Consequential federal jobs require an official birth certificate. However, for Congressman McClintock, an ad in a newspaper is close enough for Barack Obama, even though these can be easily produced by relatives to aid in obtaining citizenship for babies born elsewhere.
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Rep. Tom McClintock is an incompetent _____ . His parents or grandparents could have very easily placed the birth announcement in the papers to claim American citizenship…
I am not saying Pres. Obama is or is not a citizen, but clearly there needs to be an official investigation to confirm this one way or the other.
Please read my comments here and On face book His grandmother id this has there was no witness protection program in 1961 and her daughter and grandson had almost been murdered too in a c\vicious racial hate crime on the banks of the Kansas River in Topeka Ks where he was born. On 9/14/12 the Ste of Ks officials and I spent and hour and 1/2 searching databases for his birth records. i could not be told as He has to get it. But after telling them my mother took her to Forbes air force base hospital and the name of the real dad which I have not published as I got it second hand from my parents. But did know of the gossip frenzy over the interracial couple that turned deadly they said: WE DON:T THINK HE KNOWS! His eligibility is not in doubt, but he has submitted a record that was done soon after birth according to what I know. As I said in my affidavit with the Sec of State of KS, I have no proof or knowledge that he had anything to do with the forgeries, but he may be asked to make a statement about this at sometime in the future. I have shared every one of my face book postings since 7/26/12 and in Daily recaps with campaign and white house. I am not endorsing for office. Please do register and vote your conscience Most of what is out there has little to do with truth or is form any eye witnesses. there are records all over Topeka Ks and in 10/12 his real dad should be attending his 50T reuenion at Topeka HS, but his life and 50 years ago. I have not published the name but have shared it with the justice dept. as the president still may not have known the truth. Enough speculation is out there. Please vote based on political issues and if he or another is the best choice. Millions have been scammed and made over false bios and needs to stop. I, myself was not told the truth and learned from sources after my parents died. I have forgiven them as that is the way things used to be done in this world. Today, we have experts to help tell children as they are old enough to understand things.. remember, his mother dies a witness to three unsolved murders with the prime suspects free to do much harm and if the allegations are true have done so.
Any Democrat – Republican – Independent ought to be outraged after viewing this.
How can one dispute this video without a thorough investigation.
I wonder why Obumbles doesn’t take 5 mintes from touring to release the Hawaii Hosp records and his Selective Service Records – which he has spent tens of thousands in legal fees keeping sealed.
Wake the F Up people!
See link:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff-joe-arpaio-obama-eligibility-investigation-results-live-stream/
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/
“The Judiciary and government agencies comprising the National Security apparatus of the United States including the FBI and the NSA know that obama is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to be President. They also Know that not being a Natural born citizen is a threat to national security. Why he has been allowed to usurp the Office of the Presidency of the United States by our nation’a national security apparatus has yet to be determined.”
“Now, newly discovered evidence proves all three branches of our government are complicit in compromising our national security by allowing the Constitution to be subverted.”
damm straight we need an investigation
It’ll never happen; too many corrupt agencies, politicians; dishonorable all. Never thought this could happen in America.
No the relative could not have placed the announcement. Only the DOH of Hawaii could put birth notices into the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers, which is where Obama’ s birth notices appeared, and as the name indicates (and as the DOH and the newspaper confirm) only the DOH could put notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section. And in 1961 the DOH only sent out notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 it only issued birth certificates to children born in Hawaii.
The Hawaiian birth certificate is a manufactured major distraction to steer people away from the US Constitutional presidential requirement and to smother reasoning. The real issue is the fact that Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II) is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
For those idiots who claim that it only takes one parent citizen to produce a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, I have my equally screwed up version of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is any person born in a country who enters this world through the love tunnel (that’s a vagina, by the way). Any one who is born cesarean section is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, because that’s not the natural way.
Now, sit down for a few minutes and ask yourself: Self – why does the US Constitution require that a US president be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN; but, the requirement for Congress is only a plain vanilla CITIZEN? Barry is a plain vanilla CITIZEN. It takes two citizen parents to procreate a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN on US soil.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth. By doing so it excludes all naturalized citizens. The requirement for Congress is indeed that someone only has to be plain vanilla citizen. That means that it includes people who were naturalized, and there have been several members of Congress who were naturalized. But the Natural Born Citizen requirement excludes those who are naturalized. That is the difference.
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
Think about this. Back in 1961 anyone could apply for a birth certificate. The reason being is because so many were still having babies at home. One of the birth certificates that Obama presented his, grandmother applied for it by signing off on it. If he had been born there his mother would have signed the application because it’s done in the 1st 24 hours.
Many people were born at home, but Obama’ birth certificate says that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital, which by the way did exist in 1961.
The birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 are good confirmation of the existence of a Hawaii birth certificate issued at that time. How so? Because they are NOT advertising. The birth notices appear in the section of the Hawaii newspapers called “Health Bureau Statistics,’ and as the name indicates (and as both the newspaper and the DOH have confirmed), only the DOH could send those notices to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. And the DOH spokesperson has said that in 1961 the DOH only sent out the birth notices when it had issued a birth certificate, and in 1961 Hawaii law only allowed the DOH to issue birth certificates to children born in Hawaii.
Rep. Tom McClintock is also rational in noticing that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country, and he probably knows that very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it did an investigation of the claim that Obama was there, and found that it is false.
But it was part of the fake bio created by family members to protect an eye witnes and possible victim , too of three murders and no witness protection program existed. Hewas n\born in Topeka Ksand needs to go get all the reocrds.!
Are you saying that Obama was born in Topeka? What evidence do you have for that?
Linda,
Give it up! If there is any grain of truth in your comments, your information should be sent to Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse Investigation–the only official LEGAL investigation.
Otherwise, you sound like one of the many OBOT trolls who infest conservative websites for the sole purpose of trying to confuse the issue so no one will understand the truth.
We’re on to you OBOT Linda so you can end your annoying posts.
This site WELCOMES a discussion of the facts and does not discourage people who think that Obama was actually born in Hawaii from posting. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, the National Review and the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona do not believe Sheriff Joe. They believe that the officials of Hawaii of both parties are telling the truth. That is why the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona accepted Hawaii’s confirmation of the birth certificate and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.
The existence of the birth notices for Obama in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers in Hawaii is good confirming evidence to the birth certificate itself, and the confirmations of the officials of both parties, and the Index Data. That is because only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and it only did so for children it had issued birth certificates to, and in 1961 Hawaii was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children who were not born in Hawaii.
The Hawaiian birth certificate is a manufactured major distraction to steer people away from the US Constitutional presidential requirement and to smother reasoning. The real issue is the fact that Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II) is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
For those idiots who claim that it only takes one parent citizen to produce a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, I have my equally screwed up version of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is any person born in a country who enters this world through the love tunnel (that’s a vagina, by the way). Any one who is born cesarean section is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, because that’s not the natural way.
Now, sit down for a few minutes and ask yourself: Self – why does the US Constitution require that a US president be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN; but, the requirement for Congress is only a plain vanilla CITIZEN. Barry is a plain vanilla CITIZEN. It takes two citizen parents to procreate a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN on US soil.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does not even require ONE citizen parent (but Obama’s mother was in fact a US citizen). So Jindal, Rubio, and yes, Obama are all Natural Born Citizens. That is due simply to their place of birth, in the USA. Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent to the papers by t he DOH of Hawaii in 1961 show.
Read the original Constitution, Ellen. This was put in there that both parents were to be natural born citizens because of their influence upon their children. These children could and likely would be raised with foreign ideals not compatible with what the Republic was to be established upon. These natural born parents were not to have lived abroad in the last 14 years as well. They were to have spent the last 14 years within the what was to become the United States. Those who became citizens at the time of the finalizing of the Constitution was to have lived within the United states a period of time as well before their children who were to have been born in the United States could even run for the Office of President.
There is not a word in the Constitution about parents or about their influence on children.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate”, the one with the footprint, uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
I used to like McClintock. I was even for him for California governor. I wrote to McClintock about o’bama’s FAKE birth certificate some while ago (Mcclintock isn’t far from where Iive). He gave me the usual GARBAGE about how officials vetted him.
McClintock (and probably most/all congress) has been warned by the Elite that they have to go along with the LIES until further notice (when it’s time to throw barry under the bus)
He just accepted te fale bio given at the time of birth. Tell him to go look into al the records in Topeka Ks wehre he was born and ask for a congressinal investigiation as why the state of Ks has never conducted an investigation of three murders and theattempeted murder of Stanley Ann and her unborn child, the rpesident.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid vetted him. What does that tell you?
He supposedly represents my district. For the last several townhouses this issue has been brought up. In every one he continues to issue the same bs …………. Over half of the people in attendance wants this issue brought up and obama to be impeached but like all the rest of the idiots representing us he buries his head in the sand. We need to kick them all out and get completely new people in. Feinstein and Boxer are just as worthless as Tom.
In addition to kicking them out we also need to get rid of all the perks. Let them get social security, the same health care, etc. Term limitations should also be the law, lets say 3 terms. They should not be the elites.
YOU are so right ! “We the people” have to turn this around !! They all know he’s not legal to be president !!!
“Now, newly discovered evidence proves all three branches of our government are complicit in compromising our national security by allowing the Constitution to be subverted.”
You are so right, ajetboatman. The only possible way to take back our country and restore constitutional government is to FIRE the entire roster of Senators and Congressmen. Every single one of them has done his or her best to obscure the truth of Obama while aiding and abetting his unconstitutional abuses–and that goes for State and local elected representatives, also. Every single one of them is guilty of treason against the Constitution and against the sovereign people of the United States.
It is impossible to vote for a candidate who runs as a Democrat or Republican. Both political parties are so tainted by Marxism, they are toxic to the continuation of a constitutional America. We need men and women of character and integrity who will support the Constitution to come in and clean house–of all government employees, elected, appointed and employed, who do not support the Constitution, the unyielding Rule of Law, and the foundation upon which this country was built.
Until we return to constitutional government, the new voter mantra should be ONE TERM and out. Surely we have enough honorable men and women who are true citizens of the United States and who will give up 2, 4 or 6 years to turn our country back to God’s unalienable Rights, including Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. A Representative or Senator who is allowed to run for re-election should be able to campaign ONLY on his or her complete record–nothing else. It doesn’t take much money to put your record of service out before the public. Either we agree with what you have done–and not done, or we don’t.
It is long past time when we again assume our sovereign control of government. It is time to re-teach our elected representatives that THEY SERVE US!
Tom McClintock is an idiot, Mike Zullo found numerous birth announcements of children that were born in Japan that had their family member’s place news announcements in Hawaii newspapers so that their children would become American citizens and naturalize them as when the child gets older.
Bill O’Reilly hangs his hat on that exact point as well, they are both wrong and Mike Zullo has proven that since 1955 the laws for that kind of corruption was easy to take full advantage of any hundred’s of thousands of individuals did.
Even if Obama was born in Hawaii which he was not, after moving to Indonesia, he obviously obtained an Indonesia passport ( that’s how he was able to travel to Indonesia in 1980 when American’s where not able to do so) and having done so he renounced his American citizenship, if he even ever had one. It’s amazing how stupid our government really is to allow this farce to continue.
Re: “Mike Zullo found numerous birth announcements of children that were born in Japan that had their family member’s place news announcements in Hawaii newspapers…”
He never showed a single one. Not one.
A simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm that Obama never had an Indonesian passport and never was an Indonesian citizen.
Re: ” that’s how he was able to travel to Indonesia in 1980 when American’s where not able to do so) and having done so he renounced his American citizenship…”
The usual story is that is how he traveled to PAKISTAN in 1981–he went to Pakistan in 1981, not to Indonesia. And the answer is that Pakistan was not on any “no travel” list by the US State Department, nor did Pakistan keep US citizens from visiting. It was very anxious to have them visit because it wanted tourist dollars, and Pakistan was relatively peaceful in those days, so US newspapers ran travel articles recommending visiting it.
Renunciation of US citizenship can only be done IN WRITING before a US official, and if Obama had done that there would be evidence of it. There is no evidence.
I just called his DC and local office and informed them and asked if they could do anythng about the threre dead. and details surrounding is birth and all the other isses, etc, I didn’t even check party affiliation. DC hung up on me, but the local office in Granite City said call the Ks authorities that have done nothing for 50 years. This is why injustice goes on for so long. No one cares. I didn’t even get a proper referral to the right office in the Justice dept.. People and elected officials are just mouthing gossip and rumor irresponsibly. No one cares about truth, eye witnesses which are still considered legal proof in this country, and real documents. If someone did create a real forgery in recent times and the President was not told, or f he was.. this all needs to be investigated. , I have no proof he knows anything. But I’m not the one elected to investigate. Prayerfully Sheriff Joe will get some folks to Topeka HS for the 50th class reunion and get some folks talking. who may know thibgs i don’t even know, This is why it took me so long to have courage to come forward as most have been inquisitive and respectful, a few haven’t. I have respect for the office of the presidency. Those who work for him must be honest with him, if they are not doing so. I didn’t just accept your word either, and ‘verified. Your article is right on the mark.! LInda Joy Adams
Do you really think President Zero will ever tell the truth on anything? He is a muslim and wants to be a member of the Muslim Brotherhood……..civil war in the USA is not far off!!!
The DNC sent a letter with a signed by Obama copy of a statement that he was eligible to be President. It was a High Crime of Fraud, and the House should Impeach him now.
On September 10, 2012, the Arizona Secretary of State received the DNC nomination paper for Barack Hussein Obama. On the document, Mr. Obama swore or affirmed that he is “a natural born citizen of the United States and [he] is at least thirty-five years of age…..and meet[s] all other constitutional requirements to hold the office of President of the United States.”
FACTS
1. Barack Hussein Obama II, President, is “NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”. Side step the key issue he never showed a certified and verifiable copy of his Certificate of Live Birth, and focus on Obama’s father who was not a Natural born Citizen of American, and specifically was never an American. To be a natural born citizen of America, both birth parents have to be American citizens before the birth.
Thus since Obama’s father was not an American, he is not a natural born citizen. There is no excuse for this Fraud other than Obama’s inner-self has a problem.
He should be impeached and removed from office with severe penalties attached. Alternatively regardless of the November elections outcome and Electoral College Standing, he could be impeached with a recommendation of immediate resignation from office in 2012, and that would include possible 2013-2017 term.
If that is not accomplished and the Senate does swing Republican, then impeach the twerp in 2013 – early. That makes Joe Biden President and the Speaker of the House would be in line to assume the VP spot if he accepts it.
I DO NOT LIKE OBAMA simply because he is a Liar and Fraud.
The Libya Embassy attack was a diabolical error on the Obama Administration’s part. They never did a security assessment before the Ambassador and crew moved in. The President and all concerned in and out of the WH knew almost instantly the Attack was a Terrorist Attach. Yet the American People, Congress, United Nations, and World is consistently being lied to about “spontaneous attack” or “Al Qaeda terrorist attack”. It was the later and this President knew it from the get go.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SPONTANEOUS ATTACK where they bring rocket launchers with them. It was preplanned, and I think Obama sent money to a group in North Africa to rebel against Mideast regimes he did not like (???). In plain wording:
President Obama paid the terrorists to attack the Libya Embassy and Kill American Citizens.
Seems rather bold, but as you might suspect “I DO NOT TRUST OBAMA”.
The Star advertiser accepts any phone in birth announcements. They still to this day except them, any call into the paper will allow any announcement (death or Birth) to be published with no investigation or documentation,as I said before even as of 09/2012.
I walked into the Department of health and registered my daughter born in Hawaii on my say so.
I told them we had a home delivery and I am listed as the attending/delivering physician and the place of birth is my home address. There was no other conformation needed. And that is what is on her birth certificate
So the fact that this stupid ass idiot believes a newspaper posted on that date, BHO could have been born in BF Egypt and registered as a Hawaii citizen by his grandmother or his mother at any time.
Re “The Star Advertiser accepts any phone in birth announcements.”
In 1961 it didn’t. In 1961 it ran a section called “Health Bureau Statistics” and as the name implies (and as both the newspaper and the department of health confirm,” only the Health Bureau—the department of health—could send notices to that section. If you take a close look at the notices you will see that they are all alike in format, names of parents, address, son or daughter, date of birth.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
They are all the same, and they are not advertisements. There are advertisements for products in the section, but no ads for birth announcements because every one is in the same format, and none are larger than others or use different type. In addition to that, the paper and the DOH both say that the birth notices in the newspaper were not ads and were only from the DOH, which is what the name indicates.
As to what you allegedly did, walk into the newspaper and registered your daughter and said that you were the physician, that took place a long time after 1961. IN 1961 only the DOH could send those notices, and you are not the DOH.
So only the DOH could send the notices, and the DOH only did it for children whom it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH could not issue birth certificates to children who were not born in Hawaii.
That, as I said, is good CONFIRMING evidence to the birth certificate itself, and the confirmation of the fact that it exists and that all the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are accurate by officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii. There remains the obvious fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country and that women rarely traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. That was a deliberate untruth by a birther site that cut off the tape just before she was asked “Whereabouts was he born?” She answered that question by saying repeatedly “IN HAWAII.” And as confirmation of that, there is another interview with her, done by the Hartford Courant newspaper in which she said that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII. So, both the birth certificate in Hawaii and the relatives say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the birth notices in the newspapers confirm.
So Rep. Tom McClintock is simply being rational.
Re: “To be a natural born citizen of America, both birth parents have to be American citizens before the birth. ”
Turning to that aspect of the birther myth. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born Citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
That definition was stated by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which BTW was after Minor v. Happersett, so it would have overturned it (if Minor v Happersett actually were a ruling on the matter). And the Wong Kim Ark case ruled six justices to two, one not voting, that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel), and that it refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is Natural Born.
So far there have been seven state courts and one federal court that have ruled on the NBC status of Obama and one (Hollinder v McCain) that ruled on the NBC status of McCain, and all nine of them ruled that the definition of Natural Born Citizen was laid down in the Wong Kim Ark supreme court ruling, and that it says that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen. That makes Rubio, and Jindal, and yes, Obama, all Natural Born Citizens due to their place of birth. Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate, and the Index Data, and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country all show.
I understand that his white grandmother worked in vital records at the courthouse and probably did not want his birth to appear as bastardized. These people were Communists, according to what I farther understand. The grandfather was great friends with Marshall Davis.
That old man talking is leaving out how long this thing has been in the works and the planning that has gone into it. The reason in the beginning for a falsified birth announcement may have been for simple reason of receiving social benefits for young Barak. It just may have blossomed into what it is. Barak Obama is from all I have read and from the experts, not eligible to be in our White House. He should be arrested. He knows the score and is trying to finish a work for those who raised him and groomed him from his early youth to do just what he is doing. Obama is doing nothing now but supressing freedoms, breaking the finances of this country and slowly instituting Muslim ideals into the country. What does everyone think he is doing. He is pandering to those who are less educated who do not know what he is doing, or those who are dumed down so much they are unable to think or even take care of their own basic needs, and the youth of this country, and the fringes of society who want to justify their lifestyles. He is using them for a rag tag army to raise hell when he and they do not get what they want.
Obama’s white grandmother worked in a bank.
Hawaii is still thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country, and very very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. (And the government of Kenya, where birthers allege that he was born, says that it investigated and he certainly was NOT born there.) And Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii, and it is confirmed by the officials of both parties and by the Index Data and by the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Orlie Taitz and all those 156 investigators who have received verified information as to Obama’s eligibility and the computer experts, lawyers, etc. are not guessing. They know. I am wondering if Congress does not know and are waiting until after the election. For all we know, we have been taken over already with threats of great destruction if Obama is moved upon. Those people could not be that in the dark or that cowardly. Something must be up. There are some 11 states where they are (or have been) trying to get Obama off the ticket because of his ineligibility. Those judges and prosecutors are trying, but seem to be finding ways not to do this in some instances. Orlie Taitz is a doctor and a lawyer who seems to be running herself ragged to keep court appointments and take witnesses. Those courts do not seem to be making it easy for her. It is like the people who should be, are not trying to find out the truth. That leads me to believe there is a very high up cover up by the Administration and Congress. Obama is keeping the masses in line in the communities who are likely to raise hell by promising them things he has no intention of delivering. If later when they see through all of this, and they raise hell, he will have become so entrenched he will bring them to mass harm without the compunction normally used by America. This man can, if he is who he is appearing to be, extend his term indefinately and all of us are in trouble who stand against this. Congress is likely playing dumb. Does that seem possible? Could they know the truth and not allowing what should be done to be done? If so, why?
Orly Taitz is a trial lawyer who earns money for all the cases that she works on. As for the 156 (?) investigators–they are birther investigators, who in most cases have not shown their credentials, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. As for Sheriff Joe and his investigators in particular:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/
These are some reasons why Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, Bill O’Reilly, the National Review, and the conservative secretary of state of Arizona do not believe the Cold Case Posse or other birther “investigators” and do believe the birth certificate of Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii, and the Index Data file, and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii and the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country and women very rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days.
Ellen,
I have been reading your take on this matter for years, and I have to say that your take on the definition of a NBC does not jibe with other information on it. It wouldn’t be such a big deal, to have put it in the Constitution for that particular federal office and no other – the office as well of the Commander in Chief of the military forces of the pending Republic – if all it meant was just to have been born jus soli – born on the soil. It meant jus sanguinis as well – born of the blood; to say, having no foreign allegiance. It was a measure for national security purposes; which was why John Jay – then to become the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court – recommended it to G. Washington, to be inserted in the Constitution being developed at the Constitutional Convention. Which incidentally, turned down Hamilton’s first draft, where he called for the presidential candidate to be just a citizen. Got it? That option was turned down.
The Founding Fathers did not go by English common law – they were trying to extricate themselves from any links of potential allegiance to Great Britain. They were going by Natural Law in their thinking – including Vattel. Mario Apuzzo has gone into all this in great detail.
Edwin Meese’s take on the matter may have something to do with why the Republican Party has gone along with this scam. The best answer is that they wanted to have their own dog in that fight, too; i.e., wanted to be able to put up candidates who were not NBC as well, and did a Machiavellian deal with the Democrat Party honchos to keep schtum on their candidate Obama. McCain himself might still be found to have been ineligible, for not having been born on the equivalent of U.S. soil abroad, as he may have been born in Panama City, not on the military base of his parents’ assignment; another reason that the Republican Party joined in this crime.
The tipoff to a criminal conspiracy between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party is that both political parties tried five times over the 8 years preceding the 2008 elections to get a constitutional amendment starting through Congress on this very issue – to release the too-strict (in their eyes) NBC requirement – and failed even to get it out of committee every time. So, obviously, they ultimately got together (whether in a smoke-filled room or not is immaterial) and decided to do an end-around on the Constitution and the American people. Wrong decision. It will ultimately land them in jail.
After a fair hearing in a – fair – court of law, of course: brought up on RICO charges, of criminal collusion. Which will prove that both the major political parties are not just observedly but legally corrupt, and need to be dissolved forthwith. What will also come out of those proceedings is how Nancy Pelosi committed a felony by signing off on Obama’s eligibility, out of the 2008 Democratic Party Nominating Convention, to be “constitutionally qualified” to run for the office, knowing it was an untruth because she changed the wording to the States’ authorities on the matter, eliminating that wording to them; only providing it to the Hawaiian authorities, who wanted to cover themselves and make sure the Democrat Party carried the can if the truth ever came out. Which it is; and continuing to.
The efforts of the Democrat Party, and the Republican Party, and apologists for deception like yourself, notwithstanding.
Ellen, as for Orlie Taitz, what do you expect that she could afford to work as a lawyer for nothing? People work to earn money, but I grant you she is spending more than she is taking in with trying to save your country. She is a dentist, as well. So those 156 helping Joe Apario made up of lawyers, computer experts, professional investigators, skip tracers, etc. are not supposed to count for nothing. Why are you still trying to cover up for that man who is working to take your freedoms? Does your pride of being wrong mean so much to you that you are willing to allow this phoney man to be in our White House and destroy what our forefathers left for us to build upon? Does it mean you want this man who is using the poor and ethnics and fringes as tools to succeed in bringing America down? This is what he is doing. If you cannot see this, then you are blind as that sheik they have in prison Obama’s buddies are wanting to free.
This guy represents the 4th district in CA. He was elected in 2008 which should make his position up for election this year. Are Californians going to vote for a guy who believes a newspaper ad is a legal document?
Re: “Are Californians going to vote for a guy who believes a newspaper ad is a legal document?”
Answer. They could of course vote for the Democrat. But unless they vote for the Democrat, they will vote for him or not vote at all.
BTW he did not say that the birth notices were a legal document, only that they provided confirming evidence to the birth certificate itself. And they do. That is because in 1961 only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers, and the DOH only sent the notices out for children that it had issued birth certificates to, and in 1961 it was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children who were not born in Hawaii.
Re: “Does it mean you want this man who is using the poor and ethnics and fringes as tools to succeed in bringing America down? ”
Answer. There is enormous difference between not liking someone and thinking that he was born in foreign country. There are plenty of people born in the USA not to like. Obama has shown the official short form and the long form birth certificates of Hawaii, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on them, and the existence of a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii is further confirmed by the Index Data, and the fact that a birth certificate was issued to Obama in 1961 is confirmed by the birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH and only for births in Hawaii. And Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and very few women traveled long distances when they were late in pregnancy in 1961.
It is silly to link the newspaper article with the idea of one day becoming president because in those days we all knew what it meant to be “natural born”. Having a foreign father automatically excluded one from the Presidency. On the other hand, Obama’s grandparents most certainly knew that being an American citizen was MUCH MORE advantageous than being a Kenyan citizen, and for that reason at least, they would put an anouncement in the local newspaper. In addition to this, there could have been social reasons as well.
Re: “I have been reading your take on this matter for years, and I have to say that your take on the definition of a NBC does not jibe with other information on it. It wouldn’t be such a big deal, to have put it in the Constitution for that particular federal office and no other – the office as well of the Commander in Chief of the military forces of the pending Republic – if all it meant was just to have been born jus soli – born on the soil. It meant jus sanguinis as well…”
The meaning referred to citizens who were born in the country and not naturalized. That excluded millions of people. It excluded the billions of people in the world who were not citizens, and it excluded the millions of US citizens who were naturalized. But it allowed everyone else. Here are two examples of how the term was used shortly after the Constitution was written. Both, as you can see, used the term the way that it was used in the COMMON LAW (which is mentioned about twenty times in the Federalist Papers) and not the two-parent way.
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
(As you can see, that refers only to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents. It says that Natural Born Citizens were “Those born within the state.”)
and this:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
So the historical evidence confirms the decision made by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which also said that the meaning of the term Natural Born comes from THE COMMON LAW, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA is Natural Born (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is Natural Born. That is why Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, had this in his book:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
John Jay, a lawyer and justice who would become the first US Chief Justice, was an expert in the common law, who actually wrote the common law into the first Constitution of the state of New York, and he was referring to the common law meaning of Natural Born. If he had meant “two citizen parents,” he would have said two citizen parents. Neither George Washington nor anyone else at the time would have understood “two citizen parents” when someone wrote “Natural Born.” Why not? Because the common meaning of it was the common law meaning.
Yes some of the members of the Constitutional Convention had read Vattel, but his French words “indignes” was not translated as Natural Born Citizen until a decade after the US Constitution. More importantly, they read a lot of other things too. In particular they read BLACKSTONE, who was far more popular than Vattel, and he said that the meaning of Natural Born referred to the place of birth.
Re: “Having a foreign father automatically excluded one from the Presidency. ” Answer. No, it refers to the place of birth.
Re: “Obama’s grandparents most certainly knew that being an American citizen was MUCH MORE advantageous than being a Kenyan citizen, ” Answer. Only the DOH could place birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the newspapers in Hawaii, and at the time it only sent the birth notices out for children it had issued birth certificates to, and it was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii. Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it did an investigation of the “born in Kenya” myth and determined that it is false.
Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday. “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
What a bunch of BS.
Re: “I have been reading your take on this matter for years, and I have to say that your take on the definition of a NBC does not jibe with other information on it. It wouldn’t be such a big deal, to have put it in the Constitution for that particular federal office and no other – the office as well of the Commander in Chief of the military forces of the pending Republic – if all it meant was just to have been born jus soli – born on the soil. It meant jus sanguinis as well…”
The meaning referred to citizens who were born in the country and not naturalized. That excluded millions of people. It excluded the billions of people in the world who were not citizens, and it excluded the millions of US citizens who were naturalized. But it allowed everyone else. Here are two examples of how the term was used shortly after the Constitution was written. Both, as you can see, used the term the way that it was used in the COMMON LAW (which is mentioned about twenty times in the Federalist Papers) and not the two-parent way.
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
(As you can see, that refers only to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents. It says that Natural Born Citizens were “Those born within the state.”)
and this:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
So the historical evidence confirms the decision made by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which also said that the meaning of the term Natural Born comes from THE COMMON LAW, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA is Natural Born (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is Natural Born. That is why Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, had this in his book:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
John Jay, a lawyer and justice who would become the first US Chief Justice, was an expert in the common law, who actually wrote the common law into the first Constitution of the state of New York, and he was referring to the common law meaning of Natural Born. If he had meant “two citizen parents,” he would have said two citizen parents. Neither George Washington nor anyone else at the time would have understood “two citizen parents” when someone wrote “Natural Born.” Why not? Because the common meaning of it was the common law meaning.
Yes some of the members of the Constitutional Convention had read Vattel, but his French words “indignes” was not translated as Natural Born Citizen until a decade after the US Constitution. More importantly, they read a lot of other things too. In particular they read BLACKSTONE, who was far more popular than Vattel, and he said that the meaning of Natural Born referred to the place of birth.
Re: “Having a foreign father automatically excluded one from the Presidency. ” Answer. No, it refers to the place of birth.
Re: “Obama’s grandparents most certainly knew that being an American citizen was MUCH MORE advantageous than being a Kenyan citizen, ” Answer. Only the DOH could place birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the newspapers in Hawaii, and at the time it only sent the birth notices out for children it had issued birth certificates to, and it was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii. Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it did an investigation of the “born in Kenya” myth and determined that it is false.
Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday. “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
washingtonindependent.com/…/…
More information on Natural Born Citizen status:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
And:
http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/24/english-common-law-and-american-law-a-digression/
And:
http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com/
Oh, and seven state courts and one federal court have found on Obama that the matter really was ruled on by the Wong Kim Ark decision of the US Supreme Court, and that that ruling applies. No court has found that the two-parent myth applies.
VOTE THESE SCUMS OUT
It does not matter where obama was born. He was raised in Indonesia (six years) and attended an all boys muslim school which required your loyality to allah and that you were a citizen. If he were ever American he gave it up for they do not allow duel citizenship. His school records are sealed as he applied as a foreign exchange student.