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Anyone who believes Obama is an American citizen needs to answer ;Why would he spend millions to HIDE something that would hurt him.
Re: “Anyone who believes Obama is an American citizen needs to answer ;Why would he spend millions to HIDE something that would hurt him.”
Answer. He didn’t.
He did not spend a cent to hide anything. The claim that he did was made up by birthers.
There was never a lawsuit against Obama for his birth certificate (which he showed repeatedly) or for any document or record. Not one. There were only lawsuits against Obama to get his name off of ballots or to ask courts to declare him not a Natural Born Citizen (all of which lost, of course). In any case, Obama has shown his birth certificate from Hawaii, both the short-form and long-form versions, and the officials of Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and that there is a copy in their files and that the facts on the long-form birth certificate that the White House published are EXACTLY the same as the one in their files.
There is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, and it is not the only proof of his having been born in Hawaii.
There is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which were only sent by the DOH to that section of the paper, the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and the DOH only did so for births in Hawaii.) So there are those two proofs in addition to the birth certificate, and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII (birther sites simply cut off the tape before she was asked where he was born.)
Now, turning to the allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. One proof that it is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
The claims that Obama’s birth certificate are forged come from birther “analysts”—–who have not shown that they are even analysts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther analysts. And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
Birthers can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—they will not get anywhere. But they have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
IF you are thinking of bringing up the false theory that two citizen parents are required:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Step away from the crack pipe.
Notice that centermass does not discuss the facts.
ellen…….You are ignorant and a disgusting LIAR to boot!
Popeye……….It’s hard to guage anyone’s actual intelligence level here. Seems pretty clear, though, that you are the one ACTING ignorant.
Right. You have no more evidence supporting your claim that he didnt pay to hide his records than those who say he did. These are Generals making this clain. The one you just listened to was a 2 star. Do you even realize what an accomplishment it is to have a star on your uniform? Theres a 4 star admiral that says Benghazi is a coverup. OH, but they must be lying right? Of course they are. Everyone who has a negative thought of Obama is a liar and a racist. Because Obama is the messiah and cannot lie. And those military analists that said his b/c is a forgery–liars. Sherriff Arpaio—yeah, hes lying too. Everyone is out to ruin Obama. “My energy policies will cause electricity rates necessarily skyrocket” Barak Obama. Are you aware that he said that? “We should be paying the same price for gas as Europe” Steven Chu, Obamas energy secretary. And FYI thats $8 a gallon. “America is an arrogant nation” “The American flag is the flag of an oppressive nation”—Barak Obama. That just happenes to be the flag I saluted for 5 years. “Im ashamed to be American” “For the first time in my life Im proud of my country” “America is a downright mean country” “All that for a damn flag”—Michelle Obama. “US of KKK A” “US of white America” “God d— America”—Barak Obamas pastor for 20 years. And saving the best for last. Are you ready for this one? “Your problem is that you always tell the truth” Barak Obama to Jeremiah Wright. Then theres Frank Martial Davis and Bill Ayers. What does it take to get through the armoured skull of you liberals that Obama and his minions HATE America??? There are none so blind as one who will not see. You may not wanna believe it, but by the end of his second term, you wont have a choice. Good day to you all.
Re: “You have no more evidence supporting your claim that he didnt pay to hide his records than those who say he did.”
Answer: Let me repeat this slowly so you can grasp it. There was never a lawsuit for his records. Never. No lawsuit. So, he did not spend any money defending a lawsuit for his records. He did not spend any money hiding anything.
Re: “These are Generals making this claim.”
Answer: They are military experts, not experts on whether lawsuits were filed or not. And there was never a lawsuit against Obama for his records, only to keep him off of ballots. Whatever money Obama spent, and it was not very much since it does not cost very much to file the same boiler plate in multiple cases, was to stay on the ballot. There was NEVER a lawsuit for records, so Obama did not spend any money on defending such a lawsuit.
Re: “Sherriff Arpaio—yeah, hes lying too. ‘
Answer. YES. Yes, indeed:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
The rest of your rant has nothing to do with the subject of Obama’s place of birth, whether or not his birth certificate was forged or his Natural Born Citizen status. There are others like you who do not like Obama. You lost. Obama will be president for the next four years. Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Good day to you too.
Are you just typing to show everyone you know something that is not true. The name of the hospital on Obama Birth Certificate did not exist until years after he was born. Everyone else that was born in his time frame has a differemnt name of the hospital.
Hate to bust your bubble but there have been multiple lawsuits regarding Obamas forged birth certificate. They have gone up to the supreme court but the supreme court refused to hear them. However, I have read that a challenge is going before the SCOTUS in the near future regarding Obamas forged birth certificate. It will be real interesting seeing what they do with it.
The article you’re point to is almost a year old. I think national review is changing their story. The only legitimate birth certificate out there is the one that Obama’s grandmother applied for. She requested it and she signed it—Madlynn Dunham. This was done often until around 1965. If you were born outside of the US the Dept of Health in Hawaii issued birth certificates for those births. That certificate is online and not difficult to find. Had he been born in Hawaii then his mother would have signed this birth certificate. All of this will finally come out and there’s dozens of people waiting to see you crawl. You’re rabid where Obama is concerned.
Re: “The name of the hospital on Obama Birth Certificate did not exist until years after he was born. ”
Answer: It did, as the name on the birth certificate on the Nordyke Twins on WND’s site shows. They were born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and the name on their birth certificates is the same as on Obama’s, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
Re: ” I think national review is changing their story. ”
When it says that Sheriff Joe is not a nut, let us know.
Re: “The only legitimate birth certificate out there is the one that Obama’s grandmother applied for. She requested it and she signed it—Madlynn Dunham.”
Answer. Sure she did. The officials in Hawaii have stated that the birth certificate on Obama’s site matches the facts on the birth certificate in their files exactly. Exactly. The facts MATCH. And the birth certificate on Obama’s site (1) does not show Madlynn Dunham’s signature. But it does show the signature of a doctor at Kapiolani Hospital.
Re: ” If you were born outside of the US the Dept of Health in Hawaii issued birth certificates for those births. ‘
Answer: NO it did not. That was not allowed until 1982, and even after that date it does not allow a birth certificate to be issued with a lie on it. And it would be a lie for a birth certificate to say that you were born in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital if you were born in another country.
Re: “Hate to bust your bubble but there have been multiple lawsuits regarding Obamas forged birth certificate. ”
Answer. Hate to bust YOUR bubble, but there was never a lawsuit against Obama for anything other than to get him off of the ballot or declared ineligible. There was never a lawsuit that just asked for his birth certificate or just asked for records of any kind. Obama won all the lawsuits, of course. But the claim that he “hid” records is based on the false claim that he paid money to fight lawsuits for his records, and there was never a lawsuit for his records, just to get him off of the ballots. BTW Obama HAS shown his birth certificate, twice, the short form and the long form, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on them, as has the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the newspapers sent to the papers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. And Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and there is no evidence that his mother traveled late in pregnancy to a foreign country in 1961 (and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there, and his Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii.)
Ellen))))))Mad are ya? Good. Get mad. You wanted facts I gave em to ya. Everything I said can be verified. I dont know whether the muslim terrorist paid to hide his “stuff” nor did the General say such a thing. He said the document was fake. Oh but of course you being the premier statesman have more clearance than a 2 star or a 4 star. And more knowledge of forged documents than a 30 year law officer. Damn youre good Ellen. Please dont let that imagination go to waste. The ONE thing youre right about is that Obama will be president for the next 4 years—well maybe, only time will tell. And FYI I didnt lose anything. Our nation lost it all. WE lost it all. Yourself included. But you didnt make that discovery while there was yet time. However you gotta live here too or did that thought ever cross your mind? “My energy policies will cause electricity rates to necessarily skyrocket” And then theres $8 gas. So when it all goes ta hell and youre on your porch with no electricity and cant afford gas to get to town, remember you got what you voted for. And thats all that matters right?
Re: “You wanted facts I gave em to ya. ”
You have not shown a single fact. These citations are FACTS, and they show that Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the repeated confirmation of the officials in Hawaii shows.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
And here is the article about the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1308252582
Re: “4 SUPREME COURT CASES DEFINE4 ‘NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”
That is not accurate. What is accurate is that only one US Supreme Court decision has defined Natural Born Citizen, the Wong Kim Ark case (which by the way was after Minor v. Happersett), and it said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
Re: “The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.’
Answer: Yes, but they did not consider the US-born children of foreigners to be a “foreign influence.” They considered the US-born children of foreigners to be just as much US citizens as the US-born children of US citizens, and the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law and referred to the place of birth. IF they had meant to exclude the US-born children of foreigners from the presidency or that the term Natural Born Citizen referred to parents and not to its common meaning at the time, which referred to the place of birth, they would have told us.
Here, btw, is how the term Natural Born Citizen was used in 1803, shortly after the US Constitution went into effect:
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
(As you can see, that refers ONLY to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents. Natural Born Citizens were simply “those born within the state.”)
Here are the words of the Wong Kim Ark ruling, which by the way was AFTER Minor v. Happersett. The ruling was six justices to two (one justice did not vote):
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
The above clearly states that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law, and that it refers to the PLACE of birth. There is NO mention of parents whatever. And the ruling goes on to say that every child born in England, or the 13 colonies or the early states was considered a Natural Born Citizen with the exception of foreign diplomats etc. And it says that the same rule continues UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
That is why some seven state courts and one federal court have ruled that Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen, and one ruled that John McCain is—–ALL quoting the Wong Kim Ark case. So, you see, the US Supreme Court DID rule.
Here are SOME of those nine rulings:
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”
Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”.
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: “While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: “The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case.”
Good Grief
STOP ALL THE BS RETORIC SUBMIT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR REVIEW BY THE PUBLIC AT LARGE
Obama has submitted his birth certificate. In fact, he did so twice—the official short form BC and the long form BC—and the officials of Hawaii of both political parties (including the former Republican governor) have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the BCs to Obama and that there are BCs for Obama in their files, and that they say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and that the facts on the BCs that Obama has published on the Web and shown the physical copies of to the press are accurate, and that in fact the facts on Obama’s BCs are exactly the same as on the ones in the files. And this is further confirmed by the Public Index data file and the birth notices sent to t he Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and in fact only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the section of the paper called “Health Bureau Statistics,” where Obama’s birth notice appeared, and the DOH only did so for births IN Hawaii).
Ellen please sit down and shut up. You are showing the world just how stupid you really are.
What’s the matter, Viking? You upset that someone here is not joining in on your little hissy fit?
Dude … you’re insane …….. Obama is a fraud , You Know it , I know It , The world Knows it ……
Even Obama atty admitted the bc was a fraud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmN1587ZPUQ
Obama has spent millions in legal fees fighting the release of his records http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/hidden-records-one-of-great-cons-of-all-times/
If Mr Transparent has nothing to hide , why does he refuse to release his records …. Mr Transparent ? LMAO
The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide – Barack Hussein Owebama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAU28t5Ya0
Re: “Even Obama atty admitted the bc was a fraud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmN1587ZPUQ‘
Answer: Neither Obama nor his lawyer ever said that Obama’s BC was forged. A birther “reporter” said that Obama’s lawyer said it, but she didn’t, and no Obama lawyer did, and in fact Obama’s BC is not forged. Only birther “experts”—who have not shown that they are even experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial, have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s BC. Those are two reasons why the National Review, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan do not believe the birther “experts.” Nor do they believe the birther press when it said that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that the BC was forged. The lawyer never said any such thing.
Re: “Obama has spent millions in legal fees fighting the release of his records http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/hidden-records-one-of-great-cons-of-all-times/”
Answer: This story is completely made up by birthers. Obama has shown his BC, twice, and he does not have to show his college records, passport records, baptism records, Etc—-and no president or presidential candidate ever has. And, in fact, there were no law suits for those documents, and they certainly are not “sealed” (just private and protected under ordinary state and federal privacy laws)—and as said, no president has ever shown them, so Obama does not have to either. And, since there was never a lawsuit for the records, just to keep him off of the ballot, he never spend a cent defending a lawsuit for his records.
Re: “If Mr Transparent has nothing to hide , why does he refuse to release his records …. Mr Transparent ? LMAO”
Answer: Once again, why should Obama release his school or college transcripts when: (1) no president or presidential candidate ever has; (2) there was never a lawsuit for them (just to get Obama off of ballots); (3) only Obama’s enemies ask for them—-?
Re: “The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide – Barack Hussein Owebama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAU28t5Ya0”
Answer: The above does not mean that he has to disclose the things that (1) other presidents and presidential candidates did not disclose and (2) the things that only his enemies want him to disclose.
Are you being paid by obama to spew your marxist lies. What BS you spew.
Answer to “am I being paid?” The answer is no. But if I were paid, or you were paid, or we both were paid, it would still not change the facts. And the facts are that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii as his birth certificate, and the Index Data, and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii all show.
birth notice ?i had a birth notice in san diego i was born 3500 miles away.i want to know how pres, obamma got from a small college with bad grades to columbia and harvard.i would like to see his SAT Bush Gore and the NJ guy who ran for pres in 2000 showed theres,and you point of a child not being able to travel un noticed if false.this i know this first hand.ellen you are in the bag for obamma,the economy is his now not bush and it is going down worst recovery in 80 years.obamma owns it.
Re: “birth notice ?i had a birth notice in san diego i was born 3500 miles away.”
Marvelous. However, duh, Hawaii is not San Diego. There is a difference, and the difference is that the section of the newspaper in Hawaii (not San Diego) was called “Health Bureau Statistics.” That was not the name of the section in the newspaper in San Diego, was it???
Now, as the name of the section of the paper indicates, and as both the papers in Hawaii and the DOH of Hawaii have confirmed, only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers in 1961, and the DOH only did so for births IN Hawaii. So Hawaii is not like San Diego. ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 it only issued birth certificates for children who were born in Hawaii.
Moreover, the birth notices in the newspaper are only confirming evidence. Good confirming evidence, sure. But still only confirming evidence. In addition to them, there is the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s (and why should she lie?) and there is the public Index Data file that has been a public record for years, and there is the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. In addition to all these proofs of Obama being born in Hawaii, there is not a shred of evidence that Obama was born anywhere else (NO, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya, nor did Obama himself in a video, nor did his book, and in fact the Kenyan government said it investigated, and that he was not born there).
Re SAT scores. I’m sure you would like to see a lot of things, but he does not have to show them just because you want to see them (want to see his private parts too?) The fact is that your memory is screwy. NO president or presidential candidate has ever shown SAT scores. Not one of them. And no president has ever shown his school or college transcripts either (Bush’s was leaked by Yale, but Bush did not show it). And McCain and Romney and Gore and the other presidential candidates did not show their transcripts or their SAT scores.
Re: “you point of a child not being able to travel un noticed if false.”
Answer. Then please explain how any child could be born in, say, Kenya and get to the USA without his being added to his mother’s US passport or getting a US passport or getting a US visa on a foreign passport? Those are called “travel documents.” And without them we do not allow children to be carried into the USA—-and have not done so for DECADES. (Perhaps there may have been some exceptions for the Canadian border, and children have been carried across the Mexican border illegally, of course. BUT Hawaii does not have a border with either of those countries, so they don’t count.) So, please explain how a child COULD be born in Kenya (where, btw, the Kenyan government says he was NOT born) and get to the USA without such a travel document issued by a US consulate in that country. And, are you saying that all the records of application for such a travel document have been lost? (If so, they would have had to have been lost back during the Bush Administration, because if the Bush Administration had found such records, they would certainly have released them—are you saying that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?)
So, what the situation is, is that there is (1) a birth certificate and lots of confirming evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii; (2) No evidence that he was born anywhere else, and no evidence that his mother even traveled to a foreign country—which would have been a very unusual trip late in pregnancy in those days in any case.
My god you are a liar! I would not know where to start posting to debunk you. I just hope most people will see past your trolling obama butt kissing.
Notice that jimmy nunua did not discuss the facts. He only called me names. Here, in response, to his claim that I am a liar, here are citations to the facts:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
Here is a link to the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
In addition to the above raw facts, here is an article that summarizes the fallacy of believing that Obama’s mother traveled thousands of miles to a foreign country late in pregnancy when there were perfectly good hospitals within a mile or so in Hawaii.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/12/so-you-think-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
ellen you are incorrect bush gore and the guy from NJ had the sat compared to each other and gore came out on the bottom bush had better score then the NJ guy. gore had what were considered easy classes.how did obamma get from occendental to columbia and harvard.and i traveled with my mother 3500 miles from the US and to make my point i dont care about obamma birth cert.when i applied for a passport in 2000 i was told my birth wasnt regestered in the us i was born in the M.i.i was told i was a national not a citizen(like guam).i had to prove both my parents were citizens.and provide birth marrage and a death cert for my father.nothing you have said is set in stone get off your knees and let go of obammas private parts.obamma is a bigger problem than his birth cert.
RE: “ellen you are incorrect bush gore and the guy from NJ had the sat compared to each other ”
Another example of why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review all call birthers crazy. No president has ever shown his SAT score. No presidential candidate has ever shown a SAT score.
Re: How did Obama get from Occidental to Columbia and Harvard? Answer: Good grades.
Don’t believe it? Tough on you. You can dream what you want. The evidence is however that Obama graduated from Harvard Law School MAGNA CUM LAUDE, so probably he was smart enough to get reasonable grades as an undergraduate too. And, duh, he did get into Harvard Law School, so his grades must have been good enough to get into Harvard Law School. Still don’t believe it? Tough on you. YOU can suspect that the first racially mixed president of the USA was either lazy or too stupid to get good grades (or both), but who cares about what you and others like you think? The old attitudes about blacks not working hard and not being smart are changing fast.
In fact, you and others like you give the conservative movement a bad name. People read what you write and think “conservatives must think that all blacks are stupid or lazy.” It is easy to think that when you apparently think that Harvard allowed someone who was too stupid to get reasonably good grades into Harvard Law School, and lied about him getting a Magna Cum Laude.
Unlike you, Obama really does have a birth certificate from Hawaii. You may not care about it, but it is a fact, and that fact has been confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers’ “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and still further confirmed by the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. And the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
ellen you are incorrect i watched the story on the three candidates,obammas occdental grades were not very good because of llack of interest.this is fromA CLASS MATE(very few people even remember obamma at occedental) HE HAD TO PAY FOR COLUMBIA AND HARVARD using a former rebublican Gov.as proof is a non starter and you know it and i cant find where the doh sent birth anouncement to news papers.”a woman named stanly” there you have it the proof every one needs.you are useing a blind love of obammas private parts to keep posting the things you believe to be true, stockholm syndrome most likely
Re: “obammas occdental grades were not very good because of llack of interest.this is fromA CLASS MATE”
When the classmate said that Obama’s grades were not very good, he was referring to really really good grades. Obama’s were not good, but they were GOOD ENOUGH to get into Columbia, and then his grades at Columbia were good enough to get into Harvard Law School, and at Harvard Law School he graduated MAGNA CUM LAUDE. So, the bottom line is that he was smart enough in two colleges and REALLY smart in law school.
Here are the birth announcements sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers by the DOH of Hawaii (which the DOH and the papers and the name all say could only be sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and in 1961 then only sent out those notices for births IN Hawaii):
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Here is the article about the teacher in Hawaii who stated that she had been told of a birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, and that she wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about it
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Re: “using a former rebublican Gov.as proof is a non starter and you know it…”
Answer: Gee too bad that you do not believe former Republican governors. However, she was only one of THREE Republican officials and several Democrats, all of whom said Obama was born in Hawaii, and at least four of whom said that they saw Obama’s BC in the files in Hawaii and that it says exactly what Obama’s published BC says, that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. And, in addition to those four, there was the clerk who filled in the form that generated the short form birth certificate. She or he did so by reading the data in the file, and entering it on the computer form that generated the long-form birth certificate. In other words, there had to be a document in the file for the clerk to do that, so the clerk makes a FIFTH official who saw Obama BC in the file and that it said that he was born in Honolulu.
Re “had to pay?” What is your allegation? That he did not pay? That he stole his education? Or are you alleging that the Saudi Royal family paid for his education ( truly nutty idea). Are you asking HOW did he pay? (Probably academic scholarships. The claim that received a foreign student scholarship comes from an APRIL FOOL’S STORY.)
Ellen said:
” He did not spend a cent to hide anything. The claim that he did was made up by birthers”
What a stupid thing to say. Are you aware that there have been numerous eligibility lawsuits filed against obama since he began campaigning for president in 2007 because he wouldn’t provide verifiable proof of his eligibility to hold the office if he happened to win the election.?
Hillary Clinton is the person who first raised the question about it,. You do know that, don’t you Ellen?
And then as soon as Obama took office he had his records sealed so no one could get them thru FOIA.
Why would Mr. Transparent do something like that? Most likely, because he knew it was gonna take some time for someone to create a new birth certificate that wouldn’t have information on it that disqualified him from being the POTUS. Then over 2 years after he was sworn in, he finally releases a document that did nothing but expose the pos for exactly what he is, A FRAUD!!!
The only reason he was even allowed to run is because Pelosi was the person responsible for verifying the qualifications of the candidates, and I’m sure she believed that – Obama will have to be elected for us to find out exactly what’s on his documents -
But she never had any qualifying documents from his because none existed and no investigation would be conducted on him as was done on John McCain.
Politicians pull dung like that so often that they don’t realize it’s still illegal when they do it.
Revealing this information to the voters is the job of the MSM. This is the very type of information that is supposed to be reported on by them to us so we can make the proper choices at the polls to keep our country running smoothly.
But the MSM haven’t felt any loyalty toward this country for decades now, so they don’t want us to be able to vote for people who’ll keep it running like the day is was born. The MSM has been infiltrated by the same marxist/communist progs that have taken over the Democrat party and mentored the imposter at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
None of them want America to remain as the idea it was founded upon, and under the weight of those 3 things, and a pathetically weak and spineless Republican leadership, who don’t seem to grasp the calamity unfolding right in front of their eyes, we are swirling around the drain.
These college kids who supported zero have screwed themselves in ways that they can’t even fathom. And their sheer arrogance toward us today will cause myself to not feel and sorrow or any level of compassion for them when they finally realize that they are sinking into the sewer quicksand that they so enthusiastically helped obama make.
Ellen, as was suggested earlier, you should put down the crack pipe.
Re: What a stupid thing to say. Are you aware that there have been numerous eligibility lawsuits filed against obama since he began campaigning for president in 2007 because he wouldn’t provide verifiable proof of his eligibility to hold the office if he happened to win the election.?”
Answer: As I said, those are eligibility lawsuits, lawsuits to get Obama off of the ballot. They were not lawsuits for documents. No lawsuits for his birth certificate or for his college records were ever filed. Only eligibility lawsuits, all of which the birther side lost. Obama fought lawsuits that tried to get him off of ballots, and won in every case. He did not fight, because there weren’t any, any lawsuits for his documents. And, those lawsuits were filed AFTER Obama had show the short-form BC, which is the official BC of Hawaii, and it was repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.
Re: “Hillary Clinton is the person who first raised the question about it,. You do know that, don’t you Ellen?”
Answer: And, when she found out that Obama really was born in Hawaii, she stopped–like most rational people.
Re: “And then as soon as Obama took office he had his records sealed so no one could get them thru FOIA.”
Answer: It is completely loony to think that Obama’s first executive order applies to his state records, college records, passport records, etc. It doesn’t and cannot. Executive orders can apply only to the actions of the executive branch and not to state records, college records, corporate records, law firm records, etc. All of those records are protected, and have been for decades, under ordinary state and federal privacy laws. Obama’s executive order, by the way, does not even seal federal executive presidential records. It actually makes it harder, not easier, for presidents and former presidents to keep their records from being disclosed.
Re; ‘Why would Mr. Transparent do something like that? ”
Answer. He didn’t. The executive order does not apply to any records other than the federal executive branch records of presidents and former presidents, not to state records, college records, etc. And, it actually makes it harder, not easier, for presidents and former presidents to keep their presidential records from being disclosed.
Re: “The only reason he was even allowed to run is because Pelosi was the person responsible for verifying the qualifications of the candidates, and I’m sure she believed that – Obama will have to be elected for us to find out exactly what’s on his documents -’
Answer: Since in fact Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices all show, Pelosi did nothing wrong.
Re: “But she never had any qualifying documents from his because none existed and no investigation would be conducted on him as was done on John McCain.”
Answer: There was no investigation of John McCain’s place of birth. The Senate merely accepted his word, without seeking documents that confirmed, that he was born in the family naval hospital on the US Naval Base in the Panama Canal Zone. And no investigation was done of Mitt Romney’s place of birth either, or of Bush’s or of Clinton’s or of any president’s.
His being born in Kenya is the FACT.
Re: “His being born in Kenya is the FACT.”
Answer: The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, heck, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
One does not have to know anything about Adobe Acrobat or layering to see Fraud in Obama’s Birth Certificate.
High Tech forgers have huge egos and they cannot refrain from showing their superiority over the average man.
Have you got a Brain? Can you think? Can you See? Can you draw conclusions from Evidence? Are you hypnotized by the Conversational Hypnotist and Commie in Chief, Barack Obama?
If you answer yes to the first 4 and no to the last one, then you can know the White House released Birth Certificate for Barack Obama is a Forgery. Once the Magnitude of that Audacity sinks in, you become “Unhypnotize” and know that he is EVIL Incarnate. And his Evil Machine is rapidly taking over our country.
First look at Data Entry block # 18a. Think, what is different about this block when compared to all the other blocks on the form, excluding what is written in them? Think, See, Note, What 1961 typewriter has a “Check” on it. Duh! None! What other block on the form has a check in it? Duh? What is used to mark all the other “Check” Blocks on the Form? Duh, X’s or XX’s.
Now look at the signature of the State Registrar. Everyone knows that Forrest Gump did not invent the “Smiley Face” until after he got out of the Army in the late 1960′s… Duh, what year was Barack Born. That should be easy because it is entered on the form. Duh!
The Stamp that is the Authentication above Alvin T. Oanaka’s name has had the “THE” Changed to “TXE”, Duh!
The name of the local Registrar is Lee. But can you believe it is U K Le Lee, duh, you know like Ukulele the musical instrument.
Do you know what the shadow “9″s are in # 9 and 12b, they mean the block has no data in it. This was told to Mike Zullo by Mrs. Lee herself. She still live in Hawaii and is 96 years old. She gave Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo all of the meanings of all of the shadow codes. The codes were used to select data for government data bases.
Now you know Obama is a Forger, Liar, and guilty of a Felony. And all of his Identity documents are frauds and forgeries. But Glib lazy stupid cool Aid Drinking liberals are too lazy and too hypnotized and actually do not want anyone to break them out of their “Matrix” Coffin.
Oh, and this BC uses Kearning which did not exist in 1961. The spaces between letters in old typewriters had the same space regardless of which letter followed which. Kearning adjusts the space between letters for each letter following the first. This is for appearance and space compression. For instance a y following a T will overlap. No typewriter of the 1960s era would do that. For example, in Data Block 6a, the “ty” in maternity overlap and the “Gy” in Gynecological overlap. That alone proves that this BC has been altered and is a Forgery. There are many more “Tells” of forgery. But, Stupid lazy Liberals will not even go to the slideshare of the White House website. They do not want their “Balloon” of stupidity “Popped” because it will hurt so much and their Messiah will fall to the depths of Helllll.
What follows shows BArack’s literary bios that he Himself wrote for Acton & Distel in 1991, before he knew that to be President you cannot be born in a foreign country, what an Idiot Constitutional Lawyer he was. And one link is to a photocopy and certified copy of his Kenyan BC and witness statements of how Mommy went into labor at the beach in Mombasa. The best document though is the Hawaiian Registration of his Kenyan birth made by Granny Madlyn Payn Dunham which may be veiwed at the Aloh Sun Newspaper site. And the last is a video on the Kearning used in Obama’s Forged white house Birth Certificate released on the Whitehouse Website and how it uses Kearning which did ot exist in 1961 whitch is ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS A FORGERY.
Have Fun Reading the Truth that you will never get from the Main Stream PROPAGANDA MINISTRY that Obama owns and controls.
Barack Hussein Obama II wrote in HIS Literary Bios in 1991 at Acton & Dystel, “Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii” Kenya, HE wrote in 1991 HIS Literary Bios at Acton & Dystel.
To see Obama’s Literary Bios, see the following weblink:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
The following web link contains BHOs Kenyan BC both as a photo copy and a certified copy and has witness videos and statements about how Ann Dunham went into labor at a beach party. She had been refused a return flight to the USA because she was nine months pregnant.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
To see the REAL Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Birth in Kenya visit weblink:
http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/18/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/
To see proof the White House released BC is a fraud and to see his real Hawaiian Birth Registration, see the video of how his WH BC uses Kerning, which did not exist in 1961. The Video’s first 3 minutes shows Kerning used on the WH BC which Absolutely Proves it is a Forgery/Fraud. The next 9 minutes shows his Hawaiian birth Registration of foreign birth, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Honolulu”. The Birth Registration was reported and registered and signed by his Grandmother Madlyn Payne Dunham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hqNBBgwNTMc&feature=endscreen
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. (see above). The claims that Obama’s birth certificate is forged come only from birther “experts”—who have not shown that they even are experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review.
Re Sheriff Joe: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/
Layering, by the way, is normal in PDF. That is how it works, and it is not “Kerning.” It is the normal skipping of manual typewriters.
One does not have to know anything about Adobe Acrobat or layering to see Fraud in Obama’s Birth Certificate.
High Tech forgers have huge egos and they cannot refrain from showing their superiority over the average man.
Have you got a Brain? Can you think? Can you See? Can you draw conclusions from Evidence? Are you hypnotized by the Conversational Hypnotist and Commie in Chief, Barack Obama?
If you answer yes to the first 4 and no to the last one, then you can know the White House released Birth Certificate for Barack Obama is a Forgery. Once the Magnitude of that Audacity sinks in, you become “Unhypnotize” and know that he is EVIL Incarnate. And his Evil Machine is rapidly taking over our country.
First look at Data Entry block # 18a. Think, what is different about this block when compared to all the other blocks on the form, excluding what is written in them? Think, See, Note, What 1961 typewriter has a “Check” on it. Duh! None! What other block on the form has a check in it? Duh? What is used to mark all the other “Check” Blocks on the Form? Duh, X’s or XX’s.
Now look at the signature of the State Registrar. Everyone knows that Forrest Gump did not invent the “Smiley Face” until after he got out of the Army in the late 1960′s… Duh, what year was Barack Born. That should be easy because it is entered on the form. Duh!
The Stamp that is the Authentication above Alvin T. Oanaka’s name has had the “THE” Changed to “TXE”, Duh!
The name of the local Registrar is Lee. But can you believe it is U K Le Lee, duh, you know like Ukulele the musical instrument.
Do you know what the shadow “9″s are in # 9 and 12b, they mean the block has no data in it. This was told to Mike Zullo by Mrs. Lee herself. She still live in Hawaii and is 96 years old. She gave Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo all of the meanings of all of the shadow codes. The codes were used to select data for government data bases.
Now you know Obama is a Forger, Liar, and guilty of a Felony. And all of his Identity documents are frauds and forgeries. But Glib lazy stupid cool Aid Drinking liberals are too lazy and too hypnotized and actually do not want anyone to break them out of their “Matrix” Coffin.
Oh, and this BC uses Kearning which did not exist in 1961. The spaces between letters in old typewriters had the same space regardless of which letter followed which. Kearning adjusts the space between letters for each letter following the first. This is for appearance and space compression. For instance a y following a T will overlap. No typewriter of the 1960s era would do that. For example, in Data Block 6a, the “ty” in maternity overlap and the “Gy” in Gynecological overlap. That alone proves that this BC has been altered and is a Forgery. There are many more “Tells” of forgery. But, Stupid lazy Liberals will not even go to the slideshare of the White House website. They do not want their “Balloon” of stupidity “Popped” because it will hurt so much and their Messiah will fall to the depths of Helllll.
What follows shows BArack’s literary bios that he Himself wrote for Acton & Distel in 1991, before he knew that to be President you cannot be born in a foreign country, what an Idiot Constitutional Lawyer he was. And one link is to a photocopy and certified copy of his Kenyan BC and witness statements of how Mommy went into labor at the beach in Mombasa. The best document though is the Hawaiian Registration of his Kenyan birth made by Granny Madlyn Payn Dunham which may be veiwed at the Aloh Sun Newspaper site. And the last is a video on the Kearning used in Obama’s Forged white house Birth Certificate released on the Whitehouse Website and how it uses Kearning which did ot exist in 1961 whitch is ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS A FORGERY.
Have Fun Reading the Truth that you will never get from the Main Stream PROPAGANDA MINISTRY that Obama owns and controls.
Barack Hussein Obama II wrote in HIS Literary Bios in 1991 at Acton & Dystel, “Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii” Kenya, HE wrote in 1991 HIS Literary Bios at Acton & Dystel.
To see Obama’s Literary Bios, see the following weblink:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
The following web link contains BHOs Kenyan BC both as a photo copy and a certified copy and has witness videos and statements about how Ann Dunham went into labor at a beach party. She had been refused a return flight to the USA because she was nine months pregnant.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
To see the REAL Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Birth in Kenya visit weblink:
http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/18/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/
To see proof the White House released BC is a fraud and to see his real Hawaiian Birth Registration, see the video of how his WH BC uses Kerning, which did not exist in 1961. The Video’s first 3 minutes shows Kerning used on the WH BC which Absolutely Proves it is a Forgery/Fraud. The next 9 minutes shows his Hawaiian birth Registration of foreign birth, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Honolulu”. The Birth Registration was reported and registered and signed by his Grandmother Madlyn Payne Dunham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hqNBBgwNTMc&feature=endscreen
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, heck, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
Re the alleged forgery. And “Kerning” (It was the normal skipping of manual typewriters) and layers (layers are normal in pdf; that’s how it works). Birther claims of forgery come only from birther “experts”—who have not show that they even are experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial.
Birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
Re the penciled numbers that Sheriff Joe refers to:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-the-sheriff-joe-and-the-cold-case-posse/
Layering, by the way, is normal in PDF. That is how it works, and it is not “Kerning.” It is the normal skipping of manual typewriters.
Twilight Zone again….tooo much ovomit bath water on top of that! God where do these people come from??? PLEASE let us know.
Notice that JoAnn523 does not discuss the facts.
Why do you scramble to service Barry’s chamber pot?
I simply post the facts. Why do you believe the birther crap?
notice ellen is a total lunatic better check her for assualt weapons considering so far every lunatic who has committed mass murders all have obamaitus (lack of usable brain)
so she deffinetly qaulifies in this category
I agree with her, JoAnn. It is okay that you don’t like Obama. I’m not a fan either, but there are plenty of real policy issues on which to focus our frustrations. We don’t need to give credence to unsubstantiated stories, and this whole birth certificate issue is little more than a collection of rumors.
Well said.
Check out the sites with your head in the sand.
What about all the evidence and proof of Sheriff Joe and his posse? I don’t believe Obama is a citizen of this nation. He hasn’t prove it, yet.
Re Sheriff Joe:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Obama’s proof is overwhelming. He has shown both the short form and long form birth certificates of Hawaii, and the officials of Hawaii of both political parties (including the former Republican governor) have repeatedly confirmed the facts on the birth certificates, and that they sent them to Obama, and that there is a birth certificate for Obama in their files and that it says on it that Obama was born in Honolulu. And the facts are further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
If you really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama entered the USA in 1961 or received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
Getting back to Sheriff Joe. His allegation that Obama’s birth certificate is forged is contradicted by about six real experts. And the birther “experts” have not shown that they are even experts, and they certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review (and Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and John McCain, for that matter, and Gingrich and Santorum too) ALL do not believe the birther “experts.”
And the country of Indonesia REQUIRES citizenship to attend the muslim facility that Obama attended.
Re: “And the country of Indonesia REQUIRES citizenship to attend the muslim facility that Obama attended.”
Answer: Obama attended first a Catholic school and then a public school, and there was no regulation in Indonesia requiring Indonesian citizenship to attend any school—–as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm (ask for the press officer). While you are at it, you might as well ask whether Obama was an Indonesian citizen. The answer is, he wasn’t.
Right call the Indonesian embassy and start asking questions about the president. No doubt theyll be happy to share this info with you. He was also roomed with a foreign exchange student from Indonesia while at Occidental. Thats not common practice to room American citizens with foreign exchange students. Barak Obama or Barry Soetoro or whatever his real name is, is a liar. Plain, simple. He admitted it. “Your problem is that you always tell the truth” Barak Obama to Jeremiah Wright. Do you understand those words? Telling the truth is a problem? Apparently your hero has a problem with it. The evidence is overwhelming that he hates America and everything about America. But then maybe you do too?
Re: “Right call the Indonesian embassy and start asking questions about the president. No doubt theyll be happy to share this info with you.”"
Answer: RATIONAL people will believe the Indonesian Embassy is more likely to tell the truth than birther sites. Birther sites have lied numerous time in the past. For example, they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she said that he was born in Hawaii on the same tape. They said that Obama could only have traveled to Pakistan on a foreign passport in 1981 because either Pakistan did not allow US citizens in or the USA banned us from going to Pakistan, and neither of those was true. So, whether or not YOU do not believe the Indonesian government over birthers, rational people will do so, and the Indonesian government says (1) that you did not have to be an Indonesian citizen to attend Indonesian school (that was made up by birthers) and (2) Obama was never an Indonesian citizen (that was made up too0.
Re Obama roomed with a foreign exchange student at Occidental and that that was not normal. What gave you the idea that it was not normal? It was and is perfectly normal.
Obama’s name by the way is still and always was Obama since he never legally changed it. Yes, he did use his stepfathers’ name while he was in Indonesia, for convenience, but I used an Asian name while I lived in Asia too, also for convenience, and I did not have to change my name legally, and he didn’t either, and he did not change his name legally, so it is still Obama.
Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, as has been shown by vast amounts of evidence going well beyond his own words (which by the way have always been that he was born in Hawaii too, the video that claims that he said that he was born in Kenya is forged). And that evidence includes his Hawaii BC, the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor), the Index Data file, the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii) and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
then how did obama go to college as a foreign exchange student? you can’t have it both ways. either he was a liar then ,or a liar now…or both.
Here are some sites to check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Re: “then how did obama go to college as a foreign exchange student?”
Answer: He didn’t. That claim comes from an April Fool’s story. It is not true.
There you go again, servicing Barry’s chamber pot.
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346
Ellen,
I trust that you would support this case going to the Supreme Court for adjudication on the full facts of the matter? Which facts would include:
1) the fact that the Framers of the Constitution – who were fully conversant with de Vattell’s ‘Law of Nations’, particularly through the influence of Benjamin Franklin – set the qualification bar particularly high for the office of the presidency, AND THAT OFFICE ONLY, in order that any candidate for that office would not have dual loyalties or allegiances, which would be the case if the candidate’s father was not also a U.S.citizen. This requirement was embedded in the Constitution on the advice of John Jay – who was to become the first Chief Justice of the fledgling constitutional republic – in a letter to G. Washington, in his role as president of the Constitutional Convention, with Jay noting in warning that the president wold also be the Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the new nation, and should not have such conflicting allegiances. Thus, NO DUAL CITIZENS for that particular office;
2) the fact that the Framers were not using English common law; which talks, in such matters, about ‘subjects’. They were no longer subjects of the British crown, or any crown; they were sovereign citizens in their own right, and went by American common law or Natural Law. (This fact was confirmed in a letter by George Mason to that effect. I don’t have a reference for it handy. It could come out in a case before the Supreme Court on this issue);
3) the fact that the XIVth Amendment talked/talks ONLY about ‘citizens’ , and its authors even specifically saying that it was NOT about ‘natural born’ citizens, thus separating/distinguishing the two categories;
4) the fact that Chester A. Arthur had to hide the fact that he was not a ‘natural born’ citizen, had dual citizenship. (The facts came out after he had died.)
I won’t belabor the point. The point is,that there is wealth of evidence to demonstrate that your take on the matter – and the take of too many lower courts – is not the correct take on it. So the sooner this matter – this terribly important constitutional matter – makes its way to the Supreme Court, the better.
For a good, comprehensive overview on the whole matter, see lawyer Mario Apuzzo’s research, at puzo1.blogspot.com.
For a good comprehensive review of the matter, see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
Apuzzo is simply a birther lawyer. He even seems to believe the nutty idea that Obama was not born in Hawaii. His notions of what the Constitution says are altered by his passions,and he is in the overwhelming minority. His theories are laughed at by Constitutional scholars and by the press. For example, the Economist said:
“The opposing case rests on a willfully idiosyncratic reading of an 1875 Supreme Court case called Minor v Happersett. In that ruling, the Court wrote, “…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinct from aliens of foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve those doubts.” In other words, Minor did not settle the question of who was and was not a natural-born citizen, as the plaintiffs claim it did, it deliberately left the question open (as does the constitution, which does not define the term). The Supreme Court has held and lower courts affirmed that natural-born citizen refers to anyone born in the United States.”—http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
The Wall Street Journal said: “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
And such a conservative legal expert as Edwin Meese (Ronald Reagan’s attorney general) and Edwin Ho (who had been a law clerk to Justice Thomas), who respectively edited and wrote the section in the Heritage Foundation book on the US Constitution said indeed that the meaning came from the common law (not from Vattel, who is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers, while the common law is mentioned about twenty times):
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Re Ben Frqanklin and other writers of the Constitution having read Vattel. Yes, of course they did, but they read a lot of other things too. In particular, they read Blackstone, who was far more popular at the time than Vattel, and he defined Natural Born status as referring to the place of birth. If the writers of the Constitution had meant Natural Born Citizen to refer to parents and not to the place of birth, as the common law specified and as Blackstone said tha the common law specified, they would have told us.
As for me supporting the idea that the US Supreme Court take the case and decide it all over again, in spite of the fact that its words in the Wong Kim Ark ruling are absolutely clear, no problem with me. The court can do what it wants. It can decide to take the case or not. If it did take the case, I would be 100% sure that it would say EXACTLY what they said in the Wong Kim Ark case all over again. But if they do not take the case, then what rule applies? The answer is the Wong Kim Ark case ruling still stands, and as the NINE courts have ruled on Obama (and one on McCain), that ruling said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats (and that includes Jindal and Rubio as well as Obama) is a Natural Born US Citizen.
As one of the poster said: There are none so blind as one who will not see.
If you have the courage watch Dreams of My Real Father, it answers many questions. It matters not where he was born, but who his daddy was, (a card-carrying commie and pervert, Frank Marshall Davis—check the 3 photos).
Barry was born in Washington State, lived off and on in Hawaii, was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, making him a dual citizen, (therefore is ineligible to run for POTUS), and is operating under an assumed name and has had several dozen SS#s…he was selected (as recent presidents have), many years ago and groomed to be the fraud in chief. Everyone in the media and ‘gov’t’ knows this but offers were made that they could not refuse.
How much do you get paid to cut and paste these lies? If you think you’re safe from the ‘Obama’ machine because you believe the myth of BHO, think again. Everyone is expendable in the ‘Obama’ Nation, just ask Hilly/Billy.
They are probably being paid to post. Know this now that the Obama team has paid people to post all over the internet on his behalf, be it mediamatters, moveon.org or any other left leaning organization. Don’t argue with them. If they are willing to sell their souls for thirty pieces of silver we can’t help them.
I’m not being paid a cent. And if I were, or you were, or we both were, it still would not change the facts. I have posted the facts, only the facts. The facts show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices all show. And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined in the Wong Kim Ark case, and confirmed by NINE state and federal courts so far, to refer to the place of birth and not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it hit you in the face.
BOTH PARTIES and the media are COMPLICIT in this massive cover-up..
He would have been a NBC if he wasn’t adopted by Soetoro-FACT, but because his daddy was an (anti-)American ‘citizen’ and known communist HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SELECTED to be the ‘man’ to bring America down.
If you’re not getting paid for posting all this crap, you are more stupid than I thought.
Obama was never adopted and never became a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm (are they part of the plot too?) The citizenship of Obama’s father has nothing to do with Obama’s Natural Born Citizen status. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of one or even two parents.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal.
“The opposing case rests on a willfully idiosyncratic reading of an 1875 Supreme Court case called Minor v Happersett. In that ruling, the Court wrote, “…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinct from aliens of foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve those doubts.” In other words, Minor did not settle the question of who was and was not a natural-born citizen, as the plaintiffs claim it did, it deliberately left the question open (as does the constitution, which does not define the term). The Supreme Court has held and lower courts affirmed that natural-born citizen refers to anyone born in the United States.”—the Economist Magazine.
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”
Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. ”
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: “While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: “The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case.”
And by the way, not a single court has ruled for the two-parent theory, and not a single member of the US Electoral College changed her or his vote from Obama to McCain in the 2008 election or from Obama to Romney in the 2012 election out of the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the birther legal theory that two US citizens are required to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Despite their 501(c)3 status, this site is funded by elite republican supporters, and is not a valid news organization.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/12/21/playing-both-sides-of-the-birther-charade/185589
And, mediamatters is?
mediamatters is a far-left, liberal, lying media propaganda machine owned by George Soras — obama’s major puppetmaster.
How many times for those that know me have I referred to Obama as being the Manchurian Candidate? Every high official, be it State or Government, should be subjected to a thorough background check, and a security clearance, and a Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate, should be subjected to the highest level of security clearance since once in office,m they automatically receive the highest level of clearance in the country.
He had Elenea Kagan represent him before the supreme court and now she is a justice. You tell me.
Re: “Every high official, be it State or Government, should be subjected to a thorough background check, and a security clearance, and a Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate, should be subjected to the highest level of security clearance…”
Answer. So, why not suggest that to your congressman and US Senators? Currently it is not the law.
However. Obama has shown overwhelming evidence that he was indeed born in Hawaii, and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen really does come from the common law and refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
Barry has no idea where he was born, just ask President Biden.
As expected, ellen and the trolls are on the prowl. Total and complete BS and deflection. Typical.
Notice that the above does not discuss the facts. It merely calls names and claims that the facts that I have shown are “BS.”
Yes, BS (Barry Soetoro).
avatar, why are you spewing so many lies and yet unwilling to use your real identity. 1. obamao’s BC does not show his father, not a US citizen but a british national, makes him ineligible for running for president.2. if he was a US citizen then how did he travel to pakistan when US citizens were not allowed to, in his own words? he was a Indonesian citizen as proof he went to school there, they do not allow non citizens in their public schools? 3 If he is not hiding his personal info by spending millions to hide it such as college transcripts then were are they? 4 Why does he have a Conneticut SSN when he never ever lived there? He MAY have been born in Hawaii, that alone does not make him eligible. You can spew all the lies you want about what your glorious leader has lied about, repeating the lies do not make them true.
YOU ARE WRONG;
and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen really does come from the common law and refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
“natural born citizen” means “born in the country, to parents both of whom are citizens of that country”
Thank you Silver. I just posted a reply referencing the fact that you cant attend school in Indonesia without being a citizen of Indonesia. Of course we’ll be called liars now.
Re: “Of course we’ll be called liars now.”
Not liars, well, at least probably not.. You are simply misinformed. You have been informed only by a birther site, which DID lie.
There was no such regulation in Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm (ask for the press officer). Oh, and while you are at it why not ask directly whether Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen? The answer was that he was never an Indonesian citizen.
Aren’t you irritated to be deliberately mislead by birther sites?
Did you enjoy your last Barry chamber pot servicing?
Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents.
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
Notice how the term was used in 1803, shortly after the US Constitution went into effect:
“”Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. .”..St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
(As you can see, that refers only to the place of birth. Natural Born Citizens were simply those who were “born within the state.”)
And here is how it was used about twenty-five years later:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Re: “if he was a US citizen then how did he travel to pakistan when US citizens were not allowed to,’
Answer. Because, duh, he was allowed to. The story that Pakistan keep US citizens out or that the USA had barriers on US citizens visiting Pakistan were made up by birthers. Neither is true. In fact, in 1981,. when Obama went to Pakistan, US newspapers were running travel articles recommending visiting Pakistan.
Re: ” If he is not hiding his personal info by spending millions to hide it such as college transcripts then were are they?”
Answer: Duh, he has not spent a single cent hiding anything. There was never a lawsuit for his college transcripts, not one. And, he does not have to show them. There is no law requiring it, and Mitt Romney did not show his either, nor did McCain or Bush or Clinton, or any president or presidential candidate.
Re: ” he was a Indonesian citizen as proof he went to school there, they do not allow non citizens in their public schools?”
Answer: Who told you that? It is wrong. The way to find out whether or not it is true or not is to call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ASK (ask for the press officer). They will tell you that there was no such regulation, and they will also tell you that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
Re: ” Why does he have a Conneticut SSN when he never ever lived there? ”
Answer: The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Re: “He MAY have been born in Hawaii, that alone does not make him eligible.”
Answer. He was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 and the absence of a shred of proof that his mother traveled to a foreign country late in pregnancy in 1961 all show. And that alone–that alone–makes him eligible because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen really does come from the common law, and really does refer to the place of birth:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
And he has NEVER proved that he is a natural-born citizen or a legal citizen of this country. His records are sealed. No one has access to them. That’s suspect. What has get got to hide?
Re: “Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent,…’
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
Re: “And he has NEVER proved that he is a natural-born citizen or a legal citizen of this country. ”
Obama has proved with his birth certificate, in fact both the short form and long form birth certificate, that he was born in the USA and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen has been defined in the Wong Kim Ark case to refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents. Obama’s birth certificate was repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and by the Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Re: “His records are sealed. ”
Answer: No they are not. Neither Obama by executive order nor any court has “sealed” any of his records. He has shown his birth certificate, and his college records and graduate school records are private, and he does not have to show them—nor has any other president or presidential candidate.
Stop feeding the troll.
Ellen is right, everybody. Get over it.
Oh, now I believe her because you proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Bwahahahaha!
Would you like to see the citations that show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii all over again? Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by (1) his birth certificate, short form and long form, which he showed both the images of and the actual physical copies to the press; (2) the confirmation that Obama’s birth certificate exists and that it was sent to Obama and that it says that he was born in Hawaii by the officials of BOTH parties including the former Republican governor; (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to that section of the papers, the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only did for births IN Hawaii; (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. There are multiple links to citations of these facts; would you like to see them again?
And you, Formerlefty, have proven that you are not interested in factual information. You want to believe so badly that Obama is the antichrist, that you brush off anything suggesting otherwise. He’s a Democrat, and will be out of office in 4 years. Until then, try wearing your big-boy pants.
There were numerous law suits by orly Taiz and Sheriff arpaigo, and I think these had nothing with taking his name off the ballot. It’s obvious to ANYONE, who has a normal intelligent quotient that obama is not qualifed to be president , was not born in the United States, is not legitimate and is a fraud. The only people who do not believe this are the low informers, and those who are working directly for the Obama Admimistration , which evidently is not working and never has.
They all had to do with taking his name off of ballots. Obama was in fact born in the USA and is in fact legitimate. Re: “The only people who do not believe this are the low informers, and those who are working directly for the Obama Admimistration.” Answer: Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review do not believe it, nor does Mitt Romney, John McCain or Paul Ryan (or Gingrich or Santorum).
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
President Obama is a Marxist Muslim born in Mombassa, Kenya. It is now confirmed 100%.
1) Both birth certificates were forged by clever computer imaging – the short form one and the long form one. The long form one was issued after the short-form one was shown to be a forgery and shows the hospital’s new name from 1971 – ten years after his birth.
2) His Selective Service card is a forgery with a forged date; all SS cards show US Postal Service date with 4 numbers for the year; his card shows only two numbers – 80 – obtained by cutting out the date 2008 and reversing 08 into 80.
3) Immigration records for the week of his birth are missing – destroyed; all such records are complete for at least 70 years – except for the first 10 days from August 1 to 10, 1961, when he was born, and when his grandmother and mother returned to Honolulu from Kenya with the baby.
4) His Social Security card belongs to a long-dead Connecticut man by the name of Jean Paul Ludwig who died in Hawaii; Obama never lived in Connecticut. His grandmother worked for the Honolulu Social Services where she stole Mr. Ludwig’s Social Security card.
5) His grandmother had said to the newsmen that she had accompanied her daughter, Obama’s mother, on a trip to Mombassa, Kenya, to give birth there. Within a week after that the grandmother suddenly died; the official explanation was that the grandmother was losing her mind due to old age.
6) His records from the Occidental College in Los Angeles show that he had received scholarship as a foreign student from Indonesia. The same “Foreign Student” is read on his student card from the Columbia University.
7) He was sent to Pakistan in 1981 by his Muslim stepfather to study 3 months in a Muslim madrassa there, traveling with his Indonesian passport.
8) All his schooling records are sealed: Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia thesis paper, Harvard College records; also his Selective Service registration (now shown to be a fake); medical records; Illinois State Senate schedule and records; his law practice client list; baptism record; his passports. ALL SEALED.
9) Another nail in the “Hawaii-born” Obama, was found in the first edition of his autobiographical book “Dreams from my father”, where he proudly stated that he was born in Kenya. That sentence was purged from the following editions of the book. His father was a tribal communist, ending his life as an alcoholic in abject poverty after he had failed in his political aspirations. There is no doubt any longer. Except that we all wonder – a President of the United States should have been able to secure services of more professional forgers.
10) And I would appreciate if our commies, sozis, eco-nazis, and other Democrats would not answer the above 9 points by their invective and nasty name-calling – but by point-by-point documented answers.
It has now been confirmed that you are the Easter Bunny.
1) You have large ears.
2) You often hop from one place to another.
3) It has been said that your nickname is “thumper”.
4) An undisclosed source witnessed you hiding chocolate.
5) You are always curiously busy in the spring months.
There you have it. You are, without a doubt, the Easter Bunny. Sorry you had to find out like this.
Note from Hawaii:
When i started to attend school in Hawaii a copy of my birth certificate was registered in the school record. I later used this school registered copy to obtain a passport. the copy being retaining by the school.
Facts mean little to those who refuse to accept them.
However we have the right to question and a duty to support out constitution which obama has show little regard for.
Re: “i started to attend school in Hawaii a copy of my birth certificate was registered in the school record.”
What does this have to do with the fact that Obama has in fact shown his birth certificate, twice. The short form and the long form, and the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show that Obama was born in Hawaii. Those are the facts.
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
I have had to be finger printed show birth certificate social security card drivers license two forms of proof of residence just to get a hazardous materiaks certification on my drivers licenses in New Mexico.So how in the hell do i have to show so much proof just for that when this traitor can run the Greatest Countryt on earth and not show a damm thing! This explains it all.
A Country Run By Idiots
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if….
An 80 year old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a Muslim woman in
a burka is only subject to having her neck and head searched.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. You can get arrested for
expired tags on your car but not for being in the country illegally.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if… Your government believes
that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend
trillions more of our money.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. A seven year old boy can
be thrown out of school for calling his teacher “cute” but hosting a sexual
exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if….. The Supreme Court of the
United States can rule that lower courts cannot display the 10 Commandments in
their courtroom, while sitting in front of a display of the 10 Commandments.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Children are forcibly
removed from parents who appropriately discipline them while children of
“underprivileged” drug addicts are left to rot in filth infested cesspools.
You know you live in Country run by idiots if…. Working class Americans pay
for their own health care (and the health care of everyone else) while
unmarried women are free to have child after child on the “State’s” dime while
never being held responsible for their own choices.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Hard work and success are
rewarded with higher taxes and government intrusion, while slothful, lazy
behavior is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid and subsidized
housing, and free cell phones.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. The government’s plan for
getting people back to work is to provide 99 weeks of unemployment checks (to
not work).
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Being self-sufficient is
considered a threat to the government.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Politicians think that
stripping away the amendments to the constitution is really protecting the
rights of the people.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. The rights of the
Government come before the rights of the individual.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Parents believe the State
is responsible for providing for their children.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. You can write a post like
this just by reading the news headlines.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. You pay your mortgage
faithfully, denying yourself the newest big screen TV while your neighbor
defaults on his mortgage (while buying iphones, TV’s and new cars) and the
government forgives his debt and reduces his mortgage (with your tax dollars).
Your government can add anything they want to your kid’s water (fluoride,
chlorine, etc.) but you are not allowed to give them raw milk.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Being stripped of the
ability to defend yourself makes you “safe”.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. You have to have your
parents signature to go on a school field trip but not to get an abortion.
You know you live in a Country run by idiots if…. Using the “N” word is
considered “hate speech” but writing and singing songs about raping women and
killing cops is considered “art”.
SURELY WE SHALL REAP WHAT WE HAVE SOWN…!!!
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Obama has shown his short form birth certificate and his long form birth certificate, and the facts on both of them were repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii. And they are further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only sent notices out for births IN Hawaii.)
President Obama is a Marxist Muslim born in Mombassa, Kenya. It is now confirmed 100%.
1) Both birth certificates were forged by clever computer imaging – the short form one and the long form one. The long form one was issued after the short-form one was shown to be a forgery and shows the hospital’s new name from 1971 – ten years after his birth.
2) His Selective Service card is a forgery with a forged date; all SS cards show US Postal Service date with 4 numbers for the year; his card shows only two numbers – 80 – obtained by cutting out the date 2008 and reversing 08 into 80.
3) Immigration records for the week of his birth are missing – destroyed; all such records are complete for at least 70 years – except for the first 10 days from August 1 to 10, 1961, when he was born, and when his grandmother and mother returned to Honolulu from Kenya with the baby.
4) His Social Security card belongs to a long-dead Connecticut man by the name of Jean Paul Ludwig who died in Hawaii; Obama never lived in Connecticut. His grandmother worked for the Honolulu Social Services where she stole Mr. Ludwig’s Social Security card.
5) His grandmother had said to the newsmen that she had accompanied her daughter, Obama’s mother, on a trip to Mombassa, Kenya, to give birth there. Within a week after that the grandmother suddenly died; the official explanation was that the grandmother was losing her mind due to old age.
6) His records from the Occidental College in Los Angeles show that he had received scholarship as a foreign student from Indonesia. The same “Foreign Student” is read on his student card from the Columbia University.
7) He was sent to Pakistan in 1981 by his Muslim stepfather to study 3 months in a Muslim madrassa there, traveling with his Indonesian passport.
8) All his schooling records are sealed: Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia thesis paper, Harvard College records; also his Selective Service registration (now shown to be a fake); medical records; Illinois State Senate schedule and records; his law practice client list; baptism record; his passports. ALL SEALED.
9) Another nail in the “Hawaii-born” Obama, was found in the first edition of his autobiographical book “Dreams from my father”, where he proudly stated that he was born in Kenya. That sentence was purged from the following editions of the book. His father was a tribal communist, ending his life as an alcoholic in abject poverty after he had failed in his political aspirations. There is no doubt any longer. Except that we all wonder – a President of the United States should have been able to secure services of more professional forgers.
10) And I would appreciate if our commies, sozis, eco-nazis, and other Democrats would not answer the above 9 points by their invective and nasty name-calling – but by point-by-point documented answers.
singcanary,
I find your points intriguing. Could you provide us with your sources for each?
Personally, I’m particularly interested in pts. 4 and 5.
There has long been speculation about where Obama got the Ct. S.S. no. from, but I have never come across this original person’s name before, or any proof that his maternal grandmother worked in a place where she could have had access to the S.S. no. of a deceased person, and therefore a chance to get her grandson some I.D. without any hassle.
Seems to me that Ellen is the only one here citing her information. YouTube and Conservative website links are about all I’ve seen from anyone else.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, heck, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was NOT born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
re: “4) His Social Security card belongs to a long-dead Connecticut man by the name of Jean Paul Ludwig who died in Hawaii; Obama never lived in Connecticut. His grandmother worked for the Honolulu Social Services where she stole Mr. Ludwig’s Social Security card.”
Obama’s mother worked for a bank, not for social services.
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers and/or multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
I don’t know why we talking about it over and over again because NOTHING is going to happen because NOBODY else seems to care or they are to scared to do anything about this situation.
When I joined USO many years ago the USO went to my home to see what my family was like. The USO went to my church to investigate if I went and what kind of person I was. When I was going for a job at a bank they investigated what kind of home I came from they called my church to see what kind of person I was and called my parents to see what kind of person I was.
This man is running Our Country into the ground and nobody seems to care where he is from and investigate anything about his birth certificate or SS numbers NOTHING about him seems to interest anyone.
What is going on whatever it is it scares the heck out of me.
Nothing is going to happen because Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born Citizen. See evidence below.
I concur with what is stated with this video. I spent 8 years in the Air Force and had to go through a thorough back ground check to obtain a secret clearance. This is a complete joke for Obama to get away with not providing this information. Everything he (Obama) has provided has been fraud…forged documents which don’t add up. Why has this country not impeached this clown? What is wrong with you America? I am so ashamed of the way this country has hit rock bottom and doesn’t seem interested in trying to pull themselves out! Wake up America…before it’s too late!!!
Re: “Why has this country not impeached this clown?”
Because he was indeed born in Hawaii and is indeed a Natural Born US citizen. And his birth certificate was NOT forged. See evidence below.
It just totally blows my mind that this man has been able to bamboozle the entire country and get away with it. If he were really a citizen of this country why would he hide all his records? Why would there be a forged birth certificate and it has been proven that is what it is. Why was he admitted to college on a foreign student grant? It all points to one thing- he’s not from here, not a citizen and not eligible to hold the highest office of this nation. Those of you who argue different are sadly mistaken. If I ever find out that I am wrong I will gladly apologize to all but I don’t think I’ll ever have to do that. It is so distressing to me that every day that goes by he’s doing more and more damage to our country and he’s doing it because his allegiance lies elsewhere. He’s helping the M.Brotherhood with both hands and our tax money. A real American who loves this country would not do that, only someone who serves people other than us. The president works for us people, us, the taxpayers. We pay for that house, the limos, the planes, and all those awful clothes that are being purchased, all the super expensive vacations, the expensive meals, all of it is on our dime. If you can’t see that then I feel sorry for you and mad at you because you must have supported him in his vile and dishonest takeover of our nation.
Re: ” If he were really a citizen of this country why would he hide all his records? ”
Answer. He hasn’t. He has shown his birth certificate twice and he was never even sued for other records, and he does not have to show them because other presidents and presidential candidates have not shown their college records, passport records, baptism records, Etc. either.
Re: “Why would there be a forged birth certificate and it has been proven that is what it is.”
Answer: It isn’t forged. (see below)
Re: “Why was he admitted to college on a foreign student grant?”
Answer. He wasn’t. That story came from an April Fool’s article originally published on April 1 2009. It is not true.
Re: “It all points to one thing- he’s not from here…’
Answer: Obama was indeed born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper) all show.
Re: “If I ever find out that I am wrong I will gladly apologize to all…”
Answer. The evidence shows overwhelmingly that Obama was born in Hawaii. If you continue to believe that he was born in a foreign country, you should be able to answer the following questions:
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election. Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawaii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama entered the USA in 1961 or received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
Why would there be a forged birth certificate and it has been proven that is what it is
When lies are repeated and repeated, like the Birth Certificat not being false, too many gullible persons become convinced that the lies backed by the pro Obama media, are the truth. The huge problem is that the proofs have been thrown out of the pro Obama courts. Same as the crimes committed by the Kenyan; like the F0RT HOOD SHOOTING, more than three years ago, OF around fifty un armed American Soldiers by an Islamist terrorist, who shouted “Allahu Akbar” while killing 13, including an un born baby, and wounding 36. In order to protect his Islamist brother from being indicted as a Terrorist, Obama defined the shooting as a “WORKING PLACE ACCIDENT”. So, the murdering guy is about to walk free, because of some “political correctness issue”. This is Obama justice, and the media doesn´t care.
The evidence that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, and not in Kenya, is overwhelming. See below.
Re “the murdering guy is about to walk free” and that Obama defined the shooting as a “WORKING PLACE ACCIDENT.” Neither are true, and both are nutty. The shooter in the Fort Hood shooting is about to go to trial in military court (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Pretrial-Hearings-Set-for-Ft-Hood-Suspect/sfq845yh4EaT0G66pSGEZA.cspx) He faces the death penalty. It is possible, that he will not get the death penalty, but it is still on the table.
Ellen is a prime example of the dumbed down elements of our society today. People like her have fed from the trough of liberalism for so long, that they literally can not see the true answer, even when the evidence is placed square in front of them. Arguing your point with them is a waste of time because they absolutely refuse to look at the issue(s) objectively.
It is good that you mention evidence because I do nothing more than present it. In the issue we are discussing, the evidence is overwhelming that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born Citizen. His birth in Hawaii is shown by his birth certificate (short form and long form), which were confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s). And they were further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii). These are FACTS, evidence. You say that I ignore them. Instead, I show the facts. It is you who ignore them.
It is possible that you deny that all I have said above are facts. Well, there is evidence for each one of them:
Here is SOME proof;
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
Now, turning to the claim that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. That, of course, comes only from birther “experts”—who have not shown that they are really experts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review (and Romney and Ryan and McCain, and Gingrich and Santorum, Etc.) do not believe the birther “experts.”
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
America, We need to Wake up. the republican party and the democrat party are two sides of the same coin! They are not interested in impeaching Barry because they have been told by there handlers that this is not in there best interest. Our republic died along with Kennedy and the only way you will get it back is to create more federal parties and to actually vote for them. Stop falling for the same old right left paradigm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS8tWmMBWBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS8tWmMBWBs
What or who is he/she??? It just seems a little tooooo weird to be real!! Must be one of ovomits weirdos! Sorry,but something is just not right about the same old idiotic endless rant!!
I loved the video and I would like to know if Obama’s name was legally changed from Barry to Obama.
Obama’s name was never legally changed from anything to anything. It was never legally changed at all. So, it remains the same as on his birth certificate, Barack Hussein Obama II.
Remember, you can’t hold a discussion with someone who is brain dead, lacking intelligence (real intelligence!), and listens to sound bites or is on the dole. Fact. Obama’s birth certificates have all been forgeries. Remember, his grandmother saw his birth in Kenya where mama slut went to give birth. Hawaii is notorious for “selling” birth certificates and also his white grandmother that he constantly dissed was working in the department and could make changes – because that family were always staunch communists and anything goes to attain your ends. In other words, screw those who oppose you in any way you can. Empty heads can only be filled with air, so don’t waste your breath and typing on them. Let’s just go ahead and take back America any way we can and the sooner the better. WE are the militia!
Did you see where “We The People” just came out with proof that ovomit has indeed used one of the stolen ss#’s? They show the proof from the SS office. Very interesting indeed.
I’m sure poor Ellen will go back on her rant again
Some people just crack me up
Go to : http://bit.ly/X0hadi
You can see the documents from the SS office.
Re: “Fact. Obama’s birth certificates have all been forgeries. ”
Answer: Only birther “experts” have claimed that, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial.
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Re; ‘Remember, his grandmother saw his birth in Kenya where mama slut went to give birth.”
Answer: The claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said any such thing is a birther creation. She never said it. Birther sites simply cut off the tape before she was asked where Obama was born. She answered that question by saying repeatedly that Obama was born in HAWAII, “where his father was studying at the time.” And, in confirmation, the government of Kenya said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” story—and that it is not true.
Re: “Hawaii is notorious for “selling” birth certificates..”
Answer: That is another birther claim without any substantiation whatever. And, Obama’s long form birth certificate has the signature of a doctor of Kapiolani Hospital on it. So, for Obama’s BC to have been “sold” to Obama’s family in 1961, they would have had to have gotten both the government to sell it and doctor at Kapiolani Hospital (which by the way DID exist at the time) to put his signature on a document that lied. And there is the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the Index Data and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. They all would have to be lying for Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii, and so would the officials who confirmed Obama’s birth in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor.
Re: “and also his white grandmother that he constantly dissed was working in the department and could make changes …”
Obama’s Americana grandmother worked in a BANK.
Re SS Number:
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Who ever you are you’re just tooooo weird!!! Once again JUST released the SS# ovomit has been using since he was 18yrs old belonged to a man named “HARRY BOUNEL”
The SS office has just verified it you brainless robot!!!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/01/foia-response-confirms-obama-stole-social-security-number.html
Re “the SS office has just verified it. ”
You made that up. If you did not make it up, you could show it (so show it, if you can). What it can confirm, because it is a fact, is that it made many many mistakes in entering data, millions of data entry errors. And Obama’s CT SS number, the one with the name Bounel on it, was generated by such an error. SS numbers were generated by the entry of the zip code, and Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814 and Danbury CT was in 06814—–notice the similarity?????
Thats ok guys ellen and the rest of these trolls will go the same way as the a$%# H&*^ in the WH
Obama is likely to retire—in four years.
[[[ There is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, and it is not the only proof of his having been born in Hawaii. ]]]
If that’s the case… why did it take so long for him to show it… and if tha’s the case…. why does his Kenya B C… have a foot print on it when his Hawaii doesnt. As far as I know.. all birth certificates have a foot print on them…. all of my kids did…… And I have read before… that the Grannie was Present when he was born in Kenya… then after all this claim about his B C.. came up.. his relatives in Kenya told the Granny to shut up about him being born there… so she did. They didnt care where he was born at first.. so she had no reason to lie… but later on.. when he was running for President.. an issue was made of him having been born in Kenya… then the Democrats started in on that .. and it went from there..
But I suppose you had rather the FBI lie about his BC… than Obma lie… right????? It was proven to the world he was born in Kenya.. by the FBI and some other men who are trained in forgeries….. But since ya an Obama wanna-be… continue to side in with him… It matters not to me… But Im inclined to believe the FBI men who are trained in forgeries… than Obama who has a lot to lose..
Re: “If that’s the case… why did it take so long for him to show it… ”
Answer: Obama showed the short-form Hawaii birth certificate, which is the OFFICIAL BC of Hawaii used by thousands of people every year, way back in June 2008, five months before the election of that year. That does not seem to be very long at all, and the short form OFFICIAL birth certificate, and the confirmation of the REPUBLICAN officials in Hawaii, is more than sufficient.
Re: ” why does his Kenya B C… have a foot print on it when his Hawaii doesnt. ”
Answer: The Kenya BC was forged by Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was, wait for it, forgery. And Lucas D. Smith claimed to have gotten the “Kenya birth certificate” in Mombassa. But, guess what, Lucas D. Smith has repeatedly refused to show proof that he ever went to Kenya. And, finally with regard to Kenya, the Kenyan government said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and that it is not true. With regard to the Hawaii BC not having a footprint on it. No state BCs have footprints on them.
Re: ” And I have read before… that the Grannie was Present when he was born in Kenya… ”
Answer: That also was made up by birthers. Want to see the transcript? In addition, as noted above, the government of Kenya said that it investigated and HE WASN’T BORN IN KENYA (and by the way, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and of them only one came by air, and that one was, wait for it, not a US citizen).
Re: “But I suppose you had rather the FBI lie about his BC… than Obma lie… right????? ”
Answer: The FBI did not say that Obama was born in Kenya or that Obama’s BC is forged, and in fact only birther “experts” have done so, and they have not shown that they are even really experts and they certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial, and birther sites have not shown the numerous real experts who said that Obama’s birth certificate was not forged.
Re: ‘ But Im inclined to believe the FBI men who are trained in forgeries…”
Answer: Once again, no FBI man or former FBI man (or FBI woman or former FBI woman for that matter) has ever said that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. Only some birther “experts” have said so, and the birther sites have not shown you the numerous real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. And the fundamentals remain: (1) there is not a shred of evidence that Obama was born in any foreign country, and there would have had to have been, if he really was; and (2) there is an official birth certificate, confirmed by officials of both parties and confirmed by separate information such as the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley—all showing that Obama was born in Hawaii.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdv_aDdOOLM&feature=player_embedded
It matters not where Barry was born, but who his daddy is…and who he gave his soul to.
Everything about him is constructed, including his BCs—It took one look at him in 2004, (and one look at Billy Jeff and his ‘bride’ in ’92), and I could tell that he was purevil. You think he’s a good guy, worthy of constant defense. May God have mercy on your soul.
Actually, you have it backwards. It does not matter what the citizenship of his father or of BOTH parents was. It matters where he was born, and he was born in Hawaii—as the facts show overwhelmingly..
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen come from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal.
“The opposing case rests on a willfully idiosyncratic reading of an 1875 Supreme Court case called Minor v Happersett. In that ruling, the Court wrote, “…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinct from aliens of foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve those doubts.” In other words, Minor did not settle the question of who was and was not a natural-born citizen, as the plaintiffs claim it did, it deliberately left the question open (as does the constitution, which does not define the term). The Supreme Court has held and lower courts affirmed that natural-born citizen refers to anyone born in the United States.”—the Economist Magazine.
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”
Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. ”
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: “While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: “The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case.”
And by the way, not a single court has ruled for the two-parent theory, and not a single member of the US Electoral College changed her or his vote from Obama to McCain in the 2008 election or from Obama to Romney in the 2012 election out of the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the birther legal theory that two US citizens are required to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Wow, you are an excellent judge of character. Learned all you needed to know by looking at him, did you? That pretty much sums up the extent of your authority and expertise.
I got distracted by the willfully ignorant troll and forgot to say that I have great respect for Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely. He was fired or quit FNC because he wasn’t willing to tell the lies that they are hired to tell.
HOWEVER, Vallely is wrong about Obama’s place of birth—which was in Hawaii. And he is wrong about Obama’s SS number, which was caused by a data entry error.
You really need to see a professional about your problem! It is getting ridiculous to say the least!!!!
Honestly I’m not trying to be mean. We understand you have a blown fuse and cannot help it,why don’t you take a break and come back to reality? If you can’t just at least take a very,very,very long nap!
We will NEVER believe you so give it a rest!
Notice that JoAnn523 does not discuss the facts?
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly by his birth certificate (short form and long form), by the confirmation of officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor), by the public Index Data file, by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers’ “Health Bureau Statistics” sections by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and by the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
Those are FACTS. Would you like me to show the links to the articles that prove them again?
Re: “We will never believe.”
That is a good admission that zealous birthers refuse to consider the facts. They, like those who continue to believe that the Earth is flat, will never believe the facts. That is because they are not rational. But the people who are rational who visit this site consider the facts. The facts are simple, there is overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there is no proof at all that he was born anywhere else.
For example, there is this call made by a conservative radio station, to Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii (which birther sites never show):
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
(Yes, Kapiolani Hospital did exist in 1961, as the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins on WND’s site show. They were born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and the name on that hospital is Kapiolani Gynecological and Maternity Hospital, just like Obama’s hospital name.)
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
(IN addition to all that proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, there is absolutely no proof that he was born anywhere else. The “Kenyan birth certificates” are forgeries, one of which was done by a convicted forger who claimed that he got it in Kenya, but has constantly refused to show proof that he had ever gone to Kenya, and the Kenyan government has denied that Obama was born there.
Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country, and the idea that Obama’s mother had the money and would take the risk of stillbirth traveling a long distance late in pregnancy in 1961 is simply nutty.
Just out of curiosity, why is the “troll” insult so common on this website? The other day, Mike called me “a completely packaged troll”. I get all the Obama/Ovama etc. stuff, but why “troll”?l
One does not have to know anything about Adobe Acrobat or layering to see Fraud in Obama’s Birth Certificate.
High Tech forgers have huge egos and they cannot refrain from showing their superiority over the average man.
Have you got a Brain? Can you think? Can you See? Can you draw conclusions from Evidence? Are you hypnotized by the Conversational Hypnotist and Commie in Chief, Barack Obama?
If you answer yes to the first 4 and no to the last one, then you can know the White House released Birth Certificate for Barack Obama is a Forgery. Once the Magnitude of that Audacity sinks in, you become “Unhypnotize” and know that he is EVIL Incarnate. And his Evil Machine is rapidly taking over our country.
First look at Data Entry block # 18a. Think, what is different about this block when compared to all the other blocks on the form, excluding what is written in them? Think, See, Note, What 1961 typewriter has a “Check” on it. Duh! None! What other block on the form has a check in it? Duh? What is used to mark all the other “Check” Blocks on the Form? Duh, X’s or XX’s.
Now look at the signature of the State Registrar. Everyone knows that Forrest Gump did not invent the “Smiley Face” until after he got out of the Army in the late 1960′s… Duh, what year was Barack Born. That should be easy because it is entered on the form. Duh!
The Stamp that is the Authentication above Alvin T. Oanaka’s name has had the “THE” Changed to “TXE”, Duh!
The name of the local Registrar is Lee. But can you believe it is U K Le Lee, duh, you know like Ukulele the musical instrument.
Do you know what the shadow “9″s are in # 9 and 12b, they mean the block has no data in it. This was told to Mike Zullo by Mrs. Lee herself. She still live in Hawaii and is 96 years old. She gave Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo all of the meanings of all of the shadow codes. The codes were used to select data for government data bases.
Now you know Obama is a Forger, Liar, and guilty of a Felony. And all of his Identity documents are frauds and forgeries. But Glib lazy stupid cool Aid Drinking liberals are too lazy and too hypnotized and actually do not want anyone to break them out of their “Matrix” Coffin.
Oh, and this BC uses Kearning which did not exist in 1961. The spaces between letters in old typewriters had the same space regardless of which letter followed which. Kearning adjusts the space between letters for each letter following the first. This is for appearance and space compression. For instance a y following a T will overlap. No typewriter of the 1960s era would do that. For example, in Data Block 6a, the “ty” in maternity overlap and the “Gy” in Gynecological overlap. That alone proves that this BC has been altered and is a Forgery. There are many more “Tells” of forgery. But, Stupid lazy Liberals will not even go to the slideshare of the White House website. They do not want their “Balloon” of stupidity “Popped” because it will hurt so much and their Messiah will fall to the depths of Helllll.
What follows shows BArack’s literary bios that he Himself wrote for Acton & Distel in 1991, before he knew that to be President you cannot be born in a foreign country, what an Idiot Constitutional Lawyer he was. And one link is to a photocopy and certified copy of his Kenyan BC and witness statements of how Mommy went into labor at the beach in Mombasa. The best document though is the Hawaiian Registration of his Kenyan birth made by Granny Madlyn Payn Dunham which may be veiwed at the Aloh Sun Newspaper site. And the last is a video on the Kearning used in Obama’s Forged white house Birth Certificate released on the Whitehouse Website and how it uses Kearning which did ot exist in 1961 whitch is ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS A FORGERY.
Have Fun Reading the Truth that you will never get from the Main Stream PROPAGANDA MINISTRY that Obama owns and controls.
Barack Hussein Obama II wrote in HIS Literary Bios in 1991 at Acton & Dystel, “Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii” Kenya, HE wrote in 1991 HIS Literary Bios at Acton & Dystel.
To see Obama’s Literary Bios, see the following weblink:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
The following web link contains BHOs Kenyan BC both as a photo copy and a certified copy and has witness videos and statements about how Ann Dunham went into labor at a beach party. She had been refused a return flight to the USA because she was nine months pregnant.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
To see the REAL Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Birth in Kenya visit weblink:
http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/18/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/
To see proof the White House released BC is a fraud and to see his real Hawaiian Birth Registration, see the video of how his WH BC uses Kerning, which did not exist in 1961. The Video’s first 3 minutes shows Kerning used on the WH BC which Absolutely Proves it is a Forgery/Fraud. The next 9 minutes shows his Hawaiian birth Registration of foreign birth, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Honolulu”. The Birth Registration was reported and registered and signed by his Grandmother Madlyn Payne Dunham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hqNBBgwNTMc&feature=endscreen
Layering, by the way, is normal in PDF. That is how it works, and it is not “Kerning.” It is the normal skipping of manual typewriters.
Birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Re: ” can you believe it is U K Le Lee, duh”
Actually, it is Verna K. Lee. (The V looks like a U to some people.)