Generally speaking, I tend to ignore what the George Soros “Media Matters” smear machine publishes.
Refuting their lies about me and my company would be a full-time job.
But, knowing the news media’s propensity for shallow research into the eligibility issue, I thought it was important for someone to challenge Media Matters’ recent “Myths and Falsehoods: Birther Edition.”
Barack Obama has released his birth certificate: An easy way to prove that would be to simply show it. Instead, what Media Matters does is to hype the digital short-form document we’ve all seen – the “Certification of Live Birth,” which would likely not have been sufficient proof to get the young Obama signed up in Little League, if he had been living in Hawaii rather than Indonesia at the time of his eligibility for competitive sports. This is a document that Hawaii has routinely handed out to register births occurring elsewhere, even out of the country, on the basis of an affidavit filed by a parent or grandparent. If this is “the original birth certificate,” as claimed by FactCheck.org, Obama has more eligibility problems than most people realize. It is hardly the contemporaneous eyewitness document one would expect to prove constitutional eligibility for the highest office in America. Media Matters then quotes former Hawaii health department Director Chiyome Fukino as asserting she has seen the original “vital records” and proclaiming Obama to be a “natural-born American citizen,” despite her lack of bona fides as a constitutional authority.
Obama’s grandmother never said Obama was born in Kenya: In a recorded interview Oct. 16, 2008, Sarah Hussein Obama does indeed seem to suggest he was. While it is true her translators insist repeatedly that she was mistaken, insisting he was born in Hawaii, the grandmother herself is clearly heard to say “Mombasa.” It’s hardly conclusive evidence of anything, but it is of some interest given the highly unlikely scenario that the grandmother traveled to Hawaii to witness the birth of a grandson to an American woman, when her financially struggling son, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., had already produced offspring with a Kenyan wife.
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The birth certificate is fake they called blacks negero back in 1961
Hawaii DOES issue vault copies of birth certificates, even from the 1960s, and I have seen at least 2 of them. Moreover, in 2008 I tracked down an American missionary couple in Kenya who had lived there and elsewhere in Africa for more than 2 decades. I asked them what they knew of Obama's birth and they said it was accepted throughout the country that Obama was born in Kenya and then they cautioned me to be careful, as digging into his past was 'unhealthy'. There is not a single sane and plausible reason for spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep hidden such mundane documents as a birth certificate or college records – UNLESS one has something dire to hide. Someone, Trump or other, MUST bring this issue to a head and force resolution. We have a right to the information, a need to know NOW.
You have seen two ALLEGED copies of birth certificates from the 1960s issued recently, meaning after the officials in Hawaii stated in a the Hawaii newspaper that they no longer issue them. If you look closely at those alleged recent birth certificates, you will see that they are radically different from each other. One is on security paper. The other isn't. One has an alleged signature by the current official and a recent date. The other has no signature and no date.
IF the one with the signature were accurate, the birther site that posted it could have called up the official and asked him whether or not he signed any recent official copies of old birth certificates in March, or whatever month was on the alleged recent copy. But, oddly, the birther site that posted the alleged recent documents did not call the official. Wonder why not?
And, then of course, IF the allegation that you can currently get copies of original birth certificates were actually true, then it would be possible for anyone in Hawaii to go and get one right now. The birther site that posted the alleged recent copies of old birth certificates could run an ad in the local newspapers saying: "It is possible to get copies of original birth certificates, so if you would like to see your original, go down to the nearest DOH office and ask for one–and by the way, tell us about it." But there has not been any such ad, and birther sites would not dare to run one.
It should also be obvious that if the officials in Hawaii announced in the newspapers that you cannot get copies of the original birth certificate, and have not been able to do so since 2001, then anyone who had gotten originals after 2001 or clerks who issued originals after 2001 would write and call thje newspaper saying "this is wrong; you can get the originals now, if you try"—and the newspaper would have to run a correction, but nothing like that happened.
Re people in Kenya thinking that Obama was born in Kenya. Sure, some of them have become birthers like some of the people in the USA have. But there have been no official documents of any kind found showing that Obama was born in Kenya (except for obvious forgeries, one by a guy who claimed to have gone to Kenya and gotten the certificate, but never even showed evidence that he had gone to Kenya). And, IF a child were born in Kenya, she or he would have needed either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be added to his mother's US passport to get from Kenya to the USA, and no such document nor the application for it (which would exist in the filers of applications for visad or for passport changes in Kenya in 1961) has been found.
And there were notices in the Hawaii newspapers of Obama's birth in 1961, and these were not ads (the Hawaii papers did not run birth notice ads in those days). The papers only published the notices sent to them by the Hawaii government, which only sent the notices for births that had occurred in Hawaii. And the Hawaii government could not have been fooled by claims of births at home because in those cases, it required signed witness statements from the doctor or midwife or, failing that, another witness–and in the latter case there was a delay of a month or so. AND there was no delay in Obama's case. The birth notice appeared in the newspapers about ten days after the birth.
THE "hundreds of thousands in legal fees" is a birther creation, and a stupid one because it only costs about $300 a case to file documents that ask the court to throw out the case, which is what happened in all the birther cases civil cases. Moreover, there was never a birther case JUST for the birth certificate. Not one. And Obama has every right not to show his college records, since there is no law that says that he has to and since no president has shown detailed college records (a few showed grade-point averages). Actually, we do not have a right to either a president's or a candidate's college records. There is no law that says that they must be disclosed (and Trump certainly has not shown his). But, if the Republican candidate in the next election shows her or his records, Obama is likely to do so too.
There are literally thousands of Americans living and working in Kenya and hundreds of reporters from the US and from scores of other countries around the world, and none of them, nor even the ones who used to live in Kenya and now live elsewhere, have ever written or said that they had found records showing that Obama's mother was in Kenya in 1961 or that the Kenyan government has sealed such records.
Hi Ellen, I don't want any collage records except how he paid for it, you did come through with newspaper thing last week sort of. Do you have proof how he paid for all that fine education he says he has?
Also there is new or renewed information on the true identity of the father, It just never ends, does it? Also some that he ran over with the bus in 2008 are healed. The 2012 election could be more of a reality show than a election. Ellen Donald Trump is a idiot, that is a lot from me cause I hate name calling, but he is and only going to be a circus act for a couple of months. The man can't release is financial dealings because he owe more money than most of the states.
Ellen-Your defense of Obama is nice, but you really should not have to defend him at all. All of this could be cleared up if he was willing to share his information. This entire situation is like Saddam not allowing inspectors to review his sites, whether or not he had WMD's, the assumption were he did and was hiding something. Turned out it was false, but what happened to the man? Is Obama playing with this situation in like manner? Why not be straight up and honest if there is nothing to hide.
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii. That is the one that Hawaii sent to him. It is the only one that Hawaii sends to anyone. It is the official birth certificate, so it is the right one to show, and it is also the only one that he CAN show, since Hawaii does not send out the original anymore.
His father was a drunk and his Mother, GOD knows what, produced then abandoned him. So here we have a SOB that walks on his tip toes ( watch him come down the stairs of air force one ). Not a leader of men.
Any way you cut it there are significant unknown facts that are not supplied by repartition and assertions. At this time the evidence does not support a Kenyan birth due to conflicting information. It does not completely rule it out, either. What is the most outstanding in all of this is that Obama has been accepted at face value,. as is usually the case with a con artist. The problem is with us rather than Obama because we like his song and dance without any due diligence to cross check his references The Organization has a vested interest in keeping us in the dark so it has used every trick of the trade to keep us from asking those embarrassing questions he cannot answer without exposing his scam. It time we demand those answers which is our right to know.
Exactly. HE works for us, the people. If anyone of us lied on our application and our employer discovered the falsehoods, we would be fired on the spot. I think we should be able to do the same to him and the czars and the whole lot. I must add that he didn't fool me at all. I saw through the rhetoric and fictitious promises knowing it looks like a snake, it IS a snake.
Why should I?
LOL Why should I?
The only way to resolve Obama's status at birth is to have an investigative agency like a congressional committee subpoena Obama's DNA and vital records.
As the congressional RINOs won't do that, they probably won't investigate his status as an enemy agent, either.
Without exposing Obama's past, he will be re-elected in 2012, and we will lose our Republic because of gutless RINOs who won't do their constitutional duty.
May they burn in Hell.
You have every right to call your House member and US Senators and the members of all the relevant Congressional committees and sub-committees and ask them to launch investigations. And they will laugh at you because they aren't likely to investigate whether 2+2=4 either. Obama was in fact born in Hawaii as his official birth certificate from Hawaii, the confirmation of three officials in Hawaii, the notices in the 1961 Hawaii newspapers and the absence of a US visa or change to Obama's mother's passport to include Obama in 1961 (either of which would have had to have been applied for in Kenya or any other foreign country) all show.
In about a month we will be asking Trump, where is the evidence that your private investigators have found, and he won't have anything.
Hey Ellen-I was able to have the birth of my dog posted in the local paper. I'm sure you have heard about dogs getting college degrees also. Point is that many people can be duped by others with data.
In Hawaii in 1961 birth notices in the newspapers came ONLY from the government. The newspapers did not run birth notice ads in those days. The notices came from the government, which sent them out only for births in Hawaii, and the government could not have been fooled buy a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it demanded witness statements.
Exactly, Donald Trump is and will not find anything. If he is even looking. Ellen, Barry was born in Hawaii. This is true. But what is on the original that he does not want us to see? The whole Birth Certification is what they want to discuss and they have gotten what they want. Something happen between 2007 and 2008 with and about this "Certification of Live Birth" that has been documented but now is not available. The trail is there but it leads to a dead end. I am sure some good researcher will find out sooner or later. I wish it were to be me but the chances are slim. I know some are on this trail as of bout a week ago. It may just another dead end. Here is what I think (NOTE I say THINK). Obama SR was duped into believing he was the father or he married Barry's Mother to try and stay in this country and was never a marrage for love it was just a good alibi for both parties and he did not know she was with child when he agree, he just want to stay or improve his chances of being selected to attend a school of higher education. Ellen I always said that he could end this with just releasing the original, but he will not and this issues is never going away because he can't or all the world will be shown another lie this man spoken. I did not say he was not born in Hawaii. I truly believe he was but a mixed race child in the 1960's that was not as welcome as it is today. That is why his mother went off to collage so fast after the birth to a location she was not know. I old always have the advantage of living in times that some people can only speculate about. I know the 1960's and from what I have read from your posts, you do not. Then Obama SR went off to Higher Education. I think he was just a scape goat for a very young naive pregnant teenage girl who mother and father could tell a very interesting story if they were still around. It will as I suspect be just another lie by a man whom has a well document history of lies.
I personally do not care where he was born, although I'd bet it was Kenya. However, I do believe that because of the Biblical first-born blood covenant between Eve, Cain, and Lucifer, he will be the right Marxist(Anti-Christ) over the real "Israel" by the seed of Joseph(Gen. 48:16) this time, unlike the Teddy Roosevelts, Wilson's, FDR's, Carter's etc. etc. etc.! Irony: The first born will be last and the last born will be first to be resurrected?
Re: "Obama’s grandmother never said Obama was born in Kenya: In a recorded interview Oct. 16, 2008, Sarah Hussein Obama does indeed seem to suggest he was. While it is true her translators insist repeatedly that she was mistaken, insisting he was born in Hawaii, the grandmother herself is clearly heard to say “Mombasa."
A careful review of the tape shows that at no time is there a female voice saying "Mombassa." And, in another interview, the Kenyan grandmother (step grandmother actually) said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Re: "Barack Obama has released his birth certificate: An easy way to prove that would be to simply show it. Instead, what Media Matters does is to hype the digital short-form document we’ve all seen – the “Certification of Live Birth,” which would likely not have been sufficient proof to get the young Obama signed up in Little League.
Answer: The digital short-form document, the Certification of Live Birth, is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. It is used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year. It is digital because it is supposed to be digital, and it is short-form because it is supposed to be short-form. And, the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly said in the Hawaii newspapers (where if they were wrong, there would be demands for corrections) that the short-form birth certificate is the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001. And in any case, it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military.
I wish you would stop using this statement:::::::Re: "Barack Obama has released his birth certificate: It is a CERTIFICATION it is not a CERTIFICATE. They are two different things and it is even defined on the website of the Government of Hawaii. Or was until I wrote this. The Dictionary also states the correct definition of these two words. So call it what it is.
I meant this statement not the one I put in the last post:::Certification of Live Birth, is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
What part of "the Certification is the official birth certificate" can't you grasp? So, Hawaii has a fancy name for its birth certificate. Hawaii calls its birth certificate a Certification. But it is a birth certificate. Thousands of people use it every year for their drivers licenses in Hawaii, and thousands more use it to get their US passports.
Different scanners. The detailed image shown on the FactCheck site was done with a digital camera. The ink-stamped signaure is normal IF there had been anything wrong with any of the images, the CONSERVATIVE Attorney General of Hawaii would have done something.
Besides, it is not the image that counts or even the document, it is the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. That was confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii. It is also confirmed by the notices in the Hawaii newspapers, which were not ads but only the publication of notices from the Hawaii government–which did not send them out for births outside of Hawaii, and which could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth outside of a hospital (because in those cases it insisted on witnesses). AND there is the absence of an application for a US visa or an application to change his mother's passport to include him. Either of those would have been required if Obama had been born in Kenya or any other country than the USA (except perhaps Mexico or Canada, but Hawaii does not have a border with them).
Re: "The ink-stamped signaure is normal IF there had been anything wrong with any of the images, the CONSERVATIVE Attorney General of Hawaii would have done something."
That should read: The ink-stamped signature is normal. IF there had been anything wrong with any of the images, the CONSERVATIVE Attorney General of Hawaii would have done something.
Re: "This is a document that Hawaii has routinely handed out to register births occurring elsewhere, even out of the country, on the basis of an affidavit filed by a parent or grandparent."
Answer: You have often repeated this discredited story. In 1961, when Obama was born Hawaii did not issue birth certificates to people born outside of Hawaii. That was not allowed until 1982. More importantly, it did not then or now allow a birth certificate with the words "born in Honolulu" to be issued unless there was proof that the child was born in Honolulu. Obama's says on it that he was born in Honolulu, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly said (in writing at at a time when a Conservative Republican was the attorney general) that both the official and original birth certificates VERIFY that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Moreover, Obama's grandmother could not have obtained a birth certificate with a Hawaii place of birtyh on it with an affidavit. Hawaii officials demanded proof–witness statements–whenever there were claims of birth outside of a hospital. And we know that Obama was born in a hospital, Kapiolani, due to the statements of the witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii and writing home about it, anf by the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle.
Moreover, there were the notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, and these were not ads but were notices sent by the government of Hawaii, which only sent them out for births in Hawaii, and which demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
Moreover :::Really never never never were any of these things you are blathering on about could possibly happen. Really. Are you sure that 100 percent of the time all laws and regulations are followed. That would be naive.
Thank you for your respectful response,
As for your blathering
I shall remember that and I am on your side and believe he was born in Hawaii. so I guess As blathering is not allowed now because a State official states that the original is not SENT out, that is the key word my friend SENT out. Go to the office and request a copy of the original and you shall receive it. The State would not answer my question I asked them directly if that was possible, they use the same wording SENT OUT. My guess is that is the talking point we are allowed to use. Going to a office at the state and receiving something means it does not have to be SENT OUT.
Note to self:::This is now a no blathering zone, boy it is going to get real quiet now.
who the hell cares?
I do and everyone should care if he is not whom he says he is. It would only be another lie to document.
But that is just me blathering on some obscure website that does not mean squat to anything but you really seem to take way to seriously for just being a person that wants facts. This is a web site and not the real world. lighten up. Or is this your job/mission in life, if it is I sense a little frustration in your responses these days.
Why should I?
Re: "Go to the office and request a copy of the original and you shall receive it."
That is not true either. If it were true, you or anyone (particularly a birther site) could post this ad in the Hawaii newspapers:
"The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly said that they no longer issue original long-form birth certificates and that they stopped doing so in 2001. We now know (based on two birth certificates sent to professional birther sites by birthers) that this is either a direct lie or, to be polite, an error. We know that you can get your long-form birth certificate by just going to the Department of Health office and asking for it. So, go ahead and do it–and by all means tell us how it comes out."
Why will such an ad never be run?
Re Obama's father. Curiosity is a good thing, but as far as a president's qualifications or policies are concerned, few people believe that it matters. If John McCain's actual father were another good friend of his mother and not the John McCain senior, the senator would still be just who he is, and the same for all presidents. Given that we have had 44 different presidents the odds are actually rather good that one or more of them was the love child of someone other than the stated father. But who cares?
You apparently care about Obama's father. Okay, but you may care about whether there are alien bodies stored in New Mexico or whether or not Dolly Madison baked cookies.
As for a father not being the real father, if in fact it were true, it would not be a lie. It would be what his mother told him, which is actually the only way that the vast majority of us know who is our father (the few exceptions are the ones who have had DNA tests). And, in fact, the only way to know who really was Obama's father is to conduct DNA tests on him and to dig up his father's remains and to test them. Since that is extremely unlikely to happen, there isn't going to be a definitive answer to your question, which makes it like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. And that is blather.
Oh, for the love of God. It makes no difference WHERE he was born. He admits his father was Kenyan and as such, a BRITISH citizen. Therefore, Obama Jr. was a BRITISH citizen. His mother was too young to pass U.S. citizenship to him. And, even if she could have, that would have made him a DUAL citizen. No one with DUAL CITIZENSHIP may serve as POTUS! Period.
Who told you that? It is wrong. In fact, Thomas Jefferson was a dual national when he was president, having been made a full citizen (not just honorary, with full voting rights and the right to run for office) of France by the French legislature during the French Revolution.
The original meaning of Natural Born in America (not Switzerland) referred simply to citizenship due to the place of birth. There was no mention of the parents or of dual nationality. If even one member of the US Congress believed your theory about dual nationality or that the citizenship of a parent affected Natural Born Citizen status the vote to confirm Obama would not have been unanimous (all 535 members of the House and Senate). But it was UNANIMOUS.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
I get it he was born in Hawaii, but some of your assumptions are not based in fact. They because that was required at the time it is proof it is valid for every single time they were followed. See here is an example::::::So, both the Hawaii regulations and the US passport regulations would have had to have been violated.
Well indeed some times that has happen in the 200 years of the history of this country.
besides you did not respond to my question. You just spewed your generic blather about. If this happen then some stupid regulation or law was breached. Laws are broken everyday. You really got the birth certificate on the brain girl. Respond in kind not return blather. See my history when I blather I put a disclosure statement in Like "I don't know but this is what I am thinking" Then you respond like this is some wikipedabarry true history. Its a frickin website and a place to express your thought.
I like my new name thanks. It fits me well don't you think.
Re name: YES.
Laws are often broken, but this is meaningless as far as the issue of Obama's birth location is concerned. There would have to be an enormous number of unlikely events to occur, including two sets of successful illegal events for Obama to have been born in any other country than in the USA and in any other place than Hawaii.
While it is a fact that Hawaii demanded proof. It is possible, as you said, that an exception could have been made–perhaps due to bribery. And the same for the requirement of a visa or a passport. Again, an exception could have been made. But the odds of either occurring are low, and the odds of both of them occurring are Very low. And the odds of both of them occurring and there being a witness who recalls being told of his birth and writing home about it are even more low–and so forth.
First, the Certification of Live Birth is a birth certificate. In fact, it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. Thousands of people use it to get their US passports every year.
Second, Hawaii does not now and never has allowed a birth certificate or a birth document of any kind to be issued that says on it "born in Honolulu" unless there was proof that the child was born in Honolulu. Obama's birth certificate says on it "born in Honolulu," and that is the fact that THREE Republican officials have repeatedly confirmed.
And, there were notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. And these were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth announcement ads in 1961. They only published the birth notices sent to them by the Hawaii government, which sent them out only for births in Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii. And the Hawaii government could be fooled by a claim of a birth outside of a hospital because in those cases it demanded witness statements.