The State Department is maintaining a “counter-misinformation” page on an America.gov blog that attempts to “debunk aconspiracy theory” that President Obama was not born in the United States, as if the topic were equivalent to believingspace aliens visit Earth in flying saucers.
However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.
In a number of court cases challenging Obama’s eligibility, dual citizenship has been raised as a factor that could compromise his “natural born” status under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. The cases argue dual citizenship would make Obama ineligible even if documentary evidence were shown the public, such as the hospital-issued long-form birth certificate that indicates the place of his birth and the name of the attending physician.
The entry “The Obama Birth Controversy” was written by Todd Leventhal, identified as the chief of the Counter- Misinformation Team for the U.S. Department of State. The office appears to have been established “to provide information about false and misleading stories in the Middle East,” as described in a biography of Leventhal published on the U.S. Public Diplomacy website.
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Dr. Alan Keyes Discusses His Upcoming Obama Eligibility Lawsuit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQc-baC7ZGE
As a citizen of these United States, I have a right to know if a candidate for president is, first of all a natural born citizen as prescribed in the Constitution. Secondly, Is that person now is a citizen of this nation solely, and has no allegiance to any other country as it would obviously be at the very least a conflict of interest of that sacred office to which he ascribes.
Sadly, what I have seen about our president, is only "smoke and mirrors", deliberate attempts by those who are close to him, and no outward appearance of attempting to satisfy any such request.
His actions have done little to dissuade such a position.
It has already been shown that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen due to his birth in Hawaii.
The writers of the Constitution did not believe that there could be such a thing as divided loyalty. They believed that a person had only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born.
In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:
It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.
Ellen,
Loser! Bott! You are just repeating the same old canned response! Get reprogrammed!
You never discuss the facts or issues at all. In this case, the issue is whether dual nationality affects Natural Born Citizen status. If it did, it would mean that a foreign law could make a US-born child ineligible. Then, if the law were repealed, the child would become eligible. Then, if the country passed the law again, the child would again not be eligible. It is silly to think that US law gives that kind of respect to a foreign law, and we don't. So, obviously dual nationality has no effect.
Ellen!
Same old canned spin by you!
You never discuss the facts or the issues. The issue in this case is whether dual nationality affects Natural Born Citizen status. It does NOT affect. If it did, it would mean that a foreign law could make a US-born child not eligible to be president. Dual nationality relies entirely on foreign laws. If there is a law, a child would not be eligible (under this theory) but the foreign country repeals the, the child then is eligible. We simply cannot, and do not, allow foreign laws to jerk us around like this.
That should read: "but the if foreign country repeals the law, the child then is eligible. "
Sorry. it should read " If the foreign country repeals the law, the child then is eligible."
This country doesn't operate per foreign law..it operates per U.S. Constitutional Law which states Natural Born Citizen must be born of 2 U.S. citizens. Born of 1 citizen would make him a native citizen. Upon being adopted by his Indonesian father, he would have lost his Indonesian citizenship at age 19 after return to the U.S. but at that point would have been a naturalized citizen. He is not nor has he ever been a Natural Born Citizen.
So glad we have the worst looking "real long form BC" I have ever seen to verify his non-citizen Kenyan father. Looks real contemporary to me.
Ellen?
Malfuction?
Malfuctioning Ellen?
From an IRS agent.
As an IRS tax examiner I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S. and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.
Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro” (Barry’s own admission). Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen (again Barry’s own admission). The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth father.
The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.
Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend. Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro.
His mother’s passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mother. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grandparents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry’s mother divorced.
A “certificate of live birth” (NOT the original “long form”) can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are.
The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother.) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it (I’ve tried).
There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name “Barrack Hussein Obama”. I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father.
I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… That doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.
The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission.) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani man to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.
Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely.)
Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission). One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York (the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S.), had a reason to start using a new name.
There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… Maybe Barry is one of them?
After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and/or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)
When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided.
So the IRS assigned the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number.
When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.
It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job. He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as “Obama”. Fake Diploma’s were very big in the 80′s and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in). Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.
The Saudi’s apparently loved Barry’s story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name “Obama”. The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendee President of the Law Review, even though he was a person that never wrote a single law review.
I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard. It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was, most likely, a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA (multiple reports of this) street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters.
I hired people overseas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals.
I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi’s, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still WANTED on an outstanding warrant in New York.
Barry’s Selective Service registration is not normal either…
http://wwwdebbieschlusselcom/4428/exclusive-did-next-commande…
After I looked at Barry’s Selective Service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name “Obama” until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California). His Selective Service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept. 1980.
Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept. 1980 (Barry’s admission) and was not using the fictitious name “Obama” at that time.
Barry began using the fictitious name “Obama” only after he returned from Pakistan so the Selective Service filing is fraudulent.
Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-Christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle.
Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry’s first love.
Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a background investigation and he would never pass one, so Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm.
Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion.
He wrote lots of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they knew Barry was a fraud and don’t want to be sued by previous clients.) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud.
The Bar knows Barry lied on his application.
Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayor’s office.
It appears that this was the time period Larry Sinclair writes about in which Barry did his cocaine and additional homosexual activities in Chicago, even though he now had a one year old daughter at home with Michelle. One can only guess that she accepted his bisexual nature while recognizing his potential for bigger things. (Sounds like Hillary and Bill in Russia, doesn’t it?)
With time on his hands Barry, a well spoken black man, was able to get elected to a state office, oddly because he looked for fraud in his opponents voter registrations and got his opponent disqualified from running.
Barry, a well-versed liar, was a natural in state politics.
He used his political influence to get himself a position as a lecturer at Chicago’s law school. Barry embellished this position as a “professor of law” which everyone knows is completely false. Barry was not a professor or even a specialist at anything but lying.
On a whim Barry ran for United States Senate for the State of Illinois. Politicians do this all the time to make a name for themselves even if they can’t win.
At the time the Republican Ryan was a shoe-in for the Senate seat, so no real Democrat contenders entered the race, but Barry did. On a fluke after the primary Ryan’s wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of nine from Star Trek), went public that her husband was making her have sex with other people while he watched. Ryan dropped out and Alan Keys moved from Maryland to run against Barry Soetoro.
The election got all kinds of press because there were no blacks in the U.S. Senate and one of these black men was going to be a Senator.
Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Barry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpet bagger. Barry kept the lie going and presented himself as a clean black man that talked like a white man.
Illinois elected Barry to U.S. Senate. The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry’s background when Ryan dropped out.
Phil, Barry’s boyfriend from Occidental, was found working in California as a communications specialist (receptionist) for a dental hygienist school and given a diploma from Columbia and a cover story.
The rest of Barry’s drug friends were all given jobs or money by the Democrat machine to keep quiet.
Because Barry was such a news maker as the only Black in the Senate and he could speak like a white man, he was made key speaker for the Democrat convention. Barry then decided to run for President to keep the lie going. No one thought to question Barry’s background in the Democrat party.
As suspicions arose, they helped cover up the ugly background.
The only person jumping up and down warning Barry was not who he claimed to be was Alan Keys and he was discarded as just an angry loser.
Now we have a complete fraud sitting in the Office of the President.
Clearly the most corrupt, inexperienced, and ignorant President in the history of the United States who’s only quality is that he can lie with a straight face.”
If you go back and read the transcript of the senate judiciary hearings of Oct 5, 2004 you will find they PLANNED to ignore the constitution. It is unmistakable they knew the language of NBC and that it was a block which only an amendment could erase. Read the damn thing and see for yourself they actually admit knowing what they planned was illegal. 4th down the list.
http://judiciary.senate.gov/resources/transcripts…
Make no mistake they all conspired to do this in one fashion or another, through fear, fraud or mistake. The only recourse is to make an example of the ringleaders.
Right. It seems this was done for Obama rather than by Obama. I have thought that all along. I do not see happenstance as in a Rube Goldberg cartoon but a deliberate disregard for our Constitution. The fruit we see bears this out.
Why does anyone pay attention to Chris Matthews. He is still having orgasams just looking at his grand commander.
My late wife was born in France. Her father was an American serviceman who married her French mother. They came back to America when she was 5 years old. When she turned 18, she had to choose between her dual citizenships, one of which would forever be abrogated. Now I don't know if there would have been a "default" choice if she had not elected one, but the choice had to be made THEN, when she was 18. According to this article, Obama was at least ALSO a Kenyan citizen in 1982, the year he would have been 21.
I don't know how many have seen it, but I have a link to a video in which Obama is telling a group of Hispanic or Middle-eastern appearing people that he wasn't born in Hawaii or in America. If nothing else, there's enough material evidence to this that it should be thoroughly investigated.
The video is a fake, created as a spoof, unless you have a new one. How about providing the link?
Yea, Bush did it
James,
Vile human waste of a person!
This statement by you means nothing! You have so discredited yourself that no one can believe you any more than they can a Ed Schultz or a Chris Matthews! Your usual spin on all proof is that it is spoof? plese do continue! I would like more of a challenge from you though!
That video, and some other more recent ones, are all faked by cutting out words. You can tell by looking at the reaction of the audience. Obviously if a president had really said "I was born in Kenya," you would see surprise, maybe shock on their faces, but there is no change in their reaction.
Obama said in his book that he was born in Hawaii, and he posted a Hawaiian birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, the official birth certificate of Hawaii, that shows that he was born in Hawaii. Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying. And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Ellen,
As usual you give the same old pathetic spin & lies of which may i add that i have disproved numerous times on this site! if you are in fact a bott then James should reprogram you for a more up to date & better response. If you are in fact a a staff member coordinating with James McPherson then all i have to say is that the two of you are doing a pathetic job! Seriously! I would like to feel challenged but you simply are not worthy of doing so!
You have not disproved anything because you never discuss the facts. In this case, the issue is whether Obama ever said that he was born in Kenya. He did not; those videos are forged. In fact, Obama was the first and so far the only US president to show his official birth certificate, which proves that he was born in Hawaii.
I am not on anyone's staff, nor am I being paid. Are you being paid? Regardless of whether you or I are being paid the facts are still the same. Obama did not say that he was born in Kenya. Obama has presented official, confirmed evidence that he was born in Hawaii.
Lol! OMG! Ellen you are one dumb bott! Even this response is the same old canned response from you! Seriously no one here is buying this Kool Aide!
You never discuss the facts or the issues. In this discussion the issue is over whether Obama ever said that he was born in Kenya. Obviously he did not. It would be the last thing that he said. He has said in his book that he was born in Hawaii, and he has produced an official birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii. Moreover, it can be shown from the expressions of the audience members in the video that he did not say anything unusual.
http://www.knowthelies.com/node/7207
You might learn from this
ELLEN YOU'R PATHETIC!
Again, you are simply calling names.
He was born wherever his mother happened to be at the time and, as far as I know or can find out, no one has answered that question. However we seem to have natural born US citizens who are far from being America by the way they live. So is that a falible requirement? Can you tell me where Stanley Ann was at the moment of birth? Where Obama was born is immaterial since a baby born anywhere in the world would be no different if he was adopted and raised with an American born family but I would still like to see all those gaps in Obama's history filled in. Should be very interesting. There must be a reason for their existence and surely that is not an oversight.
Answering the question as to where he was born. Yes, she was in Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii, as this witness recalls being told (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) and as the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, has also said recently. Obama and his sister have both said Kapilolani Hospital (His sister was misquoted by UPI but she always said Kapiolani).
Do you know what hospital George Bush was born at? Clinton? Bush41? Reagan?
ELLEN,
MAYBE YOU HAD BETTER LAY OFF THE KOOL AIDE A LITTLE!
You never discuss the facts. The facts are that Obama and his sister (who was misquoted once by always said Kapiolani) and the witness and the governor of Hawaii have all said that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital.
ELLEN & JAMES BOTH IN ONE!
NO ONE IS BUYING YOUR BS!
That should read (who was misquoted once, but always said Kapiolani). It was UPI that got her statement about the hospital wrong, but she has always said Kapiolani,
ELLEN,
WHERE IS THE FACTS?
NONE AS USUAL!
Thank you for asking. The facts are that Obama has published an official birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii. He, his sister, the governor of Hawaii, and this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) have all said that it was in Kapiolani Hospital. Obama's sister was misquoted once by UPI, but she has always said Kapiolani.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother has always said she was present at his birth in KENYA as have said government officials there.
Who was in charge of making sure this immigrant anti american mutt was legally qualified to be president of the U.S. ? The sword of justice needs to fall there to start with. Anyone who had anything to do with hiding info on this pricks background should be charged with treason against the United States and publicly punnished. Enough is enough, we have a constitution that has and is not being followed. Time has come for some serious changes, I just hope I can be on some of the juries with anyone charged with a crime that is trying to correct this mess– hung jury. We start in November and will not finnish until the despot are running for their safety.
It isn't who "was" in chage, it is who IS in charge of making sure any president elect is qualified. That is We the People. We, or any one of us, petitions congress, the courts or the military to investigate the qualification and they must oblige according to their oath and under penalty of misprision of felony or treason if during time of war. You now know why Obama says we are not at war. You also know the crime congress must be held to trial for. Not only have they conspired to overthrow the constitution but they have done so with the aid of the high court and the highest offices of the military. When the LTC Lakin court marshal plays out the last proof will be solidly in place that this conspiracy has united all power once divided by the constitution. IMO as well as many others of great honor and respect, we are at the crossroads of liberty and tyranny with only a counting of ballots to decide whether the future will be lawful or revolutionary.
The Democrat Party has to make sure people are eligible before they run for office.
Yes, and Pelosi signed two different documents certifying that he was eligible although she knew perfectly well he was not. (One document gives the Constitutional phrase of eligibility, the other does not)
We know he was born in Kenya. but was he born in a hospital or a zoo.
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii.
If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother's US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.
If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother's passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.
Also, Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying. She said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Ellen,
You are such a joke!
Same old canned & B/S statement!
Seriously no one here even takes you serious other than your Pathetic Associate James McPherson the Alledged Fake Journalist & Media Law Professor.
You never discuss the facts. You only call names.
Ellen!
No one is buying this Kool Aide!
Barry's passport files have disappeared .. so have his mommy's (Stanley Ann's) files disappeared. Isn't that just too peculiar and coincidental? And the guy who was ordered to expunge Barry's passport files was found dead in his car with a bullet through his head. Hmmmm? Also very peculiar and coincidental. This young Kenyan feller (per Chicago newspaper) is surrounded by peculiarities and coincidence, wouldn't you say?
Oobama's passport files have not "disappeared." They are still in the files. Some of Stanley Ann's records were destroyed because thousands of record were destroyed at the time. The GSA ruled that keeping certain old record was expensive and unnecessary.
The claim that Obama's files were "expunged" is a myth. We know that someone accessed the files. No one has ever said that his files were altered or expunged, and the Republicans were in charge of the State Department at the time, and we presume that they would have said if that had been the case.
ELLEN,
SWEETY!
LAY OFF THE KOOL AIDE!
You never discuss the facts. In this case, you are calling facts "Kool Aide." The facts are that no one from the State Department ever said that Obama's files were "expunged."
ELLEN / JAMES BOTT!
NONSENSE! B/S! SPIN! LIES!
GET IT?
THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE!
Once again, you are not discussing the facts. You are just calling names. No one from the State Department ever said that Obama's files were "expunged."
ELLEN,
NO FACTS! JUST SPIN! JUST LIES!
The facts are that no one from the State Department ever said that Obama's files were 'expunged." Nor did it say that an intruder or visitor to the files in anyway deleted or changed the files.
ALl passport records are available to 1925…Stanley Ann Dunham's are missing prior to 1965.
Supplys, as the old guy from China who jumped out from behind the thick wooden door screamed out as loud as he could, as everyones nerves were nearly frayed after spending countless hours in court asking for the most basic form of ID, a bloody real "BIRTH CERTIFICATE!"
Oh and how about a little look in the old school records, afterall I can't see anyone being hired to any job even say mopping the floor, with zero records of employmet or schooling.
Obama has already shown the REAL birth certificate of Hawaii. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used every year by thousands of people. It is also the only birth document that Hawaii has issued since 2001. Hawaii does not send out copies of the long form birth certificate anymore.
Your analogy of hiring someone is a little out of date. We have already hired Obama and he was sworn in by the chief justice. If you want to see his school records, demand them in the next presidential election. I will bet that his Republican opponent does not show her or his complete school records either.
Ellen,
No one is buying this Kool Aide from you!
You never discuss the facts. You only call names. In this case, the discussion was over whether the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. It is. And the discussion was over whether Obama needs to show his school records. He doesn't. But in the next presidential election, if he does not show school records while his Republican opponent does, that might have an impact on the election. Until then, he doesn't have to show school records.
Ellen,
No one wants your Kool Aide!
His COLB has been forensically determined to be fraudulent and a fake, as has everything else about this imposter who has usurped the Office of the President. Thousands of people here in the U.S.A. use forged and stolen identification papers every year, but that doesn't make it legal or right. Ellen, you seem to be the originator of "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up!"
Who told you that it was forensically determined? Only two guys who will not give their real names have made that assertion. No official or former official has said anything. No one who has given their real names has claimed that the documents were forged. The McCain campaign looked into the allegations of forgery, as they looked into the allegations of birth outside of the USA, and found that the allegations were false.
Moreover, the officials in Hawaii have twice confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate, the OFFICIAL Certification of Live Birth. The facts that they have confirmed were that he was born in Hawaii and that he was born in 1961. They did this once just before the election and once about a year ago. In their first statement they said that there is an original birth certificate in the files (at that time Hawaii did not allow foreign or other state birth certificates to be filed in Hawaii, so the original must be from Hawaii). In the second confirmation they said that the document VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So the original must be from Hawaii, and it must say in it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Recently, the governor of Hawaii has also confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii,
So, there is no evidence that the document was forged, and repeated confirmations that the facts on the document are accurate. Also, Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying. And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
These are the facts.
TOO MUCH KOOL AIDE ELLEN!
You never discuss the facts. In this case you are calling facts "Kool Aide." The facts are that there is no evidence that Obama's birth certificate was forged, only two guys who will not give their real names have said that it was. And there are confirmations by the officials in Hawaii that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are accurate. Both officials are members of a Republican governor's administration, and most recently the Republican governor herself said that there is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, at Kapiolani Hospital.
Is Your last name obama by some slim chance
ELLEN
BOTT! GO GET EDUCATED ON THE FACTS!
JUST MORE SPIN 7 LIES FROM YOU AS USUAL!
Once again, you are not discussing the facts. I am educated in them, and they show that Obama published the official birth certificate of Hawaii and that the facts on it were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii and most recently by the governor of Hawaii. And, there is a witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii and writing home about it (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece). Also, Obama's Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said in two separate interviews that he was born in Hawaii. These are the facts.
ELLEN,
NO FACTS! JUST SPIN & LIES AS USUAL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug
check it out Ellen. This is how Obummer got into Harvard from the horse's mouth.
How could this be true when the dual citizenship rule did not come into effect until February 1977!!!
Dual citizenship has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. That holds for current dual citizens, and it holds even more for former dual citizens.
The writers of the Constitution did not believe in divided loyalties. They believed that a person could have only one loyalty, to the country where he was born. This is what Blackstone thought, and so did Madison. He said:
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.’
As you can see, there is only one criterion of allegiance, the place where a person was born.
"The writers of the Constitution did not believe in divided loyalties. They believed that a person could have only one loyalty"
ellen or is it James,
That is very true but Obama's loyalty is certainly not with the United States of America. He and all those who committed fraud to get this usurper into office must be removed and charged with treason and dealt with accordingly if found guilty i.e. hanging or firing squad.
If you could prove this, you might be able to get Congress to impeach him. That would be difficult since it requires a two-thirds vote of the US Senate. And, in the highly unlikely event that Obama were impeached, Biden would become president.
Not true.
What are you saying is "not true?" That it takes a two-thirds vote, or that Biden would become president?
I will agree with you, web. Obama follows a different spirit, a foreign spirit such as we find in the UN which in turn originated in the USSR. I can remember some of the discussions of that time and the UN was fabricated to USSR specifications with Alger Hiss, a card carrying Communist the leading architect. The UN still follows these specifications. Those same Communists were most angry with one Richard Nixon when he finally nailed Hiss with perjury but could not get any other charges to stick. We finally did find out from Russia that Hiss was a card carrying Communist, meaning he had no loyalty to the United States. Whether he was natural born or not I don't know but it might be worth checking. Everything was in place before Obama came along so he is not numero uno in this mess.
Ellen,
Same old canned B/S-Bull Shit!
James McPherson reprogram your Bott! Ellen is Pathetic!
You do not discuss the facts or the issues. You only call names.
Ellen,
No one here is buying the Kool aide!
You never discuss facts or issues.
Ellen! No one is buying what you say sweety!Just Kool Aide!
You are full of crap ellen. Anyone that tries to claim our birthright citizenship is not also tied with a concern over allegiance and foreign influence is a liar. Why do you suppose there is a provision where "place" is excepted for ambassadors, heads of states etc. ? Oh but their allegiances are all too well known to disguise but people with your intentions even claim they are not a danger. How is it you come to be ill informed or is it that you have become a threat to liberty with that intent? Ignorance is feign it is the latter and In fact this country has had about enough of activists like yourself interfering, scheming, diminishing our sovereignty and creating chaos. The time is very near when your illogic once passed into public view will redeem it's proper rebuke. Treachery will be rewarded properly. You have earned your scarlet letter.
"You have earned your scarlet letter"
Gee, with the current White House, the former White House, Congress, the Courts and most Americans all in on the conspiracy, will there be enough letters to go around? I guess its a good thing that American corporations have found that the Chinese and Vietnamese and Guatamalans sew fast.
JAMES,
LOSER!
THIS IS SUCH A PATHETIC 7 POOR RESPONSE!
REALLY! CAN YOU NOT DO ANY BETTER THAN THIS?
CORRECTIONS: &
The rule has to do with jurisdiction. Every person who is in the USA, legally or illegally, is under the jurisdiction of US laws except for foreign diplomats. They should, and in most cases do, obey our laws. But if they don't, there is nothing that we can do except send them home because foreign diplomats are not under the jurisdiction of country laws.
All others are under the jurisdiction of our laws, and so the Wog Kim Ark ruling (six to two, one not voting) held that every child born in the USA is Natural Born, and when that person is also a citizen, she or he is of course a Natural Born Citizen.
That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
And that is why there are MANY federal court rulings in which the children of one or two foreign citizens are described as Natural Born US Citizens. Such as:
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.
ELLEN!
COOL IT! YOU MIGHT OD ON KOOL AIDE!
You never discuss the facts. Now you are calling facts "Kool Aide." The facts are that the courts have repeatedly ruled that the US-born children of one or two foreigners are Natural Born Citizens, and the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case ruled that the meaning of Natural Born was simply "born in the country with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats."
ELLEN,
YOU ARE A BOTT!
GET REAL STUPID!
Regardless of where Obama was born he was born a dual citizen. As such he was excluded from being elected president. He was placed on the ballot through fraud and perjury and should be removed from office. What part of our Constitution that says only a natural born citizen is eligible to serve as president is so hard to understand? It is obvious Obama did not qualify to be elected under our constitution . He has to be removed!!!
Dual nationality has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. The writers of the Constitution did not believe in divided loyalty. They believed that a person could have only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born.
In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:
It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.
Besides, the very concept of dual nationality affecting Natural Born Citizen status implies that we allow a foreign law to jerk us around. If there is a foreign law that says George has dual nationality, then despite the fact that George was born in the USA, he would (under this theory) not be eligible. If the foreign country repealed that law, George would be eligible. If the foreign country passed the law again, George would again not be eligible. We can't allow foreign countries to jerk us around like that, and we don't.
You should read the constitution. A natural born citizen is required to have two (2) parents who are citizens. Obama did not. The constitution states only a natural born citizen is eligible to hold the office of president, Artticle 2 Section 1 clearly states that requirement. Are you an Obama lover?
There is not a word in the Constitution about two citizen parents. Not a word. And, the meaning of Natural Born in America at the time that the Constitution was written was simply "born in the country."
That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
Are they Obama lovers?
Here is one you can read… It states only "natural born citizens" shall be eleigible to hold the office of President. Why do you suppose that is?
“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Note it says parents who are citizens….
December 15, 2008
What is this “natural born citizen” mentioned as one of the three requirements to be President and “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States”?
Article 2, Section 1 of the United States Constitution:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
The quotation beginning the "natives, or natural-born.." was written by Vattel, a Swiss philosopher, who also recommended that every state establish a state religion and forc people to join it. American leaders at the time did read Vattel, but they also read a lot of other things, and there is no evidence that they followed Vattel on the two-parent theory any more than they followed him on establishing a state religion.
NO American writing at the time of the Constitution ever used Natural Born to indicate two citizen parents, or for that matter one citizen parent. The phrase at the time did not refer to the parents; it referred only to the place of birth. If the Americans writing the Constitution were to have changed their definition of Natural Born from one based on place to one based on parents, they would have told us. There is no such evidence.
What is a Natural Born Citizen? First, it is a citizen. Foreigners are not allowed to become president. Second, it is not a naturalized citizen. Persons born outside the USA who become citizens by being naturalized are not Natural Born. But there is not a shred of evidence that the writers of the Constitution considered that the US-born children of foreigners to be any different than the US-born children of citizens.
A citizen merely born in the U.S.A. is a "native born citizen," not a natural born citizen.
At the time that the Constitution was written Natural Born was a synonym for Native Born. It was used far more often than Native Born at the time, and it was always used to mean "born in the country' by Americans at the time. It was never used by Americans at the time to refer to parents.
As late as World War I, men who registered for the US draft were asked whether they were citizens and then, if they were, whether they were naturalized or Natural Born. Natural Born did not and could not have referred to their parents, only to their place of birth.
Here is what is says in an article regarding Natural Born in the 14th amendment.
The dissent argued that the meaning of the “subject to the jurisdiction” language found in 14th Amendment was the same as that found in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provides: “All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.” On the meaning of “natural born citizen,” the dissent also cited the treatise on international law by Emerich de Vattel entitled “The Law of Nations”:[26] "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."[27] The dissenters also noted, arguing that birth on the soil was not sufficient to grant citizenship at birth, that:
Note it says of parents who are citizens. Parents meaning two!!!!
Which dissent? Are you talking about the losers? In which case? What did the winners say?
The words "Natural Born Citizens did not appear in a translation of Vattel (who wrote in French) until about a decade after the Constitution was adopted. In other words, the writers of the Constitution did not, and could not get the phrase Natural Born Citizen from Vattel. But they were familiar with the phrase Natural Born Subject, and that is where they got Natural Born Citizen from. And, the meaning of Natural Born in America and Britain at the time was simply "born in the country (with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats.)
Vattel himself may not have said Natural Born Citizen. In French, and in all the translations before the Constitution, his words were that an "indigines" required two citizen parents. But what is an "indigines?" The words Natural Born Citizens were inserted by the translator, a British writer. And, he may well have mistranslated because Vattel gives no guidance on what an "indigines" is. Vattel certainly does not use the words Natural (which is naturel in French) Born (which is ne) and Citizen (citoyen) together.
And Vattel does not say that the leader of a country should be an indigines or a Natural Born Citizen or even a citizen. He gives several examples of countries picking their leaders from the nobility of other countries, and he never says that doing that is a bad thing. Moreover, Vattel recommends some things that the Constitution did not adopt. For example, he recommends that every country adopt a state religion and force people to join it or force them to leave the country. We did not adopt that. so, it require evidence that we did adopt the two-parent theory. But there is no evidence for this, and we know that the writers of the constitution and other Americans writing at the time ALWAYS used the phrase Natural Born to mean "born in the country' and NEVER used it to mean "two citizen parents."
Sure, American leaders wanted to prevent foreign influence, but the evidence is that they thought that birth in the country was sufficient protection. This is particularly true because they held, with Blackstone, that the sole criterion of allegiance is the place of birth.
As Madison put it in a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789:
"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
Now here is a quotation from the WINNERS, from the majority ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case, which was decided six to two, with one justice not voting:
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.'
This says quite clearly that EVERY child born in England, the colonies and the United States and under the constitution was Natural Born, a natural born subject in England, and a Natural Born Citizen in the USA. The ruling also established that the definition at the time of the writing of the Constitution meant "born in the country with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats.' That being the case, every child born in the USA is Natural Born, and when that person is also a citizen, she or he is a Natural Born Citizen.
Ellen,James!Bott!
Try again!
This has become better than a Comedy Club!
We are all laughing at you!
Please do some fact checking!
This spin will not fly here!
Ellen you keep repeating James Madison. Now explain just how you understand that. A house divided cannot stand and we have been a divided house for many years. At the present the Liberal side has been calling the shots and our house is starting to fall. Obama is not Americana regardless of where Stanley Ann was at the moment of his birth but you have no paperwork to show where that took place. Which, if either, of those hospitals was his place of birth and if not one of those hospital then where in Hawaii was he born. Lets have some facts as you keep asking Hot Cougar. I think that button you keep pushing is not working, We either know or we don't know. Who or what put Obama in office? There is a lot of smoke but I see no fire. i hear a lot of positive statement but see no evidence to back those statements up with substance. I can't tell by looking at a rock if it is hot or cold but by feel only. We need a bit more than just our eyes and I see a great lack is some of those others senses.
WHIT IT IS USELESS TO TRY & REASON WITH A BOTT!
Of course there is paperwork. The OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii is official paperwork showing that he was born in Hawaii. This is a fact. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii twice. This is also a fact.
The "smoke" is created by a campaign of people willing to lie and claim, for example, that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. That is an outright lie because in the tape recorded interview she said repeatedly when asked where he was born that he was born in Hawaii, and in another interview she said that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. These also are facts.
Further to that. Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii, as he said in his first book and as his sister said too (The fact that UPI misquoted her does not indicate that she said anything other than Kapiolani). And, this witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in 1961 by a doctor at Kapiolani Hospital says it too (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece). And, most recently the governor of Hawaii has also said that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital.
What hospital was Bush born at? Clinton? Bush41? Reagan? Carter? Ford?
ELLEN,
COOL IT WITH THE KOOL AIDE!
You never discuss the facts. Here you are again, calling facts "Kool Aide." The facts are that Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the officials of the Department of Health and Department of Vital Records of Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that the facts on that certificate are accurate.
Yes Ellen its SO insane to think that an ineligible candidate would be allowed on the ballot for President of the United States. Oh, btw, Roger Calero, the Nicaraugan citizen and convicted felon was allowed on the ballot in several states and received several thousand votes. Save your breath parasite. Taking the side of obfuscation and mystery in the most important office in the land is tantamount to either extreme stupidity or treason. Only you know which it is.
What does this have to do with Obama? Obama was born in the USA and hence is eligible. The proof of him being born in the USA is overwhelming. He was the first US president to publish his birth certificate. It is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001. The heads of the Department of Health and the Department of Vital Records said that he was born in Hawaii. The governor of Hawaii, a Republican, said that he was born in Hawaii. This witness says that he was born in Hawaii (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece).
Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Hawaii (not in Kenya, as some web sites claim), and she said in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
It is highly unlikely that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961, and Obama has indicated that she didn't. If she did have one, the idea that she would have gone to Kenya or any other country to give birth when she had great hospitals in Hawaii is absurd.
As the Wall Street Journal said: "“Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”
ELLEN,
YOU ARE A BOTT!
ACCEPT THE FACT!
A STUPID ONE AT THAT!
You never discuss the facts or the issues. In this case we were discussing whether Obama has proven that he was born in the USA. He has because he has shown the official birth certificate and the officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it twice, and the governor has too, and there is a witness who recalls being told of his birth and writing home about it (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece). Also, there is no proof, not a shred, that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother said in two separate interviews that Obama was born in Hawaii.
ELLEN,
NO FACTS JUST SPIN
Yep, if it talks like a bott, and reasons like a bott; it's a BOTT!
Barry is a well protected prognosticator, the taxpayers are spending millions to maintain his true to life image, restraining orders, intimidation, prosecution of those trying to legally search for his credentials, all being paid for by the U.S. dime…..
There is no reason to repeal Barry's economic fiascos because he is a usurper and has not complied with the requirements of being tha POTUS, this is easily proven and there is so much allegation with substantial evidence to bring Barry up on charges tha it is literally over whelming. AG devious Eric holder is all that stands between investigating all the charges and obstrustion of justice, Eric is faithfull to his Liege, if Eric fails then Barry will fall.
My daughter was born in Gemany on an American Military base in 1964 while my husban was serving in the military. She was originally issued a German birth certificate even though the birth took place on a US military installation hospital. We had to apply to the American Council and renounce for her any German citizenship and pledge her allegiance to the United States of America in order for us to recieve a US certificate as well as to have her included in my passport.
There was no dual citenship allowed.
John McCain let Obama off the hook durning the presidential campaign because it was Obama and Hillary Clinton who co sponsored a resolution in the US Senate that declared that McCain was natural born. Do you believe that after having done that would McCain would have challenged Obama on a similar issue? I think not. You know how it goes…You scratch my back and I will scratch yours.
B.O. has produced a purported short form "Certification of Live Birth." Whether false or true, the "Certification" is entirely different from the "Long Form Birth Certificate," or "Birth Certificate." The Certification was something issued by the state automatically if some family member filled out a form. The Certification was not legal evidence of birth at the time of B.O.'s birth.
The Birth Certificate, in contrast, would have been issued by the hospital, with the signature of the attending physician. B.O. has NEVER produced one and has fought every court attempt to compel production. Conclusion: it doesn't exist.
Hawaii Birthers, either out of ignorance or deception, confuse the two documents. In addition, Hawaii regulations were changed after B.O. got elected, to allow the Certification to be referred to as a "Birth Certificate." That also gave opportunity for B.O. and his supporters to deceptively claim he has a "Birth Certificate."
First, hospital birth documents are not birth certificates. They are not accepted by the US State Department or the military. Only government birth documents are accepted as birth certificates. Hawaii's Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military. Hawaii's Certification has always been called a birth certificate. Its formal name is Certification, but it falls under the category of birth certificate, and it is accepted as a birth certificate by the State Department. Thousands of people use it every year.
The Certification of Live Birth is a short-form birth certificate, but then most states have now adopted short-form birth certificates. The reason that Obama does not provide his long-form birth certificate is that Hawaii did not send it to him. In 2007, when he asked for his birth certificate, Hawaii sent him the Certification, which is what it sent to everyone since 2001. In addition to the document itself, the officials in Hawaii have twice confirmed the FACTS on the Certification–the fact that he was born in Hawaii and the fact that he was born in 1961–and most recently the governor of Hawii did too.
The allegation that a Certification was issued automatically when a family member filled out a form is NOT true. Hawaii did not then and does not now allow an Hawaiian birth document of any kind to be issued indicating that a person was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's certification says that he was born in Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii have confirmed that fact repeatedly.
Obama has not fought attempts to compel production of his birth certificate. THERE NEVER WAS A LAWSUIT FOR HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. There were lawsuits to stop the election and to stop the Electoral College from voting and to stop the Inauguration. But there never was a lawsuit for the birth certificate. If there were, Obama would simply have shown the Certification of Live Birth, which would have been accepted by any court because it is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii.
Moreover, even in the so-called 'Birther Bill,' the one that would force future candidates for president to prove that they were born in the USA, it calls for the birth certificate of the state, the official birth certificate. The legislation does not require the original birth certificate.
Ellen! Lol!
Seriously no one is taking you serious!
You are a bott!
You never discuss the facts or the issues. You only call names. In this case the discussion is over whether the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate (It is) and over whether the Certification of Live Birth was issued "automatically" when family members requested it (not in 1961 and never with the "born in Hawaii" on it that is on Obama's birth certificate).
ELLEN,
NO ONE BELIEVES THIS BS YOU ARE SPINING!
Once again, you are not discussing facts. You are simply calling names.
ELLEN,
YOU ARE A BOTT!
YOU CAN ONLY GIVE CANNED RESPOSES UNLESS YOUR OPERATOR INPUTS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR DELETES INFORMATION.
I HATE DISAPPOINTING YOU LIKE THIE!
Once again you are not discussing facts. You are calling names. This shows a lack of intelligence. The discussion was over whether Hawaiian certifications of live birth could be issued when family members requested it. The facts are that Hawaii does not and did not then allow a Hawaiian birth document of any kind to be issued that said on it "born in Hawaii" unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's Certification says that he was born in Hawaii, and that is the fact that the officials in Hawaii have confirmed, as has the governor.
ELLEN!
SERIOUSLY! GET SOME FACTS!
I was born in England, my husband was born in Texas, we married and our daughter was born in England in 1957, on what was regarded as technically American soil. It was an American Military Hospital, (Wimpole Park). She could not have a British birth certificate because of the technicality of American soil, nor could she have an American Certificate as there was no State to issue one. She received the long form of Certificate Live Birth, from Dept of Defence, and along with that she became a dual citizen with USA and UK, again because of the technical aspect. At the age of 18 she did NOT have to renounce her British Citizenship, she retains it for life. I also retain mine as I became a naturalized American Citizen on March 4, 1964. From what I understand doing some research, Obama , if he is a dual citizen, will retain it for life with UK, so he is precluded from the highest office in this country. The child born in Germany was not allowed to retain her's as there is no agreement between Germany and America.
Dual Nationality has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. Neither does the citizenship of one or even two parents. What counts is birth in the USA.
Ellen,
I can see that James has upgraded your program!
Such a shame he could not give you a actual brain!
You never discuss the facts or the issues. in this case the issue is over whether dual nationality can affect Natural Born Citizen status. It does not affect Natural Born Citizen status because that would mean that a foreign law could make a child who was born in the USA ineligible to be president. We cannot and do not allow foreign laws to have that much power.
JUST BS ELLEN!
Once again, you are not discussing the facts. The facts are that dual nationality has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. If it did, it would mean that we allowed the existence of a foreign law to decide whether a US-born citizen is eligible to be president.
ELLEN YOU ARE A BOTT!
JUST FULL OF B/S!
According to the lawsuits brought before the SCOTUS, John McCain was likewise "ineligible" to serve as President, even though the Congress vetted and approved his candidacy under The Naturalization Act of 1790. However, this Act was superseded by The Naturalization Act of 1795, which repealed the Act of 1790 and replaced it with the same clause as that of 1790, except the words "natural born" were deleted and have never been replaced by Congress. The 1795 Act reads as follows: "The children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States shall be considered as citizens of the United States, thus repealing the words "natural born" from that level of citizenship. This is not possible to change without a constitutional amendment. McCain was born in Panama, apparently at a non-military hospital, according to the legal briefs. I'm sure other Presidents in our history have had questionable birthrights, but this current imposter is a danger to our Republic and our Constitution. May he be thrown out on his ear!
Wow! Chris Matthews sure gets his panties in a twist when he thinks someone is talking bad about his boyfriend, the man who sends tingles up his leg.
Why should anyone take Zeroboy's word for it? He hasn't spoken a word of truth since he started his POTUS campain!
Where's the birth cirtificate?
obummber will never produce his birth certificate because he has something to hide.
People were nuts to vote for him, if they had really listened to what he wanted to do.
Wish they would hurry up and find the truth about obummer's eligibility to be president.
I don't think he is, but that's my opinion.
He is ruining this country.
I wish they would get this resolved before the end gets here. I know one thing….Obama is looking pretty old and getting gray. Those vacations must be taking a toll.
You know, the really sad thing about this is the fact that, if Obama came out and publicly announced he was not a "natural born" citizen, in fact, he wasn't actually at citizen at all, I don't think Congress or the courts would do squat about it. They would begin arguing about what the meaning of is .. is, and the media would say that it doesn't really matter. The Constitution has become a cafeteria menu .. pick the things you like and ignore the rest. Getting this Muslim traitor out of the White House is the only thing that will save our country.
I'm very much lost right now. I wonder how anyone can be a citizan of two countries at once. Thats a new one on me and I have been on earth 87 yezars. If you are a American that means you are American and not of another country. I guess I was out sick or something the day they taught that in school. So I been in a fog for years.
Let me get something straight from the get go, I CAN NOT STAND THIS MORON USURPER and HIS LIES, and I know HE is hiding lots of his past from the American public, "BUT," I believe none of this will ever come out unless HE does not do what HIS handlers want HIM to do. HE will do what HE is told because HE likes all the attention and POMP just like HIS WIFE does.
Now think about this for a moment. 28 U.S.C. section 3002 states that, "the United States is a CORPORATION." Now, ask yourself, does one have to be a U.S. citizen to be president of a CORPORATION? The answer is NO! Obama/Soetoro is the elected president the U.S. CORPORATION and this FACT is what HIS handlers do not want the American public to know and understand! If this comes out, then these powerful power brokers behind the scenes will be done. These very people who have been running this country for at least the last 80years will be done, and THEY will not let that happen.
Until the American sheeple start to ask questions and DEMAND the answers, this bullshit will just continue to go on, and the power brokers will just continue to give us THEIR candidates and solutions to the problems THEY created to enslave us.
What needs to happen in America is a nation wide STRIKE demanding these elected representatives to answer the questions as to who they really work for, and OUR PLIGHT.
Of course that will never happen the way Americans are so in love with MONEY, they will cut the throats of their neighbors in order for THEM and THEIR family to get ahead. This is why American deserves everything we are getting now and in the future, because WE are the enemy.
UNITED STATES IS A REPUBLIC
Jim: You are correct the United States of America is a Republic, BUT, Thanks to some very smart manuvering with the laws that created the Federal Reserve Bank (privately owned by the way) the United States of America also became a corporation–in REALITY there are TWO United States of America–and "We the People" are being governed by the CORPORATION, and it's officers!!! Just like any Corporation is, except that WE aren't even considered stock holders, just slave employees!! When are the people going to get thier collective heads OUT OF THEIR ASS?????!!
Indeed, we are our own worst enemy. Ignorance is not bliss .. and apathy is a killer of the soul.
PART 2: One tells us what we need to know and the other (the one they've shown) does NOT. When Obama himself has worked this hard at NOT showing the Certificate, for some inexplicable reason, that doesn't tell some people that he's covering up his past. When a young man refuses to show his driver's license in a liquor store, it's likely that he's UNDER AGE for purchasing alcoholic beverages, and when a President REFUSES to show his actual long form birth certificate — when THAT ACT ALONE would settle all questions — THERE IS LIKELY A REASON WHY, and that reason is likely that he would be forced to vacate the most powerful position in the world. And given what we know his agenda now to be, that is not something a socialist progressive is likely to do, at least without being forced to do it. The stage is set. Impeachment? About about ARREST?
Obama has shown the official birth certificate. The long-form birth certificate is not sent out anymore. That is not an inexplicable reason. That is a perfectly logical reason. Hawaii sent Obama the Certification of Live Birth; that is what he posted and showed. Obama has not refused to show his original birth certificate. He has shown the one that he was sent. And, the officials in Hawaii have twice confirmed the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.
LOL! BOTT! ELLEN! JAMES!
JUST MORE OF THE SAME OLD PROGRAMMED CANNED RESPONSES FROM YOU.
NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY!
ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVE EXPOSED YOU FOR WHAT YOU TRULY ARE!
Once again you are simply calling names. It does not make them any more effective if you use all caps. The discussion was over whether the official birth certificate of Hawaii provides sufficient proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. It does because it is the official birth certificate and because it says "born in Hawaii" and Hawaii did not allow birth documents to be issued that said "born in Hawaii" unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. And the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii was confirmed by the officials and the governor of Hawaii. These are the facts.
ELLEN!
WHERE IS THE FACTS?
The facts are that the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate and that Hawaii does not allow it or any birth document to be issued that says that someone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the person was born in Hawaii. Obama's says that he was born in Hawaii, and that is the fact that the officials in Hawaii confirmed twice. First they said that there was an original birth certificate in the file, which is significant because at that time Hawaii did not allow a birth certificate from outside of Hawaii (either another state or a foreign country) to be filed in Hawaii. The second time they said that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.
HE OBOMA , while a studentat occidental colledge applied for and recieved financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from fullbright foundation scholarship program. to qualify the person must claim foreign citizenship which he did under the name Barry Sorento. this document provides the smoking gun many oboma detractors have been seeking. Americans for Freedom of Information has released copies of his transcripts from occedintial colledge.Get a copy from them.
The definitive proof of birth in Hawaii is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. That is the Certification of Live Birth. There is a difference between the Certificate–which is the long form and Obama's original birth certificate–and the Certification. The main difference is that the short-form Certification is the OFFICIAL birth certificate. An almost equally important difference is that Hawaii does not send out the long-form Certificate anymore. It has not sent out copies of the Certificate, even to people who were born before the Certification became official, since 2001.
Hawaii sent Obama the Certification in 2007, as it does to everyone. Thousands of people use the Certification every year. In Obama's case, the facts on the Certification were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii. Recently the governor of Hawaii, a Republican, also confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.
ELLEN,
LOOK YOU ARE A BOTT! GET IT?JUST MORE OF THE SAME OLD CANNED RESPONSES!
A POORLY PROGRAMMED BOTT AT THAT!
Once again you are simply calling names. It does not make them any more effective if you use all caps.
ELLEN,
YOU JUST NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT IS ALL!
The facts are that the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate and that Hawaii does not allow it or any birth document to be issued that says that someone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the person was born in Hawaii. Obama's says that he was born in Hawaii, and that is the fact that the officials in Hawaii confirmed twice. First they said that there was an original birth certificate in the file, which is significant because at that time Hawaii did not allow a birth certificate from outside of Hawaii (either another state or a foreign country) to be filed in Hawaii. The second time they said that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. These are the facts.
You never discuss the facts or the issues. In this case the discussion is over whether or not Obama said that he was born in Kenya. He did not. The video is forged.
Ellen why dont you just go to hell and save your breath you anti-constitutional fool. The man is actively hiding ALL of his records, spent $2 million in campaign donations doing it and now is using the DOJ to fight the release of what should be PUBLIC records. He ran for the MOST PUBLIC of all offices in this republic. Take your treasonous bile somewhere else, no one is interested in playing the useful idiot to these marxist bastards, you are doing a fine job all by yourself
"no one is interested"
Hm, and I thought it was only HC who thought he/she spoke for everyone here.
I admire your persistence, Ellen, though for most folks here I think evidence is irrelevant.
JAMES,
LOL! WHAT EVIDENCE?
THE TWO OF YOU ARE TRUE COMMEDIANS & YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!
JUST STUPID THE BOTH OF YOU!
Obama is not hiding anything. The $2 million you refer to (where did you get that figure from) was mainly spent fighting lawsuits that tried to stop the election, tried to stop the Electoral College from voting or tried to stop the Congress from certifying the election (which it did, UNANIMOUSLY).
His parents' marriage license, his kindergarten records, his college records and his graduate school records are not and should not be PUBLIC records. No president has ever released detailed transcripts or for that matter his parents' marriage license. IF there were lawsuits asking for these documents, Obama should and would fight them.
But there were no such lawsuits and are none. All the lawsuits after the election asked that a court declare that Obama is not eligible to be president. They did not ask that Obama provide those documents to the court. They argued that because Obama has not shown those documents, he is not eligible to be president.
Of all the documents the one that is most relevant to his eligibility is his birth certificate. THIS DOCUMENT HE HAS NOT HIDDEN. Obama has posted it and showed the physical copy of it to both FactCheck and Politifact. It is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed repeatedly by the two officials of the department of health and department of vital records of Hawaii and most recently by the governor of Hawaii.
It is not treason to cite the facts. It is stupidity to ignore them.
Ellen..Factcheck is funded by the Annenberg Public Policy Center. You do know what that is don't you? And WHO worked for them?
ELLEN,
GET EDUCATED ON THE ISSUES FIRST! OK?
NO ONE IS BUYING THIS B/S!
Once again, you are not discussing the facts. The facts are that Obama has posted the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on that document repeatedly.
Oh Please, you realy need to do more research. By the way according to Obama 1) he was born in Hawaii, ) He was born in Kenya and 3) he was born out of the March on Selma Alabama. This man seems to be a little confuseed don’t you think, or is he lyiing?
By the way, the Marc on Selma was in 1965, four years after the actual birth of Obama.
Obamas own lawyer admits that his birth certificate was a forgery.
I remember having to memorize those Naturalization / Citizenship Charts at the Immigration Academy in Glynco, GA. Those charts say that Obama cannot be a citizen because of his mothers age and US residence. This issue is getting old. VOTE HIM OUT AND LET THE STATES CHARGE HIM WITH FRAUD. An ex president is not protected by Congress from criminal charges.