Contemporary opinion, including that of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, says a state’s right to secede died with the hundreds of thousands of bloodied victims of the Civil War and that the sentiment behind the dozens of petitions on the White House website seeking permission for most of the 50 individual governments to leave the union will be fruitless.
But historians would note that Thomas Jefferson, a “pole star among political philosophers because he based his politics on the eternal, self-evident, fundamental truths that all men are created free and equal and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inherent and inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” believed states have a right to leave the U.S.
In a letter marked “not intended for the public eye,” Jefferson wrote that states “should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers.”
He continued, “Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation.”
Read more at WND. By Bob Unruh.
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I have been following the argument of secession of states from the Union. All I hear is the argument that we will be in such a better position if we will remain united with each other. I do not feel that way; first and foremost, after I am fed and have housing, my want of liberty, which is God given and cannot be taken away from man by man, no way can I see liberty though the Union of America citizens when one group of American citizens use their might to force all of America to be a part of said Union. If I wish to withdraw from a Union of America citizens who seek to have a government in direct opposition to life, liberty and happiness, I have the God given right to secede by myself or with others of the same feelings without being brow beaten by fellow citizens.
What you said was for sure the way it was intended to be. However after Abraham Lincoln came along, that ended when he took British Gold to WIN the Civil War for the UNION, in more ways then one. Anyone wonder WHY Unions are such a BIG Thing in the North?
The states do not want to secede from each other. Just from DC. Big differance. So seceding is illegal. What has the boons adminstration ever done thae was in anyway legal. IE the election. Total voter fraud. Anyone that thinks or knows this was an illegal election and the boon was not duly elected should refrain from sending anymore tax money to the illegal government in DC.
I have to agree with you. All or Any Part of this Election was Rigged from the Start, and Obama was going to be the Winner no matter who got voted for. So Succession would as well be Illegal. However, each state has the Authority resting with the Governor, to Write WARTIME Executive Orders that can and will Preserve the State from Federal activities and Troops. It is HIGHLEY Suggested that many get Petitions to their Governors to pass some kind of War Time Executive Order that will Protect your state from the FED Bankers and or Troops. But many Governors wont want to do anything because they would be CUT OFF from the FED Money Supply if they close their borders to the FED Government.
Those words are Sad aren’t They? Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, says a state’s right to secede died with the hundreds of thousands of bloodied victims of the Civil War and that the sentiment behind the dozens of petitions on the White House website seeking permission for most of the 50 individual governments to leave the union will be fruitless.
I have been telling people for a long time now that the FEDERA RESERVE ACT, WAS A CONTRACT. US law provides limitless Contracting. However, because of the CONTRACT WITH AMERICA, the FED could care less about such a trivial thing as sussession. When Abraham lincoln took British Gold to Win the war for the Bankers, thenwhen Woodrow Wilson Sold Out America for a little thing like Greed. Then the final shot to the Head was after the US Gov. failed to repay the loan from the Bankers, from 1913 all the way to I believe it was 1942 or 43 what the US went bankrupt and could not pay the “National Debt”( The loan). That is when the US became Servant of the Bankers, and the Bankers Installed their Own Constitution, called US Code and Uniform Commercial Code, and kept the part of the Constitution called Maritime law to use on the States, and the rest of the constitution to use for themselves whenever they felt threatened or just needed a shelter of sorts from prosecution. The Bankers would have to be charged with Racketering, and have their assets seized, to free the country from their bondage. Then all the contracts can be Nullified and the funds can be reversed and given back to the rightful share holders.
http://fracontract.wordpress.com/contract-with-america/
That is true, what it says.
However may I remind ya’ll of a few things.
1-This article concerning secession was ADDED under duress right after Lincoln’s War. It was forced upon the Southern States that seceded through “Reconstruction”.
2-The 14th Amendment was also forced on the Southern States, that they vote to approve it in order their Confederate soldiers and politicians be allowed citizenship with the right to vote again, as well as preparing for the future withdrawl of Yankee troops. (The 14th A gives the absolute authority of the states to federal government. This INCLUDES secession petitions and the rights thereof.)
3-Just because something is in a state Constitution does not mean it can’t be reversed. All it takes is a vote.
4-What irony; the states of Texas, Virgina, New York and Rhode Island originally had the right of secession included in their State Constitutions. It was included at the time of their acceptance into the union. This begs the question; Why weren’t those State included rights int heir constitutions acknowledged or questioned by the federal government at the time of their statehood? We see that what is in the State Constitutions means NOTHING when compared to the tyrannical dictates of the federal government!
5-Consider the Declaration of Independence. It stated the rights of the people and their respective states in seceding from Great Britain. Under British Law secession wasn’t legal, but it still happened and the statements prove the written intent.
6-The rights of secession comes from “Natural Law”, which is also, “The Law’s of Nature and of Nature’s God”. This was covered by many philosophers but John Locke was the last to fully define it to its’ logical conclusions. Matter of fact the DoI is based upon the writings of John Locke, his philosophy. Also note that “Free Agency, Self-Determination, Sovereignty are all parts of Natural Law, which also means that no man made can over-ride them. We see the results of man trying to accomplish when WARS breaks out concerning people trying to peacefully exercise their Natural Rights when another side, usually the one in power opposes them. In other words, WAR is a NATURAL consequence of MAN’S disobedience to God and Nature and the Rights granted man by both!
7-ALL Federal Law applying to the South since 1865 is NULL and VOID! It could also be considered NULL and Void in the North IF they chuse to once again follow the US Constitution as originally intended. This also means that secession would be an accepted Natural Right recognized by ALL parts of the government.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Yes, Under Duress for sure, so Technically speaking the Rights were succeessfully reserved, but the following contract, or FEDeral Reserve Act, was AFTER that period of History, and the Under Duress part went out with the Tax Acts of the FED Government of US Republics from the late 1940′s. Most everyone got Birth Certificates provided by the FED. When you agreed to the document by a signature, and the Document is Codded with the FORM Number of FED Government, YOU AGREED to their Terms, and THEN and Only Then should you have written Without Prejudice UCC 1-207 and your signature, and you Successfully Reserved your Rights for THAT CONTRACT ALONE.
By Filing said Statement with the Clerk of Courts of Your Perspective US, State, County, then you have made it known without all the extra text on Contracts, then can you sign With Reservation of All Rights, with a Signature Alone.
And you still might have to have a Stamp like a Notary Public
Technically speaking, No one alive today in this country except a select few, and the Bankers, have RESERVED Their Constitutional Rights. Under the Uniform Commercial Code which became the New Constitution after the late 1940′s, the only way to Secure ones True Constitutional Rights, was to include the following statement on ANY Contract they signed “Without Prejudice UCC-1-207″ to Reserve respectivly, the God Given, or Constitutional Rights from being Usurped by the contract. Read the Doc on the Following URL, it will tell you WHY this is so important. It is a PDF File you can download and read. It is called the UCC Connection by Howard Freeman.
http://fracontract.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ucc_connection.pdf
You guys wanted to claim Lincoln when he could be used as a false proof that the now-republican south isn’t inherently racist, but since that strategy failed, you throw him under the bus faster than you did Michael Steele when the subterfuge of that token hiring failed to convince anyone.
LOL. I threw him under the bus the first time I heard it 31 years ago
I know a recluse group of guys that Reinact the Civil War. And we All Wear GREY. I have known these guys for 40 or so years now. Here is the Flag they Suggest I Fly. http://fracontractdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/florida1861.png
Any body want to Comment on the Flag? Is that the right one for Florida, or the one with 3 stars and 13 stripes?
First and foremost, there is not one man within this country who is willing to give up everything and risk trying to get people to follow them into war. Second, once engaged, do these clowns know how many countries would love to to hit the USA with a first wave Nuclear attack and then land troops. 3rd, not many people are willing to lose their families over this. Also, although I am a Southerner by the Grace of God, I would not fight for Louisiana nor Mississippi. These States as with others are so corrupt I cannot stand either one.
Succession will never happen and neither will a war for independence
I suggested a while back that about the only way to go here is to Ride Out the Storm so to speak, with Several Like Minded others who can also carry a gun, and is willing to Dei for what they have, or let the FED walk away with it all.