Here, Carl Gallups has an interview with Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse head Mike Zullo. New evidence will apparently convince the greatest skeptic that Obama’s birth certificate was 100% forged…
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By the time he gathers all the documents Obama will have to much damage done to America
Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent to the papers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home all show.
Sure, dearie. That really “proves” it, eh?? They just “know” he was born in Hawaii, they said so, so case closed, right? Oh, yeah….and his grandma put a birth announcement in the paper, which proves to the lobotomized of the world that he HAD to have been born there….just ’cause. Case closed for the brain-dead.
Shhhh, don’t tell ‘Ellen’ those ‘newspaper birth announcements’ are not in all the island newspapers microfiche. That’s right, not in Maui, not in Hilo or Kona.
That’s been debunked long ago.
Sure it has been “debunked.” Sure it has. The microFILM of the birth announcements is in the files of both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Hawaii State Library.
Moreover, the birth notices in the newspapers are one one of the following seven points:
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by the following: (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
ON his birth certificate the the birth announcement under Race it was written Afro/american this term for race was not even used during the year he was born until several years later
You’re absolutely right. The term black was used to replace Negro in the 1960s and ’70s. African-American was used within the black community in the 1980s but was not popularized into general usage until the 1990s by none other than Jesse Jackson, who is the one who got the mainstream media to start using the term.
The race of Obama’s father does not state “African-American” or “Afro/American.”
It states simply “African.” And what is the explanation of that, since in those days the common word was Negro?
Answer. The explanation is very simple. Hawaii did not specify what word you had to use in order to enter your race. There was no checklist of races, and they did not tell you what you had to put down; you could use any word that you wanted. And what was the word that African exchange students normally used in the 1960s to describe their race? Answer: African. And what was the word that the colonial government of the Kenya Colony, where Obama’s father came from (and which BTW did exist at the time), use to describe the black residents of that colony? Answer Africans.
ellen, you have drank the kool aid and nothing will change your mind. However, evidence shows, on the contrary, that Obama is not authorized under Article II, Section 1 to be president. The birth notices in the Newspaper do not prove anything. When Obama was born in Kenya in 1961, his mother was visiting Obama Sr’s homeland and before she could obtain a ticket to return to the USA, her water broke and Barack (Barry Soetero) Hussein Obama was born. Back in 1961 anyone could get a birth certificate from Hawaii. All it took is someone to go to the Department of Health and complete the necessary forms. Once these fraudulent forms were completed by his communist grand-mother and grand-father the newspapers picked up the notice and published the birth announcement in the paper. Usually, when someone is born in a hospital, they compete the forms there and send them to the Department of Health. No hospital in Hawaii has a record of Obama being born there. Check it out. If that is not enough, Obama is not a natural born citizen, even if he was born in Hawaii. His father was a dual citizen of the UK and the African nation now called Kenya. Obama was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya on Aug 4th, 1961. You need to educate yourself a little. Google Sherriff Joe Apairo and the posse investigation that has been done and you will see the birth certificate the White House put out in 2011 was a fake and not a very good one at that. Of course, you being a Democrat, you will not believe any of this. Everyone knows Obama is a plant, put here either by Russia, Saudi Arabia, or George Soros. This issue will never go away because Obama refuses to release a clean birth certifcate. As for the former Republican Governor of Hawaii saying Obama was born there, she took the word of the Democrat running the Department of Health and did not actually see a birth certificate. Further, when former Representative Abercrombie (now Governor of Hawaii) said when he first took the governor’s reigns that he was going to get to the bottom of the Obama birth certificate contraversy. He went to the files and could not find anything like a birth certifcate. He said he found a piece of paper, but no birth certifcate. Then, he just clammed up about the birth certificate issue. You liberals want Obama to be legitimate so bad you will cling to this, even with evidence published by investigators who went to Hawaii and could not find a bc. Also, the former man in charge of the birth certificates in Hawaii said there was no birth certificate on file in Hawaii for Obama. Obama has someone else’s social security number. His selective service registration is a fake and as he famously like to say, “the only people who don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide.” Why is he hiding his college records, his bc, his selective service records, his passport records, and why are all the Democrat controlled courts not allowing law suits to go forward contesting his eligibility to be president under Article II, Seciton 1, of our constitution?
And lets not forget this statement “Your problem is that you always tell the truth”—Barak Obama to Jeremiah Wright. But understand one thing Granny Obamas cherry/bearing grease/weevil flavored koolaid is powerful stuff. Look what it does to liberals like ellen who were determined to vote for Obama, truth be damned. It allows them to believe a lie as the truth even when they know its a lie.
We were discussing the issue of whether Obama was born in Hawaii and whether he is a Natural Born US citizen. The answer to both is YES.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is not merely based on Obama saying that he was (He did say it and has never said that he was born anywhere else). It is based on the evidence of the birth certificate, the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties, the Index Data, the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, etc.
Don’t forget that in order for someone to elgible to become president that both parents must be American citizens.
Who told you that? It is wrong. The term Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
@Ellen….. just cause the Newspapers said so —– does it make it right? Obama’s Mom called her Mom in Hawaii to have it printed in the Newspaper while she was in Africa…. duh !!!!
Well, duh to you too. FIRST, the notices in the newspapers were sent ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii. How do we know this? We know three ways, first the papers say it, then the DOH says it, then the name of the section in the papers was called “Health Bureau Statistics.” So, only the DOH could insert that notice into that section, not the grandmother not anyone else. And the DOH only sent notices to the papers for births in Hawaii.
SECOND, the birth notices in the newspapers are only confirming evidence, good confirming evidence to be sure, but still the primary evidence are the birth certificates themselves and their confirmation repeatedly by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor). THIRD, the Hawaii birth notices are still further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
Over on the claim that Obama’s mother called her mother. You should know that (1) Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya (she in fact said that he was born in Hawaii, repeatedly, but birther sites never quoted her), and (2) the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it is false.
It must really stink up there where you have your cranium lodged Ellen… Let me know and we can call a wrecker or crane to come over with a big cable so we can pull your head out of your arse.
Notice that TexasVetgal does not discuss the facts or even cite a single fact. She only calls names. In contrast, I never call names and I cite the facts. For example the following links to most of the recent confirmations (which have been by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii) that Obama’s birth certificate is accurate and that it shows that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Ellen;
Do YOU notice, that when you call people, who don’t believe he was born here, “birthers”,
then you are in FACT calling people names?
Well, of COURSE you don’t see it that way, right?
Re: “ou call people, who don’t believe he was born here, “birthers”, you are in fact calling people names.”
Did you know that birthers themselves call themselves birthers? There was a meeting planned about a year ago of the people who do not believe that Obama was born in Hawaii and those who do not believe he is a NBC because of the citizenship of his father. And what did they call this planned meeting? Why they called it “The Birther Summit.” (Google it, and it will show that the meeting was planned but never came off, due to internal conflicts, and, it is possible, lack of sufficient interest.)
So, birthers call themselves birthers. Moreover, the term “birther” is merely a short hand expression for “people who do not believe that Obama was born in Hawaii or not eligible because of his father.” It is not necessarily a term of abuse. I certainly do not use it as a term of abuse. However, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review have all called birthers “crazy”—so perhaps they do use it as a term of abuse.
Ellen I don’t care if he was born in Washington DC……only one of his parents was an American citizen. Both are required to be elgible to become president.
Re: “Ellen I don’t care if he was born in Washington DC……only one of his parents was an American citizen. Both are required to be elgible to become president.”
Who told you that? It is wrong.
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States. About.com
You are nothing more than a commie loving useful idiot. Don’t cry when your fraud and thief is arrested, tried and publicly executed.
Centermass does nothing more than call names. I do not call names and I only show and discuss the facts.
LIAR. Facts? What a joke! Leftist twisting is not fact, ellen and you have proved yourself to be a mere Leftist Tool. I don’t know why anyone bothers to debate the Left anymore. Their “truth” is based on twisted “fact” and whimsey.
Have fun though, it probably keeps you off the streets and the Troll Money buys you food.
Come on, Western Center Posters, IGNORE THE LEFTIST DRONE. Smacking her arguments down only encourages her to cite more twisted whimsey. Obama is her god and savior and she has forsaken all others.
It’s useless to try talking sense to her.
I stopped, it is like trying to communicate with a brick wall. I just keep hearing echoes!
Remember Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In? Libs like ellen remind me of the cast skipping along with a basket of rose petals, scattering them about and calling out “Whimsey! Whimsey!” as they go.
ellen, dream on.
Dream on that Obama was not born in Hawaii and that he is not a Natural Born Citizen. You have the right to dream. But the FACTS show that he really was born in Hawaii and that the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen. That is why Chief Justice Roberts swore him in, you know. And that is why not a single member of the US Electoral College (532 members) or a single member of Congress (535) changed their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or from Obama to Romney in 2012 or voted against the confirmation of Obama’s election. Not one of them.
But you have the right to dream. As you say, dream on, keep on dreaming on.
yourdream has turned into an American nightmare, thanks for being that easily duped ellen
Hawaii is very user friendly and one can get just about anything said or done there.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by:
(1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
well ellen, how does it feel? to have been duped by the biggest con artist ever to serve in DC? 1st clue, he has a conneticutt social security number, when he has never lived there. 2nd clue, they did not have photoshop in 1961, so explain how there are layers to the “document”? if it was simply a copy of his birth certificate, then it would have been in 1 layer only as when scanned. there are many inconsistances on the certificate itself, and where are the footprints? 3rd cliue, why has all records from kenya manifests been blocked, from aug 1961- dec 1961? who is harrison j burnell? 4th clue, why has he spent millions to block both his birth certificate and his college transcripts? maybe showing that he registered as a foreign exchange student?
Millions of people have errors in their SS numbers, and Photoshop was used on the scanned image of the official physical copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate. Layers, btw, are normal in Photoshop; in fact, that is how it works. There are, duh, no footprints on an official state birth certificate.
Re: “ll records from kenya manifests been blocked, from aug 1961- dec 1961? ”
Answer. They weren’t the INS has records of a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in the fiscal year 1961. Of them only seven were US citizens and only one person came by air.
There are no inconsistencies in the birth certificate. Kenya existed at the time–it was called “The Kenya Colony (NOT the British East African Protectorate), and so did Kapiolani Hospital.
Re: ” why has he spent millions to block both his birth certificate and his college transcripts? ”
Answer. He hasn’t. He has shown both his short form birth certificate and his long form birth certificate, and since there was never a lawsuit for his BCs or his school transcripts (only to keep his name off of ballots) he did not spend a cent to hide either of them. He has shown his BCs, and he does not have to show his school transcripts, and Romney and McCain and Bush and Clinton certainly didn’t.
Then theres that promotional booklet published by Acton and Dystel, Omamas literary agents that proclaims “First African American president of the Harvard Law Review born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia” Which was allowed to stand for SIXTEEN YEARS.. From 1991 to 2007, at this point it was conveniently called a—misprint. Incidentally 2007 was the year Obama began his bid for the destruction of our nation. Now without doubt ellen has already debunked this fact with some cherry/walnut/weasel piss flavored koolaid. “I GOT OBAMA PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Ellen, i love you and Mike but you are so far off base on this one. You should be looking at what this SOB has planned for you and for us….why did he purchase 2 billion hollow point bullets for government agencies and why is he asking military leaders if they would be able go fire on American citizens? That is pretty frightening, isn’t it? By the way, everything you site as evidence is circumstantial and would never hold up if we had a real Supreme Court. Everything you site has been blown out of the water by Joe Arpaio. If we are going on hearsay, I will believe his grandmother when she said she was in the room in a village in Kenya when this clown came onto the scene…Wake up Ellen!
Obama’s grandmother never said that she was in the room in a village in Kenya when Obama was born, or for that matter at a hospital in Mobassa when he was born because (1) he was not born in Kenya, and (2) she did not say it. Only birther sites claimed that she said it, but she didn’t say it.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by: (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Yeah he was born in Hawaii in 1959 when his mom was 17 years old
Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, as both his short form and long form birth certificate and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send those notices to the Hawaii newspapers) all show.
What you have stated doesn’t make it so. There is a clause in Hawaii’s birth certificate production,that if you have an infant and are in hawaii anyone can register that infant as born in hawaii, and the papers will print it as news. However Hawaii says there is no birth certioficate registered for Obama. Besides his single mother(not married) wasn’t old enough to pass on citizenship if out opf the states. And his father was an African. So he Should have not been Eligible to even run for president. Congress made a big mistake and do not want to admit it so they are not pressing for his impeachment because they would be found out not doing their job.
Ellen, go back to sucking on the Imposter’s schlong! Your arguments that go against all empirical data don’t even rate a D-. You trolls are a most pathetic lot……..
So I guess when one of BO’s own attorney’s admits. in court, they won’t use his “birth certificate” its because its so “real” — YEAH OK!!!
Ellen – u have had enough kool-aid, step away from the glass!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmN1587ZPUQ
That claim was made up by birther sites. Obama’s lawyer never admitted any such thing (and it is pretty nutty to think that she did). And, not only did she not say that his birth certificate was forged, but it is not forged. Only birther “experts” claim that it is forged, and their expertise has not been shown, and they certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two good reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe them.
The bottom line remains that it is not rational to believe the combination of these two things (and BOTH of them would have to be true for Obama to have been born in a foreign country: (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough (and his grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time, and in 1961 his grandmother was only a low-level employee in a bank) and stupid enough to send Obama’s mother on that long, risky (the incidence of stillbirths were high at the time) and expensive trip alone (Obama’s father has been shown with a FOI Act request to have stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying. Both of those would have to be true for Obama to have been born in a foreign country. BOTH of them. And, btw, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he as born in Kenya (that was made up just the way the “Layer admitted” claim was made up), and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated, and that Obama certainly was not born there.
so no matter how much evidence there is that points to obama as a fraud, we are just supposed to forget that and do whatever obama says?
Okay, Helen, given that you are right (but you’re not, because both his short-form and long-form birth certificates have been forensically proven to be Adobe-modified fakes), what about his not being a “natural born citizen” in accordance with the Constitution, since both his parents were not US citizens, as his father was Kenyan — and a Communist to boot?
Only birther “experts” have claimed that Obama’s birth certificate was forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial.
One proof that it is NOT forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
The claims that Obama’s birth certificate are forged come from birther “analysts”—–who have not shown that they are even analysts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther analysts. And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
Even if he was born in HI, both parents have to be United States citizens for a person to be our president.
Your comment shows you have not educated yourself on this issue. When they issue a birth certificate that looks like the ones issued at that time, that looks like the Nordyke twins, I might believe he was born in Hawaii. BUT, had you educated yourself, you would know that those ads in the newspaper mean SQUAT, anybody could put those in, regardless of where the baby was born, and even of PEOPLE who were not babies any more, born anywhere. Hawaii BC’s were given out to anybody, regardless of where they were born. PLEASE! Do some research. Obama’s buddy Bill Ayers was an expert in creating FALSE identities. The SSN Obama uses (and this is a fact, backed up with valid documents) was issued to a man born in Russia in 1890, who immigrated to CT, lived with Robinson’s (Michelle’s ancestors), which he obtained around 1977 when he became ill and needed SS benefits. His name was Harrison J Bounel, last residence listed as the Obama mansion in Chicago, and his spouse listed as Michelle Obama, and he engaged in tax and real estate fraud in the purchase of the Rezco’s lot next to the mansion. Now, use your fingers, type into your search engines, and you can confirm that all of the above is documented (and now in the hands of the Supreme Court for consideration on Feb 15, 2013).
Retarded get a brain will ya Odumbo Is and always will be an Illegal commie muslim Traitor, born in Kenya and raised in Indonisia , His black father was a british citizen and a commie member backed by big money by two people that have felony records
Ellen keep up on the news < Hawaii has come out and said they have no brith records for Odumbo and now even two sentors in Arizona has said they dont believe odumbo was not born in AMERICA HELLO DRINK COFFEE INSTEAD OF THE KOOL AID
Actually, Hawaii never said any such thing. A birther site said that it said it, but it didn’t—and in fact THREE Republican officials and several Democrats have repeatedly stated that they saw Obama’s birth certificate in the files. No, Abercrombie never said that they could not find it or that it was missing either.
And, those were not “two senators.” They were two members of the Electoral College, and they did not say that they did not believe, only that they thought that the evidence was not sufficient—and they are wrong; it is more than sufficient.
If you still really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (including the former Republican governor, and also several Democrat) officials in Hawaii, plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers–which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
Also, why would Obama’s grandparents, who were not rich by any means (he was a furniture salesman and she was at the time a low-level employee in a bank) send their daughter on a long, expensive and highly risky (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) trip to a foreign country when she was late in pregnancy—-when there are perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii?
Oh, and btw, the entry point for a trip to Kenya would have been New York. There were no direct flights from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.
OK Ellen what if he was born in HI (which I doubt). None-the-less, in order for a person to become President of the United States of America BOTH parents must be natural born citizens of the United States of America. HIs mother qualifies…his father does not. My big question is…..why was all of this fraud and smoke-and-mirrors been allowed in the first place. Who is pulling the strings???
Re: “BOTH parents must be natural born citizens of the United States of America.”
Who told you that? It is wrong. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
Ellen, seven days and aprox. seventy posts from you and you just keep repeating the same things….and no one is agreeing with you. Got to admit, you are standing up for your point of view….no matter what anyone else says. I have to ask….do you have any doubts at all about this subject? Be mindful with your answer. Remember, there are none so blind as those who will not see.
i have no doubts whatever that (1) Obama really was born in Hawaii, and (2) the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that the US Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.
Seems like a bad dream. I can’t believe we let America get this bad.
No Matter how much damage one may think that can’t be undone, If Obama finally is caught at all his lies, America will correct the stupid things this president has done. Not just that, but he will not be able to recieve his for life protection of the Secret Service. All I want is this illegal out of the White House. There are already people who knew Obama when he was younger know that Obama is not a Citizen, go to Kenya and his family will tell you he wasn’t born in Hawaii, they can go to the hospital, and go to the exact room he was born in. Just get this bum out of office, he think his dung doesn’t stink, he think he can get away with murder, but sooner or later the boy will get caught, then the hammer is going to fall, hopefully on top off his head, then we will go after his wife, and throw her into jail as well, for covering up the lie they have been living. I dislike being angry, and I dislike feeling the way I do about this punk we have playing his game as President, but he is so damn hateful towards the American People, that he is purposely causing damage to America, and he is not finished, that is why it is extremely neccessary to remove this demon out of the office of the Presidency.
I’m with you Michael, I bellive there will be a lot to undo, however, it can and will be done. Not only will we have to cleanup BO’s mess, we will have to clean house in Congress and the Judical branch as well. It is my hope that we can get him out of office and therefore overturn all legislation that was put into place by him, all appointments, etc.
Obama’s family NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. That is a creation of birther sites who cut off the interview just before the Kenyan grandmother was asked “Where was he born?” She replied repeatedly IN HAWAII. Oh, and the Kenyan government did an investigation of the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, and found that it is false.
Elllen..you are a moron! Everything you’ve stated is a lie! It’s idiots like you that are destroying this country, and I hope you get what you deserve! It’s unfortunate that good people will have to suffer because of people like you!
In response to your claim that I am lying, I will post the facts.
Here is the transcript of the taped interview with the grandmother:
“MCRAE: OK. Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background: “naah?”)
BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help. I think, uh I think, I kind of, you know we’ll be coming December (unintelligible) and Vitalis, and I talking to him, so I tell him–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): –no, no– what?!?
BROTHER TOM: –that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you were a little, a little, a little American bus–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding distressed): No–yes–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.
BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh–was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I–I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it–
WOMAN’S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: –was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn’t here sir, he was born there in America.
Ends
As you can see, she said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. Birther sites simply never quoted her.
And here is proof that the Kenyan government checked on whether Obama was born in Kenya, and found that he was NOT born in Kenya:
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
ellen, I don’t care if he was born in a manger behind your trailer with democrat donkeys eating hay where he lay. The man that he claims to be his biological father, was not born in the US. That makes Obama ineligible to be the president of the United States according to our Constitution! Just the facts ma’am, just the facts as Joe Friday would say!
Re: “ellen, I don’t care if he was born in a manger…”
Actually, he was born in Kapiolani Hospital, Hawaii (which, by the way, did exist at the time).
Re: “father, was not born in the US. That makes Obama ineligible to be the president of the United States …”
Answer: What gives you that idea? It is wrong.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Here is the ruling of the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case (which btw was after Minor v. Happersett) that says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child in the USA with the exception of children born to foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
As you can see, it says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the country except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
The Wall Street Journal put it this way: “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning. “–http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
Ellen, I know you mean well but what part of both parents needing to be US citizens do you not understand?
Re: “I know you mean well but what part of both parents needing to be US citizens do you not understand?”
Answer: What part of “the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen” do you not understand?
It should be really simple for you to figure out. IF two citizen parents were required, the US Congress would not have confirmed his election. But the US Congress DID confirm his election. If two citizen parents were required. Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum would have said so, but none of them said so. If two citizen parents were required, at least one of the 356 members of the Electoral College who Obama won in the general election in 1961 or the 332 that he won in 2012 would have switched a vote from Obama to McCain or from Obama to Romney, or not voted—but that did not happen in either election.
If two citizen parents were required, Edwin Meese would not have said:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
But he did say it.
If two citizen parents were required former Senator Fred Thompson would not have written this:
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
But he did write it.
What part of “the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the citizenship of a US-born citizen” do you not understand?
Perhaps we should stop feeding the trolls.
Obama Bin Lyin’ himself said in 1992 in his Published Promtional piece that he was born in HI. His sister, hsi brother and grandmother also stated he was born in HI. But like most of those suffering from Leftardation, you can lead the Leftard to the facts, you just can’t force the DUMBasCRAP to think….
SORRY, HE ALONG WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMEBRS SAID HE WAS BORN IN KENYA!!!
Re: “Obama Bin Lyin’ himself said in 1992 in his Published Promtional piece that he was born in HI. His sister, hsi brother and grandmother also stated he was born in HI. ”
Actually the above is true. The claim that Obama or his family ever said that he was born in Kenya, is false. And not only is it false, it is nutty. The government of Kenya said that it checked out the “born in Kenya” story, and that it is false. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and of them only one person came by plane (which has long been part of the birthers’ story). And, not only has the government of Kenya said that Obama was NOT born in Kenya, but the government of Hawaii, confirmed by the Index Data, the birth notices in the newspapers and the teacher who wrote home, said that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Neither Obama’s book nor any relative ever said that he was born in Kenya. His book actually says, what the long form birth certificate and the former Republican governor and the teacher who wrote home all confirm, that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital (which BTW did exist at the time as the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins show).
Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII (birther sites simply cut off the tape just before she was asked “Where was he born?” She answered that by saying repeatedly “IN HAWAII.”
Partial transcript:
“MCRAE: OK. Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background: “naah?”)
BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help. I think, uh I think, I kind of, you know we’ll be coming December (unintelligible) and Vitalis, and I talking to him, so I tell him–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): –no, no– what?!?
BROTHER TOM: –that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you were a little, a little, a little American bus–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding distressed): No–yes–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.
BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh–was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I–I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it–
WOMAN’S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: –was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn’t here sir, he was born there in America.
Ends
SO you were right in your initial statement. Obama’s brother and grandmother all said that he was born in HAWAII, as does his birth certificate, and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home. Obama’s book also says that he was born in Hawaii.
A publicist who wrote a blurb got Obama mixed up with his father, who has the same name and who really was born in Kenya, but she admitted to her mistake, and her mistake does not prove that he was born in Kenya—when the Kenyan government and the relatives and the Hawaii government all say that he wasn’t born in Kenya. (Oh, and the Kenya “birth certificate” was forged. One of the forged “Kenyan birth certificates” was done by Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon who claimed to have gotten it in Kenya, but who has constantly refused to show proof that he, Lucas Smith, had ever gone to Kenya (and who used US date formats on the document and not the British formats used in Kenya).
thats funny, there is a kenyan birth certificate that shows, who the obumbles parents were, what providence that he was born in, his footprint, and the doctors name
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
The “Kenyan birth certificate” with the footprint was forged by a fellow called Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was forgery, and he claimed that he got the birth certificate in Kenya, but he has constantly refused to show that he ever went to Kenya (and he misspelled the names of the officials and got the date format used in Kenya wrong.) It is a sign of the desperation and credulity of the birthers that they believe Lucas D. Smith and do not believe the combination of the government of Kenya, who says that he was NOT born there, and the government of Hawaii (confirmed by officials of both parties) who says that Obama WAS born there.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, heck, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
ROFLMAO, it was proved “forged” by an pro-obama website?, I looked at all your “evidence” and every one of them were pro-obama websites. ROFLMAO keep trying
google dr. ron polland, on your obumbles short form birth certificate
Re: “ROFLMAO, it was proved “forged” by an pro-obama website?,” (Referring to the alleged “Kenyan birth certificate.”
Okay, for a rational person visiting this site, the above statement says that the writer believes a convicted felon, who claims to have gotten the birth certificate in Kenya BUT HAS CONSTANTLY REFUSED TO SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE EVER WENT TO KENYA over the combination of both (1) the Kenyan government, which says that he was NOT born in Kenya; (2) the Hawaii government (officials of both parties), which says that he was born in Hawaii.
More evidence that the “Kenyan birth certificate” is forged:
http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/108005/
Re: “google dr. ron polland, on your obumbles short form birth certificate.”
For Obama’s short-form birth certificate to be forged either (1) the Hawaii clerk who filled in the form that generated it and the two REPUBLICAN Hawaii officials who confirmed it would ALL have to be lying, or (2) Obama somehow had it forged and slipped into the Hawaii DOH files in 2007 before he got the copy from Hawaii. That is because a short-form birth certificate is generated by the clerk filling in the computer form from the facts that she or he sees on the document in the files. So there has to be a document in the files (which the officials of both parties have of course confirmed) and it has to say that Obama was born in Hawaii (ditto).
Polland, for one thing, claimed that the short form BC is not on the security paper, but on a plastic sheet pasted onto the paper. Well, please look at the the FactCheck photos and see if you believe him. Moreover, Polland pointed to the places where the darker basket weave pattern of the security paper appears next to the letters and called them “shadows.” Finally, Polland, like Irey and Vogt, has no credentials as a document examiner, and he cannot show that he is fair and impartial. These are two reasons why such conservative leaders as Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther “experts.”
It seems to be a matter of the ones who should taking action. They are figuring out how to come out of all of this smelling like a rose, is the hold up. Meanwhile our country is in peril. They need to make sacrifices just like all our dead and wounded soldiers and their families. Their sacrifice is getting some egg on their snarky faces.
He’s phony as a $3 bill, but very well handled by Luciferian Alinskyites who keep feeding us crises that “must be dealt with now” that the media and Republicans eat up.
With American blood and treasure, every Muslim dictatorship that we’ve replaced with another Muslim dictatorship is now constitutionally under Sharia Law and Islamic domination. Since then, Christians and Jews are no longer at least tolerated, but persecuted and their houses of worship burned while their faithful are slaughtered.
Muslim military training camps are in place across the US while citizens are being attacked for their right to bear arms. Could Obama’s promise of a civilian defense force “equal to and as well-funded as the military” mean the formation of Muslim tactics so commonly seen in our war on terror – only to be forced on our own cities and towns.to suppress the crazy right-wing extremists.
Harvard has stopped teaching Constitution, while pundits and professors are touting the idea we get rid of the Constitution.
Actually, his birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly, and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was ruled by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to refer to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
If he was born in Hawaii why there is no hospital that want to claim the birth of Barry on their facility, and present a record of the birth?.You are a Barry pay professional DES INFORMER.
Kapiolani IS saying that Obama was born there.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
And:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52083178/Kapiolani-Medical-Center-100-Years-1909-to-2009
That’s two separate confirmations that Obama was born in Kapiolani, in contrast to the fact that NO hospital has said that Romney was born there or McCain was born there or Bush was born there or Clinton was born there, ETC.
The confirmations from Kapiolani are, of course, only additional confirmations to (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
WCFJ: This video is old news and you’re a little slow on the draw. Saw this video yesterday on a different website. You’re picking up the pieces. You and the Sheriff Joe need to wake me up when you’re serious enough to grab leg and arm irons and head for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington DC (District of Crime) to arrest this POS usurper.
INDEED !
Remember the staunch defender of the 10 Commandments and graduate of West Point Judge Ray Moore? I’m paraphrasing and quoting from notes and cut and pastes taken out of an article on the obamaballotchallenge website, “10-commandments-judge-roy-moore-no-convincing-evidence-that-obama-is-a-u-s-citizen,” that links to a worldnetdaily.com interview with the judge.
In a ceremony heavy on references to God and scripture, Roy Moore took the oath of office on Jan. 11th as chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.
The Judge said in an interview with worldnetdaily.com, that, Lt. Colonel “Lakin “not only has a right to follow his personal convictions under the Constitution, he has a duty,” Moore said. “And if the authority running the efforts of the war is not a citizen in violation of the Constitution, the order ist unlawful.”
“The highest law in this country is not the order of the Supreme Court of the U.S., not the order of the commander in chief, or any subordinate officer,” he said.
Instead, it is the Constitution, which in this particular case demands that the president be a “natural born citizen,” a requirement not imposed on other officers.
There have been dozens of lawsuits and challenges over the fact that Obama’s eligibility never has been documented. The “Certification of Live Birth” his campaign posted online is a document that Hawaii has made available to those not born in the state.
“Lt. Col. Lakin has every right to question the lawfulness of the orders of the commander in chief. He’s not only the commander in chief, he dictates the whole war effort, as shown by the recent firing of [Gen. Stanley McChrystal],” Moore said.
It doesn’t matter, he said, that orders come from a colonel, or a general or even the Pentagon.
“The same thing applies in the military as in the judicial system,” he explained. “The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the order of a higher officer, not the order of a judge.”
His comments came today in an interview with WND about Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who yesterday was denied permission by Army Col. Denise R. Lind to obtain evidence that could document Obama is not eligible to occupy the Oval Office.
Col. Denise Lind found that since Congress allocates money for the war effort and the Pentagon was created, an order tracing back to the military hierarchy should have been sufficient for Lakin.
“That’s wrong,” Moore said. “They’re not the commander in chief.
“No order in the military can be issued without the authority that backs the order. The president didn’t give the order, but he is the authority that backs the order,” he said.
With the current protocol to simply follow orders, Moore warned, the U.S. will develop more incidents like that involving Lt. William Calley in Vietnam. The atrocities of My Lai were carried out under the guise of “following orders,” Moore noted.
Lakin “not only has a right to follow his personal convictions under the Constitution, he has a duty,” Moore said. “And if the authority running the efforts of the war is not a citizen in violation of the Constitution, the order is unlawful.”
Moore said he’s seen no convincing evidence that Obama is a “natural born citizen” and a lot of evidence that suggests he is not.
“This is the strangest thing indeed. The president has never produced [evidence] in the face of substantial evidence he was not born in our country. People are accepting it blindly based on their feelings, not on the law,” he said.
“They can’t fool all of the people all of the time, and that’s what they’re trying to do,” he said.”
Enough of this mockery of our Constitution by an enemy agent of Islam practicing taqqiya! Arrest the usurper!
Lakin refused the legal order to go to Afghanistan, where he could have helped US troops since he is a doctor. The order was not given to him by Obama but by a direct superior officer, and the Afghanistan war is a legal war, having been approved by Congress back during the Bush Administration. The idea that an officer or a soldier can refuse a legal order to do something out of the belief that the president is not a Natural Born Citizen is simply loony. Imagine if a soldier refused the order to get into the boats to invade in Normandy during WWII saying that he would not do so because he had not proof that FDR was a Natural Born Citizen.
That Moore says that he has not seen convincing evidence only shows that he has not looked at the evidence. The evidence is OVERWHELMING that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate shows. And the fact on the birth certificate and that it was sent to Obama and that the original exists in the Hawaii files and that the facts on the original and the published images of the copies are EXACTLY the same have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor, and by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and by the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
There is absolutely no evidence (except for forgeries) that Obama was born in any other country than the USA, and the government of Kenya has denied that it took place there.
Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama entered the USA in 1961 or received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
A day has passed, and so far there have been no answers to the questions.
Three days have passed, and so far there have been no answers to the questions.
Five days have passed, as so far there have been no answers to the questions.
Nearly a month has passed, and so far there have been no answers to the questions.
Major Gen Paul Valleley, said that after analysis the document presented by Obama is a fake. A 30 year law enforcement official Sherriff Arpaio says its a fake as well as Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, but ellen knows more than a 2 star, a 30 year law man and a Supreme Court Justice combined. “There are none so blind as one who will not see”
Major General Vallely and Sheriff Joe and Justice Moore are both relying on the birther “experts” who say that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. But those experts do not have credentials. They have not proven that they are even experts, and they certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial.
Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther analysts. Moreover, unless the Republican officials in Hawaii are lying (including the former Republican governor), there is in fact a Hawaii birth certificate in the files there and it says that Obama was born in Honolulu, HA. And, in fact, unless Obama slipped the forgery into the files back in 2007 (when he was only a junior senator), there must have been a copy of Obama’s birth certificate in the files in Hawaii in 2007 when the clerk filled in the form that generated the short-form birth certificate. That is because a short-form BC is created by a clerk looking into the file and reading the facts off of the document in the file and entering them on the computer form that generated the short-form BC. So there must have been a document in the files and must have said that Obama was born in Honolulu (unless, of course, the clerk and the two Republican officials who confirmed the clerk, are all lying).
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere.
The democrates and mian stream media will not bring this Traitor up on charges yet alone let the truth come out
The truth is that Obama really and truly was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home all show.
Ellen is so obviously good at what she does, can you say paid troll.
I’m not paid, and the site welcomes people on all sides. All that I do is politely post the facts. That’s not being a troll.
1 + 1 = 2 AND HERE YOU GOOOOO…..the reason he wants to pass Immigration in a hurry is to get himself a visa and shove it in our faces about “natural born citizen” Amendment is outdated as well as our Constitution, he already declared our Bill of Rights dead with NDAA, then somehow get the SCOTUS to say: “well we swore him in twice now so accept it”!!!!!!!!!! With a rogue federal government, congress and the house, state governments, f b i, c i a, now the litmus test to the military how in the h_ll are we going to even begin to know where to start the cleanup of muslim’s, marxists, et al, after the white house is secure?????
As I ahave said many times Obama has the money and power backing him so all he has to do is what he is told. I believe he will remain in charge until his big money string pulling puppet masters are finished with him then he will somehow be eliminated. Due to voter fraud placing Obama in office 2 times I am sure the Democrats will take control of Congress after the 2014 elections. Then Obama will appoint his Supreme Court Justices and that will be the last nail in America’s coffin. I do not think anything or anyone can stop the Obama machine. I also believe the only reason he is sending planes and tanks to the Middle East is to help wipe Israel off the map. The US will be next.
This has been brewing since at least 1948. When the Pope almost begged Americans to vote for Romney, you have to know with the Vatican’s intelligence resources, that he is fully aware of the consequences of our failure. He’s been doing his part by appointing patriotic, truly fine men of God as US bishops. The priest scandals were bad enough, even if less than other segments of society – like public school teachers, the real battle is the spiritual war against both sides of the Culture of Death.
NOW….WHEN and WHAT legislative or law enforcement branch will ACT on this evidence ?
What “evidence?”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
You’re funny…..
Maybe try doing some actual research and find out that Obama has over 21 SSN’s associated to his name or derivatives of his name. Find out why he released a fraudulent FORGED birth certificate and Selective Services registration, find out why he has a SSN that he uses from someone in CT, a state he was not born in. Hmm, maybe the truth will find you?
Nevermind that his father was born in Kenya according to his birth certificate, a country which wasn’t even in existence until after BO was born! Nevermind any of the evidence as you will not believe it anyway since your head is so filled with BO love that it is going to explode. What a glorious day it will be when BO and all of his people and handlers are seen for what they truly are. Then, what will you do?
“his people and handlers”……you’re referring to the Bilderberg Group……right? The One World Order crowd.
Kenya was in existence. It was not a country. It was a colony, the Kenya Colony. That is called Kenya for short. Obama’s father was from the Kenya Colony, Kenya for short. His birth certificate was not forged. Only birther “experts” have claimed that it is forged, and they have not shown that they even are experts, and they certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why the National Review and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and Paul Ryan do not believe the birther experts. And the birther sites simply have not shown you all the real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate.
His Selective Service registration was forged. Indeed it was. It was forged by the guy who posted it. Obama did not post it. A birther posted it. He did not even claim to have gotten it from Obama. Re Social Security numbers. Millions of people have errors in their SS numbers and multiple SS numbers due to the millions of data entry errors by SS clerks.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is confirmed by (1) the birth certificate itself (short form and long form); (2) the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties, including the former Republican governor; (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births in Hawaii); (5) the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961; (7) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya but said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii and the Kenyan government said that it checked and that Obama WAS NOT born in Kenya.
Your ignorance of the truth and facts astounds me. Given your responses, you know neither the facts that have been presented by numerous sources nor will you admit to those facts.
Keep being a good Democrat and keep the cover-up going. Just like Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Syria, Libya, Mali, etc. you and your other Democrat friends are unable to have the truth pass through your lips.
Re: “Your ignorance of the truth and facts astounds me.”
Notice that this is not discussing the facts listed above. It is simply calling names. Moreover, we were discussing Obama’s place of birth, Syria, Mali, etc are all pressing issues, but they have nothing to do with Obama’s place of birth or his eligibility.
A summary of the facts that show Obama was born in Hawaii is shown above. Here are some of the citations to them:
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
Ellen..Just because you’re too blind to see the evidence, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist!
It is you who are blind. I have posted the evidence above.
ellen, you are NOT posting evidence, you are posting DISINFORMATION that only the most NAIVE, GULLIBLE AND BRAINWASHED will believe.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
Here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
“Birther” isn’t even a word. Colin Powell just doesn’t want to see the evidence or admit that there’s evidence proving that Obama is a “felony fruad.” So, he and the lamestream media call everyone who investigates Obama’s birth certificate names. Obama hasn’t proven, yet, that he’s a naturan born citizen or that he’s even a citizen of this country. All the evidence shows that he’s a fraud.
Re: “Obama hasn’t proven, yet, that he’s a naturan born citizen or that he’s even a citizen of this country.”
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by the birth certificate of Hawaii, confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, confirmed by the Index Data, confirmed by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, confirmed by the teacher who wrote home.
Let’s begin with this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
(Did any birther site show you that a Conservative radio station called Kapiolani Hospital and the hospital confirmed that Obama was born there????)
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
And here is the article about the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
NOW, turning to the allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. There are no facts behind that allegation, simply the claims of birther “experts”—who have not shown that they are even experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all do not believe the claims. For example, the National Review said this about Sheriff Joe:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
. And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
I don’t know where Obama was born, I only know that numerous RELIABLE researchers have stated that his birth certificate is a fake. I believe them over the likes of aging-hippie mom and pop website Scopes. Weight of the evidence is important, and the weight of the evidence (not to mention the quantity of the evidence) on the issue of Obama’s birth certificate being a fake is on the side of Joe Arpaio’s team, Jerome Corsi, Joseph Farah, Alex Jones, etc. Besides, as Obama is on record as stating, “The only one hiding anything is someone with something to hide”, and he should know….as Joe Arpaio states, NONE of his documents have been submitted for vetting… Including his stolen SSN, which belongs to a deceased relative of Michele Obama!!
Those “reliable” researchers include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham (want to see his site?) and Paul Irey, who said that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying that he did indeed attend Columbia College and that in fact he graduated. In short, many of the birther “experts” are either committed enemies of Obama, whose views of the birth certificate being forged are colored by their views, or nuts. They have not even shown that they are real experts. And that is why such conservative leaders as the National Review do not believe them.
The National Review has this to say about Sheriff Joe:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere. But you have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
The Social Security number has no effect on his place of birth, which has been shown overwhelmingly by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 to be in Hawaii.
Oh, and millions of people have errors in their social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors by Social Security Administration clerks.
ellen said…”The Social Security number has no effect on his place of birth”…the use of a STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY from Connecticut said A LOT about the CHARACTER of Barry aka Barack and the herd of ignorants that follow him.
Re: “the use of a STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY from Connecticut said A LOT about the CHARACTER of Barry aka Barack and the herd of ignorants that follow him.”
Millions of people have errors in their Social Security numbers and multiple SS numbers in their files. Don’t like Obama’s character? Too late. The election is over. More than 65 million voters liked his character more than that of Mitt Romney, and that is what counts. However, if you could PROVE that the SS number was stolen (which you can’t because it is merely one of millions of errors), you might be able to get the Congress to impeach. And, if it did impeach, well then Joe Biden would become president, and he may be a little to the left of Obama.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii, which is what we were discussing, has been shown by:
(1) his Hawaii birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
They never say Obama isn’t a citizen, but they say the document was forged which is a felony crime for prosecution. Still not a natural born citizen if his father isn’t born in the U.S. Obama is disqualified.
First, the birth certificate is not forged. Second, the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen. That makes Jindal and Rubio, and yes, Obama (whose birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly) all Natural Born US Citizens.
What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
And, in addition to those opinions, that is the way that the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case, which BTW was after Minor V. Happersett. It ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen. Here is the ruling:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
That quite clearly says that the meaning of NBC comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a NBC. And so far Nine or ten US state and federal courts have all ruled that Wong Kim Ark is the key US Supreme Court ruling on this matter and that because of it Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen, and not one single court has ruled for the two-parent theory. in fact, even the Minor v. Happersett case was neither a ruling on the matter, nor did it say that two citizen parents are required.
Wow check this out and see what you think….looks like a Blessing from God we shall see soon I pray
It takes time to load this video it is 70 minutes long but all the following info in in the FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF THE VIDEO!!!
see video at http://www.beforeitsnews.com Came out 1/25/2013
type in the following header and include the word video
“”Video: Federal Court Indicts President Obama – will not see the end of his second term!”"
On January 25th, 2013 , Mr. Lyndon Larouche, a well respected journalist and political activist recieved word from his sources within the United States government that President Barack Hussein Obama has been indicted by a Federal Court. Details of the indictment has been ommited by Larouche but he characterized them as probably the greatest indictment he has ever seen placed upon a standing president throughout history. Watch the first 5 minutes of the video to hear this explosive news. WOW!
In the video Mr. Larouche said unless Obama pulls a coup d’ tat he will be gone. He also mentioned that the Federal Court acted because Congress failed to act and he asked us to support the Federal Courts.
Holy cow this does not appear to me to be fake….maybe someone can check it out
Let’s all believe the unnamed unverified “sources” of the white supremacist Larouche. He is so reliable. So are his unnamed “sources. “
Or maybe we should believe ellen the black racist bimbo!
Or maybe, you should not believe anyone and wait until a court actually issues the Indictment that Larouche claims. Until then it is just the claim of a white supremacist.
Here’s the direct link:
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/01/federal-court-indicts-president-obama-will-not-see-the-end-of-his-second-term-2488220.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews
I would advise ignoring ellen, it now has proven to be a dis-illusioned troll and a race-baiter.
Only God can stop this President and Change our Government.
Maybe because of our ungodliness ( over 50 million little babies slaughtered ) Plus Homosexuality
plus so many other things against the Word of God that we find ourselves in this position. I hope
there is still a chance for God to reverse this.
Nobody that has a legitimate birth certificate would produce two proven forgeries and use a dead man’s social security number. Obama is a fraud, pure and simple! If I have a niece or a nephew born in Utah or Idaho, I can put an announcement in the Sacramento Bee. An announcement doesn’t mean they were born in Sacramento. Besides, his sister, grandmother, and the Kenyan government have all said that he was born in Kenya. His wife is on record as saying that, and there is a video on Youtube of Obama slipping up and inferring it. Obama, and everyone that has helped perpetrate the fraud are all guilty of treason.
The answer is that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have claimed that it is forged, and they are not believed—with good reason–by such conservative leaders as the National Review and Ann Coulter and Paul Ryan. And birther sites simply have not shown you all the experts who say that it is not forged. Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers.
Re: ” If I have a niece or a nephew born in Utah or Idaho, I can put an announcement in the Sacramento Bee.”
Answer: However, Honolulu, Hawaii is not Sacramento, and the section of the newspaper that Obama’s birth notice appeared in was called the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and as the name indicates, and as the DOH and the newspapers confirm, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could put notices into the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, and it only did so for births in Hawaii.
The birth notices in the newspapers are only confirming evidence, good confirming evidence to be sure, but still the primary evidence are the birth certificates themselves and their confirmation repeatedly by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor). The Hawaii birth notices are still further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
Over on the claim that Obama’s relatives said that he was born in Kenya: (1) Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya (she in fact said that he was born in Hawaii, repeatedly, but birther sites never quoted her), and (2) the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it is false. Michelle never said it either (she said that Kenya was his home country, which means the place where his ancestors came from).
Obama never said it either. The video you refer to is a FORGED video (I have seen the original from which it was made.). Oh, and Kenya was in existence in 1961, it was The Kenya Colony. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and with the Kenyan government saying that Obama was not one of them, and the Hawaii government saying repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, the “born in Kenya” story is the nuttiest of all the birther myths. (The “birth certificate” with the footprint is a forgery, BTW, done by a guy who claimed to have gotten it in Kenya, but who has constantly refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya.)
I am not a “birther expert” but I am an expert in photoshop, adobie illustrator and adobe in-design and i know for a fact that they did not have photoshop in 1961. if it was an origional, there would not be layers in the document, it would be a 1 dimensional copy
Whether the bogus BC proves him eligible or not it does do one thing – it proves a blatant attempt at deceit. The Lib-Whimseys can “cite” what they want but that BC was forged and forged in an obvious way. I listen to the expert investigators on this issue NOT politicians or amateurs like ellen or even Ann Coulter.
This was a deliberate act to throw the hounds off his trail and it FAILED. That “certificate of live birth” was forged, forged, phony according to experts in the field of document authenticity. That’s good enough for me.
I could not care less what politicians and political activists say.
What “expert investigators?” Paul Irey, who continued to claim that Obama did not attend Columbia College, even after Columbia University said that he did? Or how about Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such biased people and nuts as these that the birthers have relied on for their “experts,” and they have not shown you such real experts as these:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Lightning, Obama’s forged BC is a one dimensional fabricated document like ellen is a one dimensional person fabricating lies about Obama! She must really love Obama. Why? Does she care about the thousands of black babies that are aborted every year? Probably not! The only people the liberals care about are the ones that grow up to be leftists just like them and the government schools are making sure that happens.
The PDF image of Obama’s long form birth certificate has layers, and in fact layers are normal in PDF.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by:
(1) his Hawaii birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country late in pregnancy—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
ellen said…”The answer is that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have claimed that it is forged, and they are not believed—with good reason–by such conservative leaders as the National Review and Ann Coulter and Paul Ryan. And birther sites simply have not shown you all the experts who say that it is not forged. Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers.”…
You are a COMPULSIVE LIAR LIKE YOUR MASTER B.H.O aka Barry Soetoro; there is not experts that has said that the birth certificate is not forged, they do not want to compromise their credibility, the EVIDENCE IS TO CLEAR that is a crude FORGERY, and NO ONE BUT BARRY is using a FRAUDULENT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER which is CRIME OF FRAUD AN FEDERAL FELONY, Obama belong on a FEDERAL PRISON.
Re: “there is not experts that has said that the birth certificate is not forged…”
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Millions of people have errors in their Social Security numbers.
Ellen just wants the attention. She know Obama is not legitimate. She knows. Have you ever heard the phrase “argue with a sign post? This ellen thing is a prime example.
The above is another example of why Ann Coulter and the National Review call birthers crazy. blackyb claims that I know that Obama is not legitimate. In fact, I know, and I have shown evidence, that Obama IS legitimate—since he actually was born in Hawaii, and since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. And, not only I know that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, but the National Review and Ann Coulter and Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and John McCain and Gingrich and Santorum know it too.
ON January 4, the US Congress counted the votes of the Electoral College. The result: Obama won every single one of the 332 Electoral Votes that he won in the general election. Not one single elector changed her or his vote from Obama to Romney. Not one single elector refused to vote or voted for a candidate other than Obama and Romney. The same thing in fact happened in 2008 and in 2012. Not one single elector in the 532 electors in the country in either 2008 or 2012 changed her or his vote because of the claims of birthers. Not one single member of Congress objected to the count or claimed that Obama was not eligible.
The reason that no one in the US Electoral College changed a vote and not one member of Congress objected is that (1) not one of them believes the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country; and (2) not one of them believe the crazy birther theory that two citizen parents are required to make a Natural Born US Citizen since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
Also, I have cited facts. For example, here is a link to the most recent confirmations of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, which has included officials of both parties:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961 and writing home about it to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Exactly. All ‘facts’ are from questionable lefty sources to say the least. Most of her proclaimed ‘facts’ are years old and have been debunked. Most of you are well beyond the time frame this troll is re-hashing. You’re wasting time. It’s only purpose is to rehash old lefty, previously debunked, topics. It’s called distraction.
Stop feeding the trolls. You’re light years ahead of it.
Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election. Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawaii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
Power to you Joe and Mike — Don’t give up , give out or give in .
Bring him DOWN !! You have many prayers and I hope financial help coming . V
Do all of you remember when Sheriff Arpaio was a national hero for being tough on criminals? Back then his integrity was not questioned. He was rightly seen as an honorable man serving his constituents in a no nonsense way. But now that he has discovered a problem with the integrity and honor of a criminal holding the office of ??? PRESIDENT!!??; The Public Enemy #1 he is now a scumbag and rabble rouser in the eyes of the brainless, Godless left.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Let us not forget (in hindsight that B.O. is a person’s nasty smell that can be got rid of by bathing, masking or washing. OBummer is in Wash(ington) so guess where the bad smell is!!
I have to give ellen credit. she/he is sure a believer and persistent. Wrong, but persistent. It’s clear that ellen isn’t interested in viewing the Sheriff Arpaio cold case posse evidence with an unbiased eye because that evidence of a computer generated forged birth certificate is undeniable. Since it was posted by the While House a felony has been committed and since Obama himself said it was his true birth certificate, he is a guilty party to the fraud. It needs to be mentioned that not a single credible expert forensic examiner has ever handled the “birth certificate” and verified it’s authenticity. It is only in the form of a supposedly real document that was supposedly scanned and then posted on the internet.
Examination of the document posted reveals that it is a composite of many pieces, not a single scanned document. This would be impossible if it was authentic.
Sheriff Joe is a nut. And the evidence that he shows is simply the “birther experts” of WND, who have not shown that they are even experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why the ‘birther experts” and Sheriff Joe are not believed by the National Review, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck—or McCain, Romney, Ryan, Gingrich and Santorum.
Here is what the National Review says about Sheriff Joe:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Obama’s short-form birth certificate is indeed computer generated, because it is supposed to be computer generated. The procedure for creating it is that a clerk looks at the documents in the files and enters the facts from them onto the computer form which generates the short-form BC. That is how it works. For it to work, of course, there has to be a document in the files, and that is indeed what the clerk saw and copied the facts from and that was confirmed by the Republican officials in Hawaii.
Obama’s long-form BC is not computer generated, it is a photocopy onto security paper of the original document in the files, and the process of copying it that way and sending to Obama was attested to by the director of health of Hawaii. Obama showed both the actual physical copy of it to the press, and the image of it on the Web. The image on the web is, duh, a computer image. The process of scanning it and putting it into PDF may in some ways enhance it. But it is not forged.
. And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
Re: “Examination of the document posted reveals that it is a composite of many pieces, not a single scanned document.”
Answer. It is a single scanned document. The claim that it is a composite of many pieces is another birther claim without any substantiation.
Re; “It needs to be mentioned that not a single credible expert forensic examiner has ever handled the “birth certificate” and verified it’s authenticity.”
Answer: The reason is, guess what, no birther site ever even asked to see the physical document, the official physical copy in the White House. They have contented themselves with making claims about the image of the document. Why have the contented themselves with making claims about the image of the document? Because if they asked for the physical BC and took it to an accredited document examiner, such as one from the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners or the American Society of Questioned Document Experts or the Association of Forensic Document Examiners—-they fear that the birth certificate would be found NOT to have been forged at all.
So, birther “experts” make claims about the image and birther sites do not, and have not ever, asked to see and examine the official physical copies of either the short form BC or the long form BC.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by the official birth certificates, short-form and long-form, and from the repeated confirmation of the facts on them from the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii), and from:
(1) the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and as the name indicates, and as both the DOH and the papers have confirmed, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the newspapers, and the DOH only did so for births IN Hawaii) and
(2) from the public Index Data file of Hawaii, and
(3) from the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, and
(4) from the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country and very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961, and
(5) from the fact that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya but said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii, and (6) from the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya and found that it was FALSE.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find), and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do the lying.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
I will not feed the trolls, so to you ellen, stay braindead, your obumbles wants it
This site welcomes discussion, so I am not a troll. I simply show the facts. For example:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
And:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
With all your sources being liberal left slanted far beyond any credibility who other than your fellow neurotics could ever relate to your spiel of belligerent verbosity with trust? Just the last 50 years of US political / TV media history can drastically bend your agenda. Without it one merely becomes complicit in the continuing conspiracy.
(1)Could there possibly be any connection to US government officials involved in foreign elections in Kenya?
(2)Would that be the same agency used by Madam Stanley to provide social security records to verify an unused SS account of a deceased holder for her contribution to the expanding fraud?
(3)Could you possibly be inferring that Hawaiian news papers are any more trustworthy than those of the mainland have been since seventeen major daily papers were bought by a millionaire industrialist in a six week period?
(4)Would the fact that Hawaii’s exposed national security risk Department of Health birth certificate come-one-come-all liberalism be reason enough?
(5)Could it be at all possible that Kenyan officials like Obama’s chosen political party have no truthful alternative after being involved in his treasonous foreign campaign activity in Kenya?
(1) Indicating that you still trust the word of any government in collaboration with your hero
(2)Is it not more sustainable to infer that he visited Pakistan with US papers when such was not allowed by Pakistan?
(3)Bud did not the idiot declare in his forged book the birthplace of his chosen father as Kenya?
(4)Would that be such a hard task with a Granny working within a system where any foreign born soul could easily be documented as born in Hawaii with a simple production of two documents?
(5) How about his entire party being complicit in the fraud using altered forms excluding critical information and most of the other being negligent in vetting only their own candidate?
(6)Why not? Such a concocted lie should be much easier to propagate with another liar having even less political comprehension posing it as documented truth in a political smear character assassination of all striving to find any truth in obviously corrupt party politics protected by executive order.of the accused.
Let’s start with this one. “Is it not more sustainable to infer that he visited Pakistan with US papers when such was not allowed by Pakistan?’
Answer; But it WAS allowed by Pakistan. Here are the facts. In 1981, when Obama went to Pakistan, the country was relatively peaceful, and it was a US ally, and it welcomed US citizens with 30-day free visas on arrival. And US newspapers even ran travel articles recommending visiting Pakistan to see “scenic Lahore.” And Pakistan International Airlines had an office on Fifth Avenue in New York and flew from JFK Airport via London to Karachi.
IN short, neither the US government nor the Pakistan government kept US citizens from visiting Pakistan in 1981.
Re: “(1) Indicating that you still trust the word of any government in collaboration with your hero.”
Answer: He’s not my hero. He simply was born in Hawaii. The fact that he was born in Hawaii is confirmed by the government of Hawaii saying he was born there and the government of Kenya saying that he was NOT born there. But that is not all:
Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that he was born there (twice) and: (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Re: “(3)Bud did not the idiot declare in his forged book the birthplace of his chosen father as Kenya?”
Answer: His book says that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, HA. (You are referring to a publicist who admitted making the mistake). How do we know that the publicist made a mistake and did not get it right? Because; (1) the government of Kenya says that he was not born there and (2) the government of Hawaii says that he was born there. (And only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and Obama’s parents and grandparents did not have enough money to send their daughter on a long and risky trip to Kenya when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Re: “(4)Would that be such a hard task with a Granny working within a system where any foreign born soul could easily be documented as born in Hawaii with a simple production of two documents?”
Answer: Only birthers claim that Hawaii granted birth certificates with the words on it “place of birth Honolulu” to children who were not born in Honolulu. In order to get those words, you either had to have been born in a Honolulu hospital, with the signature of a doctor of that hospital (which is what is on Obama’s BC) or if the birth was outside of a hospital, there had to be a witness who would give a signed statement.
Re: “5) How about his entire party being complicit in the fraud using altered forms excluding critical information and most of the other being negligent in vetting only their own candidate?”
Answer: The forms are not altered nor was the Democratic Party any more negligent than the Republican Party (have you ever seen any confirmation forms from the Republican Party?) And, since in fact Obama really was born in Hawaii, there is nothing wrong with the Democrat Party’s confirmation that he is eligible because, duh, he is eligible.
Re: “Could there possibly be any connection to US government officials involved in foreign elections in Kenya?’
Answer: When (1) the government of Kenya says that he was not born there; and (2) only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in that year; and (3) the trip from Hawaii to Kenya was long, risky and expensive and Obama’s relatives did not have that kind of money; and (4) the officials in Hawaii, the index data, the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home all say that he was born in Hawaii—the chance of his being born in Kenya is lower than your chance of winning three major lotteries in a single day.
Re: “6)Why not? Such a concocted lie should be much easier to propagat….”
Answer: I’m not sure what you are getting at. Well, I have answered all of your questions except for that one. So, in return, why not answer a few of mine?
Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election. Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961 in Kenya or in any foreign country, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
Can you comprehend the effect of Rupert Murdock’s PAC contributions to his campaigns would have on the limitations of Fox news content? Fox merely serves as the catchall for all that can no longer swallow the excessive fecal content smeared on the public sandwich. and thereby maintain their advertising market share. With Murdock holding the majority of NewsCorp stock , a Saudi Prince owning the second biggest share and NewsCorp being the parent company of Fox how would you attempt to deny the money trail and think think that the spin stops there? Try WND or Western Center for Journalism to get out of your information coffin.
I am still amazed that such a poor forgery could have been accepted as a “real” document in the first place. Mind you, I do not think that anyone would have bothered looking at any other president’s birth certificates so intently in the past.
This may well be part of a much larger conspiracy, in that, when obummer’s “real birth certificate is presented, (maybe the one under lock and key along with the rest of obummers personal documents), proving that he was born in HI and thus eligible for the position of president.. It may well be another forgery, but a much better and undetectable one. From this, since he has been so badly maligned, Obummer would gain much public sympathy while the birthers would be seen as idiotic conspirators , thus losing credibility.They would also have to admit that they were wrong. Obummer and his controllers would then have a much larger power base with which they could continue their planned destruction of USA,. .
I still fail to see how such an obvious fraud could have been carried out with what appears to be such blatantly false documents, .Of course, the latest birth certificate may well be a fake as well, but it may be an undetectable forgery, thus getting the masses back on his side, along with a good dose of sympathy. His approval rating would skyrocket as the country starts falling around his (rather large) ears. It would then be a cakewalk to declare himself as whatever he wants (probably pharaoh), welcoming the NWO. I hope that I am wrong in my supposition, but it is certainly a possibility.
It is a real document.
The claim that it is “a poor forgery” is based only the findings of other birther “analysts”—who have not shown that they are even analysts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther analysts. And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
What about the simple fact that O’s father was not a citizen of the United States? •Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States.
O’s father was indeed not a citizen of the USA. He was born in Kenya and when Obama was born he was a British citizen. This Obama declared in his book. What you have to grasp is that the citizenship of Obama’s father has absolutely no effect on Obama’s eligibility because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen does not refer to the citizenship of parents, not two parents, not even one parent. Its meaning comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Here is the ruling of the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case (which btw was after Minor v. Happersett) that says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child in the USA with the exception of children born to foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
As you can see, it says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the country except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
And that is what Senators Hatch and Graham say too, and Black’s Law Dictionary, and former Senator Fred Thompson, and nine state and federal courts that have ruled on Obama and McCain, all of which said that the Wong Kim Ark ruling was the key ruling, and none of which, and in fact NO court has said that the Minor v. Happersett ruling is relevant, or that it even required two citizen parents (and, in fact, it doesn’t). Here are a few of the rulings:
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”
The Wall Street Journal put it this way: ” Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”
ellen, your constant hurling of the derogatory slur “birther” destroys your credibility completely. You claim it is your sole right to damn Obama detractors yet demean anyone that questions his eligibility by hanging a purposely demeaning Liberal Label on them. You claim that it is justified because some “birthers” call themselves by that term.
You’re dead wrong. If anyone in this or a different discussion were to identify anyone as the n-word, the entire Leftist attack mob would descend on them in seconds. Yet blacks call each other by that very same disgusting term every day. That label is just as deplorable when applied to ANYONE as “birther” is.
You claim the moral high ground here but your just another petty minded cut and paste Lib Troll who lives in a dream world of rose petals, lies and whimsey.
IGNORE this Useful Idiot, WCJ posters, she doesn’t deserve your attention as long as she ACTS like what she claims to hate. As far as I am concerned she doesn’t exist.
During Prohibition people who were against Prohibition were called by the short-hand expression “Wets.” And people who were in favor of Prohibition were called by the short-hand expression “Drys.” And “Birthers” is merely a short-hand expression for the long phrase: “People who do not believe that Obama was born in the USA (or that adequate proof has not been provided) and people who do not believe that birth in the USA is sufficient for Natural Born Citizen status but that two US citizen parents are required.” Rather than using that complete phrase, it is acceptable to use the single word “birther.”
Don’t like the word? Think that it means something other than “People who do not believe that Obama was born in the USA (or that adequate proof has not been provided) and people who do not believe that birth in the USA is sufficient for Natural Born Citizen status but that two US citizen parents are required????”
Well, what leads you to that assumption. To be sure, Ann Coulter calls birthers crazy, but I haven’t. If you are ashamed of the term, feeling that some of the other members of the group have given it a bad name, well too bad. I use “birther” merely as a short way of saying “People who do not believe that Obama was born in the USA (or that adequate proof has not been provided) and people who do not believe that birth in the USA is sufficient for Natural Born Citizen status but that two US citizen parents are required.”
You are welcome to call me an Obot, if you desire. (But actually, I do not support Obama all that much. I simply post the facts that he was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born US Citizen due to the Supreme Court having ruled that that term refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents.)
Re “ignore.” That may be excellent advice for other members of your group—”People who do not believe that Obama was born in the USA (or that adequate proof has not been provided) and people who do not believe that birth in the USA is sufficient for Natural Born Citizen status but that two US citizen parents are required”—or birthers for short. But I post for rational people who have not made up their minds and who want to see the facts.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by:
(1) his Hawaii birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu.
Ellen, you are getting as hated as what obummer is. Give it a rest, admit that you have made an error and get on with your life. Have you noticed that no-one here is agreeing with you (I may be wrong, but I will admit to that)
I do not care what you and other birthers on this site feel about me. I simply post for the benefit of any rational person who may be visiting this site and seeking the facts. And all that I do is post the facts. I do not call names.
When Obama was born his father was a poor exchange student, who only could afford to come to America because there was a free flight. His mother was a college student, and his American grandfather was a furniture salesman and his American grandmother was at the time a low-level employee in a bank. NONE of them had enough money or were stupid enough to send Obama’s mother on a long, risky (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) and EXPENSIVE trip to Kenya—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Birthers have to get past that first problem. What is your explanation for it? Did they have enough money? (NO) Were they stupid enough to send their daughter ALONE (WND has proven with a FOIA request that Obama’s father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) on a risky (stillbirths) trip to a foreign country? (Answer, NO).
And, BTW, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya (birthers simply made up that she said it; she in fact said repeatedly that he was born in HAWAII ) And the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that in fact he was NOT born in Kenya.
(The claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged and that he spent millions to keep it and other documents hidden are also made up by birthers.)
The bottom line remains: He was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born US Citizen.
I really think that we have to go after the BIG $$$$$$$$$$$, start with the CPUSA !!
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One woman to another…Ellen, I really feel bad for You! You seem very intent on research,honey, just put all that energy to GOOD use,PLEASE WAKE UP!
Why not press on the fraudulently acquired Social Security number and the forged Selective Service Card?
If anyone who has a black father can show their father’s race as “African” on their legitimate Birth certificate, I would be super surprised. “African” is a nationality! It is not a “Race”!
In 1961, if a person’s father was born inside the U.S. and was “black” and listed as “black” for race of father, the correct data punch code on the birth certificate would have been number “2″ for “Negro.” If the person was “black” and born outside of the US (Africa is outside of the U.S.) the correct code for the race of father would have been number “9″ meaning “Other non-white.” The numerical coding is what determined “race” for data entry statistics.
The significance of this, for those who accept the position that it takes two citizen parents to give birth to a “natural born Citizen,” is that the data entry information is correct for a 1961 birth certificate and it shows that Barry was not a “natural born Citizen,” having only one citizen parent. That being said, nothing can be relied upon from the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth as it is a computer generated forgery.
And, actually, that is what is on Obama’s birth cerificate, the numeral “9″—meaning “other non-white.” And, that was correct because Obamas’ father entered the word “African”–which was allowed, since people could enter any word that they wanted, and the correct coding for “African” was “other non-white.”:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/code-9-the-cold-case-posses-big-lie/
There is NO requirement that a Natural Born Citizen have two citizen parents. Obama has stated repeatedly that his father was not a US citizen. We all know it, nine or ten courts have tried the matter, and they all conclude that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the Wong Kim Ark case and that the term comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
re; ‘African is not a race, it is a nationality.” But people were allowed (and still are) to enter any word that they wanted to to describe their race. No one instructed them what word to use, and there was not a list of races given out. So they could use any word that they wanted, and what was the word that African exchange students generally used to describe their race in the 1960s? AFRICAN. And what was the word that the colonial government used in Kenya (which BTW did exist at the time, The Kenya Colony) to describe the black residents of that territory? AFRICANS.
The published Obama Selective Service card is indeed forged. It was forged by the guy who published it. Obama did not publish it. The guy who published it claimed that he got it from the Selective Service Administration back during the Bush Administration. Obama did not give it to him. So, unless Obama somehow forged the card and inserted it in the Selective Services files, which would be difficult, the only source of the forgery is either the Selective Service Administration itself (and during the Bush Administration), or the guy who posted it. Birthers have forged various Obama documents before, such as the “Kenyan birth certificate.”
Millions of people have errors in their SS numbers. That is why no one in Congress wants to investigate this story. If they thought there was a shred of evidence, the Republicans would have been glad to investigate it back during the Presidential election—cause how could they lose if they could prove that Obama forged his SS number? But they didn’t do anything. Why not? Well because there is no EVIDENCE. Just having the SS number from the wrong state is not evidence of fraud because of the millions of errors.
Wow I don’t believe some of what I’m reading,The man has a forged birth certificate,his draft regeristration card is a forged docment, his social security number belongs to someone else, and yet just because the msm said he was born in Hawaii you believe it…You can call me what you want to,but I have never saw any concrete proof of where he was born,nor have you,Just what his media has put out…Why all the fake paper work?Why seal his records,His grandmother in Kenya said she was at Obama’s side when he was born, in Kenya,I don’t know where people gets he was born in Hawaii…Why are people so trusting?Why don’t people want to know the truth?Whether he is or not..Besides before this next term is up I bet a lot of people will want to know more about him,so far he has did nothing for the American people,But look at what he has did for the Muslims,and foreign countries at your expence..Next years tax time will get the Obama lovers attention,everyone will pay for him to play…Face the truth see if he is the man you think he is..People are very misinformed about this man.(you may think I am but I believe in facts) and so far there are none to prove me wrong, and none to prove you are right…
His draft card was indeed forged. it was forged by the birther who posted it. Millions of people have errors in their SS files, and Obama’s birth certificate is not forged.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by:
(1) the birth certificate, short form and long form—-of which Obama showed both the images on the Web and the actual physical copies on security paper with the seal affixed; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya”story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Obama’s birth certificate is not forged.
One proof that it is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate, which was published back in June 2008 and which the Republican officials confirmed that they had sent to Obama and that the facts on it, that he was born in Hawaii in 1961, were accurate:
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
Moreover, birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
Right on, Troy….Arpaio is NOT a dummy!!
Re Arpaio not being a dummy. “Dummy” would be a polite term:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
Besides me, who would like Ellen banned from this blog?
Cannot really ban her (I assume female), but can ignore her (him). The only one that seems to believe the lies of Obama. Is she a shill? I do not trust her comments. Is s(he) one of those people who thinks that if they continue to make false claims people will begin to believe her (his) side of the story?
I’m not making false claims. I am citing the obvious facts. Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly.
If you really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:
Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
you just cannot admit the fact that you are (or maybe) wrong. I have not seen any one else sharing your views on this website.
I do not post for you. I post for any rational person who might be visiting this site. Besides, we all can see that you are not discussing the facts, only claiming that I am wrong.
Well, just answer these two questions: (1) How could Obama really be born in a foreign country if no travel document for Obama such as being entered on his mother’s US passport has been found, AND the officials of the Republican party in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii? And (2) What gives you the idea that Obama’s parents and grandparents were rich enough (and his American grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time and his grandmother was a low level employee in a bank) or stupid enough to send their daughter late in pregnancy on a long, expensive and risky (stillbirths were high in those days) trip to a foreign country——when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii?
Nearly a month has passed, and no one has answered the questions yet.
OK!!! THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN NOW SO WE GONNA KEEP THE GRAND STANDING GOING ON, sEND THIS TO THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL MASHELLS OFFICE THEY HAVE MORE POWER THEN THE FBI, IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A WHITE PRESIDENT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DONE DEAL BY NOW BUT THEN ODUMBO WILL BE PLAYING THE RACE CARD OVER AND OVER AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE IT HAS TO DO WITH BREAKING THE LAW PERIOD
It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the simple fact that Obama actually was born in Hawaii. What you claim has been proven has not been proven. In fact, just the reverse has been proven. That is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Gingrich and Santorum do not believe the birther claims, not one of them.
Could this be because they are all NWO advocates? I now expect you to reply that the president i(questionable) is not a NWO advocate. Irrespective of the question of his legibility for the position of POTUS, what has he done that is NOT controversial for the good of your average citizen?
Do not offer Ellen any further opportunities to spew misinformation. I know her real identity, she is none other than the paid political Democratic operative Ellen Ratner. Her mission is to continue the spreading of lies and misinformation. She is on the Obama payroll, Ellen and her staff are charged with the continuance of mudding the waters and to sow hopelessness in upright Americans like those on this blog. All honest upright people know the truth, that Obama is a fraud and is not legally POS, his school records have to this date been hidden at great expense because of the obvious, they show him to be what he is a Manchurian President. Stop it now Ellen Ratner you are not fooling us.
Antiop, you’re spot on with your assessment of “ellen”. I’ve been trying to warn everybody for the past few wks. now that she was a paid troll. She’s working out of an ofc. along with about 15 others (many of whom worked for Acorn) that do nothing but disseminate disinformation in an effort to diffuse, distract and distort the truth. The libs can’t deny the truth and all they can do is try and create an environment of confusion, hoping that most of the Sheeple will get too frustrated to continue investigating what is real and just remain ignorant.
Actually, I am not paid, and if I were (or if you were), it still would not change the facts. You notice that I only post facts and never call names. I do not post for your benefit, but simply in case a rational person is visiting this site and seeks the facts. I will now post the citations which will allow anyone to check out the facts for themselves:
Here is something that you are unlikely to see on any birther site:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
All of these are confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii. I can also show the transcript of the interview in which birthers claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. It shows that she actually said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii. And, here is the comment of the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, saying that it had checked out the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, and that it is false:
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Birthers apparently claim that all these people, including the former Republican governor of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. But, for that to be the case, not only must they all be lying, but that Obama’s parents and grandparents were rich enough (they weren’t. Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time and his grandmother as a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) or nutty enough to send Obama’s mother late in pregnancy on a long, expensive, and highly risky (the incidence of stillbirths was high in those days) trip to a foreign country, ALONE (since it has been proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
There have also been some birther lies that attempt to muddy the water. For example, birthers say that the current governor of Hawaii, Abercrombie, said that he could not find Obama’s birth certificate. But he never said any such thing. And they said that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that his birth certificate was forged, but again, she never said any such thing. And the produce “experts” who claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, but then they are birther “experts”—one of whom claims to have found “the original altar of Abraham” and another of whom has said repeatedly that Obama did not attend Columbia College (despite Columbia University saying that he did attend, and that he graduated).
The bottom line is that it is not rational to believe the combination of (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough and stupid enough to send her on that long, risky and expensive trip alone; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home ALL be lying.
Ok, so folks, you’ll notice of the claims that I made against her, the only one she disputed was the part about being paid. Not the fact that she works out of an ofc. with other ex-Acorn libtards. Also, nothing about not being a “troll” for the POSER POTUS. What’s the matter ellen, can’t keep your lies striaight???
Re “not the ‘fact’ that she works out of an office.”
Sorry, I must have missed it. Not only am I not paid, but I do NOT work out of an office (any office), and I do not work with ex-Acorn libtards or current Acorn libtards. I have never met a person who worked for Acorn, and in fact I have only seen the name Acorn on line (other than to be the nut of the oak tree). And, as you can see, I post only the facts. i have shown some of the facts directly above.
The bottom line remains that it is not rational to believe the combination of the following two things (and BOTH of them would have to be true for Obama to have been born in a foreign country: (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough (and his grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time, and in 1961 his grandmother was only a low-level employee in a bank) and stupid enough to send Obama’s mother late in pregnancy on that long, risky (the incidence of stillbirths were high at the time) and expensive trip alone (Obama’s father has been shown with a FOI Act request to have stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.
Both of those would have to be true for Obama to have been born in a foreign country. BOTH of them. And, btw, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he as born in Kenya (that was made up just the way the “Layer admitted” claim was made up), and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated, and that Obama certainly was not born there.
You can continue to make claims about my place of work, or you can respond to these facts.
Actually, I am not paid, and if I were (or if you were), it still would not change the facts. You notice that I only post facts and never call names. I do not post for your benefit, but simply in case a rational person is visiting this site and seeks the facts.
Here is something that you are unlikely to see on any birther site:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
All of these are confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii. I can also show the transcript of the interview in which birthers claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. It shows that she actually said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii. And, here is the comment of the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, saying that it had checked out the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, and that it is false:
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
Birthers apparently claim that ALL these people, including the former Republican governor of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home, are all lying. But, for that to be the case, not only must they all be lying, but that Obama’s parents and grandparents were rich enough (they weren’t. Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time and his grandmother as a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) or nutty enough to send Obama’s mother late in pregnancy on a long, expensive, and highly risky (the incidence of stillbirths was high in those days) trip to a foreign country, ALONE (since it has been proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
There have also been some birther lies that attempt to muddy the water. For example, birthers say that the current governor of Hawaii, Abercrombie, said that he could not find Obama’s birth certificate. But he never said any such thing. And they said that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that his birth certificate was forged, but again, she never said any such thing. And the produce “experts” who claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, but then they are birther “experts”—one of whom claims to have found “the original altar of Abraham” and another of whom has said repeatedly that Obama did not attend Columbia College (despite Columbia University saying that he did attend, and that he graduated).
The bottom line is that it is not rational to believe the combination of (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough and stupid enough to send her on that long, risky and expensive trip alone; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home ALL be lying.
Here are a few more links to the facts:
Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961, and writing home about the birth to a woman named Stanley, to her father, also named Stanley:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
Here is the link to the statement by the embassy of Kenya:
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
She so manages to get up people’s noses with her pro-obamaisms (is that a new word?) that she has to be a troll. Absolutely no-one else on this forum has agreed with her despite her efforts to the contrary. Any sane person would give it up as a bad joke, but not her (sorry, or him!). It has been interesting to follow this and I wonder if she will make further comment. I doubt it!
I do not post for your benefit or for the benefit of zealous birthers in general. I simply post the facts for the benefit of any rational person who may be visiting this site and seeking the facts. I have shown the facts and links to documents proving them above.
And, the bottom line remains that it is not rational to believe the combination of (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough and stupid enough to send her on a long, risky and expensive trip to a foreign country alone—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home and the relatives who never said that he was born in Kenya (but said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii) are ALL lying.
That should read: “1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough and stupid enough to send their daughter on a long, risky (incidence of stillbirths were high in those days) and expensive trip to a foreign country alone (and a FOI Act request has shown that Obama senior remained in Hawaii throughout 1961)——when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii. “
Dear Ms Ellen Ratner, You can continue to obfuscate with your wordy smokescreens disguised as facts or you can just come to the realization that your boss is surely destroying the Constitution and the fabric of America. Nothing you say can change THOSE facts. In addition it makes perfect sense that a man who sees himself as a self appointed savior who is charged to fundamentally change America…..would have no compunction falsifying documents as to his country of origin as just ANOTHER means to an end. Just like the cynically designed Fast & Furious operation was set up to take away our second Amendment rights and the nefarious Benghazi tragedy where American lives were sacrificed to advance the Obama 2nd term and God knows what else. By the way Rocquedog makes an excellent point Ellen..you did fail the lie detector test when you were rightly profiled as an ACORN boiler room drone. It also should be noted that you have never denied being Ellen Ratner either!!
I disagree, and his approval rating is at 51% and the stock market is going up, very strongly. In any case, my liking or disliking Obama, or your liking or disliking him, do not and cannot change the facts which we were discussing: (1) He was indeed born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials and the Index Data and the birth notices in the papers in 1961 sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii all show; (2) the meaning of Natural Born Citizen has been defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to refer to the PLACE of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
I am not Ellen Ratner. (Of course, she has not denied being me. Do you think that the fact that she has not denied it makes her me?)
The fact that you may or may not be Ellen Ratner is beside the point….In your obsession with proving Oblama’s birthplace you failed to address the most important issue, Is the current occupant of the White House destroying the very fabric of America or not? Well……… we are all waiting Ellen. Please spare us the endless regurgitation of afterbirth proof. Approval ratings and the health of the Stock Market have nothing to do with the systematic destruction of the very fabric of America and the Judeo Christian ethics our country were founded on. It really doesn’t matter where you where born if you are bend on self aggrandizement, power and the fundamental destruction of our way of life. If you’ll recall history, there were also a majority of people(51%?) who adulated Hitler and blindly enjoyed the fruits of Germany’s thriving economy. Another shadowy figure named Bernie Madeoff denied perpetrating fraud and in fact showed paper profits for his victims as proof!…do you think that the fact he denied being a thief made him an honest man? The truth will come out eventually Ellen, in the mean time you are wasting your time “Prooving” others right or wrong according to the letter of the law. You my dear have entirely ignored the spirit of the law. Good Night Ratner.
Re: “you failed to address the most important issue, Is the current occupant of the White House destroying the very fabric of America or not? Well……… we are all waiting Ellen. ”
Answer. No. NO. No, he is not.
Ratner-It follows then, that you are not as intelligent as you make yourself out to be……politically or otherwise.
You are only worth one word responses from here forward….here is my response describing you today;
PROPAGANDIST