Thanks for nothing, Tim Jones. Way to turn your back on us.
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unless we are able to uncover all of his past that he has hidden so well, we will never be able to put together an effective case against his legitimacy, his true beliefs, his true intentions, his actions against this country. We are going at him with bits and pieces at a time and that is just not cutting it…
Anyone that accepts the forged document that is on the White House Official WEBsite, should never be allowed to hold a public office because they are IDIOT’s!
Truer words were never spoken….what a idiot ?!!?!? A forth grader is smarter than that !!!
Paid some money, a posittion (the could depend on where) threathened ? When the hell are these people going to grow a set !?!?!?
I agree. Tim Jones is a coward because he knows Obama’s birth certificate is not real and in fact is a fraud. He is just taking the easy way out of this situation by declaring it is acceptable for him. Since the election, all Republicans are taking this same stance. They are capitulating to Obama and the Democrats simply because the stupid American voter voted Obama back into office. What a bunch of weasels!.
yes the stupid Americans voted him back in office with the help of all the ilegals that were allowed to vote in states that did not have ID required he won and with some polls reporting more then 100% votes some with 100% for Obama no other candidate ? so he had alot of help. Don’t look to good hope we don’t see 1774 again, tempet times now
Comparing the gutless traitor Missouri speaker of the house to weasels, is an insult to weasels! The interviewer is lower than pond scum and neither one of them is even remotely human. The oxygen the use up could benefit real humans!
Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have claimed that it is forged, and they have not even shown that they are experts, and the certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review (and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and the speaker of the House of the state of Missouri, and the conservative secretary of state of the state of Arizona do not believe the birther experts.
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
you answered it for all to see for the clerk to see it,it had to be put in before he looked for it, it was all set up for him to run for President before that was a question, when he ran for the Senate his form asked if he had any alais aka another name that he went by other then Barrack H Obama his answer was NO, which leads you to think what happen to Barry Soetero, the person that went to Indonesia was Barry, he gave up his US citizenship, yes a minor child can give up citizenship if they are able to understand what it means and he did know what it means to give it up, he came back to America as a exchange student from Indonesia with all the perks, so that is why all his college records are hidden to protect him. All the so called experts that you say have been told what to say and how to say it,you believe that they don’t lie, that the only ones that lie are right wingers so no amount of facts will make a difference to you and all the liberals. You think that no body can do this kind of shady deals his handlers ahd all the bases covered before he ran, with the few minor details they can make it look as though the ones that bring it up are stupid and discount , and name calling to shut they up. Look up the INS rule on this fact about giving up US citizenship here is a hint 35 look it up i’m not doing it for you,you seem to like to look things up,do it and learn that he is not an American their for not eligible. I am not birther but an American who will not stand by and watch our Constitution destroyed by a Muslim who wants to destory the USA and turn it into the USSA. You see it in everthing he has done,from all the EO’s he signs, expanded the NDAA so he can kill anyone any place he so wants even Americans in America hold them for ever take guns away limit what you say, it will not be long watch for his 3rd 4th term, he has started that already because like you and the rest of the liberals think that the Constitution is out dated and uesless for todays times. Have all the fun you want how because when he has control free speach will be a thing of the past out dated no longer needed, they will tell you what when and were to keep you safe, no guns no money no property no freedom just do what they tell you to do in the USSA, me i don’t have to worry about that i wont be here my guns money and property will be taken from my cold dead hands and will go a free man slave to no one
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Re alias. That was in the application for the law license in Illinois, and the question was whether he had practiced law under another name. Moreover, the idea that Obama used an “alias”, when he simply used the name of his stepfather for convenience when he lived in Indonesia, is stretching the use of the term. No, he never legally took the name Soretoro and was never adopted.
Re: “yes a minor child can give up citizenship if they are able to understand what it means and he did…”
Sure he did. First it is wrong, it is impossible for a minor child to give up citizenship. Second, if anyone gives up citizenship, it has to be done IN WRITING before the appropriate US official, which in Indonesia would have been a US Consul, and there is no record of that having taken place. (If there had been such a record, the Bush Administration would have found it and used it in Obama’s first presidential election. There is not such record.)
So Sheriff Joe is lying when he says the birth certificate is a forgery?
Re: ” So Sheriff Joe is lying when he says the birth certificate is a forgery?”
Answer. YES.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama’s two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them. (The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net/?p=541)
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)—-that Obama was born in Hawaii—by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, who is a friend of Sarah Palin’s) and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii—-and only the DOH could send those notices. (Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found. (A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him—and that is hardly likely at all. In fact, it is irrational to believe that Obama’s relatives were rich enough (his grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) or stupid enough to send Obama’s mother on a long, expensive and risky (the incidence of stillbirth was high in those days) trip to a foreign country when she was late in pregnancy——when there were perfectly fine hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
@ellen you need to read what my point is,put down the guide line that the Libers give to all the pundents and learn to think. My point is it does not matter were he was born he gave up US citizenship when his mother took him to Indonesia, the school that he went to was not open to none Muslims and those that were not a citizen of Indonesia, he was of age to know what it ment to give US chitizenship, on that alone he is not eligable to be President,read the INS laws on that, here is a hint look up article 35 and read, in short if you give up US citizenship and want it back you can git it back but only as a naturalize citizen not a natural born citizen, their again makes him uneligable to be President, he can be removed and all things he signed will be null and void,under the charge of fraud usurping the law and murder as well as those that helped and facilitate his rise to power. That way we don’t git Biden or any of the rest of his cabinet you would have with impeachment so put down the kool-aid and stop listening to the Lame Stream Media look to the internet for the truth and you will find it before we all go down. have a nice day and peace be with you
The only way that a US citizen can give up citizenship is IN WRITING filed with the appropriate US official and when you are overseas that would be a US Consul, and there was no such document filed with the US Consul in Indonesia. Moreover, a US child cannot give up US citizenship at all.
Moreover the birther story that you had to be an Indonesian citizen to attend school in Indonesia is their creation. It is false, as telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm, and while you are at it you might as well ask whether he was ever an Indonesian Citizen (ask for the press officer). The answer is that he was never an Indonesian citizen.
As for the rest, dream on. Do you really want to show the world a fine example of why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers crazy?
like i told you before i did go to Indonesia web and read all that i told you don’t call they will tell you nothing about him,as fast as some one finds anything about him they start a information spin to confuse the truth. i am not going to do your research,put down the booklet that you use and look at what he has done give aid and comfort to sworn enemies of the US ie Muslim brotherhood gave them F 16 and Abrams tanks,shut down 5 border patrol stations, shut down the southern low altitude radar,gave the Chinese the San Diego ship yard for them to keep as their deep water port,and more. Do i hate Obama no not him personaly, it could be anyone in office Repu,DEM Indp no matter what party when you start doing what he is doing to this country i will speak out about them you are so willing to give away your freedom keep going like you are and you will git just what you want
Re; “like i told you before i did go to Indonesia web and read all that i told you…”
There is nothing on any Indonesia or Indonesian web site that says that people had to be citizens of Indonesia in order to attend school in Indonesia. Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as the Indonesian embassy in Washington will confirm. As for the rest, Obama is simply continuing the policies of past presidents and the reason for it is that we need to maintain leverage over Egypt. If they do something bad, then we can cut off the aid. If we cut it now, then they definitely have no motive to continue to be neutral towards Israel where the Palestinians are concerned.
As for you not hating Obama, well fine. Then accept the facts. He was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties confirm (including the former Republican governor, who is a friend of Sarah Palin). And that is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
And the meaning of Natural Born citizen has been defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to refer to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
And Obama neither gave up nor lost his US citizenship, which a US-child cannot do, and he never became a citizen of Indonesia, as the Indonesian Embassy will confirm.
As for the Indonesian web site saying something: BALONEY. If you had anything, you would have shown it.
@ellen here you go you go look at mine and see the proof
Go to the alohareporter website and download Barack Obama’s REAL Hawaiian Registration of his Kenyan Birth: http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/18/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/
Using the Forged WH BC download and comparing it to the Real NOT forged Aloha download, you will see the WH BC was made using the aloha BC.
1) First look at Data Entry block # 18a. Think, what is different about this block when compared to all the other blocks on the form, excluding what is written in them? Think, See, Note, What 1961
typewriter has a “Check” on it. Duh! None! What other block on the form has a check in it? Duh?
None! What is used to mark all the other “Check” Blocks on the Form? Duh, X’s or XX’s.
2) Look at the Scratchout on the Data Blocks 18a and 19a. Official Government Documents NEVER HAVE SCRATCH OUTS ON THEM, That is another Forgery TELL. Why is the scratch out on this Document? Answer, It covers up the Xs in the Box “Other” on 18a. Compare with the REAL aloha BC and see the xx’s on “Other” Box. This Indicates/declares that the Aloha Document was used as a “Standard Form” to create the Fraudulent and Forged WH BC.
3) Now look at the Capital Cursive “A” in the signature of the State Registrar, Alvin Onaka.
Everyone knows that Forrest Gump did not invent the “Smiley Face” until after he got out of the Army in the late 1960′s… Duh, what year was Barack Born. That should be easy because it is entered on the form. Duh! 1961.
4) The Stamp that is the Authentication mark above Alvin T. Oanaka’s name has had the “THE” Changed to “TXE”, Duh! That is a acronym for the a transmission Information Interchange, DUH!
5) The name of the local Registrar is Lee. But can you believe it is U K Le Lee, DUH!, you know like Ukulele, the musical instrument.
6) Do you know what the shadow “9″s are in # 9 and # 12b, they mean the block has no data in it. Duh!, Oh No, it does have data in it, Duh! This was stated by Mrs. Lee herself, the Registrar that signed the Birth in Kenya Registration. Ms Lee still lives in Hawaii and is 96 years old. She gave Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo all of the meanings of all of the shadow codes. The codes were used to select data for government data bases. Duh!
7) Now you know Obama is a Forger, Liar, and guilty of a Felony. And all of his Identity
documents are frauds and forgeries. But Glib lazy stupid cool Aid Drinking liberals are too lazy and too hypnotized and actually do not want anyone to break them out of their “Matrix” Coffin of Ignorance. They Love Ignorance.
8) Oh, and Obama’s WH release BC uses Kearning which did not exist in 1961. The spaces between
letters in old typewriters had the same space regardless of which letter followed which. Kearning adjusts the space between letters for each letter following the first. This is for appearance and space compression. For instance a y following a T will overlap. No typewriter of the
1960s era would do that. For example, in Data Block 6a, the “ty” in maternity overlap and the “Gy”
in Gynecological overlap. That alone proves that this BC has been altered and is a Forgery. There are many more “Tells” of forgery. But, Stupid lazy Liberals will not even go to the slide share of the White House website. They do not want their “Balloon” of stupidity “Popped” because it will hurt so much and their Messiah will fall to the depths of Helllll.
What follows shows Barack’s literary bios that he Himself wrote for Acton & Distel in 1991, before he knew that to be President you cannot be born in a foreign country, what an Idiot Constitutional Lawyer he was. And one link is to a photocopy and certified copy of his Kenyan BC and witness statements of how Mommy went into labor at the beach in Mombasa. The best document though is the Hawaiian Registration of his Kenyan birth made by Granny Madlyn Payn Dunham which may be viewed at the Aloha Reporter Newspaper site. And the last is a video on the Kearning used in Obama’s Forged white house Birth Certificate released on the Whitehouse Website and how it uses Kearning which did ot exist in 1961 whitch is ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS A FORGERY.
Have Fun Reading the Truth that you will never get from the Main Stream PROPAGANDA MINISTRY that Obama owns and controls. And the Saudi Muslim Wahhabism’s own Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama II wrote in HIS Literary Bios in 1991 at Acton & Dystel, “Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii” Kenya, HE wrote in 1991 HIS Literary Bios at Acton & Dystel.
To see Obama’s Literary Bios, see the following weblink:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
The following web link contains BHOs Kenyan BC both as a photo copy and a certified copy and has witness videos and statements about how Ann Dunham went into labor at a beach party. She had been refused a return flight to the USA because she was nine months pregnant.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
To see the REAL Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Birth in Kenya visit weblink:
http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/18/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/
To see proof the White House released BC is a fraud and to see his real Hawaiian Birth Registration, see the video of how his WH BC uses Kerning, which did not exist in 1961. The Video’s first 3 minutes shows Kerning used on the WH BC which Absolutely Proves it is a Forgery/Fraud. The next 9 minutes shows his Hawaiian birth Registration of foreign birth, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Honolulu”. The Birth Registration was reported and registered and signed by his Grandmother Madlyn Payne Dunham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hqNBBgwNTMc&feature=endscreen
That rapid blinking is that REM?
As a deemer he is under oath to protect any lie or falsehood his Jackkass party wants and he will fall on his sword regularly as long as they pay him and make his retirement from public life a american dream with tax payer money…..
Actually, the speaker of the house in Missouri is a Republican.
let me put this to all, here is what i have, his Hi. certificate is not a true copy it is reproduced and has different style letters which don’t match,his certificate from Mobassa has a better consistency to it but which is true ? we have prove that he did live in Hi as a baby then his mother married and moved to Indonesia at the age of 6 r 7 and went to a Muslim school that only let citizens of Indonesia go to so his mother gave up his US citizenship so he can go there, can a child give up US citizenship yes under the INS stat a minor child can not give up US citizenship unless they are able to understand what it will mean to them and he understood that he was of age to do that and understand , the school he went to was Islamic based teaching socialist values and anti American and anti western values, his name their was Barry Soetero, then he came back to the US and went to school here as a foreign exchange student with the name Barrack Hussain Obama , when he ran for the senate he had to fill out a application with a question about have you ever used any other name ie alias his name on app was Barrack H Obama and his answer to that was no never used any alias were did Barry go. there is more but you see this is enough to raise a red flag on his elegibility . Why is nothing being done both republicans and democrats are the same and only want to keep their jobs in the NWO. With what is here do you think i am wrong then show me how this is so.
Idiots are NEVER confused by the facts.
It is impossible for a mother or a father or both of them or anyone to give up the citizenship of a US-born child. And Obama certainly never became a citizen of Indonesia, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm. Oh, ask them about the “you had to be an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school in Indonesia” myth. They will tell you that it is not true either.
Re” When he ran for the Senate….alias” That was actually when he applied for his law license, and the question was whether he had practiced law under any any alias. Also, the fact that he used his stepfather’s name for convenience when he was in Indonesia as a child (and many Americans who live in Asia use Asian names) is hardly an alias.
Re: “has different style letters which don’t match.”
Answer. That is what birther “experts’ have claimed. But it is not true. Neither that nor the claim of “kerning” (it was the normal skipping of a manual typewriter), nor the claim that there would not be “layers” (of course there would be layers, that’s how PDF works) is true. A scanned image of a typed document on security paper put into PDF, particularly when some letters are faint, will look like different fonts. That also explains the “TXE” in the long form. It was the way that PDF picked up and attempted to reproduce the faintly typed “H” in “THE.”
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
You’re right ! He’s not legal, as are his relatives in Mass. living on our money !!! Mind you better than we are !!! Leeachers ! Everyone who helped him get in there have to be gone, along with him !! GET HIM OUT, NOW !!!
Obama is perfectly legal, since he was born in Hawaii (as has been shown overwhelmingly), and since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
Hay Hey Ellen Soetoro AKA Ellen Obama You Must Be That “Illegal Aunt” That Has Been On The Dole For Many Years?? You Cut And Paste The Same Lies Every Several Years Ellen Obama.
I simply cite the facts for those who want to see them.
The facts are that Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly by his birth certificate (short form AND long form) of which he showed both the images on the Web and the actual physical copies to the press, and confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor, and still further confirmed by the public Index Data file and still further confirmed by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii and still further confirmed by the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. And the US Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born child, and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.
If you really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
I have always believed, and still do, that Obama’s birth place is Kenya. But, as I told Senator Tom Coburn, let’s just say for the sake of argument that he was born in Hawaii, or any other state he chooses to claim, the fact remains that he is NOT a natural born citizen because his father was not a U.S. citizen, but a subject of Great Britain. The Supreme Court ruled in the 1800s that a natural born citizen is someone born in this country whose parents are both citizens of this country. This also excludes Marco Rubio and Governor Bobby Jindal from LEGALLY holding the office of president. But many Republicans seem to not care what the Constitution says, just as the Democrats do not care. Senator Coburn still claims that Obama is elligible to hold the office of president. We have no representation in Washington; they have ALL sold us out and care only about themselves. Our calls and letters to them are a waste of time.
The “born in Kenya” story is the nuttiest of the birther myths. And in fact the US Supreme Court ruled in 1898 in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. So, Jindal and Rubio, and yes, Obama, are all Natural Born Citizens due to their place of birth. Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly, and the “born in Kenya” story is about as crazy as you can get.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Regarding the birther legal theory that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born US Citizen. In fact, not even one citizen parent is required, only birth in the USA.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
The Wall Street Journal put it this way:
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”
for you to say that any one can go to school in Indonesia is correct if you want to go to a Islamic based state supported school their you have to be one of them, no pass you have to be a citizen of Indonesia to go to the school he went to, go look that up on Indonesia’s web page they tell you all about what it is and who can go to what school can sit here and debunk all your failed facks but you and liberals don’t like to here anything that does not bow down to KING OBAMA
sorry hear not here
Re: “if you want to go to a Islamic based state supported school their you have to be one of them…”
Answer. No that is not true. It is not the law, and it was always STUPID to believe it. It was and is stupid for two reasons (1) you can and should check it with the Indonesian government, and the Indonesian Embassy has a lawyer on its staff; and (2) Well, duh, you could always lie about your citizenship and claim to be an indonesian Citizen even if you weren’t, and that with a bribe or two would always work when Indonesia was as corrupt as it was in the 1970s.
In any case, it is not the law in Indonesia, and Obama never became an Indonesian citizen, as the Indonesian Embassy confirms.
Re: ” you and liberals don’t like to here anything that does not bow down to KING OBAMA..”
Answer. Absurd, and evidence of how your are thinking. Because your motive is that you do not like Obama, you believe that he must have been born in a foreign country and/or became a citizen of Indonesia. Well, there are a lot of people I do not like who were not born in a foreign country and were not citizens of Indonesia. For either of those to be true requires some facts to show them, not the fact that you dislike Obama.
He accepts it but has he examined it?
The long-form-birth-certificate.jpg file that is on the whitehouse.gov website cannot truly be evaluated as none of the defects that Sheriff Arpaio’s posse found are there. The original long-form-birth-certificate.pdf file that was put up at first was easily taken apart and all of the phoniness was obvious to anyone who knew how to use Adobe Illustrator, which is most like the program with which the document was created. I downloaded three copies of the document that was put on whitehouse.gov the first day it was there and it was a “.pdf” document. THAT document was forged. The document that is there is simply a “rasterized” or flattened version saved in “pdf” format. The forgers obviously placed their creation online too soon without converting it into a single layer “pdf” version. Anyone with access to Adobe Illustrator and knows how to use it can easily see the original document was phony. Should you like a copy, send me a request at drtee3@mac.com. It is astonishing to me that all public officials at State levels have readily accepted it. Graphics artists and digital experts are to be found in almost any State’s government offices.
Re Sheriff Joe:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Re: ” Anyone with access to Adobe Illustrator and knows how to use it can easily see the original document was phony. ”
Answer, that is what “birther experts” tell you. But they are lying for their own reasons.
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Many, many brain-dead individuals have gotten drunk on Barry Soetoro’s fool ade, so much so that they have all volunteered to service Barry’s chamber pot; now one more has stepped up to the plate, that being MO speaker of the House, Jim Jones – oops, Tim Jones.
Strength in numbers. Join the crowd that is trying their best to get the attention of our elected officials on Barry’s criminality. Try this on for size:
http://www.petition2congress.com/9026/start-immediate-investigation-barack-obamas-use-forged-ids-ct-ssn/
@dusel1 thank you have signed petition on all fronts to git this done,hope and pray it wiil be so
So many Obama supporters don’t have a clue what the Constitution is all about. As long as the Govt will take care of me, who cares what happens in the world. Our schools have dumb down our people. Put GOD back in school and business.
His political career is over, people remember
Information about Obama’s Indonesian schooling first surfaced in January 2007 in a blog called An American Expat in Southeast Asia. The blog documented Obama was registered Jan. 1, 1968, under the name Barry Soetoro, with serial number 203, in Class 1B at the Catholic Franciscan Assisi Primary School in Jakarta.
School records listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961.
His religion was listed as Islam.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/claim-absolute-proof-obama-was-indonesian-citizen/#rvpW656B8L76lMSS.99
did this help for me to do your research for you
Yes. But did you notice that the document is UNSIGNED????
So, who filled it out???
Who knows, but it is certainly not proof that Obama was an Indonesian citizen when the Indonesian government says that he was NOT an Indonesian Citizen. Do people ever lie to get their children into the right schools? Answer; YES. Do clerks who fill in forms ever assume that the child has the same citizenship as the father? Answer YES (and that accounts for the religion too). In any case, the document is UNSIGNED, and the Indonesian government says that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, and you can check yourself by calling the Indonesian Embassy.
Which to believe, the unsigned application or the Indonesian government? Most rational people will believe the government, not the unsigned application because clerks do make mistakes and parents have been known to lie to get their kids into the right school.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2008/12/obama-was-an-indonesian-citizen/