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It is high time that legislative bodies and prosecutorial authorities investigate the citizenship status of Barack Hussein Obama II as it relates to his eligibility to the Office of President under Article II Section 1 of the United States Constitution. This includes the determination of his actual identity, which requires genetic analysis. I started my investigation and analysis by deeming nearly every assertion as open to question, including the claimed identity of Mr. Obama’s parents. A certificate that a child was born to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu on 4 August 1961 might be true; but, assuming it’s true, it does not necessarily follow that Mr. Obama is that child. Whether he is or not requires genetic analysis.
The federal government needs to determine whether fraud was committed in the electoral process, whether the Great Pretender is eligible under Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, and whether he is posing as a federal officer.
Article II Section 1 also provides that the states elect the President. It states that each state shall appoint the presidential electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct . . . .” Hence each state should have long ago brought its legislative and prosecutorial powers to bear to determine whether Mr. Obama was eligible to be on the ballot (including proof of his identity), whether state election officials performed their duties in allowing him on the ballot without confirming his eligibility, and what should be done to prevent a recurrence of such a constitutional violation, if any.
All government officials should cooperate in such efforts, as they are required by their respective oaths of office to support the Constitution.
Disclosure of Obama’s vital records in Hawai’i will almost certainly show that he was born in Hawai’i to U.S. citizens, verifiable by genetic analysis. Hence at birth Mr. Obama would have been a natural born U.S. citizen. Official investigators should be prepared for this early result, and resist the pressure to consider it to be conclusive as to Mr. Obama’s eligibility as a natural born citizen when he ran for the Office of President.
The status of natural born U.S. citizen can be acquired – or not – only at birth. But it can be lost thereafter, by loss of citizenship. The term “natural born U.S. citizen” subsumes “citizen”. You can not be a natural born citizen if you are not a citizen at all.
Assume that Hawai’i’s certification of live birth is true and official as far as it goes. If Mr. Obama’s birth parents are indeed Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama the alien Luo tribesman, there is a prima facie case that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, because Obama the Luo tribesman was an alien.
But as to the birth parents, the certification of live birth is ambiguous. This ambiguity arises from its nature; it is an abstract of information from a document on file. However, the document on file could be an original birth certificate naming birth parents, or it could be an amended birth certificate reflecting adoptive parents.
When a child is adopted, an amended birth certificate is created naming the adoptive parents and creating an official fiction that they are the birth parents. Just the other day, Thursday 23 September 2010, a lady was in my law office whose close relative was adopted; she had seen both the original and amended birth certificate of the relative.
Hence Hawai’i’s certification of Mr. Obama’s live birth in Hawai’i is intentionally ambiguous. By design, it is impossible to tell from the certification whether the purported parents named therein are Mr. Obama’s birth parents or his adoptive parents. This is to keep adoptions confidential. Furnishing an amended certificate would tip the observer to an adoption. Hawai’i’s custodians of vital records are barred by law from divulging the adoption without the adoptee’s consent, or pursuant to legal process.
However, on 22 July 2009, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, issued a statement by which she goes about as close to the brink as she can, without violating her legal obligation to keep the adoption confidential, to tell us that Mr. Obama was adopted. Her statement is quoted in the book “The Manchurian President” on page 76. (It’s amusing that the authors of that highly informative book fail to pick up on Dr. Fukino’s effort to disclose Mr. Obama’s adoption without violating legal restraints; they say on page 77 that her statement “told us nothing new.”)
Dr. Fukino’s statement refers to Mr. Obama’s “vital records” in the plural. He was not dead, so she must be referring to two birth certificates, the original that named birth parents and an amended certificate naming adoptive parents.
Moreover, data in the certification of live birth must have been taken from the amended certificate, for Dr. Fukino also says that the records verify that Mr. Obama is a “natural born American citizen.” If the original birth certificate showed Obama the Luo to be a birth parent, it would have proved the opposite.
Dr. Fukino is very clever. She has tipped us to an adoption without explicitly disclosing an adoption, which would be unlawful. She has also let us know that Mr. Obama’s birth parents were U.S. citizens, which makes baby Obama a natural born U.S. citizen at birth. This leaves open the possibility that he lost American citizenship thereafter.
Mr. Obama’s vital records must be disclosed and his DNA analyzed to confirm the birth parents of Barack Hussein Obama II, and to confirm that Mr. Obama, pretender to the Office of President, is actually the child whose birth was recorded, not a ringer.
But if, as seems highly probable, Mr. Obama’s production of DNA and his vital records would prove that, at birth, he was a natural born U.S. citizen, why would be refuse to confirm it? He might maintain that it would be to avoid family scandal and damage to the reputations of others, or to prevent the disclosure of his own illegitimate origins. In all probability, however, that there are two main reasons -
First, neither of Obama’s birth parents is of recent African origin. Mr. Obama’s whole political career has been based on being the son of a black Luo tribesman, with kith & kin in today’s Africa. Mr. Obama’s gross misrepresentation that he is black is arguably election fraud. An American black told Laura Ingraham the other day that a black will forgive one many a fault if he’s black. Wonder what they would think if he is, for example, the son of a Caucasian father and a predominantly Polynesian mother, with perhaps Portagee overtones, who just pretends to be black to get votes and denigrate opponents as racists.
Secondly, the Kenyan birth myth and other false notions about his birth and its constitutional consequences distract attention from his real citizenship problems, his probable loss of U.S. citizenship by forfeiture, disclaimer, renunciation, sedition, or some combination of the foregoing. He is trying to replicate the experience of Chester Alan Arthur, who was helped in distracting attention from the fact that his father William was not yet a U.S. citizen when Chester was born, by successfully rebutting false charges that Chester himself was born outside the U.S. By my hypothesis, Mr. Obama can prove eligibility at birth, but became ineligible by loss of citizenship thereafter.
This message only scratches the surface, but shows clearly what is likely needed to confirm Mr. Obama’s status as natural born citizen at the time of his birth: Hawai’i’s vital records of him and his DNA along with, perhaps, DNA analyses of others.
Proof of Mr. Obama’s status at birth will dispel false rumors, establish the bona fides of the investigators, and allow them to focus on events in Mr. Obama’s life history that probably cost him his American citizenship. If Mr. Obama proves he retained the status of natural born citizen, we will at least take comfort in knowing that we did not elect an ineligible anti-American communist; instead, we elected an eligible anti-American communist. Cold and clammy comfort, to be sure, but we take what solace we can.
Production of the Hawai’ian vital records and DNA samples will probably require official requests and possibly subpoenae. Will you and your Committee on Elections mount such an investigation? I would be glad to serve such an effort for expenses only.
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Don't hold yor breath for as long as the Dems are in control no investagation will be made on Mr. Obama.
I agree. There WILL never be no investagation made on Obama. No DEM will ever investagate him!
You are so right DaveH. He will never be investigated. The fraud against America is rampant. He's not a citizen. He's an alien. NASA should be investigating. But all scientists are pinko commies.
That's *President Obama,* you piece of shit redneck. And I would quit using your real name if I were you. I just googled you and you're contributing nothing to humanity. Maybe one night someone drops by your trailer park and shuts you up for good. Hm?
Since a substantial number of American Citizens feel that the president is not constitutionally qualified for the office that he occupies, it is time for a full investigation as to how this has been allowed to occur and to detirmine his actual qualifications. His spending approximately a million dollars to seal all his records and his failure to produce a valid long form birth certificate makes the electorate feel they sold a bill of goods of questionable authenticity. It is high time and past time, so lets find the actual truth of this matter immediately.
He has already shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. The facts on the official birth certificate were confirmed by the officials in Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii. Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born IN HAWAII. And, in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
He has not "sealed" his records. They are private. He has not spent anything on "sealing. There never was a lawsuit against Obama just for the birth certificate or just for records.
No ellen he has not!
Ellen is James McPherson's Bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's Bott!
You never discuss the facts. You only call names. In this case the facts that we were discussing relate to Obama' birth certificate. The facts are that he has posted the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii, a Republican, have confirmed the facts on that document.
Ellen the birth certificate can be forged. Evidence of alien DNA can't be. We need chain of custody and open laboratory testing.
This is an excellent example of why Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck all call birthers CRAZY.
Obama has shown his OFFICIAL birth certificate from Hawaii, and that is sufficient, especially with the repeated confirmations of the facts on the birth certificate by the officials in Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii. AND, Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying, and she said in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Too late Watters. The Republicans destroyed the country before Obama came on board.
Yes, a "substantial" number feel that way, but any number larger than "1" is a substantial number because these people are bat #*$#Q crazy.
Instead of checking on Obama's DNA, these people need their heads examined.
Its so far past the time its now just absurd.
Each state has failed to VET him so thank your State Attorney General,
the Congress failed to Vet him, so Thank your Coingress persons,
the DOJ, failed to Vet, so thank the DOJ.
The FBI failed to VET so thank the FBI.
Oh and the fact that he is still going shows just how bad all of our local as well state and Federal governments truly are.
Can you say NWO? If not you better get used to it, thats whats going on, its so obvious that I can't fathom anyone still would question such.
Tin foil hats for everyone!
I believe Alan Keyes knows that Obama is not a citizen…when Obama was running for the Seante seat.
Absolutely no school records available…I'm guessing that Obama received a Foreign Grant to go to Harvard Univ. His family could not have affored that.
I agree. His family could not affored that.
Do you think the US tax payers had to underwrite his time at Harvard? The American people should be appalled.
Can you provide me a copy of George W. Bush's certificate of live birth or any other proof of his citizenship? Is there any proof that GW Bush wasn't born in Kenya and then adopted later? Can you please provide me with the school records of GW Bush? Is there a single school record that GW Bush released?
Why Investigate ? Here is one of Many reasons.
Robert Gibbs Is Asked About Obama's Connecticut Social Security Number http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Aahw3NT6E
Obama's Social Security Number(s) – Jerome Corsi on the Jeff Kuhner Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRt64dO0opE&pl…
Obama's Social Security Numbers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4KWb8QjHRo
The reason for the SS story is that virtually everyone's SS file contains mistakes, often several in the same file, and usually caused by mis-entered or transposed numbers.
What? His Birth Certificate AND his SS?? That's a little too much to swallow!
Obama has shown his official birth certificate from Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it. Mistakes in SS files are VERY widespread. There are LOTS of errors.
Answer. The cause of the SS number is a data-entry error. SS numbers were issued based on the zip code of the applicant. Obama's Hawaii address was zip code 96814 and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice that 0 and 9 are next to each other on the computer.
I doubt that!
Ellen/James cut the BS!
I don't think so Ellen!
Ellen is James McPherson's Bott!
Answer. The cause of the SS number is a data-entry error. SS numbers were issued based on the zip code of the applicant. Obama's Hawaii address was zip code 96814 and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice that 0 and 9 are next to each other on the computer.
There are multiple people named Barack Obama. Neither name is tremendously uncommon. Even my name is super rare, but there are at least two others with the exact same spelling. Only idiots question the President's qualifications to serve.
IT IS ABOUT TIME…………..
Couldn't agree more Marr. It's a tradegy on the American people. The real people.
Obama couldn't be a natural born citizen if he were born in the US. His father was not a US Citizen. I refer you to the Constitution of the United States.
Obama's father has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. The original meaning of Natural Born was simply "born in the country."
That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
Ellen,
You need to do more research into this matter than just to quote a couple of senators giving their off-the-cuff opinion. Neither of them are constitutional lawyers. There is considerable evidence that the Founding Fathers knew precisely what they were doing when they made the qualifications to be POTUS more strict than just someone born in the US. That is the definition of a 'native born' citizen. Big difference, legalistically. And it is that difference that is the cause of all this kerfuffle abut Obama's eligibility.
Not a single AMERICAN writing at about the time that the Constitution was written every used the phrase Natural Born to mean "two citizen parents." They always used it to refer to the place of birth, never to the parents. The phrase "native born" was not popular at the time that the Constitution was written. The phrase Natural Born was used all the time, and it was always used to refer to the PLACE of birth, never to parents.
Yes, the framers (the founding fathers were the first settlers) know exactly what they were doing. By writing Natural Born Citizen, they excluded foreigners from becoming president because you have to be a citizen. And, they excluded naturalized citizens from becoming president because you have to be Natural Born, which meant "born in the country."
But there is no evidence that they wanted to treat the US-born children of foreigners differently than the US-born children of US citizens. If they had wanted to do so, they would have written it into the Constitution, or at least into such articles as the Federalist Papers. But, instead, they only used Natural Born in their articles to refer to the place of birth. And, there is no evidence that John Jay used it any differently than Adams or Hamilton or any of the others.
That should read "ever" not "every".
Oh, Stan. When the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, a hefty part of the American citizenry had parents not born in the US. You can't even think your way out of a paper bag.
BS Ellen!
Stan Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
You never discuss the facts or the law. You simply call names. In this case, the issue was the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, and the original meaning of that, use at the time that the Constitution was written was simply "born in the country."
Yale Law Review wrote: "It is well settled that “native-born” citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born. It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not." (Jill A. Pryor, Yale Law Review, 1988)
Chester A. Arthur, the 21st Pres., was born in Vermont to an American mother and an Irish (Brit. subject) father. The Supreme Court held in US v. Wong (1897) 169 US 649 that a child born on American soil to two non-citizens is a US citizen.
If Obama was born anywhere on American soil he is a NATURAL BORN citizen regardless of his parentage. The entire ruse is a cover up by the Democrats and Moderate Republicans. The CIA,FBI and Secret Service all know exactly who he is and why he sits on the throne. Obama is the New WORLD Citizen put forth by those pushing for a Central Control of all governments.
But Obama was born in Kenya. You think Kenya is part of U.S.? All indications show, he was NOT born in Hawaii, which is a state of America. None of the 2 hospitals that Democrats claim he was born want to confirm it. Obama's only recourse to prove he is a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" is to provide his authenticated original birth certificate. He continues to refuse doing that. I firmly believe he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The ramification of the truth is disastrous. This is the reason the authorities are ignoring this very important issue.
Absolutely incorrect…..if Obama was born in the USA without having both parents be American citizens, as in a Kenyan father, he can at best be "native born". He cannot be a natural born citizen if his father is who he says he is, because Obama Sr. was NEVER an American citizen. The Constitution intended for the president to not have alligiance to any country other than America through their parents, they knew that if that happened it would be very bad for America, Obama has proven they were correct. It is not that difficult, Obama is not a natural born citizen by the U.S. Constitution even if he was born in the Lincoln bedroom.
Obama was not born in Kenya.
The National Review said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”
If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother's US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.
If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother's passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate from Hawaii shows, and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii. Obama has already posted a copy of the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, which is the only birth document that Hawaii has been sending out since 2001. Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate, only of the official birth certificate: The Certification of Live Birth.
The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate. That is the document that the "birther bill," the legislation sponsored by Republicans in Congress to make future candidates prove their place of birth. It calls for the candidates to show their OFFICIAL birth certificate, not their original birth certificate.
Wrong Ellen!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
You have little understanding of law. The supreme court ruled in the 19th century that all people born in the united states were natural born citizens. Look up US v. Wong Kim Ark.
If you were born in the US you are a natural born citizen. Get over it. He won, the panamanian mccain lost.
Stan Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Ellen isJames McPherson's bott!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
You never discuss the facts. In this case, the facts being discussed is how to remove a president. The Constitution specifies that this can only be done by impeachment, and the complete impeachment process requires a majority vote in the US House of Representatives and a two-thirds vote in the US Senate.
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
You do not discuss the facts. The facts are that Obama has proven that he was born in Hawaii with the official birth certificate that has been confirmed repeatedly. And there is NO proof of him being born in Kenya.
The National Review said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”
Ellen is quite correct. I suggest you do some research.
Why do you keep saying that? Every other President, at least in my memory, simply had the FEC confirm their eligibility and that was the end. But THIS one we make him publically display his BC, and now you crazies STILL won't let go of your stupidity.
Obama was not born in Kenya.
If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother's US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.
If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother's passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate from Hawaii shows, and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii. Obama has already posted a copy of the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, which is the only birth document that Hawaii has been sending out since 2001. Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate, only of the official birth certificate: The Certification of Live Birth.
Obama was born in Hawaii, as the officials in Hawaii, the governor of Hawaii (a Republican0, this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) and Obama's Kenyan grandmother have all said.
you are absolutely wrong.. read De Vittels law of nations for the definition of NBC.. there are three supreme court rulings that help Identify the requirements look them up.. born of Parents that are US citizens is the mainstay of the definition… being born on US soil may not be a requirement..J. McCain was born in Panama.. congress passed a " resolution" that claimed he was a NBC because his parents were US citizens… you seem to think he is legit yet describe him as a usurper make up your mind you just can't have it both ways… a NBC he is not . his father was not a US citizen and that makes Obummer a dual citizen … one of british decent and one of US decent
That's right..and DUAL CITIZAENSHIP prohibits anyone from becoming POTUS…it's the RULE OF LAW…the CONSTITUTION. I have an article written in Guideposts dated January 1962 describing a missionary woman who traveled to Africa to set up literacy training centers returning home to Kansas in 1959. She directly assisted financing the education of two African students–Barack Obama, at the University of Hawaii and Mwangi Maganjo, at the American School of Tangier in Moroocco.
Does the first student's name sound familiar to anyone? The fact of the matter is, there is no way in hell that Barak Hussein Obama, Jr. is eligible to be POTUS. This is the greatest attack on our Constitution in America's history. Folks, we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands and nobody with the supreme power to do anything about it is acting for the good will of the true citizens of these United States.
Actually, dual citizenship has no effect either. The writers of the Constitution did not believe that a person could have two allegiances. They believed, with Blackstone, that a person could have only one allegiance, and the criterion for allegiance was the PLACE of birth.
There is absolutely no proof that the writers of the Constitution followed Vattel's idea about two citizen parents. Vattel, after all, recommended that every country should have a state religion and force people to join it (or allow them to leave the country). We did not follow his recommendation in that, and there is no evidence that we followed the two-parent theory either. Vattel actually did not use the term Natural Born Citizen. He said that an "indignes" (whatever that is) requires two citizen parents, and the phrase Natural Born Citizen was introduced by a British translator about a decade after the constitution was written.
At the time that the Constitution was written, Americans used the phrase Natural Born to refer only to the place of birth. It does not refer to the parents of a person. Not one American leader at the time ever used the term Natural Born to refer to the parents.
That is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
Being born on us soil a citizen does not make you natural born idiot!
He is a fake and a fraud and a disgrace to all Americans. He must be impeached !!
Thomas: Obama did not start two wars. He did not allow 'torture'. He is not responsible for the millions of lives lost due to these two wars. Impeach those who are responsible for the above.
Could he be a fake because you don't like his ethnic background? Obama is a weak president. He failed to spend the stimulus on infrastructure improvement, which would have created jobs.
To to simply scream and yell that he's a fraud and must be impeached is simply bogus. Where are the High Crimes and Misdemeanors committed by President # 44?
And yet, we have books detailing the high crimes and misdemeanors committed by Dick Cheney. Torture. The outing of a CIA spy. The political manipulation of the Department of Justice. The secret agreements with oil and energy companies. The list goes on and on.
INVESTIGATE HIM NOW!!!!
Obama is a joke on the American people. This suggests he may not be the product of the parents he claims, but a substitute. His "Mother's" life was very questionable to begin with.
The question is, if the GOP are in control, do they have the "balls" to go forward and order an investigation? I doubt it.
LETS ASK THEM!!!
News sources from various African countries published that Obama was born in either Africa or Kenya in 2008 when he was running for the U.S. Presidency. They obviouly know what the American Press is surpressing.
The now know fact that Obama is also using multiple social security numbers and mainly one from a deceased Ct man adds to the fraud being commited.
These videos expose alot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HgI9TWJuqE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9us_I6g__O8&fe… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dok978WduKs&fe…
Kenyan and other African newspapers can make mistakes.
Here is a reliable US newspaper, the Wall Street Journal:
"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
The National Review said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”
Ernesto: If he was born in "Africa or Kenya in 2008" will you please give us the Month he was born so that we can determine the precise age of this 2 year old who is running our country.
I agree with you that there should be an investigation, & he should have to prove who he is the same
as everyone else. Go get him…
Did GW Bush have to prove who he was? Can you provide documents that prove GW Bush was an American citizen? I want the original signed birth certificate with the doctors signature. *crickets*
I believe it is time to straighten the recoerd out. Is he or isn't he a natural citizen if this country? I believe a congressional committee should be formed to investigate this matter, once and for all. If he is qualified to be president of the United States . He is making a mokery of our constitution. by avoididing the issue at hand.
Obama's election has already been confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress. Obama was born in Hawaii. Birth in the USA is sufficient for Natural Born Citizen status.
It was already done in 2006 when Obama was elected to the Senate. Hello!
Quote:
"Disclosure of Obama’s vital records in Hawai’i will almost certainly show that he was born in Hawai’i to U.S. citizens, verifiable by genetic analysis. Hence at birth Mr. Obama would have been a natural born U.S. citizen. "
The article has some major problems. Obama's claimed father, Barack Obama Sr., was NEVER an American citizen of any kind….why is the article saying he was?
Another Quote:
"But if, as seems highly probable, Mr. Obama’s production of DNA and his vital records would prove that, at birth, he was a natural born U.S. citizen, why would be refuse to confirm it?"
The reason Dr. Fukino said Obama was a "natural born citizen" was because the day before she said that the U.S. Congress had said Obama was a natural born citizen in something they passed to try to BS there way out of the Constututional crisis they allowed to happen. She wasn't going to say Obama wasn't a natural born citizen right after Congress said he was. I doubt if Fikino has a clue what a natural born citizen is.
The article needs to be investigated, it's likely written by an Obot.
The term Natural Born Citizen is well known by lawyers and even in common speech to mean "born in the country." An example of the latter was that when American men were asked to register for the draft in WWI, they were asked whether they were citizens, and if they were whether they were naturalized or natural born. Since there were only two categories of citizen, the meaning of Natural Born must refer to the place of birth and not to birth by two (or even one) citizen parent.
And example of the former is this:
"“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
I can't believe this is still going on! I can't believe anything about this guy Obama or this administration! I can't believe the BS I heard every single day and night stemming from him and his band of thugs! I can't believe I get physically ill because of the BS happening to this Country! I can't believe no one can seem to stop him! I can't believe no matter what he just continues destroying the American way of life! Why can't he be stopped? PART 1 OF 2
I felt the same way about George W Bush….LOL
U.S. Citizen: I can't believe that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have not yet been prosecuted for "War Crimes." I can't believe the BS I hear every single day and night from people like Boehner and McConnell and the republican band of thugs. The time for getting physically ill because of happenings to this Country should have been when the Bush Admn., illegally invaded Iraq. I can believe that for 8 years the republican party destroyed the American way of life. I CAN believe that we stopped the Republicans in 2008.
What thungs? Who has Obama bullied? CEO's? They are still getting paid.
We voted for him. Just like we will vote for him again in 2012, because Americans prefer him to the Republicans that destroyed the country.
Why does it seem no one is even trying to do anything? It's really just sickening! As far as all the people demanding he prove his c itizenship, why do they have to try so ef'ing hard, every ef'ing day? It doesn't even matter how many question his citizenship dammit, he is the United States President and he himself should be taken aback if a single as in one, American citizen questions this matter, he should be more than willing to put this question to bed already! I swear I'm trying to hang in there but this SOB is pushing me to the edge and I'm so sick and tired of being so sick and tired because of him and his anti-American BS! I hope we will all see the day he will be required to prove his citizenship to every single citizen before the 2012 elections. I want this Country back, the way it was meant to be! Grrrrrrrr PART 2 OF 2
I know how you feel and I agree with you…my frustration with Congress and the media doing nothing is sometimes almost unbearable. Think about the 24/7 for weeks media coverage of whether GWB missed a Guard drill or not, and compare that with the stone silence about Obama, who we know almost nothing about, except he has friends who are terrorist, Communist and, of course, Socialist.
Has the Chicago mafia scared everyone into silence? What the he!! is going on!!!
Exactly Bob, and I didn't even mention his so called justice department with yet another whistle blower coming foward with complaints of corruption. The Justice department of the United States, where else does an American have to turn? It just seems there is no end. Thanks for the reply Bob.
Right there with you US Citizen.
I'm clinging to the painful LOL that NBC for Obama only
means natural born criminal
Bob: And I still wonder what Bush was transporting when he was flying planes from Miami to Houston. I still wonder why he, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld have not been prosecuted for War Crimes and invading Iraq based on a lie to the world. Obama's first act should have been taking Rove down before he could do more damage as he currently is doing. And Cheney before he & his silly daughter could do more damage. If Obama has failed it is in two catagories a) assuring that Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld were prosecuted and b) failure to end both wars immediately.
US Citizen: I feel your pain about being "sick and tired of being sick and tired." We dems felt that way during the 8 year republican reign. We were sick and tired of illegal wars and torture of prisioners of administration lies, of administration secrecy, of GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Boehner, McConnell, of the republicans running this country into the ditch. Of the billions spent on these wars and we grieved because we knew that once the Democrats gained power we would have to pick up the pieces left behind by the republicans and we would have to continue fighting the ignorance of the republican party. Oh well…we are strong and we will continue the fight for justice. Hopefully, one of these days…those who approved of torture and who lied to the world regarding Iraq in their quest to invade Iraq….will be brought to Justice.
It is PAST TIME!!! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE IN A NEWS REEL/I watched it in the fall of 1961. Local stations then were 4-6&10. ( 2 other people saw it also!)
Without a doubt, where there is smoke there IS fire.
The fact of the matter is that Obama is hiding a vital birth secret.NEVER in the history of the US has a POTUS refused to answer that which all citizens have to, even in order to receive a driver's license, passport and other verifiable documents.
The question becomes-what is he hiding and why has the Supreme Court allowed this blatant violation of electoral law to continue? I have little doubt that his parentage is what lurks behind his secrecy. I would not at all be surprised to find out that Malcolm X is his father.He is a dead ringer for him, and Stanley was in Seattle at the SAME time as he was, just before she got pregnant. I believe that there are 2 birth certificates, that Obama Sr was the one the family/Malcolm X somehow bribed to become his 'parent' of record.
Re: "NEVER in the history of the US has a POTUS refused to answer that which all citizens have to, even in order to receive a driver's license, passport and other verifiable documents. "
First, Obama has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by the officials in Hawaii and most recently by the governor of Hawaii. Second, it is the only birth certificate that he can show because Hawaii does not send out the original anymore. Finally, he is the first and so far the only US president to have shown his birth certificate. None of the others did.
If Malcolm X was his father, it would have absolutely no effect on his Natural Born Citizen status.
Can anyone testify that Stanley Ann was pregnant at the proper time. There are assumptions galore but I have yet to see anything to confirm that she was. I have seem considerable that has not proved out to be true and Ellen has offered no confirmations to this controversy, just statements without any backing. Just because I believe something does not make it true. But if it is true there will also be confirmation.
Maybe this comment will stay up
I don't understand your question. What was "the proper time?"
Are you saying that she was not pregnant nine months before Obama was born? Are you implying that Obama was born later than Aug. 4, 2007? (If so how to account for that date on his official birth certificate, repeatedly confirmed by the officials, and how to account for the notices in the newspapers?)
Can anyone testify that your mother was pregnant "at the proper time?"
You are crazy. His Hawaiian birth certificate is by law the official document that proves his birth their and is all that the state of Hawaii would ever release to anyone, including Obama himself. That is what you take to get your driver's license. It's the same thing in most states and in every state that issues them, they don't provide any other document, even to the person named on the document.
Whether he is legal or not, he needs to be removed from office if for no other reason than the obvious lies and corruption that he and his cohorts have perpetrated. He is on a fast track to undermine our great nation. We need to stand for our freedom and culture before it is tossed under the bus forever.
You have every right to attempt to impeach him. It takes a majority vote in the US House of Representatives and two-thirds plus one vote in the US Senate.
Ira: Our great Nation was "tossed under the bus" from 2000-2008 @ which time the republican administration "undermined our great nation" to a point that the foundation almost totally crumbled. You stood by and did nothing as that administration lied to the world, the people and the Congress in their effort to invade Iraq. You stood by and didn't mumble a word as that administration participated in illegal torture and you stood by remaining mute rather than state that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be prosecuted for war crimes. Yet, you want to remove this president from office based on your ignorant personal beliefs regarding his birth…you sir…have a problem.
Ira, what "freedom" is President Obama taking away. Be specific. You right wing nutjobs always like to say the President is undermining the Constitution or taking away our freedoms, but never actually say what part of the Constitution or what freedoms. And what "culture" is the President destroying?? The "white" culture, the "WASP" culture?? I am an American and a patriot, and I don't see any of my "culture" being destroyed or thrown under a bus.
Why is it that all of this is just now coming to light? What has this man got on the country that has prevented an investigation to prove or disprove his eligibility? It really sickens me to think that we have allowed this usurper to nearly destroy our country and our values, and I pray that it isn't because of our lack of action. I can say that one of the happiest days of my life will be when we take him out of the white house in handcuffs!
Blindness but that comes from the Lord. But it is our unbelief that brings us to such blindness. There is no possible way Obama could have succeeded on his on cognizance nor is it Chicago politics. Try global. We are dealing with a spirit rather than just flesh and blood but this spirit can lead the flesh and blood by temptation much as we can toll a hog into a pen with a few grains of corn. The solution is to believe the Lord rather than just reject the world. Then we will make all the right choices.
Dave: The happiest days of my life will be when Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are prosecuted for War Crimes.
Oh,no….our President is a black man…
What is his father is the communist Frank Marshal?, his resemblense to Frank Marshal is more elocuent, put the two picture together!!.
EL ZORRO
Seems like you are backing down from whether he was born in the u.s. a or not. You are now nit picking.
Obama himself said in his book Dreams From My Father, that his father is/was not a citizen. That should be all we need to get him out. Plus the fact that when he went to school in Indonesia he had to give up his US citizenship, if he actually was a citizen.
Exactly. O keeps putting his foot in his mouth. One lie leads to another and he can't remember
who he told what until the video came out and his book.
You are correct. No BC is needed, just some way to break though the protection of CONgress and the media…in both cases more to protect themselves from their involvement in this historical sham than to protect Barry. If there was any justice, hundreds, maybe thousands of people would be going to jail with Barry.
Who told you that to attend school in Indonesia requires that you be an Indonesian citizen? It is wrong, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will show. Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia; just call the Indonesian Embassy and ask.
Dual citizenship has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. Thomas Jefferson was a dual national when he was president, having been voted a full (not an honorary) citizen of France by the French legislature. James Buchanan and Andrew Jackson are believed to have been dual nationals of Britain at birth.
Moreover, the writers of the Constitution did not believe that dual nationality affects allegiance. They held that a person can have only one allegiance, to the country where he was born.
The citizenship of one or two parents has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status when you have been born in the country.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
True!
Far too many people mistakenly believe that both parents must be citizens in order for a baby to be a natural born US citizen. It's simply not true. Obama's mother was a US citizen and he was born in Hawaii. End of story. No really….The End.
You have no clue. Hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your husband, the president is black.
Doesn't matter what his father's status was… he was born in American which makes him a natural born citizen. That is it. Learn the law of the land. Supreme Court says so. Bam you lose and sanity won.
Next they will say his dad shot both kennedys and that he was part of the illuminati and the free masons. Heck maybe he is a descendant of christ being hidden by the priori. Heck his mom was probably the one of the elders of zion. Do you get mad that people think you are crazy?
Constitutionally, everyone born in the United States, like Obama, is a citizen, no matter what citizenship his parents have. One cannot give up US citizenship without signing papers and taking oaths, something that minors cannot do. One can give up one's citizenship orally under duress, but the US won't recognize it. Obama is a natural-born citizen, get over it and stop trying to overthrow the government.
Jan: You are completely, utterly wrong. His mother is an American. That's all the law requires. Thousands and THOUSANDS of American kids go to school overseas every year because their parents work abroad or they are on exchange programmes. It's frankly depressing to see people posting ignorant rubbish like yours.
Another Minnesotan here….I have already emailed Amy and Al and received no response from Al,
yet Amy sends back a thank you….whatever. I don't think they even read them. But I agress whole heartedly that this subject is way too old to not be resolved yet. i believe O is NOT eligible to be the
president (I will not call him that) and his lawyers should be prosecuted also for corruption.
you are completely insane, and a disgrace to all conservatives, or whatever you even are. This piece continues to push the boundaries of sanity, decency, and logic and people such as you are the reason why this country is deprived of honest, worthwhile. There are numerous legitimate reasons to oppose this President. This is ridiculous.
A bit testy on the topic, eh Marshall? Projection is befitting most liberals, not conservative. True Conservatives do not have to stick up for anybody. They have principles that they stick up for.
The principle that I had to show my birth certificate, every year for All-stars in little league and football was a farce then eh? I'm just a pee-on, so what's the beef all of these years? Projection is befitting liberals, not conservatives.
Marshall, you have to kidding. There is no way anyone intelligent enough to use a computer could not see through the made-up person, the total fraud, that IS Barrack Obama/Barry Soetoro.
No one who is remotely honest would hide and make-up, often getting himself confused, as much of his past as possible. The Frank Marshal Davis, Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, Van Jones stuff he let leak out should be enough to remove him from pretending to be president, let alone the tons of other evidence of the biggest political sham in history.
I agree this particular article is, I think, mostly BS…but Obama a "natural born citizen?…….from what we absolutely know there is no chance of that. Yes, it is important.
Obama IS a Natural Born Citizen since he was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate proves, and the original meaning of Natural Born was simply "born in the country.' That is why Obama was elected by the Electoral College, without a single member changing her or his vote despite a campaign by birthers and two-fers to get them to change their votes. And that is why his election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress (again, despite a campaign by birthers and two-fers to get them to change their votes).
Wrong Ellen!
Ellen is James McPherson's bott!
Once again, tired old cougar, Ellen is quite correct.
Able Danger has been held underwater for what, ten years or so? This can last as long as Jimmy Hoffa, thanks to the Union guys, who support which political party?
If the republicans take either either house or senate, that will be the first order of business. the democrats will follow suit , as they lose the their seat, obozo will be the cause. i expect some democrats to switch parties as well. He can not be allowed to continue this fraud. The problems we face now, and in the future, can not be decided by this lunatic. Unfortunately, he still has a large group of loyal voting supporters. Can you fool all the people all the time? His programs will affect rich and poor, black and white. He is for obozo only, and he manages to annoy his own supporters. The rich democrats who wanted him, are now against him. The poor will not benefit or the blacks. They knew what he was before voting and said "close enough". You can play the race card only so long, and it gets old, or blaming a past president long gone. The war is still with us and a the build up, decided by him, in Afganistan is his war. The taxes are coming due as well, and a short paycheck will be noticed by all. Health care will become a nightmare, if not changed back. The supreme court of cowards, allowed swearing in, the fraud. They must all be removed and hung for their inaction. These judges are traitors, they need the rope, and deserve it.
Maree: In typical republican fashion you rattle on and on and on…basically making an idiot of yourself.
A investigation of Obama is in order!
This charade if in fact it is one needs to come to a end.
It is time to bring an end to this matter which continues to grow & divide America.
Hot Cougar: An investigation is in order for all elected representatives. Example: They should share with the public their source of income other than the wages we have paid them so that we can know for sure just who participated in SELLING America to big corporations via the Lobbyists. We should know their role in the US Chamber of Commerce as it SELLS American jobs to foreign countries and takes millions of dollars from foreign countries to pay for republican political Ad's thereby allowing foreign countries to determine the winner of elections in the US. An investigation and prosecutioin is in order for Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld regarding their lies to the world becauses they wanted to invade Iraq and their participation in War Crimes. Ahhh…there's just so many investigations that need to take place….and don't forget the "C" Street crowd.
If any of you want to have a genetic test to facilitate who O's true parentage is, then I volunteer my own DNA;
Y ou'll see what I mean at http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com if the "Patriot Act" lets you through.
OBAMA HAS NEVER BEEN POTUS; http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/17/there-is-n… http://americangrandjury.org/public/
Obama is a traitor. He cannot serve as POTUS in that respect ,also:
18USC,Part 1,Chapter 115,Sec.2381
http://www/youtube.com/watch?v=sUaGe63Aqv4
Corrected link:
http://www/youtube.com/watch?v=sUaGe63Aqv4
Let me try this again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaGe63Aqv4
Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress, and he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States.
Ellen is npothing more than James McPherson's bott!
US v. Wong Kim Ark, look it up. SCOTUS says that anyone born in the US no matter whether they are children of citizens is a natural born citizen. End of story.
Chester A Arthur's dad wasn't a citizen at the time of his birth but he wasn't black and he didn't have a weird name.
Obviously the polls show he has not convinced the majority who he is. In this nation of law that popular opinion means ZERO. The law states how he is to qualify and to date he has not done so. Not only has he not provided the proofs required he has paid to keep all his records out of sight and to top it all off we have an entire government willing to allow this violation to stand.
"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."
Samuel Adams
Thank you, A_pen, for this quote by one of the Founding Fathers. It puts this whole thing in perspective. People in our day and age might be tempted – by all of the corruption and sleaze around, as part of the air we breathe in our cultural environment – to think, 'Oh well; close enough,' or: 'Oh hey – everybody cheats; get a life'. But either we live by fundamental values or we do not. If we do not, comes the deluge.
Obama visited his grandmother on her deathbed during his campaign. Surely she confessed his incarnational origins, if he didn't already know by then. And then his following-on actions of suppressing his various records, and issuing an Executive Order to that effect; etc etc. He knows: he is not who he has presented himself to be. Which evidences a willingness to play fast and loose with both the letter and the spirit of the law.
Not a trait we should wish either to have or to encourage in a president of the United States.
"Surely she confessed his incarnational origins"
You seem to be a time-backwards mind reader, can you also please tell me the lottery numbers of next week?
No, but given enough time he MIGHT be able to come up with the lottery numbers for last week, if they were posted on some conservative blog as part of an Obama conspiracy theory.
James it would help if you were competent enough to even comprehend what Stan in fact was saying! But in your case you are just too stupid!
Michael ! Smart one! Why if you think that Stan is a mind reader backwards would you possibly think that he can see into the future? Kind of a dumb post by you don't you think?
Cougar, interesting that you find it easy to jump on my time-directional mishap, yet do not go into the point I was making, i.e. how on Earth Stan would have any idea if, what and when Obamas grandmother would "confess" to anyone, unless he claimed to be psychic of some sort.
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii, and most recently they were confirmed by the governor of Hawaii, a Republican.
The Wall Street Journal said:
"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
Obama has not produced a real certificate, certification or convincing piece of evidence proving he was born when and where he claims. The forgery was never produced by Obama either. He has personally never offered any document up. Nothing has ever been provided for examination or discovery in a single court where it could be validated and has been properly sought. Instead we have a decorated officer being tried in a sham trial and who will no doubt be found guilty just because OBAMA will not provide the court with the same document you claim proves his birth. Why?
Dr Ron Polland has extensive credentials and expertise in examining the so called birth certificate PHOTO that was offered as evidence and concluded it is a forged instrument. You can review Mr Pollands work as he very carefully assembled it so anyone could see it. You may read and view the process here; http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/21/dr-ron-pol…
The truth is he is fighting tooth and nail to not disclose a legitimate document.
" who will no doubt be found guilty just because"
You seem to overlook the fact that LTC Lakin will be indicted regardless whether Obama is the legitimate president or not. He's disobeyed orders by his immediate superiors, that is not going to stand in the armed forces.
It is the UCMJ that requires an unlawful order be disobeyed. There is precedent in this question of orders and chain of command however that precedent isn't even being tested because it is not the issue. The issue is that LTC Lakin did his duty to investigate the lawfulness of the orders and on that basis he made the decision to disobey and is entitled to the discovery to defend himself. So it is not "indictment" that is problematic it is his being denied a defense. The UCMJ has no power to deny due process as Lind has done. She merely narrowed the case to a did you or did you not comply with these orders. That's classic however you are entitled to more than a yes or no defense. Lind just doesn't have what it takes to have the consequences resting on her shoulders. She isn't alone. There are appeals all the way to the SC anyway.
" on that basis he made the decision to disobey"
No, he signed up for duty in Afghanistan and a month later, it suddenly occurred to him "hm, maybe the president is not eligible"? Come on, even a blind man can see where that light is coming from. He obviously planned this thing from the start, in the hopes of somehow creating the desired "standing" that birthers are longing for to have "their day in court".
Besides, the orders of Lakin's immediate superior to report for duty are not illegal, even if somehow Obama's orders were. There is no point in contesting that.
If you superior orders you to scrub the floor of the shower, there is no point in asking whether the orders that caused the shower to be built were legal or not. You scrub or you're disobeying a lawful order.
Anything else is just folly propagated by people with no idea of how the military works.
You're basically saying a soldier may disobey an order to shoot if he doubts whether the gun procurement was carried out in a legal fashion. Now that's what I call legitimization of mutiny.
What is really obvious is that you and "Sarah" are trolls who've been told to go to blogs and put up talking points which have no debatable worth.
If you wish to debate any point at all let us begin by you stating what an unlawful order might be and how it might originate and who prosecutes it. Just to set this up, there really are orders that have been illegal and have been prosecuted successfully.
BTW we are'nt comparing the constitution to a procurement order are we?
Obama's birth certificate was not forged. Only two guys who would not give their real names claimed that it was forged. Dr Rand Pollard is a pseudonym and his credentials are not known. WND exposed his research in this
Quotes:
A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.
(Editor's note: WND's investigation into the certification of live birth did not include inspecting the actual document, but only asking experts to evaluate the online image. Those experts, therefore, could not "prove" the document's authenticity. The experts told WND merely that many of the forgery claims made against the image were inconclusive or falsified, leaving them no evidence that would cast doubt on the image's authenticity.)
End quotes
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag…
The McCain campaign also investigated the allegation of forgery, along with the allegation of birth in Kenya, and found both allegations false. The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate, as has the governor (a Republican). And, of course, the AG of Hawaii is a Republican, and reportedly a strong Conservative, and he has not taken any action on the claim of the birth certificate being forged.
The Certification of Live Birth is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year, and as I said, the officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it. Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying, and in another interview she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Although Obama has already shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, he has no need to show in in the Lakin trial because it is irrelevant. The issue is whether Lakin disobeyed a legal order. The order was legal because it was given by a superior officer and because the Afghanistan War (where he was ordered to go) is a legal war, having been approved by the US Congress in 2001.
He is known and has come forward to testify when justice is once again open to the people.
WND is wrong on this issue. Joseph Farah has now become aware of the real legal issue as opposed to the distraction made by pundits, half able atty's and obviously those who are guilty of the crimes associated with the fraud and treason as charged.
You are entitled to an opinion but to debate it you must accept facts as they are not as they suit your position. Agreed?
Then please define NBC and we shall match your def to mine when the SC decides it.
The SC will not decide it since no one who has standing has brought a lawsuit. McCain and Palin would have had standing, but they decided not to sue.
My definition is similar to these:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
And this: Yale Law Review wrote:: "It is well settled that “native-born” citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born. It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not. "
(Jill A. Pryor, Yale Law Review, 1988)
And this: “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition.
No one but two guys who will not give their names has claimed that Obama's birth certificate was forged. The officials in Hawaii, members of a Republican administration, have repeatedly confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate.
You obviously have not read any of the material I presented.
If you insist that senators determine the meaning of the constitution why have a court at all? You are unable to form a rational opinion and do not understand the danger of allowing changes to the law outside the amendment process. If you can understand that process you shoud reconcile it with your statements.
Only the Supreme court can interpret the meaning of NBC. It will be decided there despite political ideologies and their proponents who will stand under the law not above it or beside it.
In the highly unlikely event that the court would take the case, since the plaintiffs do no have standing, it would rule the way that the senators, the law review article and Black's Law Dictionary all ruled, and the way that the US Congress (both branches, 535 members) voted UNANIMOUSLY.
The US Supreme Court has already ruled that EVERY child born in the USA is Natural Born. And you have to be on drugs to think that that does not mean that when a person is both a citizen and Natural Born she or he is not a Natural Born Citizen. the Americans writing at about the time of the writing of the Constitution never used Natural Born to refer to parents, only to the place of birth.
Why, hasn't the SC already been debunked as being "in on the conspiracy" by the birthers anyway? There's no point in pointing to some entity's decision if you're not willing to accept it anyway if it's not in your favour.
Are you saying the SC , which has has members admittedly avoiding the issue via Elana Kagans scuttling of cases, will rule in favor of an unconstitutional POTUS ? He is after all not a NBC as he was born with dual citizenship. That point is clear yet those who call people "birthers" do not understand why a BC must be used in a court to even begin the vetting. They only see a BC and can not or will not accept the rule of law which will use that document in a way counter to their wish.
Please do not state the outcome of a SC hearing will be ignored anyway. The fact of the matter is it is the Obama progressive elite and their dupes who are in violation of the black letter of the law which SUPERCEDES any and all things the government would do and that includes the SC. The constitution is the peoples law and it is their right and duty to uphold it and defend it. What would happen if,and that is a really big if, the SC did rule against the law would set the people into a state of legal revolt against a federal usurpation or coup as it would be properly defined. You wouldn't want that .
Since the meaning of Natural Born Citizen is exactly that the two senators said,and what Yale Law Review said, and what Black's Law Dictionary said, the Supreme Court would rule that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, if it ever took the case.
Dual Citizenship has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status, anymore than the citizenship of a father does. Thomas Jefferson WAS a dual national at the time that he was president, having been voted a FULL (not honorary) citizen of France by the French National Assembly. Both James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were thought to have been dual nationals of Britain when they were born.
More importantly, the writers of the Constitution believed with Blackstone that a person could have only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born.
In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:
"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
So the SC would find that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, as the Electoral College has already (despite a letter campaign by birthers adn two-fers to convince the members to change their votes–which no one did), and as the US Congress did UNANIMOUSLY.
Well then I guess we only need two senators and a yale grad to flesh out law for our nation then. Look at how much money we would save.
Blackstone makes no reference to what a NBCitizen might be. Common law does not define only a "natural born SUBJECT" . http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents…
If you would relate a scenario such as is documented below it might hold some water. http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/g…
When great and extraordinary powers are vested in any man, or body of men, which in their exercise, may operate to the oppression of the people, it is of high importance that powerful checks should be formed to prevent the abuse of it. http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index….
As books of the sort were very expensive at the time it must be of note that there were several of Vattels which have known uses, locations today and which are referenced as having been loaned during the period.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/03/jefferson-…
The American leaders at the time of the Constitution read a lot of books besides Vattel's.
The issue is not the meaning of Natural Born Subject. It is the meaning of Natural Born. At the time that the Constitution was written that always referred to the place of birth, not to the parents. NO quotation can be found from any AMERICAN writing at the time that used Natural Born to refer to the parents of a citizen or of a subject.
Many of the leaders of America at the time of the writing of the Constitution had signed their names to this statement in the Declaration. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." Your position implies that they had changed their minds and that they really held that the US-born children of US citizens were superior to and not created equal to the US-born children of foreigners.
There is no evidence for this, and surely the writers of the Constitution would have told us if they had changed their minds. Since there is no evidence, the effect of the Natural Born Citizen phrase is that it excludes (1) Foreigners, since the president must be a citizen; and (2) Naturalized citizens, since the president must be Natural Born. But there is no evidence that it excludes the US-born children of foreigners.
Further legal action is now before the Supreme Court and will be answered Nov 3. That case can be reviewed through Atty Mario Apuzzo's website established for educational purposes and very easily read and understood. Feel free to follow the research and current pending case document which outlines the issue properly. The entire issue as handled outside the legal world is being misrepresented and that is just the way the media confuses the public. Shameful but accurate. http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/09/petition-for-wr…
When courts in 77 cases rule that the plaintiffs do not have standing, that means there is really good odds that in the 78th case the plaintiffs will be ruled not to have standing also.
When the 77th victim of an unlawful act is counted, would you be the 78th or try to hide by making a deal?
Here is the scenario as is outlined by the military who actually defend the constitution,
In short, a birth certificate would only prove one of two things:
1) Barack Hussein Obama (Sr) is his bloodline birth father and Barack Jr. was thereby a “dual citizen” rather than natural born citizen at birth. In this case, Obama fails constitutional requirements.
2) Barack Hussein Obama (Sr) is NOT his stated birth father on the birth records, in which case Obama has committed the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people and belongs in prison rather than the White House. http://standupamericaus.com/ltc-lakin-chooses-new…
Obama has published his official birth certificate, and the officials have confirmed the fact that he was born in Hawaii twice, and so has the governor.
Since the COLB is a certified copy of the document in the files, which is the original birth certificate, the original would not show anything different than what appears on the original, that Obama Senior is his father.
LOL. bogus talking points. The only proof needed will be marked as evidence so it may be tested for legitimacy. I am waiting patiently for that day when a document is presented legally. No photos, JPEGs, now you see it now you don't disclosures or interested parties claiming I saw it. We all know what is going on here and it is a catch me if you can act. If there is one thing I am dead certain of it is that Obama is not going to sit four years without facing the owners of the constitution and granting them their due.
Obama is the first and only US president to have shown his birth certificate. He did it by posting it on the Web and showing it to two organizations, FactCheck and Politifact. The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the FACTS on the birth certificate–that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
Obama's election was concluded by the Electoral College without a single member changing her or his vote despite a campaign by birthers and two-fers to encourage them to change their votes. Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress, without a single member voting against despite a campaign by birthers and two-fers to encourage them to change their votes.
Your claim is preposterous that Obama is the first to show his BC. It is also preposterous to claim that what was posted was a BC.
No official from HI has confirmed any facts from his BC. They refuse to confirm what was displayed is an official HI document. Where do you get this stuff? Show me the source. I can save you the frustration as I am very well informed and have all the correspondence ever made concerning the HI DoH and Gov. Lingle. It is also here ; http://www.thepostemail.com/
ellen, the electoral college is not charged by law to vet a candidate. A few states require proof and of those none vetted lawfully and are under investigation at this time. As for the congress, there is video proof of what transpired. Dick Cheney actually did not even ask for any objections as Pelosi violated the order of the chamber by creating a disturbance. It is known there were objections which were ready. The video records one.
It is a fact that he was the first to show his BC to the public, and what was posted is the official birth certificate.
The officials in Hawaii DID confirm the facts on the birth certificate.
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii;
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states could not be filed in Hawaii. Hawaii would not file a foreign birth certificate. That was proof of birth in some foreign place, not Hawaii, and there was no reason to file that document in Hawaii. However, as you can see from the first citation, Obama’s birth certificate—the official Certification of Live Birth—says clearly that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the DOH to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of the witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
Re your claim that Cheney did not ask for objections. That is because they have a standard procedure in which if you intend to object, you register your intent to object beforehand. Your assertion is, of course, absurd because IF ANYONE HAD PLANNED TO OBJECT AND WAS PASSED OVER BY CHENEY THEN THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE TOLD THE PRESS ABOUT IT.
The Electoral College is not charged with 'vetting,' no one is. However, the members of the Electoral College have the right to vote the way that they chose. There is nothing in the constitution that says that they must vote the way that the general election in their districts went. If you look up Electoral College, you will find that fairly frequently in previous elections one or two electors voted OTHER than the way that their districts went.
That is what birthers and two-fers tried to have happen in this case with a campaign of contacting the electors and telling them about their allegations about Obama not being a Natural born Citizen. And guess what happened? Not one of them changed. Obama won 365 Electoral Votes in November, and he received 365 votes from the electors.
You are adept at believing things as fact that do not exist.
I will say this, Lingle LIED, misled and will pay a heavy price in the end. Lingle has no authority to claim Obama was even Obama since he is legally Barry to this day. You will never get it that being fed BS the taste alone ought to make you spit it out not swallow it.
This will get into a court despite the manipulations, bribes and dupes. Until then I will continue pointing the way to liberty through truth and justice. You are free to continue to support the communist overthrow until your usefulness peters out or they finally get rounded up and put behind bars for violating the US Codes.
This is an excellent example of why Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers CRAZY.
So Lingle now takes the place of every court in the nation? Calling names is childish. I'm sorry but you have been a lousy debate participant in every topic simply because you hold out things to be factual without a shred of evidence. You alter quotes to suit your agenda too. Everything you claim is distorted even when there is no need to distort it. Why? Can't you read a sentence and comprehend the meaning as written without altering it?
(1) Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it have been confirmed by the officials and by the governor of Hawaii, and his Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii. And, there is a witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii and writing home about it.
(2) There is no proof or even a realistic possibility (given the expense and risk of the trip) that Obama was born in Kenya. That is a made-up story by birther sites, just as they made up the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya–when she repeatedly said that he was born in HAWAII.
The Wall Street Journal put (1) and (2) together. It said:
"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
Registering an objection? Just a moment while I check my crystal ball for an upcoming event I wish to object to so I may register.
You are getting desperate.
When a Congressman knows of an upcoming voice vote whether to approve something, he knows that he either will support the motion or object. When he plans to object, he goes to the right office and signs a paper saying that he plans to object. That was the procedure.
Also, you have ignored the fact that IF one of the congressmen had planned to vote against Obama and was unable to do so because of Cheney not hearing the shouted "NO,' he or she could have gone to the press and said "I planned to vote against Obama, but I wasn't allowed to." Not one congressman did that.
So the fact that the US Congress–all 535 members–voted UNANIMOUSLY to confirm Obama still stands.
Again, the issue is not the BC but to bring to court the peoples petition for redress since congress refuses to answer. Of those cases there is one on the docket of the SC scheduled for 11-3-10 to be answered. An interesting date for them to choose isn't it? In all it is summed up like this, the constitution does not belong to the government. It is the peoples law which the government must obey. It is not obeying it, refuses to hear petitions for redress, openly violates states rights and individual rights and has committed treason in a serious way by sending armed troops into a sovereign state and dismissed local law enforcement and state laws on orders from Obama. You would be wise to stay abreast of this mans actions.
Re: "Of those cases there is one on the docket of the SC scheduled for 11-3-10 to be answered. "
Sure, the plaintiffs can keep on bringing cases and appealing, but this does not mean that the Supreme Court will take the case. The issue in the case that is being appealed is, by the way, not whether Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. It is whether the lower level court was right in its action in throwing out the case for lack of standing.
Ellen wrong!
Ellen is nothing more than a bott by James McPherson!
Hot Couger, Ellen is selling. I'm not buying but neither can I determine from from Ellen's post what she knows or actually believes. A Pen seems to be on
very solid ground. Stanley Ann had to be pregnant to be Obama's mother but I have seen no evidence that she was. That does not say she wasn't but did she consult a doctor during her pregnancy? If she did is there anyone now living that can testify that she was pregnant. There are questions about Obama's origins that are not answered by flat statements. I'm fairly certain that you have seen much, if not all, the information I have seen and there are areas where if A is true then B is false but at this point we don't know for sure which is right. What is evident is that there is not sufficient reason for Obama not to let the country see his record.
Also Ellen has used the term, legal orders, on a number of occasions yet I am sure she is aware that the question is not about the existence of the order but or the legality of the order, which is what LTC Lakin has been asking. I'm sure she also understands that our lack of standing before the court is capricious and arbitrary, not according to law. Yep, Shes selling but I aint buying.
Re: "Is there anyone now living that can testify that she was pregnant. (?)"
Is there anyone now living that can testify that your mother was pregnant?
The OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii shows that she gave birth on August 4, 1961. It is normal for women who have given birth to have been pregnant before giving birth–but perhaps you know of some exceptions.
A legal order is given by a superior officer and is not actually illegal. An actual illegal order would be along the lines: "Burn the village, kill everyone and rape the women." That is an illegal order. Anything else, such as "mop up the floor," or "peal the potatoes" or "go to Afghanistan" is a legal order. "Go to Afghanistan is particularly legal because the Afghanistan War was approved by Congress in 2001."
Re: 'our lack of standing before the court is capricious and arbitrary, not according to law. "
Answer. How wrong you are. When in 66 or so cases the courts have always ruled that the plaintiffs lack standing in this case, it is highly likely that the law really says that the plaintiffs lack standing. If you do not like it, change the law. Maybe when the Republicans take charge they might want to change the law (probably not, if they did, the law could be used against the next Republican president).
Great response, Ellen–thank you.
"Is there anyone now living that can testify that your mother was pregnant?"
I'd extend that to "is there anyone now living who can testify that your great-great-grandmother was pregnant?". If not, poor Whit might not be a US citizen if he can't even prove his great-grandmother was natural-born, so neither was his grandmother, mother and finally himself.
It's the next extension of the birther folly: "even if it is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu and is – by whatever standard – a natural-born citizen – still we need proof that the person claiming to be Barack Hussein Obama is indeed that same natural-born citizen Barack Hussein Obama who we've verified the birth certificate for".
See, it never ends. They'll just claim that BHO is really somebody entirely different who has simply taken the role of the real BHO. And if someone proves that he is really the child of BHO sen., they'll doubt whether BHO sen. was really the BHO sen. from the documents. And so on.
That's the whole point of a conspiracy theory or conspiracy religion, you can extend it infinitely in any direction, even without invoking the dreaded "the whole world, minus a few thousand people, is in on the conspiracy" angle.
This is a good example of why Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy.
What is the theory here? That some evil doer stole a baby and switched him at birth to be placed with a teenage mother and African father so that he could become president of the United States and destroy the world?
Ellen is right, except that this is even more crazy than the previous insanity.
If Creek sneakers 2 you are so intellegent then tell us exactly who Obama's father is in fact?
No Ellen in fact you & James McPherson are crazy!
Once your Messiah is removed from office in disgrace i am sure you will be claiming he was wronged!
Dream on.
Ellen is right, you guys are off the deep end. You need to put on your foil hats, because the one world order is coming to get you with their black helicopters. You guys are clowns, really. And President Obama will be re-elected. He will appoint 1-2 more Justices to the SCOTUS, health care will become more entrenched in our society and people will see that it benefits the middle class.
Guys, from 1993-2000 we had a booming economy, no wars and high employment, and a surplus. What did we do as a country, we elected that moron G W Bush. Eight years later we had a destroyed economy, two wars, a giant tax break for the rich (not sure why Republicans making a middle class income are so anxious to transfer their wealth to the rich), and a giant deficit. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Now that we are slowly turning back around the economy, why put back into office the very idiots who screwed it up in the first place.
Re: "to original legal meanings. "
No problem. The original legal meaning was "born in the country."
Wrong. Check Apuzzo's research, and D'Onofrio's. Blackstone is not as relevant as Vattel. It's obvious from various quoted sources that Vattel's perspective was what the Founding Fathers were thinking of when they called for the POTUS to be a 'natural born' citizen. Just being born in the country would have allowed for potential dual allegiances. That was precisely the point that they were making, when they set the POTUS bar higher than any other federal office,
The framers did not worry about dual citizenship because they believed, with Blackstone, that a person could have only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born.
James Madison put it this way: "It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
What applies in the United States? PLACE.
And, by the way, Thomas Jefferson was a dual national at the time that he was president, having been granted full citizenship rights by the French revolutionary National Assembly (full rights including voting rights and the right to run for office in France). There are some reports that James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were dual nationals at birth.
The writers of the Constitution set the bar higher in one way only. All other offices are open to any kind of a US citizen. The presidency excludes naturalized citizens. But that is all that it excludes. It does not exclude US-born children of foreigners from growing up and becoming president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2E65uFHM The best proof I've seen yet. AGAINST!!
NO MATTER HOW MANY VALID POINTS ARE MADE; HOW MUCH WE HAVE THE LAW OF THE LAND AND THE CONSTITUTION ON OUR SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT; THE FACT IS NO INVESTIGATION WILL BE MADE, EVER. It does not matter who is in charge, the democ (rats), the repubes. Its not going to happen. It would upset the whole power structure. That is as long it is allowed to exist! If WE THE PEOPLE really rose up, united, (with the support of our military) then maybe!? Until then if ever, just sit down and be quiet. WE/ YOU really have to get serious about this issue. It will hurt!, it will hurt many. It will upset our domestic tranquility but did it not when the original Patriots rose up against the English occupation. Only this time it would require much more sacrifice because we have let this go to far with our combined complacency!!! But if we don't, the WE THE PEOPLE ARE LOST and there will never be a dream again like this USA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD where people are free of tyranny/ tyrants and the individuals freedoms rule. W A K E U P A M E R I C A, its not to late, yet.
"HOW MUCH WE HAVE THE LAW OF THE LAND AND THE CONSTITUTION ON OUR SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT"
You mean "how much" in, like, "zero"? And calling for a military coup d'état might qualify *you* as the traitor, not Obama.
Where were your ALL CAPS, 911Patriot, when Bush and Cheney were detaining and torturing US citizens and trashing the constitution?
Go back to your basement and keep eating your cheetos.
- A 9/11 survivor.
Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly are great when it comes to reporting on the real news. But, because of a Saudi being part owner of Fox, they shy away from the birth question. "standing" occurs when a plaintiff can be injured by the actions of the defendant. If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he is a usurper. Does that not cause injury to all Americans? Obama, if using an office to which he is not entitled, has caused tremendous deficits, loss of jobs, a "healthcare" system which is actually an affirmative action law, has caused injury to millions of American citizens. We all have "standing" A judge dismissed a case because it had been "twittered and massaged". What kind of reason is that to dismiss a case? This judge actually set a precedent. Using that kind of reasoning, anyone who has had their case discussed on the internet or newspapers could have their case dismissed.
There are many judges and politicians in Obama's pocket. This coup has been planned for years.
If the American people don't reclaim their country in the coming elections, we had all better be prepared to use our second amendment right. Oh, wait, Hillary Clinton signed a Small Arms Agreement at the UN, and Obama wants control of all gun laws. Real American citizens must use their votes to kick the radicals out of Washington. Oh, wait. Soros has organized the Secretaries of State of the various states, who oversee the counting of votes. It would seem the only solution is for each state to declare its independence from the union and secede. Any laws then emanating from Washington can then be ignored by each sovereign state.
"If the American people don't reclaim their country in the coming elections, we had all better be prepared to use our second amendment right."
So are you saying that if your side loses again in the elections, you should resort to violence? By the way, gun laws have eased, not tightened, under Obama. Of course you might have to rely on something other than Fox News to have read or seen that.
And since "red states" tend to get more government aid than their residents pay in taxes while "blue states" tend to pay more than they get, as a resident of a blue state I'm all in favor of having those freeloading red states secede. But it won't happen–they can't afford it.
James trust me the red states can do just fine on their own! It is the blue states that are sucking this country dry!
Communist like you James are sick!
Wrong, as usual: http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.ht…
Hey Cougar, don't let FACTS get in your way. The states that pay more to the federal government than they receive in benefits are California, New York, Illinois, primarily blue states. The states that take more from the federal government than the contribute are all red and southern states, the poorer states, like Mississippi and Alabama.
Hey have your own opinion, but at least look up facts before you spout your nutcase rightwing nonesense.
"A judge dismissed a case because it had been "twittered and massaged"."
That's just another one of the things you birthers simply make up. Like the alleged judge quote "I can't allow it because it would be embarrassing to Obama" in the Lakin case.
There's no such reason for dismissal and there was no dismissal with this reason.
More ammunition on the side of those that believe that he needs to release all his hidden records of birth and college transcripts plus health records. He wasn't even scrutinized to the degree that Sen. McCain was which is unbelievable and shows that with the advent of the Tea Party Patriots our struggle to bring accountability to the United States of America is only beginning with this Fall election. We need to make both lackluster political parties step up to the plate and become completely honest and forthcoming from this time forward. This starts at the local city,county, state, and federal levels of governance, for without total and complete transparency we will never straighten out the mess that we are in. Enlighten yourselves of each and every candidate and issue before you vote. Dave S.
"He wasn't even scrutinized to the degree that Sen. McCain was"? Do you really believe FBI and CIA were soundly asleep when they checked all potential presidential candidates? Or do you allude they're "in on the conspiracy" as well, along with Congress, Doms and Reps and, oh, just about everyone else on this planet?
No you are wrong Ellen!
Ellen is James McPherson's Bott!
Jeez, who ARE you people? It's time to get over it. Obama is the president. The President of the United States.
Caleb – where the f*ck's your official, long-form birth certificate and it's corroborating DNA evidence, from you, your "mother" and your so-called "father"? You're just an illegal posing as a U.S. citizen until you can present all that evidence, matched up with your SS#, on billboards across the country for all honest Americans to verify.
Congratulations on reaching a new low.
Quite a feat, here, eh?
whatever you want to call it, this is not journalism.
All anti-Obama commenters: please submit YOUR certification that you are U.S. Citizens. a PDF file would do nicely.
Nice idea, but good luck with that–most of the most obnoxious folks here are too cowardly to even use their names.
Douche.
See what I mean?
hahaha! you're all nuts. wtf!
I concur
Nutcase
Do you people ever look in the mirror and wonder if you're nuts?
This page has gone viral not just in the US but internationally and people are laughing themselves sick at how dumb we Americans can be. And they're right.
How the hell do you expect sane conservatives to be able to make a case when all anyone has to do is point to this page?
I say, this makes me want to go around acting out terrible vengeance for crimes against critical thinking. That being said, I did not vote for Obama, but that does not mean he is any less our president.
You people are what undermines this country, you point fingers and develop theory's and yet you are the ones who are causing stupidity to flourish. Be more of a patriot, stand up for you're country, dont become sheeple and spit on the very foundation of what makes us american.
Right on Bionicmoses. We need to defend our country. If the leader of the free world is no longer a citizen of this great nation what does that mean for the future of the nation? Nothing good. No UN-dominated world to erode our sovereignty. We must stop it. DNA testing now! Prove that he is not a citizen. He is an illegal alien.
stupidity is an american institution! did you ever wonder why we're falling behind every industrialized nation when it comes to education? those same corporations are flooding money into our elections so that they get to pick the legislators so those same guys can legislate the USA into being more and more stupid everyday. i feel stupid just trying to explain to most of the dumb@sses that they're stupid for swimming against the tide.
I've got to agree- while I may be progressive, I welcome a sane conservative POV, as the marketplace of ideas is that much the better for the additional input. This country does best when various ideas compete and we distill the solutions from a vigorous debate from all sides. But these people are dangerously nuts and hopelessly delusional. The sane conservatives need to regain control of their message and their party ASAP before they completely lose control of it. Acting like 3 year olds with chronic diaper rash and refusing to accept reality just because things didn't turn out the way you wanted them to is no way participate in our democracy- it's nothing more than a collective temper tantrum…
I've seen the birth certificate. Can't believe you guys missed it – it was all over the interwebs and tubes.
OMG this country is being taken over by IDIOTS! Do yourselves, perform an autopsy on Palin to see what holds her ears apart as it surely is not a brain! I see that this comment is from my local news channel, of course FAUX news would give this idiotic nonsense a platform.
This is a long overdue step. The fraud perpetrated on the American people is rampant.
The people deserve to know. He is not a citizen. He is an alien. From outer space.
He's admitted as much himself.
"I was actually born on Krypton and sent by my father Jor-El to save the planet Earth." — Kal-El "Barack Hussein" Obama, 16 October 2008
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
You, sir, are insane, as are your lemmings. $245 billion lay in corporate accounts being used to buy back stock to boost their share values perhaps by 10% while unemployment skyrockets. With unemployment up to an estimated 11.5 million and a government run by banking and corporate lobbyists, you distract from the fact that that $245 billion could produce 5 million taxpaying jobs, which would, of course, put a dent in the deficit or, even better, provide enough ballast to create infrastructure jobs which would, in turn, create more downline jobs in the steel-making, concrete making industries – presumably for American rather than Chinese jobs. Instead, you have just created another insane distraction for the right-wing sheep who appear to favor the starvation of the working poor and the middle class. Just how big a die-off of the American population and the future of this country as a first world nation do you require in order to produce this idiocy?
I'm pretty sure that Obama's real biological father is Thomas Jefferson who, as we know, also fathered another black child. Some of Benjamin Franklin's early research was in cryogenics, and it is conceivable that Sally Hemmings, the mother of Thomas Jefferson's other black child, assisted Franklin in getting sperm sample from Jefferson.
You people, who actually BELIEVE that Obama is not a citizen, you're hatred of election has made you INSANE.
You people really are insane. You can't stand the fact that there's a black man in the White House, so you concoct the most outrageous delusionary tales to convince yourselves he doesn't belong there.
The American People have spoken. We won. You lost. Get over it.
This is one of the funniest articles ever and the comments are hilarious as well. What planet do you people live on?
ROFLMAO – you people need to get back on your meds.
I find it hard to believe how many full-blown idiots there are in America these days. Racist much?
Hehe, you guys put the nut in nutty that is for sure! It's almost like you birthers (DNA'ers now I guess…) don't even realize how silly and foolish you guys look.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
you people are all batsh!t crazy- full blown, round the bend, loony tunes insane. it absolutely frightens me that there are this many people in our country that are so completely and hopelessly divorced from reality. I'm going to sink all my spare cash into buying stock in ALCOA and Reynolds Wrap, because you idiots must go through it by the truckload…
no Joe, we don't talk down to you because we're "elitist" but because you people are off the rails delusional and dumber than a box of rocks. BTW, it's not just "our" scientific method- it's objective reality and the fact that you see it as 'theirs" speaks volumes about how completely nuts you are. It's not just pro Obama posters, it's pro reality- anti tinfoil hat posters of all political persuasions who are mocking and ridiculing you fruit loops, conservatives who are embarrassed by your idiocy as well as progressives…
Great illustration of the inability of some to enage in anything other than pro-Obama prostrations. They get to define objective reality. If so, than there should be no objection to such an objective pursuit as DNA testing.
The people of America — the real human people — in the Tea Party are sick and tired on this fraud against us.
what part of "It's not just pro Obama posters" did you miss? what part of "it's not just "our" scientific method" did you miss? You're so batsh!t crazy and delusional you can't even read a simple post without changing it in your head to make it say what you want it to- thanks for the great illustration of just how nuts you people really are…
All this angry name-calling and you can provide any reason why the American people should not demand DNA testing. You want to use (eu)genetics and your science for embryonic stem cell research but you won't support it to show that BHO is not who, or what, he claims to be.
sigh, you really are insane. one more time for the thick headed- IT'S NOT MY SCIENCE! it's just plain old science, you anti intellectual goof. How on earth do you know what my position on embryonic stem cell research is- more of your "facts"? The reason not to pursue this idiocy is self evident- there's not even the smallest bit of truth or evidence to do so other than your fevered imaginations. How about we lock you up until you can prove who and what you claim to be- unless of course you can provide any reason why we shouldn't. ROFL…
How's this then: I didn't vote for Obama. I didn't help elect him – and he WAS elected, unlike the previous office-holder. In this case, I have to agree with the "elitists" you're referring to (read: "elitist" apparently means educated and well-informed citizen): you lost. Get over it.
Objective reality is not something people get to define – that's what it's called OBJECTIVE reality and not SUBJECTIVE reality. These words have two different meanings: opposite meanings, in fact. That being said, it takes a special kind of stupid to believe that anything coming out of Tea Party mouthpieces is being brought to public attention with the public's best interests at heart – do some research. I understand that learning facts is against the Tea Party belief system, but if you are a "real human person" you should be doing this anyway without being told it's necessary by "elitists," and if you can't do the research yourself, well, that's your problem and not the country's.
WAKE UP AMERICA ALL THE EVEDINCE PROVES MAOBAMA IS NOT HUMANE HES AN ALIAN FROM TEH PLANET HXMQVPLP!!!!1!!
this is like kindergarten kiddies after sniffing glue.
no wonder so many people in the world think all tea partiers are plain stupid.
i mean, really? dna?
An excellent summary of the Great Pretender. I would add, however, that there is a third possibility for Husein's reluctance to release his DNA – BHO is not human. He is actually a member of the lizard-like Aemahai species from the planet Jupiter. The mainstream press has suppressed this, but if you search the google for lizard and obama, you will find a picture of Obama with HIS TAIL!
Joe, it's not difficult to talk down to people who have the brains of a titmouse.
Dalton, you're being unfair. Bad enough that the titmouse has such an unfortunate name–now you're insulting its intelligence?
Thank God — our Christian God and Savior — for the good work of human people at Western Journalism who have the courage to call for DNA testing on BHO. He's not a citizen.
You people are truly insane. Has any of you even managed to complete high school? Do you have even the most remote understanding of the citizenship process in this country, or spent any time reading the laws through which Obama gained US citizenship? Those would be the same laws that guaranteed YOU were a citizen of this country. Apparently, learning what the law actually says requires too much effort from you yokels.
We get to vote … & we do vote. Tea Party to bring back America!
Thank God, the manly god of the Old Testament, not your wimpy Jesus Bible God, that we have God fearing people like Jose here to tell the TRUTH!
And yes, this means all y'all Christians have to convert to Judaism or you're a wimp.
If Obama were Jewish you'd know who his mama is, that's for dang sure!
Why does anyone care? The federal government has been trampling over and ignoring the Constitution since before Obama was born. How does it come as any surprise that they're still doing it now?
Have none of you thought that maybe just maybe if it's true he isn't eligible that Hillary or McCain would not have brought it up? Hillary would have tore that to shreds and won the primary and the general election. But IF for some reason she, her staff, President Bill, the FEC and every Democrat in congress CONSPIRED to elect Obama, do you really think McCain and the GOP would have not mentioned it? Really? DO you realize how many people would need to be in on this?
The fact is that the State of Hawaii certified his birth and he provided all necessary proof to the FEC. He ran and won the ultimate American dream some people feel they need to drag him down.
We want to protect America and the Christian values on which it was founded.
Now we want to use your science to prove that he is not a citizen and it is obejctionable.
Actually, this country was founded by people who weren't Christians. Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote the Constitution, was a deist.
You are all a bunch of mouth-breathing, backwards morons who have your heads in the sand. Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.
Because we want BHO to prove his citizenship we are bigots, eh?
That sounds like elitism.
I thought you guys didn't believe in science?
We believe in our Christian God and Savior. If he permits use of a tool to show that BHO is not a citizen, that is his will. It is self-apparent. We can show he is not a citizen using DNA testing. Show that BHO is an alien. God Bless the USA and keep us safe!
What will happen if – The Birth certification is correct.
Obamas DNA checks out that he is real.
What will you guys do or think next?
What will it take for you guys to except the fact that he is an natural born American? anything? What? Tell me?
after all that is done, then they will drink their tasty kool'aid. collectively.
You are joking right? If not, you are insane.
The Republican Governor of Hawaii has said that the birth certificate is authentic & that President Obama was born in Hawaii.
Is it your point to call other Republican Governors liars? If not your point, you have to admit that is what you are saying. With that in mind, what exactly are you expecting?
We are not exploring all the possibilities of this…and the lack of creativity is troubling. Even IF there was a person born in Hawaii in 1961 named Barack Obama and even IF the DNA evidence confirms that the President is that person; it does not necessarily follow that that person is now one of the lizard people. There was a documentary on ABC called "V" that explains it all. If ABC is covering the lizard invasion, why isn't Fox? Makes you wonder…or are the lizard people controlling Fox?
I think this is a waste of time. It seems clear Obama is American by birth time to move on to real issues
Bat. Shit. Crazy.
This is about the most idiotic nutty thing I've read in the past week. Are you people for real? This is a joke isn't it?
lol
what an idiotic article,
sorry – cant stop laughing at how badly written this article is, with no sense of grammar, or verbiage.
even worse, you make no compelling points, produce no evidence, and generally failed in your quest for justification for writing it.
in other words
FAIL
lol
dumbass
What a bunch of horse hockey.
Bunch of racists! You should all be ashamed of yourselves!
Is this a joke website?
This is fun. I can't tell who is more bats••t crazy, the author or you commenters.
No thinking human being with an IQ over 35 would address this demand in any serious manner; it is so preposterous as to be schizoid in its uncontrolled paranoia.
You have a black, Democratic President. Get over it and go polish your gun racks, you pear-shaped losers.
REALLY can't stand it that a black man is President, can you?
Who do you think elected him? If EVERY black and hispanic voted for Obama and no one else did he would have about 23% of the popular vote. Of course we know that Whites vote disproportionately higher in terms of population percentage so it's kind of obvious that White votes for Obama gave him his majority. It's time to put away the racist finger pointing. People are disappointed with Obama because he misrepresented himself when campaigning, not because he's black. He's not post-racial, he's not bi-partisan, and he's not pro-free market, all of which were descriptions that he embraced on the campaign trail. Do you not see the path he's taking us down? Have you not seen the statistics that show we're headed for ANOTHER recession? Do you not see that other countries act with impunity despite what Obama wants? No, all YOU see is Obama's skin color. The rest of us haven't paid it much mind – our attention is on the ruin he has brought on our country.
Thank God for the brave Christian journalists & patriots who are exposing BHO for the fraud that he is. A fraud that has been perpetrated on all of America. BHO is not a citizen. He is an alien. From outer space. DNA testing can prove that.
This is a great Onion article! Wait …. this isn't the Onion?
You dillweeds are simply the dumbest fucking morons on the planet. I am surprised you inbreds can tie your shoes.
I would like to see every one of you liars and bukkshit artists turn over your dna and birth certificates. Surely people as ignorant and unpatriotic as you deserve to have to show your "papers" as well. Fucking hicks.
Oh my motherfuckin' god, this is priceless!
What a bunch of paranoid morons you guys are! You've definitely overtaken so-called Bush Derangement by leaps and bounds!
LO fuckin' L!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertifi…
This is a non-issue folks. The birth of The Beast was announced in both of Honolulu's daily newspapers. Why doesn't Hawaii birth certificates have a raised seal? Any way, with so many real problems in our country if this is what we are expending energy on then we are doing ourselves a great disfavor. Let's move on to concentrate on winning the Afghan-Pak War, managing migrant farm immigrants, reforming health care once more, tackling runaway banks, punching Wall Street in the gonads once more, protecting Social Security and kicking Democraps out of Washington.
Pretty funny that on that laundry list of things you want to accomplish, Republicans don't have a plan for any of it.
The author of this article and anyone who believes even a letter of it are completely batshit insane and are the sole reasons why intelligent political discourse doesn't exist anymore.
Congratulations dumbasses, one more article closer to a real life Idiocracy.
Ow! My Balls!
dude, please switch to homegrown maryJane because that mexican stuff you keep buying over there out west is spiked with some other Sh*T. who the hell cares if he was born in the moon, go buy some good weed, smoke it, and you'll see how you'll be thinking more logically.
Sure is herp derp in here
Don't worry, sir. We're from the Internet.
The grand irony about you patriotic all-American Birthers is that you get your information from Fox News…which was founded by an Australian and whose second-largest shareholder is a Saudi prince.
Barack Obama is the President of the United States. Allow those words to sting your souls.
That's some weapons-grade crazy right there, and proof that literally nothing would satisfy the quixotic, nonsensical birthers. Tell you what – look at Stanley Ann Dunham's dad and the President and tell me they aren't related.
You people are insane.
You are an idiot if you think saying "Vital Records" means that Obama was adopted. Everyone says their birth certificate contains their vital records, including the name and birthdate and parents. Those details on the certificate are the records.
Right. Plus, have you ever heard anyone say "his vital record"?
Any of you get a sense that everyone is so angry someone they don't like was voted into office, they're all obsessing about nonsense? Maybe you should.
Hellooooo crazies.
You guys do realize that his mother is an American citizen right? So if you traced his DNA back to his American born mother you don't really have much of a case really. If you are trying to prove that he was born in another country there really is no hard evidence that would hold up in a Federal Court.
Evidence goes both ways. There has pretty much been more evidence shown that he was born in the US rather than him being born outside of the US. Pushing the details aside of how long he was inside the US, his age, SSN, etc there really is no hard proof showing that he was born outside of this country.
Now before some go off calling me a liberal and etc, trust me when I say I am not. I'm a tried and true moderate and I like to focus on more important issue rather than the claim that he was born outside of the US. You make claims under various provisions under the US constitution which may make him unable to serve. Well, hey hey, I can find other ones that says he can. Simple fact is that the US Constitution doesn't have specific definition on what qualifies a US citizen. Seriously. Technically, if someone wanted to really push it, the Governator could run for President despite the fact that he is not a US citizen. Cause even though the Constitution states that to be eligable you have to be a Natural Born Citizen the loophole within the Constitution doesn't have a specific criteria as to what a citizen is or if it qualifies as natural born.
Yeah, it might be as plain as day, but you get a great constitutional lawyer to argue it and he'll probably say the same thing I said.
Defined citizenship is resided in the powers of the States in terms of birth as long as it does not ignore the 14th Amendment.
Despite all that crap I mentioned above, like I said, still no hard evidence saying that he wasn't born in this country.
Maybe we should just focus on all the decisions he's making rather grabbing our torches and pitchforks cause, I promise you this, you'll spend more of your time during his presidency trying to prove he wasn't born in this country than actually being able to prove it.
Good luck anyway and let me know how that works out in 2 to 6 years.
Do you wake up in the morning and wonder "why am I such an idiot"? Just curious.
you. are. insane.
Wow. I feel sorry that I clicked this link. I would hope you wouldn't mistake the traffic you get to this page as validation for the point of view you are espousing. And your web traffic will probably be pretty good with such a novel perception of reality you seem to have. And that's what this is about. The truth is secondary to having a product for people to consume. What you've written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent missive were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on the web is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I wish that it physically hurt to be as dumb as you are.
WOW.
I haven't seen this much idiocy since the 2008 Republican convention.
Oh my God. Seriously, you inbred hillbilly chimps. I get it, a black devil's in the White House. This makes you uncomfortable.
Funny how the first dark Prez has to put up with this malarkey.
you guys are idiots who let partisanship cloud your judgment. no, i'm not a democrat. i believe there are still good politicians on both the left and the right, but both parties in order to take or hold control of the government have bastardized the political process and use extreme talk from radio and the internet as sounding boards and echo chambers to drive wedges into the public discourse. instead of holding the president (whether obama or bush, or whoever holds office at the time) accountable to his policy decisions, we get instead "not a natural citizen" or "dodged military service"… accounts that never hold up under scrutiny, but don't have to. the whisper campaign against mccain that asked if potential voters would find mccain acceptable if they knew he had an illegitimate black child are evidence of political attacks (in that case, unfortunately against their own) that serve only to drive rumor and not ability.
sometimes i like obama, and sometimes i'm disappointed in his decisions, and i can say the same for bush. but just like someone crying UFOS TOOK DOWN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, or VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM, or whatever sky is falling now crap that people say, you can't just parrot rumors and demand them to be true by force of will, you should always demand that the accuser deliver something more definitive as proof. don't just follow the talking points, and walk lockstep with your party platform. the two parties want to you unquestioning.
Haha. And don't forget to put the foil on your head at night so that the alien space people cannot get into your brain and put in socialist thoughts. Crazy knows no bounds in today's right wing world!!!
Wow. Just wow. What color is the sky in your world?
GET A LLIFE HILLBILLIES.
He already holds the office. Period.
If, on January 20, 2013, ten seconds after being inaugurated into his second term as President, before giving his inauguration speech, he whips out the 'true' Kenyan birth certificate and proclaims to the world "FOOLED ALL YA'ALL, biatchES!" guess what?
He's still farking President of the United States. He's not automatically removed from office. Every piece of legislation he signed into law isn't automatically null and void. He holds office by the power of his Oath. He has to be impeached, but that doesn't nullify one single act as President..
Dumbasses.
I stopped reading after "Barack Hussein Obama II."
I am amazed that so many people are whacked out about nothing. Even the Republicans in Hawaii are tired of this. You cannot get a copy of a birth certificate in Hawaii any more than you can get a copy of a police report in Virginia. You can only get a certificate that one is on file. That is enough, even for the Republicans in Hawaii and insurance companies Virginia. The Supreme Court did not confirm that my automobile accident happened, but the Supreme Court has decided that Obama is a natural born citizen by virtue of his inauguration. The case is closed except for those idiots who think that Republicans have a divine right to rule and for members of the Beat the Dead Horse League. This is a thinly disguised attempt to overthrow the government of the United States, and everyone who presses this "issue" is a traitor to our country.
There is a group in our country that is trying to make our court system powerless by removing its function of adjudicating the constitutionality of laws, thus eliminating our system of checks and balances. Then they want to throw the government into chaos by removing our Commander in Chief. These two things would make America into an ochlocracy and throw it into chaos. This is al Qaeda's stated goal. I think the Department of Homeland Security should investigate all of you.
God damnit, you people make me agree with terrorists.
Yes. Brilliant. At a time in our nation's history where there exists more division and in-fighting than has been see since the Civil War, let's keep going with this ludicrous, disproven, petty argument. Sometimes I think the looneis like you all WANT this nation to tear itself apart. I, for one, would really like this country to NOT fall into the ash heap of history until AFTER I am no longer alive.
beat dead horses much, folks?
don't know what the voices in all of your heads are telling you, but you are all completely crazy.
You birthers are blithering idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Hawaii Birth Certificate carries a statement that it is prima facie evidence (to be taken at face value) in all legal proceedings. Over. Done.
Okay, Joe. I'll entertain your fantasy for a few seconds. Who will provide the DNA against which to check Obama's DNA? His mother's dead, so no mitochondrial DNA available there. His grandparents are dead, so no DNA available from either of them. And remember, since you folks posited this adventure in lunacy, it's his DNA from his mother's side we're inquiring about, right? Cuz that's where even the fantastical "interpretation" of requiring one of his parents to be a US citizen stems from in your neatly clipped version of "natural born" citizenship. Everyone knows his father was from Kenya and that Obama, Sr. went back to Kenya. You just can't stand the fact that a black man is in the White House. Underlying your version of things, along with all the other right-wing nut jobs, is the desire to "go back to the Constitution" without any amendment after the 10th, which, of course, would allow slavery, no voting enfranchisement of women, African-Americans or Native Americans. What are you going to do with the fact that America was "discovered" by a man flying the Spanish flag because I presume you're one of those peeved about having to go through a phone menu of exactly two choices – in English or Spanish. In the end, your version of the Constitution and your privileged place in this society is just another form of masterb*tion. Get. a. life.
"The status of natural born U.S. citizen can be acquired – or not – only at birth."
Fun fact — John McCain was born in Panama. He was granted 'natural born' status retroactively.
I can see I've landed in Crazyville. Don't we have some real problems in this country that you all could be spending your energy fixing? I'm sure you won't want to post my comment b/c it fails to prop up this latest ludicrous claim that Obama is a "pretender." What do you think the end of all of this is going to be? Seriously? Can any of you answer that coherently?
Why did no-one demand this of either Bush's? Or of Clinton? The tech was there?
I hate to burst your bubble, but Obama is a president of the US, and this fact automatically means he is a lying politician. In this respect, he is no different from any other president. They are all politicians, and in order to get as far as they did, they had to excel in a political environment where deceit and corruption are the norm. Obama is no different than any of his predecessors. Go ahead…put him under a microscope…you should as responsible voters. But dont do it because he is Obama. Do it because he is the president.
The author writes, poorly, as if he is some kind of constitutional scholar while blindly leaping from one far-fetched notion to another with no actual proof other than assumption. Is this what passes for "journalism"?
All I can say, is keep it up. You're a credit to the Republican party and should be on the front page of every newspaper shouting this at the top of your lungs.
My goodness but the crazy is deep in here.
And you wonder why you are portrayed as insane. Keep peddling the nonsense and amping up the crazy. It's fun watching you get all lathered up into a frenzy and foaming at the mouth.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!
Keep it up, guys – this is comedy gold. Thanks for the laughs this morning.
good lord man that post cause tin foil futures to SKYROCKET
Investigate? Again? How many investigations does he need to be cleared by? Is there a specific number, or just, "as many as it takes to find something wrong?"
The answer, for this writer, is blindingly obvious to anyone paying attention.
Well … that was weapons-grade retarded … WHAR BIRTHCIRTIF WHAR!?!
All of you are totally fucked in the head.
For the love of God people, go enrich your lives or something……
Wow, it must freak out the birthers to suddenly be so badly outnumbered on their own site. Think how scary it must be for them out there in the real world!
The libs hijacked the site. I've seen this tactic from them before.
hahahahahaha… this is why the world laughs at america
Didn't know there was an "American gene". You guys are nuts.
You are a fucking idiot.
Brilliant Idea! Should be applied to everyone running for public office!
you are insane and a racist and those are the only true facts.
You are quite arguably the biggest Idiot on the face of this planet.
Seriously, did your parents force you to eat the lead paint chips or did you do that all on your own, because this is the biggest piece of junk writing I've ever had the misfortune of reading o.0;;
You're stupid. Congratulations. Now, because you opened your mouth and waved it in front of the whole world to see, you've confirmed your stupidity for all of us to laugh at.
Which brings us to the point… would we not all be better off if George "W" Bush had not been born at all.
Time to get a life on this Obama birth certificate. he's in already. get over it.
cheers
ken
"Paranoia is just another word of ignorance" Hunter S Thompson
Did the bwack Pwezident get you all upset? Poor babies!
Call us birthers or whatever you want to call us ,but you will see the truth when he tries to run for his second term. Then and only then, will we believe if he is a legal or not. He has to be vetted again, and in every state. But ,by all means , lets not forget Issa, who is about to subpoena not only his records but the whole democratic party of corruption. You kool-aid drinkers were really poisoned when you fell for this mans CON.The truth will come out,and all your name calling is not going to stop it. SO HAVE YOUR FUN WHILE IT LAST.
I agree 100.99% and I am from MN! Although, I think I should change locals like Obama has done. Easier than taking it in the shorts for this State. Excuse me now as I duck more creme pies flying our way
You need to look at a picture of Obama's mother. HE LOOKS LIKE HER! Did you ever notice?
Know thy Constitution. This whole article is based on the false premise that if Obama had been born to the Luo tribesman, he couldn't have been a natural born citizen. The Constitution says otherwise. Sorry.
I am surprised that you are not asking him to take the dunking test that they used to try witches in the 1700's as well. You know, to see if he is the anti-Christ of not. This article is crazy, but the real gems of insanity have got to be the comments below it. Racist much people, just admit it, you are just upset that a black man is president, if he was white I doubt any of this would be going on.
This writer needs to seek professional counseling as soon as possible to help with his mental illness.
"it's high time" … emphasis on the HIGH!