After watching this video, I would say it is pretty clear we have a closet homosexual in the White House. Our forefathers are definitely rolling over in their graves…
Our precious transparent Ghetto RAT???? He would NEVER have done any of this I am sure! How dare anyone accuse him of anything like that or any of the other hundreds of things he has been accused of…he is as innocent a a new born babe !!! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it ………NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you have been drinking too much of his cool aid.
Sarcasm renthusband, sarcasm. Jo Ann523 does not drink cool-aid!
He is a known Chi-Town Queer, and has been for many years!
He and Raum-bo Emanuel were members of the gay bath house in Chi-town.
General comment: None of this is surprising; it’s old news, even though it doesn’t tell us about the other man that was murdered and the 3rd one died of ‘AIDS’ before he told his story. The dude with the glasses (Sinclair) was allowed to live…I wonder why?
I wonder if Larry is also a member of the “CHICAGO BATH HOUSE MEAT WHISTLE BAND”? Rahm Emanuel “conducting”. BHO “1st chair emeritus”.
Pure as the new driven snow…or new crack….
He’s as QUEER as a $3 bill. Any non-believers should Google…Obama gay bath houses Chicago . There are numerous articles. Read them for yourself.
Yuuuup ! It’s called ” Mans world ” !
You cant be serious? Obama is guilty as sin. Never has such a low life dirt bag ever been elected President.
Really?, has this what it has come to? No pun intended. I hope people have some real evidence of this before smearing it all over the place. I’m not too happy with him either, but this is really pushing the envelope. Where are you getting this from?
Do your research Tracy, this has been known for years. His marriage to the fat bitch was arranged so that he would be more appealing in the political scene. He’s a queer!
I doubt those two children he claims as his are actually his. Michele I bet was a ghetto mother with two illegitimate kids and they made a deal with her. DNA would prove this. Does anyone ever remember Obama being married earlier and expecting baby or babies? I doubt it. So now we have a Brotherhood lying homosexual crack head Muslim for a president. Thanks a lot you ignorant Obama supporter/Democrats., Obama has destroyed America’s moral values, the economy, our security, our affordable daily living, our religious freedom to express, leading us to world war three, dividing the races further a part, sending billons of our tax dollars to empower the Muslim Brotherhood our enemies, and all the while smiling with arrogance while playing golf.. I wish someone would blow that smile right off his face.
Ya he loves taking the sauage and expects us to take it also. down with this scumbag!
the queers know it. That’s the reason they voted for him. That’s the reason he transformed.
You should probably read Larry Sinclair’s book, he has some pretty compelling and documented evidence of what he is saying.
His book and public comments are probably the only reason he’s still alive. Once it was on the table he couldn’t very well be done away with, it would have been too obvious.
There’s been many articles about it but “daddykickass” has said how to google it.
JoAnn523, Being you are that stupid and can’t see the truth, I can give you 200% return on your money monthly, just send me all of your money today
“JoAnn523, Being you are that stupid and can’t see the truth, I can give you 200% return on your money monthly, just send me all of your money today.”
berneemc, Ever heard of sarcasm?
She was being sarcastic….
Thank you for your understanding…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Thank you so much Mike…OH LORD everyone PLEASE know I am definitely NOT another Ellen!!! I’d rather be tortured to death first if I become that INSANE ha!
Rational people will notice that JoAnn523 has not discussed the facts. She actually has not mentioned a single fact. It is a fact that birther sites LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said. She never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in HAWAII, but birther sites never quoted her. So, duh, birther sites that lied about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said are perfectly capable of lying about Obama being a homosexual too.
Was just trying to come to your aid as I understood your sarcasm in what you said. I’ve noticed many people react too fast without paying attention to what is said, and that is bad. And sadly I may mistakes too. I made one to Playrighter, not that I read anything wrong, I just took anthers’ word for something that wasn’t completely true. Be sure and read my posts to ellen. It will help you a lot in her rambling responses to you.
berneemc, you need to read her comment again, especially the end word, “NOT.”
She was being sarcastic, do you know what that means? Seems that you are the one that’s stupid!
READ her original post ! She did say “NOT” ! !
Get off yer soapbox already !
you sure can bet Michelle will never take his place!
Perhaps, but I am not quite as sure as you seem to be. Both are almost as slippery as snot. Almost. Both accepted disbarment in Illinois to avoid criminal prosecution. Which means there is a lot of honesty in Illinois – outside of Chicago.
Snot is a natural, useful creation. Barry & Michelle are unnatural, evil creations. That is why they were selected by the Illuminati, NAZI, CIA, Ford Foundation, and certain Democrats, and slid into their current positions.
Please provide evidence of “disbarment in Illinois to avoid criminal prosecution”.
I have seen similar claims for years, have repeatedly asked for evidence, yet have never seen any provided. If this is not a lie or a rumor, surely there is evidence, right? Kindly provide it. Thanks.
Here you go….https://www.sodahead.com/united-states/obama-was-disbarred-from-practicing-law-in-a-plea-bargain-agreement-to-avoid-criminal-prosecution-y/question-1823551/
Thanks, but no. Sorry. It’s an interesting video, but no documentation.
I followed the instructions and went to the Illinois Bar web site, and found the following for both Barack and Michelle Obama: Michelle: Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law Barack: Voluntarily retired and not authorized to practice law Other than “retired” vs “inactive”, they’re the same.
Do you have EVIDENCE that either of them were disbarred? I still haven’t seen it.
“I have seen similar claims for years, have repeatedly asked for evidence, yet have never seen any provided. If this is not a lie or a rumor, surely there is evidence, right? Kindly provide it. Thanks.”
I want to be fair about things, and as much as I despise Obama I am only wanting the truth concerning him. I have yet to find any concrete evidence or facts showing those claims to be true in any way. Until then I cannot go this route against Obama.
Unless we find him cock in hand there no proof other then one person vs another… but we have a history of men claiming “friendship” with Barry for decades. Known fact rev right was and is founder of the Down Low club. Years andyears of his “grooming young men. MMatchmaking these men with ugly wives, and much more.
No one go through a life with so many evil influences in ones life aNd csome how it is one big lie. Dozens of men, random students and others from his past are all in on it. But the known liers, and manipulators, and groups he has been involved with had zero effect!? BS!!!!
Now many of those corrupt people are in his administration! He must be removed! We all know it!
“Unless we find him cock in hand there no proof other then one person vs another…”
Todd, I have NO problem concerning him being a homo. I accept that by the information available. I even wrote another post agreeing that he was and Michell was a transgender. What evidence I was questioning was that of him and Michell being disbarred from being lawyers. Sorry if I wasn’t plain enuff…
Lol no not at you. You were clear I meant we can provide proof. I dont care if hes gay, it is lying about his past. Drugs, gay or not after lying about long before 2008 campaign, or hiding his history. All while judging others and not having same judgements applied to him.
If any other man office did what has done he would be in jail or never gotten into oval office to start with.
It is true. I have pictures of Obama sitting with his male lover snuggled together on a sofa and no one else on the sofa, His male lover holds a cigarette like a female snuggling in his arm pit. Obama is a homo. He is also a liar about that blond that crash the White house he said he did not know. I have pictures of them together before she ever went to the white house.
The fact that they do not deny any of these claims, nor sue for slander, is proof enough! Check out the homo Bathhouse registry in Chicago, O’Bama is on it!
If only it were that simple. Failure to sue is not the same as proof. Until there is
PROOF of their disbarment, such claims are false rumors.
If they really were disbarred, wouldn’t the Illinois State Bar show it?
(I’m not a big fan of Obama. But I’m a lifelong fan of the truth.)
I know what you’re saying Michael but what I read was they were not disbarred but were asked to inactivate their licenses or face disbarrment.
“I know what you’re saying Michael but what I read was they were not disbarred but were asked to inactivate their licenses or face disbarrment.”
That’s what I understood to be correct.
I just never seen where they were disbarred, which was what was being here by others.
And I would have liked to have seen the proof of disbarment if those claims had been true. Which they ain’t. Doesn’t mean they’re not guilty. It’s just the technicalities of the way they’ve covered themselves is what I don’t like.
They have BOTH acknowledged they “surrendered” their law licenses–OWEbama because he failed to acknowledge use of an alias when he took his Illinois bar exam–using the name Barry Soetoro without acknowledging it was a violation of Bar license laws, as well as hiding several hundred dollars in traffic fines he had not paid.
That’s what I always understood…
Would you be so kind as to offer a link? And didn’t Obama pay off those parking tickets from Harvard
when he ran for President? (Very late, but now paid off).
I keep digging, and I cannot find documentation that matches your statement. I did find these:
Thanks for your help.
Are looking for details accounting of him taking up his @#$. Or maybe video? Atleast two died just days before closed testimony hmmmm. His own “friend” mr love has admited to being to close. Many have come foward in reports in chicago all have been ignored. He has a long list of clubs all gay clubs he used to go to. Once or twice to a gay club might be nothing as a wingman for a friend. But not years of going, why else would someone pay millions to hide his past.
His mentors 2 for curtian were known to mentor young men. He is a member of the Down Low club many have bragged about fagging, the potus back in the day. Many in his cabinet from chicago come same group of churches run by the same men and all members of the Down Low club.
I have friend from way back that still live in that pos city. They all have read and seen reports for years about Barry. They wont openly talk about it, they know many who have gone “missing” for speaking out.
The legal profession, being careful to avoid problems they had in the past with unscrupulous law professionals, formed the Bar to self-enforce their standards. The decision on someone’s commission of crimes or ethics violations, if found to be true, results in disbarment, the removal of the offender from membership in the legal profession and loss of his or her License to Practice Law.
When the Bar gets information that a lawyer who is a member of the Bar has done something that is not ethical, an investigation is started to verify if it is or is not true. During the investigation, the offending lawyer is called in to give an account. If he is certain of his innocence and has no fear of disbarment, he will decide to attend the hearing and “take his chances”. If found innocent, he continues his law practice. If found to be guilty, he is disbarred, and starts looking for a new profession.
Prior to the hearing, if he decides that the charges are true and he most certainly will be disbarred, he may send a letter to the Bar, asking that he be allowed to surrender his License to Practice Law. This request is almost always granted and he can go to a new job (not in the legal profession), and not be stigmatized by the title “Disbarred Lawyer”. He would be “Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law” or “Voluntarily retired and not authorized to practice law”.
How many people that you know would go to a University, then to a Law School, then study to be admitted to the Bar, then would surrender his License to Practice Law? It surely would not be because of the cost of renewing the license, it’s a few dollars a year.
Barack knew that one of the questions on the application to the Bar was “Have you ever used a different name?” He probably checked “NO” although he has used the names Barry Soetoro, Jean Paul Ludwig, and Harrison J. Bounell. A disbarment offense.
Michelle was involved in a scandal in the hospital where she had a no-show job. They charged poor black people 3 times what they charged everybody else for the same procedures. Her title there was “Director of Diversity” so you would think that a Black woman would look out for the needs of poor black people. Scandals like that are also grounds for disbarment.
Hence, their decisions to become temporary ex-lawyers. It’s going to be tough for them when they have to move out. They can’t be lawyers, neither of them has ever had a real job, they play fast and loose with the truth, and what company would hire somebody who put his last company in debt to the tune of 16 trillion dollars (so far). It’s a good thing they were able to stash millions of dollars of our money away for the rainy day that’s going to hit about 1-20-2017.
1) Where and how were “Jean Paul Ludwig”, and “Harrison J. Bounell” used by Barack Obama?
2) I understand a bit about disbarment. At least three attorneys I have worked with have been disbarred, while another was not even given a slap on the wrist despite repeatedly lying on court documents, as evidenced by a very thick submission to the State Bar.
3) The claim was disbarment, not “faced disbarment”. Either way, circumstantial evidence is one thing — proof another altogether. Where’s the “smoking gun”?
1) Jean Paul Ludwig was born in France in 1890, emigrated to the United States, and died in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1977.
At about that time, Barack Obama, also living in Honolulu, Hawaii, was about 16 years of age and desired to get a job. He needed a Social Security number, but lacking any papers to prove who he was, needed to resort to identity theft. His grandmother worked in the City Hall and looked for the records of someone who:
had a Social Security number,
had not applied for or received any benefits from SS.
She took that number and Barack used it to get the job. He still uses that number today.
Harrison J. Bounell, according to the Chicago Census, lives in the house in Chicago that Barack Obama calls his home. Harrison is listed as the husband of Michelle Obama.
Barack Obama apparently used that name to purchase the Chicago house.
2) The disbarment you refer to sometimes is fought successfully, but more times than not, the offending party is looking for other employment the next day.
3) No lawyer who spent 8 years in an Ivy League University and Ivy League Law School, and sweated through a grueling examination to pass the Bar, would ever just hand in his License to Practice Law. There has to be a colossal reason. One of those reasons could be that Barack Obama didn’t attend Columbia. Nobody in his class remembers seeing him there, he doesn’t appear in the yearbook, and has yet to show anybody a Diploma. With his magnetic personality and great presence, someone should remember him. Yet, he appears at Harvard Law School and is immediately selected as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review, for which he never wrote any article.
With the threat of disbarment, you can surrender your License to Practice Law, at which point, the Bar no longer has any power over you, and the case is dropped without a decision.
The “Smoking Gun” resides somewhere, along with all of Obama’s other records, medical, education, citizenship, passport, marriage, etc., all locked up because Obama spent about 2 million dollars for lawyers to lock up, by court orders, all record of his life on this planet for his first 35 or so years.
GOOD LUCK finding out anything about him.
1) Interesting info. Do you have sources on Ludwig and Bounell — especially something showing him as
2) If either of the Obamas were actually disbarred, wouldn’t the Bar records reflect this?
3) Some good points, and some of this seems to be rumor. I believe there are records of him at Columbia, and his Law Review position looks to have come at some effort. It does look to be true that Obama has gone to great effort and expense to cover his tracks, but shouldn’t something be accessible to validate these charges — especially disbarment?
The Obama’s were not disbarred. They surrendered their Licenses to Practice Law, so the disbarment was cancelled. As I think I said, once you surrender your License to Practice Law, you are no longer a lawyer, you are no longer a member of the Bar, they have no control over you, being disbarred, means you are kicked out of the organization. Because you left the organization voluntarily on your own they can’t kick you out.
If you drop out of an organization, they can’t then kick you out. If you leave a restaurant, they don’t call the bouncer to throw you out, you’re already out.
You can believe there are records of him at Columbia, but have you seen them? Do you know anyone who has seen them? There is a “classmate” of Obama’s time at Columbia, who was in the same field of study as Obama, and should have been in many of the same classes who never saw him. He is a lawyer and has written a book challenging Obama’s assertion that he went to Columbia. His name escapes me at the moment but I have seen him in videos and have read excerpts from the book. He says that the whole basis for Obama’s fraud started during Obama’s supposed attendance at Columbia.
You can “believe” that the moon is made of cheese, but that doesn’t make it a Kraft factory.
You demand proof from me on all my points but I must “believe” what you say.
1) I didn’t “demand” proof. I asked for sources. It’s easy to make claims, backing them is a bit tougher. And if I’m going to quote a “fact”, I need to know whence it came. I assume you would adhere to the same standard.
2) I am curious as to Bounell and Ludwig, as I was unaware of these claims — especially as to Michelle’s husband.
3) I believe you are referring to Wayne Allen Root, who actually says Obama may have gone to Columbia:
and Wikicu http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama all look to agree that he attended.
I understand disbarment and avoiding it. But without hard documentation, it’s all just theory.
I do NOT believe the moon is made of cheese. I do believe that evidence is a worthy “Kraft”. Thanks.
As you look to have exceptional access to data, can you supply some on the following:
Today, Barack Obama sent out an email on his upcoming bus tour to reform student loans. It includes the following: “Michelle and I know exactly how tough it can be to pay for higher education. By the time we finished paying back the loans we took out to go to college and grad school, I was on my way to being a U.S. Senator.”
Do you have any sources to confirm of refute this claim?
Per the Human events article you reference. Read the whole article. Root says that Obama could have been at Columbia because Cloward and Piven were spouting the Marxist propaganda constantly in their classes and the mentally defective students were soaking it in.
But it’s possible that he just went to the Marxist meetings they held in their home.
He goes on to say that for such a great orator, he should have been known by everybody on the campus. So far 2 people said they knew him, but they could have known him from the Marxist or Gay meetings he attended.
As far as the other “fact checkers” you mention:
FactCheck is a division of The Annenberg Foundation which gave millions of dollars to Liberal causes, including the organizations being run by an up-and-coming young community organizer in Chicago, by the name of Barack Obama…ever hear of him? Much of the money ended up in Barack’s pocket, along with the pockets of his friend and domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.
Snopes is run by a radical left wing couple who would find that the moon is cheese if it could be used to embarrass a conservative.
The third one, I never heard of. Oh! I see it’s from Columbia, very eager to let it be known Obama is the first graduate of Columbia to be President. Looks good when you try to attract new students and faculty.
The fact that we need to search high and low to find out anything about Obama’s education, is a testament to the skill used to cover it up.
And the fact that the left has to make up things about Obama to explain him is also very telling.
As playrighter seems to be attempting to waste my time , but doesn’t seem to want to listen or read anything other than the Liberal playbook, this will be my last post.
1) I wouldn’t refer you to an article without reading the entire piece. It did NOT state that Obama did not attend Columbia. You would know this if you read the entire article.
2) I’m aware of potential bias with Snopes and FactCheck, and yes, the last one is from Columbia. Still, there seems to be quite a lot of “made up” info there. Do you know for a fact that ALL of it is false? How?
3) Yes, it is difficult to find information on Obama. That doesn’t mean a) it doesn’t exist or b) the available information is all fabricated. I am not a fan of Obama for the most part, and am disappointed by the lack of transparency by “the most transparent administration ever”. That doesn’t mean accepting accounts to the contrary without asking for documentation. There have been some rather wild accusations on this very page — do you believe all of them without question?
Actually, you are dead wrong on my intention. I’m attempting to narrow this conversation down to provable facts rather than rumor to avoid wasting anybody’s time. (Shouldn’t that be your goal, as well?)
Your last comment is lazy, short-sighted, and actually rather humorous. I do not limit myself to any playbook — thus I ask questions similar to this on various sites. Just for laughs, look up my disqus profile. I’ve been attacked from both the left and the right for my “bias”. As a lifelong independent seeking the truth no matter who it benefits, I consider that a badge of honor.
If you also seek the truth, you might not be so dismissive of someone seeking facts over fantasy. If you were as quick with sincerely requested facts (I even complimented you) as with dismissals, this would be a much more productive exchange. I’ve certainly tried to do my part.
If this is truly your last post, you are ducking out on a teachable moment. That is truly sad.
P.S. For those more interested in hard data than harsh dismissals, here are a
couple of additional sources found after asking this same question on another site. (Hint: they indicate NO disciplinary actions against either Obama in regards to their licenses).
Just a suggestion. Next time, show more curiosity & open-mindedness –and less attitude & intolerance. It turns out that you are the one here making one-sided assumptions. Take care.
Re: ” Both accepted disbarment in Illinois to avoid criminal prosecution.”
Further FACTS on the subject:
She has sucker lips!
Arrest the entire administration, and many in Congress.
Obozo is a liar and fraud, indict his sorry carcass and toss him in Prison where he belongs.
Agreed. First release all the children and teenagers scattered in prisons around the US, convicted on usage of cannabis. Placed there by incorrigible adults who are making a buck on these children. Cannabis, outlawed by the Rockefeller foundation after it took over US medicine in the 1920s, supported by the pharma industry, led by the Merck corporation. Cannabis, a historical, herbal cure-all for human illness, mentioned in the Bible. The Bible, which existed prior to the Rockefeller takeover of American medicine in the 1920s.
Merck, one of the financiers of the Hitler movement, an Illuminati function, similar to the NWO movement. Members of which movement placed the granite stones in Elbert County, Georgia. Merck, producer of Gardasil, a theoretical compilation that is purported to prevent cancer in the mouth of the uterus, but not supported by scientific data to prevent anything. Gardasil, which allegedly prevents cancer in the mouth of the uterus. Gardasil, recommended by Merck and the FDA for injection into boys, who do not possess a uterus.
You are such a freaking liar and stupid to boot.
The bible and cannibis. You are sickening. The Lord said a drunkard will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Let’s face it drugs do not make people sober. Some may have them think they are sober.
That Cannibis sure did a lot of good things for you, ignition.
One other great thing it does is destroy brain cells, and because of the way it is smoked, holding it in the lungs for as long as you can to get the full effect, it is a major cause of cancer.
Gardasil does prevent Cervical Cancer in girls.
Have you ever heard of oral sex?
Gardacil prevents boys from getting throat cancer.
The Bible also says that Cain killed his brother Abel. Are we to believe that you are going to tell us that it’s OK to kill your brother because it’s in the Bible?
Think before you speak. That Cannibis has done a number on you. Get help!
Apparently, you only read what the government puts out on Cannabis, not the Truth, but that is common with Obama supporters. Speaking from experience, there are two types of Cannabis users that I call Stoner Smart and Stoner Stupid. Stoner Stupid are mostly younger people who party, get high, and do very stupid things and end up in trouble with the law. Stoner Smart is someone who uses Cannabis in a responsible way, never having any problems with society or law enforcement and lead very productive lives, like myself. I have indulged in God’s Medicine since 1970, have served my Country three different times, gave blood for my country, never been in trouble with the Law, raised a family of four daughters and now have ten grandkids, all drug free, plus, I own homes in three different countries, not counties, but Countries, all from hard work. Also, I am in excellent health, besides my military disability, and it is a proven FACT that Cannabis is good for a number of different health problems. Read something besides what the government puts out, they are only supporting big money Pharmaceutical Companies. God said that everything he put on Earth was GOOD, and God put Cannabis on earth, Not Man!
Bama isn’t the first homo that has ever been in office, Abe Lincoln liked men more than women, he once contemplated taking his life when a young Captain left him, but as usual the historians did not think people should know that! And he was just as big a liar as Bama! The truth is written by the winners and the winners don’t always tell the truth! Semper Fi.
You forgot to mention one thing…..that you wouldn’t make a pimple on Abraham Lincoln’s backside. Maybe on Obumwad’s backside. You sound like a sore loser, still fighting the Civil War. Well you’re gonna’ be fighting a Civil War, again. Semper Fi, a REAL Marine wouldn’t Talk like you IDIOT. BTW what book did
you read that garbage out of??? You need to go back to swatting flies!!! mrshinola
“You forgot to mention one thing…..that you wouldn’t make a pimple on Abraham Lincoln’s backside. Maybe on Obumwad’s backside.”
Gibberish trying to intimidate someone whose statements you didn’t like… Worthless to respond too rationally.
“You sound like a sore loser, still fighting the Civil War. Well you’re gonna’ be fighting a Civil War, again.”
We ARE still fighting that war! Only it wasn’t a real civil war then, but now it will be.
I have repeatedly covered in that GIGANTIC thread “Cowardly Congressman Refuses Affidavit On Obama ID Fraud” the many reasons for that war and I showed why Lincoln was the man RESPONSIBLE for our problems. How those problems from 1861 has morphed and transpired, growing into the whirlwind of problems your country now faces today.
The South was indeed right and we paid a terrible price for being, but now that wind you sown (all the wrongs the victors committed, the atrocities, the conquests, murder, theft, rapes, torture and destruction is coming back at you victors in the form of a whirlwind. You have sown into the winds and you shall reap the whirlwinds. So yes I am a sore loser, but I have not lost everything yet. I have lost my country but I have not lost my people. You and the victors OTOH are just beginning to lose your country because of the results you fought to and did achieve during Lincoln’s War. And you will have a infinitely worse price to pay than Southerners ever thought possible in 1865. So, if it becomes possible, I definitely want my country back and it FOREVER be separated from those Northern Yankees who nothing more than barbarians in sheep’s clothes. We are NOT the same people and never have been. And our odds of this becoming so are looking better with every passing day. From a hard line Southern POV, Obama winning the presidency is one of the best things that could have happened to the South in its’ cause for separation from its’ conquerors and owners.
“Semper Fi, a REAL Marine wouldn’t Talk like you IDIOT. BTW what book did you read that garbage out of??? You need to go back to swatting flies!!! mrshinola”
Semper Fi is for weaklings and Reconstructed *Patriots*. The Marine Corps I am part of looks at this as foolishness.
As for Lincoln, as I stated in that thread, Lincoln is Obama’s favorite president and the reasons are many. Both were Marxists, with Karl Marx being Lincoln’s inspiration for his speeches and they communicated often being pen pals, both were non-Christians. Both used drugs, with Lincoln also being a heavy drinker, a drunk. Both are populist presidents which simply means they have no principles of moral value. BOTH ARE sexually deviant with Lincoln being at least bisexual if not totally gay. (He actually tried to avoid his wife. And it is possible for a gay person to have sex with the opposite sex.)
So, if you disagree with what I what and what Bama wrote, there is thing on your browser called a “Search” bar or function. I strongly suggest you use it by typing in “Lincoln Gay”, or “Lincoln bisexual” or “Lincoln alcohol” or “Lincoln Marx” or “Lincoln drugs” and so other similar phrases that you can study. Or if you wish to read a book on that tells these things, read the book, “Lincoln Unmasked” by Tom DiLorenzo. And there are other books also. The thing is, you and millions of other people have purposely not been told this because the myth of Lincoln must remain intact so the conquest of the South and all of Lincoln’s unconstitutional and Treasonous acts can be JUSTIFIED as true. Once the myth of Lincoln is broken, his real face is shown for what he is and then the South is VINDICATED for her actions. And you know as do ALL Yankees this must NEVER happen. Because if it does it makes all of your kind liars, thieves, accessories to all these crimes and many more acts of brutality, not to mention you conquered a free and sovereign nation. Because all this is true, it is IMPERATIVE and absolutely necessary that the real Lincoln NEVER be exposed to the public. Therefore wholesale Reconstruction MUST be pushed onto the entire country as propaganda making Lincoln the savior and saint of the united states.
Destroy Lincoln’s myth and set yourself free. For that is what it will take to also free the North and everyone from this coming war. If not, if it doesn’t happen, then it will surly happen by the progress of the war, as people start to question themselves as to why all this misery had to befall them. And that is because the answer lies in the path that leads directly back to Lincoln himself.
You both are buying in to Obama’s plan to pit us against each other to stir up anger and frustration against each other so we will fall into his trap of declaring civil unrest and call in his “personal” army to search our homes with force to remove any weapons with which to defend ourselves. Remember how the police and army (who knows actually who they were) went to the homes in Boston and made the people leave their homes while they searched and removed weapons. That’s what he plans for us all.
“You both are buying in to Obama’s plan to pit us against each other to stir up anger and frustration against each other so we will fall into his trap of declaring civil unrest and call in his “personal” army to search our homes with force to remove any weapons with which to defend ourselves. ”
That *may* be true. However those plans, while coming from higher than Obama actually has both ends covered. They are prepared to act either way. Currently it is not my espousing of the truth that is of their first choice in directing the course of events. It is only a secondary option.
This should not in any way hinder me or anyone in standing by speaking the truth. For the truth will ALWAYS steer you on the right path. And don’t think what you’ve said hasn’t already been discussed by other like minds in higher places. Fore it has. The risks and benefits of separating the country as it *SUPPOSED* to have been 150 years far exceeds the liabilities of keeping it together. Those liabilities coupled with the fact of the injustices done against Southerners and the two vastly different cultures of the regions demands the satisfaction of being separated. Not only that the honor of my dead ancestors demands it also, and my future posterity demands I see to it. That should cover all sides of the issue, including the past, future and the honor, virtues and integrity involved.
BTW I forgot to add, the real father of Abe Lincoln is also unknown. Also it is not entirely known where Lincoln was born. There is a possibility that it could be North Carolina as well as the current accepted thoughts of Kentucky.
This also means there is a birth certificate problem concerning Lincoln.
I have not yet read bout this gay issue with Lincoln, but Lincoln indeed was a blemish. He destroyed our country for his own selfish reasons.
The states had the right to secede from the union, but Lincoln decided he would change that law, and caused a bloody battle. Brothers fighting against brothers. And for those who think it was about slavery, they need to read Lincoln’s letters. He was not opposed to slavery at all. He was more worried about the taxation of slavery. He isnt much different from the president we have now. And there may be another civil war. That is why he want to disarm citizens.
Thanks for the words of encouragement.
Just to make your day, here is one of the posts I was referring to from that gigantic thread. This posts forever proves secession was legal. That is because I have never had a professor prove it wrong, nor even attempt to on a couple of points. And I have debated several professors of history in my time.
“Re: ” and the States had a US Constitutional right to secede,”
But they didn’t have the constitutional right to secede. You think that they did. The South thought that it did, but Lincoln thought they didn’t—and so did the North.”
I was waiting for you to say that. That was your only reasonable response to the catch22 I listed earlier. Oddly you never seemed to associate this with the the catch22 though.
In fact the states had every Constitutional right to secede, and for any or no reason.
1– There is nothing in the US Constitution prohibiting it.
2– The 9th and 10th Amendments support it by stating all rights not specifically delegated to the Federal Government are reserved to the States and the People.
3– Thomas Jefferson stated it was allowable in his 1st Inaugural Address.
4– At least three State Constitutions of New York, Virginia and Texas had it wrote, it was their option to secede. (Why would the Federal Gov allow entry of a state into the union with their State Constitution proclaiming this? Note, a state Constitution had be available and approved by congress (at least noted with no disapproval) before a state could be added into the union.)
5– The 1783 Treaty of Paris established the fact that each colony was a state and a separate and independent country.
6– Practically all schools, colleges and universities taught secession was legal before 1861.
7– If and when any state does secede, there are no rules or laws concerning congress that restricts or addresses those affected congressmen pertaining to their jobs and their in function of congress. (This is clarified by the fact that if a certain number of congressmen fails to show for a convening of congress, then congress is in default of its’ functions and if not restored before the end of the prescribed session, then the union would be dissolved. And that is exactly what the major paper’s headlines read, “The Union is Dissolved”. All this led to what is known as “sine die”.
Great article here:
And finally, the right of secession was needed by all states in order as a last stop against oppressive government, called for by Constitutional Convention. If a Constitutional Convention was ever called, each state retained the right to reject any new constitution resulting from such. This is exactly what happened to a point with the adoption of the US Constitution. Not all states immediately agreed to to the original US Con, and these each state was completely without any federal or central government until they signed on. There was no 2/3 or % of states needed to ratify it, making it law and mandatory for all states, but rather 2/3 of the state’s votes were needed to be accepted for that majority. Which of course only those states would enter the new union, initially.
Do I need to add more?
Maybe not, but Obama is the most disgusting ghetto homosexual. He is a ghetto product. Seen many just like him from the black ghettos. He might as well wear his pants under his skinny A—–s. Oh, he really thinks he is hot sh—-t. HE IS AS DISGUSTING TO LOOK AT AS A SLIMY SNAIL.
I would say ,I would never turn my back to Obama and pick up dropped soap . He can’t be trusted at all.
I couldn’t watch it past Moochelle’s “slip-up.” The lies these people say is completely mind-blowing. She’s a single mother because those aren’t Obama’s kids, period. She’s his beard, a woman who makes him look like he’s not a fag. Whatever the truth is, it always comes out in the end. We will NEVER give up on getting to the truth where this very dangerous man is concerned. Yeah, he’s the most dangerous man who could ever be in the oval office. To think he’s got his finger on the nuclear button scares the hell out of me.
Agree! I don’t think he’s even real concerned anymore that some of his secrets have been uncovered – including his lifestyle or the strange “wife” he has. Most people in the Chicago area are pretty open about sharing obama’s involvement in the “down low” club and the bath houses, as well as, the “marriage” arranged by a prominent Chicago politician as cover for the lifestyle, the adoption of the girls, the unusual “wife” he has (more unusual than just a “beard”), the voluntary surrender of law licenses by both the obamas to avoid criminal prosecution……Moochelle for participating in facilitating the “redirection” of poor patients to other hospitals so that the hospital at which she earned her $300,000+ salary could improve their bottom line with better reimbursement for the patients they did provide care for…..The hospital paid huge fine and she was given the opportunity to surrender her law license so not as to be prosecuted herself……
And obama having his law license withdrawn for “untruthful” information in his application…. All one really has to do is a search on obama’s early life in Chicago, “M Robinson” (Moochelle’s birth name), and also try “hypnosis techniques used by obama……which helps explain the “kool-aid” he shares. You’ll get some real surprises.
Can you provide links to anything that documents these charges? Thanks.
Dude, I used to live in Riverside, it was common knowledge that he’s gay, everybody knew and knows it up there.
2) I’m looking for confirmation on the loss of law licenses and huge fines paid.
If you go to http://www.iardc.org which is the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission, a state office, you should be able to search by name (which I have done) and find the documentation. It does boil down to them both being given the option of surrendering their law licenses…he because he falsified information on his application for his license, and she opted to surrender hers because a judge gave her that option or he was going to prosecute her for insurance fraud. I see many on here have used the bar association to verify some of their information, which is fine as far as it goes, but the bar association is a professional organization for lawyers, much like the AMA is for physicians. They aren’t really in the disciplinary business although they will drop you as a member if you don’t have a license to practice. BTW, sorry but I’m tech challenged as far as providing “links”. I’ve never learned how to do that but that web address is a good one. You seem pretty savvy about stuff. Maybe you could teach me.
Thanks for the compliment, but I’m not savvy enough to find the information you refer to — which is why I keep asking others for documentation.
I’ve repeatedly been to the site you cite. I’ve yet to find anything other than voluntarily retired and voluntarily inactive. If there’s dirt, I’ve yet to see the shovel that uncovered it.
I’m open to wherever the facts may lead. But without some type of contradictory documentation (and the site you link would be a mighty fine start), the facts are what can be counted on.
All you retarded liberals should be real proud of yourselves. You elected America’s first coke sniffing, faggot to the highest position in our govt. Now you all will get to “pay the piper” for your ignorance! Unfortunately, a lot of us who were smart enough to not fall for his line of crap, will have to pay also. So as we follow the same path as did Rome, I will at least have the satisfaction of knowing that you libs will have it harder because most of us conservatives have been getting ready for the total collapse of our country.
I don’t think very many people on this website voted for the EVIL one,I know I never have and NEVER will agree with anything that comes out of that rotted,vile,disgusting,demented mouth!!!
I would LOVE to see him waxed and put in the “Ripleys Believe It Or Not” museum where he can no longer kill and destroy everything he touches or has anything to do with!
I’ve just had it with all of them!!!
EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO TO REV. WRIGHT PAGE AND LOOK UP THE CHURCH GROUP THAT IS IN THE HOMO PROGRAM OF DOWN LOW!!! OBUMMMER BELONGED TO THIS GROUP OF HOMO’S BEING MADE TO LOOK REAL BY PARTNERING THEM UP WITH FEMALES TO BE RESPECTFULL IN THE PUBLICS EYES! REAL HOT STORY!
This issue is long past speculation! There is absolute proof, and witnesses, that have come forward to state for a fact that he was , or is, a member of the Chicago Homo Bath House scene. Rev Wright assisted in the cover up so he could enter politics, and also arranged his marriage to Cheetah. Some deaths have occurred during this cover up also! He has been outed for a long time!
Ya’ll are not even getting the half of it.
Dear Michell has actually had a sex change and was formerly known as Michael.
Much more info available here:
BTW– Guess whose Birth Certificate is missing?
Also note, the Obama’s children are adopted.
Note there are virtually no pictures of Michell as a youngster, less than a handful, and few while attending college. Seems the Obama massa’s redone just enuff pics to say they existed and to make Michael Michell. It works TWO ways though…
For fun a re-enhanced picture:
Michael- Deo Vindicabamur
But there are pictures of Michael Lanmier Robinson – the male part of Michelle. He played football in Oregon before transgender surgery transformed him into Michelle.
I knew, even before Obama got in to office underhandedly, that he was a homo and crack head. The S O B needs to be indicted or Impeached. When are Democrats going to stop being brain dead? Or maybe it is their greed for money. All in all, they will burn in hell. Bad WILLl come to them
Read an article recently that said Michelle was born “Michel”…..
What the heck. No one has yet mentioned one glaring fact. Two of his homo bed buddies were murdered days before his announcement to run for the presidency. The best silencer of someone ready to come forth with inflammatory information about someone is death. Obama had these two silenced, just like he did his grandmother who was to publicly come forth about her being present in Kenya at Obama’s birth. I wonder if anyone investigated their deaths.
No moral compass, reeling from the discovery of sin, debauchery, treason and corruption, has this decadence in the government got you upset?….Buckey
Until WTP decide to take the bull by the horns and force the issue to recover our representation, regain the rule of law and remember we have a representative Republic with a envied Constitution to put us back on a moral path, the lack of character WTP are failing to show is going to make things even worse…make plans to enter into a crap kicking contest or plan on a third world country.
Yes, Obama is a homosexual. There are pictures of him with friends in the gay “Bath Houses” in Chicago from the days he was a Community Organizer. You have to go to the Archives because he has tried to erase all the records, but they are there.
Even in Uganda they termed America and Bo to be Sodomites. Everyone in this world knows. The question is will you serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah or will you follow the Sodomites into Hell? As for me and my family, we will follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Cast down Sodomites this day.
Actually they both gave up their law licence. Who does that? It was said to have been because he used different names and stated he never had used another name before. Then there were some odd real estate and SS#s supposed to have encouraged their giving up these licences. It has been said that they did this to keep from being in trouble with the law review board. It was supposed to have been serious. They did give them up themselves, though from what I have read for whatever reason.
Moochelle got forced into giving up her license so as not to be criminally charged with fraud. The hospital at which she worked with obama was in Illinis Senate was charged with fraud by Medicare and Feds; it was part of Moochelle’s job to get poor patients who presented to the hospital for care – sent to other hospitals as the reimbursement for poor patients was significantly lower than private pay patients. After an extensive investigation the hospital had to pay a huge fine. Since Moochelle was directly involved in this, she agreed to surrender her law license so that the Feds didn’t prosecute her personally in this fraud case. So—–it was not “being encouraged” to give up her license, but a requirement so as not be prosecuted in a fraud case.
I think the info you’re sharing about “real estate” and “using different names” is a totally different (and yet another” situation the obamas were in the middle of.
Obama himself submitted a fraudaulent application for his law license; the incorrect information was caught, and he was denied a law license!
So – neither of them “gave themselves up” at all. Info all available in Chicago newspapers files.
I get very frustrated with the obama’s having excuses for everything – which always makes light of what actually happened.
Re: “Moochelle got forced into giving up her license so as not to be criminally charged with fraud. ”
If that were true, don’t you think that John McCain or Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan would have said so? If that were true, don’t you think that the National Review and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck would have said so?
In fact, it is not true.
The one thing i do not understand is …..Just because they gave up thier right to serve as lawyers doen’t mean that they aren’t still guilty ! But, In politics as usual , they slipped through the cracks like Hillery . She alone is about the worthless Unethical lying scumbag lawyer that ever was . Ethically speaking , None of them should be allowed to hold any office but, what difference at this point does it make ? Stupid peep’s voted like a bunch of idiots with blinders on , with blind folded ignorance, just because he’s a 1/2 black Muslim , we’re doomed if he is allowed to hold office to completion ! ……………The rest is freakin’ history ! His best acheivment to date is he is the biggest liar that ever perpetrated the presidency and convinced even the smartest people in the world ! Romney on the other hand , deserved a chance at righting all the wrongs that have been in the making for such a long time by our government DEMOcratic politicians !
Meant to spell license as license. I have NO excuse as George Bush was not in town. He couldn’t have done it.
Its well know in Chicago that he was a bathhouse queen. What does Reggie Love call Obama’s ears?
Answer:: love handles
They used to mock him (the blacks in Chicago) and called him bath house barry and cake boy. He is a lifetime member (from what I have read) of the Down Low club–a homosexual bath house in Chicago. This boy’s mama told about her son being murdered because he was mixed up with Obama as a lover, etc. There were several people from that church murdered who were gay and pals with obama. I do not believe this dead boy’s mama would lie about something like that. The Hill Buzz has all the dirt about it. This guy Kevin is an openly gay conservative who gets inside information and seems to know all about this mess.
Make one want to puke, I can’t stand to even look at the S.O.B.
Larry Sinclair is very fortunate to still be breathing (at least I hope he’s still with us)….a brave individual who, although a lifelong democrat and an admitted drug dealer and homosexual, put his life and his reputation on the line for the sole purpose of doing the right thing for the country….Donald Young and another chicago homosexual, who’s name escapes me right now, were not as lucky.
Some of us knew in 2008, that we were about to be witness to the greatest hoax and most corrupt take-over of any “civilized” country in the history of the world…all courtesy of the muzzbrohood owner/operators of barack hussein obama….now, can the (sane 50%) of the American public find the backbone to stop the muslim thug in his tracks, as the Egyptians have done over there?
Larry Sinclair was murdered right before he was to appear in court or make a statement about Ovomit and who he is…just look up all the news about Larry’s death. I’ll get the info again and if you want it just email me or send a message to me on here and I will give you the info.
Please provide the details. Metapedia says nothing about Sinclair being dead, and Sinclair’s own site
lsnewsgroup.com shows an article written by Sinclair four days ago (August 15).
What details do you have?
JoAnn523, There are various reports that he was killed in a hit and run on 13th Nov, 2011 but they are incorrect and corrected some way down the article here -
I have his book and have connection via Linkedin and consequently see his activity from time to time and as recently as 1st Aug. Search at Linkedin for “Lawrence (Larry) Sinclair”.
Thanks too to others for some very interesting information. Keep up the good work!
Remember though that we fight not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Larry Sinclair is still alive. He runs a news website, he was also on James Manning’s show before the election last year.
On the on hand liberals declare the disgusting acts of a homosexual to be completely normal, on the other hand they act shocked and outraged that anyone would believe that Obama participated in these acts.
So is abnormal the new normal or not ?
Why are people acting so surprised , the truth about Obama has been out there in the open when he was a Senator and when he ran for president they were running around like crazy covering everything up , Yes he the Muslim Brotherhood, George Serous, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the Clintons stole the elections , had several gallant American Hero’s locked up Lt Col. Terry Liken , and a Corporal were both dishonorably discharged and imprisoned for questioning Obama the Col after 19 + years of service , Obama who has never done anything for this country but try to ruin it getting rid of our Constitution and our freedoms . Now Congress says they could impeach him but they are afraid the senate would shoot id down because they fear looking stupid for not impeaching him during the first term when all of us were requesting his impeachment . Lets impeach and imprison the whole lot of them for TREASON now , Believe me thery look stupider not impeaching him now they admit they know he is a fraud !!
The problem here isn’t whether Obama is guilty of these things are not. The many problems stems from the fact that no one in congress or government will even give the time of day to investigate of consider or even discuss any possibility of Obama doing anything wrong. Oh, sure you have all the talk about the IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the NSA, all the BIG issues that makes a good cover to divert any attention from the real underlying and basic problems. So basic are those problems that his birth certificate and presidential qualifications from his ancestry will not be properly addressed. (That was the subject of the gigantic thread about Coward Congressmen. BTW, that thread is pushing 1000 total posts.)
So here we are discussing Obama’s sex life and his attorney’s license and people seems to think they are gonna get some kind of action from congress or the courts on this. Just as I said about Obama’s birth certificate and eligibility, guilty as he is, no federal agency, including the courts and congress is gonna do the first thing about any of it. As we discussed in the other thread, all of congress and the courts are in on the coverup of Barack Obama, aka, Barry Soetoro. So, don’t expect any help from congress or the courts against Obama. Matter of fact, don’t expect anything negative that could be cause to impeach Obama to ever make it through congress or the courts. Obama has been hand picked and groomed for this job, and those responsible for this are not about to let any of you get in their way. But I also understand you have to try something, and I don’t blame any of you for trying. Matter of fact, I wish you well in your endeavors.
Obama belonged to Rev Wright’s “gay caballeros” group very early on. Wright assisted in “arranging” marriages between his gay group and the outside world so the gay group could present themselves as normal family guys within the black community which is VERY anti-gay male. At least 3 of Obama’s male partners died of very mysterious circumstances from the time he entered the presidential race to the time he was nominated. Purely coincidental of course.
If obozo isn’t the anti-christ; he’s one of his close assistants.
I wouldn’t flatter Gay RESIDENT O’HAMMA by EVEN allowing an association between him and Satan.
Remember, to O’HAMMA this is a HIGH COMPLIMENT, so don’t even give this POS the time of day. He’s an evil, murdering SOB, isn’t he Momma O’HAMMA ????
I hope all you liberals are proud of your first black president!!!!!!!!!!!
No need for Obama’s thugs to kill you now, all the media including Fox is covering up for him.
Communists in Congress? Just count ‘em
Book names names, details strategies to ‘transform’ U.S.
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Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D., is a WND senior staff reporter. He has authored many books, including No. 1 N.Y. Times best-sellers “The Obama Nation” and “Unfit for Command.” Corsi’s latest book is the forthcoming “What Went Wrong?: The Inside Story of the GOP Debacle of 2012 … And How It Can Be Avoided Next Time.”
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NEW YORK – New Zealander Trevor Loudon has just published an encyclopedic new 689-page volume, “The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the U.S. Congress,” to accompany his 668-page 2011 book, “Barack Obama and the Enemies Within.”
In both volumes, Loudon has proved himself to be among the foremost experts in the world investigating and reporting the penetration of communists, socialists and the current group of “progressives” affiliated with Democratic Party politics who portray themselves as liberals.
In his 2011 book, Loudon presented documented evidence that Barack Obama’s rise in politics was not an accident, but a conscious, decade-long effort by the radical left to promote a candidate with African roots. Obama, he said, was packaged as an engaging and seemingly harmless Trojan Horse radical, sent to Chicago to refine his skills running for office as a Democratic Party politician.
It is impossible to read “Barack Obama and the Enemies Within” without being convinced that Obama’s education in communist ideology stretches from the extracurricular education he received from Communist Party mentor Frank Marshall Davis in Honolulu to his recruitment as a New Party candidate in Chicago, with strong ties to the Democratic Socialists of America.
Loudon continues naming names in his current volume, “The Enemies Within,” which documents how extensively communists, socialists and progressives have penetrated the U.S. Congress, running on the Democratic Party ticket.
The goal of these radicals in Congress, Loudon demonstrates, is the same goal Obama announced when running for president in 2008, to transform the United States from the constitutional republic established by its Founding Fathers into a radical socialist state. The aim is to be achieved through passing extensive social welfare legislation designed to bankrupt a government adhering to concepts of private property and private enterprise.
In an insightful essay on the Democratic Socialists of America, Loudon emphasizes the impact on U.S. radicals of the late Italian Communist Party theoretician Antonio Gramsci, whose writings from prison declared that the “working class revolution” is a dead end, arguing instead that communism can best be achieved “by infiltrating civil society – political parties, churches, labor unions, universities, the media, community groups, etc., to turn them into revolutionary vehicles.”
Similarly, Loudon documents how the Communist Party of the USA itself has adopted a stealth plan to achieve revolutionary goals by decisions made in the 1970s to infiltrate and manipulate the Democratic Party. The plan is to form alliances with the radical elements in organized labor in conjunction with radicals in the African-American community and the feminist movement to establish a progressive coalition on the left that could dominate the national political agenda for decades to come.
His essay on the Institute for Policy Studies provides extensive evidence that the IPS, operating today with the distinction of being oldest – founded in 1963 – and most influential of the far left “think tanks” in Washington, D.C., “works closely with several U.S. Marxist groups, but is particularly close to the Democratic Socialists of America.”
The congressional profiles of current members of Congress provides extensive evidence of radical leftist ties in the backgrounds of top Democratic Party legislators, including Democratic Party Sens. Barbara Boxer, Dick Durbin, Tom Harkin, Barbara Mikulski, Elizabeth Warren, Ed Markey, Debbie Stabenow, Al Franken, Sherrod Brown, Ron Wyden, Jeff Merkley, Patty Murray and Tammy Baldwin.
In the House of Representatives, Loudon profiles the radical left background of Democratic Party Reps. Nancy Pelosi, Louis Gutierrez, John Conyers, Charles Rangel, Marcy Kaptur, Peter DeFazio, Sheila Jackson Lee, Jim McDermott and dozens more.
Loudon’s profiles of the radical lawmakers is extensively footnoted, complete with photos, news clips, website screen captures and quotations from published sources that leave no doubt as to the authenticity and accuracy of his allegations.
In documenting the success with which the radical left has captured the politically correct core of Democratic Party politics since the 1970s and the end of the Vietnam War, Loudon joins bestselling author Paul Kengor, who published in 2010 “Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Conservatives for a Century,” followed in 2012 by “The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis, The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor.”
What authors Loudon and Kengor show is that communism in America did not die with the fall of the Berlin Wall. It is alive and well, with ties that run deep today with Barack Obama in the White House and the radical leftist Democrats serving in the halls of Congress.
Loudon will be in Washington, D.C., at the National Press Club Aug. 20 to participate in the all day conference “The Crisis in American Journalism and the Conservative Response,” hosted by the public policy group America’s Survival Inc.
Joining Loudon, who is listed on the program to speak about his book “The Enemies Within,” will be Kengor, presenting his new book, “All the Dupes Fit to Print: Journalists Who Have Served as Tools of Communist Propaganda.”
What ??? obama a HOMO ???
Of COURSE he is !!!
Moochelle is just a front to his Gay Way….. He certainly LOOKS Gay….
real truthers have known this since 2008-2009 and Larry still maintains the same story
yet the msm ignores this – even after obama came out for the gay agenda! why? because of the sexual lust of the people in the media, they believe that it’s okay to have sex with whomever you want
part of the propaganda pushed by communists = that this Christian nation was founded by freedoms for sexual lusts – WRONG! it’s a lie from satan himself
KGB/FSB agent tells you how America got infiltrated and why we have a communist muslim gay president in the white house
Yuri Bezmenov: Deception Was My Job
We have a lying Murderous Muslim, homosexual, crack head, foreign born scum for President. Were democrats asleep or deaf and blind in the beginning or did they just not care. This is not news to me. I know Obama’s kind. Bet he wears gauze in his bum from too much activity. This is so disgusting. What the hell does it take to have Obama impeached or indicted and thrown in prison????????. Guess the only way he will be gone is by a piece of steal faster than lightening. Wishful thinking.
Seems like Obama likes them Big Boys riding him hot and hard!
Some of you want proof. What you want? A picture of someone sucking on his barak bar? Pics can be photochopped. If it is not enough that more than one person has stood and proclaimed events that declare Obama a gay man, and he sure looks like one, what do you require? There has been enough incidents to point to the truth of him being a homo, but without definite evidence you will not believe it? Why would people stand up and lie, incriminate themselves, and put themselves in danger of death, as many have died for getting in Obama’s way. Wake UP!
I want the Traitor Homo, Obama, taken out and Publically Executed and Nationaly Televised! I want to record it so I can watch the Most Dangerous Domestic Enemy Die over and over!
Different strokes for different folks and while some of us prefer the pole and some prefer the hole Obama isn’t selfish he loves both of them. I could care less who he sleeps with or who gives him a BJ or whatever but what I do care about is the fact he is in the White House and he is an illegal alien and is not entitled to be in the Oval office and the fact of money he spends on vacations, of the money he and his woman spend on trips and they just think this is their money the way he is giving it to the Muslims, the black farmers and anyone else he wants to. Dump him because he is dangerous and we do not need him in our White House or our government or in charge of this great country.
Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick S.O.B. Puke, puke, puke, puke, puke. No wonder he is so much in favor of gay rights that he has to rub our faces in it. If we ever get our WH back is there enough sterilization products to get that place clean and fumigated? We may have to abandon our beautiful house and start all over.
Bland and Spencer also died
. Michelle is a “beard” for him. Wright set them up.
“C’mon, Michelle…roll over and take it like a man.”
To me, it’s not whether Lincoln was much better than Obama…..it is the fact that we could be doing so much better if there hadn’t been all the cheating such as rigged voting machines, multiple voting by countless voters, the numbers of dead people votes, animal votes, and the refusal to accept the absentee votes of the military overseas. There was massive cheating in both elections and if picture ID is not implemented at all voter locations, we shall have another fiasco in 2016. There is far too much fraud where BHO is involved!
“To me, it’s not whether Lincoln was much better than Obama…”
You are quiet right in your statement.
However I was pointing out quiet a bit more. It is because Lincoln set the precedents of fraudulent elections and breaking the US Constitution and committing treason that it became possible to Obama to do so, and much easier.
For example, the first time you do something, learning something or acting something, one is is somewhat hesitant if they are doing the right things and they often times second guess themselves. However after they’ve done it several times they become more comfortable with the routine and think eventually think little about it, until it becomes accepted as natural or the way it always been or supposed or be. And so it is with the crimes and precedents set forth by Lincoln. Those original crimes something that caused a war then is now completely accepted as truth and Lincoln is made out to be a saint and angel. All the while his executive orders have become so common DC can’t operate without them, and for the most asinine of reasons they are implemented. Yet originally those Executive Orders were illegal and unconstitutional and Lincoln got away with it. He also set the precedents for how the US Constitution was interpreted, from originally being read strictly and literally to now being read as a Living and Relative Document, subject to change with whoever is in power having the backing to do so.
And there is of course the moral precedents established by Lincoln, him being a drunk, anti-Christian, drug user, illegitimate baby not knowing who his real father was, he was a politician for hire to the highest paying people or organizations. He was a queer just like Obama and he was a Marxist just like Obama.
Many people will claim as I’ve already read here, that Obama’s private sex life is his business and we shouldn’t judge him by that criteria. But I say NO, we MUST judge him by criteria in order to help avoid another Lincoln. Not only avoiding another Lincoln but anyone who puts themselves up for public hire, especially as a politician MUST have standards and morals fit to guide all of of society because it is the determination of society which determines the morality of society proper. It is mandatory that one does judge as many moral qualities as possible in order they arrive a general consensus as to the viability of any candidate.
For example, if a person is running for public office and he is known to cheat on his wife; what does that tell you about how he thinks of other people, by the way he treats his wife? Even more so change that to felon. Would you trust a felon to run your country, state, locality? Same applies for any other morally deviant person concerning any thing you can think of that is considered immoral. Being immoral simply is not a quality that should qualify a person for public office, but it should disqualify him.
And sadly, these immoralities and unconstitutional precedents have accumulated and grown to the point the system is no longer capable of handling the strain. All because of the simply reason one person was let off the hook for his crimes against his country, another country and humanity, all in the name of him saving the union, which was nothing less than an excuse for him to fulfill his obligations to his masters/bank-rollers. Lincoln even said himself yet no one will accept what he says, “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic.” And I keep asking every one of you; which is more important, saving the union or saving the Republic? And no one will answer me; why? In asking this question over the past several years I have not the first person, up and give me an answer on their own.
So, now you see the results today and those same type people who started the trouble then are wide open today doing the same things, continually stirring up problems and committing further unconstitutional acts, building upon those they first committed over 150 years ago.
It’s not that one was any better or worse than the other. In reality Obama and Lincoln are the same person, only in different time periods. And the same can be applied to the Bushes and McCain and Romney, if you look deep enuff into their souls….. And sadly there is now no way out of this mess except war.. Which can be summed up as a continuance of where the last one left off. And that is why the war is not over. (Do read my post here concerning General Patrick Cleburne and you will see why last statement is true.)
I would like to point out that I don’t believe there were such things as birth certificates when Lincoln was born (hatched? reptile bastard!) I have not confirmed that at all, this is just shooting from the hip. I did hear that marriage licenses were only for interracial marriages to establish patrimony regarding inheritance and no one else even thought of asking the state for permission to marry or proof that they were married. An entry in the family Bible was all the proof needed. I did read “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo. What a shock! Then I read “Shay’s Rebellion: The Last Battle of the Revolutionary War” and that was the icing on the cake. Just to stimulate some research, why was it so necessary for the “founding fathers” to meet in secret in Philadelphia? What was such a problem with the Aritcles of Confederation that it was necessary to create the federal monster?
I have come to regard the federal constitution as the CON – stitution. And what happened to our so-called republic when Congress walked out sine die right before the War of Northern Agression? Lincoln destroyed the republic but the winners just pretended that everything was the same except that everyone knew that the federal monster with its foreign mercenaries was ready to kill to keep its power.
One more point: We can’t blame everything on Barry the queer. Look at the hordes of Homeland Security (Hitler and Stalin would have been proud of that name), FBI, SWAT teams, Border Patrol, the militarized police operating under a central command who are itching to kill when the command is given. Very few tyrants actually murder. Instead there is a willing army of thugs the tyrants manage to feed at the expense of the indended victims. Orwell (Blair) and Solzhenitsyn documented how tyrannies operate. Trace it all back to Satan, who desires to kill mankind, and God Satan’s creator, who looses Satan on an apostate people. God is not happy about the official policy of torturing 50,000,000 more or less babies to death in and near the womb and I might point out that the scum in charge is more or less our just deserts. This battle can only be won by repentance and acknowledgement that God, the one and only God who has acted in history, leaves irrefutable evidence of creation, whose prophecies come true, etc. and saves his elect from his wrath by grace alone, cannot be happy with us as a people. It was only through a tacit accept of his commandments that this country has turned out to be so bountiful, but now we are spending our capital, we are falling behind, because we turned away from our whole reason for living – to glorify God.
That is why we had an Abraham Lincoln and today have a queer in chief and the gutless immoral squirming mass of predatory larvae feeding on their own excrement that call themselves government.
“I would like to point out that I don’t believe there were such things as birth certificates when Lincoln was born (hatched? reptile bastard!)”
Interesting and true point. It does make one wonder who Lincoln’s real father was because nobody really knows and his mother met his adoptive father after he was born.
It is even mentioned and thought by some people, that Lincoln was born in North Carolina.
Which does bring up another interesting question that I have never studied; I wonder how a person’s Natural Born Citizenship was considered and verified through the legal process in order to run for president. I say this especially by the fact that qualifications of being a Natural Born US Citizen are stricter when being vetted for president. You pose an interesting set of questions though, which I have never studied that aspect of.
“I have not confirmed that at all, this is just shooting from the hip. I did hear that marriage licenses were only for interracial marriages to establish patrimony regarding inheritance and no one else even thought of asking the state for permission to marry or proof that they were married. An entry in the family Bible was all the proof needed.”
Any license issued was not so much a license itself but a request that could or could not be acceptable to the authorities/government. A license then was simply a proof that a request had been granted.
Most all people then either noted their marriages in the Bible, which is still legal today, and can be used as a certificate of marriage, or they simply *shacked up*, moved in together. Different churches and religions had different requirements for marriage, but everyone agreed then, it was none of the state’s business who married who unless certain criteria made such a compact controvertible. That is the case concerning mixed races and some intermixing of religions, as it caused controversy in the more settled areas. In which case people demanded proof such marriages were noted as being *different*. Such license could be shown later as proof for future legalities such as inheritance, property and money settlements, as well as proving those people were not commonly thought of as normal every day citizens.
“I did read “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo. What a shock! Then I read “Shay’s Rebellion: The Last Battle of the Revolutionary War” and that was the icing on the cake.”
I read quiet a lot form Tom DiLorenzo. One of the best Classical Historians out there. I am also friends with another Classical Historian, Al Benson, who wrote the book, “Lincoln’s Marxists”. That has been the most eye opening book I ever read. My jaws dropped and I shook my head through most of the book. I thought I was somewhat knowledgeable about Lincoln and the Republican Party, and I was to a point, but this book was amazing. I ended up making friends with Al Benson because of it. We write each other occasionally.
things are definitely not taught the way they truthfully were. Not by any means of the imagination. Look at DiLorenzo’s book, “Lincoln Unmasked” as just an introduction to what Al Benson writes you. The worst part today is, people hasn’t a clue and they believe Lincoln was the saint that saved the nation. In reality he was the demon that destroyed it! Even Lincoln himself claims he destroyed and said he hoped he was never put on trial for what he had done. (He had no problems as long as the Marxist Republican Party, especially with the Radical republicans, stayed in power.)
“Just to stimulate some research, why was it so necessary for the “founding fathers” to meet in secret in Philadelphia? What was such a problem with the Aritcles of Confederation that it was necessary to create the federal monster?”
Actually, in largest part it was Alexander Hamilton who pushed for a new Constitution to replace the AoC. Read DiLorenzo’s book, “Hamilton’s Curse”.
Hamilton was actually Jewish who had connections with the Rothschilds Bankers in England. The AoC was a document that severely limited the ability of foreign influence through any banking system, which meant that as long as the AoC existed the Rothschilds would never have influence in the country of the united States. Nor would any banker to any large degree. Of course there were some minor weaknesses in the AoC but it was strong enuff to guide the 13 colonies through a war successful war with England. And many people such as Lee and Henry argued heavily against the adoption of the US Constitution citing its’ weaknesses were more flawed than that of the AoC. In the end they have been proven correct.
I have come to regard the federal constitution as the CON – stitution. And what happened to our so-called republic when Congress walked out sine die right before the War of Northern Aggression?”
Michael: It was a Con in the end. It had several flaws but what Is see as the biggest mistake itself is not so much in the US Con, but rather the presumption that the framers of it assumed that the people would remain moral and knowledgeable enuff to keep the Genie in the bottle, so-to-speak. In the end the framers simply left the issue of morality and staying informed protecting the US Con up to the people themselves without ever considering that it is the morality and nature of people to distort and circumvent and laws as they develop the ability to do so, amkng the US Con susceptible to interpretational abuse. Meaning it was written to vaguely and loosely to carry and sustain the literal weight of reinterpretation over time. The AoC were much more strictly written, thus better able to resist the assaults from such people as Hamilton and the bankers.
The institution of the 1st Federal reserve Bank of the USA by Washington at the urging of Hamilton was the first flaw exposed by the new US Con. It didn’t take Hamilton long to start his corrupting of the document. But this time it was legal and it showed that anyone had to be extremely knowledgeable in all areas, making no mistakes in order to avoid bad laws.
The first and biggest breech of the US Con was by Lincoln in him denying the State’s Right of secession. Secession is the very last option available to the states in order to avoid unconstitutional and tyrannical laws being forced upon them by the Federal Government. It can now be shown that the right of secession is needed if a Constitutional Convention is ever assembled. For that is the ONLY way any state would have the final say in completely nullifying a new US Con if they so profoundly disagreed with it. And this was what was actually done in a sense as the 13 states ratified the US Con. as North Carolina and Rhode Island almost didn’t join the new union. Matter of fact Rhode Island was threatened, that no state in the new union would be allowed to trade with her if she didn’t join. That was what decided Rhode Island’s fate in joining the union. I ask; why didn’t the other states simply say Rhode Island had no choice but to join? Why not threaten Rhode Island with military force if she didn’t join? The point being it was the right of secession or that of being a sovereign country that allowed any state to say no to joining the union. I ask; where does it say any state cannot be allowed to leave the union once they join? It was Lincoln who destroyed this whole concept of State’s Rights under a Republic, and he even said, “In saving the union I have destroyed the Republic.” From that time the precedent had been established that the Federal Gov would continue to grow stronger as the State’s power to say no became weaker and now almost non-existent. We see the rest of the results today also from Lincoln’s treasons against ALL the states.
“Lincoln destroyed the republic but the winners just pretended that everything was the same except that everyone knew that the federal monster with its foreign mercenaries was ready to kill to keep its power.”
Pretending everything was the same was part of *Reconstruction* and the people in the North, the victors were more easily fooled than the Southerners. Northern people didn’t feel threatened or that that were being controlled and dominated by any outside force, which the Southerners did. Southerners, especially politicians were always on the lookout for new ways the Northern Republicans and Radicals would cheat them with any new law. Making matters worse the Southern governments until shortly after 1880 were controlled and dominated by Northern installed politicians who were bleeding and cheating the states dry of every bit of money and property they could obtain, both legally and illegally. Southern people of that time became very leery and distraught over what they saw as an Imperial power dictating their lives to them. All the while it was very happy times by the victors and the spoils of war they brought back to enrich themselves. To those in the North they pretended as if everything remained the same and ignored anything that placed any doubt or hardship on them, leaving themselves open to massive propaganda and manipulation.
“One more point: We can’t blame everything on Barry the queer. Look at the hordes of Homeland Security (Hitler and Stalin would have been proud of that name), FBI, SWAT teams, Border Patrol, the militarized police operating under a central command who are itching to kill when the command is given. Very few tyrants actually murder. Instead there is a willing army of thugs the tyrants manage to feed at the expense of the indended victims. Orwell (Blair) and Solzhenitsyn documented how tyrannies operate.
Noam Chomsky said it best; 95% of the people will follow any government and do whatever they are told as long as it put’s food on the table, clothes on their backs, a car in the driveway and gives them some leisure time. They care not who runs the government or what kind it is.
While I would love to catch Noam Chomsky in a debate, he is exactly right on his statement above. (I loosely restated it.) Most people only follow orders which is why people as whole is referred to as SHEEPLE. People want to pretend they know so much and are so independent and self-sufficient, they think they are experts in most everything, and with no training whatsoever. (I don’t necessarily mean higher eduction but even self education, or informed having commonsense to make rightful judgments in any way.) While in reality people are ignorant, superstitious, have doubts of themselves and desperately wants to be part of any group in order to not look out of place, which only justifies their beliefs of self-righteousness over those who in any minority. So it is completely normal for members of the FBI, DHS, SWAT or any government agency to act like the big bad bullies they are. They are NOT out of place at all from the standpoint, that is what and how the government wants them to be and they are JUST following orders, being one of the sheeple. Sadly it is like the blind leading the blind..
“Trace it all back to Satan, who desires to kill mankind, and God Satan’s creator, who looses Satan on an apostate people. God is not happy about the official policy of torturing 50,000,000 more or less babies to death in and near the womb and I might point out that the scum in charge is more or less our just deserts.”
Yes it all goes back to Satan himself. But there are reasons for this. Reasons we cannot fully know at this time. Yet we are because of those reasons and we have a job to do in accomplishing those reasons. I have my ideas as to those reasons, but so too does other people. The thing is, Obama and every other harlot of a leader through history has only been allowed power because God allowed it for reasons only He fully understands at present. Remember: some of my favorite passages of the Bible are from Solomon and him stating everything is in its’ season, or everything has its’ season. I like to also say with that, that every season has a reason and there is a time and place for everything because there is a reason. (Play those verses around and you’ll be amazed.)
“This battle can only be won by repentance and acknowledgement that God, the one and only God who has acted in history, leaves irrefutable evidence of creation, whose prophecies come true, etc. and saves his elect from his wrath by grace alone, cannot be happy with us as a people. It was only through a tacit accept of his commandments that this country has turned out to be so bountiful, but now we are spending our capital, we are falling behind, because we turned away from our whole reason for living – to glorify God.”
The battle is already won, we just haven’t witnessed the results of it first hand yet. In reality there is nothing to convert and no one to save. That is because God already knows the outcome and has allotted for the consequences. The problem really is, we as people don’t know those results and we try to follow vaguely His writings, all the while our enemies are trying to twist and deceive us as to what those writings really means. Yet there is nothing that is gonna happen that God hasn’t already planned for. And He has already said NOT ONE of His shall be lost. I ask; how is one to witness and save someone when it has already been determined? And we have even been foretold of it!
“That is why we had an Abraham Lincoln and today have a queer in chief and the gutless immoral squirming mass of predatory larvae feeding on their own excrement that call themselves government.”
Don’t forget Lincoln was a queer himself! He was also a heavy drunk, a drug addict, a Marxist, a high profile lawyer and not a poor one. He got the nickname as “Honest Abe” because of his dishonesty in the courts and in politics. He was NOT Christian as both he and his wife dappled in the occult. He was born a bastard and stayed that way all his life. And he destroyed a nation. Now, how can people make this man out to be a saint is beyond me… And you are seeing the final results of his handy work today with Obama. But all the other presidents since Lincoln played roles also.
JESSE JACKSON, WRIGHT ‘ARRANGED’ OBAMA MARRIAGE. Why else is he pushing for gay marriage except for votes???
BO has spewed more lies from his mouth than a thief in the night.
Obama is not only a pervert, Obama is a dangerous pervert.
Maybe the worst ever -
I listened to this and blew a gasket …..
DHS Employee: 2008 Election Rigged For Obama
“I listened to this and blew a gasket …..
DHS Employee: 2008 Election Rigged For Obama”
OK I’ll bite. Where did you find this?
But I already knew it, I just never heard it from a DHS employee.
I found it on Youtube .
The Constitution was founded on the principles of truth being known by all so they could make well informed decisions PERIOD, end of story !!!
When the Truth is Suppressed we get this kind of stuff , I listened to this and blew a gasket …..
BUT when you consider the Globalist Elite WHO want worldwide Population Control policy promoting Gay rights is a great way to divert child birth so they planted a POTUS they figured could sell the idea with the least amount of resistance.
Here is a couple stories to collaborate the idea that the Globalists are using homosexuality as a population control tool .
“…The Constitution was founded on the principles of truth being known by all so they could make well informed decisions PERIOD, end of story !!!
When the Truth is Suppressed we get this kind of stuff , I listened to this and blew a gasket …..
BUT when you consider the Globalist Elite WHO want worldwide Population Control policy promoting Gay rights is a great way to divert child birth so they planted a POTUS they figured could sell the idea with the least amount of resistance….”
Absolutely correct and I wholeheartedly agree with you!
I’ve studied much on this in the past also.
I was just interested in the specific link/video.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
The Moving parts of Population control are worldwide ….
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Both he and Michelle “dropped” or “returned” their license to practice law which obviated why their licenses were threatened to be removed. Probably something truly egregious – in his case because we have no proof he ever got a law degree (every time he opens his mouth I cringe since I worked for great attorneys for over 50 years), and she because of Affirmative Action. She obviously has more brains than he, but then again his brain was choomed out of existence long before. Both were chosen to sit in our WH no matter how we voted, so we were big time scammed. Now, we need to get them out of our WH now and spit in the face of their supporters and puppeteers who thought America was now weak enough to be taken. NOT! NEVER!
Be careful of replying to Playrighter. He will suck you into trying to explain things to him. He’s a Liberal plant who will ask you repeatedly to give him proof for everything you say. When you explain the truth to him he will ask you again and again to explain it to him. You, like me, can not remember everything you ever heard and where you heard it, so you will not be able to reason with him.
I gave up trying to reason with him. My parents taught me to never to fight an unarmed man, so in the battle of wits, I won’t fight him.
Don’t be drawn into his lair, or you could waste a lot of time “talking to the wall”.
Wow. Four days of running away from honest questions, and now a drive-by attack with no substance. (And you call me unarmed?
Four days ago I asked you for FACTS. Now you warn somebody else away from honest discourse? What are you afraid of? If you merely answered an honest question with an honest answer, we could have moved on four days ago. Thanks for showing what you are made of.
Now then, as to your totally baseless (and frankly idiotically delusional) charges. I am not a plant for anyone (although I do eat lots of plants), and no sane person who examines evidence would accuse me of being liberal. A lifelong independent who seeks the truth NO MATTER WHO IT HELPS OR HURTS, I get attacked from BOTH SIDES.
There’s a thing called Disqus. It’s how I was notified of your cowardly drive-by attack here. I suggest you go there and learn yourself a few things. I’ve got over 1,500 comments archived there. Why don’t you check the facts and then come back here and tell us all what you’ve learned. If you have the guts, that is. Then you’ll have to admit that if anybody resembles a plant here, it’s you — putting your myopic mind into a vegetative state rather than examining evidence before making inane charges.
Have fun with YOUR research. Let us all know what you learn. Thanks.
“..Wow. Four days of running away from honest questions, and now a drive-by attack with no substance. (And you call me unarmed? ..”
Yeah right… your friend @ellen asked for facts, and more facts, and more facts, and repeated herself, and repeated herself countless times, BUT after 1000 posts your friend @ellen bit the bullet and left. So, are you now filling in for her?
Do you wanna know what a fact is?
One more time, starting for the next 1000 posts…….
In responding to @ellen I stated:
A FACT is NOT necessarily the truth!
Ellen, did you know that a LIE can also be a FACT?
Want to see an example or two?
It is a FACT that, “War is hell.” Yet it is also a LIE, because there is no such thing as hell. (Even my statement of *hell* being a LIE *can* be considered to be a LIE! But the original quote is still a LIE.)
It is a FACT that, “The united States claimed that the RMS Lusitania was not carrying munitions. Yet it is also a LIE, because truthfully, it was carrying munitions. Yet in this instance the American people were deceived into going to war against Germany because a LIE was stated as a FACT, and repeatedly told to the people, but in fact, TRUTHFULLY it was a LIE! ”
That’s why the term *commonsense* is applied and NEEDED in judging the sum and NOT just listed facts and documents. Problem is here, HUMANISTS does not have any commonsense, only academic knowledge, and that prohibits them from making moral and wise decisions. Also meaning they lack wisdom. Thus they cannot distinguish a fact being either the truth or a lie.
Playwriter, your repeated calls for facts means you lack commonsense. You’re spinning of ice….
Re: “Ellen, did you know that a LIE can also be a FACT?”
Rational people will recognize this statement as a deliberate attempt to mislead. A lie is FALSE; a fact is true. That is common sense, and your attempt to change the subject is obviously an effort to confuse rational people. It is simply a fact that birther sites have not shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961. It is a historical fact that very very few 18-year-olds had passports in 1961 and that Obama’s mother was 18 years old. It is also a historical fact that EXTREMELY few women traveled overseas during the last few months of pregnancy in 1961. So, birthers would like rational people with common sense to ignore the fact that they do not know whether Obama’s mother had a passport and the fact that few 18-year-olds did (and the fact that they did not tell us either of these things, which is an obvious attempt to mislead) and the fact that EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy (and the fact that they did not tell us this fact either, another attempt to mislead). And despite these EXTREMELY low chances that Obama’s mother traveled abroad, they would like people with common sense to believe that Obama’s Hawaii birth certificates (short form and long form) are both forged, and that the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers are forged too, and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying—-and that despite ALL THESE FACTS, Obama was born in a foreign country.
Re LIES being the truth. I suppose that when a birther site LIES and says that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (or that there is a town called “Hawaii” in Kenya, which is the latest absurdity), they are really telling the truth. Their motives must be so high that despite the tape saying over and over “He was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time”, that it is really the “truth” to cut off the tape just before she said that and to claim that she really said that Obama was born in Kenya. I suppose it is really the “truth”, not a lie, to say that Governor Abercrombie said that he could not find Obama’s birth certificate—when he never said any such thing (and when three Hawaii officials all said that Obama’s birth certificate was in the file, where it is supposed to be).
Re me not responding for a few days. Yes, I was away on vacation—anything wrong with that?
IF Obama was born in a foreign country or even there being a reasonable chance. Birthers could answer this question:
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1971], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
Why in the world are you jumping on me? I have no idea who @ellen is, nor have I ever addressed you (to the best of my recollection).
If you note the words above, I had asked jimbo999 for some sources because he offered information I was (and still am) unaware of (that would be, at present, Mr. Bounell and his ownership of a certain home in Hyde Park along with his marriage to a certain Michelle Obama).
jimbo999 then called me a liberal plant, humorously the opposite of what I’ve been called on liberal sites for the same reason: I asked for documentation of claims I did know not, did not understand, or had a hard time wrapping my head around (sometimes fine details, sometimes outright garbage) — but rather than cast aspersions, I politely ask for sources..
I’ll repeat here — for you and jimbo999 — the same challenge I’ve posted elsewhere. Try to find anything I have written that is either untrue or unfair. Let me know what you find. It’s all available and it’s all (to use your words) common sense. If you find a lack, let me know.
Your essay above is interesting. But you picked the wrong target. Thanks, anyway.
As a seeker of truth, I went back over this thread to re-visit past postings (to see if, perhaps, I missed something). Imagine my surprise (and amusement) when I found the following from YOU
1) “I have seen similar claims for years, have repeatedly asked for evidence, yet have never seen any provided. If this is not a lie or a rumor, surely there is evidence, right? Kindly provide it. Thanks.”
I want to be fair about things, and as much as I despise Obama I am only wanting the truth concerning him. I have yet to find any concrete evidence or facts showing those claims to be true in any way. Until then I cannot go this route against Obama.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur”
2) “Ya’ll are not even getting the half of it.
Dear Michell has actually had a sex change and was formerly known as Michael.
Much more info available here:” and “Also note, the Obama’s children are adopted.
Note there are virtually no pictures of Michell as a youngster, less than a handful, and few while attending college. Seems the Obama massa’s redone just enuff pics to say they existed and to make Michael Michell. It works TWO ways though… Michael- Deo Vindicabamur”
First you agree that facts are needed. Then you post very dubious charges. Then you go out of your way to attack me for requesting facts. What are you smoking?
I owe you an apology. I wrote before I read all your articles and acted to hastily by the comments of another. However I will stick to my comments about evidence. I say this because you and I are looking at what constitutes evidence from different viewpoints. I am looking for evidence, yes, but in this evidence and facts I am seeking the truth. Evidence as well as facts can and does contain both truth and lies. I am only looking for the truth in any evidence and facts presented. Honestly however, I know that most everything of truthful value has been deleted or changed and covered up to the point it is not going to be found easily, if at all. therefore in what we do read as evidence and facts, there will be little if any condemning truth to be found outright. Therefore as many others do here and as does the user who 1st commented to you about your continuing call for evidence, both of knew the same things but and we arrived at our conclusions using what judgement we could in determining guilt or innocence.
Commonsense tells us that many things have been covered up, removed and changed. We know there is something definitely wrong. (Where there’s smoke there is fire. so-to-speak) We can mainly conclude his guilt by the evidence not being legitimate or lacking in so many areas. Yet it is still clear that certain laws were broken and key events made to look other than than what truthfully happened, i.e. losing their law license.
I mentioned ellen on a hunch and she will be reading this post. That is because there is more than one ellen responding under that name. There is little doubt they are part of a group effort in controlling damage in Obama’s behalf. So far those have been the only threads ellen responds too and specifically when her name is mentioned. In our 1000 post thread marathon we conducted several small tests to evaluate her responses, including timing them. Here as in the 1000 post thread she has amnesia to most previous comments to her and continually reposts the same comments. I see the pattern repeating itself here. This is alos discussed in that 1000 post thread.
however I must again apologize to you for assuming too quickly that you were related in any way to ellen. She had not been on here to any extent since her loss at the 1000 post thread and I found it odd that you was being accused of the same thing, making me think she had assumed another identity, and I wrote to hastily before checking the details closer. Again please accept my apologies for not following sound and prudent protocols.
Thanks for the apology. Both accepted and appreciated.
We agree that evidence has its limitations. I keep asking for it (here and elsewhere) in search of something that is conclusive. And for some (at least to me) strange reason, I keep catching spears for my efforts.
Here, I’m branded a liberal, on liberal sites I’m condemned as a right wing wacko, and on black sites I’m also “outed” as a racist. It’s entertaining and enlightening to see how universally condemned are sincere requests for sources or even more details. Definitely a learning experience — at least for me.
Re: “Where there’s smoke there is fire. so-to-speak) ”
In the case of Obama, where there is smoke there are birthers TELLING LIES to create the smoke. They LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, but they simply did not quote her. In fact, they cut off the tape recording just BEFORE she was asked “Where was he born?”
And, as noted above, they did not tell their readers that there was no proof that Obama’s mother even had a passport or how rare it would be for an 18-year-old to have a passport in 1961 or how EXTREMELY rare it would be for a women in the last few months of pregnancy to travel abroad in 1961 because of the relatively high rate of stillbirths.
In short, where there is smoke, there are birthers blowing smoke. Obama was really born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers’ “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show.
@ellen whichever one you are….
“In the case of Obama, where there is smoke there are birthers TELLING LIES to create the smoke. They LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, but they simply did not quote her. In fact, they cut off the tape recording just BEFORE she was asked “Where was he born?” ”
Simply go back to the 1000 post thread, “http://www.westernjournalism.com/cowardly-congressman-refuses-affidavit-on-obama-id-fraud/” and read our side’s answers again to you. We explained this several times to you and you lost your claims. We disproved everything you said or shown it to be incomplete. You NEVER won and yet you repeated the same things time after time, and here you are doing the same things again. So instead of writing another 1000 posts, simply go and reread the all the debate points you lost, which was ALL of them! All your questions were repeatedly answered. Like I said you have a bad case of amnesia due to too many of you trying to respond to so many different people and posts. But I will admit, you can post a post faster than anyone I ever seen, in 2 minutes or less time, and repeat it time and again! Sadly you can’t remember what you wrote and all the points you lost…
Rational people will notice that Mike360000 has not responded to the facts HERE, where readers of this blog can read it and asks them to go to another blog and wade through 1000 or so postings in hopes, as Mike360000 CLAIMS, of finding evidence that disproves the facts that:
(1) Birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when in fact she said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii “where his father was studying at the time” (Hint, they did not specifically answer this on the 100-post site either, and one of their nutty postings claims that there is a town or village in Kenya called “Hawaii”—which, duh, there isn’t)
(2) birther sites did not tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother even had a passport in 1961. (No, they did not answer that over on the 1000-posting site either).
(3) birther sites did not tell their readers how few 18-year-olds had passports in 1961. (No, they did not answer that over on the 1000-posting site either).
(4) birther sites did not tell their readers how EXTREMELY few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the relatively high risk of stillbirths. (No, they did not answer that over on the 1000-posting site either).
and (5) despite points 1-4, birther sites still hope that rational people will assume that Obama’s mother had a passport AND traveled to Kenya or another country (Kenya, BTW, has denied that Obama was born there, and only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961—neither of which facts have birther sites reported) and that rational people might believe that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying and so is the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
“Rational people will notice that Mike360000 has not responded to the facts HERE, where readers of this blog can read it and asks them to go to another blog and wade through 1000 or so postings in hopes, as Mike360000 CLAIMS, of finding evidence that disproves the facts that:”
One of the ellens has wrote this very thing at least a dozen times here:
Yet she comes to this thread and starts over as if she has amnesia. I can only guess that is because one ellen doesn’t know what the other ellens had previously wrote.
Here is my response to “Rational People”, once again, from that thread.
All of you can learn something by understanding what rational people really means.
And I have addressed that previously also…
You know how ellen continually uses the phrase, “rational people”? Now I am gonna DESTROY that phrase in use against us, who are actually the rational people.
From the Free Dictionary I present the definition:
1. Having or exercising the ability to reason.
2. Of sound mind; sane.
3. Consistent with or based on reason; logical: rational behavior. See Synonyms at logical.
4. Mathematics Capable of being expressed as a quotient of integers.
We are gonna dissect the definitions except for no. 4
In regards too:
no.1– Anyone except mentally deficient people has the ability to rationalize. But it is still a variable dependent upon conditional, or you can say it is conditional except in the case of one who is mentally deficient. Meaning anyone regardless of race, sex, nationality or RELIGION can rationalize something. Doesn’t mean everything, but at least something of value.
No. 2- Only verifies that mentally deficient people cannot be rational or rationalize. Though it also doesn’t mean that such people cannot rationalize on an extremely low level of intelligence. But this is also the killer of anyone who lacks commonsense and morals.
No. 3- Here is where the discernment and judgment must be considered that makes one rational, and mainly its’ basis for rational decision making or good truthful judgements.
If you remember my posts on commonsense, morals and moral fortitude, it takes those things in order to make a truthful and rational judgment. At the same time anyone can rationalize something considering they are of sound mind.(definitions 1 and 2.) Yet, ALL these people who rationalizes without the benefit of commonsense, moral fortitude and morals will arrive at a completely rational decision that suits and fits their understanding and acceptance of the world around them. In other words, a HUMANIST who has a phd in a field is much better able to rationalize something and arrive a a completely rational decision even though it is completely in opposition of one who has commonsense and is capable of making morally righteous judgments.
This shows that ellen is entirely capable of factually making her statements concerning, “Rational People”. However it does not mean she is correct as far as commonsense goes, especially not morally.
Remember my response to definition no.2?
What about sanity? What is sane? What makes one insane?
I’m gonna skip the definition and go straight to a demonstration of sanity. (Ya’ll look up the def.)
A person of sane mind will do something over and over repeatedly expecting the same results. Robots do this as repetitive work, but it also applies to thought and their resultant physical actions. You do the same things over and over again until they become second nature; and what happens one morning when your routine of saneness doesn’t work, the clock doesn’t go off, the car doesn’t start, you forgot your keys or your shoes?
I state the following as the upmost expression of sanity actually being insane. (I’m sure there is a word for this.) People goes to the voting polls every election, voting, hoping for the same or different result, each wanting their candidates to win. Yet each is disappointed by the final results, and they do this election after election, and the results are the same ole thing. Detroit is the perfect example! The nation is a good example on a larger scale. Each person is expecting a different result but they keep getting the same results. Just like pulling that slot machine lever.
I ask; at what point does this change from being a sane judgment into insane? You repeatedly do one thing, over and over again, ALWAYS expecting a different result? Is not that insane? Only an unsound mind could do this, yet millions of people do this all the time. After awhile did anyone ever stop to consider that maybe something was wrong with the elections? Or that the slot machines were rigged? Yet you keep doing the same ole things expecting that different result!
So it is like trying to claim one is rational or claiming “Rational People”, as were the statements from ellen. People does all sorts of things and still claims to be rational people. But truly rational no one is, but only to the degree that correlates to their commonsense and knowledge.
The difference is how one looks at these things! Humanists will play the numbers and claim you know the odds, and great pains are made in statistical analysis of elections. To them you are rational by playing the numbers! Don’t that make sense to’ya? As for the difference as it concerns commonsense, I ask; What rationality causes you to vote and what causes you to pull that slot machine lever? It is irrational for a moral and Christian person to pull that lever; but is it irrational to vote? I know the answer and I haven’t voted in years because of it. But that is not to say I wouldn’t vote if we lived in a more honest and truly rational world. (I’ll leave those new thoughts for you to sit on a stump and ponder for a long while. But I will answer them if so desired.)
Ellen and Humanists base their rationality on a faith and religion far removed from real Christians having commonsense. Yet they can’t fathom our view and understanding of reality. And I am showing you right here, we DO understand their rationality, of how it works for them. Now you ask; But I was to destroy their rationality? It is destroyed from the standpoint that you now know the basis for their rationality, and from there it is destroyed by continually pointing it out. Also, they were the ones responsible for destroying their own rationality by using it in efforts to destroy all those who wouldn’t follow them, becoming and being their slaves. They could have kept it and lived as they chose, IF they could have minded their own business and live by the ole saying, “Live and let live.” And what you don’t destroy as man, claiming and exposing them to the world, God will finish in a much more direct and violent way….
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Classical Historian Western Civilization
Re: “Yet she comes to this thread and starts over as if she has amnesia. I can only guess that is because one ellen doesn’t know what the other ellens had previously wrote. ”
Answer: .Why should anyone have to wade through 1,000 or so replies when you can see them far more easily here?
Re: “I state the following as the upmost expression of sanity actually being insane.”
Answer, well if you hope to convince people that sanity is actually being insane you will not get very far because they will ask “is this guy really insane?”
Readers will common sense will notice that your long, long, long, long philosophical discourse on the nature of truth is only your way of NOT replying to this:
Birthers have not even shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days).
And yet they would like the world to believe that there is a realistic chance that she had a passport, and traveled using it during the last two months of pregnancy (which would have been even more rare due to the rate of stillbirths at the time).
Birthers have not even shown the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created (and if it was created after 1961, she did not have a passport in 1961). And, the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created is unlikely to have been lost, evaporated, or scratched off of the file (and if it were, they could tell us if that had indeed happened). But birther sites have not even told us that date.
And they LIED by saying that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She actually said repeatedly that he was born in HAWAII, but they just cut off the tape just before she was asked “Where was he born?”)
Yet, the birther sites that have not shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 and do not show the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created AND lied about Obama’s Kenyan grandmother saying he was born in Kenya still want us to assume that she had a passport, and that she traveled to a foreign country despite the risk of stillbirth, and that the birther “experts” are telling the truth about their claim that the birth certificate is forged (although the birther sites simply do not show the numerous real experts who say that it was not forged).
AND they want us to believe that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about his place of birth, and so is the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers—which at the time could only have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, which at the time only sent out those notices for births IN Hawaii. No wonder rational people do not believe them.
Re: “Ellen and Humanists base their rationality on a faith and religion far removed from real Christians having commonsense.”
Answer: That is just calling names.
The facts are the same to humanists and to Christians, and being a Christian does not make it right to LIE (in fact, just the reverse, Christians should not lie)
And birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (she said he was born in Hawaii “where his father was studying at the time”)
Also, birther sites did not tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother even had a passport in 1961. (No, they did not answer that over on the 1000-posting site either).
Also, birther sites did not tell their readers how few 18-year-olds had passports in 1961. (No, they did not answer that over on the 1000-posting site either).
Also, birther sites did not tell their readers how EXTREMELY few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the relatively high risk of stillbirths. (No, they did not answer that over on the 1000-posting site either).
and despite these lies and omissions, birther sites still hope that rational people will assume that Obama’s mother had a passport AND traveled to Kenya or another country (Kenya, BTW, has denied that Obama was born there, and only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961—neither of which facts have birther sites reported) and that rational people might believe that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying and so is the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
No matter how much YOU believe “I state the following as the upmost expression of sanity actually being insane…” Those are the facts.
“Readers will common sense will notice that your long, long, long, long philosophical discourse on the nature of truth is only your way of NOT replying to this:”
People already know where your allegiance lies. Therefore they doubt most everything you say, if not everything. If someone doubts me enuff and wishes to know more they can simply refer to the thread I linked to. I’ve already answered your questions there, along with O’Irish and rhcrest and Larry. So if I don’t have an answer for the reader, one of the others will. The point being, and to spare everyone here of such long windedness due to repetitious postings on your behalf, I’ll simply defer the readers who are curious to that thread. Thank you very much… As I’ve said, you lost your debate in a big way. No use in making excuses about me to justify your loss.
BTW– to the readers. That thread is the best thread on the subject of Obama’s ineligibility to be president and explaining the Constitutional Law as to why, of any article and posts I have ever read. Yes there is much diatribe and some off-topic comments, but the good posts make that thread the best ever on the subject. If you need references while somewhere else, go to that thread for cites and information.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Yes they keep replacing it’s batteries !!!!!!
Once again Mike360000 has not responded to the facts and hopes to convince people to go to another site, where they can wade through 1000 odd comments and realized at the end that even on that site Mike360000 did not respond to the facts.
IF Mike360000 could show that birther sites did not LIE when they claimed that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya (she actually said that he was born in Hawaii “where his father was studying at the time), Mike360000 would show it HERE.
IF Mike360000 could show that birther sites had told their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 and that very very few 18-year-olds did have passports, Mike360000 would show it HERE.
IF Mike360000 could show that birther sites had told their readers that EXTREMELY few women traveled in the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirth, Mike360000 would show it HERE.
Apparently Mike360000 thinks it is perfectly fine for birther sites to lie about what a person said and not to tell their readers significant facts. Yet Mike360000 wants you to go over to another site, where he thinks he can convince you.
BTW, even on the other site, the meaning of Natural Born Citizen has been shown OVERWHELMINGLY to come from the common law (not from Vattel, who is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers) and to include every child born on US soil (yes, that includes Anchor Babies), and it includes Rubio and Jindal and, yes, Obama, all of whom were born on US soil, and Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and by the Index Data and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Re: “People already know where your allegiance lies. Therefore they doubt most everything you say, if not everything.”
People who really want to know the truth will read both sides on an issue, and in particular they will read the postings that show links to the FACTS, such as this:
And then they will ask why birther sites are attempting to show that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying when birther sites have not even shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 or told their readers how rare it would be for an 18-year-old to have a passport or even more rare for a woman in the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 to have made a long and expensive overseas trip due to the relatively high risk of stillbirth. Birther sites have not told their readers either of those facts, and yet they want people to assume that Obama’s mother had a passport and traveled abroad and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about it.
Re: “Both he and Michelle “dropped” or “returned” their license to practice law which obviated why their licenses were threatened to be removed.”
Common sense says that if there was a shred of evidence that Obama’s or Michelle’s law licenses were to be removed because of their having done something illegal or immoral, John McCain or Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan or Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or the National Review would have said so—but none of them did.
Here are the facts:
Obama would know. Spoken right from the heart, and a brainless head. The man is a psychopath.
Just a bit late? Most of us have known for years.
Well, remember he is after all a member of the Down Low Club
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