the Neo-Nazi gtroup and do you harm. this is America, not Nazi Germany.
My Opinion of How and Who Controls the People! (Part 1)
http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/my-opinion-of-how-and-who-controls-the-people-part-1?xg_source=activity
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Jake
@Drawer22
One is a verb, the other a noun. From that standpoint there is a difference I suppose. Both still confer a meaning of advice, consultation and authority. However, odd as the English language is, there are many words that are spelled the same that are used as both nouns and verbs. In our case, both words originate from the same Middle English word, conseil. It’s kind’of hard to single out words as an exception and expect everyone to know which are exceptions and which are not. Which is a reason I try and not be nit-picky over the way people spell and use grammar. So I ask; What if we had just used the word “conseil” from the beginning? According to modern English I am wrong, but only technically. I still use counsel as both a noun and verb. It’s simply not worth debating as the point is made either using either word…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@Mike360000
1. “Council” is solely a noun.
2. “Counsel” may be used as either a verb or a noun, depending on context. You would be quite correct in using “counsel” as both a noun OR a verb, dependent on the context within which it is used. Examples: Noun – “That individual is counsel for the defense, being the Public Defender for this jurisdiction.” Verb – “I will counsel you to act wisely.”
3. “Town Council” is the correct characterization; “Town Conseil” is not the manner in which any town council in the United states of America is either designated or refers to itself, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
4. Neither “counsel” or “council” are exceptions to anything. They are separate and distinct words with separate and distinct spellings and have separate and distinct definitions.
5. I concede as obvious your statement that “…there are many words that are spelled the same that are used as both nouns and verbs.” That is not relevant to the “town council” or, improperly, “town counsel” discussion here, unless the “Town Counsel” to which referred is the attorney for the subject town.
6. I do not “…expect everyone to know which are exceptions and which are not.” Far from it, nor was I the originator of “nit-picky” [sic] blogging in the subject at hand. Were those your allegations, they are misleading, at best; spurious would be more accurate.
7. “Which is a reason I try and not be nit-picky over the way people spell and use grammar,” is not a grammatically correct, complete sentence. However, I will not pick nits.
8. I agree that the amount of time spent debating this sub-topic is far in excess of the value derived in doing so. I shall, however, cite one exception: Thank you for adding “conseil” to my education and vocabulary.
De Oppresso Liber
The time spent in debating this sub-topic was more than in excess of the value derived in donig so. there weas no value. It was like beating a dead horse. Mike couldn’t let go of it.
I just read where you assume I tried to START SOMETHING with you. Sir I have done nothing but Respect you. How can you say such about me? See Quote below.
“Drawer22, I have already explained that my comment showed up in error under your comment and i apologize to you for that. It was intened for someone else’s comment but, apparently, you did not understand that. Why you waited days to comment on it I have no idea as there has been no conversation between us. As far as vectorup is concerned, he hs ben reported for his accusations tht I was adruggie and a leftit communist. Neiither one of you know anything about me, or my family, nor have you interviewed me. So, you are out of line in assuming what kind of person I am and doing the very thing you accused me of.”
” Hopefully, vectorup will not try to start anything again as he did with me.”
My Reply was to Drawer22 and NO ONE ELSE
I have no idea where these people keep getting such statements they ASSUME I said. I have Never called anyone such names as they Supposed I did.
Drawer22, If I have made this reply in Error, please forgive. It looks like the Provacator has struck again, and I misunderstood what was being said and by whom.
Drawer22, that was my response to you, not vectorup’s response. It seems that responses come off out of place on here at times.
@Our_Fraud-in-Chief
“I’m not sure what you’re referring to as far as trying to “box you in”, or any other number of accusations you’ve made regarding my intent here, as I’ve done no such thing. I also did not accuse […]”
I was just anticipating an obvious question or statement that could directed back at me. I made the statement in efforts to let you or the reader know I was already thinking ahead as to what to expect as a counter to my statements. It’s not that I’m specifically accusing you of anything negative as much as I’m trying to let you know that there is far more involvement in my writings and the conversation that what is being addressed.
No, I don’t ever recall ever having posted to you before this thread, and specifically concerning this topic.
You claim my info still comes from the original source, per your claims. Well its’ kind’of hard correlating Matthew 21:19–end and Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 to your list. And there are other New Testament verses as well. So NO, I don’t need or accept the excuse you give for my posts and reasoning. Actually my references can be just as easy as Googling the word “Khazar” and reading it at Wikipedia and other mainstream resources. But of course you’re gonna deny this also and claim it comes from the basis of the Elders of Zion?
At the same time you NOT rebutted, much less disproven the very first thing I’ve stated relating to the Khazars, their bloodline, genetic, religion and faith, and the Israelites. NOT ONE THING have you addressed. Yet you summarily dismiss everything I wrote on substantiated claims of association. This is nothing short of a typical “Strawman attack”, where by one creates or fabricates a fictitious issue in order to obscure the presented facts. I suggest that you attack the facts of my writings and not the messenger from where it comes. I don’t know much of the Elders of Zion and I don’t really care who or what they are. However if I read something by them, I will judge the content rather than the people first.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
You write in anticipation of what people are going to say…? Hmmmmm… interesting… a mindreader you are. Yet you can’t understand what was actually said. Nice. You are most certainly the same individual who I’ve spoken with previously, as you are saying the same exact things which you said in our previous discussions, nearly word for word.
There has been no such “strawman attack”, as what has been written has been direct responses to your assertions, nothing more, nothing less. Telling people to google “Khazar” does not diminish the information provided regarding the fallacy of the “false Jew”, and just as you didn’t want to know about “the Elders of Zion” before, it does not mean the material you have been reading was not based upon that story and had the obvious influence which they have had on you to lead you to believe the nonsense about some Jewish conspiracy. Trust me, it was not for your benefit that I once again provided you with the link to that information http://tinyurl.com/9bjed , it was so others could have the benefit of it and not be taken in by your distorted view of the world and insistence on promoting a story which has be proven to be false time and again
To see how a country is prepared for takeover, Google,”The Frankurt School”,a little scheme dreamt up by Joe Stalin,in the early part of the nineteen hundreds,and paid for by our rulers the global elite,who paid for the Russian Revolution, and just about every war before and since, contains little gems such as,how to destroy the family unit,how to bring about laws and rules that are contradictory, the efficient use of immigration as a destroyer of a nations morale,how to remove any choice in political parties, the best methods of destroying a countries morals, interfering with the nourishment content in food.the destruction of the countries economy,and many other marvels.If this sounds familiar,it should, the Western World has been playing the game since at least the beginning of the last century.
Here is an excellent article from a Southern POV that covers the same things we’ve been covering in this thread the last few days. (More specifically I’ve been covering, which some of you agree with.) This article, much to my surprise was released today. Some of you will agree and some will not, and I understand that. It is STRICTLY from a Southern POV I must remind you.
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2012/10/18/american-universalism-progress/
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
nic, in one thread we get two interesting POVs: jews paid for all wars and blacks love being slaves. lol
here is an “article” from Southern National News,” AKA A front for the KKK: The University of Mississippi appears to have no limits to the lengths to which it will go in throwing away its heritage and debasing itself. In 1997 the university banned Confederate flags at its football games (previously there had been a sea of flag-waving Southerners at its stadium). In 2003 the university got rid of Colonel Reb, its famous mascot. More recently, the university banned the playing of ‘Dixie’ at games, objecting to the chant ‘The South will rise again!’ that fans added at the end. The anti-Southern agenda on the part of the administration at Ole Miss is readily apparent.
Now we have an example of further debasement which smacks of an openly racial, anti-White agenda. The university has selected a grossly overweight and unattractive Black woman as its homecoming queen. Her name is Courtney Pearson and she brags, ’Ole Miss, get ready. We just changed the face.’ She won by 90 votes over a a fit and attractive blond girl named Ashleigh Davis. The university even had a White man drive her around in the back of a convertible at its homecoming parade, sending another clear racial signal. The Daily Mail article which covers the story is predictably a sob story about the racial integration of the university fifty years ago and all the ‘progress’ that has been demonstrated by selecting Pearson as homecoming queen:
these are the true stories of the tea party.. racist, anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti,,, anti anti.
I’m Not trying to be Racist here, but What is Fair for other Races should be Fair for the WHITE Race as well. If Blacks can have Black Univercities and Publically funded Black Schools, Not to mention the NAACP, it should be Fair for White Americans to have their NAAWP, and Publically funded WHITE Schools and Univercities as well. KKK is Not in my book, simply because they for the most part are American Nazi’s, in my Opinion.
@Vectorup,
Unfortunately all those things you mention about one people having special treatment is nothing more than civil rights at work. The government/political excuse is, it helps balance out past wrongs while giving the “oppressed” a break while forcing other people to relinquish their Inalienable Rights in order to satisfy the judgement for “special” treatment. In other words what you wrote is a prime example of a tyrannical government and how they’ve propagandized people and tricked people into surrendering their Inalienable Rights. Of course the replacement by civil rights is made to look so good while making others who disagrees, that it instills a guilt complex on society which forces the issue of civil rights to include even more areas and more people. All the while our Inalienable Rights are slowly being whittled away.
Like I said, ONLY a TYRANNICAL and Imperialistic government can do such things. ONLY such a government can offer and force civil rights onto people and ONLY such a government can take away your Inalienable Rights. However at some point you will still possess the Inalienable Right to cast off such tyrannical governments and construct yourselves a new one. That is if you can the battle. I’m afraid it won’t work though. We had a much better chance in 1861 and you see where it got us! Today the conditions are far far worse for us than then. We don’t stand a rabbit’s chance!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
totally wrong.. u did have your white groups and your white schools — at the expense of terror and Subjugation of blacks… lynchings, forces segregation ., denial of voting rights, murder — this is the southern legacy you cling to and wish to Resurrect by championing states rights and the limiting of federal authority . also, when anyone says “i am not a racist,” they generally are.
Your the one that is WROMG. I do not HATE other races, I Merely want EQUIL RIGHTS, the same as they currently Enjoy
those rights already exist,. what u want is toe have better than equal rights and a return to the golden days of the south, when a black man had to tip his hat to a white feller or move off the sidewalk to let the superior white man pass. u do not see blacks as equal only as privilieged because of their status. u forget the horror u inflicted on them with jim crow laws and white civilian councils and that is takes years to overcome that, especially since u denied them adequate education. u complain about how they are dependent without ackowledging that u yourself put them there through ur failed policies of the past. southern heritage is nothing more than a myth built on the back of slaves.
Don, WHERE Do U Get off, saying that I did something. U need to remove your head from your Anal Oriface. I WAS NOT THERE, NORE WAS I doing ANY of the things U Say I was doing.
Mike, thats it. I’m DONE with this guy.
@Vectorup,
–lol– man I know it can get frustrating. Liberals want you frustrated. It then gives them an advantage knowing you can’t answer in a straight forward manner. He’s only baiting you by aggravating you. You know he doesn’t and can’t make a logical statement drawn out to its’ conclusion. So he has the ability in place of this to make and infer practically anything he so desires. For example I had one liberal Marxist tell me, concerning the war, that Lincoln attacked the South in order to help those poor people. That they couldn’t manage themselves, much less slaves and government! And that is the off the wall thinking we have to deal with. Just anything that they can irrationally think of. They’ve heard the slavery issue from the Marxist side for so long they’ve become oblivious to the fact that anything else exists as problems concerning that time. But all you can do is be PATIENT, very patient and explain things best you can. You’re not gonna change your opponents mind at all, but you surely can affect those reading the exchange between you, your audience. And that is who you are appealing too! That is also why the liberals will try and change the subject and start the name calling and race baiting every time the line of questioning becomes too difficult for them. Don has already went way past his ability to properly address my assertions and has reverted to ad hominem attacks many posts back. It’s simply their last line of defense and if you can get past the name calling and continue to address only the actually problems, your opponent will soon lose the rest of his will to attack you. It will be he who becomes frustrated because he couldn’t frustrate you. Eventually he will simply say he has had enough or say he can’t reason with you for whatever silly reason, so he’ll claim he’ll not respond any longer. Just don’t ever expect him to admit he’s wrong. It’s possible, but be suspect even if that is so.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I will Try my Best to follow your example, but your a lot better at this game then I. So please help me out when you see me getting to that point. It took me many years to get to the place I am in these matters, but now it seems to be getting easier to Learn from these things. So be patient, I’m Learning, maybe a little slowley, but learning non the less.
And Thanks again.
@don,
“tipping your hat…”
It’s called RESPECT, and everyone should be so gracious regardless to who they are.
This is something liberals do not understand nor accept, civility.
Michael–Deo Vindicabamur
@don,
“totally wrong.. u did have your white groups and your white schools — at the expense of terror and Subjugation of blacks… lynchings, forces segregation ., denial of voting rights, murder — this is the southern legacy you cling to and wish to Resurrect by championing states rights and the limiting of federal authority . also, when anyone says “i am not a racist,” they generally are.”
Another good’un! –lol–
Let’s see we have the Black Panthers of old and the New Black Panthers. We have the NAACP. We have Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. At best the biggest differences between these groups and the white groups you mention is the numbers. All are equally radical and dangerous.(If you doubt the NAACP being radical and militant, go to their homepage and read their forum threads as well as their articles.) The point being made is simple. So simple you deny it. The point is, if it is legal for race or group of people to enjoy some government approved benefits over other people, then other races and groups, including white should be able to have the same opportunities. Anything else is unfair and only breeds more bias among people as well as causing tension.
As for the word “racist”. Sorry I didn’t say that or use that phrase. Everyone can be considered a racist in some way according to today’s definition of it, even you don.
But there is more! What is a racist don? Where does the word come from? Who first used it and for what reasons?
The word “racist” originated from the word “racialism”. Racialism simply means the differences between races. Do you deny that there differences between races, instead claiming all races are the same? If you do, then you are boldly lying!
Racist was coined from racialism by none other than Karl Marx. It was first applied in use during the Russian Revolution in order to divide the Bolsheviks (red communists) from the White Russians (non-communists). The Bolsheviks were very successful causing tensions between many groups of people, not just along racial lines but cultural and religious also. It is a practice that has been used successfully ever since. You have this ingrained so deeply it has become the defacto crutch for liberal Marxists today. You use the terms without regards and understanding as to how it originated and for what purposes it was used. So you are correct in saying those who use the word in claiming something is the ones responsible. You are the one using it and claiming others are racists. Yet you fail to realize your own racist tendencies. But wait, you don’t any; right?
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
holy moly, that is a whopper of major dimensions., marx never used the phrase. it was first used in 1907. it is funny how everything rolls back to the commies in your mind, eh? lol
racism, for u information, is the believe u r superior to others — u believe ur are superior to blacks and mexicans and asians, because u are a southern gentleman.,.. u do not have it overtly, but u imply it. it is in your blood
do u deny hilter killed 6 million jews? that is the question
i would never equate lincoln with genocide, btw — the civil war was a just war to end a horrible way of life and free slaves controlled by a white elite who treated them as chattel. good riddance to white trash, is what i say.
@donblassvivar,
Huuum, who made YOU judge, jury and executioner?
So you’re taking one article and interpreting it the way you see it and creating strawmen for an army to fight a mock battle against the enemies you created by the name associations. Nice going….
I stated in this thread before that I wouldn’t please everyone nor even many people with some of the things I write. Maybe in retrospect I can’t please some people with anything I write, and as I said before, that is fine. I’m simply not here to appease you or anyone else. You believe whatever you so desire and I’ll do the same. But the problem is much more than that. You can’t stand what I post or even stand for, so you feel helpless because you can’t defend against most of what I write, and then you think in your tiny mind that I may be a bad influence on others, which may cost you some support down the road. (Meaning you are afraid of losing people of similar understandings to yours, which would eventually isolate your ideology and cost you support in the political field as well as society.) So you feel it is your duty to keep the people informed and be their judge, jury and executioner protecting them from people like me.
The above tells me you are of a shallow mind and you do not trust other people to make up their own minds; that you feel superior enough that you are going to help them along by attacking me. All I ask of others is this, let each of you read the article in its’ entirety along with other articles there. Research the place out and study the validity of those articles for yourself. Don’t take my word for it and don’t take donblassvivar or anyone elses. You have a brain, use it and decide things for yourself for once in your life. Become independent and judge for yourself. Then if you don’t agree or like something, no one else has to tell you anything in order to sway your mind. You know from your own studying and learning the details involved. In the process you become your own person without having to rely on others. For when you rely on others you are at their mercy, and people will tell you anything in order to further justify their goals and beliefs. This donblassvivar takes all of your for fools, I do not. I think you can read and understand for yourselves if given the right opportunity. Then if you disagree with me, that’s fine.
I could debate and argue his post; but what’s the point? He’s created a strawman army which means I would be fighting ghosts and goblins! He would keep me busy just correcting his errant strawmen arguments which would make it next to impossible to directly debate the actual points/validity of the article.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
guilty as charged… ur turn to fess up u are a closet member of the klan…
@donblassvivar,
I don’t confess anything to a liberal except they’re wrong. You’re trying your absolute best to turn this into a personal attack ad hominem style. It’s simply what liberals do best following their trusty rulebook. You’re not worthy of any further answer concerning your post.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
the civil war [not the war between the states, not the war for southern independence] is over… u lost, and thank god. a strong federal government is the only thing keeping us safe from tea party lunatics and southern revisionist and right wing extremists,. i fully support a strong central govt, as it is the last defense against tryanny
@don,
“the civil war [not the war between the states, not the war for southern independence] is over… u lost, and thank god. a strong federal government is the only thing keeping us safe from tea party lunatics and southern revisionist and right wing extremists,. i fully support a strong central govt, as it is the last defense against tryanny”
WoW and WOW! You are really showing yourself in all your greed, selfishness, self-righteousness, arrogance and ignorance! I’m not saying this to personally attack you, but I am stating this in order to show how you are presenting yourself and your beliefs to other people reading this.
You comments shows greed and selfishness by you wanting to claim other people’s free agency and Sovereignty over their lives and government. As I stated a couple of posts earlier, you think your knowledge is so superior that YOU must enforce your will upon others through “Democratic” law, which is NOT a Republican form of government. (To be fair the Republican Party is just as bad, as are many of its’ members.) You want it all and you want it for yourself, and others you believe as you. In the process you would destroy everyone and anyone who opposes you, just as Lincoln done in his war to get what he wanted. It’s called greed and selfishness!
You are self-righteous and arrogant by claiming your superiority using the race card and you identify this by your arrogance in the unjustifiable name calling in trying to impose a guilt trip or guilt complex on anyone who reads your writings. You’re playing on people’s emotions and sympathies, and not using any logic as a basis to discern what is factual from what you actually feel about something. In psychology it is known that emotions takes precedence over logic and commonsense any time, if one can appeal to those emotions in the right way. This was originally refined by Karl Marx and is widely used today by Marxists the world over. You’ve drunk a lot of kool-aid to get to this point. So keep towing that Marxist mindset. Drink more kool-aid!
And finally, you show your ignorance. You don’t know your real history and call me and what I believe revisionistist. Strange as it may sound, it is you who is the revisionist, and that makes you ignorant. For I can back up with historical records what I state. YOU cannot! But there lies another problem, in that you are afraid to research out such things in depth because you may find you are actually wrong. But you can easily justify your statements by simply quoting other revisionists who believes like you and who may carry some kind of title, such as Dr. or professor. As odd as it may sound to you, not all people of titles believes the same things. Even they disagree and one side is actually the revisionists. And all one need do, even to the revisionist professor, is make them dig enough in the right places and they will see their mistakes, though they are to the point they can not acknowledge it for a fear of loss of credibility.
I speak this last paragraph from experience. I’ve debated more than a few liberal people who title themselves professors. I catch them in their game and point out their ill conceived revised statements which they present as facts. In short order I dispatch them over their blunders, as it only takes enough time for them to make such a revised statement. I do not fail against them, nor shall I let you get by with it. You simply have no choice but to not answer most of my assertions as they are presented. In return you start your classic character assassinations, ad hominem style. The name calling and race baiting. Yet you will take offense and claim I am doing this to you by the terms I label you with above. Yet I have just explained how my labels are justified and associated to your beliefs, philosophically and ideologically. btw–I haven’t even begun to fight with my words yet! You simple haven’t given me anything to challenge my knowledge…..
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
This goes along fairly well with what I’ve been talking about.
“Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.” — Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864, writing on what would happen if the Confederacy were to be defeated.”
My updated interpretation of Maj General Patrick Cleburne:..
We are ALL now subjects of the US Government, for it is too late. It has meant our history has been wrote by the victors; ALL our youth is taught from Government approved books and schoolteachers; having been taught their versions of self-righteousness; that have been impressed upon them regarding our dead patriots as traitors and our followers as being lunatics.. It is being said that slavery was what we fought for, that we have not given up the fight for slavery. This is not true for our enemies are still fighting over much more than slavery. It was a pretext in establishing a Federal Union with an all powerful central government that has taken away our rights and liberties, and it is still at war doing so.
Explaining the original quote to the current tense.
–Michael–Deo Vindicabamur–
the civil war was fought because of slavery.. no matter how u spin it. slavery was the central premise of the war. the south’s battle for independence was an attempt to establish a country built on a slave economy, cotton. it had nothing to do with anything else. souther revisionists are almost as bad a holocaust deniers.
@donblassvivar, Said “the civil war was fought because of slavery.. no matter how u spin it. slavery was the central premise of the war. the south’s battle for independence was an attempt to establish a country built on a slave economy, cotton. it had nothing to do with anything else. souther revisionists are almost as bad a holocaust deniers.”
It’s Very Clear that you never studied History when you were in School, because you would Knowbetter if you did. I can see now that Don’s point of View is Limited at best to the teachings of Carl Marx at best.
I guess it’s time to discontinue any further replies to anyone who is so oblivious to the Truth.
@don,
“the civil war was fought because of slavery.. no matter how u spin it. slavery was the central premise of the war. the south’s battle for independence was an attempt to establish a country built on a slave economy, cotton. it had nothing to do with anything else. souther revisionists”
You make me laugh–roflmao– Your true nature is coming out every time you write now.
Please DON’T ever forget:
1-Slavery was permitted in the US Constitution, it was legal. (Regardless to what our personal thoughts on it are.)
2-Slavery itself is a matter of state’s rights. While Constitutionally legal, each state had the power to legalize it or not for their state.
3-Tariffs and taxes was also a State’s Right issue, as was the right of the state’s to allow or disallow state militias/guard units from being called into federal service.
4-The 13th Amendment was passed unConstitutionally.
5-Slavery existed in the North until 1866.
6-The 14th Amendment was passed unConstitutionally and at gun point under supervision of union troops in some states, including New Jersey, being one Northern State.
7-The Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves in the North, but only those slaves that were in CSA states and under union control. Even then the union army would not impose the law uniformly.
So now, the shoe is on the other foot! According to your OWN words, the federal government under Lincoln committed treason by attacking the Southern States to free the slaves. It was treason because the US Constitution permitted slavery and Lincoln and hs followers did not follow the Constitution, breaking the Rule of Law and Dur Process by deciding on their own to overthrow slavery by simply waging war against it, which was also unConstitutional. (NOT that I personally believe it happened this way, but that is how your thoughts are to be justified by your statements. But of course you’re gonna claim some other excuse. I’d enjoy hearing it! With baited breath of course!) I will also add, Lincoln did in fact destroy the Republic by his acts of war against the South and of many people in the North. He stated so himself with his remark I quoted several posts back. You do remember that quote; right? Lincoln stated, “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic.” So Lincoln saved the union in return, which leads me to this question; Which is more important; saving the union or saving the Republic when only one is possible in its’ entirety? (Lincoln could still have saved His union by simply keeping the states that agreed with him, and that would be their union.) Sounds more like jealously and greed to me, when one wishes to keep everything regardless to the wishes of the people. In the end it was that jealously and greed that caused him to attack and conquer a separate nation and people, as he wanted their wealth.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
“..are almost as bad a holocaust deniers.”
Huum you’re the one talking about holocausts. So, let’s talk about the holocaust that Stalin committed against the Russians and Jews! There were millions more people killed under Stalin than under Hitler! Or how about, Mao and the Chinese communists? There were as many people killed in the holocaust he committed against the Asians, the Chinese, Mongolians, Tibetans and others in the surrounding areas as did Stalin kill and more! So yes, let us talk about your holocausts and what the liberals have covered up in trying to hide their communist Marxist connections! Yes, Hitler was an armature compared to your communist buddies! And finally, we could also talk of the app. 1 million Americans Lincoln was responsible for killing in his war against the US Constitution. Do you really want to bring all this up in making yourself look even worse, more guilty?
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
This is a good’un! Don’t forget George Washington was too!
“Jefferson was a pot-head. And wicked fond of his hard apple cider. Yet we don’t consider HIM a crackpot. I’m fairly certain that donblassvivar doesn’t partake in anything that would boost their power of reason.”
And now I have a question.
I thought only liberals wanted pot legalized?
Or is it that only the neo-conservatives want pot criminalized?
O’gee, now I’m confounded!
Michael–Deo Vindicabamur
If you voted for Obama because he is black, you are a racist. If you didn’t vote for Obama because he is black, you are a racist. I did not vote for Obama because his campaign was all talk and no substance. He did not say what “Change” was and now we know and I’m glad I didn’t vote for him.
I’m a tea party member and have warned my family that if I disappear to look for me in the FEMA camps that Obama is setting up around the country.
independent voter
@lori
Guess I’m a racist for not voting at all.
As for the FEMA camps, Obama did not start them. They were started under the first George Bush and plans were being undertaken long before that. Do note that John Sununu under George Bush 1st wanted Bush to declare martial law at the start of the Gulf War in order that the plans of establishing a New Constitution be enacted quicker. Problem was at the time they felt there was enough FEMA camps and federal agents, along with the police to fully implement the goals. Seems the time is now about as good as it is gonna get. Also note that George Bush 2nd called the US Constitution a GxxDamnxd piece of paper. Think I’m lying don’t you? A Republican wouldn’t be that way; would they? Read it and weep comrades!
http://rense.com/general69/paper.htm
Sad thing is Romney is no different!
Same as Obama…
You have nobody but to blame but yourselves!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
My bad.. This
“…lt there was enough FEMA camps and federal agents”
Should have read, lt there was NOT enough FEMA camps and federal agents….
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Never take on an army when you can slip in a take out their general.
The vast majority of our military people (99.9 hopefully) would never attack Americans no matter how many illegal orders were given by their so-called commanders.
Congress and the executive branch are keeping our military out of the country for the same reasons the Romans would not allow their conquering legions to cross the Rubicon and enter Rome even for a parade.
if some wingers take up arms in my neighborhood because obama gets reelected, u can bet i will be the first out the door with my .22 and making sure these enemies of the stater are put down. guaranteed!!!
Headline I’m waiting for: OBAMA MISSING, MAY BE IN HIDING!
If they should come for my freedom loving conservative brothers and sisters, let them come for me first!