When Barack Obama signs the United Nation’s Arms Trade Treaty late this month, the force of his signature alone could suffice to nullify the 2nd Amendment rights of the American people. How is this possible if a 2/3rds vote by the Senate—that is, constitutionally mandated ratification– is required before the United States may become a legal party to any treaty?
Interested Americans have been told that the Arms Trade Treaty will regulate the international trade of conventional weapons, the purported goal being prevention of arms transfers to rogue or terrorist states. Naturally, one would think regulations intended only to manage and restrict the trade of weapons to dangerous, warlike or terror-supporting countries couldn’t possibly threaten the constitutionally protected right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.
However, in order to prevent the accumulation and export of possible contraband weapons, the Treaty mandates creation of a global arms catalogue– an international registry detailing the existence, history and ownership records of all conventional weapons. Every sale, every transfer of a weapon within the borders of the United States would be contained in this registry. The left have dreamed of such a national gun registry for decades and this would give it to them.
How could the gun-grabbing Obama Regime impose this clearly anti-2nd Amendment, Treaty-mandated arms registration scheme on the American people without the Senate first giving its advice and consent?
“When a nation signs a treaty it is obligated to refrain from actions that would defeat the object and purpose of the treaty until such time as it makes clear its intent not to become a party to the treaty.” (1) This is language from Article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. Adopted in 1969, 111 nations have ratified the Vienna Convention, a treaty which has become known as the “Treaty of Treaties” and is “…widely recognized as the authoritative guide vis-à-vis the formation and effects of treaties.” (2)
Many versed in international law argue that the “object and purpose” language of the Vienna Convention means that “…a nation that has signed a treaty is prohibited either from violating the treaty altogether or from violating the treaty’s core or important provisions.” (1) Although the United Nations have taken great pains to make certain that no specific Treaty language has made its way to the American public, a Spanish representatives made clear his own “object and purpose” when he said the UN “… will be happy to honestly contribute to reduce their number (weapons), [and] to regulate buying and sell of arms…” If this is what the completed Treaty hopes to achieve—and we can bet it will be—Barack Obama will have signed onto the most anti-gun rights document in the nation’s history. (3)
After he has signed the Treaty, Obama could use the “object and purpose” language of the Vienna Convention as an excuse to strictly adhere to all provisions contained in the Arms Treaty itself! That could include any and all United Nations mandates for the registration of guns, the licensing of owners, the regulation of sales, transport or usage—anything! Needless to say, such a scheme would remain Obama’s little secret until he has won the November election.
There can be no doubt that a re-elected Barack Hussein Obama would attempt to impose by means of executive fiat the unconstitutional terms of the unratified Arms Trade Treaty on the American public. After all, why not, as a cowardly congress has already permitted him every manner of abuse of power.
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If obama signs, then he invites civil war.
not invites. Civil War will happen & he hopefully will be the first casualty.
you got that right. Don’t believe this will ever happen. But who ever, especially the UN tries to enforce it will have a h…. of lot fun doing so. some one will get hurt.
if they want to stop guns crossing the border or coming in from across the borders that is fine. Just keep the UN away from the United States. None of their d…… business. they are a useless expense t o the US. Congress, cut all funds to the UN. Impeach bammy. fire and Jail holdup. impeach Biden. get these dangerous people out of the goverement.
Note: has any one noticed: bad post about bammy by news, etc., It is getting hard to pull up all the info, just the headlines. Some one is hacking the computer. I have noticed this in the two to three weeks. Getting worse. now.
Thanks for the tip, my computer is not working very well, but I also noticed a tendency, when I am trying to access anything which exposes our treacherous imposter, somehow, the pages requested seem to take forever, if they turn up at all. I would not put is past The Fuhrers right hand man to have the internet monitored and certain sites indicted. We all know what his secret police are like.
I would like to echo this curious business about our computers going wonky when we access sites that TPTB don’t like the public to look at. My computer went down today – wouldn’t let me access the internet – for apparently just this very reason. When I took my complaint to my ISP, and before they actually got back to me, just having ascertained my tel. number, my computer all of a sudden came back online. But if this concern is true – about the causation – we have much to have OF concern in this day and age. That means that ‘they’ can close down internet access at will. Not a happy thought. But with everything going on these days – and with things seemingly coming to a head – it is indeed a matter of concern. Deep concern.
Maybe we should all report our experiences to the Electronic Frontier Foundation??
You do know that google supports Obama and since google does much of the searches on the Internet, they obviously do not want anything negative to be put out about their choice for president. This should be the first place you look if something happens to your computer while writing something negative about Obama. Of course google got a lot of the Obama stimulus money (actually taxpayer money), and they are repaying Obama 10 fold.
I thought I was the only one having this problem. Soro’s money is buying alot of power.
HELL ANY OF YOU GOT THE VP OF THE USA FOLLOWING YOU ON YOUR TWITTER ACCOUNT.I HAVE A FEW PLACES THAT I LET SAY EXPRESS MY DISLIKE FOR BARRY AND HIS CHICAGO THUGS AND THAT ERICA HOLD IS SH…… DEEP IN IT WITH THEM.ACROSS THE BOARD.I HAVE LEARN ALOT IN THE LAST DOUBLE YRS AND THEY HAVE BEEN SOME INFO CAME MY WAY THAT MAKES THIS CREW SMELL LIKE THEY IS NO TOMORROW I THINK ITS A HOOT THAT FOOL IS FOLLOWING ME (JOE) TRYING TO KEEP IT INTERESTING FOR HIM
Just like Abraham Lincoln, he was wrongfully assassisnated in the Ford Theater in Washington, DC. Britian was behind this assassination. queenie obozo is a British subject and the U.S. will not forget the Revolutionary War and the oppression that England did to us. People will fight Britian, again. Obozo will be a casualty of war if he guts the God-given Second Amendment. Me and my fellow veterans we will not give up our weapons without a fight. We are all true to the oath that we took when we served in the military and it still holds true today. In other words, I’m locked and loaded and the first person that takes my gun will get a muzzle ball as a gift. See website: http://www.haasstrep68.com page 4 for the history of treason and how you can help remove obozo from office legally.
That website you linked is terribly made, and doesn’t use any references. It’s hard to trust a source that looks as shabby as that does, and does not provide any proof for his claims.
formulanine, over 60,000 people have viewed my website. You are the only one who critizied it. Page 2 and 4 have references. On page 4 everything stated there has a reference to who it came from. See or google: freedomwatchusa.org regarding how you can help remove obozo from office legally. You need to be more specific. If you want to find references for the 1st page regarding England go to: http://www.queenoftheholyrosaryshrine.org Page 3 is accurate if you do your homework and look these politicians up and find out how they vote. It’s on their voting record. Page 1 regarding the selling of America is a four-year History degree from Austin Peay State University in Clarksville, TN. The map didn’t come off the top of my head. It came off the web. You google: usmap and it’s on there. Go to pictures and the pictures of the map will show up and will tell where the source is. If you doubt that obozo is guilty of treason than you are a brain-dead American. If you watch everything obozo has done and is doing, you would know that he is guilty of treason. I don’t think that requires much explanation. See website: http://www.haasstrep68.com
Hay Hey Formulanine How Much Evidence Do You Need?? Unless Your A Colored Govt Worker Or On Welfare, Yikeess, Pres Barry Soetoro Is A Phoney And A Proven “Pathological Liar” However He Is Sick In The Head And Until He Opens His “Lock-Box” And If You Pull Up Pres Obama 7 Lies In 2 Minutes, YouTube. God Bless America.
If ” you can remove obozo from office legally ” , as you say , why haven’t you done it already ? The war with England have been over , like 250 years or so . I bet you’re still steaming about the ” Civil war ” too !
Look , I don’t like Hussein , any more than you . But , you can send in a lot of signatures to somebody in Congress , but you still aren’t going to get any help . For one , if Congress had any proof that Hussein isn’t say who he is , like his birth certificate , don’t you think they would have done it already ? And , two , he’s the first Black man to be the president , you’re going to have a lot of proof to prove what you’re saying .
Lastly , it took over a year to try and take out Clinton , setting up their proof and that , and they still lost . This is an election year. The only ay to take Hussein out , legally , is to vote him out .
Warchie………….. A M E N ! ! !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
FIRE the LIAR!
Forget the corrupt DoJ
Forget the Supreme Court
Forget the hopeless/ hapless White House
Join me on Nov 6 in Voters Court to
VTCLBO ! ! ! !
Read Larry Klayman’s efforts to remove obozo from office. It’s gonna take we, the people, to remove him from office. Romney and the Republicans don’t have what it takes to get obozo. They may not even win the election because of voter fraud. If you want to help Larry Klayman to get obozo removed than that would be great. If you don’t; than don’t. At lease, he’s trying whereas the Repubs in Congress aren’t doing anything; they’re just letting him get awary with enslaving us. They are not living up to the oath of office they took. Larry Klayman does have proof. Go to: freedomwatchusa.org Otherwise, don’t pay attention. George Washington had to turn to the common people to support his efforts to defeat the tyranny of England. It didn’t happen over night and it wasn’t easy. Waiting to vote him out is not feasible. It is predicted that voter fraud will be worse than 2008. Also, if there is an uprising obozo will call martial law and suspend the elections. I think obozo’s crimes are very noticeable and easy to prove. It’s obvious he’s a traiotor and a criminal. Maybe you are looking for an easy way out of this. But there isn’t any. website: http://www.haasstrep68.com
Wow!
Imagine that!
TRUE to your oath.
I wonder how many Grads from West Point, Naval Academy, and Airforce Academy agree.
Hopefully enough to make the difference.
INCREDIBLE that this discussion is happening in AMERICA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
FIRE the LIAR!
FIRE the DIC !
… DIC = DISSENTER – in Chief
Forget the corrupt DoJ
Forget the Supreme Court
Forget the hopeless/ hapless White House
Join me on Nov 6 in Voters Court to
VTCLBO ! ! ! !
“Loose The Dogs Of War”. Patriots must unite now! Molon Labe you traitorous scum! And bring lots of body bags!!!
Twister. He hopes it will create a civil war. Then he can declare Marshal law and put the UN troops loose on us. I doubt our troops would sit by and watch this happen and just maybe they would stage a coup and drag him down the steps….. It will be nasty….
I pray that Obama is as miserable as Nebuchadnezzar was, when he was against God.
If Obama, the usurper, the son of perdition, signs this treaty, it will NOT be the law of the land, as he cannot lawfully supersede the Constitution of the United States of America. He will have a horrible revolution, of some sort and I will be part of it. Until we, the citizens of the United States of America, are prepared to demand liberty, or death, we will have our Constitutional rights stripped away, one by one, in flippant disrespect of our forefathers and those that have fought and died defending our great nation. I have never served in our official armed services, but I I’ll defend liberty and the constitution, to the end. We, the people should be ashamed. Obama is a disgrace.
Excellent post and 100% DEAD on target.
Obama is asking for all out civil war and this is exactly what he wants,so he can declare Martial Law and suspend elections and remain in office!!!
This piece of krap has got to go–he is nothing but someone’s puppet doing the bidding of the elitist who think they know what is better for you and the power has corrupted them absolutely!
The thing that gets me is, Obama is too stupid to realize he is being used–what an epitet that will eventually end up on his grave marker! He will eventually be a disgrace to the black people of this country if not of the world!
The 2nd amendment cannot be nullified anyway–it is a BASIC RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE!
M.
I can’t believe we are having these discussions!
I don’t know about the Vienna “Treaty of Treaties”…..but
IF we ratified it, nobummer can impose the restrictions till we RATIFY / KILL whatever he signs….
….and harry the hack can keep a Ratification vote locked up in his drawer.
………….just another of many reasons to DUMP harry the hack…………..
WHO KNOWS?
DID WE RATIFY THE VIENNA TREATY OF TREATIES OR NOT?
THIS SEEMS TO SAY WE DIDI (copy & paste…. because I don’t know how to insert active links)
http://ozone.unep.org/new_site/en/treaty_ratification_status.php?treaty_id=&country_id=184&srchcrit=1&input=Display
Regardless ……..
I pray that enough Grads from West Point, Annapolis, and AF Academy will live up to their Constitutional OATH and coup nobummer if it comes to that!
ARE WE REALLY HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN AMERICA?
If Obama signs he could invite a presidential nullification, in other words he could be the first to be ousted from, office by the public at large.
I say BRING IT ON BUB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noonien,
WHAT is a ” presidential nullification”?
How does it happen?
Please enlighten…………..
Hold on! First, its been long established by our Supreme Court that the Constitution is “Supreme” to any treaty. In other words, a treaty that effects the Constitution or our Bill of Rights is dead on arrival. We need a Constitutional lawyer to chime in here. Nevertheless, to say that the Federal Government can inter into a treaty that infringes on any of our rights under the Constitution is ludicrous. If you desire to make a statement send your elected representatives a certified letter that goes something like this:
Dear elected representative. You are reminded of your duty and oath to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. You will be considered to be a traitor to the Republic if you take any legislative action that has the effect of infringing on my Constitutional Rights and Liberties. Finally, failure to due your duty and honor your oath will result in charges of treason being levied against you and your family members.
Thanks Frank, I will keep that letter handy. Their have been frequent occasions recently where that is needed. Especially when you live in a state with two loose lipped liberals.
Thanks for the tip, my computer is not working very well, but I also noticed a tendency, when I am trying to access anything which exposes our treacherous imposter, somehow, the pages requested seem to take forever, if they turn up at all. I would not put is past The Fuhrers right hand man to have the internet monitored and certain sites indicted. We all know what his secret police are like.
Frank , try to tell that to Hussein . He doesn’t care . He already said that ” the Constitution is out of date ” , and haven’t done his duty be protecting our borders . He lets the Illegal Aliens in , and if your 30 and under , you get citizenship from him , if you haven’t done time . Well , perhaps someone will have to tell him what ” ILLEGAL ” means .
It still must be approved by 2/3 of the Senate. I doubt if this will come to a vote before the election. Any Senator voting in favor of it would be committing political suicide. If it comes to a vote at all, it will be during the Lame Duck Session after the election. That will depend on how many Senators loose reelection. The losers may vote for the treaty as a way to get back at the people who voted them out of office. That is how NAFTA and GATT got passed in 1994. Assuming it passes, the people will have to be disarmed. Enforcement will be difficult at best. To disarm the people, the ATF will have to go door to door and they don’t have the manpower to do it alone. They will need help and a lot of it. I don’t think they will be able to get that help from a majority of our military or local police either. There are a few foot kissers that will be eager to help in this but I still don’t believe that help will come from the majority of our military. A large amount of our active military troops are overseas. If the gun confiscation starts I believe that Obama will leave them stranded overseas. Our real strength is still in our National Guard and Reserve components. Many of them, along with the local police, are also very active members of their communities and I don’t think they would take up arms against their friends, family or neighbors. I also think that relocating them to other states would not work either. I strongly believe that they would go as far as to join their fellow Americans against the gun confiscators. With all the guns in this country, registered or unregistered it would be very difficult to locate them. I am sure the President and his followers are well aware of this and will request help from the United Nations. The UN would gladly send troops from China, Iran and North Korea, to name a few, and for the first time since the War of 1812, we would again be fighting foreign troops on our soil. Our, so called, NATO Allies will be unwilling or powerless to help us. They may also have no choice but to join the UN forces. It would be a bloodbath. I strongly believe that the people who will be kicking down our doors looking for guns will not be American troops.
Frank95,
I pray that you are correct.
This is a NIT, but
I’m sure mean “affects” vs “effects”…. enough of that……
I agree about the need for a Constitutional Lawyer.
There is chatter online about the Vienna “Treaty of Treaties.”
WE NEED TO HEAR TRUTH about that one!
About your “letter”………great thoughts but, just who exactly will implement it?
Several responses to your post are worthy of reply… e.g., “thesarge”…………….
I think his post boils down to
Military will UPHOLD their Oath to the Constitution…….or
you can have my guns one round at a time…………..
Regardless……………
May GOD bless America
HOW, AND WHY IS OBAMA / HBI – HALF BREED IMPOSTER ALLOWED TO SIGN ANY LEGAL DOCUMENTS ? THE MAN IS FRAUDULENTLY REPRESENTING HIMSELF AS WELL AS FALSIFIYING HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. CONGRESS IS LOOKING AT HIM AS A REAL JOKE NOW……. I WOULD RATHER HAD PEE WEE HERMAN AS A PRESIDENT. AMERICA IS PRETTY MUCH THINKING THAT CONGRESS IS GOING TO DRAG HIM OUT OF HIS WHITE HOUSE CHAIR AND THROW HIM DIRECTLY IN THE STREET, RIGHT ALONG WITH HILLARY AND HOLDER. IT IS THE INEVITABLE !
That is not true. just some bammy wahing for ignorant bamy people., Congress makes the law, not the president or the useless UN. my question: why hasn’t congres impeached him already. they have more on bammy that they did on clinton for lying about his use of a high priced cigar.
Load you guns its coming soon
The author does a grave disservice by perpetuating the myth that any treaty could nullify the Constitution. The Supreme Court has long held that the Constitution is Supreme against any treaty. Please research Reid v. Covert. However, any act by a law maker, an oath taker that swore to defend the Constitution, that abrogates, or attempts to infringe, on the Constitution is committing an act of war against the very Republic that he/she swore an oath to defend. Taking up arms is treasonous. So too is law warfare. Both are violations are Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution. Notify both State and Federal legislators that making laws, approving treaties, that attempt to infringe on the People’s Constitutional Rights is treasonous. We need to put them on notice that their actions may have consuquences!
I have to agree, once that treaty is signed, I afraid that the door to civil war could bust wide open. I really do not believe that the people will sit Idle by and just let the UN have a say about what will happen to the 2nd Amendment. I also do not believe that they will allow Obama get away with it. I would be surprised as heck, if the UN and Obama will get away with it, BUT anything is possible.
no, they will not be allowed to take our guns. especially in the south. New york etc have a ban, i think on handguns. this does not mean anything to a criminal. they are more interested in illegal guns anyway. got some stupid people around. Worse government in the history of the US.8,753.935 workers on disability . set another record according to the social security. exceeds the population of 39 of the 50 states this is for the month of july.
Because this guy says its a nullification of the 2nd amendment, doesn’t actually mean it is. A gun registry does not take away someone’s rights to possess firearms, and I am not even sure how you drew upon this conclusion. There are already gun licensing laws in place, and there is no mention in the article that it will affect a person’s right to possess a gun. Thinking that this is infringing upon your right to possess arms is ludicrous and extreme.
Formulanine (that sounds like an amino acid) Your point is valid to the degree of the rights we CURRENTLY have under the CURRENT law and past Presidents. I only have a small caliber rifle for groundhogs and raccoons that we frequently encounter. I’m not the least bit worried about it being registered, but the fear is also somewhat valid that criminals and people with connections and/or money can get whatever weapons they wish and no registration or “gun control law” will address that. Also, many people (with this president especially- and who knows what the future may hold) are concerned that the government with the knowledge (registration info) can search and seize your weapons, while criminals and perhaps corrupt military forces directed by a Dictator-in-Chief could have their way. This is were blind trust that you appear to have shows that others views and concerns might NOT be “ludicrous and extreme”.
Smith , the only place in N.Y. that have a ban of a gun , is N.Y.C. , where crime is higher than the rest of the country . bloomberg thinks that the only people who should have a gun , are the police . But , he forgets that thugs will get their hands on a handgun , ban or not .
Formulanine , why don’t the government try using the laws that they already put in place for owning a gun ? They what to take guns away from the lawful , abiding citizens , but still let the bad guys to get a gun , to use it on us . I seen it already , first put a wait to own a gun , then only of you don’t have a record , or any mental problems , then registration , then out and out ban them from citizens . That’s next . Don’t believe me ? Take a look at Canada , Britain , and most of Europe .
Does anybody believe for a min. that if we were to brake out in a civil war that anybody is going to care about any laws or anything at that matter other than fighting for what they believe in cause what t will be about is American vs. Anti-American and nothing else will matter.
//American vs anti-American//. So what you are saying is Conservative vs. Liberal, correct?
this is for rocquedog,
No conserv, lib those are just words. I’m saying the true blue American that came here with the vision in their hearts knowing who the founding fathers were and what they stand for (a better life) with no intentions of changing a thing. vs .the Anti-American with thee intent to change that very core piece of American way of living to their own vision of what they feel it should be. That’s what true Americans will stand up for and fight to restore. And it’s kinda odd to me but i have a strange respect for the middle eastern for doing just that it would be unheard of to go over there and even try to change anything we all know what would happen so why is it allowed here?
Thanks watcheif. Wasn’t sure and too lazy to look it up. Yes NY city was a very dangerous place about 50 years plus ago, when i passed through and spent the nite their. I am sure the danger has increased. I am sure that the thugs, mafia, whatever can easily buy guns. they do not want legal guns to start with, they want illegal guns to do illegal thing. they can pass gun law till hell freezes over and the thugs will; have them and the legal people will not.
HOW to MAKE a CRIMINAL……..
Declare that my guns are ILLEGAL
WoW!….
Instantly,
65,000,000 Criminals!
What you are talking about is another civil war. And while all this is going on, do you think our enemies will just sit back and do nothing? North Korea will go south and we will be powerless to stop them. China will prepare to invade us and I would bet that a lot of other countries will be eager to join them. The United Nations will surely be pouring gas of encouragement on that fire. Our so called allies will be unwilling or powerless to get involved and may have no choice but to join them all against us. This will grind our factories (or what is left of them) to a halt so we will not be able to replace our supplies. For us it will be a come as you are war. What we have on hand at the start is all we will have. It will be a bloodbath. People who were escaping Tierney, from other countries, ran to America. If this happens, we Americans will have no place to go.
Sarge, with no place to go, we will have to stand and fight. Just like what happened when the English burned their ships on their enemy’s soil, so that they had to fight and win as there was no other way out.
The sarge , Allies ? We don’t have Allies any more , thanks to Hussein . Do you think Canada will help us , after what Hussein did to them ? Britain ? France ? All of our Allies are now gone . But , Hussein is going over to the Saudi’s , making his ” bowing ” to them . They don’t care about us . Neither does Hussein .
1st China will not attack us, If we were to go down so would there economy . I know they truly don’t like us but right now they need us..And people you should not be so quick to count out our military brothers, For the 99% of them will be standing by our side, Sure there will be a few rouge hussein lovers but no match for us, We The People !!! We may not have the allies we use too but again if you think Canada, Australia, U.K. Israel will sit back and watch some of the countries I have been seeing posted just attack us and not do anything (of course i’m not including the french) knowing they would be next, then clearly your not looking at the big pitcher or you just plain don’t know what your talking about ?? And for the congress bashes well your mostly on target , But make sure you make it clear that it’s the senate that isn’t doing anything/ At least the other house has made some attempts (though not much). Look Impeach or drag the Muslim dictator out of office and we can begin to fix this crap that he and his cronies have created !!!! I.M.H.O.
“And people you should not be so quick to count out our military brothers, For the 99% of them will be standing by our side, Sure there will be a few rouge hussein lovers but no match for us,”
I agree. When I was on active duty, before I retired, I was in an organization, for several years, where I had to visit Active and Reserve components in a nine state area. The Reserve and National Guard units I visited were just as professional and just as ready to go to war as their active counterparts. Today, with the high-tech sophistication of much of their equipment, our soldiers today have to be better educated and able to grasp the high-tech training they must have to do their jobs. I live near a military installation and there are several National Guard and Reserve units in the area. Several members of the Reserve components and Active Military live in my neighborhood. I also have several family members serving. I am sure that most of us have seen the You Tube videos showing how the President is building up his own private army of hand picked people that he called his “Ready Reserve Civilian Force”. Funding for this is coming out of Obamacare. He plans to have them just as well equipped as our regular military while, at the same time, he is reducing the size of our active and reserve components. Why do you suppose he is doing that? Since the late 60s or early 70s reserve and National Guard units were no longer allowed to store ammunition for their weapons at their armories. Why do you suppose is the reason for that? Could it be that the government is afraid that they could become a true militia and join fellow Americans against a tyrannical government? By the way, that is one of the main reasons we have the Second Amendment.
To make this even more interesting, how about some signs sprouting up all over the country, saying something like:
IF YOU OUTLAW GUNS, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.
HILLARY WANTS U.S. TO TEST THAT TRUISM.
SEND HER A MESSAGE:
DON’T EVEN THINK OF IT, HILLARY.
or the concluding line:
NOT ON MY WATCH, HILLARY.
Or address them directly to Obama.
Or for a more direct statement:
WHICH IS IT TO BE:
A SINGLE TEST.
OR A PAIR OF TESTES.
Yes you need to send her a message, but it will be like post to a huge brick wall. She has never and now does not care about any Americans, except hilly. Hilly, holder, biden, should be kicked out and jailed. bammy should be empeached today. where is congress and what are they doing?
What congress always do, make sure they are making a quiet fortune for themselves and living comfortably.
Our Constitution of The united States of America and our Bill of Rights states that any law that any president wants to pass that is against our Constitution IS NULL AND VOID!!!! SO STICK THAT IN YOUR POCKET MR. OBAMA! YOU are NULL and VOID!!
karen,
He doesn’t care.
His attitude is ….. what constitution
I”m in charge here….. you do what I say!
THAT is why we MUST get rid of him this Nov.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
FIRE the LIAR!
Forget the corrupt DoJ
Forget the Supreme Court
Forget the hopeless/ hapless White House
Join me on Nov 6 in Voters Court to
VTCLBO ! ! ! !
What vote in November, remember the votes are being counted on machines maintained by SEIU and hand counted in Spain in a Soros company.
Here we go again. I have not found anything official that can verify that our votes will be counted in another country. As for votes being counted in Spain, I want to know where you get this information. I did a little research and here is what I have found. SKYTL a software company based in Spain with affiliates in this country, does provide software that can be used in elections. I also found out some information about Pere Valles, who heads up that part of the operation. I have not found anything that can verify that our votes will be counted in Spain or any other country. Think about this. Does your state not have firm laws about public counting of ballots? I know mine does. Do you believe everything you read? How many of the people who hear about this will decide not to vote? Did you ever stop to realize that this could be what Obama and his followers want you to think so you will have an excuse to stay away from the polls on Election Day? This only reinforces what I have been saying for a long time. The more legitimate people vote, the harder it will be to stuff the ballot boxes. APATHY IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS! NOT OBAMA.
Sarge,
Interesting questions.
I know that proving a negative is tough.
So, how about this…………..
Having found nothing ( Lord knows where you looked / failed to look)……..
How about a fax / phone/ or email to your Congressman or Senators.
Ask THME the question.
You pay them a handsome salary…. so a mundane question about WHERE will our votes be counted should elicit a decent answer, eh?
Please post the results here.
I would also suggest an inquiry to the Federal Election Commission.
Have you looked there?
Now about DIC nobummer………..
For those ignorant of modern acronyms, I just invented this one…….
DIC = DISSER – in – Chief
as in………..YOU didn’t make your business a success… a DIS on most of America!
does not apply to dicators. Congress is letting him become a dicator. Why are they not stopping hime? Why hasn’t congress impeached him? Why hasn’t congress stopped him and hiily from dealing with t he UN. They r ightly impeached Clinton for using a cigar. why can’t they stop bammy and holder for using guns to kill border gaurds, gun running etc, . He and holdr are doing the very thing that he is trying to stop the individual from keeping his guns. going to be lots of fun, anytime the UN tries to take the guns away.
How big a reward would one need to post to find someone who would give out the wordings of the current draft of the UN Treaty? How violent will the reaction be if the administration goes ahead and signs the treaty. Violence does not always come from guns…..
He may sign his own death warrant. You not going to take our weapons from us. There ours we have the right to own them and no one will ever take them for the American Citizen. You will invite a civil war and a bloody one. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. We want to protect ourself for this Government in case it get the Idea that it can dictate what, when,where,and how i am going to live, speak, do, or think.
These so call congressmen better wake up. Also the Dumb Dumb of a PRESIDENT will be in the cross hairs of the American People.
Noodle, I like the way you think!! So many of the idiot left try to convince us that Ovomit is sooooo intelligent that “his IQ is off the chart!” whereas, upon scrutiny of his agenda & his pronouncements, it is my view that this clown has the IQ of a dead horse!!!!!!!!!!!!
And WE WILL NOT LISTEN TO YOU!!! WE will have a WAR! And this is what this jerk wants…. is for us to go to WAR against him, WELL he has got his wish!!
You said it Karen. It would be the straw that broke the Camel’s back. War it will be. We will defend our Constitution and Defend our way of life hell or high water.
Fool we the people are already at domestic war by gun nuts thanks to the NRA lobby and the control the NRA has over both houses of congress. Fact we are not safe to go to the movies and soon when a gun nut sees he can claim insanity if he mass murders innocent folks some one will attack a sporting event .
Fact is we pay home land Security to make us safe form Al Quad-a but the NRA lobby and their pimps in both houses of congress has made us all un safe in our areas.
So Thanks to the NRA whom makes money on the sale of weapons and ammo you are already at war and can not fight back as the NRA controls the congress.
Smith, remember
If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
You think we have outlaws now?
Try 68 MILLION outlaws!
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To smithjr38,
If you are willing to give up guns for “safety” you deserve neither safety or liberty!
You are the sheep our gov’t likes! Follow along like lemmings over the cliff—
Do you not understand,you will get neither if you give up your guns rights etc.
There will always be “gun nuts” as you like to quote–you are very misinformed and ignorant!
Better get yourself educated and study up on history!
Sparksnavy
To Smith jr: be d… sure not to mix him up with smith1
Jr is the fool. easy to see. Any fool could see in that movie if one person, only one person was armed with a gun, the shooter more than likely would never walked out of the movie. when his gun jammed one man could have unloade his pistol in his body. would have saved millions in dolllars of keeping him alive. smith jr, you make a good case for people having gun permits. you make a good case for the NRa pimps as you call them of pushing more guns. More gun now are being sold than ever. You make a good case for people to buy guns. You are the fool, big fool, afraid of the NRA. Homeland security is useless. it was set up for a very good cause., but it is turned into the mostly orginazition, since the idiots elected President bammy the Musslamm, the communist, the croook, the liar. Just needed one man in that theather that had a handgun in a shoulder holster and knew how to use it and that red headed joker would be a dead man now., which he should be in about one month. should be stood up in front of a military firing squad and shot, quick, not years from now. And don’t start the mentally ill crap from such people dumb idiots as the aclu. Mentally ill or what he needs to be dead. Yeh, jr you better be alert and watch all these bad a…… pimps from the NRa. if you are lucky they will just beat you over the head with the gun instead of shooting you. Beware Jr.
HUH?
You are kidding right?
@ Smithjr38 : auto intercourse upon you, cretin!!!!!!!!!!! MG but you are stupid beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smithjr38,
Please provide the following stats
* In the last 10 years how many gun deaths were provided by
* LEGALLY registered owners
* IL -Legally / Unregistered / Gang owned guns
THEN, please answer………. why has the FED and State Governments FAILED to enforce ALREADY EXISTING LAW?
Can you do that?
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To do so without the advice and consent of 2/3rds of the Senate: The president of the United States is guilty of high Treason and violation of his SWORN OATH, to defend and Uphold the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT 23 MILLION HONORABLY DISCHARAGED VETERANS AND RECREATIONAL SHOOTERS AND SPORTSMEN ; ALL LAW ABIDING AND DULY REGISTERED GUN POWNERS IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL AND FEDERAL LAWS WILL TOLERATE THAT! THE UN DOES NOT RUN THE UNITED STATES THOUGH IT WOULD LIKE TO.This is not going
to fly with the American Majority and, it is OUR COUNTRY: not the government’s to do with as they see fit in any case. ANYONE VOTING FOR THIS ABORTION AND ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY WILL BE GUILTY OF TREASON AND HELD BOTH RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT IN CONSTITUIONAL COMPLIANCE WITH AND FOR SUCH A DASTARDLY CRIME.; FOR THAT IS WHAT IT WILL BE! THAT IS WHY HIS UNVETTED CREDENTIALS SHOULD. HAVE BEEN PROPERLY VETTED THROUGH INVESTIGARTION AND CONFIRMED OR DENIED FOUR YEARS AGO! THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL DOUBTR THIS MAN ID EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR THE OFFICE HE HOLDS. WE SHOULD NOT BE BOUND BY ANYTHING HE SIGNS UNTIL IT IS POSITIVELY CONFIRMED THAT HE IS NOT A COMPLETE AND UTTER FRAUD, AS A MAJORITY OF US SUSPECT.
Your support for the NRA to make money off the deaths of innocent folks is wrong and Since the NRA lobby controls both houses of congress this is the only way to stop this gun nut NRA tyrant control of the US congress . Are you such a bad shot that you need a 100 round clip to kill and animal . That is not sportsman behavior but rather evil action .
Having a gun, or a 100 rd. magazine is a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution, tested in courts many times over. Owning them is not an evil act. Usurpation of the Constitution IS an evil act, and is also called treason. The same guns that Obama seeks to take out of the peoples hands are the tools that keep them free. Get it?
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. You are also entitled to have you and your family treated as slaves when you can’t defend yourself.
One more thing…show up at my house spouting your nonsense and see if I need a 100 rd. clip to make you go away. I guess I AM a sportsman, eh?
@smithjr23…you live in a dream world and have no concept of History. Japan did not land invade the united States on land because after the Military confrontation, they had to go through the National Guard, then the State,County,and Local police. Then “WE THE PEOPLE” WERE ARMED AT OUR HOUSE. If we get our guns taken away I hope the first invaders come to your house FIRST! I, unlike you will not get all my possessions taken from me…I will only end up missing some ammo.
The 2nd. Amendment was put in place to protect us from an evil tyrannical gangsterment like we have now and of course to protect the 1st. Amendment. If you don’t like it move to Cuba.
Smithjr38: have you ever read the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or the Federalist Papers? Apparently not, what with the absolute inanity you have displayed. We have the 2nd Amendment that GUARANTEES the PEOPLE the right to keep & bear arms: Keep means own. Bear means to carry – GET IT????????????????
Oh, Nikita……
Too bad about the “treaty of treaties”.
Under that he can LAWFULLY insist that NOTHING goes against the UN Treaty till it is ratified or denied.
How long do you think nobummer an harry the hack can drag that out?
Waiting to see………………..
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A treaty does not trump the Constitution. The only way to change the Constitution is by Amending it. Any other way is usurpation.
unfortunately, all treaties trump the Constitution….and must be obeyed…………google it…and read
to jazzman
No,you read,no treaty can trump the U.S.Constitution! The gov’t likes ignorant people like you! You will make a good slave for the gov’t!
Sparksnavy
sparks,
I love your spirit.
You are instantly RIGHT and WRONG!
When nobummer signs the treaty, the “Treaty of Treaties” cuts in.
Sure, we need ratification, 2/3rd, etc.
BUT until that happens, YES / NO , the Treaty of Treaties says WE WILL DO NOTHING
TO USURP / UPEND the treaty till we FORMALLY decide to support or deny the Treaty.
Do you know what THAT means…..?
nobummer signs an Exec order upholding the treaty till we get a formal Senate vote.
THEN harry the hack buries the vote ….. forever
OOOOOPS…. there went the Constitution!.
THAT is why we must defeat gang nobummer this Nov
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Jazzman: where do you live? you could not live in the US or you would know better. the UN does not make the laws for the UNited States of America. Congress makes the laws and no other country, no other organizat ion can go over their heads. It is time for congress to impeach the idiot president. Tell that kind of BS to a Marine just back from afgan or Iraq and see how could you come out.
smith1,
Oh how I wish YOU were right.
The TRUTH is there are many devious paths in American Gov’t!
Sure, the Senate has to provide a 2/3rds Ratification of any treaty the President signs.
BUT …..
What happens between signing and ratification/non-ratification?
You know, nobummer can sign executive orders and harry the hack can bury a ratification vote
OMG!
I’m not an expert on the Law of Treaties, but
… one version is that a Country that signs a Treaty will do NOTHING to usurp / upend the Treaty until it Officially declared for Ratification / Non- Ratification.
Imagine our HELL if nobummer SIGNS the Treaty and then declares ( Executive Order) that WE WILL OBEY the treaty till the Senate VOTES …… and the HELL that ensues when harry the hack buries the vote
THAT IS WHY WE MUST DEFEAT GANG NOBUMMER THIS NOV.
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tangle, check my comment to Nikita posted at 1:23
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Since the NRA has bribed both houses of congress and have made it impossible to get all military weapons banned. PLEASE SIGN IT. Mr. President
The NRA and its members in both houses of congress make money of the death of innocent folks and all GOP /Tea Party say they are pro life but want us all to die so they and the NRA can make money.
I don’t own or want to own a gun . I worship GOD not GUNS .
That in Jesus eyes makes me smart as I will go to heaven . Where are you going HERO
I also worship God and not guns. David took a stone and slew Goliath. God has thrust a nasty sword.
Gun are there to protect, provide food, and the safety of your family.
I hope you never get yourself in a situation where you would need one.
to own or use a gun for self defense is only given God a little help in evening out the odds!!!!
And you smithjr38, will probably get there ahead of the rest of us. I’m not personally in any hurry to move in. Yet.
smitty,
Where should I mail you yard sign.
I’ll even have it revised just for you
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I don’t own or want to own a gun .
I worship GOD not GUNS .
NO GUNS IN HERE
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Never heard such nasty vitriol toward others coming from a Christian. If you choose not to be a gun owner you certainly have that right, just as others have the right to own one. In all I have read here I haven’t seen anything to indicate the worship of guns. No need to twist others thoughts to express yourself, you have the freedom to think and speak as you please, as do the rest of us.
george,
What in hell does that mean?
Are you pro 2nd ………….. or ……………anti?
DECLARE!
Then you know Jesus ran the money changers from the Temple.. I don’t think he was to polite in his method of removal… God helps those who Help themselves….
I’ve heard this preposterous argument before. I’ve been a follower of Christ for decades. I remember how the Lord treated the money changers in the Temple. You may want to turn the other cheek, but I will move forward to Liberty.
Luke 22:36 and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Said by Jesus himself.
But, then again, I’m sure you would rather rely on 911 and prayer while watching your family raped and murdered.
Smart move. I’m sure they will appreciate it.
So taking the express train to heaven are we?
A gun is not a thing to worship, it is simply a piece of equipment to protect you and your family, like an automobile is a piece of equipment to transport you and your family.
I should have added: If a criminal knows you will not be armed to protect your home, it’s like an open house invitation for them. And they will be armed.
smith, Either you are totally ignorant or a lefty troll
EVERYBODY should jump on your posts
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smith jr, you have lost it. He can sign a UN treaty till hell freezes over and it will not be leagal in the US. YOu need to read the constitution. smithjr, beware of the NR A pimps, one might slap the hell out of you. Any one as dumb as you are about the constitution would deserve it. I have lived a long life. I have never been a member of the NRA, but the more nuts like you, i hear talking my cause me to join. I have guns and i intend to die with the guns i own now. Haven’t shot one in 10 years, but i have them and the UN is going to play hell in taking my guns. the only time i had a gun for protection was issued to me while in the Air Force during the korean war. Never used it for protection, but a number of times i thought maybe i might need to use it against the Russians. Jr, beware of the NRA , and all the gun nuts. You are slowly making them mad.
Smithjr38, that is about the most stupid, ignorant post that I have ever witnessed! Hard to believe, but you are dumber than the Kenyan liar in chief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are either a mindless troll sent here to clutter up the thread or you are completely and irremediably stupid. There is no third choice.
Well, as far as I am concerned, this is the last straw. If the illegal and unconstitutonally “implanted” Muslim-Marxist were to strip us of our right to bear arms, then it is time to bear arms against this tyrannical regime! The new Hitler is following the old one’s strategy to a tee. If the sheeple lay down on this one, then they will deserve the tyranny that will surly ensue! In regards to M. Moore’s accusation that Bush was responsible for the recent shooting, here is my reply to him and his ilk.
Good for him. I blame the tree stooges: the Muslim-Marxist implant, Hillory the Pillory Clinton and Eric the Hold(card)er. I’m not buying this as a random circumstantial shooting as the one in Tuscaloosa. Wasn’t it convenient how the two shooters just gave themselves up to the authorities. I’ve also heard about some shooting in Canada; all these occurring right before the UN meeting on gun treaty. These were concerted efforts for the NWO, through the UN, to see to it that America is disarmed. Tell me, how does one (unemployed) student come up with the money for all these expensive weapons and where does he get the knowledge of booby trapping his apartment; and, this is really telling, why would he tell authorities that he had booby trapped his apartment? Wasn’t it his objective to create as much carnage as possible? No, like Fast and Furious, Flash and Dash was a planned out mission, perhaps through mind control, to further the tyrannical takeover of America by controlling our guns.
Troughout the not too distant past, events were staged or allowed to happen in the cause of the NWO. Let me see, there was the sinking of the [Lusitania], check out ‘ The Creature From Jekyll Island,’ Pearl Harbor, 911 ( which brought the HSA into effect ), the underware- bomber, who was ALLOWED on the plane, ( an electrical charge, and not a match, by the way, is needed to set of the plastic explosives! ) had brought about the TSA, and the SUPPOSEDLY plot to blow up a bridge in Ohio and there were one or two such acts that FBI informants were involved.
I’ll let you be the judge, as for me, I see a concerted effort by the New Worldists – and yes, your damn right that it is a conspiracy – to bring about the New World Order; afterall. isn’t that what the first Bush had spoken! We also have the Bible, which all of the NWO despises, prophesysing as much. These reprobates are evil and it’s time for the rest of the world to realize this. Death and distruction is their trade and they are plying their trade as the evil artisans that they truly are! I rest my case.
I have to agree with on that. You also forgot about the attempted shooting at internet cafe in Fla. This guy in did not act alone he had help and they are still on the loose. Dont forget about the fast and furious that has been swept under the cover.Next thing on the probably on the list is to close churches and burn bibles.
Hadenuf, I totally agree. There is a conspiracy to disarm our citizens. Where did Holmes get the money to buy all that stuff? Something stinks here. I know one thing, if they think I’m going to lay down and give up my arms, they are in for a rude awakening. They will get my guns when I run out of ammo or am killed. MOLON LABE!!!!!!
yeh 20,000 dollars is a lot of money for a college student without a job. strange.
ghopf44,
MOLON LABE
They can have my guns…………
one round at a time………….
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Stalin, Castro,Mao ,Pol Pot ,Hitler and now dearleader ,all advocates for civilian gun control !How many did they kill?He who surrendes his arms will either become a victim or slave,that in a nut shell explains the 2nd amendent!Citizens have rights to defend,slaves do not,which are you ?
then I will become an unlawful gun owner,,,I will not turn in ANY gun..or rights
Exactly…I just happen to move and lost all my weapons in the transfer of goods from the old house to the new one. Which by the way the criminal might not want to invade with their illegal guns because at that moment I just might unpack the box I just found which has bigger guns and more ammo then you brought for the invasion of my family and property. Just saying.
fletch.
HOW sad.
I feel your pain.
Recently a huge wave hit our fishing boat and ALL my guns went overboard … gone forever!
Boo Hoo!
Will I ever get replacements?
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Jazzman
You and 67 million others!
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Only in his dreams…….. a wet one!
They can not and will not take my guns.If I run out of ammo I have a bow and I am good with it also. I won’t give in to the the U N or any other country that I figure would invade MY COUNTRY. We the People will not stand for this act of war against the United States of America.The people here have the right to defend them self.We have a duty to defend the United States.Lord O and the Clinton witch will never understand this. I am a country boy I can live off the land along with thousands of others. It would be hard to stop most of us. WE are hunters and know how to hid in the open.Ask a turkey hunter they will say the same thing.Obama needs to shut up ,be quiet and just go away.He is doing what he said he would do before he was made King.Now WE the People will take our country back if he does what we all think he will do. Get ready people.Time to ammo up and clean your guns,All of them.Let the world know the Once Great United States of America is alive and well.
Right on Bro!
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Don’t
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smithjr38, your another lost soul, gun free zones invite this sort of stuff. People that obey the stupid gun laws, follow the laws, people that don’t obey the laws do the crimes. Signing the treaty is treason. And since you don’t want guns why not put a big sign on your house saying it is a gun free zone. Your just another commie.
d120
Terrific idea.
WE should pool our $$$ so every anti-gunner can have a yard sign
I AM AGAINST GUNS
NO GUNS IN HERE!
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If they wish to stop the free-for-all criminal usage of guns, then it’s pretty simple. First offense using a weapon during a crime, a minimum of 25 years flat. No early outs. You do all 25 years. 2nd offense, life.
Again no exceptions. And we’ll send them all to some far-a-away island, no visitation, exiled, while there. Think that will do it? Of course if they take to using knives, we’ll have to ban all knives, or baseball bats, no more baseball.
They can’t even stop Iran from making nukes, but they’d stop countries from making guns? Right…..
Maybe Dudley and the NRA should put boots on the ground instead of always asking for money.
Okay he can do anything he wants to he has already proven that by obama care his word trumps anything.
I believe the 28th amendment reads that congress shall not pass anylaws upon it citizens that excludes the senate. It also statesthe senate shal not pass anylaws upon citizens that does not include congress.
Gues waht people they passed the obama care which excludes them and the president. Secondly if guns kill people not the person shooting the gun. In that case the car that a person was driving under the influence kills people not the drunk idiot behind the wheel. Some People in ths country think they don’t have to be responsible for their actions. Pelosi is pushing another bill thru called Joint house resolution 88 that will limit your freedom of speech by denying the right of large groups to speak for the indivdiaul for example Green peace peta nra vfw madd will be breaking the law when they speak on your behalf. Also the nacp and uniions. Don’t worry I am sure the Unted nations will take care of you. The best way to take over a counryt is from the inside take away your rights a little at atime it works perfectly look how many people snowed over before any noticed what was happening other dictators have done the same look at chavez.
smithjr38., fine with me if you don’t own or want a gun, thats up to you, but don’t try to force me not to own one. Great that you believe in God and I’m sure you’ll get to heaven, but not owning a gun is pretty much of a sure bet you’ll get there faster then a legal gun owner.
LET’S ALL GET A YARD SIGN FOR SMITTY38
i AM AGAINST GUNS
NO GUNS IN HERE
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Use a large sign. advertise that he hates guns, does not own guns. When the criminals start breaking in his house, he can belittle the nra and the gun nuts out loud. More than likely the criminal will have an illegal or he could just use a very large knife, a very large hammer, maybe a very large crowbar, a very short and large pipe. they all will kill and he won’t have enough since to find him a weapon being he is a law abiding bammy sucker.
Can anyone point out a single instance in which the U.S. Constitution has been amended via treaty? I didn’t think so. The fact of the matter is all treaties and legislation is subject to, and inferior to the Constitution. If this treaty changes the public’s ability to own firearms, then it is because the citizens allow it to. That’s why the Constitution was written the way it was. People may surrender all freedom and liberty they wish to. And one hellova lot has already been surrendered. But in the end, it is still up to us. I for one will not surrender this right. The God given right, codified in the Constitution.
KSTUMP,
The problem is NOT the Constitution.
The PROBLEN is the Treaty of Treaties which says any Nation signer will do noting to disrupt the treaty till it FORMALLY decides to accept or reject it.
You don’t need a PhD in Creative thinking to figure out how nobummer, harry the hack, and stonewaller holder will write executive orders, bloct Senate ratification votes and insist that the Treaty be obeyed till……..well………. till WE GET RID OF THEM!
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Spot on!
Jesus was dying for us he paid the Price for us,if you believe the Muslim view if you do’nt agree die.Thanks but I will cling to my Bible and Guns!Humans really have’nt changed that much since Cain and Able,rocks or arrows in a pinch to defend mine ,ours and others if the need comes,but if the evil that kicks in the door is armed I will use equal or better ! Only a complete fool would trust this adminstration to do the right thing,after all they’ve already armed drug cartels with weapons they want to take from we citizens and at the same time our borders are wide open and The Iranians have a foothold in Venezuela,So stick or head in the sand drink some koolaid and see nothing.
It has been shared that guns (rifles) have been around for 600+ years, 150 years or so for pistols that can shoot more than one bullet and that the crimes we are seeing at this level have been happening in our culture MUCH more recently. It is clear that weapons capable of inflicting so much damage, so widely and quickly need to have some restrictions. Most of us would never have a weapon like this in our homes to “protect” our families. RED FLAGS should have flown here when two glocks, a shotgun and the AR-15 were bought in less than two months (may 22-July 6) apparently legally with the same SS# and no system or person saw a pattern that suggested the outcome was going to be bad! If the same FBI can be contacted at the purchase of each of these guns, then that same FBI/system can show (ding, ding, ding) 4 gun purchases by the same guy, who previously and currently as a science student doesn’t need this stuff, then Friday doesn’t happen (at least NOT so easily)! The fact is our culture is headed down a scary path and yes, the “Why so serious” evil characters portrayed in the movies, appear to lessen us ALL as those ideas and thoughts are put in our heads. A good book suggests that you not spend time thinking about such things, it lists others to focus on. Christian or not Philippians 4: 6-9 are good advice for even atheists. If followed there would be fewere and fewer people to carry out Friday’s like last week’s. Hey, I’m just sayin’.
Finally, if our President signs this “Treaty”, THEN Impeachment proceedings should be started. This problem cannot and should not be addressed through any arrangement with the impotent UN. Hillary Clinton DOES KNOW BETTER, I’m pretty sure our President doesn’t.
5 million firearms were sold in May. How do you suppose they are supposed to figure out if some one has evil intents? Just asking. I have a friend that bought 6 AR 15 rifles inside of two months. What are his intentions? He wants his whole family armed in case this nutcase government goes on a rampage. Sounds like a RED FLAG to me! Fortunately a few people here have brains. The rest are out looking for some.
If obama attempts to remove our weapons, it will cause civil unrest. This is just what he has been agitating for since he got in. It is all part of the plan. He will implement Marshall Law and delay the elections. The guy is evil and sinister. God help us all that this doesn’t happen but look at the stuff that has already happened. We have open homosexuality in our military, radicals appointed in the highest levels, more and more legislation restricting our freedom, and rampant corruption in our government. We are living history where once again, we are up against tyranny, but not against a tree with a gun. We are fighting a godless, narcissistic people who really believe that only they have all the answers. They don’t want us to answer to God for our natural rights. They want us to get our rights from the government. Here is a horrible fact: More people died under communism in PEACEFUL times than in all wars put together. I would say that our freedoms are worth fighting for and I will not go passively.
amen
Obama’s “martial law” in case of even the threat of civil war is likely to backfire in his face. With the disrespect he has shown for our military and our heritage – I think it more than likely that a sizable portion of our military will choose to defend the constitution not some insane tyrant.
All the rhetoric in the world will NOT STOP Obama and his Communist minions if our own COWARDLY skirt wearing Congress does not stand up to them.
Barack Obama is NOT the most dangerous force in America right now – the weasels in Congress ARE.
Get those tea-pinkie wee-wahs to put down their knitting for a while, shed their tu-tus and toe shoes and put on the figurative pants for a while. If they stand united against this blatant Communist take-over it will NOT happen.
Forget the dissolute SWAT loving cops, Obama bought them. Their oath is meaningless to them. Forget the military, they’re training with the Russians and Chinese to take US DOWN. Not a peep of protest out of them.
Our hope lies in Congress. And they refuse to get off their knees and act. SHUN CONGRESS. They don’t deserve a whit of respect.
stRanger,
Are you confused?
I don’t understand you.
First you say……
If YOU count on Congress, YOU are a loser.!
YOU talk about ………….
…our own COWARDLY skirt wearing Congress
Then you talk about
….Our hope lies in Congress
Which is it? WHAT ARE YOU FOR?
My personal PRAYER is that EVERY Military Officer that pledged to PROTECT our Constitution does so………
REGARDLESS of what gang nobummer does!
If Congress does NOT act to curb Obama we are screwed. We must find a way to get them off their tu-tus and into the fight. Without them the government agencies will obediently follow the diktats of Comrade Obama.
As of right now Congress is USELESS to us. If they don’t stand on their feet the result will be disaster. WITH them we can win.
What are you confused about?
Most of the individuals posting here that are not in favor of what this treaty could impose are truly supporting America fundamentally. Unfortunately the talk of civil war should the 2nd Amendment be nullified is completely unrealistic. A spattering of individuals does not a civil war make. I live in Texas, one of the most gun-loving states there is, but I can’t think of a single sane person that would fire the first shot to defend their rights. Should a person rise to the cause, the government would quickly destroy said person as an example to other citizens that thought of taking action. Defending our rights has been abandoned a long time ago in favor of our government making money. That being said, we the citizens have no such establishment to fight the government nor the manpower to fight a civil war. Our veterans are tired of fighting. The battle they were forced to fight is senseless and in a way, has taken the fight out of them.
In the end we are simply angry, powerless individuals that will do what we are told or suffer the consequences.
I agree with you for the most part and I for one do not see the “civil war” scenario at all. However, the place and time for “Civil Disobedience” which is allowed by law could be mustered by the 47% + of conservatives and independents and even some not so liberal democrats, to be, I believe a well funded critcal mass of people to basically, tell Barack, “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”. I do believe there is FAR more discontent at this point with this president and the do nothing leader of the Senate, Harry Reid who has stonewalled all kinds of jobs bills, budgets and really good legislation that he won’t let come to a vote. Unfortunately, the large number of folks who are oblivious to his (Reid’s) methods, for the most part singlehandedly making all of congress look bad, they will continue to believe the tripe coming from he and the President that the Republicans are the obstructionists! Anyone who REALLY believes that I have several “bridges to nowhere” to sell you! Those people will be of NO help with “civil disobedience”. They are very much like the frog who slowly dies in the warm, then hot, then boiling water they are swimming in because they fail to educate themselves to the direction that “water” is headed and what its ultimate purpose is. I believe I’m preaching to the choir here, but we do have power that this “pc world” has squelched to a point due largely to our president.
Speak for yourself nickwill
nobummer can have my guns one round at a time…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
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If you live in Texas, you shoulod learn the history…befor a state… the making of the Republic of Texas. So much for a few taking on a larger number. Pull the head from the sand.
i dont know about you guys but i am so afraid of whats ahead. there are some strange things going on all across the board. they are stripping away our moral atmospheres. disrespecting our armed service. eliminating everything we are about. i have grandchildren that will never enjoy our country unless they are gay or some sort of liberal whacko. i pray this isnt the end of the country as we know it. all races stop the racism get over color issues bring back your minds to sanity and lets unite against the street thugs we have put into the white house. sitting here just typing isnt going to help anything. where can we go to get started is the question. obama is going to be here for 4 more years. along with his cabinet members. they have fixed the election. our voting is tallied in spain. how are we to know the outcome? we have to get started now and prepare to fight for our rights as united states citizens and lovers of god. our ancestors of all colors and creeds have died to make this country great and we Have to defend. if not our women and children are the ones that will pay. our armies will crumble and we will be invaded by muslim dictators. are you ready for change now?
I’mready
You can have my guns 1 round at a time!
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This article is an incomplete presentation of the Convention on the Law of Treaties. Articles 11 through 17 address the manner of making a nation bound to a treaty. Articles 12 through 17 acknowledge the differing processes the nations use, according to their laws and/or constitutions, to bind themselves to a treaty. Article 14 would specifically apply to the United States as it addresses those nations requiring a ratification process to affirm a treaty before it is considered bound by the treaty. Thankfully, the signature of our president or our secretary of state alone does not bind the United States to a treaty.
HHazell,
I am not personally familiar with the Law of Treaties.
You present as someone who is.
So,
Can nobummer tie up the USA with exec orders, etc to UPHOLD the Treaty while harry the hack buries a ratification vote?
Not trained, but curious…………
Can you HELP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
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A successful vote to ratify by our Senate is required to bind us to a signed treaty. A vote that fails means we’re not bound and a lack of a vote means no successful ratification vote has occurred, so we’re not bound. I believe there may be a treaty or two that sit signed but unratified (you’ve got me curious).
I think the only answer to the executive orders issues are the House and Senate reasserting their roles in making laws. As long as a president falls within the range of authority given to the president in our Constitution or the authorities within the specifics of passed legislation, he’s good. However, this president seems to interpret the consitutional phrase “Congress shall make no law…” as meaning that he can. Though nothing could be further from the truth. We need more in our House of Representatives with the fortitude to actually start impeachment proceedings when appropriate. Having the president make a “recess” appointment requiring Senate confirmation while the Senate was still in session (the Constitution specifies that it is each house that determines when it is in session or adjourned, not anyone in the Executive branch) should have been enough.
You are correct! They used to “joke” that is the opposite of PRO was CON, then the opposite of PROGRESS was CONGRESS! We’ve seen it happen! I REALLY Believe the single person who if remioved would allow bills to flow freely through House and Senate is Harry Reid . THE ONLY bold action Harry has taken is his stance on Chinese made Olympic team uniforms! Get off your duff Harry and move some laws through and let them come up for votes. He controls totally what comes to the floor and what goes to committee. He is an obstructionist and that only!
That clothing for the Olympic team did get him fired up, didn’t it… Maybe the House of Representatives should make every piece of legislation they send to the Senate some form of clothing issue….
HHazell,
You have defined “oxymoron”
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the only answer to the executive orders issues are the House and Senate reasserting their roles in making laws
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with harry the hack kissing nobummer’s split, there is NO ANSWER
I understand your point, but we still have elections every 2 years.
WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO NULLIFY!! OBAMA,HILLARY,PELOSI, BLOOMBERG and THE ENTIRE ANTI GUNNER CROWD IMMEDIATELY. Call,write,email,petition The Senate,Congress,The House of representatives. Instruct them to tell the UN to Get out of the USA and Stay out of the USA. VOTE THE USA OUT OF THE UN WHILE IT IS STILL THE USA AND NOT THE MUSLIM SOCIALIST DICTATORSHIP OF OBAMA.
iceman,
AMEN!
I don’t think Oblahblah can sign away our Second Amendment Rights with the stroke of a pen. The United States has never ratified the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties of 1969. Johnson signed it, but it has never been ratified by the US Senate, thus a fight in the SCOTUS can be made to fight ATT.
Here is where the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States, Article IV, Clause 2 kicks in;
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.”
The SCOTUS has already said in the case of California v. ARC America Corp., 490 U.S. 93 (1989), the Supreme Court held that if Congress expressedly intended to act in an area, this would trigger the enforcement of the Supremacy Clause. It is clear the US Congress clearly by their inaction on the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties of 1969 kicks in, as that treaty remains unratified.
Obama simply cannot enforce a new treaty, before it is ratified based on an older treaty that was never ratified.
Fort Worth Yankee – Good stuff you present! The question is can you and the educated masses overpower the blind semi-comatous followers of they who are Barry and Harry?
Thanks for the info on lack of ratification of VCLT! Found the record and verified that it remains pending Senate action as of 18 May 2012, IAW State Department official website. Voids the basic premiss of this article, as do other aspects of our Constitutional process.
Does it matter that the current occupant of the White House is not a Lawful Citizen of the United States, therefore he is not Legally the President of the United States, and therefore his signature, as President, on any document is not a Presidents signature and therefore it is Illegal and Void? Everything he has ever signed is unlawful. WOW, how is the next POTUS/GOVERNMENT going to straighten all of this mess out?
willy,
To Me, YES, it matters!
The NEXT POTUS MUST BE STRONG AND a Believer in America!
THAT is why we MUST DEFEAT GANG NOBUMMER this NOV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
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The real question in all of this is: Would Obama have the arrogance to try it? And the answer is– OF COURSE!! Over the past 4 years he has: received tens of millions in patently illegal campaign contributions; successfully placed a liar on the Supreme Court; made appointments without required Senate approval; directed hundreds of millions of tax dollars to campaign contributors; ignored court rulings; occupied an office for which he may not be constitutionally qualified; placed a known forged document on the White House website…and the list goes on! NO ONE in a position of power has called him on these things. He knows the gutless members of the Republican Party will let him get by with murder lest they be called RAAAAACISTS! Therefore, why would he not continue on with a scheme to overturn the 2nd Amendment??!! Who will call him on it? Mitchie McConnell? John Boehner? John Roberts? If Obama wins in November I’ll increase my already extensive self-defense inventories dramatically, as–I would guess– will a great many others. For we will undoubtedly have occasion to need them.
doug,
RE
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Therefore, why would he not continue on with a scheme to overturn the 2nd Amendment??!! Who will call him on it?
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I will….. plus, hopefully, 67 million gun owners.
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THAT is why nobummer MUST be defeated this NOV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
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my911,
No, I mean who in DC, in a position of power would actually call Obama on his unconstitutional scheme. I agree that a lot of gun owners would cause Barack and the feds some problems. But our elected representatives should make it unnecessary for American gun owners to take a hand. Unfortunately, most of them have shown they prefer power and creation of wealth to honoring their oath of office.
Indeed, Doug. And that in part is why the dilemma we are in needs to be answered with a swift stroke from an unexpected direction. MacArthur did it by his game-wlnning move in Korea in outflanking his enemy with his landing at Inchon. We can do it by outflanking the sitting Congress with a landing in Washington D.C. by The People. A march led by Oathkeepers, current and past, and the militias of the several States, and 2nd Amendmenters & 10th Amendmenters & Article Twoers & Tea Partiers & those of the Occupy Movement who have realized the danger of having someone in the presidency who does not feel obligated to play by the rule-of-law book, has become a law unto himself, a la such other tyrants in history as Hitler; with all those other members of the public who are mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore. To stay there, in orderly rotations, and in nonviolent civil disobedience, until the Usurper vacates the office he is illegally occupying; also dissolving the sitting Congress, for being an accessory to & after the fact of Obama’s illegal occupation of said office; and appointing an Officer OF the People, to call for elections within a time certain, and hold that space in the meantime, with a broom, sweeping out the Augean stables of the executive branch of government of all those appointees who can’t pass the (corruption) smell test. The judicial branch being swept out as well – for having not allowed justice to be served on this constitutional issue – and reinstated by judges appointed by The People; choosing who will interpret the law that is to be used over them – We, The People. Standing up on our hind legs and saying ‘Enough!’ to power.
Understand: the Congress has forfeited its right to be a party to this setting of things right in the Republic. They have to earn their way back in their legal place, in the 3-branched form of government that was instituted by the Founders – for good reason. To make sure that all power did not gravitate to any one branch. Or two. Little did they know that it could have been usurped by all 3 branches. Leaving, as the last resort, The People to set things right. The missing pierce to the picture of governance in the United States at this time. Who are now being called upon to assert their authority, in a form of government that is of, by, and for The People. NOT their overseers.
So the fact that the Congress is not doing its job, in unseating the Usurper from his seat of power, need not stymie justice from being served. Art. II, Sect. 1. If the Congress is part of the problem, The People remain – as ever, in our form of government – the solution.
They just need to make their voice heard, now. Loud and crystal clear. With Love for a better way of being, than is being demonstrated by these lesser souls having power over them at this time. It is time for that power to revert to its proper source. With the admonition from The People, in this hard-learned lesson: Never again, to let tyrants rule over them.
Thank you, Kibitzer2. I have never heard it expressed so well. With all 3 Branches of Government colluding against the sovereign Authority of the People, we are the only ones who can set things back on the course intended by our Founding Fathers.
As you say, Congress and the supreme Court have forfeited their right to set things right. But there is no earning their way back. Once treason against the Constitution and the sovereign Authority of the nation has been committed, further public service is out. They could never be trusted again. The difficulty is determining if there are any Senators and Representatives who have not been part of the treason. I can’t think of even one who has stood up against the many and continual constitutional abuses perpetrated by Obama for the past 3 1/2 years. If they haven’t deliberately aided and abetted, they have stood silently by and let the tyranny grow by leaps and bounds. The 2 major political parties should be forcibly disbanded by the People as being detrimental to the health of the Constitution and the nation.
The level of collusion by members of Government is so breathtaking, it seems we are on the crumbling precipice of their plan to remove all semblance of freedom and self-government in America. I fear something beyond a worst case scenario is in store for this nation. What ever it is, the People will fight to restore our Constitution and Natural Rights. The human spirit will always strive to be free.
Does it matter that the current occupant of the White House is not a Lawful Citizen of the United States, therefore he is not Legally the President of the United States, and therefore his signature, as President, on any document is not a President’s signature and therefore it is Illegal and Void? Everything he has ever signed is unlawful. WOW, how is the next POTUS/GOVERNMENT going to straighten all of this mess out?
I would like to remind everyone to keep the comments civil. Dissent and debate are the health of a free society, but personal insults and vulgarities aren’t the way to go here.
It is not as simple as the UN Small Arms Treaty being Ratified by the Senate and signed by Obama… Although it will show the true path Democrats are willing to take in order to turn this country into a Socialist State..
Treaties Do Not Supersede the Constitution SEE: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm
“This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” – Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17. No Executive Order, Presidential Directive, Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No question! HERE ARE THE CLEAR IRREFUTABLE FACTS: The U.S. Supreme Court has made it very clear that
1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.
2) Treaties cannot amend the Constitution. And last,
3) A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others. When you’ve read this thoroughly, hopefully, you will never again sit quietly by when someone — anyone — claims that treaties supercede the Constitution. Help to dispell this myth.
Your three points are generally correct and the Supreme Court may generally weigh a treaty as lesser against our Constitution, when brought to them (the character of the court at the time will color the result), but Article VI of our Constitution gives a signed and ratified treaty the force of law as if it were part of our Constitution.
HHazell
Good points………..
but ……………..
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but Article VI of our Constitution gives a signed and ratified treaty the force of law as if it were part of our Constitution.
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The key elements are ……………signed and ratified
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THE problem is what about …. BETWEEN ………….signed ….and… ratified
Nobummer can sign an Executive Order referring to the the “Law of Treaties” which dictates that a Country which has signed a treaty will NOT usurp / upend Treaty provisions until it has OFFICIALLY decided to SUPPORT or NEGATE a treaty.
WOW!
Imagine!
Nobummer signs the TREATY,,,,, issues an Executive Order demanding we obey the Treaty, until the Senate Rarifies the Treaty …..
ONE SMALL PROBLEM ………..! ! ! !
We are can’t move on it till harry the hack allows a Senate vote!
THAT is why we MUST DEFEAT Obama this Nov……………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
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my911, between becomes a matter of leadership and interaction between a president and congress. So it goes for a treaty that remains both unsigned and unratified. Should the US support the general provisions of a treaty, we may act on those provisions through legislation. Keeps us from being bound by a treaty that would tie our hands in the future in areas that we wish to retain our sovereignty while implementing parts we find agreeable (ie, through legislation passed and signed). In this case an executive order like you describe would certainly earn an impeachment in the House. Might even get the Senate to convict in spite of Reid.
The federal government and the U.N. may work in concert to take your guns by force by using the Small Arms Treaty as an excuse to control YOU. You on the other hand do not have to let yourself be controlled by them. So, I put forth the proposition that if they take your guns, then simply manufacture your own improvised guns, bullets and gun powder. Save your brass, buy primers now, and lots of them. How many youth in this nation have made zip guns? So easy a pre teen can do it.
1-eddie
Perhaps you should post instructions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
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I fear it will come down to ;;We the people,, having to remove this imposer , but that would also entail removing every Dem and every RHINO to boot. Because so far they have been sorely inadequate as servants of the people. They have served their own needs and have little compassion for others. Not to mention that now they’re calling Social Security a ( Federal Benefit). This comes from a thoroughly corrupt government. And as Adams or Jefferson stated: It is the right of the people to abolish said government..
AMEN!
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You know in 3 and a half years people still havn’t learned that if Obamas mouth is moving he is lieing, What is it going to take for people to actually demand his impeachment ????
Don’t give a damn what the pathetic un ratifies or obama signs because obama’s an Illegal Citizen that SHOULDN’T be in the White House and the un HAS NO JURISDICTION in the United States.Whom ever tries to take our guns better bring a large number of body bags because THEY WILL NOT GET OUR GUNS.
we the people by me,have no president,we have a treasonous communist trader,and anything he or his band of treasonous scum sign,we nullify,as we have an ineligible upsurp.which means any of his actions,mean nothing to we the people by me.god bless ron paul,sheriff joe and cold case posse,brian terry and family,chuck norris,frank serpico,and all american veterans/citizens.one nation under god
Does anyone remember how corrupt the Congress and the Senate are? Just look at all the perks they get from lobbyists. We need a servant or cook in the White Hous who cares more about our country than they do about their life (job). I would not be at all surprised to discover that Muslims and our corrupt government were behind the theater killings. To say that something is a “coincidence” is to imply that life happen by accident. Too bad Obama’s white mammy didn’t abort him.
No it won’t. The Treaty would have to be signed by the President of the United States, and since he never qualified to be the President NOTHING he signs is LEGAL, ad noone would be required to obey the so called Treaty.
What is the true intent of the UN Small Arms Treaty?
http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/what-is-the-true-intent-of-the-un-small-arms-treaty/
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Here’s another thought that should be looked into.
RICO act. Well, it looks to me like congress in its entirety and every person that works in it, the white house and every single person that works in it and draws federal paychecks, the justice department and every single person that works directly or indirectly and every single department there-in, and every single employee of the federal government of the United States of America regardless of job description is and has been involved criminal activity as an organization and every member of congress, everybody that works in the white house and the justice department, every single worker for the federal government at every level should be arrested and charged under the RICO act as an ongoing criminal organization. Just like the drug dealers and anybody else that has been charged under that act. There Crimes will start with Treason. They have been lying, stealing and cheating the Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America. I can’t see any difference between them and the Mafia, if there ever was such a thing, or Motorcycle “Gangs”, or Gun Smugglers, Drug Smugglers or any RICO defined organization. When convicted ‘All’ their assets and I mean everything they own should be confiscated and put in the general fund to help the needy Natural Born Citizens of the United States of America. Everything they have was derived from their criminal activity while working in the Criminal Organization we know as the Federal Government. That includes all of their kids’ stuff and of course the wives and mistresses property. Seize; confiscate all property of any description. Freeze all bank accounts. Their sentences after a quick trial and conviction will be Life in, General Population, Prison without the possibility of Parole. Creation of construction jobs for a lot of new prisons for these poor folks. Give the sons and daughters the choice of Prison for life or Front Line Combat Positions. Well, they get a choice. Then we can go after the middlemen that were involved in defense procurement that were instrumental in ripping off the taxpayers for the last 75 years and we can prosecute the dead criminals posthumously
Doug,
Twice you asked the question “how could Obama’s signature alone (without the constitutionally required 2/3 agreement of the Senate) impose UN Treaty mandates on U.S. citizens?” Your answer seems to be the Law of Treaties, itself. You state that Article 18 of the Vienna Convention controls the imposition of Treaty mandates on signatory nations. However, there are two points that need to be discussed.
The first relates to the United States and our unique form of self-government based on the freedoms derived from
‘The Laws of Nature and Nature’s God,’ and the Natural Rights endowed by the Creator to all people. The United States is the only nation in the history of the world to declare the sovereign Authority of the nation belongs to the People. It is why we are known as ‘exceptional’ U.S.A. The People, themselves, decided that ‘to secure their Rights, a Government would be ‘instituted among Men’ deriving its just powers from the ‘consent of the governed.’ Guaranteeing those Rights for the citizens of the nation, The Constitution FOR the United States was written BY the People and FOR the People.
The Constitution is a written contract ratified by every State and a majority of the People. It can only be amended (or replaced) by the ratification of 3/4 of the several States. It cannot be destroyed by any source either within or outside the United States except by the People, themselves, because they are the only participants in the contract. Through the Constitution, the People impose(d) restrictions on and grant(ed) limited authority to Government. Our elected Government may ignore the contract, as has been increasingly done for the past century or more, but only if the People ALLOW Government to do so.
There is no legal authority, including from our own Government acting against the Constitution, which can be imposed on the People without our consent. Therefore, I don’t believe that any ‘legal’ international court could impose the mandates of the Treaty on the United States if it was signed contrary to the provisions of the Constitution. It is always possible, of course, that international courts will act just as illegally and unethically as our own judicial system has increasingly done. It is a very obvious conclusion that all three Branches of our Government, Executive, Legislative (Congress,) and Judicial, are now acting together to undermine the Constitution and override the ‘consent of the governed’ in an attempt to gain control of this nation. They hope the majority of the People won’t realize we are giving up our contractually guaranteed Authority and our Rights to Liberty and Justice. However, as the Japanese stated when they bombed Pearl Harbor, ‘we have awakened a sleeping giant.’ Certainly the events and Administrations of the 21st century, particularly Obama’s Administration, have done just that.
That leads to the second point; the People of the United States, and particularly those ardent supporters of the 2nd Amendment Right to bear Arms. ALL laws restricting Arms, no matter how they are framed or written, attempt to take Arms away from law-abiding citizens. Criminals and those for whom power and control are ultimate goals ignore laws that impede their goals, so the act of restricting Arms will always apply only to citizens who act within the laws of a just society. For millennia people have ALWAYS known they had the right to defend themselves against others. The Founding Fathers guaranteed the ‘Right to bear Arms’ in order for the People to ‘defend’ themselves against an overreaching, tyrannical government.
Do you ever wonder why we have had so many acts of mass murder in the past 30 – 40 years? Each time there are demands by ‘liberals’ for restricting gun ownership. Do you wonder if any, or all of these murderers have been ‘programmed’ to implode and then perpetrate these atrocities? 20 years ago, I wouldn’t have believed our government could do such a thing. Today? I have little trouble believing they could be involved. That is one more terrible burden of Government’s tyranny as they act to consolidate control of the People and remove our sovereign Authority—IF WE LET THEM.
We must tell our Senators there will be consequences for their consent to the Treaty. If the criminal Usurper signs the Treaty, with or without Senate approval, the People must act; arresting him and prosecuting his criminal and treasonous actions, as well as all others who have aided and abetted Government’s War against the sovereign Authority of the United States.
Nicely stated. Perhaps we should prepare a million Citizen march to take our Republic back. Any idea how we get a million or so armed citizens to converge on DC? I’m all in!
You may be “all in” but if you showed up in D.C. with a gun, you’d be arrested. I really don’t think you’d do that. I think you’re all show and no go. It’s easy to be brave on the internet.
Thank you, DavidMac
I agree with your take on AZ-like’s statement, Frank. And in reply, see my response @ 6:41pm under Doug’s comment above.
The key is the willingness of the Oathkeepers, current and retired, to walk point on this march, and with the several militias having their back, and The People having theirs. The People need someone – some specific body of souls – to rally ’round, and set this thing off. The Oathkeeprs are the most likely candidates.
And I am right with you all.
I want my country back, from the usurpers, who are trying to hijack it from its highest vision, of ‘a shining city on a hill’. For all mankind to rally ’round: government of The People. NOT their erstwhile overseers.
The article is disingenuous. Obama cannot legally abide by a treaty that has NOT been ratified by the US Senate with 2/3 vote. The article implies that Obama could abide by the terms of the treaty, but, in fact, he cannot. Obama CANNOT use the Law of Treaties to strictly adhere to the treaty if it has not been ratified. That’s the bottom line. All this hyperbole about Obama unilaterally entering into a treaty is just bunk.
The United States isn’t signing a treaty with the UN only Obama,And I don’t care! No matter what he does does not bind me to it,I will ignore it even though at the time I don’t own a gun.Obama is just a temporary pResident.And I’m convinced he is an illegally elected one at best.I will take his advice and follow his example and ignore any law that he has signed and consider it as unconstitutional and illegal.
I don’t remember who said it first but….”Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who don’t!” I ain’t plowing for anybody.
The way I look at the whole picture, if Obama does nullify the 2nd amendment of our constitution, many of patriotic Americans will lose their lives, and government will suffer greater losses including the fight of taking our 2nd amendment right. Some kenyan born illegal, not even an american citizen, and a communist and devoted muslim just can’t stroll in with his voter fraud and become an instant dictator, and take away an American’s right to freedom, without knowing his fate when he takes an Americans freedom away, patriotic Americans have shown in the past they won’t stop fighting untill their freedom is secured.
Since the comments above have covered this subject adequately, I will only repeat my position from the get-go of the Obama administration: “Obama is the best thing to happen to the USA since Pearl Harbor” Meaning: Pearl harbor united the USA quicker and solider than anything before or since! And now Obama comes along and has united the American population in the same manner. When an enemy of the USA is seen and identified, the citizens of the USA work together to remove the threat. We are seeing this happen right before our eyes! Just imagine the US armed forces being ordered to fire on the citizens of the USA! And think what would happen in most Western States if the Obama Gestapo tries to disarm the good citizens of, say, Texas, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Montana and most of the other United States!
Cowhand, your assessment is fairly accurate but know one thing about our military. Even as good as they are, many of the upper echelon are politicized and will follow the Imposter. Many in the average grunts are not politically knowledgeable and will follow orders, buying into the political rhetoric fed to them by their superiors. Yes, there will be some that adhere to their oaths and defect, but we can’t expect much from the military when the dictator declares his martial law sometime this Fall/Winter.
I, as well as millions of other honorable and law abiding citizens of this great nation would instantly become criminal felons because we would defy any actions to disarm us and to confiscate our firearms, ammunition and supplies. We would never permit the Obama Federal Gestapo to enter our homes and castles. Its as strong and simple as that.
I, as well as millions of other honorable and law abiding citizens of this great nation would instantly become criminal felons because we would defy any actions to disarm us and to confiscate our firearms, ammunition and supplies. We would never permit the Obama Federal Gestapo to enter our homes and castles. Its as strong and simple as that.
We had all better start calling, emailing & writing the disgusting liberal democrat senators & let them know that if they vote for this debacle they will have signed their political death warrant!!! We will stop them, we will not surrender our firearms or our 2nd Amendment rights, we will band together to protect this nation from the liberal tyrant wannabes! “The tree of liberty must be replenished from time to time by the blood of patriots & tyrants!!” Thank you, Thomas Jefferson!!!!!!!!!!!
Poodleguy,
WHY limit it to Demorat Senators ?
We also have Republirats………
Put THEM on NOTICE too!
Hey my911, you are correct in noting that there are some RINOS in the senate but I don’t believe any of them are stupid enough to sign on to this bs – they all know that to do so would be the end of their political career. I, for one pledge to systematically annoy ANY senator, regardless of party that signs on to it – & not just while they remain in office – I will continue to haunt them no matter where they end up once voted out of office!!!!!!!!!!
Prince John of O’Boehner just stated that he and the Republicans WILL vote to fund ObamaCare despite their promises to oppose it. “Put not your faith in Princes”.
So what makes anyone think Congress is on their side? The Right has sold us all out repeatedly and the Left marches triumphantly along in the wake of that.
We need Congress to succeed in opposing Der Fuhrer yet they fail us again and again. We have NO FRIENDS inside the Washington Belt Line. We do have a plethora of lying scum bags who are feeding cheerfully on the carcass of dying America.
I don’t see anything wrong in the supposition that the Right will follow their Diktats and vote to kill the Nation by officially tearing up The Second Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights. You CANNOT be certain of anything the Republicans will or will not do. They’re just as criminal as the Commiecrats.
I’ll believe this Treavesty, Travesty of a Treaty, is dead in the water when I see it floating face down. Not before.
Poodleguy,
I hope you are right about their self-interests.
But look at Feinstein’s “walk – back”
Go Get ‘EM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
FIRE the LIAR!
FIRE the DIC !
… DIC = DISSENTER – in Chief
Forget the corrupt DoJ
Forget the Supreme Court
Forget the hopeless/ hapless White House
Join me on Nov 6 in Voters Court to
VTCLBO ! ! ! !
Wow, I must have missed the memo.
So what I hear every article writer so far is that OB has now risen above God and is now in position to take away our GOD GIVEN right to bear arms.
Interesting.
See, last time I read it, the Bill of Rights and Constitution state that the right to bear arms, free speech, etc, were GIVEN BY OUR CREATOR. They are only listed in the Bill of Rights and protected by both the Constitution and OUR GUNS.
These guys are so good at typing BS, I sure wish they could read and get the story straight and stop messing with our future (and current) generation’s heads.
These rights are NOT given to you by the Constitution so they can be taken away at a later time. They are given to you BY YOUR CREATOR.
Oh, and if you’re an atheist, you’re screwed.
Oh oh oh…Obama could blow up the moon…..Freak out time. good grief
How can the usurper in office and the Senate change our Constitution? I’ve always thought the Constitution had to be amended in order to change it and it takes more the President’s signature and a 2/3 Senate vote. The President’s signature has nothing to do with an amendment. It boils down to the PEOPLE. Us.
Or are we living by a different Constitution now?
The easy answer is that Obama can NOT “nullify” the 2nd amendment. Any treaty that Obama signs must, by US Constitutional law, be ratified by the 2/3 of the US Senate. I’m a big supporter of gun rights and a life member of the NRA, but phony stories about Obama hurt more than they help. Obama can’t act as a dictator and ignore the US Constitution unless the people are willing to allow him to do so. My take is that the vast majority of Americans want Obama gone.
we the people,who are the real government,nullify ovmit/devil and his band of treasonous puppet treaders,the head racist a/g holdup/reid/napalitano/kagan/wasserman/ginsberg/pelosi/panetta/epa/doj/doh/federal reserve,all treasonous do nothing useless,lawless,treasonous traders.god bless ron paul,sheriff joe and cold case posse,brian terry and family,chuck norris,frank serpico,and all american veterans/citizens one nation under god
I agree with stricter gun control! I believe that a law needs to be enacted! This law shall read as such!
“Every Native Born American citizen is obligated and has the right to purchase any weapon that is available on the public market! No individual citizen shall be forced to act upon these rights and can turn down these rights at any time! The quantity of weapons stock piling by any individual citizen shall not be inhibited unless it is determine that it is for purposes that are to be carried out against the public’s inhabitants! Every individual citizen is entitled and obligated to receive training that will be provided by the government. This training will be provided during the freshmen year of schooling! At the successful completion of this course, a single handgun with a single case of rounds will be issued and paid for by the government, to each citizen who is then liable for the care and possession of that weapon! Every citizen 18yrs or older are encouraged to apply for a concealed weapons permit and to maintain possession of a hand gun at all times! Training for the concealed weapon permit will be provided in the senior year of schooling as the permit can be attained on the day of their 18th birthday! All training shall cover safety, proper use and care for their weapon, legal condition and times when a weapon may and may not be used, and all legal consequences for the misuse of this right! Any citizen that is undergoing mental health treatment for illnesses associated with mental instability or is to receive medication that may cause mental instability will forfeit their weapons until such time that the patient is deemed as no threat and determined to be completely and fully mentally stable and safe to regain possession of their weapons! No charges shall incurred by these patients for the storage, care, security and handling of their weapons while receiving treatment! Any individual citizen who has been convicted of any violent crime, including but not limited to domestic violence, will forfeit their legal rights to bear arms! No Naturalized Citizen will be eligible for possession of any form of weaponry! No weapon shall be seized by any government representative unless misuse or abuse has been verified as set forth in the training stipulations! Any government representative, who fails to abide by this law, shall forfeit their right to bear arms and will forfeit their position as a government representative! This law shall be enacted and set in place to ensure every American their right as stated in the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution! This law shall be enacted and set in place to ensure every citizen the right of self-defense! This law shall be enacted and set in place to defend and protect our fellow humans and property! This law shall be enacted and set in place to equalize the forces of the American citizenry and the public service group known as “The Government” forces in order to allow for the defense of the public in the case where the government turns against the public in part or in whole of this country! This law shall be enacted and set in place to provide for security in the home, businesses and public locations within the borders of the United States! No government representative, agency, group, board or body has the right to infringe upon this law in any way including executive order! This law shall be enacted and set in place to ensure all Americans the ability to defend this country from invasion or attack by internal or external enemy forces that would act against the sovereignty and freedoms of these United States of America!” Get a legislator to write this up in a bill and get it passed now! Give every citizen a gun and see how many arrogant, stupid, or wacked out individuals will have the gall to attack people anywhere for any reason! The only reason they will act against under these conditions is if they wish to die! In that case, American’s will be happy to oblige!
This is real gun control! Guns in the hands of every American with the ability to control their own action and provide discouragement of the lawless! Any other method allows the lawless to be the only holders of illegal weapons that they will use against the law abiding!
Voice,
I agree with most of what you suggest.
But I have to ask…………
Why concealed?
If everybody has one and everybody knows it, why is it necessary to conceal.?
If one “bad guy” sees 10 open carry guns he will HAVE to think again about a bad move.
Eh?
Mr. Book, I am curious as to why you would mention the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties and fail to point out that the US Senate has never ratified it; therefore, it is non-binding. Any treaty, even if ratified by the Senate, if it goes against the Constitution, would still be similarly non-binding.
Porchdog,
You’re right. The Vienna Convention was signed but not ratified, just as the ATT will probably be signed and not ratified. But one of the points I tried to make in the piece is that Obama pays no attention to either the law or the Constitution. I believe he would present the “object and purpose” nonsense as an excuse to follow the terms and dictates of BOTH unratified treaties, directing his Department of Justice to impose the terms of the treaty on gun shop owners, manufacturers, importers AND all 50 state governments. Certainly, he would have no legal or constitutional right to do any of this. But then, that has not stopped him in the past! It will once again boil down to whether anyone in congress will have the guts to take a stand against him.
Also, he will no doubt be taken to court. We have watched judges ignore US statute AND Supreme Court precedent over the past few years as they cheerfully legislate from the bench and write decisions unworthy of 1st year law students.
You and I both know what SHOULD happen–or NOT happen. But these days, the question must be what WILL happen, based upon what this Manchurian Candidate dares and how corrupt or cowardly judges and legislators will react.
Thanks very much for your comment.
Doug