NEW YORK – Newly unearthed information about Hawaii’s procedure for numbering birth records at the time Barack Obama was born casts further doubt on the authenticity of the short-form and long-form birth certificates published online with the president’s authority.
Details about the registration procedure are significant, because some analysts have wondered how Obama could have been issued a registration number that is higher than the numbers of the published birth certificates of Susan and Gretchen Nordyke, which were registered three days later than the president’s.
Some have speculated that even though Obama’s birth certificate was received by the registrar Aug. 8, 1961, the registration number could have been assigned a few days later by a clerk processing a batch that included the Nordyke twins’ birth records.
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No matter how much some Obama lovers want to believe the man has been telling the truth, they will be disappointed when the whole TRUTH comes out. Both documents he's produced have been PROVEN to be fake birth certificates. What is it going to take to make Obama come clean with the American people? As long as there are some die-hards who worship him and there is a panty-waist, bias , self-serving media covering for this fraud, he will contniue to lie his way thru his term in office. And maybe a second term, if the "stupids" re-elect him again. It's unbelievable how 'these people" are so hell-bent on self-destruction along with the ONLY country that they'll ever know as " a free people". And you know what? I say, "well deserved, you stupid, ignorant morons"!! Is Obama going to save you? Think again, you fools!!
The director of health of Hawaii has stated in writing that she saw the the long-form birth certificate being copied and that it is exactly the same as the original. Two Republican officials had seen the original, and if there were any difference between it and the copy they could have said something. They have said nothing. Three Republican officials including the former Republican governor have said that Obama was born in Hawaii.
There were notices of Obama's birth in the newspapers in 1961. There has been no 1961 US travel document, such as a US visa or Obama being entered on his mother's US passport OR THE APPLICATION FOR SUCH A DOCUMENT, found. Yet such a travel document would have been needed if Obama were actually born outside of the USA,
What was P.T. Barnum's famous quote?
YOU have been fooled by birther sites.
There were notices of Obama's birth in the newspapers in 196, which were issued by the government of Hawaii, and which checked claims of birth outside of a hospital.
There has been no 1961 US travel document, such as a US visa or Obama being entered on his mother's US passport OR THE APPLICATION FOR SUCH A DOCUMENT, found. Yet such a travel document would have been needed if Obama were actually born outside of the USA,
Sorry ellen,
I don't spend time going on birther sites, I just check out your claims and they
fail the logic tests as nothing more than logical fallacies.
Sure they do.
Explain please how Obama could be born outside of Hawaii despite this:
There were notices of Obama's birth in the newspapers in 196, which were issued by the government of Hawaii, and which checked claims of birth outside of a hospital.
And explain please how Obama could have been born outside the USA despite this:
There has been no 1961 US travel document, such as a US visa or Obama being entered on his mother's US passport OR THE APPLICATION FOR SUCH A DOCUMENT, found. Yet such a travel document would have been needed if Obama were actually born outside of the USA,
Then, what are the odds of BOTH of them happening?
Moreover, it is extremely unlikely that Obama's parents ever went to Kenya. It is a very expensive trip, and they did not have anywhere near that kind of money. And, if they did, they would not have run the risk of going to a country with endemic Yellow Fever late in pregnancy.
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
Fake !
I personally have never claimed that he was born outside of the U.S.
If I had a fake driver's licences, would that mean I was born in Kenya,
Canada, Mexico, Columbia, etc… – No! It would only mean that my
driver's licenses is fake for whatever reason – perhaps being underaged.
A fake BC is a fake BC, no matter what the reason. So now the question
is why is he using all these fraudulent docs, SSN#s, etc..?
Millions of people have multiple SS numbers.
There is no evidence that the birth certificate, that the director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen being copied and was exactly the same as the original in the files, is fake. Birther claims of the document being forged are suspect. The document expert of Fox News said there is no problem with the document .http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/
In fact, I can recall about four months ago when there was a rumor that the new governor of Hawaii, Abernathy, would release the long-form birth certificate. Birthers said right then that whatever he released, they would say that it was forged.
Perhaps millions do have the wrong SSN#, but multiples?
Perhaps people with 2 socials. I do remember the articles that you
posted a few months ago, but it goes down to 100thousands for three
(THREE! your favorite number!) 10s of thousands for four, thousands
for five, but come on, the chance that he would just "Accidently" get
as many socials that he has??
Ok, so I'll just go out and accidently get 25 driver's licenses too then.
Millions have multiple SS numbers. The number of SS numbers in Obama's file is a birther claim. We do not know the actual number. But the fact is that there were a lot of errors in entering SS data.
Having multiple SS numbers in your file is not illegal. What would be illegal is using more than one–and guess what, there is no evidence of that.
Of course something has to be copied from somewhere to build
up those layers. They didn't just create themselves.
BTW: Interesting link there ellen.
"Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
Most likely causes:
You are not connected to the Internet.
The website is encountering problems.
There might be a typing error in the address.
What you can try:
Diagnose Connection Problems
More information"
I guess you'll tell me that I must not be connected to
the Internet.
The unicorns magic glitter got my posting up here.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
The birth certificate is a fake just as it's owner is as well as you.
If this was a scan of a certificate, why are there multiple layers? A scan is flat (one layer). It looks like they had some high school kid do this for them, thinking he/she would know what they were doing.
Really bizarre. And now the White House is using this to poke fun back at people who are questioning it? I never thought that our government would stoop to such a low level. This is truly disappointing.
I mean, if the man suppresses all of his personal records and has two books written for him (pretending that he wrote them), why should people not question his story? It's common sense.
The answer to that is that layers are NORMAL. That is how it works.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert….
Not normal, Ellen. There is no scanner software that separates a scanned document into different layers. Think about it, Ellen. How on earth can you scan a flat document into multiple layers?? It's impossible.
Actually there is Optical Character recognition software, but that identifies
characters only and converters the output to purely text format. Tried it
with my own last week. Even the text output is only a single layer seperated
from the background. So ellen and FoxNews article are partially correct,
but way off when it comes to this forged BC.
Gary in Colo
Associate Eng III.
Software Eng.
A major un-named not so anomynous corp.
(hope that's not too many breadcrumbs)
Normal
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert….
2 layers for a normal doc and it seperates the background.
I guess you're saying I don't know anything about my job of past
30 years? Huhwah???
These experts say that you are wrong.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
Ellen, dear. You are so desperate to vouch for this guy. What's up? Why fight this losing battle? This guy is a fake and everything about him is fake. Why did it take them 2+ years to generate this?
And nobody has yet to answer how the background pattern on the document can merge perfectly with that of the scan (it's a scan because you see the curve of the page because it was supposedly bound!). That alone renders this a forgery let alone all the other problems.
Why are you so desperate? I mean, I can see someone liking a candidate, but this dude's sheen has been washed away and he is standing before our country and the world as a phony. No two ways about it.
Because he was born in Hawaii. It is a fact. Liking has nothing to with it. I did not like George Bush, but he was born in America, and yes he won the 2000 election.
The original was not on security paper. It was copied onto security paper.
The director of health of Hawaii has stated in writing that she saw the document being copied and that it is exactly the same as the document in the files. Two Republican officials had seen the original in the files earlier, so if the copy were different from what they saw, they could say something about it easily, but they have said nothing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
And manual typewriters can skip.
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
The birth certificate is a fake just as it's owner is in addition to you.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
You are fake Ellen just as Obama & his birth certificate are !
Please identify those two Republican officials! Show us where all the other bunk you have listed is documented!!! Didn't think you could. Nice try dummy!
Okay:
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html (The two officials were DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka,)
Read more: http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html…
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
In addition two those two, both of whom issued two verifications, here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
ellen, let's forget the old BC stuff that you've posted for the past however
long since you've been doing this before I even heard about WJ and signed up.
Let's focus on the fact that even if he was indeed born in Hawaii, which I believe.
Why is it such a poorly forged document?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
Congress, where are you? It's time you did something for the American People. Settle this issue for good!
The issue has been settled. The US Congress voted to confirm Obama's election unanimously. There have been no calls for investigations. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy.
What was P.T. Barnum's famous quote?
We're gonna need more whiskey?
You have been fooled by birther sites.
ellen,
I am not fooled.
You are a liar
The following is a true quotation:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
ELLEN THAT STATEMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION HERE THE DISCUSSION HERE IS WHETHER THE BIRTH CERTIFICATION IS FAKE. EVERY THING AS OF NOW POINTS TO IT BEING FAKE
Good luck Jim you are trying to reason with James McPherson's bot & we all know that you can not reason with James !
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
Fakes !
1.Obama 2. Obama's birth certificate 3. Ellen the bot
Elle / James McPherson's Bot !
Obama is a fake just as you are & additionally his birth certificate !
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
Ellen you are fake ! Obama is fake 1 The birt certificate is fake ! Get it !
Correction:
The birth certificate is fake !
Obama is a fake !
Ellen you are a fake !
Get it ?
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
Ellen you are a fake !
Obama is a fake !
The birth certificate is fake !
A fool you are !
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
Fakes are you Ellen as well as Obama & his birth certificate !
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
Obama you & the birth certificate are all fakes !
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…
Oh ellen, yohoo
Ok, Call the Indonesian Embassy. You could do that to call about current
Indonesian citizens currently living within the US. Otherwise that wouldn't
even have that info anyway!
tisk, tisk, I am so ashamed, almost fooled by ellen again
Fake !
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
STOP YAPPING AND THROW HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP TALK IS CHEAP
HE'S IN OFFICE AND SHOULDN'T BE BUT NOBODY SEEMS TO WANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BUT TALK TALK TALK.
FOR ALL OUT SAKES BOOT HIM OUT.
I'm with you Ron, We talk and bitch about it but no one will do anything. It's called "Spineless Conservative or Republican Apathy " ! By the very nature of us we take it and we do real good at it .
Ever wonder how many 912er's or Tea Party members believe that he is legit ? And yet they do nothing!
So I'm guessing they believe he is the "ONE" .
Political Correctness is rampant on our side and when they start putting us in the grave we will say 'damn we should have done something'!! It won't change .
In a roundabout way, the misordered serial numbers on the Obama and Nordyke birth certificates argues in favor of the authenticity of Obama's document. You'd think that there wouldn't be any STUPID mistakes in a fake released by the man in the White House, who, after all, can draw on the CIA for expertise in document forging. You'd expect that proving such a fraud would require an extensive chemical and radiological analysis of the paper and ink of the original copy of Obama's certificate. The clumsiness of getting serial numbers out of chronological order would have been noticed by experts, I think.
So, speaking as someone who, at this point, doesn't know one way or another where Obama was really born, perhaps it is more likely that a week's worth of birth certificates went to whoever was in charge of stamping serial numbers on them, and that batch had not been in chronological order when it arrived on the stamper's desk.
Obama still wouldn't be constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States because his father was a colonial citizen of the United Kingdom. Even if Obama were Hawaiian-born, he would have had dual citizenship and therefore not receive the distinction of being a "natural born" US citizen.
The Kenyan Parliament National Assembly Records are on-line for Thursday, 25 March 2010
Page 31 has the evidence of the fraud perpetrated by the usurper and this is why many respect the integrity of the Kenyan Parliament and dismiss the disinformation and misinformation being passed of by the pollution on the Potomac. Here it is read it and then do something about it !.
"Those who fear devolution are living in the past. They are being guided by their ethnic consideration and objectives. They are living in the past. If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.
I beg to support.
Prof. Kamar: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity
to contribute to this historic Motion. I would like to support it with amendments
So? By now some people in Kenya are confused by the birther LIES as are some Americans. There is NO evidence cited. It is simply the opinion of the guy who spoke. What makes his opinion better than the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the statements of three Republican officials in Hawaii, and the notices of Obama's birth in 1961 in Hawaii newspapers?
Fake 1
Sorry, that was poorly worded. Where's the "edit" button? Change to…
…maybe whoever helped Obama forge his B.C. was clever enough to figure that I'd be thinking that the misordered serial numbers was just too stupid of a mistake to be likely at this point.
PERSONNELY I BELIEVE OBAMA IS A FRAUD AND A FELON AND HIS BIRTH ISSUE AND HIS PHONEY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND HIS COLLEGE RECORDS WILL NOT BE SOLVED TILL THIS PHONEY AND LIAR LEAVES OFFICE . THEN SOME PRESIDENT WILL GIVE HIM AMENESTY IF THE TRUTH EVER COMES OUT. THE REASON I BELIEVE THE TRUTH WILL NOT COME OUT IN MY LIFE TIME IS BECAUSE ALL OF OUR POLITICANS BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WILL PROVE TO US ALL ARE POLITICAL LIARS AND DID NOT UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA. THEY DID NOT DO THERE JOBS REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXCEPT THEMSELVES AND WHEN SOME OF THE DO NOTHING THAT VOTED FOR THIS IMPOSTER ARE NON THINKING EASILY SWAYED BY THEIR PARTIES BS. IF YOU TELL A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH YOU BELIEVE IT.
There is NO evidence that birth certificates were processed immediately when they were received. They may have been put into stacks, meaning that the one received first would be on the BOTTOM and receive a later number than the one at the top.
It should be obvious that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found.
Second, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961. And these were not ads placed by relatives. They could not have been ads because the Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took the official notices sent to them by the government of Hawaii, which only sent out the notices for births IN Hawaii. And, the government could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it demanded witness statements.
So Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya);
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
Ellen / James McPherson's bot !
The birth certificate is a fake as well as it's owner is in addition to you.
My newest congressman is Scott Rigell(R) from the 2nd district of Virginia. He has said NOTHING about this imposter in the White House. Mr. Rigell, you have let us ALL down. If you cant speak up, WE will in the next election.
IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A FAKE JUST AS IT'S OWNER IS !
Ellen / James McPherson's bot ! It is a fake just as your are 7 the owner of this birth certificate is.
It is not a fake. The director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the original being copied and that the copy was exactly the same as the original. Two Republican officials had seen the original in the files. If there was anything different about the copy, they could have stated that there was a difference—-they said nothing.
It should be obvious that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found.
Second, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961. And these were not ads placed by relatives. They could not have been ads because the Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took the official notices sent to them by the government of Hawaii, which only sent out the notices for births IN Hawaii. And, the government could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it demanded witness statements.
Ellen / James McPherson's bot !
The birth certificate most definitely is a fake just as it's owner is as well as yourself.
So can you explain how the background pattern around the scan of the certificate blend perfectly into the document itself?
This is so fake it's ridiculous.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert….
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
ELLEN READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY. THERE IS KERNING IN THE USURPER'S B.C. THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE ON A 1961 B.C. ARE YOU WITH ME YET? KERNING CAN ONLY BE DONE WITH A COMPUTER. ARE YOU STILL WITH ME? THERE IS A VIDEO ON THE WEB THAT VERY CAREFULLY SHOWS THE DETAILS. LOOK IT UP AND THEN SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP TRYING TO MAKE UP STUFF.
It is not a fake. The director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the original being copied and that the copy was exactly the same as the original. Two Republican officials had seen the original in the files. If there was anything different about the copy, they could have stated that there was a difference—-they said nothing.
JIM, read slowly and carefully:
It should be obvious that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found.
Second, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961. And these were not ads placed by relatives. They could not have been ads because the Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took the official notices sent to them by the government of Hawaii, which only sent out the notices for births IN Hawaii. And, the government could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it demanded witness statements.
ELLEN LETS TRY THIS AGAIN. IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN COPPED FROM A 1961 DOCUMENT OF ANY KIND. KERNING WAS NOT I SAY NOT POSSIBLE AT THAT TIME LOOK TO THE TOP RIGHT OF THIS PAGE AND CLICK ON NORDYKE NUMBERS EXPOSE THE USURPER'S DOCUMENT. AND READ THE QUOTE FROM THE MAN IN CHARGE OF THAT DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME. HE DISPUTES EVERY THING YOU HAVE SAID. I GUESS THE ONLY THING LEFT IS FOR YOU TO SAY HE IS A LIAR AND HE DIDN'T WORK THERE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. IT WOULD BE EMBARRASSING TO MOST PEOPLE TO KEEP ON AND ON LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH WHEN THE TRUTH IS OUT FOR ALL TO SEE.
What specifically did Dr. Bennet say in that 1955 article that would "dispute everything" that Ellen has said. I've read the article and I honestly can't see what you are talking about.
SORRY I MISSED YOUR QUESTION FOR STARTERS HE SAID AT NO TIME WAS THE B. C.'S EVER STACKED UP FOR DAYS HE SAID THEY WERE PROCESSED AS THEY WERE TURNED IN THE SAME DAY THEY WERE RECEIVED AND AT NO TIME WERE THEY BUNDLED
No, sir.
Dr. Bennet never said those things. Mr. Corsi falsely reported that Dr. Bennet said those things…..but he did not. From my vantage point it looks like a lie.
Here is the article in question… http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf
Please show me where those things were said in the article. If you can, I will apologize and admit that I am wrong. If you can't, will you admit that Mr. Corsi was being deliberately misleading…..and in doing so led you to believe things that were untrue? Seems fair, right?
Did you read it, Jim?
Can anyone else here show me how it's possible that Mr. Corsi didn't just make some stuff up in his reporting of that article?
Even if someone is telling you what you want to hear, it should still make you angry if they are lying. If you rely on their bogus interpetation…it just makes you look foolish in the end.
So, are we all in agreement that Mr. Corsi lied to us?
If so, I think we should all boycott his latest book until he can give us a reasonable explanation. What say y'all?
WILE IN CASE YOU PASS THIS WAY AGAIN LOOK UP THIS SITE. (SUSAN DANIELS EXPLAINS OBAMA'S SOCIAL SECURITY NO) IT IS ALSO ON THE TOP RIGHT OF THIS PAGE. IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND OR DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE VIDEO THEN YOU ARE IN THE SAME CAMP WITH MCFEAR AND ARE PROBABLY BEING PAID BY THE OBAMA CAMP JUST TO STIR UP SHI= ON THIS SITE.
It is ONLY birthers such as you who claim that there was kerning. I don't believe taht there was kerning. IF there were kerning, the document experts for Fox News would have stated it. So, there is only a claim that there was kerning from an "expert" who has posted birther claims on birther blogs for years.
The document is not forged. The director of health of Hawaii has said that she saw it being copied, and that it is exactly the same as the original. That counts for a lot more than the allegation of "kerning" from an unknown birther. Two Republican officials saw the original, and if there were any difference, they could have stated it–but they said nothing.
More importantly, the claim that the document is forged is an attempt to distract from the obvious fact that there were birth notices of Obama's birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961.It is claimed by birthers that the government of Hawaii could have been fooled into issuing those notices. But it couldn't have because it checked out claims of birth outside of a hospital. So, how could the notices have gotten in the newspapers? They weren't ads, so they couldn't have been put in by relatives. Hawaii did not issue the notices for births outside of Hawaii, and it checked claims of birth outside of a hospital.
So, how could that have happened?
Children born outside of the USA have to have either US visas or be entered on their mother's US passport to get to the USA. If Obama were born in Kenya (or any country other than the USA), he would have needed such a document. It, and the application for it, would still exist. The Republicans were in charge of the State Department for eight years until January 2009—–and no such document has been found.
How do you account for both of those happening–the birth notices in 1961 and the absence of a 1961 US travel document for Obama?
No, Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he had been born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
ELLEN IN THE OPENING VIDEO ON THIS PAGE THE ONE YOU HAD TO GO BY TO GET TO THIS PAGE WERE ON SHOWS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATES SIDE BY SIDE IT EVEN HAS CIRCLES DRAWN AROUND FOUR OR FIVE EXAMPLES OF KERNING ON THE FAKE WITH THE SAME B. C. WHICH IS KNOWN TO BE GENUINE WITH NO KERNING VISIBLE. YOU HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY STUPID OR BLIND TO NOT SEE IT. IF YOU ARE BLIND YOU HAVE MY SYMPATHY. WE HAVE SEEN HOW STUPID EVERYTHING YOU'VE SO FAR IS SO NATURALLY STUPIDITY WOULD BE MY FIRST GUESS
No, Jim….there is no kerning. It is simply erratic letter placement as a result of the hospital using a manual typewriter, most probably a "Standard Underwood". Erratic letter placement is also easily visible on the Nordyke BC (look at the mother's name or at the second "Oahu"). http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y8ag4VGcCHo/TP38McJqQrI…
Heck, If you won't believe me….maybe you will believe one of your fellow travellers….. http://paraleaglenm.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/debu…
WILE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LETTERS CLOSELY YOU CAN SEE FOR EXAMPLE THE A, AND THE Y, ARE OVERLAPPING BACK INTO THE OTHERS SPACE NOTICE IF YOU PUT AN (AY) TOGETHER THE A IS OVER IN THE Y SPACE AND THE Y IS OVER IN THE A SPACE. WITH A 1960'S TYPEWRITER THE LETTERS DO NOT OVERLAP INTO THE OTHERS SPACE THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS A Y. I HOPE THIS HELPS
WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
ELLEN YOU MUST HAVE HERD BILL O'RILEY SAY ON NATIONAL TELEVISION THAT THEY WENT TO HAWAII AND ASK FOR AND SEEN THE B.C. WHICH IS A BARE FACED LIE BECAUSE NO ONE AND I DO MEAN NO ONE HAS SEEN A GENUINE B. C. FOR THE USURPER. O'RILEY SAID HE DEBUNKED THE BIRTHER'S CLAIM BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE AND BACKED UP O'RILEY'S CLAIM AND HE TOO DAMN SELF CENTERED TO ADMIT HIS MISTAKE BUT EVENTUALLY HE WILL HAVE TO EAT CROW MAYBE YOU AND HIM CAN SIT SIDE BY SIDE AND EAT FROM THE SAME PLATE. WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT?
Ellen / James McPherson's Bot !
The birth certificate is a fake ! Obama is a fake ! You are a fake !
ELLEN I KNOW I AM WASTING MY TIME THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT WHERE HE WAS BORN SO SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT A FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE A FAKE SOCIAL SECURITY NO AND NOW IT HAS COME TO THE FOREFRONT HE IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE FRAUD HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO KNOW. I BELIEVE IF THE USURPER HIT YOU IN THE FACE WITH A BUCKET OF S=== YOU WOULD SAY SOME ONE ELSE DONE THAT AND BLAMED THE USURPER. SOONER OR LATER WE ALL HAVE TO FACE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A SNEAKING LYING MUSLIM IN THE W.H.
So vote against him in the next Presidential election. But his birth certificate was not forged, and the reason that the US Congress is not the slightest bit interested in the Social Security story is that MILLIONS of Americans have multiple Social Security numbers due to the vast number of errors.
Birthers said before the long-form BC was released that when it was, they were simply going to say that it was forged. And, they did what they said they would do. But the experts at Fox News and the conservative magazine National Review both say that the document WAS NOT FORGED. And the director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the document while it was being copied from the original, and that the copy was exactly the same as the original. And, in past TWO Republican officials had stated repeatedly in writing at a time when the attorney general of Hawaii was a Conservative Republican that they had seen the original long-form birth certificate in Obama's file.
So, if the document that Obama had released were factually different from what they saw, they could of course notice the difference and issue a statement about it. But they didn't say anything.
Can you say distraction? I can and have for years. Cause Barry is a liar. Most of the real people that want this man out of office are not birthers. It won't work again, he is going to be a one termer.
What was he – a tourist?
Good one Gary ! Lol!
He was a resident of Indonesia, not a citizen of that country.
Liar !
It is not fake, why don't you discuss the facts.
You think a president should be the son of an alien?
The framers of the constitution didn't, that's why they wrote Article II. Look at the 1790 Uniform Naturalization Act et seq . . . to the 1866 Civil Right Act . . . birth on U.S. soil means nothing if your father is subject to a foreign power.
The 1790 naturalization act ADDED the children of US citizens born abroad to the existing Natural Born Citizens. The existing Natural Born Citizens were simply the US citizens who were born in the USA. That is the way that the American leaders at the time used the term Natural Born. They used it to refer to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth, never to refer to the parents of the citizen. In France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland and other countries on the continent of Europe, Natural Born meant born of citizens of the country. That is why Vattell (a Swiss) used it that way.
But in America and Britain, Natural Born had meant "born in the country regardless of whether the parents were aliens (except for foreign invaders and foreign diplomats" for several hundred years. The American writers of the US Constitution, who were mainly lawyers, used the term in that sense.
You think a president should be the son of an alien?
Answer: I think the American voter should have the choice.
Your logic and reading of the law is fatally flawed.
As for voters being allowed to choose, in violation of the constitution, you are describing the Death of our Constitutional Republic . . . Article II's ban on sons of aliens, unless citizens at the time of the adoption of the constitution, is prohibited, and for good reason.
There is no mention of fathers or for that matter parents in Article II. The meaning of Natural Born at the time referred only to the PLACE of birth.
Under strict construction judicial principles, you are not allowed to infer that the founders meant "two citizen parents" if they did not say "two citizen parents." And they didn't say "two citizen parents."
What they said was "Natural Born Citizen," and a search of the writings of John Adams, John Jay (YES, John Jay too!), James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and James Wilson ( prominent lawyer at the Constitutional Convention) and others shows that they never used the term Natural Born to refer to parents. They only used it the same way that Blackstone did, to refer to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth.
There is no ban on the sons of aliens becoming president.
SEVEN presidents have had one or two parents who were not born in the USA and the two most recent, Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover, had mothers who only became US citizens due to a law at the time that said that when women married US citizens they automatically became US citizens. In other words, the two mothers were never naturalized and are not known to have relinquished their British or Canadian citizenship, so at most they were dual nationals.
One US president even had TWO foreign parents, Andrew Jackson. To be sure, he fell under the provisions of the grandfather clause, so he would have been eligible even if he were born outside of the USA and both parents were not US citizens. But, you know, he wasn't disloyal. He wasn't a bad president.
In any case, the words "Natural Born" referred at the time that the Constitution was written only to citizenship due to the place of birth. Not to the parents.
My reply is too long and with too many citations of law. Please contact me in the comment section at http://paraleaglenm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/bara…
I even have some Blackstone for you.
Alexia, if our posters leaving comments here do not recogize these rubber stamp opinions for what they are you can safely leave them in their ignorance. No argument will penetrate that skull. Let the blind lead the blind for they do fall in the ditch.
I did not state that Obama was adopted but that the possibility did exist and we do need to find out what we can about it. Ellen has never come up with an original thought that I have seen. Why argue with a radio or a TV because it is tuned to a certain station. Just turn it off. A lie has no authority so it can be ignored but the truth is still the truth regardless.
I do not state that George Bush was adopted, but the possibility did exist. I do not state that Ronald Reagan was adopted, but the possibility did exist. These are examples of the same speculation shown in Whit's posting.
The way to find out if anyone was adopted is to see whether there was a legal adoption filing or not. In both Hawaii and Indonesia an adoption requires the action of a district court.
So far as we know, no birther has ever looked in those courts. Why not? Because (1) the odds of Obama having been adopted were so low that they were afraid of finding that he was not adopted; Or (2) they did look, but they didn't tell anyone that they did not find that he was adopted.
So write to WND and the other birther publications and suggest that they look into the files and stop speculating until they look, and publish what they find–regardless of what it is.
Of course, the US State Department has denied that Obama was ever adopted http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department…
And, IF Obama were adopted, it would not make him a citizen of Indonesia. The Indonesian government (and the US State Department) have denied that he was a citizen of Indonesia also.
For that matter, adoption has no effect either on US citizenship or on Natural Born Citizen status. So, if he were adopted (which he wasn't), it would have no effect at all.
I did not state that Teddy Roosevelt was adopted but that the possibility did exist and we do need to find out what we can about it.
So, ellen,
One of our guys who is a Hawaiian native is back here for the week and I asked him and
showed him about the pdf doc that I downloaded from WH site. He said his doesn't look
anything like that. He has also said that he got original copy of his long form in 2009 when
they supposedly claim that you can't get them anymore since 2001. Just this year only he is
no longer able to get copy of original.
How you 'splain dat?
Gary Ellen & her creator James McPherson can not !
HAWAII WANT TO SAY THEY HAD A PRES BORN IN HAWAII NO MATERIF IT TEAR OUR COUNTRY APART.THANK HAWAII.I DID'NT LIKE HAWAII WHEN I WAS AT PEARL HARBOR IN THE NAVY.AND I SURE DON'T LIKE HAWAII NOW.
Ellen / James McPherson's bot !
Get over it ! The birth certificate is clearly a fake as well as it's owner is as well plus you.
The Kenyan Parliament National Assembly Records are on-line for Thursday, 25 March 2010
and I would call your attention to page 31 wherein you will find the following . "The other thing that we are addressing through devolution is exclusion. What has made us suffer as a nation is exclusion. Once people feel excluded, even when you want to employ a policeman or constable or you want to build a dispensary, it must come from the centre. In the colonial days, these things were being done on the ground and they could give bursaries and build roads. I commend devolution. Those who fear devolution are living in the past. They are being guided by their ethnic consideration and objectives. They are living in the past. If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.
I beg to support.
Prof. Kamar: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity
to contribute to this historic Motion. I would like to support it with amendments and I
will be mentioning which ……." I am inclined to believe the Kenyan Government and NOT the
usurper and his supporters who have conned the gullible with the disinformation and misdirection. It appears we have a felon who has had several social security numbers and is
reported to be using a Connecticut issued S/S number and he has never been in Connecticut.
Where is the FBI, The CIA, INS, and all other law enforcement agencies ? Documented evidence exists. Remove the usurper immediately and all the damage he has done will evaporate along with the frauds Sotomeyer, and Kagan. Clean our house !!!
We all know that he is a Muslim Communist lier and has duped the Minority Race in preaching to them that he was going to give them homes, jobs and pay off any debt they have to be free. What must we do to rid our Country of a complete Fraud. With the communist czars and poor examples of the presidential staff we must clean it up. Where are the real New Leaders. They are a bunch of "Yes Men and Women that" blesses the ground He walks On" They want to shut down the Conservative News Media and slowly allow or UNITED STATES TO DECAY. We must throw every official that does not work for us Under the Bus. We are Free and want to stay Free. Our Schools are run by Thugs. Scratch my Back and I will Scratch yours.
EVEN if Obama were born onTV IN the White House,his father was a British Subject. That makes Obama a non-"natural-Born Citizen". Obama is disqualified to be POTUS,never was POTUS and never willo be POTUS: http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/17/there-is-n…
The reason that the US Congress voted to confirm Obama's election UANIMOUSLY was that not one single member in the 100 Senators and 435 members of the House of Representatives believes that the citizenship of Obama's father has any effect on Obama's Natural Born Citizen status.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
ELLEN WHAT ABOUT THE PHONY BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
It is not a fake. The director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the original being copied and that the copy was exactly the same as the original. Two Republican officials had seen the original in the files. If there was anything different about the copy, they could have stated that there was a difference—-they said nothing.
ELLEN SHE SAID SHE HAD SEEN THE ONE THAT THEY HAD ON FILE SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT WHY WHEN OR HOW IT GOT THERE.
The birth certificate was on file because it had been filed in 1961. This is confirmed by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers issued by the government of Hawaii in 1961. Two Republican officials have seen the original birth certificate in the files and issued statements about it as early as 2008. None of them have said that the long form birth certificate that was published is any different from the one that they saw.
Which one is it again, ellen? "Two" or "THREE" "Republican officials"?
Two saw it in the files, and stated that they did. Three confirmed, including the governor. The governor also MAY have seen it. Fukino said that she did, but I am not certain, so I did not list her. So, two (at least) saw the document, three confirmed.
Obama was not adopted.
IF Obama had been adopted, there would be an adoption filing either at a Hawaii district court or at an Indonesian district court. Birthers have never sent anyone to investigate; they prefer to speculate. If there were a document that was sealed, there would be a file in the Obama name that has the words on it "sealed." Birthers have chosen not to look for this file because, duh, they are afraid that they will not find it.
The speculation about adoption comes ONLY from birthers, and the US State Department had denied in a legal filing that Obama was adopted http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/department…
Moreover, the law in Hawaii says that if a birth certificate has been amended, it has to say on it that it has been amended, and neither of Obama's birth certificates, the official one that was first released or the newly released long-form, say that they were amended.
Both the Indonesian government (call the Indonesian Embassy to check) and the US government in a legal filing have denied that Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia. EVER.
ELLEN THE AMERICAN SAMOA REP. WAS SENT TO INDONESIA TH GET THE CROOKED GOVERNMENT TO WIPE OUT ALL TRACES OF HIS INDONESIAN CITIZENSHIP AND HIS MUSLIM ROOTS IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY AND ACCESS TO HARASS AND KILL CHRISTIANS. THAT IS ALSO ON RECORD.
Yeah, sure. Yet you can never cite the "record" that anything is "on," except for quoting a few equally nutty conspiracy theorists.
You are pete and re-pete. No one reads your posts. Why don't you just go away?
If you want to talk about discrepancies in birth certificates then why not look at line 18b of the Nordyke's birth certificates? There are two Nordyke's because they were twins. Why is line 18b signed several months before the birth of Elizabeth, and several days before the birth of Gretchen, and why do the dates on line 18b of the certificates for the twins differ by several months?
If anything it would appear that the certificates for the Nordyke twins are fakes.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l…
Most rely on 1776 as the date all colonists not remaining loyal to Britain became U.S. citizens. Article II exempts those made citizens 'at the time of adoption of this constitution' from the natural born citizen requirement.
Jackson's father died prior to 1776, but while the son was gestating. The law considers a fatherless boy whose father died while he was in the womb entitled to inheritance of what the father was entitled to, and with all rights.
A good question is, 'Who was the first natural born citizen president?' Again, most rely on the 1776 Declaration of Independence date.
BTW, I have both Meese's Heritage Foundation book and Black's Law . . . it is unfortunate the natural born citizen issue has not been sufficiently examined. It was done fairly well in SR511 and associated amicus briefs and expert testimony, and two U.S. citizen parents were required.
Everyone is still wondering how Obama got out from under that, for it is obvious that relying solely on native-birth opens our nation up to the 'intrigues' and foreign intrussions the framers were intent on avoiding.
Neither of Andrew Jackson's parents were US citizens. They were both born in Ireland, and neither of them was naturalized.
So you did not answer the question. Would Andrew Jackson be eligible today? He was eligible at the time, but you say that that was only due to his being under the grandfather clause.
Would he be eligible TODAY?
Andrew Jackson proved that he was perfectly loyal. And his views on the Bank of the United States were much the same as Ron Paul's on the Federal Reserve Bank. Would he be eligible?
Sure he would, under Meese's definition, and Black's definition, and the definition of the 535 members of Congress who voted to confirm Obama's election. But not under a definition that requires two citizen parents.
Re the notion that the American-born leaders, such as George Washington, did not consider themselves to be Natural Born. Here is a quotation showing how people used the phrase Natural Born Citizen in 1803, shortly after the Constitution was written:
Here is a quotation from 1803.
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
As you can see, the definition of a Natural Born Citizen is "those born within a state." In other words, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington all considered themselves Natural Born. Alexander Hamilton, born on the island of Nevis, and James Wilson (also a member of the Constitutional Convention), born in Scotland, did not. They are the reason for the grandfather clause.
Would he be eligible today? If not, why not?
He would be 245 years old in 2012, so he would meet the 35 years old requirement . . . as for not being a natural born citizen, as I explained . . . Jackson, and the following two or three presidents were eligible under the 'United States citizens at the time of adoption' clause.
They were not natural born citizens.
So, yes or no, would Andrew Jackson, the victor of the Battle of New Orleans, be eligible today under your criteria? (He certainly would be eligible under my definition, the one that the 535 members of Congress used, Black's and Meese's.)
Because you have said that under your theory, Andrew Jackson was not a Natural Born Citizen, I assume that you conclude that under your theory Andrew Jackson, a great man and strongly loyal to the United States, would not be eligible to run for president today. Is that right?
So, the next question is, do you also hold that George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson were also not Natural Born Citizens and that they also would not be eligible to run for president TODAY?
(Washington and Jefferson already served two terms, so they would not be eligible for that reason, but the question would be whether they were eligible today if they were running for the first time).
If you say "Yes," then the result of your theory is that we would lose the potential to have great presidents similar to at least four of our greatest presidents (six if you include Madison and Monroe), all of whom were loyal.
Moreover, you are saying that the writers of the US Constitution–although they did not tell anyone about it–actually would have forbidden such loyal Americans as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson from running for president if they were born after the adoption of the Constitution.
Your theory holds that they believed that such great men would be loyal if they were born before the Constitution, but after it was adopted, people just like them would not have been allowed to run. because there was a risk that they would not be loyal. Is that what you are saying?
Well, under your theory not only do we lose a lot of potentially great presidents but we have to wonder about the sanity of the writers of the US Constitution. IF they really thought that this theory were true (and of course they didn't), they would have believed that men were capable of being loyal despite having foreign parents if born before the Constitution was adopted, but if born after it, something happens to them, and they become a risk of foreign influence.
The history is that Washington, Adams, etc. didn't think that they were born of foreign parents, despite their parents having been British subjects. And they did not think that they were born in Britain despite being born when the 13 Colonies were part of the British Empire. They thought that they were Natural Born US Citizens at birth, as St. John Tucker used the term.
The case is slightly different for Andrew Jackson. He was born in an American colony of two foreign parents, and hence he was a Natural Born US Citizen despite his two parents being not US citizens at all a the time of his birth. Or, do you seriously believe that the writers of the US Constitution thought that he would be loyal if born before the adoption but not necessarily loyal if born after the adoption?
ELLEN TAKE A BREAK GO SOMEWHERE AND LAY DOWN AND LET YOUR PUPS SUCK
Jim: Are you all that the birther and two-fer movements have come down to? People who do not know enough about the facts to cite them, and people who do not know enough about the US Constitution and US history to discuss it?
How sad for you.
i;ve got enough common sense to know the difference between fake and real. i can also see that there is kerning in the usurper's b. c. it's not rocket science there are two documents side by side one shows kerning and one does not ellen they even have circles around the examples probably a first grader could spot the difference but i guess its probably a little tough for you. the more you talk the stupider you get,it would embarrass me to look as stupid as you look EVERY TIME YOU WRITE SOMETHING
Old manual typewriters skip. It looks like kerning. But, if you look at the birth certificates of the Nordkye twins, they have the same skips.
The director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she saw the original birth certificate in the files being copied and that the copy was exactly the same as the original.
Two Republican officials in Hawaii have stated that they saw the original in the files. If there were anything different in the copy of the original that Obama had posted, they could have revealed that fact. But they did not say anything.
The document expert for Fox news found nothing wrong with the Obama long-form birth certificate.
AND:
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA ALL of the following would have had to have taken place:
Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya);
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
So Obama's was born in the USA. The definition of a Natural Born Citizen including ALL US citizens who were born in the USA (and excluding only naturalized US citizens) is held by the overwhelming consensus of Constitutional scholars.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
IF THE USURPER SLAPPED YOU IN THE FACE YOU WOULD SWEAR IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE EVEN IF THERE WAS NO ONE ANY WHERE NEAR. ALL YOUR REPLIES SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE. THERE ARE THINGS INVESTIGATORS TOP RATED EXPERTS HAVE SAID THE B.C. IS A FAKE ALONG WITH THE S.S.NOS. HE IS USING BUT NOT TO WORRY ELLEN SAYS THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALL FULL OF SH== SHE IS THE EXPERT, SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING. AND THE WORST PART IS SHE THINKS THE REST OF US ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE HER BULL SH==. LIKE I SAID BEFORE GO LAY DOWN AND LET YOUR PUPS SUCK
THREE Republican officials in Hawaii have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. Notices of Obama's birth appeared in the newspapers in 1961. And they were not ads that could have been purchased by the family. Hawaii newspapers did not run birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the Hawaii government, which did not issue them for births outside of Hawaii, and which demanded proof whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
The birth certificate was not forged. The director of health of Hawaii certified in writing that she had seen the document being copied and that the copy was exactly the same as the original. At least two Republican officials had stated that they had seen the original. So, if there were anything different between the original and what they saw, they could have said, and they said nothing.
And numerous document experts have said that the document was not forged:
For example:
Dr. Neal Krawetz (http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/428-After-Birth.html)
And the conservative National Review : http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-l….
And: http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/29/fox-exp….
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE YOU ONLY ONE BEATING THE DRUMS FOR THE IMPOSTER GOOD LUCK YOU ARE HAVING ABOUT AS MUCH EFFECT AS TELLING A HAIR RAISING STORY TO A BALD HEADED MAN