A slim majority of Republicans are still in disbelief that President Barack Obama, now in his third year in office, was born in the United States and therefore is legally eligible to be president, according to a poll by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling.
The survey looked at whom these “birthers” prefer in the 2012 Republican presidential primary contest. Among the 51 percent of Republicans who think Obama was born outside of America, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was preferred by 24 percent, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin by 19 percent, former Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) by 14 percent and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by 11 percent.
Romney’s performance improves greatly among the 49 percent who think Obama was born here or are not sure. He takes 23 percent among that group compared with 16 percent for Huckabee, 11 percent for Palin and 10 percent for Gingrich.
Huckabee leads with 20 percent support among Republicans overall, followed by Romney with 17 percent, Palin with 15 percent and Gingrich with 12 percent.
The nationwide survey was conducted Feb. 11-13 among 400 Republican primary voters with a 4.9-point margin of error.
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Big deal. Half of Republicans may still think the Earth is flat. And they weren't going to vote for Obama, anyway.
James, grow up. I can't understand how you kids still believe this traitor. I am a
FORMER USMC, AND PRESENT DAV. If you don;t know what I'm talking about, then learn SOMETHING of the true history of this country. Why do you kids let yourselves be indoctrinated by the idiot left, like Soros, (not American), Turner, Buffett, and the rest of these clowns, that never served a DAY in our military. Grow up kids.
How old do you think I am, Devil Doggie? Or are you just getting senile in your advanced age?
But of course among the people who didn't serve a day are all three of W's brothers, Dick Cheney, John Boehner, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Mitch McConnell, Bill Frist, Saxby Chambliss, John Ashcroft, Trent Lott, Phil Gramm, Dick Armey, Tom Delay, Jack Kemp, Eric Cantor, Tom Tancredo, Haley Barbour, Mitt Romney, Karl Rove, John Bolton, Scooter Libby, Rudy Giuliani, George Will, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck. Not a lefty in that bunch.
Sounds like your happy with your $45,583 debt that you owe
How is the debt relevant to what flat-earther birthers think about Obama's birthplace?
YOUR TIME IS RUNNING SHORT YOU BLOW HARD THE SCOTUS HAS DECIDED TO TAKE AQ LOOK AT THE ELIGIBILITY ISSUE
And all half the democrats still believe Bush and Cheney were responsible for 911. Wacko to the left Wackos to the right
you need to sit down and watch this before you go calling people wacko. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTx5R67slS0
Phil Do you believe Bush brought down the Towers?
I don't watch You tube stuff cause they can be miss leading and not factual and sometimes are just plan evil. Its like getting a face-book account and wonder why so many creeps what to be your friend kind of felling when I watch You tubular stuff. I use the internet to study facts and hassle wackos from both political parties. That make up stuff and pass it on then the next person repeats it, then it is heard so many times that it becomes true. Kinda like what a certain political party does to get there lemmings to line up and vote for them. Because they believe it cause the heard it so many time it must be true. And of course a Elected official really really should be trusted even when you say 2 or 3 or 4 of them cause they don't lie and never twist their words. I was already sitting down also. so that doesn't make sense either. Have a nice day.
It should be clear by now that 911 requires a real, thorough and independent investigation. There are too many unaswered questions and obvious cover-ups by NIST and the 911 commission. Bush may or may not have been an active participant, but surely Cheney and the many neoon dual citizens in the Pentagon and other places either allowed it to happen for their own agenda, or actively participated. Scary muslims in a cave do not have the resources to manufacture nanothermate for one thing.
Alert alert alert !!!! Alarm just went off.
Actually, ireuel, there is a lot of factual stuff on youtube. It just has to be
unedited, actual clips, rather than some amatuer spewing his own personal
opinion and popping a bunch of still pictures and some generic videos in for filler
material like the one above.
I do get a kick out of liberal responses to things like Peter Stark telling people
to go kill Mexicans, Obama and his 57 states, etc. Esp. as a response to when
they post Tina Fey seeing Russia from her house (which may be one of Obama's
other 57 states?. which would explain why he doesn't think a confrontation with
Russia is considered an international affair?)
As far as the Pete Stark, Pelosi, Frank, Franken, Reid and other things liberals have said,
my liberal friends always respond, "Well, maybe so and so – may – have said something
like that once or twice"
To which I respond "No, watch it again, it's not "maybe" he/she said that, He/she did
say that. period."
"Because they believe it cause the heard it so many time it must be true."
Oh, as in, "We know Saddam has WMDs," or "mushroom cloud"?
James reread Presidents Bush's UN Speech in 2003, it was not just about WMD. If you believe that is all it was about I could sell you a zinc mine on Al Gore's Property. I'm sure that last part will fly right over some peoples heads here. The UN Could of prevented this along with Russia. Also the big theory we went there for Oil. Ya that worked out real well for us did it. Have you seen who got all the oil contracts? It wasn't us. And considering the state of the rest of the middle east these day Iraq is stable. Heck Maybe a good thumping was in order. I thought that staying to long was a bad idea, but considering the rest of the middle east today Iraq was a good investment. While on the subject I see this Administration sure has their eye on the ball in the middle east. Problem is every department is playing their own ball. They really look like bumbling Idiots around the World, Check the World News from our allies, lets just say they are not impressed. That right we are resetting that now. Resetting was not necessary in foreign policy because everyone Knew right where President Bush stood. He told you straight up.IT funny he told everyone everything he was doing his whole eight years and they call him a liar. Please. You on the left just don't get it, without us Hawks you would not have the freedom you do now. World is a lot more complicated than just taking a Middle East Dictators word that he is clean. Yes someone did lie and he came out this week. If you want to believe he is telling the truth this time. I am sure you saw the article released yesterday.
You on the left are famous for just keeping the message simple like "WMD" Bush Lied People Died". One liners work for comedy, never in foreign policy. Don't worry we Hawks will even protect you when needed.
Saddam paid 25,000 dollars to the families of homicide bombers that would kill civilian Israels and if your living in Gaza no cash and you can take care of your family you blow yourself up for them. Now wouldn't that 25,000 dollar be better spent on schools and health clinic, and needed items instead of blowing up civilians on purpose. See I can not answer you with a clever little one liner, because I have a different view of this world than you.
DO you think that Egypt is going become a Democracy the way this Administration is handling it? I know the middle east very well and I would put more money on Iraq being successful than Egypt . Barry is following the exact game plan Jimmy did when Iran turned in the 1970's. The left love to hate us Hawks and think you can talk tough and say BOO and everyone will fall in line and behave." Not going to do it, wouldn't be Prudent at this Juncture" .
"Mushroom Cloud" Don't use those words in Israel. They and Iran may just may see some. Right before the 12th Emmam. I guess we can tag them Twelvers like birthers.
Look at what you wrote. And they wonder why kids are not getting a good education its dumb teachers like you JIMMIE CRACK CORN .
Hay Hay ACLU Teachers-Azz James Bond McPhewww Soros/Obama Fan Club Of Atheist, Yikeess, All Liars So How Can Anyone Believe This Fan Club?? Yikeess, James Bond You Have The Record For Thumbs Down On All Your Blogs, Pull-Up Rev James Manning Long-Legged Mack Daddy Obama. God Bless America And Sarah Palin POTUS.
Hay Hay Ellen And Teachers-Azz James Bond Both ACLU Atheist Obama-Goons You Both Should Be Lawyers Because Lawyers Lie And Ellen And James Both Get Gold Stars For Never Telling The Truth, Yikeess, Plus Have Been Fighting The System With More Bull-Shit And More Thumbs Down Than Any Two Bloggers On The Net, Yikeess, God Bless America And Sarah Palin POTUS Soon.
I am convinced this man is an illegal and a closet Muslim. Not just because I hate him, but because of his actions and Anti-American actions !!
You'll know them by their fruits,as their fruits bear their spirit….I agree 100%,and would add that I believe He has an agenda ,part of which is to destroy the country
He is the first president to have such disdain for citizens and this counrty.
To James McPherson. Why would anyone want a President who has NO experience but a few months in the Senate where he accomplished nothing? What possible reason could there be for voting for such a person? Hmm, because he is black? That was the rationale for many of the voters who voted for Obama.
If the choice is McCain/Palin, that certainly makes the decision easier. Though that's irrelevant to the subject of the post, of course.
YOUR REAL SICK BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT
For the record I do not think James is sick as posted here.
Misguided yes, lives in the education left bubble? yes. Understands why big business is good and big government is bad? No. Would rather vote left no matter whom it is?Yes Open to any Ideas from the right? No. Now I gotta go find someone on the right to pick on so I am fair a balanced. That shouldn't be to hard. Have a nice day.
I THINK HE GETS CHRIS MATHEWS' THRILL UP HIS LEG WRITING THE STUPID B. S. THAT HE WRITES AND THERE IS NO DOUBT HE WOULD HAVE HIS NOSE UP OBUMMERS' BACK SIDE IF HE COULD GET HIM TO STAND STILL LONG ENOUGH
He actually was in the Senate for more than a few months. Pretty near half of Bush's time
in office and he did accomplish the Fannie/Freddie mess that he later blamed on Bush.
Indeed–he was a Senator for as long as Palin was a governor.
I'll give you credit James on trying to bring Sarah into it and comment on her short time.
And I'll even acknowledge that he did spend just as much time if not more in gov't than
Sarah. But did Sarah feed the Fannie/Freddie mess?
Indeed I do agree but he spent all his time while in the Senate running for President. Its not the amount of time on the job it is the total production at the end of your time. Oh and she had 500,000 dollars in legal fees because something that just went away because she step down. As your fiends here love to say Facts do Matter. How weird that investigations that went away after she step down. But this guy is still spending money on a birth certificate. How I Ironic is that.
AND ALL IN THE HELL HE DONE WAS VOTE PRESENT. YOU SEEM TO BE REAL PROUD OF THAT BUT WHAT THE HELL BIRDS OF A FEATHER
Obummer is NOT eligible to be the POTUS. His father was a Kenyan national and a British subject, said subjectivity passing automatically to the child at birth. At best, O was born with dual citizenship and dual allegiance. Also, daddy was not a U.S. citizen as required by the 'natural born citizen' requirement. He a usurper!
Who told you that the citizenship of Obama's father or dual nationality has any effect on Obama's eligibility? It is wrong. The reason that the US Congress voted to confirm Obama unanimously is that not one member in the 535 agrees with you.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Several SCOTUS judges, Vatel, compiler of _The Law of Nations_, a respected and much used common law reference work of the time (similar to Black's), the founding fathers and the author of the 14th Amendment. For me, that's a very impressive and authoritarian list. Besides that, I have the fact that your definition makes no sense. No way the founding fathers would have a.) used that broad definition which allows foreign influence, b.) had to grandfather themselves if your definition was their intention or c.) inserted a three word phrase where the single term, 'citizen' would otherwise have sufficed.
There is not a shred of proof that the writers of the Constitution relied on Vattel, who is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers while the common law is mentioned about twenty times.
The founding fathers (usually referred to as the Framers of the Constitution) can be shown to have NEVER in any of their writings have used the phase Natural Born the way that Vattel did. NEVER.
The words Natural Born Citizen already limit foreign influence. They forbid any foreigner from becoming president, because that person must be a citizen, and they forbid any naturalized citizen from becoming president because that person must be natural born.
There is no evidence that the writers of Constitution believed either that the US-born children of foreigners are foreigners or that the US-born children of foreigners were likely to be less loyal than or not as good citizens as the US-born children of US citizens.
IF they had thought any such thing, the men some of whom had written: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.' would have told us about the exception to that rule, that the US-born children of foreigners were NOT equal to the US-born children of US citizens.
IF they had intended any such thing, IF they had intended to change the meaning of Natural Born from the way that they had used it all their lives, they would have told us–and they didn't.
I give you specific references and you reply with supposition, innuendo and speculation.
As further support for 'natural born' being a child born on U.S. soil of parentS who were citizenS, The Law of Nations is mentioned BY NAME in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution
You have given NO references other than Vattel, and there is no evidence that the writers of the Constitution relied on Vattel and not Blackstone and the common law. NO evidence at all. And they themselves in any of their writings never used the phrase Natural Born to refer to the parents.
Re: "The Law of Nations is mentioned BY NAME in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution "
Answer: And you are nutty enough to believe that? The words Law and Nations are capitalized, but if you read the text of the Constitution, you will see that they capitalized a LOT. The name of the book, by the way, is THE Law of Nations, but the "the" is not capitalized.
Here is an example of capitalization in the Constitution: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
The capital letters do not mean that there was a book called Justice or one called Union or one called Blessings of Liberty.
And, as I said, Vattel was not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers.
Obama could put the question and controversy to rest by simply releasing his birth record. His stubborn resistance smacks of a cover-up that, if revealed as such, will put him out of office.
Records of his birth in Mombasa, now Kenya, appear to be authentic, certainly more authentic than the record of his birth in Hawaii that he has released.
Obama does not have to show the birth certificate.
It is already on factcheck dot org and his records are sealed. The republican ex-gov Linda Lingle of Hawaii confirmed it. So, he is exempt. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Execut…
see for yourself: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pd…
and: http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html
and: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executiv…
When they finally arrest him for fraud I hope they give you a ride in a cop car too just to make sure you understand the law.
WHEN THE TRUTH COMES OUT YOU SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE AND LAY DOWN AND LET YOUR PUPS SUCK
We have one thing in our favor. Any new president can open an investigation into his eligibility and if found ineligible everything he has signed, his executive orders, everything hits the toilet..
In what world are you living?
In the Good Ole USof A , A new President can question him on his eligibility, that is a fact……
Bob V, would you please post the source of that information? I would like to have it for my files.
Yes, and bye-bye to Sotomayor and Kagen!
How so?
"Records of his birth in Mombasa, now Kenya, appear to be authentic, "
We see a comment like this every time a new birther post comes on, despite the fact that even leading birther site WorldNutsDaily has discounted the Kenyan birth certificate. And next we'll see someone referencing the video where he "admitted" he is a Kenyan. Geez.
It does make it a lot easier to understand the 51 percent, though.
"WorldNutsDaily has discounted the Kenyan birth certificate."
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And just how in bloody hell did they manage to do that? The Kenyan birth certificate is complete – signatures, certification, doctor's signature, witnesses and a footprint. To me, it is a FAR superior document to those (TWO) COLBS which have been shown to be forgeries and simple footprint comparisons would quickly affirm or deny its authenticity — but FOX has not done that.
The Lucas Smith "birth certfiicate" is a forgery. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag…
Moreover, Lucas Smith is a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was forgery. And Lucas Smith never even showed that he had GONE to Kenya. He claimed to have gotten the document in Mombassa, but he never even showed his passport with a Kenyan stamp on it.
The idea that presidents should have their footprints taken whenever convicted felons forge birth certificates is loony.
Your allegation that the COLB is forged is also crazy. The McCain campaign investigated that, and found the allegation false. The attorney general of Hawaii for the last four years until December was a Conservative Republican, who could have taken action if he thought that the document was forged–but he didn't.
1) The facts on Obama’s official birth certificate were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
2) There were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961 (and those were not ads. The newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not issue notices unless there was proof of birth in Hawaii [They did NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations.]).
3) If a child were born in any other country than the USA, she or he would need a US visa or to be entered on the mother’s US passport in order to be allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama, it would have to have been applied for, and the files of the applications for it would still exist–and NO SUCH DOCUMENT HAS BEEN FOUND.
Also, Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. This is a birther lie caused by deliberately cutting the tape before she was asked the question "where was he born?" She answered that question by saying Hawaii repeatedly, and stressing "where his father was studying at the time." And, in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII.
Neither the COLB nor the Kenyan document has been proved/disproved. I merely gave my personal opinion of the documents. For me, it's irrelevant. Either the COLB is true in which case Obummer is ineligible to be the POTUS or it's a forgery in which case Obummer should be run out of town on a rail. Either way, the 50 states should implement laws ensuring that this never again happens.
What does "this" mean?
This situation was entirely caused by birther sites claiming that Obama was born in Kenya or lost his US citizenship in Indonesia–neither of which is true. It was caused by people, such as convicted felons, forging documents (and videos).
Obama has already shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and three Republican officials have confirmed the facts on it, and yet to some people the lies of a convicted felon have weight.
If any state passes any eligibility law, it will do no more than require candidates to show their OFFICIAL birth certificates, not their original ones. They cannot demand the originals because they must accept all other states official documents under the Full Faith and Credit clause of the constitution. And, the COLB of Hawaii is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
YOUR STILL SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE ELLEN
Anyone with an IQ greater than 60 and a little common sense, who isn't an Obama Zombie, knows SOMETHING is wrong with Obama's eligibility. several different somethings to be more specific.
Actually something is wrong with a lot more than just his eligibility.
The question anyone who is capable of rational thought should be asking, and demanding an answer to, is; WHO THE HE!! IS BARACK OBAMA/BARRY SOETORO??
Over and over again, we keep repeating the same story, same info and still no outcome.
There will be a day when "someone" will break and tell all. In the meantime, we the people, need
to take back our country and fire this president usurper. We are the boss/employer and he is
only a employee with such arrogance and stupidity of America that gets worse every day.
Foreclose on the White House and escort him out!!!!@! Think of the money we'd save.
"Over and over again, we keep repeating the same story, same info and still no outcome."
Sounds like a definition of insanity, to me. And by the way, the White House is paid for.
James… are you sure the White House is paid for? China may hold a lien on it!
There is nothing wrong with his eligibity.
Obama does not have to show the birth certificate.
It is already on factcheck dot org and his records are sealed. The republican ex-gov Linda Lingle of Hawaii confirmed it. So, he is exempt. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Execut…
see for yourself: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pd…
and: http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html
and: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executiv…
Ellena is here to support my previous post, thank you Ellena..
He still has to have 2 Citizen parents, which he doesn't! And he should explain why he is using a Social Security number issued in the state of Connecticut to a caucasian male. Why didn't he register with the Selective Service Administration? Where is the proof of his Columbia University degree? Where is the proof of his American citizenship? He gave it up when he became an Indonesian citizen, because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. Face it, his mother hated the US, and his father wasn't a US citizen. He could have been born in Hawaii and still not be eligible to be president.
THAT ONE AND THE OTHER TWO DOZEN HE HAS USED
Heres the problem, Whether he was or was not born in the US, Obummer has conservatives in a no win situation, If we say he wasn't born here we are nuts. If he was and they had proof. Why bring it out, It turns independents against us. They beleive whatever the MSM spouts therefore we are just nuts and why associate with the nuts who beleive this. We can't win on this. This is why even Hannity, Ingram and Beck say we are are part of the looney right nutcases who beleive this.
Yep.
The problem is it doesn't matter what they think, the law is clear. They made their bed and they have to sleep in it, with all the money they make following orders.
Where he was born is only relevant if he was not born in the U.S. in which case he is ineligible. It is irrelevant if he was born in Hawaii since his father was not a U.S. citizen.
We will win in 2012 if at least six states, and especially Texas, will implement a law requiring proof of eligibility against the Vatel definition of 'natural born citizen'. Only then will the issue be forced to the SCOTUS for resolution.
Doubtful. And all of the electoral votes from Texas will go the the GOP candidate, as usual, so what they do matters little.
Moreover, the idea that ANY state would pass a law implementing the Vattel definition is crazy. Some states MAY pass laws requiring that candidates show their official birth certificates, the official ones, not the original ones. That is because under the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution states must honor the official documents of other states. And, of course, the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
Huckabee and Romney, say it ain't so. Romney comes from what may be the most Liberal State in the union, Mass., you can't get elected there and NOT be a LIBERAL, period, end of story. Huckabee, from Arkansas. The same state that gave us Bill Clinton. Huckabee says what you want to hear, so did Clinton, Huckabee playes in a band, so does Clinton, Huckabee came up through the 'Political Machine' in Arkansas, so did Clinton. I Can't trust Huckabee. I like Sarah Palin but I am haveing trouble getting past her continuing support for John McCain, a known RINO. Gingrich puts people to sleep, and no stage presence, eventhough his message is good, unless he's a closet RINO. I'm done voting for the lesser of evil's. It's less than two years till the election and the Republicans still do not have a viable candidate. Obama, the Illegal Alien in the Oval Office, is handing the Republicans the election and as of now they are blowing it.
Obama should produce his ORIGINAL(not copy) birth certificate from Hawaii and he would settle the issue. After that, Kenyan government should be contacted and have them verify if he was born in Kenya or not. ISSUE SETTLED.
There's a footprint on that Kenyan birth certificate. Sure would like to see a comparison done!
Obama does not have to show the birth certificate.
It is already on factcheck dot org and his records are sealed. The republican ex-gov Linda Lingle of Hawaii confirmed it. So, he is exempt. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Execut…
see for yourself: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pd…
and: http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html
and: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executiv…
Ellen As Long As You Write The Same Thing, Why Not Pull Up Johnny Carson Lie Detector Alot Funnier Than Your Blog. God Bless America And Sarah Palin POTUS.
Why not discuss the facts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KPhnflWyKA
Yeah Carol, as Ellen/ellen/Ellena/Ellana/granite/Granite says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MW538g5j0c
Amusing videos, but neither is relevant to the issue of Obama's place of birth or eligibility. It is obvious that you cannot discuss the facts because there aren't any facts that support your position.
Yes there are.
If so, you can list them and discuss them. Here are eight reasons why it is virtually impossible for Obama to have been born in any place other than Hawaii.
ALL of the following would have had to have happened for the Kenya story or the born-outside-the USA story to be true. ALL of them.
1) Obama’s mother would have had to have taken a long (no direct flights, no ships), VERY expensive and highly risky (stillbirths, Yellow Fever) trip to Kenya late in pregnancy (some variations on this for other countries);
2) She would have had to have given birth there and the Kenyan government since then seized and sealed all the files of the birth and of her arrival at Kenyan airports (and that it has been successful in hiding the story that it seized files from everyone except, oddly, WND)
3) The Obama family would have had to have carried the child home despite either not having a visa or a change to a US passport, or that it has somehow not been found.
4) They would have to lie about the birth in Kenya to the officials in Hawaii, which is illegal, risky (Obama’s father could lose his student visa) and completely unnecessary. Why unnecessary? Because you would get Obama all the benefits of citizenship if he were born overseas simply by having him naturalized.
5) They would have to be successful in the lie, claiming that Obama was born outside of a hospital, when there is evidence from a person who did the research that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of birth outside of a hospital.
6) A witness who said that she was told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it would have to be lying
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
7) The THREE officials who have stated that the documents in Obama’s file show that he was born in Hawaii would have to be lying (as would the clerk who filled in the form on the COLB, a total of four);
8) The Kenyan grandmother who said that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi… would have to be lying.
Uhhhhh? (union provide education at work here)
Three points?
A That we accepted the facts put forth by
Ellen/ellen/Ellana/Ellena/granite/Granite/James and could not manage our
own lives.
B. That probably no human power could have relieved us from the Obama Kool Aid.
C. That God could and would if he were sought.
There are a variety of questions about the eligibility of the man who sits in the oval office. If these Republicans so believe then why aren't there hearings being conducted and records and witnesses subpoenaed. Richard Nixon was hounded from office for comparitively minor offenses. These rascals tromp on the Constitution without official protest. Our wonderful country languishes under a cloud of doubt and mistrust. We are a laughing stock to foreign governments and perceived as weak because of our gutless leaders not doing their duty, not only in the Obama matter but in how we conduct our foreign relations. We have given away our jobs, resources and wealth to foreigners who detest us and our way of life. The betrayal is so far gone and so serious that it may be too late to recover. What do you call persons in authority who allow their own country to falter and die? It rhymes with those critters that crawl the swamps in Florida. I would plead for God's mercy but have heard that he grants it only to the just and the righteous.
It appears our new Repubs in office are just as spineless. Probable intimidation and corrupt
deals. We the people must approach OUR White House and demand vacancy upstairs and
down.
Many Americans through exhaustive research have discovered numerous crimes against our constitution and the American people by elected officials, Most dramatically stated and revealed by Gov.Neil Abercrombie (Hawaii) That "in fact", we have a usurper acting as POTUS, Unqualified to serve as president. It is believed and now widely known, that, Obama fails constitutional muster on atleast 2 counts.
(http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/26/who-is-barack-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-6687)
There also seems to have been a conspiracy to fraud the electorate by the certification process in which Mr. Soetoro/Obama (not sure what his LEGAL name is) used a certification document prior to the elections that had been intentionally and fraudulently altered by eliminating the statment: –(and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution:)–.
His legal name is Obama since he never legally changed it either in the USA or Indonesia..
This indicates a conspiracy involving Ex-Speaker Pelosi and others who have knowingly broken our laws, therby nullifying open and free elections, as well as other violations of their own oaths of office.
Additionally, Mr Obama/Soetoro seems to have recieved a "Fullbright Scholarship" reserved for foreign students. As well as fraudulent Social Security numbers in atleast as much, use of multiple numbers? I always thought these were crimes of fraud, perhaps i was wrong.
Once he is unprotected by Holder and investigated I bet the list of illegal activities uncovered is extensive. What is worse yet is the rest of the crooks in DC don't find him offensive at all and they have to know he is a fraud which is why we need an Allen West to hold them accountable.
I would of gone for the educational history on Barry, The birth Certificate is just a circle ______ (add your Own Word). He's in and has people on both side calling the birther wackos. Once your tag with a name the media will never go along. I still can not figure out how he survived while going to school. Work history is conveniently left out. When he was ask about collage financing his response was. "Michele and I just finished paying our student loans" Man; I would of love to of been a reporter at that place and did a follow up on that question. I think it was teed up for him so to get it over. The reporter where pretty much in his camp from the beginning and I think it was staged. I know some that come here with links, but that area is fuzzy for sure.
Indeed the links are a waste. I had Chuck Schumer send me a ling to a fake court document which was scrubbed from the net 24hrs later. What that told me is that these people are well prepared to defend their plan. I'm used to dealing with liars and cheats now as most of government is nothing but a sham. They can't keep it up forever and a lot of people are fed up with it. I think the numbers aren't going to change much from here on out. What comes next will not be an easy pill to swallow for many but there will be no running away from it. The MSM are all being run by the gov. It's obvious. I'm just waiting to see who comes out with the declaration that there is a new set of laws that run America. I guess it won't be Rahm, Axelrod, Gibbs or any of his spineless entourage. They don't have the guts to face America in a firestorm.
Assume he was born in Hawaii. He still is not eligible, per the Constitution, because his father was not a U.S. citizen.
I also still not clear on why this is not a issue. I am not a lawyer but the words on the constitution do say "Parents" you know Plural. I am sure Ellen/Ellana/Ted will be along soon to clear that up for me. If I could find a court case that went all the way up that clarifies this then I would understand. Problem is we really do have to focus on Barry being a One Termed President, That is more humiliating than losing the election. Look how angry old Jimmy is and George SR sure felt the sting for sure.
iruel, you are normally better prepared than what you show here.
Here is one, of many full-text versions of the Constitution that is online that can be searched for the word parent or parents–and neither is in it.
http://constitutionus.com/
I completely support your right to organize and vote against Obama in 2012. I may even join you. However, he is currently the president and is eligible to be president because he was born in the USA, and ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are natural born citizens. (Only naturalized US citizens are not natural born citizens.)
Hillary needs to make a clean break. I think she is trying but Barry didn't offer her that job to play nice. He has her right where he wants her. He thinks. See that's more fun talking about than birth records. Look to the future and do not dwell on the past, only learn from it.
I assume you have given up on your "parents" claim.
The citizenship of Obama's father has no effect on his natural born citizen status. That is why the US Congress voted to confirm his election UNANIMOUSLY.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
It is also widely known that Obama's/Soetoro's Passport information FROM 1981 indicates he, at one time must have had "DUAL CITIZENSHIP" (this fact alone disqualifies Mr Obama/Soetoro from the Presidency) as well as other fraudulent information. Are these not violations and treasonous acts against our laws and Constitution at the higest levels?
A thorough investigation of these facts/theories should be undertaken immeadiately. But dont bother trying to get Eric Holder and the DOJ, Congress, Senate, or the SCOTUS to help you in this matter as they have all previously shown to be "IN-THE-TANK" for Mr Soetoro/Obama and have proven they are willing to violate any other laws necessary to keep this issue from being addressed both politically and legally.
What passport information? Are you repeating the canard that Obama received a passport from Indonesia? He didn't, and he was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a simple telephone call to the Indonesian embassy will confirm.
Yes, Obama did have dual citizenship as a child, dual US/British (later Kenyan) citizenship. But that has no effect. Thomas Jefferson was a dual citizen of the USA and France. having been made a full voting citizen of France by the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.
1. The Supreme Court is going to have to define, once and for all, what is a "natural born citizen."
2. Obama is going to have to produce a long form original birth certificate that, after this amount of time, can pass a forensic test for authenticity.
3. If he meets the definition, he's gets to keep the job and we quit asking. If not, he goes to prison along with everyone who knew about the fraud, and everything that he has signed is null and void.
It is up to the employee to provide evidence of eligibility for a job, not the employer. The employer has the duty, obligation and the right to check on any and all references and documents, but we the people have been denied that right. Why? This is the POTUS and there should be no questions regarding eligibility.
"If he meets the definition, he's gets to keep the job and we quit asking."
Sorry, you can ask all you want–he keeps the job regardless. Probably for six more years, if Republicans choose to spend time on this lunacy.
Republicans are not spending a lot of time on this, and trust me all focus is on his one term. The left has wackos toooooooo. My monies going on anyone against him in the Primary and if that does not happen I will vote for even Daffy Duck if he is a Republican. Da Da Da Dats all folks. One term. The clean up this 4 year will be much larger than the terrible previous eight years we heard about because he is on track to match the same amount to the debt that President Bush put on in Eight years in just four. Please explain to me again why the spending more was required to fix to much spending prior by the government. DAT JUST DON"T MAKE NO CENTS. And the only good jobs today are inside the Belt way of Washington these days. Is that the Change you were expecting, I see it as pretty much the same Spend and then blame it on the other guy so now I gotta raise your Taxes, revenues and what ever word they use to steal our money. Hey Ellen That's the Facts Jack.
Hay Hay The Two Favorite Whackos Teachers-Azz James Bond McPhersonnn And His Daughter Ellen Must Be Paid By The ACLU Or George Soros, Yikeess, Lets See What The Whacko Duo Come Up With Social Security Numbers 25 Each With Barack Obamas Name, Then His Selective Service Card Was Submitted In 2008 Forged, Yikeess, His Mother Ann Dunham Was A Porn Star, His Grandmother Madelyn Dunham Worked At The Oahu Circuit Court Probate Dept And Had Access To The SSN Of Deceased People, Yikeess, Obama Was A Member Of Jermiah Wrights Church For 20 Years, Frank Marshall Davis Of The Communist Party Was His Mentor Tutor And Coach, Yikeess, So As Rev James Manning Says "This Long Legged Mack Daddy Is A Imposter Deluxe And Only A Lie Detector Will Get The Truth Out Of The Manchurian Muslim Pres Obama" God Bless America And Sarah Palin POTUS.
IT AMAZING WHEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT YOU DON'T REALIZE IT AND YOU JUST KEEP ON BEING IDIOTIC
Obviously that NBC clause was inserted so only a person with the highest likelyhood of allegiance would be eligible. Being born with a foreign parent just doesn't wash as NBC, SC or not. Not to mention congress could legislate that status simply because it is not a NBC and would be covered by immigration law since a foreigner would have parental rights which would create an international issue. Just think what might happen if congress passed immigration reform requiring a child with one foreign parent to swear an oath of allegiance. Obama would have to do it as what, president? That shoots down coequal branches of government doesn't it? Then think if congress denied citizenship to all but those born of two citizen parents. They could legally do it, then what?
Under the Conservative rule of strict construction if the Constitution did not say 'two citizen parents," the Constitution does not mean "two citizen parents." Yes, you can respond by saying that liberal justices break this rule, but you have to get at least the conservative justices to vote for this crazy idea, and they won't–in part because of strict constriction.
The main reason, of course, is that Natural Born at the time that the Constitution was written simply referred to citizenship due to the place of birth, not to the parents.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Prove he was even born here first. He won't or can't. The Gov of HI can't and won't. Congress won't even try. No court want's to know the truth for some reason. BHO spent 1.8 million to NOT prove eligibility.
How many people in this country do you suppose are suckers?
Does being a sucker make you more right or above the law?
Re proof of birth in Hawaii. That is easy:
Here is a photocopy of Obama’s official birth certificate. Notice the seal on the back. Yes, it is on Factcheck’s site, but the idea that they could forge such a detailed document and the seal is laughable.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Here is confirmation that it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
IN addition to the birth certificate, the repeated confirmations and the witness cited above there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961 (and those were not ads. The newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not issue notices unless there was proof of birth in Hawaii [They did NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations.]).
Also, if a child were born in any other country than the USA, she or he would need a US visa or to be entered on the mother’s US passport in order to be allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama, it would have to have been applied for, and the files of the applications for it would still exist–and NO SUCH DOCUMENT HAS BEEN FOUND.
And, Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. This is a birther lie caused by deliberately cutting the tape before she was asked the question "where was he born?" She answered that question by saying Hawaii repeatedly, and stressing "where his father was studying at the time." And, in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII.
Here is the real one Ellen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWd2INPhL4
Notice the seal and foot print?
NO ONE HAS SEEN HIS OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND THAT INCLUDES YOU
The Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is the official birth certificate. That is the one that Obama has already posted. I have seen several images of it. Naturally, they were images. How else could he show to the public.
As I said, the COLB is the official birth certificate, used by THOUSANDS of people every year to prove that they were born in the USA. It is not the original birth certificate, but it is unnecessary to show the original since the official is sufficient, especially with the confirmation of its facts by THREE Republican officials.
Here is a photocopy of Obama’s official birth certificate. Notice the seal on the back. Yes, it is on Factcheck’s site, but the idea that they could forge such a detailed document and the seal is laughable.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Here is confirmation that it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
Dream on.
Those involved in this fraud and usurpation of powers against the People of the United States of America and our Constitution SHOULD NOT GO UNCHALLENGED.
I believe Gov Abecrombie, that no Birth Certificate exists, I also believe you will find many documents freely available as well as thru FOIA requests that support the charge of treason against this Usurper acting as President. I'm sure most of our elected officials already know just WHO/WHAT Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro really is but as of yet have failed to act?
Abercrombie did not say this. WND said that he said it. And TWO Republican officials have said, in a written press release, that there was an ORIGINAL birth certificate in Obama's file, and in a second confirmation, they said that it VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, expect our representatives to uphold THEIR OWN OATHS and investigate with unbiased zeal to seek the truth. –or perhaps, maybe they wont bother, since no real harm has been done? with exception to the integrity of our legal system, the laws that govern our Country. The honesty, integrity and eligibility to hold such office by our elected officials, and our most fundemental rights as defined in our Constitution.
Or perhaps the only avenue left to American citizens is not unlike what we are currently seeing in Egypt.
"The two enemies of the people are criminals and the government. So let us tie the second down with chains of the Constitution so that the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
-Thomas Jefferson
To the tenth power gal! You got it! It is the only avenue left, and I'm quite sure that's what our chickenshit politicians are waiting for – to be forced to do the right thing, as it seems they have to be forced to do anything that doesn't fit their schedule or agenda. Massive longterm demonstrations and the possiblity of violent revolution might just force their hand to settle this BS and maybe even get them working for us for a change!
And. 75%of all democrats think they have a right to dictate to the rest of the electorate how they will think, when they will move, what diet to eat and to do as they are told without choice and that some cylon from Battle Star Galactica, the elder, by the name of James Mcpherson is the eternal Guru and, they are all cetifiably insane; at least according to the Deputy Emperor he sees himself to be after of course the annoninted and all knowing wizard of Oz with a GOD complex known as Obama. And, just like ythe two of you, THEY ARE UNEQIVOCALLY WRONG! That was proved to you in November. It will be twice as bad for you both the next time around and if government at large were not so corrupt; He'd be gone for cause NOW. The 112th Congress MUST demand verification of Obama's personal records and settle the eligibility issue once and for all and, they must do it NOW!
Sorry, Niki, it won't happen.
Well that stands to reason. Romney is as socialist as Obama is but he calls himself a Repub and is in the crowd of oath breakers who only hold office for personal gain, obviously.
Why does it keep coming back to his being born here? It is not a matter of birthplace but birthright. He was not born a "Natural Born Citizen" so he could have been born in an outhouse crapper hole for all that matters…. His father was a British subject and under British law so was Obama and that you cannot change period. Read your constitution, a dual citizen was ineligible period!!!!!!
Scapegoat John Mcain didn't have the balls to challenge Obama even when Mcain was briefed on Obamas non-eligibility. Yet Mcain was grilled…why? BUT…if we get rid of Obama we get the very intelligent Vice President……Yea….from the frying pan into the fire.
"Mcain was briefed on Obamas non-eligibility"
Wrong.
"Yet Mcain was grilled"
And wrong again.
Instead of investigating the "Bastard", why not investigate Pelosi and Reid, put the screws to them and make them verify the documents they swore during their vetting. When is this new congress going to check this guy out???
You can forget about that because the gutless wonders in our Congress and Senate are afraid to act because if they do alot of people will face federal charges and possible prison time so what do they do they sweep under the carpet and continue to fool the American Constituency. Some one and you can bet on this some one with the guts and fortitude and strength will arise from this corrupted political machine and make the truth known once this new commer gets angry enough and is very tired of the deceptions and untruths, this Obama birth certificate issue will not go away no matter how hard Obama tries to stop it and make it go away, it will resurrect and become a main issue once this unknown strong politician arises and makes him or herself known and she or he wil be unstoppable and it will bring down the whole corrupted government around us including Obama or Barry Sorroto what ever this clowns name is.
If Obama has a problem with some American citizens being uncomfortable about the amount of money he has spent to avoid this issue, he should simply assure the American people and put them at ease once and for all by producing any and all neccesary documentation once and for all be it for 1,000 Americans or a million Americans but instead he is more interested in playing games that everyone can see through already. His actions and lack thereof also contribute significantly to any suspicions about his background, maybe if he would act, even try to act like an American this sad situation would not exist.
Our President Obama and I use that title loosley is so Anti American by his actions and policies and to actually say through the news media that this guy is a Christian is a untruth because he is a closet Muslim judging from the way he never ever goes to church on Sunday's and rarely celebrates national prayer days. This Obama aka: Barry Sorroto is a American imposter and as a individual do not believe he is a natural born citizen yet alone being a American Citizen which explains his actions in refusing to stop Illegal aliens coming into this country, he is one himself but were not supposed to believe or think that way. Barry Sorroto became our President because the people wanted change and thanks to George Bush failed leadership and administration and John McCanes lozy campaign gave Obama the opportunity to capture the Presidency and brought with him nothing but tyranny and disappointments in his liberal policies and decisions and plunged this nation of ours on throws of Bank Ruptcy and disgrace and made us the laughing stock of the world and other nations.
The man should be in PRISON. Ron Paul should be our current president and anyone who wishes to argue this point is simply uneducated concerning the facts.
Barry should be in prison. Fraud on the scale he has committed it would make him a lifer. Then again the entire government should be charged with treason and be removed for aiding and abetting an enemy of the US during war time. IMO we are without a legitimate government period. We might as well just treat the next election as if it were a first and carefully select patriots who will represent a new America freed from the corrupt and fraudulent old government entirely.
So, A_pen, do you agree that "Ron Paul should be our current president and anyone who wishes to argue this point is simply uneducated concerning the facts."
Apparently anyone who disagrees with Calescus is an idiot; I certainly hope you don't fall into that category.
I wouldn't mind one bit if RP was president. At least he would be a lawful one. That doesn't take a whole lot of brain power to figure that out. It just takes integrity to admit it.
The "birther" issue is not about whether or not Obama was born in the United States. The issue is the vetting process for president and having a leader who is qualified to serve as the leader of the free world. Obama clearly is not and had he been required to go through the security clearance process many of us have had to clear before we could gain government employment the birth certificate issue would go away. We simply do not want to give the codes to the U.S. nuclear weapons to someone who can not even produce proof that he is a natural born citizen of the U.S.
Obama has shown proof that he is a natural born citizen by proving that he was born in Hawaii with his official birth certificate and the confirmation of THREE Republican officials. His election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress. Not one member in 100 senators and 435 representatives voted against. He also was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States, a conservative Republican.
Well, Bill O'Reilly was pontificating tonight about the "birthers". He stated that "his researchers" had done a thorough job investigating Obama's birthplace and intimated that birthers were just "ill informed and basically, stupid. I resent his pomposity and know it all attitude. I, too, feel there are too many unanswered questions regarding his birth, even whether Obama, Sr. was his real father or if his "mentor, self-admitted communist" Meyer Davis was. His mother was such a tramp that anyone could have been his father. The main concern is not his birthplace, but all of the other background information regarding, where he lived, his Indonesian citizenship, (did he ever change it to American–which would disallow his running for POTUS) his school record that states he is Muslim. How did he get financial aid for a foreign student if he is an American? If he received it, he got it by defrauding the government, ie. stealing! I am more interested in his finances during his college years, where and who did the money come from, any articles written by him in the Harvard Law Review, what classmates remember him…any and everything about him from the time he returned to Hawaii to live with his communist grandparents. No honest, transparent, person who did not have some SERIOUS issues to hide would have worked so hard to hide his background. HOWEVER, HE AND THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO USE THE BIRTHER ISSUE TO MAKE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS OBAMA ABOUT ANYTHING, LOOK LIKE A DUMB, IGNORANT HICK. I HAVE NEWS FOR Mr. O'Reilly and company, we are anything but a bunch of ignorant hicks and know that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, IT IS A DAMN DUCK!
One of the best posts ever! Mr. O'Reilly is a big disappointment. Who cares where Soetoro was born? He is not who he claims to be! He is a fraud who has never proven his allegiance to the USA. He was never a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago. His colleagues at UC claimed that he wasn't qualified to be even be considered for a guest lecturer position. He was considered lazy, and his students had no idea what his tests were about. His books were written by Bill Ayers, the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist. Obama is a stooge who sold his soul to some very powerful people who rewarded him with a place at Harvard and the presidency. Take away his Blackberry, teleprompter, and czars. He won't have an original thought.
Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a simple telephone call to the indonesian embassy will confirm. There is an unsigned application to a school that says that he was an Indonesian citizen and a Moslem–but unsigned applications can lie.
There is not a shred of evidence that he received financial aid as a foreign student. This was entirely created by birther sites, and there has been no confirmation (except for an April Fool's story).
Sadly, he did not write any articles for the Harvard Review, so he cannot show any. This can be used as evidence of him being lazy or being focused on editing and not on writing, but the one thing that they CANNOT be used to show is that he hid any articles because there weren't any.
O'Reilly is not alone. He and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck all have called birthers crazy.
J.M. IS LIKE THE REST OF THE PHONY CROWD HE TAKES UP FOR. IF NOT HE COULD INCLUDE THE REST OF HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHICH ADD UP TO A LOT MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED PLUS PRESENT VOTES SO HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS THAT WAS OVER HIS HEAD. LIKE JAMES WHO WRITES STUPID THINGS BECAUSE THAT IS ALL HE KNOWS. APPARENTLY JAMES AND ELLEN ARE THE SAME OR THEY COMPARE NOTES
I am not James, and I have never seen any of his notes. And, you did not respond to the facts stated that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia (as you can confirm by calling the Indonesian embassy), there is no evidence of him receiving financial aid as a foreign student, and did not write any articles for the Harvard Law Review.
NOBODY WOULD KNOW THAT YOU BOTH SOUND JUST ALIKE DUMB AS HELL AND AND PROUD OF IT IF NOT YOU WOULD SHUT THE HELL UP AND NOBODY BUT YOU WOULD KNOW HOW DUMB YOU ARE
It no long matters "where" obama (aka barry soetoro) was born- – what matters is his MO- -that is high crimes, espionage and treason! He has to be removed from office, tried and hung!
The who preached transparency is the most NON transparent…go figure. All talk and disguise….. Impostor, usurper, fake, smoke and mirrors, shallow, dishonest. Everything this man does is anti American. Why haven't the people, other than Terry Lakin, demanded his credentials is beyond me……
We have written to our reps. we have called our reps.and they ALL give the same answer! Like Oreilly last night-trying to make us all look like "nuts" because we DARE to question o's eligibility! I remember the news in 1961-the interviews with Anne Dunham as she was about to leave the USA.I'm 64 years old-I REMEMBER ,as i'm sure others do too!
MR. Obama's background is extremely complex. It is no wonder he refuses to disclose documents which other U.S. Presidents have willingly disclosed, during a Congressional vetting process.
There would no questions if Mr. Obama had been vetted. Usually, when a person places blocks to documents, there is something the person desires to hide. Americans deserve a President of this great Nation who is willing to clarify his eligibilty to serve. Mr. Obama is not that person, especially when he has spent millions in legal requests to prove his eligibilty. It appears being a community organizer leader is not sufficient experience to serve as U.S. President.
Re: "It is no wonder he refuses to disclose documents which other U.S. Presidents have willingly disclosed, during a Congressional vetting process. "
Obama has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and no president before him showed a birth certificate at all. What other documents are you referring to? And what Congressional "vetting" process? Obama does not have to show his school or college records, and no president has ever shown detailed transcripts (a few have shown grade point averages), or their parents' marriage license, or their passports.
It should be clear to anyone who is paying attention that Barry is not qualified per Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5 which requires the president to be a "natural born citizen" meaning both parents are also citizens.
Regarding the preferences for the presidential poll, I wonder was Ron Paul included?? If not, why not?
Who told you that both parents have to be US citizens? Who told you that one parent has to be a US citizen? Both are wrong. If a child is born in the USA and becomes a US citizen because his parents are not foreign diplomats, he is a Natural Born US citizen. Only naturalized US citizens are not Natural Born US citizens.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
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Obama is an illegal, period. I'm looking at Chris Christie , as a presidentual hopeful. At least he stands up to those traitors. He seems to have some backbone.
Hey Ellen see I told you this yesterday, They don't believe. You got a lot of work ahead of you. Good Luck Seriously: Good luck.
I don't think obama was born in America either. He should just put the question to rest and provide the absolute truth if he was born in America
HE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT FROM KENYA OR INDIANOSIA AND BE WELL HID WHEN HE DOES
I am not Ellene, and I disagree with her on the "his records are sealed"–they are simply private, protected by state privacy laws.
Obama has, however, already posted the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by three Republican officials in Hawaii.
Since when did D.C. become a state?
Or for the matter, when did the USA itself become a state?
Executive order 13489 isn't a state law of any state. It is a National executive order.
Hawaii became a state in 1959. Since that's where Obama was born, I assume those are the state laws Ellen was talking about. And I assume you knew that.
That's absolutely right. Hawaii's state privacy laws apply to his birth certificate and school records in Hawaii. Other state privacy records and the Federal law known as the Buckley Amendment (http://www.unh.edu/registrar/faq/buckley.html) protect the privacy of his college and graduate school records.
But Obama is not the Gov. of Hawaii.
He is acting as Prez of the US.
He issued an Executive Order as the POTUS not POTSOH or GOTSOH.
He did not issue an executive order on a state level.
I'm pretty sure you watch Mike Mooron's Fahrenheit 911 at least once a
month, you know the part where he request Bush's military orders
and there's another name on it blacked out.
That is standard procedure to list several names on a single sheet of paper
and when Mooron requested Bush's orders that is all they can disclose.
That's part of the Privacy Act of 1974. Now, if he knew who else's names
were on the orders and stated before hand, those names wouldn't have
been blacked out.
Just because there's other names on the order doesn't mean that they are
somehow tied. All my orders always had other names on them as well and
usually I never met or knew half the other names on my orders.
I'm pretty sure that Jame's deployment orders listed the names of other
Cub Scouts to be deployed out on the Weiner and marshmallow roasting
manuvers that he had to deploy on.
Like all previous presidents, and like all ordinary citizens, the laws of privacy apply to Obama's records in Hawaii and in other states.
The Executive Order is another birther fallacy. It applies ONLY to the Federal presidential records of presidents and former presidents, and it actually makes it harder for them to seal their records than a similar executive order issued by George Bush (you have to compare the two to see the difference). In any case, it applies ONLY to federal presidential records and does NOT seal any state, college or private organization records.
So, the records are not sealed–they are simply private. Just as private now as they were always. Not changed by the executive order at all. Private under the privacy laws.
Re military orders. It is not clear to me that they are covered under privacy laws. In Hawaii birth certificates are covered, and all college records are covered under federal laws (and often state privacy laws as well).
Nice finish Gary. He would not know what a real deployment was except the deployment of his little army of anti-birtherbots deployed across the internet. I see them everywhere with the same per loaded links. Kind scary if you think about it. And for all their work how many have they convened? ZERO. I bet they all were part of the Bash Bush Club I use to see around. Still a few of them still posting links on fudged half truths about President Bush out there even today. You can't ask them anything and get a response and they always want to discuss the FACTS. When you do post a comment they respond in an almost robotic fashion and prepared facts. I give up on them sometimes then get drawn back in to amuse myself for a while. They are real easy to upset to. Have a good day.
PS: I don't need to discuss facts, I have lives more facts than they ever will.
I guess his claim of having equal military experience would
mean that his entry into the pinewood derby makes him
equivalent to a 91 Bravo?
BUT THEY DON'T APPLY TO HIS OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE RECORDS THAT ARE HID BECAUSE HE ENTERED AS A FOREIGN STUDENT
There is absolutely no evidence that he entered Occidental as a foreign student.
Both the state privacy laws of California and the federal Buckley Amendment do apply to Obama's Occidental records.
WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE HE IS HIDING HIS OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE PAPERS? DO YOU THINK THEY COULD POSSIBLY SHOW HE ENTERED AS A FOREIGN STUDENT?
No president has ever shown his college papers or his transcripts or his financial aid forms. Obama is just doing what the others did.
You are correct, but because the schools President Bush attended are all left minded they conveniently released every thing about him. Out the back door. I don't think any of them really respected him very much. Kind sad cause if they really did meet him he at least would of treated them with respect unlike the "I don' t really care about anyone except myself currently occupying the White House now". Sad how politics even has to be part of education these days. I could understand if you are going for a political science degree but it seems our children are being indoctrinated the the left is always right and leaking school documentations when you are not like minded is pitiful.
I still have not seen a single response to my facts I posted the other day about Father citizenship and the baby Barry should follow it , You know the 4 Supreme court rulings about Nature Born Citizen thingy.
Ya you got nothing factual to answer my question, you are just like Barry. Stay focused on place of birth and not the other things that should be addressed like Barry and the real story of citizenship's. Note Plural: .
The fact that the folks at Yale leaked Bush's transcript does not mean that other schools should leak Obama's transcript, or your transcript or my transcript. The fact that one university did a bad thing does not mean that others should also do a bad thing.
There is nothing in the US Constitution that says that the father's citizenship affects US citizenship or Natural Born citizen status. Under strict construction–remember Strict Construction? The principle that conservatives are said to hold dear?–if the Constitution does not say something, it does not mean it. Well, the US Constitution does not say that one inherits from the father or that the father's citizenship affects Natural Born status.
And the key US Supreme Court ruling, the Wong Kim Ark case, ruled six to two (one not voting) that EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is Natural Born. When a person is both a citizen and Natural Born, she or he is a Natural Born Citizen. The citizenship of the father, or of the father and the mother, has no effect on this.
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):
“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
What makes the third child a natural-born citizen unlike her siblings? She was born in the USA.
THAT IS A DAMN LIE AND YOU KNOW IT. ITS TIME FOR YOU TO TELL THE TRUTH OR SHUT THE HELL UP.
Then why not discuss the facts or the law yourself. I have. I have show that there is overwhelming evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and I have shown that the term Natural Born Citizen applies to every US citizen who was born in the USA and that the only US citizens who are not Natural Born are naturalized citizens.
The Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case ruled that:
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
That is why such constitutional scholars as Edwin Meese, who edited the Heritage Society's volume on the constitution hold that:
"“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Not according to: http://www.westernjournalism.com/blast-from-the-p…
So you're relying on the veracity of three dandy sources: Gaddafi, the Israeli equivalent of Fox News, and the Western "Journalism" Center. Gee, who wouldn't buy that?
@ellen
You claim he was born in the USA. However, he has presented no evidence that this is so. His "short form" birth record is merely proof that he as born, not that he was born in Hawaii. If he we born in the USA, why is he hiding the fact? Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
Obama has already shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii. Obama is not hiding this fact. In fact, he was the first and only US president or presidential candidate to have shown his birth certificate. (McCain didn't; the one that is online is not his.)
ELLEN YOU CAN STOP SHILLING FOR OBUMMER I HEAR HE LIKES MEN
ALSO YOU NEED TO GET HOLD OF YOUR SELF IT LOOKS LIKE THE SCOTUS IS GOING TO LOOK AT HIS LEGAL STATUS TO BE WHERE HE IS
Why not discuss the facts? I may not even vote for Obama in 2012, but he was born in Hawaii, and that fact has been repeatedly confirmed.
When Obama was running for the Illinois senate he was billed as Kenyan born. Who do you suppose told the reporters that? Were there "birthers" then? Funny thing is he was proud of it then. Now it is all hush hush he was born in Hawaii, see the newspaper clippings. But those clippings are proof of nothing but a reported birth which may very well been done by the Dunhams. To date the only hospital generated long form BC comes from Kenya. There are witness statements from Kenya that confirm the birth and pictures of the Obamas with the new born baby there.
What more does it take to get a formal investigation into the matter to unearth the truth which is not being put forth freely here despite the law of the land making it the presidents duty to prove his eligibility. Spending 1.8 million to make a legal fight to deny access to his identity is not what any sane person would call obeying the law.
Yet you can't seem to find a single clipping from an Illinois newspaper that backs up your "Kenyan born" lunacy. Newspaper archives are easy to access, so how about some evidence?
You are right James, google it like I did, it's there. Just like I tell everyone else, I'm not going to tutor you if what you can easily find yourself is easier than asking someone else to lead you to it. BTW, isn't that what an education is for James? To learn how to learn what you need to know?
A-pen, since the best you could do was to offer some irrelevant links, perhaps you misread what I said. Just in case, I'll repeat it for you: "Yet you can't seem to find A SINGLE CLIPPING FROM AN ILLINOIS NEWSPAPER that backs up your "Kenyan born" lunacy."
Your comment that Obama "was billed as Kenyan born" might actually lead some gullibe rube to believe that someone in his party, or someone in his family, or someone actually involved in the Illinois elections had actually made such a claim. And apparently you know that's not the case, so I assume you're being intentionally misleading.
That's part of what an education is for, by the way–to recognize when someone is trying to obscure his lack of a credible argument with bluster and deception.
Thats your cover? How about you show me what is relevant then? A newspaper clipping from Hawaii that is claimed to be produced only by the department of health and that claim is unsubstantiated by HI law. You can not produce any proof he was born in HI and a COLB is demonstrated under HI law to be granted for four reasons and none of which replace the long form birth certificate only augment one if it exists. If that were the case, an augmented BC, then the COLB would state so on the face. I've researched all of it James and I can tell you haven't just by your willingness to stick to any argument that does not go to the core issue of both verifying the birth on US soil and second that the birth then meets the NBC qualifier as set forth in the constitution. I already pointed out that any form of citizenship that congress can legislate is not NBC. You will find historical evidence of such legislation in Immigration law. That is relevant as is the production of the Kenyan BC which is investigatable unlike the jpeg image of a COLB.
ALL of these things would have had to have happened for the Kenya story to be true. ALL of them.
1) Obama’s mother would have had to have taken a long (no direct flights, no ships), VERY expensive and highly risky (stillbirths, Yellow Fever) trip to Kenya late in pregnancy;
2) She would have had to have given birth there and the Kenyan government since then seized and sealed all the files of the birth and of her arrival at Kenyan airports (and that it has been successful in hiding the story that it seized files from everyone except, oddly, WND);
3) The Obama family would have had to have carried the child home despite either not having a visa or a change to a US passport, or that it has somehow not been found. I am referring to the application for the visa or for the change to the birth certificate, which would be filed under applications for visas or for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961;
4) The parents or other relatives would have to lie about the birth in Kenya to the officials in Hawaii, which is illegal, risky (Obama’s father could lose his student visa) and completely unnecessary. Why unnecessary? Because you would get Obama all the benefits of citizenship if he were born overseas simply by having him naturalized.
5) They would have to be successful in the lie, claiming that Obama was born outside of a hospital, when there is evidence that this is impossible because a person who did the research has shown that that Hawaii did not all “walk in” birth registrations but demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of birth outside of a hospital;
6) A witness who said that she was told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it would have to be lying
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
7) The THREE officials who have stated that the documents in Obama’s file show that he was born in Hawaii would have to be lying (actually, there would have had to have been four lying, including the clerk who filled in the form that generated the Certification);
8) The Kenyan grandmother who said that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi… would have to be lying.
ALL that would have to happen, all eight points. The trip to Kenya would have been Enormously expensive, some estimates say $20,000 in 2011 dollars for two round trip. It is absurd to think that they even did that. So what are the odds of all eight things happening?
Also, the notices in the Hawaii newspapers were only official notices sent by the government. They were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did not accept short birth notice advertisements to run in the birth notices section. They only ran notices that were sent by the department of vital records. And the government in Hawaii would no send out such a notice unless it had PROOF of birth in Hawaii. It did not accept "walk in" birth registrations. When there was a claim that a child was born outside of a hospital, the Hawaii government insisted on a witness statement–such as from the doctor or midwife.
You make it sound like it would have been an international incident to have traveled to Kenya in 1961.
FYI, yes all passport documents are hidden or claimed destroyed for that time period.
Obama SR would have finished his semester in May with Ann. Tom Mboya (records sealed as well) could have funded their trip without any problems. Given the fact Obama SR's father was irate that he'd married a white woman and Toms need to see SR finish school he would have had incentive to bring the couple there to make peace.
The passport issue has been researched and though the baby would have had problems entering HI she could easily have gone to Canada as it was a British protectorate and would have recognized the child and allowed entry. From there she would have had a short trip to Washington where she did show up with a baby she did not know how to care for.
Bottom line, why not just show the document the hospital generated? Obama claims privacy rights?? The constitution is superior to Obama's privacy rights.
Re: “You make it sound like it would have been an international incident to have traveled to Kenya in 1961.”
Answer: It was extremely difficult and expensive. There were no direct flights, so the trip would have had to have been either Hawaii-LA, NYC, London, Rome, Cairo, Nairobi (possibly even a stop in Chicago since planes often could not fly direct from LA to NYC in those days), or Hawaii-Tokyo, Hong Kong, Bangkok, New Delhi, Teheran, Cairo, Nairobi.
It is estimated that such a trip would have cost around $20,000 for two in 2011 dollars in 1961, and since the planes were poorly pressurized, it was extremely risky to take late in pregnancy. Obama’s parents did not have that kind of money, and if they did, they would not have taken such a trip late in pregnancy. After all, if they had had the money, they could get the same result by going after the child was born and showing him to his grandparents.
Re: “FYI, yes all passport documents are hidden or claimed destroyed for that time period.”
Answer: I am referring to the APPLICATIONS for visas or the APPLICATIONS for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961—which no one has shown to have been destroyed.
Re: “Tom Mboya (records sealed as well) could have funded their trip without any problems. Given the fact Obama SR's father was irate that he'd married a white woman and Toms need to see SR finish school he would have had incentive to bring the couple there to make peace.”
Answer: The Mboya bit is mere speculation. Actually it is pretty far-fetched. It would have required someone to carry the money or an international bank to bank transfer (which also would have been recorded and if it existed could have been found by now). And the incentive of bringing the couple there “to make peace” could just as easily (and without the risk of stillbirth) have been done after the child was born, when he could be carried on the trip.
Re: “The passport issue has been researched and though the baby would have had problems entering HI she could easily have gone to Canada as it was a British protectorate and would have recognized the child and allowed entry. ‘
Answer: Canada would also have required either a British passport for Obama (which would have had to have been applied for in Kenya) or a US passport for Obama’s mother and Obama. Otherwise, Canada would not have allowed Obama to enter Canada. Do you think that Canada just allowed women to carry children into Canada from AFRICA in those days?
Re: “Bottom line, why not just show the document the hospital generated? “
Answer: Bottom line, why not just show the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, confirmed by THREE Republican officials, further confirmed by the notices in the Hawaii newspapers, further confirmed by this witness
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
I like how you always pretend that a COLB is a birth certificate. It always comes back to that simple little document which must exist. There are other people born within days that have shown theirs so they did in fact generate them.
Then there is the entire alias of Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama that hasn't been answered. My money is on a fullbright scholarship was used for the Occidental attendance which is why those records are sealed. The name change came at the time his mother divorced Lolo and by then he was an adult so he legally is still Barry Soetoro and using the alias Barack Obama. That much is documented in the divorce as he is the adult child of the marriage spoken of. Tack that on to the mystery of why all the hiding.
The COLB is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. Thousands of people use it to prove that they were born in the USA every year. Yes, there were also original birth certificates, but Hawaii has not sent them out since 2001, not even to people born before 2001. The COLB is the official birth certificate issued to everyone since 2001, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military.
Yes, Obama did use his stepfather's name in Indonesia, but so what? He never legally changed his name and he was never adopted by Soetoro, and he never became a citizen of Indonesia–as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.
Fullbright scholarships are issued only to graduate students. Occidental's records are not sealed; they are private like everyone's college records.
Since Obama never legally changed his name to Soetoro, he is still Obama. He never was legally named Soetoro.
You got proof of this:
Since Obama never legally changed his name to Soetoro, he is still Obama. He never was legally named Soetoro.
Speculations;
It is estimated that such a trip would have cost around $20,000 for two in 2011 dollars in 1961, and since the planes were poorly pressurized, it was extremely risky to take late in pregnancy. Obama’s parents did not have that kind of money, and if they did, they would not have taken such a trip late in pregnancy. After all, if they had had the money, they could get the same result by going after the child was born and showing him to his grandparents
20,000 Dollars in 1961 – you could of bought the whole plane, airport, and paid the pilot. Also you assume she would of had to fly to Kenya late in her pregnancy. No one knows when and where she flew but she sure traveled a lot around the birth date. The only fact at that time period is she showed up in Washington State to start school around two weeks after Barry was born. As for no money in the family, his mother and father sure flew a lot of places most of the time separately, New York, Hawaii, Washington State and on and on. Now somebody was paying for all that were they.
And finally to say that it would be very risky of Barry's Mother to travel in that condition. I thing the evidences is that for the 1960's to marry and Black Man was probable a risky move or let say not an everyday excepted practice or accepted in most communities. I am not a racist as you called us all the other day or was that Ellena, doesn't matter. But I was a adult in the 60's and ya just didn't have a lot of that back in the day. Lots of places still had white and black bathrooms. Also the whole history of his mother was really risky for that time frame . So the risky would of been profitable been a normal for her. Just guessing. If you were not around in the 60's you sould not comment using it as part of your defense.
Who said she flew everywhere back in the day, ships were very popular and used for travel a lot more than planes for the less fortunate.
Also, all of the investigation is underway and can be viewed on scribd under Strunk, google them they are numerous and mostly outstanding. In other words there is a concerted effort by all opposing parties to deny C. Strunk any information at all. Care to explain why that might be ? Keep in mind the parties are deceased in much of the requests so privacy rights have terminated.
Did you know that Strunk did not ask to see the passport documents in Obama's mother's file? He only asked to see the applications for the passports. Wonder why?
Possibly because he knew that some of the applications had been destroyed but the passport records themselves have not been destroyed. In other words, the application in the file for a passport is long gone. The document that reads "passport granted to Stanley Ann etc, X date" is still in the file–but Strunk DID NOT ASK TO SEE IT. Wonder why?
Thats because those have already been FOIA'd by another person and were only given for the renewal on return from Indonesia. Previous passports are being litigated because state dept and nat archives both claim the other either has them or destroyed them which is not legal without special orders and even then they should have been digitized. Kind of blows that excuse doesn't it?
Look, every possible avenue has been explored. There are numerous people all working to put the puzzle together and all conclude the same thing, there is an effort being made to confound every possible method of verifying the Obama story. It is obvious. With the shear volume of material it is impossible to believe that with this one person there is not a single complete record among his entire family. The frustration is intentional. I guarantee at some point in time there will no longer be interested parties in all the positions that are currently stalling. I can also assure you that there will be suits ongoing when that time arrives there will be an accounting. As the saying goes, you can run but you can't hide.
Re: "Thats because those have already been FOIA'd by another person…"
Why do you make these things up? Who? When? What was the date of the first birth certificate that Obama's mother received?
Obama was born in HAWAII as his official birth certificate and the confirmation of THREE Republican officials shows. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She clearly said tha the was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII.
It amusing to me of all the answers you have for every possible scenario. I hope this does lead to some post birth certificate sickness or something. Seriously I think your more obsessed than some real birthers I have meet.
YOU JUST DESCRIBED YOUR SELF TO A TEE
"That's part of what an education is for, by the way–to recognize when someone is trying to obscure his lack of a credible argument with bluster and deception."
Exactly, and that is just what Obama is doing by not showing his original certificate.
Thanks, for proving our point.
Here's one that google can't scrub just in case there is a slight problem with their accidentally misplacing data. There are many articles if you look. http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastand…
That was a KENYAN newspaper that inserted the words "Kenya-born" into the AP article, and the AP has denied inserting those words itself. The Kenyan newspaper did not cite any evidence for birth in Kenya or even a source. It simply inserted those words, probably referring not to the PLACE of birth but to the fact that a Kenyan father had participated in his birth.
And, what gives you the idea that the Kenyan newspaper is reliable?
The Wall Street Journal, a far more reliable newspaper than the Nairobi paper, said: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”
The National Review said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”
1) The facts on Obama’s official birth certificate were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
2) There were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961 (and those were not ads. The newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not issue notices unless there was proof of birth in Hawaii [They did NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations.]).
3) If a child were born in any other country than the USA, she or he would need a US visa or to be entered on the mother’s US passport in order to be allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama, it would have to have been applied for, and the files of the applications for it would still exist–and NO SUCH DOCUMENT HAS BEEN FOUND.
Also, Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. This is a birther lie caused by deliberately cutting the tape before she was asked the question "where was he born?" She answered that question by saying Hawaii repeatedly, and stressing "where his father was studying at the time." And, in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3977739.stm
Now that article is really interesting. The caption under the photo says a lot too but the biggest proof of why the seat of the presidency is not to be devolved upon any other than NBC's of the US is laid out quite well in the beliefs of his family. They know the power of family.
an compilation of links under this post at military times
Re: June 27, 2004: Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php…
BTW there is a confused poster there too who just doesn't get it that a NBC is not being birthed on the dry part of a US beach or just across the border while the head and upper torso are still in Mexico or Canada. For some people I would expect they would claim that would make them dual citizens. LOL. The logic of it all is just so easy to play with I can see why you find it so easy to make the NBC a mystery for those who have a horse in the race or that are just too simple to comprehend more than a single point in an entire book.
With the exception of the children of foreign diplomats, an NBC is, actually, simply being born in the USA. Only naturalized US citizens are not Natural Born.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning. " The Wall Street Journal.
I JUST HOPE YOU DON'T DROWN DRINKING ALL THAT KOOL AID
Your statement does not support a "therefore".
Look at the law Ellen.
TITLE 18 Part1 Chapter47 S1015
§ 1015. Naturalization, citizenship or alien registry
(f) Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or claim that he is a citizen of the United States in order to register to vote or to vote in any Federal, State, or local election (including an initiative, recall, or referendum)—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. Subsection (f) does not apply to an alien if each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization), the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16, and the alien reasonably believed at the time of making the false statement or claim that he or she was a citizen of the United States.
It is clear that what you claim is a complete fabrication based on what a defense is to the crime that has been comitted by claiming a false status.
If you are claiming that it would not be illegal for Obama's parents to smuggle Obama through immigration, that is absurd. It would be illegal, and subject to criminal prosecution–and it would be virtually impossible to do in the Kenya-Hawaii situation.
If you are alleging that it would not have been illegal in Hawaii for Obama's parents to have lied about the place of birth in an official statement, that is also absurd. If they were caught in the act of trying to do either the child smuggling or the false statement as the the place of birth, Obamas' father could have lost his student visa–at the very least.
IF Obama had been born in Kenya–which is highly unlikely–it would have been far easier and less risky to simply get all the legal papers needed for a child born in Kenya to go to the USA (US visa or having him entered on his mother's US passport0 and then not try to have his birth registered in Hawaii–but to simply have him naturalized at a later date. That would give the child all the advantages of citizenship (except the right to become president). That would be far less risky than lying about the place of birth.
ALL of the following eight points would have had to have happened for the Kenya story or the born-outside-the USA story to be true. ALL of them.
1) Obama’s mother would have had to have taken a long (no direct flights, no ships), VERY expensive and highly risky (stillbirths, Yellow Fever) trip to Kenya late in pregnancy (some variations on this for other countries);
2) She would have had to have given birth there and the Kenyan government since then seized and sealed all the files of the birth and of her arrival at Kenyan airports (and that it has been successful in hiding the story that it seized files from everyone except, oddly, WND);
3) The Obama family would have had to have carried the child home despite either not having a visa or a change to a US passport, or that it has somehow not been found. (Either they would have had to have smuggled the child through immigration, or, incredibly, no application for a visa or application for adding him to a US passport in Kenya in 1961 has been found;
4) They would have to lie about the birth in Kenya to the officials in Hawaii, which is illegal, risky (Obama’s father could lose his student visa) and completely unnecessary. Why unnecessary? Because you would get Obama all the benefits of citizenship if he were born overseas simply by having him naturalized;
5) They would have to be successful in the lie to the Hawaiian authorities, claiming that Obama was born outside of a hospital–however there is evidence that this is virtually impossible because there is evidence from a person who did the research that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of birth outside of a hospital;
6) A witness who said that she was told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it would have to be lying;
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
7) The THREE officials who have stated that the documents in Obama’s file show that he was born in Hawaii would have to be lying (as would the clerk who filled in the form on the COLB);
8) The Kenyan grandmother who said that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi… would have to be lying.
ALL that would have to happen, all eight points. The trip to Kenya would have been Enormously expensive, some estimates say $20,000 in 2011 dollars for two round trip. It is absurd to think that they even did that. So what are the odds of all eight things happening?
Uhhhhh? (union provide education at work here)
Three points?
A That we accepted the facts put forth by
Ellen/ellen/Ellana/Ellena/granite/Granite/James and could not manage our
own lives.
B. That probably no human power could have relieved us from the Obama Kool Aid.
C. That God could and would if he were sought.
Oh, I see, it's an Eight Step Program now or is it answer to the eight points?
YOU CAN REPEAT THE SAME B. S. OVER AND OVER IT STILL WON'T MAKE IT RIGHT AND IT WON'T CHANGE THE MI9NDS OF WELL OVER 60% OV THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE HE IS LEGAL AND BY THE WAY THE SCOTUS IS GOING TO TAKE UP THE ISSUE ON HIS LEGAL STATUS GET READY FOR THE BAD NEWS
It is always useful to know the facts. And the facts are that the BBC article did not say that he was born in Kenya, and Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya, and the official birth certificate of Hawaii and THREE Republican officials and the notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 all show that he was born in Hawaii.
"WELL OVER 60% OV THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE HE IS LEGAL"
Huh? As long as you're making up numbers that have no basis in reality, why not just say 90 percent?
Talking to yourself James?
To all the “Chicken Littles” or should I say “Chicken Hawks” that keep saying that the sky is falling, and the Unites States will fail, never bet against the United States of America, we are coming back and you and the rest of you phonies are wrong!
The Birthers just HATE and can’t debate, where is there proof you might asked? Up where the sun don’t shine, HA, HA, show some proof birthers or people will continue to see you as dumb, stupid or racist, maybe all three. Can you blame them?
We can't prove he has a birth certificate and that he is qualified to hold office of POTUS!
You are exactly right!
We have no proof!
We have no long form birth certificate that is provide by all states to include Hawaii to this day
because I have a Hawaiian friend who was able to get his long form from Hawaii just THREE (3)
months ago!
You are absolutely right. We have absolutely no proof that he is a citizen!
Oh, other than Ellen/Ellena/Granite's cut and past comic book stories
Hi, Montana!
You live anywhere near Great Falls/Havre area?
Ellen/James/Ellan/Ellana/Ellena/granite/ellen/Granite/Montana?
What's next Miley?
Hi Hannah!
Just the facts:
Please explain wording in Supreme court rulings. I have only found 4 that pertain to Natural Born Citizen and most have verbiage as written below. This is my problem with trying understand why no one addresses this and always goes back to the place of birth. Every time I see it discussed on TV they address place of birth and I have never found anything that tells me he is a Natural Born Citizen, And it can not be anything except a Supreme court ruling or a Amendment. That it period, the only way around the constitution is these two ways.
First, let me note that there are 4 such cases which speak of the notion of “natural born citizenship”.
The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in that year wrote the majority opinion, in which he stated:
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.
Each of these cases will cite or apply the definition of this term, as given in a book entitled, The Law of Nations,
written by Emmerich de Vattel, a Swiss-German philosopher of law. In that book, the following definition of a “natural
born citizen” appears, in Book I, Chapter 19, § 212, of the English translation of 1797 (p. 110):
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children
of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. .
OK Synopsis as I see it:
parents Plural.
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
Now tell me why he is a Natural born citizen when his father is not?.
There is absolutely no evidence that the writers of the US Constitution followed Vattel, who was not even mentioned once in the Federalist papers.
The key US Supreme Court case, Wong Kim Ark, was decided six justices to two (one not voting); and it ruled:
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
That means that EVERY child (even the children of illegal immigrants) except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of invading armies, is NATURAL BORN. And, when a person is both Natural Born and a citizens, she or he is, duh, a Natural Born Citizen.
That is why the US Congress voted to confirm Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY. And that is why the overwhelming majority of legal scholars say:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
And that is why there have been federal court rulings such as these:
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):
“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
What makes the third child different from her siblings? She was born in the USA.
Re: "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. "
And, as you know, Supreme Court cases that are later than other Supreme Court cases can overturn the earlier cases. So, when the court ruled that "some authorities" went further, in the Wong Kim Ark case, the SOLID MAJORITY of the Supreme Court went further. That is what it ruled, and it is now unquestionably the law. EVERY child born in the USA, with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats is Natural Born. And a Natural Born Citizen is simply a citizen who was natural born, as opposed to a citizen who was not natural born–a naturalized citizen.
K back read that; Why is he not a native-born citizen of the United States." and we are talking about Natural born Citizen. And if you read on the supporting recent issues in the 111th congress, this issue is not a closed issue and the Left tried to do a end around with the anchor baby issue. Interest timing and I am quite surprised they did not pass this with owning both houses at that time and lets not forget Barry was in the house.Interesting timing I must say. I guess they knew that the public union money would start to dry up and let make us some more voters Bill I called it back then. But I think all I have read on this issue is still not clear what the different between Native Born VS Natural Born and how is he legally President if his is a Natural Born Citizen. I really don't care if every member voted him qualified. Most of them don't even read the bills they vote for in Washington they do as they are told and really can only answer with talking points, because They really have no idea what they voted for. I really do not think this got the proper vetting and should of been resolved as they did John McCain's birth issue. I think I shall change my name at this site to "Still Investigating".
Re; “why a new country free from English rule would accept this:English common-law principle of jus soli,.”
Answer: Because they considered the common law a good thing (hence its 20 mentions in the Federalist Papers), and because they were not French or Swiss.
Also, if they had suddenly felt an urge to apply the French/Swiss/German/Italian/Etc. principle of jus sanguinus, they would have told us. The law that they had practiced all their lives defined citizenship based on the place of birth. If they had wanted to change that to be based on parents, or if they wanted to do something even more radical—to require BOTH birth in the country and citizen parents—they knew enough to tell us about it. And they didn’t.
Re metals: Sorry, I am not qualified to discuss it. Nor can I discuss the salaries of journalists—sorry.
You have a good day too.
Re what is the difference between native born and natural born?
Answer: Natural Born excludes the children of foreign diplomats and it also includes the children of US citizens when they give birth outside of the country. Native born includes the children of foreign diplomats, who are not eligible to be citizens much less Natural Born Citizens. ALL natural born persons who become citizens are Natural Born Citizens.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Thanks; I think that this is the end of my interest on this issue. I suspect soon this will not be of much interest to many accept the totally committed. I don't mean committed as institutionalized either, but that has some humor, doesn't it. The world seems to be in fast forward. Good luck to you. ireuel means "I Friend of God". No I do not follow any practicing religion, I think they all have it wrong. Have a nice day.
This has me wondering now. During the campaign ABC, CBS, etc. all
reported that Obama voted in favor of the war on terror in 2001, voted
against the war in Iraq in 2003, but yet he didn't even get elected to his
first and only term in Senate untill 2004????
Just say'in
They were reporting what he said on the campaign trail. He repeated this many time that he would of voted that way. Unlike his time in the Illinois Senate he would not been allow to vote present as he did many times. He stayed away from the fray while in Illinois and really just punched his I'm here card. What I am wondering is why didn't any of these news outlet ask him what he would do in some real decisions he would have to make if he was President. They just let him and the Left spew their "President Bush has done everything wrong" without a followup of "Well what would you suggest for that?". He got the golden treatment and stayed away from unfriendly turf that might pin him down on what he really would do. He was sold to us a middle of the road candidate and we got progressive far left. The problem now is he can go back to the middle for 2012 or he will lose big time. He will talk middle of the road but do the nod nod wink wink to his base. He is not special, he is just the same old lying elected official that will fool the mind numb masses that really only care about American Idol and what Snooky from Jersey shore is doing. Yep that why we got Barry.
I just remember when they started repeating what you mentioned Gary. It was the Democratic Debates and he said. "I am the only one on this stage tonight that did not vote for the War in Iraq." DUH he was not in the Senate at that time. Hillary and John I cheated on my wife, Edwards and all the rest had Vote yes for military action in Iraq. So I guess they were wrong to huh James. Yep everyone was wrong until they were not wrong and got lied to by that Evil Doer President Bush. Ya he is responsible for everything bad and nothing ever good. I vote against the war before I voted for it. Whom spoke these words? John F'in Kerry.
"So I guess they were wrong to huh James"
Yes. And I said so at the time.
Thank you for clarifying that I did not know you then.
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