By Drew Zahn, World net Daily
The announcements of Barack Obama’s birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii’s Department of Health.
"We don’t have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.
The operator said, "This is how we’ve always done it." The newspaper’s "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.
Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.
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Thanks for deleting the truth.
Everyone knows future BO [still smoking] traveled back in his as yet developed 'way-back' machine [what do you think all that 'stimulus' $ was really for?] and placed that himself. Ha!
His evil machinations are the only 'transparent' part of his administration.
What a joke. I've never seen a bigger group of sour grapes than the one the voters booted out of office last year. You just can't get over the fact that the people of this country spoke loudly with the elections on 2008 when they threw the Republican party out of the business of our country. The damage caused was devestating. All the right wingers want is for Obama to fail whatever way they can make it happen. It's obvious, clear, and stated outright by so many..WE WANT HIM TO FAIL. Period.
if george bush didnt have his long form there would be riots in the streets . so it doesnt have anything to do with sour grapes , the demoncats would explode if george bush hid so much info
Figure it out, people… his last name is O'Bama. He was obviously born in Ireland.
lol what a bunch of losers!
I wonder why your organization, during last year's presidential campaign, did not question the U.S. citizenship of John McCain, who was born in Panama while his father was stationed there. Might it have something to do with Sen. McCain's being white and a Republican?
Hey, stop bigotry, try Stopping stupidity. I guess you don't know about SR 511. Try sticking that in your search engine.
Funny you should mention that, because there were Congressional hearings that examined McCain's birth and determined he was eligible. The same thing was never conducted which is all we are asking for from Obama.
Ha, because he was born IN the United States and didn't need such a Congressional hearing. I think its funny that you use the monkey image without realizing that YOU are the monkey. Any website that starts out with "Today I seen this photo" must accept that a monkey has better grammar. Good luck monkey
The same process cannot be conducted for Obama because it is not the same situation. One individual was born in Panama, the other was born in Hawaii.
And while the newspaper report may not "count" as full proof, it also would never have gotten through if he was born OUT of the United States, just due to a lack of technological resources as the time. It would've taken much longer.
Just looking through more sites and noticed that some people don't believe the "certification" is real (because it's supposed to say "certificate") while others do believe it's real, because it IS supposed to say "certification."
This is all tremendously interesting, but really silly.
Let me get this straight….these newspaper reports were placed in the papers forty years ago by someone who had a crystal ball…who looked into that crystal ball and realized that Barack Obama would one day become the U.S. President and would need the newspaper reports as a "cover story" to prove he was born in the U.S. because a bunch of people wouldn't believe the actual birth records from Hawaii. So this bunch of people that do not believe the actual records from Hawaii are legitimate no also don't believe the newspaper reports prove anything either. This would be funny if it were not so frightening…that people could be so blinded by hatred as to want to believe this. If these people don't like Obama's policies they have the right to work against them. But to delude themselves with paranoid fantasies is really pathological and frightening.
Amen!
I am sure his mother (very well aware he was born in Kenya) had her own political agenda. It was probably tough back then having a bi-racial child, let alone a NON-CITIZEN bi-racial child. What better way to make that situation go away than with a birth announcement in the local paper – who would question that (back in the 60's)…………………. apple doesn't fall far from the tree as far as the "lies" beginning with his mother!
That's just idiotic! As long as you have resided in Hawaii for at least one year you can register a birth in Hawaii even if the child is born in a foreign country.That is in the Hawaiian citizenship laws. So even if Obama was born in Kenya all she would need do is send a telegram to O's grandma in Hawaii and she could register the child in Hawaii for her. It takes 7-10 days for a COLB to come back from the St. Dept. of Vital Records and approx. the same time for the State Office to submit the birth announcements to the newspaper. The COLB and the NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ARE PROOF OF A HAWAIIAN 'REGISTERED' BIRTH but are not proof of WHERE the child was born.
losers!
Do any of you birthers think you could measure up to the same burden of proof you are obsessed with about Barack Obama? My daughter's issued birth certificate is stated as a true copy of the original on file in the department of vital statistics because NO original birth certificates are ever released, yours included. You people would be comical if your obsessions with Obama weren't so irrational and bigoted.
That's not true…. I have the "origional" copy of my birth "certificate". Not a computer generated "certification" that claims the long form exists somewhere. I used it for pee wee baseball…. ski rental when I was under 16…. my drivers license…. registering for the draft…..etc…..etc…..etc. Until I'm dead I will have to show, and will be able to show my birth certificate just like all American citizens.
you birthers are a scary group. You are the type who end up in militia groups running around the woods with beer guts planning against your own government. We need to tone down the extreme views and get to objective arguments. There is no logic in what you claim
Why are non-birthers getting so hysterical, ugly and insulting about birthers? They are convinced they are right and that Soetoro is actually a citizen and they have all the proof they need. So what's their problem? It must be the fear of the birthers actually proving he isn't eligible that has them up in arms.
It *must* be. And envy of your obviously delusional mind.
They know we're right….. When they're required to provide their birth certificate they do without the 1.4 million dollars of legal fees cuz' they don't feel like presenting it.
I think his mother travelled to Kenya for the summer of 1961, had the baby, returned to Hawaii and registered him as American-born, not because he is nor because she had the notion that he may some day become the first illegitimate president but because she wanted him to have the nationality. She might have had a fight on her hands with BO Sr being moslem and wanting to keep his son.
I am adopted and the name on my “short” birth certificate differs from my original one. It is noted on my original that I was born X, adopted and became Y. My “short” certificate only refers to me as Y. Unless I produce my original no-one would ever know.
Funny how people opposed to having Obama qualified don't know or ignore the fact that the Constitution states that a president elect should be qualified and Obama never was. To demand that the Constitution be upheld and that Congress do their job and for Obama to follow the Constitution is not addressed. Just some partial birth document without information to state which hospital or what doctor attended the birth and what address of the parent the time of the birth is supposed to do for the requirements of meeting a natural born citizen when the available information does not prove that since both parents or at least the father must be citizens for someone to be a natural born citizen.
Wow, you people are WACKOS!!!!
I am sure that 46 years ago Obama's mother and father planned this whole thing, I heard they visited a witch doctor who looked into the future and told them how their son would be President if they faked his birth record.
I love the comment about "Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, "
When that wasn't put into effect decades after Obama was born and has the place of birth put down not the island or state but the foreign country and is only for US citizens who have children born abroad. Other states have a similar law. This law didn't take effect until 1982 which is what the law states. See state laws often have a number in them that tells when the law was passed and if it is amending a prior law. The L 1982 means the law was passed in 1982 which was 21 years after he was born and his birth certificate info was registered with the state health department four days after he was born which is usually the amount of time they register births in. .
Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child… [L 1982, c 182, §1]
Seems the author of this piece didn't do one single piece of fact checking.
Birthers would make really good atheists.
"Prove he's real!"
(proof)
"Okay, prove THAT proof is real!"
http://www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
I agree. Check this site. http://www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com
McCain had to produce his long form birth certificate. Obama did not and still has not. Instead her has spent millions of dollars to hid all his records.
You do realize that even if (big if) he was born in Kenya, his mom is an American citizen, therefore making him American. John McCain was born in Panama, that is the truth. Do you not think that the Secret Service and CIA look into everyone who is running to make sure they have the credentials? This is the stupidest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. Yeah, he lived in Indonesia for a while when he was a kid, that doesn't make him an Indonesian citizen. mattlawing@gmail.com
You need to stop trying to be logical with people who are controlled by hate and bigotry. This has always been about race, from day one, so this will not go away.
If you read his birth certificate ,He has African for his race, If he was born in America His race would be Mulatto ,Look it up!
Finally some one has "Listened to his words comming out of his teleprompters mouth?What Ghost writter and famed selfdescribed terrorist that said: (Guilty as hell and not one day in jail )rewrote a book that Obama himself defaulted on a contract to submitted a "Rough draft "and had to return some of the money,because he couldn't.Now if they can read the Contitution of America and read with understanding that a 5th grader has then we will be ask for and demand his proof of Natural Borne just like the Supreme Court did to John McCain?Then I would have a few questions for Pelosi and Ried? How they submitted (2) DNC to register his name as a candidate had the Contitutional lanuage required for each state to vote him on their ticket? Theirs a smoking gun a commin? and I hope I see the american people rise up and ask him before the comming election to show us the proof of his elligibilty
It would be interesting to find out if the State Department has any documentation that Obama's mom entered the U.S. (Hawaii) via the Honolulu Airport. She had to have her passport stamped. The question is: was it stamped after August 4, 1961 and did she have a "bundle of joy" with her when she returned from Africa?
This is the best comedy website ever! I love you guys at the Onion!
There are enough examples of proof that Barack Obama was born in the US that even the staunchly conservative speaker of the house John Boehner believes it, perhaps you cannot read or just don't understand what "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" means, but the meat of the matter is that:
Obama was born on U.S. soil — in Honolulu, Hawaii — and was therefore a citizen from birth by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment (and the principle of jus soli 'Look it up').
Furthermore here is the link to the image of the Birth certificate proving that he was born there: http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/x/0/1/obama_b…
Finally, if that is too cut and dried for you and you really have to be a bigot and say that he had that forged in order to run for the presidency, On November 9, 2008, in response to persistent rumors, the Honolulu Advertiser posted on its web site a screenshot of its August 13, 1961 birth announcement taken from its microfilmed archives. Now, perhaps he used his genie islam magic to time travel and call in the Birth announcement to his hometown's paper, Maybe his mom had super foresight and called it in so her son could go for the Oval Office, or maybe, Just Maybe you're just a Bigot who hates the fact that he has a black man as his president and you just NEED to cause a ruckus.
The original birth certificate was presented today. How come there is not a second witness nor a third witness on the certificate? All you see is one name of the issuer, Alvin T., Onaka the registrar!
Did the Hawaii state Registrar, Onaka, fail to look under the name of Soetora to see if anything was filed under that name?
If Obama was adopted by his step-father Soetoro there would be a second birth certificate. Was this Alvin T. Onaka paid off to not submit the second birth certificate?
This battle isn't over yet America! I smell a rat big time.
Obama was not adopted. The Indonesian government has said that he was not adopted in Indonesia. To be adopted in Hawaii requires the action of a district court, and no court documents have been found.
Birthers have checked on whether there are any birth records for Soetoro in Hawaii in 1961–and there weren't any.
In addition to Onaka, there is the signature of the doctor and the district registrar right on the page.
And the facts on Obama's birth certificateS were confirmed by three Republican officials in Hawaii. And there were notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, and they were not ads (Hawaii newspapers did not run birth notice ads in those days). They were only publication of the official notices sent out by the government of Hawaii, which did not send them out for births outside of Hawaii. And the government insisted on witnesses whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
Finally, IF a child were born outside of the USA, she or he would need either a US visa or to be entered on the mother's US passport to get to the USA. Either would have had to have been applied for in the foreign country, and the application would still exist–and no such document has been found.
Read what an ADOPTEE posted:
"I am adopted and the name on my “short” birth certificate differs from my original one. It is noted on my original that I was born X, adopted and became Y. My “short” certificate only refers to me as Y. Unless I produce my original no-one would ever know. " RSA9999 http://www.WesternJournalism.com
Stupid woman. Birth certificates do not have witnesses.The only signatures on most certificates are those of the mother, the father and the attending doctor.
I am sure you hate Obama and that has unhinged whatever remains of your brain.
The name Soetoro would not be on the certificate because Mr. Soetoro was not on the scene when our president was born.
GIve it up lady you only show your stupidity and your racism.
I'll bet if John McCain had been elected you would have had no problem with the fact that he was born in Panama. But then John McCain is a white man and you can't bear to see a black family in the White House..