1991 Harvard Law Review BIO claims Obama born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia.
This is old news, the publishers of his books, that were really written by Bill Ayer’s said that they made a mistake in his bio when they stated that he was born in Kenya. The truth is that was not a mistake and he was indeed hatched in Kenya.
Barack Obama Senior is not his father, Frank Marshal Davis is in all probability his sperm donor, and they had to find a new father since Frank Marshal Davis was a full blown Muslim communist and that would never do for the future president selected by the,” Committee,” to be president of the United States.
His mother also renounced her US citizenship and Obamas
She also never added him to her passport before she took him to Indonesia, which was required by Federal passport laws. Instead, she went to the consulate in Jakarta and tried to add him after the fact, but never had his birth certificate to show for proof of citizenship. Passport office denied her add-on application. Obama could be gone in 5 minutes if Zullo would drag the Passport legal office to a hearing. They can verify he’s not a US citizen, never had a US passport as a child, and Zullo has the documents because I gave them to him. All I can figure is they really don’t want Obama to go. And Sen. Graham knows as well, because I gave the documents to him too. All these investigators know the truth, they just don’t want you hearing it. And I quit writing for the Western Center, because it’s like talking to the wall.
Why would she do that?
Lou, I know what you are saying and its not just this page. It seems everybody whos not hanging on nobamas every word like love sick groupies knows this and tries to inform people who have deaf ears.
I keep writing it and I write nobama about it to. Of course hes never answered 1 letter.
The fact of the matter is the mans ineligible to be president of the USA, and he should be ousted now, not 10 mins from now. The big moneys wants him in there, I think because hes such an easy mark for them.
Re: “His mother also renounced her US citizenship and Obamas…”
Answer: No she didn’t, and where Obama was concerned, she COULDN’T. It is not legally possible for parents or any adult to renounce the citizenship of a US child. Only an adult can renounce citizenship and only IN WRITING before the correct US official, overseas a US consul, and no such written statement has been found for Obama’s mother or for Obama.
This flyer was created by Acton & Dystel to promote barack Obama for his books he planned to write.
He was paid to write a work about Black something like all Blacks want to do. But instead he took the Money and wrote one of his War and Peace Biographies, you know the epic kind that all 30 year olds can write, you know like Alexander the Great or George Washington.
BARACK OBAMA’S LITERARY BIOS, WRITTEN BY HIMSELF, for Acton & Dystel, IT SAYS ‘BORN IN KENYA and raised in Indonesia”.
Barack Obama’s Literary Bios was written by himself, don’t believe the LIE: “he did not write it”.
HIS MOTHER was a WHORE and would bop anyone
if you indeed did give these documents then you owe it to the country to come out with this. Hold a press conference or whatever you have to do. Your post here is first
step. now make it known big time
No, Janet, she did not. And a parent CANNOT under ANY circumstance renounce their child’s US citizenship. No one can ever renounce somebody else’s citizenship; US law is very clear that renunciation of citizenship can only be done by the person holding that citizenship.
The MSM ‘rolled over’, on this issue long ago. Save the hard copies for legacy writing time. That is unless he makes the documents illegal to own, then the value on Ebay goes way up.
Quit saying that Davis was his father. He was the son of B. Obama Sr., and was raised in foreign countries and never had US Citizenship. He needs to resign and all of his laws and anything he signed into law while in office, needs to be revoked and nullified! He is NOT QUALIFIED TO BE A U.S. PRESIDENT! WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THIS GO! THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN THAT WILL FINISH HIS LIES TO THE US. PUBLIC OFF! HE WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE LAND NOW CALLED KENYA WAS A BRITISH COLONY, NOT KENYA WHEN HE WAS BORN THERE. THUS HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO REFUTE THAT TECHNICALITY, WHICH HAS BEEN TAKEN AS A CERTAINTY THAT HE WAS NOT BORN IN KENYA. WELL, TECHNICALLY, HE WASN’T, BUT IT WAS STILL NOT THE USA AND HE IS NOT AND NEVER WAS A U.S. CITIZEN! HE NEEDS TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY!
Obama promoted his “Kenyan birth” up until 2007. In promoting his book “Dreams from my Father” – he is introduced as a young man born in Kenya to an American mother and a Kenyan father. After 2007, the new copy, he replaced “Hawaii” instead of Kenya. Either he was lying (as he always does) to get ahead, or he lied to cover up his illegal bid for the presidency. Either way, he LIED! Sad thing though, he is protected by the Democrat and GOP!
You birthers really need to give up your delusional fantasies. First of all Kenya was absolutely called Kenya (the British colony of Kenya) from 1920 until it attained independence from Great Britain in 1963. He was born and raised in Hawaii, except for a part of his childhood when he lived in Indonesia, as has been demonstrated and proven over and over again. In any event his birthplace is irrelevant, as his mother was an American citizen, and so, according to the U.S. Constitution, he is one too. It’s time to stop all these far-fetched, racist conspiracy theories already. Obama is the legitimate twice-elected President and will remain so, despite your ridiculous claims.
Joel No one died and named you king.
People can say anything that they want concerning Barry including that he was born in Kenya….
The US Constitution doesn’t mention the mother’s citizenship as being a factor…
Naturalization laws do in the sense that subject and citizen status are determined by the father’s status.
His father was a British subject so his mother US citizenship is not relevant and of course Article II requires the POTUS to be a natural-born citizen so obviously BAs have never read the US Constitution.
Of course it’s never racist ,not far fetched to just declare the facts that Barry ain’t eligible and that you want to defend the US Constitutional requirements that Barry lacks because his father passed on his British subject status to his son Barry II.
Of course being elected doesn’t make Barry eligible….
That’s just ridiculous!
No Jay, you lying buffoon, Obama never “promoted” himself as being born in Kenya. Never in his life did he make such a claim. And his book, “Dreams From My Father”, has NEVER said he was born in Kenya.
Rob, you twit, the Constitution doesn’t mention the father’s citizenship being a factor either. Citizenship status is NOT determined by the father’s status, and you damned well know it.
That was the dust cover of his book, nothing to do with the Harvard Review. Story is utter crap.
Check it out.. Indonesia did not except anyone into there school that was not a Muslim. and if he denounced being a Muslim and become a Christian, he would have been taken care of now by the Muslim brother hood. You apparently are another pedophie Moslim or a supporter of them.. Get out of the U.S.A. You and the likes of all you pedophiles. You are not wanted.
Re: “Check it out.. Indonesia did not except anyone into there school that was not a Muslim.”
Neither that nor the traditional birther claim that Indonesia did not accept anyone into public school who was not an Indonesian citizen is true. It is easy to check, just call up the Indonesian Embassy and ASK:
Phone (202) 775 – 5200—ask for the press officer.
Re: “Liar, liar, Ellen’s pants are on fire! How’s it feel to be affiliated with Obama the liar..”
Obama has lied like other presidents and other politicians, but that does not make him born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged. And Obama has not lied anywhere near as much as birthers have lied about him:
(1) Birthers said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I’ll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)
(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
(3) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?
(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?
(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”
(8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama’s BC—when there weren’t ANY???
(9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.
Since you admit that Barry lies like other politicians…
There is zero reason to take him at his word.
(1) Barry didn’t need to post the form.
The copy of Barry’s draft card was obtained by a FOIA request clear back in 2008.
Dr C also filed a FOIA request and obtained a copy of the same form.
The form was forged by Barry or Barry’s people using a 2008 stamp.
Barry would have needed to register in 1980 and yet Barry was in LA attending Occidental , partying, body surfing, bballing, protesting with the SDS-types until he returned to Hawaii for Christmas…
That means Barry wasn’t in Hawaii at all to be able to fill out and sign the Selective Service app at all…
Barry lied about that too.
(2)The registration from Indonesia demonstrates that Barry was in deed an Indonesian citizen.
(3) Sarah Obama was interviewed by McCrae …The translator McCrae sent filed an affidavit in court telling the story. The details of the story involved Sarah Obama stating the affirmative that Barry was born in Mombasa,Kenya.
(4) The “one digit away” CT zip code didn’t exist in 1978. Obot clerical error lame excuse does not hold water especially since the CT SSN is used on a forged Selective Service app that is stamped with a date the day before it was “signed using a 2008 stamp on the wrong decade’s form.
(5) The Kenyan legislature stated he was born in Kenya several times as they celebrated his “win”.
(6) Lame excuse about the passport. SAO filled out renewal app and had at least 3 different passport numbers.
(7) Barry stated he was born in Kenya,that he takes pride in returning hom while MO states that Barry is Kenyan and that his home country is Kenya… That along with the 1991 bio and Sarah’s quote being vindicated by the 1991 bio…
Means the Obots were always wrong.
(8) Barry posted forgeries and has never produced an actual B/C of any kind because images are not B/Cs.
( 9) Try producing any of Barry’s records from his kindergarten records on.
No one has been labeled as being racist or crazy for questioning either Romney’s or McCain’s eligibility.
Cruz, etc. have had their eligibility questioned also and by Dims to boot…
Not a hint of an accusation by anyone in the Dim party that that is based on racism….
Because like Barry it ain’t.
The records that have been obtained have been records that the Obots forgot to tie up.
Romney and McCain have both posted or had their’s B/Cs posted and their POBs was not in question.
Although McCain was not born in the canal zone as claimed and for McCain despite being born to US citizen parents… Wasn’t eligible because he was born out of the country.
So Obots want to add a little whine along with that list of Obot lame excuses!
Obama Sr is more of a communist than Davis, know your facts… Also, you’re making more speculation than those assuming the douche was born in Kenya. At least there is history showing he was born in Kenya to a Kenyan. What you’re saying is utter nonsense.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.
And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money (Obama’s American grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was just a low-level employee in a bank at the time) or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was NOT born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there aren’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii. Oh, and we do not even know whether Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did), and finally the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for 1961 shows that a grand total of 21 people came to the USA from Kenya that year, and all but one of them by ship—and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.
Re: “Obama promoted his “Kenyan birth” up until 2007. In promoting his book “Dreams from my Father”…”
The book “Dreams from My Father,” published in July 1995 says in it that OBAMA was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. There is, in short, no evidence that Obama either was born in Kenya or that he said that he was born in Kenya. The fact that a publicist made a mistake does not affect either of those two things.
Hi Ellen, I have been missing you. I thought you may have changed your name to “Joan”. Or, do you sometimes write your OBOT writings in that name too?
Four Posts about Obama Not being a USA citizen and the Scum of the Earth and An ILLEGAL ALIEN PRESIDENT.
Barack Obama is the very Person that the Founders of the Federal Government tried to prevent from coming to Power.
Barack Obama is not a USA Citizen.
All of his Identity Documents are fraudulent: either Forged or Stolen.
He is a Muslim/Communist Plant that the Progressives have been Grooming since 1980.
He is EVIL personified.
He was a Crack Addict.
He was a Male Prostitute.
He was born in Kenya.
He became an Indonesian Citizen.
He gave up his USA citizenship.
When in Hawaii, he was a Crack Head.
And supported his Habit by selling his body to rich old white men.
He was a homosexual in Chicago.
Four of his Gay Male Friends at the Rev Wright church were murdered between Nov 2007 and May 2008. All were his Gay Lovers.
One was the man that Scrubbed his passport files that showed he went to
Pakistan and Moscow in 1981, traveling with his very wealthy Pakistani husband Hassan Chandoo.
The Saudi King gave Obama a 20 pound Gold Necklace with a Pentagram Medallion on it. I suppose the Saudi Emblem, but also, Satan’s Pentagram.
I could go on and on.
Read Larry Sinclair’s book, he has all the Phone Receipts and Limo Receipts as
when he called Barack Obama and where the Limo went to pick up Obama and where the Crack Hoer went to get crack and powder Cocaine.
Mia Marie Pope Knows
well, Barack H Obama II, the Crack Head, Male Prostitute, Foreigner.
Barack Obama (AKA Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Mounir Ubayd, AKA Barak Soebarkah, AKA Barack Obama II) IS ALL THINGS NOT AMERICAN.
HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
This presentation is a logical layout presentation of verifiable facts that you can see and verify the Evidence for Yourself.
First he is an Illegal alien, second he is a Communist, third, he is a Muslim, fourth, he hates Liberty and Freedom and The Rule of Law.
BARACK OBAMA’S most attacked targets are THE PEOPLE OF THE USA.
Obama HARMS AMERICANS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
HIS UNLAWFUL usurpation can be verified easily, if one cares to know what the TRUTH is:
BARACK OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.
LOOKING AT THE REFERENCES IN THE FOLLOWING LIST WOULD CONVINCE EVEN AN AGNOSTIC.
If you seek TRUTH investigate the following references.
ALL OF BARACK OBAMA’S IDENTITY DOCUMENTS ARE FORGED OR STOLEN.
If he were really a USA citizen, he would have real Documents, the only reason not to have them is he Is NOT a USA citizen.
1) BARACK OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A FORGERY:
Documents plus lucid thought that show The White House Slideshare Birth Certificate is not just a forgery, but a Laughably poor forgery at that. Obama must really have been rushed to present it, because it is awful and has a dozen “TELLS” of Forgery even a 5th grader can understand and believe.
Anyone that thinks the same should copy this post and distribute it everywhere.
A Simple Proof of Forgery. One does not need to be a rocket scientist or Adobe Acrobat Expert to see FRAUD in Barack Obama’s White house posted Birth Certificate. It is easy to see the Forgery “Tells”.
In case you do not trust anyone like I don’t: Visit the White House Slide Share Website anyone, see it for yourself:
Simple proofs/tells of forgery of Barack H Obama’s White House Birth Certificate.
I am amazed that I can post proofs of Forgery on HIS, the COMMIES White House Website, and it is not removed by anyone. How Arrogant that Narcissist is.
Here are some obvious “Proofs/Tells” of Forgery. A Teen in his underwear in his parents basement must have been the one to make this Absolutely Comedic Forgery of Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate.
Simple Proofs/Tells of forgery.
1. Scratch Out in 18a & 19a. Official Gov Docs don’t have them.
2. Check in 18a is fraud. No other Data Box on this doc or era typewriter has this.
3. No reason for Delayed or Late registration. See why on the Aloha website in Note #7….!!!
What Obama’s BC Note #7 says, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Hawaii Per
Grandmother” ! That is So Funny!
4. Data Entry Block 6c has overlapping characters: “ap”, “ty” and “Gy” overlap. That means they used Kerning to space the printed characters. Kerning did not exist in 1961, invented much later.
5. Smiley face in Alvin’s Signature. Forrest Gump did not invent Smiley until 1968.
6. The shadow “9″s in Data Block #9 and #12b mean the Data Block is Blank, nothing there. Duh, there is something there. Ms U Lee who signed this document is 96 years old and told Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo that the 9 code is for a data base and it means the block is empty.
7. See Real Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Kenyan Birth.
8. See Real Kenyan BC’s, both a Photocopy and a certified Copy at:
Any of these Tells Proves the Document is a Forgery. This many says that it is
an Amateurish and Comedic forgery.
2) BARACK OBAMA’S SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION IS A FORGERY (DRAFT CARD):
For you folks that have not seen The Liar In Chiefs Forged Selective Service
Registration, the Forgery tell is so Simple a First Grader can see the Proof of
All SSR’s have a 4 digit date code. Obama’s SSR is the only SSR in the Whole
Universe of the Galaxies of all Space/Time that has only a 2 digit date code.
The forger could not easily get a 1979 date so he did get a 2008 date block,
cut it in half and flipped the “08″ over, inserted the “80″ into the stamp and
stamped the “80″, instead of the “1979″ as it should have been. All 18 year old
males are required to register for the draft, at least that was so in 1979 when
Obama supposedly turned 18. But anyway, the Point of the Fraudulent SSR is to make Americans “THINK” that Obama is an “American”.
HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
Oh PSS, It is a FELONY, to forge a government document and claim it as if it
was valid. So Obama is a Felon for his SSR, and a Felon for his BC, and is a Felon for his Stolen SSN. There it is again, The Criminal In Chief of the USA, Barry Soebarkah is at least a Triple Felon.
3) BARACK OBAMA’S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER: 042-68-4425 IS STOLEN. Oh, Yes the first ILLEGAL ALIEN THAT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED OUT ON E-VERIFY IS BARACK H OBAMA II. His Stolen Social Security number fails E-verify. It has been checked so many times by NON-Believer & Kool-Aid Haters that the SSA has disabled it from being checked. It starts with “042″ which means it was issued in Connecticut. Hawaii prefixes are 575 and 576. Barack’s first job was at an Ice Cream Parlor in Hawaii and his parents never lived in Connecticut. The SSN is issued ONLY in your Home State.
Please check it out for yourself. The Stolen SSN is, 042-68-4425. It is all over the internet, that Social Security Number belongs to Harrison J Bounel who was born in Russia in 1890 and was listed in a Connecticut Census in 1940.
SSNs are not reissued. But I think that O’ILLEGALALIEN is trying to change that, by FIAT.
You can read the story of the “skip Tracer that stumbled upon the data that links both Obama and Bounel to the same SSN: 042-68-4425. A story of the data and the connection was put together by a Skip Tracer named Albert Hendershot and can be viewed on the World Net Daily website at
To See the video of Al Hendershot showing how he found that Obama and Bounel have the same SSN
4) BARACK OBAMA’S LITERARY BIOS, WRITTEN BY HIMSELF, for Acton & Dystel, IT SAYS ‘BORN IN KENYA and raised in Indonesia”. Barack Obama’s Literary Bios was written by himself, don’t believe the LIE: “he did not write it”.
LIARS LIE, CHEATERS CHEAT, AND MURDERERS, MURDER. AND Barak Soebarkah (his last real name), AKA Barry Soetoro, AKA Harrison J Bounel, AKA Barack H Obama II, AKA Barak Mounir Ubayd;
Barack Obama HAS DONE
More Very Technical PROOF Obama’s Birth Certificate is a forgery and a Very Poor one at that.
This is from vectorpub DOT COM website List of 23 points of forgery.
List of the errors and forged items on Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth:
The points of forgery: We used the Reporters copy to do our typewriter analysis because the chain of custody was clear and trackable.
1. The first proof of forgery is a forged Registrar’s stamp on the Obama Certification of Live Birth (the short form or abstract) created on or before June 12, 2008;
2. The second proof of forgery is the fact that the registration date on the COLB cannot be August 8, 1961 but must be August 11, 1961;
3. The third point of forgery is the Birth Certificate number on the COLB is out of sequence for a registration date of August 8, 1961;
4. The forth point of forgery is that there was no evidence of an embossed Hawaiian Department of Health (DOH) seal on the COLB and that NBC journalist Savannah Guthrie publicly misrepresented that fact to advance her career;
5. The fifth point of forgery is that the size of the COLB is wrong if it was truly a photocopy of the original;
6. The sixth point of forgery on the COLB is that the age of Barack Hussein Obama, Senior was wrong;
7. The seventh point of forgery is that the typewriter type appearance on the COLB, with holes and notches in the letters, is not what it should look like if it was a copy of a copy of an original;
8. The eighth point of forgery is the “white halo” surrounding the text on the COLBs not caused by the copier but caused by unsharp mask, a feature in Adobe Photoshop and evidence of computer manipulation;
9. The ninth point of forgery is the 150 dpi of the background color of the PDF version of the COLB where as the other layers on the PDF were 200 and 300 dpi. This is evidence of computer manipulation.
10. The tenth point of forgery is the inconsistent line spacing on the COLB which a manual typewriter would not do;
11. The eleventh point of forgery is the inconsistencies of the left-hand margins on the COLB. I compared Obama’s COLB to twelve (12) legitimate COLBs acquired from Hawaii none of them illustrated the same random left-hand margins;
12. The twelfth point of forgery is lower case letters found above the baseline — an impossibility on a manual typewriter;
13. The thirteenth point of forgery is that the word spacing on the COLB does not fit a six point grid across the entire length of the form line;
14. The fourteenth point of forgery is the inconsistent placement of the punctuation (commas) which should be in the exact same place all the time;
15. The fifteenth point of forgery is the “kerning” on the COLB is impossible to obtain with a manual typewriter;
16. The sixteenth point of forgery is that the “letter spacing” throughout the COLB is demonstrably the result of a cut and past job except for some very common words that were lifted from other COLBs;
17. The seventeenth point of forgery is that there are sixteen (16) different typewriter fonts or size differences on the COLB which is impossible if the Hospital used only one typewriter to type up Obama’s COLB;
18. The eighteenth point of forgery is that the Obama’s COLB was not perfectly flat on the glass when the forger scanned it so some of the lines are slightly curved up on the left-hand side starting from box line 7a down to about box line 13. The problem is that the typewriter line is straight but the form line below slightly curves down so we see a half to one point difference where there
should be no difference;
19. The nineteenth point of forgery is the manifest errors on the Registrar’s stamp on Obama’s COLB that should not be there but was put there deliberately. The reason and significance of those errors are explained in the accompanying Sealed Affidavit of Douglas Vogt;
20. The twenty-first point of forgery is the use of “JBIG2 compression” on the PDF version of the COLB which is evidence of computer manipulation to cover-up the bad letter placement and multiple typefaces used by the forger.
The PDF Copy:
18. 9 layers to the PDF that should not be there, Our PDF did not have near that many layers. Not by optimization.
19. There are three different dpi resolutions on the different layers.
20. The certificate number has two resolutions, 200 and 300 dpi.
21. No department of Health Seal on the PDF copy just a slight distortion on the green copy layer.
22. The white halo was created by unsharp mask. 23. The presence of green color values on some of the words and date stamps.
24. Both grayscale and binary in the same pdf file—caused by the process of using JBIG2 compression.
25. The last 9th layer was cropped 1/8” by the pdf printer drivers to fit the color printer.
With 20 points of forgery at some point you have to just stop and realize the truth that Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) is a fraud and that a foreign agent has been inserted as President of the United States by Communist and Muslim groups centered in Chicago so as to destroy the US from within. The second conclusion you must come to is that the Democratic party has been taken over by the Socialist & Communist parties. Have a nice day.
Who has been notified:
On July 7, 2011 the following was notified:
I mailed the final 28-page report, the Affidavit listing the 9 error types, and the Affidavit about the News Conference to Director Robert Mueller III at the FBI
headquarters in Washington DC on July 7, 2011
(Certified Mail 70103090000164047804). A copy of that notice was also mailed to Special Agent in Charge Frank Montoya in Honolulu, HI (Certified Mail
70103090000164047804) both with return receipt requests.
On May 25, 2011 the following was notified:
A formal notice that multiple felonies had been committed under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Section 1028. I mailed the notice to Director Robert Mueller III at the FBI headquarters in Washington DC on May 25th and 26th (RE461679786US and EG410045020US). A copy of that notice was also mailed to Special Agent in Charge Frank Montoya in Honolulu, HI (70103090000164047965 and 9410803699300019474252). They were mailed there because that is where the crimes occurred. I have mailed copies of the full report to Republican members of the Senate on the Homeland Security Committee and on the House side the Congressman on the Ethics and Homeland Security Committees. I have also mailed it to additional Congressman.
What you can do is write to your congressman and ask them to have hearing on this very serious matter. Write to Director Mueller of the FBI and ask him to please do an investigation and secure the evidence as soon as possible. The country is in great danger because of the actions this administration has done.
It does not matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent; Obama has deceived all of us and has lied his way to the top with the help of many leftists in and out of government. This should be a nonpartisan issue and should be examined as a grave national security issue.
The Laws that Have Been Broken
There are eleven Federal Statutes that have been broken. They are listed in the Notice of the Commission of a Felony. They are substantial and since I have also included that very high probability of Treason, which carries with it the death penalty, there is no statute of limitations on their crimes. That also includes the accessories after the fact who helped the principals in this case.
The Speaker of the House has prevented the Congress holding hearing on this forgery The vast majority of Americans will lose faith in our country’s legal system and governmental institutions unless they do hearings and investigate even if it means replacing the Speaker of the House. As it is, the public poll numbers for Congress are in the low two digits. Congress and the ruling elite have to decide whether we are a country of laws or are the laws only enforced on the little people and those outside of the ruling political party.
Madyling Dunham was a Vice President of a bank.
Re: “Four Posts about Obama Not being a USA citizen and the Scum of the Earth and An ILLEGAL ALIEN PRESIDENT.”
Answer: So? This is a birther site. Naturally it gets some birthers posting. But they are wrong. Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) show. And, besides the confirmations, there is the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which could only have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 [the sections of the newspapers were called "Health Bureau Statistics," and only the Health Bureau, as the DOH of Hawaii was called at the time, could send notices to that section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii]). And besides that, there is the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. In addition, we do not even know that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy (and Obama’s mother could not have traveled earlier because she was attending college for most of the year) in those days because of the relatively high risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites have been able to convince a few GULLIBLE people to assume that Obama’s mother had a passport, and assume that she was one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. GULLIBLE is the word.
Re Obama’s grandmother “was a vice president of a bank.” Yes she was, but not until 1970—nine years after Obama was born. She was just a low-level employee in the bank when he was born, and Obama’s grandfather was only a furniture salesman. They could not have afforded sending their daughter overseas to give birth—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii, and if they had the money they would not have wasted it on such a dangerous trip.
Re not liking Obama. Well, sure, that is your right. But that does not make him born in a foreign country, nor does it change the definition of Natural Born Citizen, which comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and includes every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats.
Re repetition of the “born in Kenya” story. Repeating it doesn’t make it true. The Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama was NOT born in Kenya.
Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
And, as noted, the government of Hawaii (officials of both parties) have repeatedly confirmed the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, that it MATCHES the facts (and you can see that word in two confirmations) on what they sent to him:
Re claim of Obama’s birth certificate being a forgery:
And, since the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on the published copy of Obama’s birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as what they sent to him, what would be the point?
Kinda hard to argue over facts..but when brainwashing occurs facts have no place in logic.
Ok Ms. Ellen. Here’s some facts. Your man of the hour Obama, whom you support so much, has been documented, over and over again, lying on numerous occasions through his teeth to the American people. Here’s the one that is such a whopper it’s laughable. Direct from Obama’s deceitful lips…..”If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan”.
So our question to you Ms. Ellen is this. What do you call someone such as your self, who supports and continues to support, a well known, bald faced liar, that Obama has proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be? Well shucky darn Monkey Wrench guess you’d have to be called a liar too and anything you say in support of Obama cannot be believed.
Liar, liar, Ellen’s pants are on fire! How’s it feel to be affiliated with Obama the liar? Bet that makes your mom and dad rael proud of you Ms. Ellen. That is even if you have any parents. If you do they should have disowned you a long time ago.
Obots spinning and deflecting for Barry?
Color me surprised! LOL
Actually Ellen it’s the erroneous birth in Hawaii claim that is the height of Obot lunacy…
What we do know debunks the loopy lies told by
The 1991 bio demonstrates that BARRY LIED in the first place in order to get the Obots to defend him and sadly the gullible Obots like Ellen just rolled over and turned off their brains and just started blindly accepting every claim Barry made….
Barry lies like a rug …
And contrary to Ellen’s unfounded and loopy Obot claim…
Ellen cannot cite a documented source to show that other US presidents have lied like Barry has lied.
And of course …
Sadly for Ellen it’s a given that the Obot supporters like Abercrombie have shown that they will lie to try in vain to help prop up the nonsense myth that Barry spoke about while on the campaign trail….
Abercrombie ( Like other Obot “eyewitnesses”
have claimed to have seen newborn Barry. Yet there stories are bogus because they are full of wholes and/or contain too much Obot nonsense embellishment!) erroneously claimed he saw infant Barry with Anne and Sr at UofH functions even though Anne was the one that left Sr and she was actually hundreds of miles away in Washington attending the UofW until Barry II was at least 1 1/2 years old and she didn’t return to Hawaii with Barry II and Barry didn’t first set foot in Hawaii until then!
Anne’s whereabouts are unaccounted for months from late 1960 to during 1961 up until August,1961 when she shows up in Washington state…
There is NO Hawaiian marriage certificate to even show that she married Sr in Hawaii…
Barry’s COLB and WH images are w/o a doubt forgeries ( The latest Xerox copier nonsense is just even more Obot spinning and Obot deflection for Barry! ) …
Even the newspaper announcements show signs of being forgeries….
Barry has even cited events as being tied to the timing of his DOB that happened 6 to 7 months before he was born….
Anne dropped out of the UofH Fall 1960 semester which would have ended around the end of December,1960…
The deadline for a completed UofW admission app was August 1,1961…
Her friends state that they saw her in Washington in August,1961 …
Blake claims that was merely a social visit and that the visit coincided with August,1961 wild fire that caused her to cut short her vacation… The fire actually started and ended in July,1961.
Another friend states that Anne was staying on Mercer Island when she saw her.
A next door neighbor to the address given on the so called newspaper announcement/LFBC forgery address states that Barry II was never brought home to that address as a newborn or young newly born infant at all……
Sr had his own address and again Anne was elsewhere in August…
That address was NEVER the home of Barack Hussein Obama family… NEVER!
The Obots claim in vain that Anne only applied for a passport for the first time in 1965 and yet in the FOIA release the copy the Obots cling to shows that she filled out a renewal form in 1965….
And Anne changed her name on a renewal form…
Had to reapply for her passports on renewal forms…
Subsequent paperwork demonstrates that Anne had several different passport numbers during her lifetime.
The INA records do not account for people that flew,etc. in and out of Canada….
And of course no passport was even required to be presented to cross the US/Canada border….
Washington and especially NW Washington is very close to the Canadian border and flights from Canadian airports to Kenya via a few layovers was available through BOAC to London or another major British airport hub and a passenger could even make installment payments to pay for such flights even though BOAC was one of the first airlines to offer relatively inexpensive flights.
BTW – Gramps and Toot had enough money to fly Anne to Washington and back and pay her rent food and tuition and books,etc. expenses for the UofW for about a year…
Then pay for Anne to re-up at the UofH and rent a separate apartment pay for tuition and books and feed her and Barry II while she attended the UofH again.
The Dunhams were not as poor or not poor at all as the Obots want us to believe they were!
Thus contrary to the Obot spin provided by Ellen…
There is NO documentation at all that shows where Anne was during most of 1961 and that’s until she shows up in Washington for Fall,1961 UofW classes and of course there is also no documentation that disputes the “born in Kenya” fact ( Which of course contradicts the early life myth Barry lied about stating that Sr left the family when he was about 2 years old.
There was NEVER a Sr ,Anne,Barry II family living under the same roof… Barry met Sr for the very first time outside of the womb when he was 10 years
Yet there is the written bio by Barry himself that states that he was “born in Kenya” along with a quoted eyewitness statement from Sarah Obama quoting her stating she was there when Barry was born in Mombasa,Kenya , and of course Barry and MO’s statements stating he is Kenya ( Not Kenyan American,etc… Kenya is his home country…Take pride in returning home,etc. ) , Kenyan officials and regular citizens along with newspaper and Magazine articles that state that Barry the Kenyan was born in Kenya.
It is old news, but it is better to get the News Correct.
This flyer was created by Acton & Dystel to promote barack Obama for his books he planned to write.
He was paid to write a work about Black something like all Blacks want to do. But instead he took the Money and wrote one of his War and Peace Biographies, you know the epic kind that all 30 year olds can write, you know like Alexander the Great or George Washington.
He wrote his Literary Bios for Acton & Dystel
There is no evidence that he wrote his bio himself, and the literary agent said that she had written it and made the mistake entirely by herself (and did not check with Obama). Since Obama’s book “Dreams from My Father” published in 1999 says in it that he was born in HAWAII (which in fact is the case, as his birth certificate and the confirmations and the Index Data and the birth notices all show), it is not likely that he would write “born in Kenya” in his bio. Birthers would like for him (1) to have been born in Kenya (but he wasn’t, the Kenyan government said it investigated and that he was not born in Kenya, and, BTW, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961); or (2) for Obama to have lied and claimed that he was born in Kenya despite having been born in Hawaii—but Obama’s book says that he was BORN IN HAWAII.
So the literary agent made a mistake and did not check with Obama and did not tell him that it had been posted on a Web site, so the mistake went uncorrected for years and years—so, what else is new? (Are you claiming that literary agents never made mistakes and always checked with the people involved????)
“He was paid to write a work about Black something like all Blacks want to do.”
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a racist, than to open it and remove all doubt.
“He wrote his Literary Bios for Acton & Dystel”
Prove it. Since just about everything in that steaming pile of bovine manure you keep spamming was long ago proven false, why should anyone believe your unsupported claim about this?
Willyrho: To add to all your other proofs of the fraudulent long form BC:
I’ve discovered these on my own and haven’t seen them posted anywhere.
21. Form info and ruled lines curve around on left side–BUT THE TYPED INFO DOES NOT!
22. Ruled boxes were copy/pasted on item 3 (single)(twin)(triplet)–to cover up the fact that the BC the forger scanned in had the twin box checked and had to replace this check box. I designed forms pre-computer and used a technical pen with a T-square and triangle to hand-draw check boxes and rules. So NO two are alike (noticeable when viewed at 400%. His fake one is identical pixel by pixel for the twin box and another.
23. African was NOT a valid entry for race. See page 4-8 http://www (dot) cdc (dot) gov/nchs/data/ vsus/vsus_1962_1 (dot) pdf
(link to the 1962 U.S. Vital Statistics manual (published by the Public Health Service) –
Race and Color
Births in the United States in 1962 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian combined, and “other nonwhite.”
I am a graphic designer both pre and post computer.
December 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Hi Ellen, I have been missing you. I thought you may have changed your name to “Joan”. Or, do you sometimes write your OBOT writings in that name too?
Ellen yes there is every indication that Barry wrote that bio himself…
Authors using the same lit agent write their own bios.
Earlier you admitted that yup Barry lies….
Barry lied about the smears and that is what got the Obots defending Barry in the first place.
Means you are out of reasons to keep defending Barry.
You will be on the list of people investigated for Treason as you are and likely have covered up for Obama, anyone!!!! who has covered up for Obama and found guilty must be charged with treason? Keep up the lie even when you know the truth is Obama is not a U.S. citizen?
According to the Constitution, it doesn’t matter where Obama was born because his father was a British subject and therefore ineligible to run for the office of POTUS due to the natural born citizen rule. That was put into the Constitution because it kept British citizens from holding the office of POTUS in the US and dates back to the War of 1812. It was to keep Britain from control of this government.
As for Obama’s biological father, it is rumor that it was Malcolm X, who was an American, but not someone Obama could claim. He would never have passed being vetted which is why he wasn’t vetted. The Democrats wanted a black President and did everything they could to get it, including circumventing the Constitution. The only way to get rid of Obama is to impeach him and throw him out. Michelle might even help since she’s divorcing him as soon as he is out of office. Impeach him now before he can do further harm.
Obama’s father was indeed a British subject. So what? The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. The PLACE of birth.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)
More reading on the subject:
Legally Obama’s biological father does not matter a bit, and his chance of his biological father being different from the one entered on his birth certificate is exactly the same as Mitt Romney’s biological father being different from the one entered, or your biological father being different from the one entered, or my biological father being different from the one entered.
Sorry JM, but like most Birthers you clearly don’t have a clue what “natural born citizen” means. It most certainly doe NOT have anything to do with parents’ citizenship status.
That is not the first mistake Bill Ayers made.
Why did the “Committee” pick such an incompetent fool?
They did very well in my humble opinion. Their intent is to bring about the destruction of the US. I don’t think they could have done any better.
I believe it has been in the works for years.
you are absolutely correct, You would have to find a tick like nobama because he 1. hates America, and 2. no one will care when they decide hes out lived his usefullness
doesn’t matter, as long as one of his parents are a US citizen, he would qualify to run for president no matter what country he was born in. I hate Obama, but it is what it is. this just shows how people waste their time trying to find loop holes. bottom line the only way we are going to get this jack ass out of office is by voting him and his cronies out. The fact the he was born in Kenya, is or was a muslim is a mute point.
Sorry, you’re wrong. From us.gov:
•Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn’t have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed
Apparently he has not researched Minor vs Happersett….and what the SCOTUS said on the decision of that case…
Re: “Only native-born U.S. citizens….”
Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the repeated confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the papers) and the teacher who wrote home all show. And there isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did at that time, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the relatively high risk of stillbirths. In short, the evidence is overwhelming that Obama was born in Hawaii. He certainly was NOT born in Kenya because the government of Kenya said that it investigated and that Obama was NOT born there, and the US INS report for 1961 shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961—and all but one of them by ship, and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in those days.
Re: “Apparently he has not researched Minor vs Happersett…”
Minor v. Happersett does not say what birthers think that it says. It NEVER says that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen. If I said: “It was never doubted that wearing suspenders and a belt would hold your pants up”—would you interpret that to mean that you have to wear suspenders and a belt to hold your pants up?????
In any case, the key decision was in the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case, which BTW, was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, and it ruled six-to-two (one justice did not vote) that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and that every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders is a Natural Born US Citizen. And that is why not a single member of the 356 electoral votes that Obama won in 2008 or the 332 electoral votes he won in 2012 switched their vote to vote against Obama. Not one. Not one in close to 690 electors in the total of the two elections switched their vote to vote against Obama. Because not one of them held the nutty idea that Obama was born outside the USA or the loony legal theory that two (or even one) citizen parents are required for a US-born citizen to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Greg you are correct of course about NBC requiring birth in country to US citizen parents and Jim unfortunately you are only partially correct….
The ( English and… ) US actually naturalize the children born abroad of US citizen parents …
Those children are become citizens by statute and thus are NOT NBCs…
That’s why the first US uniform naturalization law dealt with the children of US citizens born abroad…
IF they had been considered NBCs …
The first naturalization law ( That was later repealed and the subsequent law replaced the term “natural-born citizen” with “citizen”. ) concerning them would have been unnecessary.
Ellen the Obot will try in vain to cite English Common Law as made up nonsense in WKA as if Gray in WKA was correctly citing English Common Law…
Which of course in WKA Gray wasn’t correctly citing it at all…
The English naturalized the children of aliens that had become naturalized as denizens and denizens are a form of British subject in the “middle ground between aliens and actual natural-born subjects” before their child was born.
According to Common Law…
The father/husband’s subject/citizen status determines that of his children and spouse….
The very first naturalization laws cited by Waite in Minor dealt with the practice of recognizing the father’s being naturalized as granting ipso facto citizenship on his minor children and wife and yet the children were required by that law to take the oath of allegiance when they reached the age of majority.
Ellen spins Minor in that Minor doesn’t say “two citizen parents are required” …
Nope Waite didn’t write “two parents” …
However what Waite did write blows up the Obot spin in that Waite did state that the “the Framers” understood that “w/o a doubt” that “ALL” “children born in a country to parentS who were it’s citizenS” were born citizens and Waite classifies ONLY those as “born citizens” BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS WERE CITIZENS and further clarifies that “THESE” ( Only the children he was speaking about previously which are only the children born in country to parents who were it’s citizens.) “were the natives and natural-born citizens” and does so into a totally and distinctly separate class from foreigners and aliens…
And then Waite goes further and then LATER assigns the children born in country w/o taking into consideration of their parents’ citizenship INTO A SEPARATE CLASS and also he states ONLY “some” authorities” believe that that class are “CITIZENS” at all and Waite also distinguishes them by purposely assigning them into the doubtful class which means that they might or might not be mere citizens at all depending on whom one is doing the claiming class!
But hey reading, paragraph structure being fundamental to understanding context won’t stop the Obots from spinning Minor into something that wasn’t written into something the Obots can only wish in vain that it said!
Jus soli and jus sanguinis are forms of naturalization…
Only birth in country to parents who were it’s citizens doesn’t require a law or statute to make a child a US citizen!
Congress only has the enumerated power to write and pass uniform naturalization laws…
Guess who wrote the 14th amendment?
The freed slaves for whom the 14th was written had already been naturalized via the 1866 Civil Rights Act…
American Indians,Eskimos, Inuits,etc. all still needed naturalization via other uniform naturalization laws and the INA to be declared US citizens.
Take it from somebody that works with immigration law and has a MA in history with a specialization in colonial and early America you are horribly wrong. irst of all “natural born citizen” had a precise meaning in the 18th century and simply put to be natural born BOTH of your parents had to be citizens of the country. This is why the founders exempted themselves from this rule because their parents were citizens of Britian. The fact that Obama’s declared father was a Kenyan meant he was a British subject; therefore Barry is and will never be qualified to be President. There is also a tremendous amount of evidence to support the idea that Obama was born in Kenya. He and his family claimed he was Kenyan up to the point he decided to run for the presidency. IF he was born outside of the US then by the INA he is not even a citizen let alone a natural born one. He could not acquire citizenship through his mother because she failed the residency requirement of 10 years US residency 5 of which had to be after the age of 14. In other words, his mother would have had to reside in the US until she was at least 19 before she could transmit. She was 18 was Barack was born. Since he never naturalized, if he was born in Kenya then he is an illegal alien, period end of story.
A child must be born IN the U.S. of parents who are both citizens OF the U.S. at the time of the child’s birth. The ONLY exemption for a ‘natural born’ citizen birth outside the country is to citizen parents who are serving the U.S. in diplomatic service..
The original meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth—not to the parents. The examples of the American legal scholars who both knew the writers of the US Constitution (Rawle was friends with both Washington and Franklin) makes this clear. BOTH Tucker and Rawle use the term Natural Born Citizen the way that the common law uses Natural Born, and neither uses it to refer to parents (nor does any of the writings of the members of the Constitutional Covention. There is not a single quotation from any of them that uses Natural Born Citizen (or for that matter Natural Born) to refer to the citizenship of the parents.
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Although the Preamble indicates that only the “Our Posterity” were automatically included in the “We the People” …
The children of US citizens born abroad still needed a naturalization law to naturalize them..
The Brits of course did the same thing.
Actual NBSs and NBCs were and still are born in country to parents who were subjects or citizens.
The modern INA is a compilation and thus a combination of uniform naturalization laws…
So Anne could have been 400 gazillion years old and lived in the USA her whole life ( Save the trip to Kenya.) when she had Barry and it would have still only ended up in Barry being naturalized no matter where he was born because she was married to a foreign subject.
Anne was even naturalized a Brit by the British Nationality Act when she married Sr..
BTW – Ellen the Obots quote Rawle where his “View of the US Constitution” is speaking about Article 1 section 8 which deals with uniform naturalization laws!
Earlier in that “view” Rawle can be seen citing the same examples from and thus following Vattell’s Law of Nations and Rawle paraphrased states that the children born in the colonies of their ancestors were natural-born subjects.
Ellen “birth right” is an inheritance passed down from a parent or parents and thus isn’t granted by a piece of dirt…
The Founders were particular as to who was considered a US citizen in that only those that had sided with the USA were considered citizens…
The Preamble only specifically includes the “Our Posterity” of the “We the People” for a specific reason and that’s because those “We the People” were the only original US citizens that had risked all to fight for freedom from the British crown…
The Toreys and their children mostly decided to leave for British territory…
That’s what Inglis’ dad did for his son and that’s why the son lost his lawsuit in Inglis vs Snug Harbor….
So the whole “state’s citizen” spin is just more Obot spin!
The Framers excluded from US citizenship people that had shown they lacked allegiance even though those had been born in the colonies that later became the original states …
The excluded people’s children were obviously also automatically excluded too!
Only people with allegiance to the new USA and their children could be seen as owing allegiance to the USA!
If that were true then Ted Cruz could legally run for president in 2016.
Ted Cruz can never be considered a ‘natural born’ citizen because he inherited foreign/Cuban citizenship from his father and if, Canada automatically grants citzenship to those born in the country–even to non-Canadian citizen parents, then Cruz also received Canadian citizenship by virtue of being physically born in Canada.
A natural born citizen is one who neither owes, nor can be forced to provide, allegiance to another country at the time of birth. That only occurs when a child is born IN a country of Parents who are both citizens OF the country.
Actually this is incorrect. Read the law again. Both of his parents MUST be naturalized citizens.
NOT SO. HIS MOTHER WAS NOT HERE LONG ENOUGH OR OLD ENOUGH TO CONFER HER CITIZENSHIP ON HER SON. PLUS HE WAS GIVEN INDONESIAN CITIZENSHIP WHEN HE WAS ADOPTED BY HIS STEP FATHER LOLO SOETORO WHEN HE WAS A CHILD AND CAME TO AMERICA AS A FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT, RECEIVED AID TO FOREIGN STUDENTS, AS WELL. SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY IT ‘DOESN’T MATTER’ HILLARY!
Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.
moot, not mute
Hey Grog, wake up and smell the US Constitution. Use your logic and ask yourself why the US Constitution defines two different eligibility requirements – one for the Executive branch (Natural born citizen) and one for the Congress (plain vanilla citizen).
Article I, Section 2, Clauses 1 and 2: The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states, and the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.
No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen. NOTE: No mention of natural born citizenship.
Article I, Section 3, Clause 2: No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen. NOTE: No mention of natural born citizenship.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. NOTE: Mention of natural born citizenship.
A natural born US citizen is one who is born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
A natural born Canadian citizen is one who is born on Canadian soil to two Canadian citizen parents.
A natural born Mexican citizen is one who is born on Mexican soil to two Mexican citizen parents.
A natural born Russian citizen is one who is born on Russian soil to two Russian citizen parents.
A natural born German citizen is one who is born on German soil to two German citizen parents.
A natural born Kenyan citizen is one who is born on Kenyan soil to two Kenyan citizen parents.
A natural born Japanese citizen is one who is born on Japanese soil to two Japanese citizen parents.
A natural born US citizen is one who is born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
“All children born under my roof to my wife are my natural born children.”
The Vattelist take-away: any child not born under my roof (born in a hospital) is not my natural born child because it was not born within my jurisdiction. It can only become my child via some form of automatic adoption (a la automatic naturalization at birth).
Even a third grader can see the absurd and insane falsity of such reasoning. But you can’t because it explodes the whole dogma of NBC being linked and dependent on jus soli native-birth.
Jus Sanguinis has no relationship to geography. It is 100% based on blood and biological descent. A jus sanguinis constitutional President is one born of an American father and an American mother. All jurisdiction is through them and not through soil, including foreign soil. Any and all allegiance is conveyed by them. Soil is irrelevant. It’s irrelevant to natural citizenship, to Barack Obama, and to presidential eligibility
Parents are everything because blood is everything. Blood is life, and life & nationality are conveyed by it alone. Soil cannot convey life or citizenship. But law can grant it and does. Only it’s not natural. It purely legal in nature.
No legal citizen is eligible to be President. The founders were all natural born citizens…of their own semi-sovereign nations. The Constitution does not require that one be a natural born citizen of the United States. The United States is not mentioned. The reference is solely to one’s State citizenship status.
Obama was not born in Kenya, nor Hawaii, nor anywhere else other than Vancouver, B.C. All of the known facts point to that conclusion, and you should familiarize yourself with them by reading my extensive exposition on natural citizenship and Obama’s birth location. It’s titled: Why baby Obama Was Born in Vancouver. It can be found at http://obama–nation.com
Re: ” A jus sanguinis constitutional President is one born of an American father and an American mother.”
Answer: But the law in the United States and the meaning of Natural Born in Natural Born Citizen both are based on JUS SOLI.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
Now you have hit the nail , his parents being citizens . His mother may have been a U.S. Citizen , don’t know if she renounced it before or after his birth and really do not care . But his stated father was most certainly not a citizen . Never was and never applied for it . In fact Barack Obama Sr was deported for not maintaining a high enough grade point average to qualify for his exchange student status here in America . That said Obama is not eligible to be president as he was not born to two , U.S. citizens as the Constitution Plainly states . And people wonder why Obama wants to get rid of it . I am quite sure the Democratic Party was well aware of this when they approved of him as a candidate . They would love to shred our Constitution being the pack of anti American Communists that they are . When and if the little bubble breaks and Obama is exposed for all the world to see they will shove his ass under the bus and deny any knowledge of his deliberate wrong doing and fraud saying , “he duped us too, we are not experts on documents” . But they did , as daddy wasn’t a citizen and they knew it all along . The entire party should be booted out , and the higher ups who were in a position to know put behind bars
Yes Debbie , that includes you as well . And Nancy , Barbara , Diane , Harry ET-al !
Both of his parents have to be US natural born citizens for him to be President!!
But his Father is actually a born Kenyan, so the whole thing is moot.
Neither the citizenship of the father nor the citizenship of the mother nor the citizenship of BOTH the father and the mother has any effect on the Natural Born Citizen status of a child born on US soil. The meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth (except the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders):
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Actually, a child born IN the U.S. of naturalized citizen parents (both) is a natural born citizen–but the parents have to be naturalized before the child’s birth. A child born to parents before they are naturalized, is automatically naturalized along with the parents.
YOU ARE CRAZY! THAT IS NOT TRUE AND SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH, IT COULDN’T BE FURTHER! IT DOESN’T APPLY TO BHO ANYWAY, AS HE WAS NEVER BORN TO TWO PARENTS WHO WERE CITIZENS. AND IT IS NOT A NATURALIZED CITIZENSHIP WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS ‘NATURAL BORN’ DUH. BIG DIFFERENCE!
You are sorely mistaken of immigration law. If that was true my x wife who is Colombian would have been granted citizenship following the birth of my twin girls. I’m American born and my girls are American born but the mother was Colombian here with a permanent residence card due to marriage. However, she had to remain married for 3 years and reside with the husband before she could be eligible to apply for citizenship.
The only way a foreigner can acquire US citizenship through their US born children is by the child turning 18 and sponsoring their foreign born parent and bringing said parent to reside in the US for 5 consecutive years before eligible for citizenship through means of a US born child.
The problem is, most foreigners think that if they can get a tourist visa or even come here illegally all they have to do is pop a baby out while in the States and that grants them instant citizenship. That is why we have all these particularly Mexican coming here and popping out baby after baby with the mindset of immediate citizenship, only to find they will have to wait another 18 years before citizenship is possible. These babies are also known as “anchor babies” I work with several of these “anchor Babies” where they have told me their stories of how they were born in America and their Mom and Dad crossed the border illegally just before she gave birth.
OMG, none of you make sense … My parents emigrated from Denmark, had “green cards” on their way to becoming citizens. Three year later my brother was born (1959) – He is a citizen of the US. For private reasons I’m not telling why, but neither of my parents ever became citizens … my brother is still a citizen! He has lived in Denmark since 1966, but is still a citizen of the US.
Correction. Both parents CAN be natural born citizens, but they MUST be citizens. One can be a natural born citizen and the other just a plain vanilla citizen or both can be just plain vanilla citizens.
No one has ever pulled this large of a fraud on entire country….there’s a fine achievement for the Resume`…huh
Re: Claim that both parents must be citizens. That is truly nutty.
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)
Read the constitution and stop trying to use your own opinion as fact..now THAT is nutty.
Ellen the Obots are making the only truly nutty assertions.
The WST is not the USSC .
Graham ,Meece, etc. are RINOS.
Going straight to the source…
“What better way to insure attachment to the country than to require the President to have his American citizenship through his American Father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and be removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.” – Charles Pinckney (Continental Congress (1777-78 and 1784-87) and S.C. state legislature (1779-80, 1786-89, and 1792-96) (signer of the Constitution of the United States)
Earlier Congress and publications state that… :
“The expression ‘citizen of the United States occurs in the clauses prescribing qualifications for Representatives, for Senators, and for President. In the latter, the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states.” –
The New Englander, Volume 3 (1845)
“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862)).
“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))”
“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.” Representative Bingham
So IOWS – The Obots have always been wrong!
Nothing will be done, we will still be called (birthers) or whatever. This president can doing anything he wants,
Obama’s “presidency” isn’t over yet. The Lord is in control, no matter what anyone thinks. It can come unraveled.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C372wVaBM-s&feature=player_embedded#t=18
Where is our friggin Congress?
BOUGHT OUT OR THREATENED WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR SKELETON CLOSET, I SUPPOSE.
As long as there is a Democratic Controlled Senate, nothing ever will be done. Any sort of Impeachment process or other form of action will be stalled or held up in the Senate.
I don’t expect to see anything done no sooner than 2015 if the Republicans retake control of the Senate in Nov 2014 and maintain control of the House, otherwise Obama will not be touched during his 2 terms. Only after his terms are up and he is no longer in the executive office with the ability to threaten any and all, then and only then will anything be brought up about his eligibility. By that time it will be basically irrelevant. He won’t do any time, nor lose his presidential pension over the BC. At most he will be declared a case of oversight and mistake on the part of the DNC and pardoned by the sitting President along with executive pardons to Pelosi and the others who assisted and aided and abetted him into office.
The Congress is hampered due to the Democrats ruling the Senate. Herman Cain has explained it on his radio show.
They’re in recess and won’t return for at least another three years. Basically useless !
That means he’s unqualified to be President of the United States. It clearly says in the Constitution of the U. S. that anyone who is a natural-born resident of the U. S. shall run for the position. If this statement is true, then our President should be put out of office.
That among many
*sigh* Every member of congress is complicit in this…They are SCARED to DEATH if they “Do anything” about this, there will be riots the likes that America has never seen. Soros’s although EVIL, was a GENIUS in selecting an HALF white, HALF Black man to destroy this country. They KNEW that almost EVERY Black would vote for him, and that those that criticized him would be silenced by being called “Racist”…EVIL…but Brilliant…and no matter WHAT we do, the Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Progressive (or WHATEVER name they “re-brand” themselves as, so not to seem so extreme) are protecting this POS. We have GOT to get RID of these CROOKS while we STILL have a slim chance of DOING it!
Yes. The Congressional crooks who affirmed Obama’s illegal election are as guilty of TREASON as Obama is. We need a wholesale replacement of virtually ALL Congressional Members who have not abided by their oaths of office and who have not supported the Constitution.
It is clear that the vast majority of Congressional Members talk and act like they support the Constitution, but will actually do nothing to stop the destruction of same. We have NO chance to take back our country and restore constitutional government with the current elected, appointed and employed members of both federal and State governments, nor will we be successful if we continue to support the candidates the major political parties choose for us. We need honorable men and women, not the corruption of Democrat and Republican Party supporters of their anti-constitutional platforms.
There are so many rinos in the Republican party now, it is not funny, they have been infiltrated by the left or their minds stolen as in the case of John McCain, who is so far left , he might just fall over if someone doesn’t intervene! Yes, the congressional members need to be charged with treason and spies and undermining the Constitution of the USA.
For _My_Liberty……….You hit the nail right on the head. We need to serve each and everyone of the criminals with their eviction notices from ALL THREE OF THE BRANCHS! They are ALL guilty.
Obama will grant presidential pardons, Who is going to prosecute? Eric Holder? ha he is in it as deep as the rest of them. Holder spends more time and American tax dollars suing every State and American he can manage to sue who is against Obama and his agenda rather than protecting them and upholding the law.
Obama is 50% Craqcker, 34% Raghead, and 16% Blacker. From what I heard and have seen, all it takes is one drop of Blacker blood to make you a negro and immune to the laws of the USA.
EVERY member of Congress and EVERY member of the Senate that worked to get this illegal alien muslim POS into office needs to be publicly tried and EXECUTED for TREASON!!!
This is all possible if every patriot will take the time to get involved in the Constitutional Convention of States! The founding fathers gave Americans an escape route through the Constitution, Article V, in which it offers the States a way to take back sovereign powers stolen by the Federal Government. Google the subject, go to http://www.conventionsofstatesproject.com, or go to Mark Levin’s website to read about it. You can also go to the library and ask for Levin’s “The Liberty Amendments” and read it without spending a dime. Then go to one of the websites and offer your services in convincing your States to join the battle. The Constitution calls for 3/5 of the States to call for the Convention, where they can propose as many Amendments as they feel necessary to save our country, and then only 4/5 of the States to Approve any or all of the Amendments to take back the power to the people. Last weekend 30 States had representatives meeting at a convention to discuss this solution, and many of them have already signed up. GET YOUR STATE TO JOIN TOO!!!
Obama’s mother was an American…it does not matter where he was born or who his father was….he had the option to choose American citizenship if born outside the U.S. What does matter is using the category of foreign born to receive perks/aid from colleges, and special consideration over American born citizens. There is a giant smoke screen surrounding his birth place and other information about him. The American people knew enough about his radical friends and political views to consider them when voting for him. It is so sad that our country, our schools have been so dumbed down.
Barbara, I agree. I think he was born in Kenya, and received government assistance as a foreign student. Now that he has been KNOWN to lie maybe someone from the colleges will send his records to the media, or something else will show up. I also believe he is involved in the IRS scandal and allowed our men to die in Benghazi. If we vote republican in November we can get him out of office, or maybe Lee Harvey Oswald will come back. I don’t know, but I can tell you he has done nothing but destroy our economy, our morals, and our COUNTRY!
Oswald was a patsy, a pawn. the CIA was deeply and directly involved along with those from the warren commission.
Better to have a sayonce (or how ever it is spelled) and ask Booth to come back and bless this Country with his skills.
See my earlier reply to Greg. You are simply wrong. IF he was born outside of the US (and and I for one think he was) he is not even a citizen let alone a natural born one. His mother could not have transmitted citizenship t Barack because she did not meet the residency requirement. This makes the fact that this guy was elected even more galling. Forget natural born I don’t think this guy is even a citizen period.
That’s why he wants amnesty so bad, so he’ll be a legal esident.
Can an illegal alien grant himself amnesty?
Precisely Nymrod – Lets look at the facts – He is vehemently trying to legalize all illegal immigrants with or without the support of Congress and Americans.
His Aunt is/was an illegal immigrant for years and on welfare to boot as an illegal. She was ordered to leave the Country but ignored the order. She even publicly stated on video that America “owes” her. shortly after Obama was named President, she got asylum after years and years of rejection and deportation orders.
Then pops up this “Uncle Omar” – the drunk who has been discovered to have been here in the US illegally since the 1970′s and now all of a sudden he is also granted amnesty for commiting immigration crimes.So is it any wonder Obama is so adamant about legalizing illegals. He is surrounded by them and likely is one of them considering he was/is a citizen of Indonesia among other things. In those days, dual citizenship was not allowed anywhere.
Barbara, it DOES matter where he was born. He may have had the option to choose his citizenship when he reached the age of majority, but that would only make him a ‘citizen’–not a ‘natural-born citizen.’
Where he was born only matters according to federal policy, -NOT federal Law. He is presumed to be a U.S. citizen because the policy dates back to 1898-1899 and has never been challenged. It was put into place by Attorney General John Griggs after the notorious Wong Kim Ark opinion handed down by the Supreme Court, but he distorted and perverted their holding that native-born children of IMMIGRANTS are U.S. citizens according to the 14th Amendment.
Obama’s father was anything BUT an immigrant. He was a transient non-immigrant alien here on a Visa, and possessed no Green Card with permanent residency. He wasn’t a member of American society and so neither is his child, -not through him nor his mother nor native-birth. By actual law Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen. obama–nation.com
Re: “the notorious Wong Kim Ark opinion handed down by the Supreme Court…”
The “notorious” Wong Kim Ark opinion was six justices to two justices (one justice did not vote) and it is the law. And unless the US Supreme Court overturns it (which is hardly likely since it has turned down every birther case, and since not a single member of the US Electoral College in either 2008 or 2012 changed the vote to vote against Obama believing that two citizen parents are required) it will remain the law of the USA unless and until a Constitutional Amendment overturns it—-and that isn’t likely either.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen really does include every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats
He was railroaded in and got the backing of the blacks with the promise of hope and change for them, not for anyone else. All of it has been lies, lies, lies fron the get go, and his background and who he is is nothing but a lie, so what do you expect but more lies?! He needs to be removed by Congress and the American People need to stand up and shout it from the housetops until it happens!
Yes, going to college or a university does not an intelligent person make.
Well I’m happy to see that most of the posters here know the facts! Natural born citizen is the not the same as US citizen, good Lord, do a bit of research those of you who are still clueless! And Greg, do you really think that all countries have already been overtaken by the NWO and so there’s only set of constitutional rules for all countries? Good grief, you’re jumping the gun a bit, don’t you think? They haven’t quite gotten there yet. As to Barry? fraud, imposter, criminal, bisexual, communist, muslim-sympathizer (don’t care what’s in his heart, its how he acts!) All of us NOT brainwashed, spread the word daily! I hope and pray that the truth will come out as it seems to now be.
So far Obama has been able to elude us on the Birth Certificate controversy. And a lot of help by the Liberal media that keeps on giving him a free pass. We have been duped and swindled by a con man. When Obama was a Illinois State Senator a news crew was following him around town and the report was that he was born in Kenya. It’s on audio and video that the man doing the news report said that Barrack Obama Kenyan born is doing very well in the polls.
There is no birth certificate “controversy.” There are only birther sites that claim over and over again that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. But it isn’t forged. The “duping and swindling” has been by birther sites, that have repeatedly lied about Obama’s birth certificate being forged, and about such other things as:
This is interesting, but we really don’t know if it matters. The reason is that the Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the meaning of the Constitutional language: “natural born citizen” which is appears to be a special requirement for the President. He does have US citizenship by birth since his mother was a US citizen. If that is all that is necessary, then it doesn’t matter where he was born. If the Supreme Court were to interpret the Constitution as imposing more stringent requirements, then it could matter.
THE OPERATIVE WORDS ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. there was a supreme court ruling, I don’t remember which one, BUT it did delineate that it required BOTH parents to be US citizens. BOTH not one and a hail Mary on #2. Ok. he is in office illegally. they FEDERAL ELECTION COMMITTEE, maybe Ms. Lerner, helped him to be able to run. this is why NO ONE will go after Hawaii and get the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. as I understand it, these live birth certificates won’t get you a passport. worthless piece of paper. let’s try this theory since we all want Barry to be prez. he lied and committed perjury to obtain those Pehl grants to fund his education as a ‘foreign’ student. so which is it? is he lying now or was he lying then?
Perjury is a felony and felons cannot HOLD FEDERAL OFFICES. also can’t be attorneys either.
Pelosi is the one who supposedly vetted Obama and claimed he met the eligibility to run. No further vetting from anyone was performed or allowed. The person that said “you have to vote on it to see whats in it” referring to ACA A.k.a Obamacare. So we are to believe she properly and honestly vetted him? I guess that held true for Obama as well. You have to vote for him to find out what is his true agenda within him.
Once he was given enough time and a few million dollars to wipe his history and paper trail clean and kill off anyone including family members who might slip up and speak the truth he offered a fake doctored BC on the internet.
Re: “there was a supreme court ruling, I don’t remember which one, BUT it did delineate that it required BOTH parents to be US citizens.”
Answer: There is NO such ruling, and the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case, which is the key ruling on the matter, ruled six to two (one justice not voting) that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.
Please stop repeating the lie that he is a citizen because his mother was. I work with immigration law everyday. You have to apply that laws that were in effect at the time of birth. When Barack was born his Mother would have had to reside int he US for 10 years 5 of which had to have occurred after the age of 14. This means if she gave birth overseas when she was 18, which she did, that child could never acquire US citizenship through his mother. The only way Obama is a citizen (he could never be a natural born citizen ever!) is if he naturalized which he did not.
Good for you, James. You are totally right. Most people are so ignorant, it is disgusting. Thank you for telling the truth and getting the word out that I have been trying to do as well, along with countless others, since before 2008! I pray that this is the smoki8ng gun that finally takes him out of office!
Panther and James – Though both of you are right about what the law stated at the time of his birth. The question is? Who will charge him, remove him or even impeach him? As long as we have a Democratic controlled Senate, no proceedings for any sort of action will occur. Furthermore, Eric Holder will never take any action either and he has the Supreme Court hand picked guaranteeing a case against him will never see a trial and refuse to hear any action against him.
So where does that leave us?
It doesn’t matter what the facts are or the truth if there is no one to execute follow up actions to correct any injustice.
Re: “This means if she gave birth overseas when she was 18, which she did…”
Actually, she didn’t. Actually, not only did she not give birth overseas, the chance of her having given birth overseas is like about a zillion to one against.
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1971], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
The Supreme Court is CORRUPTED and the last two judges appointed by BHO need to be removed, as well. The people need to vote on who the justices of the SCOTUS are, not be appointed by the president, because a bogus president, like we hav now, could put anyone in there, which is exactly what he has already done. On top of that, Justice Roberts needs to resign and step down for his participation knowingly installing a corrupt and unqualified president, as well as letting hin take his oath on the Koran, in private, the second time after he screwed up the first time in public….think that’s a ‘coincidence”? HA
Oath on the Koran was an oversight it was simply a glitch. In fact he didn’t know it until he learned from watching the news.
The audacity of the thought of the Commie Supremes making a natural born citizen definition ruling is that our Founding Fathers knew what it meant. It was not necessary to define it in the US Constitution. But, think for a minute and ask yourself why the US Constitution defines only natural born citizen for the Executive branch and just ‘plain vanilla’ citizen for Congress. You can’t deny the logic that prevails unless you’re a brain-washed idiot who listens to the the Communist crap spewed by the Congressional Research Service (CRS). CRS is funded by the taxpayers to help dumb-down the citizens on the now twice breeched natural born citizen requirement for the executive office of the USA.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen at the time that the Constitution was written can easily be seen by the quotations from American legal scholars at the time who knew the writers of the Constitution, and they both use the term Natural Born Citizen exactly the way that it was used in the common law, and there is no example, not one, of any of the writers of the Constitution ever using the term Natural Born Citizen or for that matter Natural Born to refer to parents:
And that is why the Heritage Foundation is right, and you are wrong:
Re: ” The reason is that the Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the meaning of the Constitutional language: “natural born citizen”
Answer: Actually, it did rule, in the Wong Kim Ark case, and the words that it used are:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
And, in case you doubt that the above really said that EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen (except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders), in fact ten appeals courts have all confirmed that indeed the Wong Kim Ark case said exactly that, and that it is the key ruling on the matter. And NO appeals court has ever cited Minor v. Happersett as an opinion on presidential eligiblity (and it does not say what birthers think that it says in any case).
There is proof all over the place why aren’t they getting him removed from office. Come on guys man up whats wrong with you all?
“There is proof all over the place”
Why, yes, there is. Unfortunately for you, that “proof” shows that the birthers have nothing but a bunch of loony conspiracy theories, and outright lies (like Obama giving up his citizenship to get into school in Indonesia), to support their claims.
That’s why no prosecutor has filed a case, and no congresscritter has tried to convene hearings.
When even Michelle Bachmann isn’t nutty enough to join your cause, it’s time to re-assess your position.
Both parent have to be US Citizens and he gave of his american citizenship when he moved to Indonesia because in order to go to school there he had to be a citizen of their land and they don’t allow dual citizenship. There are no documents that state he ever reapplied for his US citizenship. It does matter James he is taking our country down is that what you want?
“he gave of his american citizenship when he moved to Indonesia because in order to go to school there he had to be a citizen of their land”
Wrong: both US and Indonesian law PROHIBITED his giving up his US citizenship. Even if he had wanted to do so, it wasn’t possible.
And there is no requirement of citizenship to attend school in Indonesia. Tha’s just another of the many birther lies.
No Daaa, now what?
Was it a misteak or a lie? I think we all know it is a mistake to lie. Er, woops! Everybody unless you are a liberal, including the liberal lame stream media, led by heap, big homosexual and liar himself, good ole fraudulent illegal immigrant and muslim barry soetoro ala (also lied as) barack hussein oblamer.
Some have said its ok for the President to lie to the public, because he has our best interest at heart, so they say.
IMPEACH! Under the constitution — a president must be born on American Soil! This is so unbelievable that
NOTHING is being done to rid barack of the office he doesn’t even qualify to hold. He will socialize our country before our unbelievable representatives come to the table – it will all be over!
Yes, McCain is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. The DemocRATs and Repukes did not submit an eligible person for the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections. Senate Resolution 511 was a scam, promoted by 99 US traitor Senators.
Very few people in America are natural citizens there
“BO” is not and has never been eligible for this office, he was placed there by our electoral college and allowed to force this nation into a third world country while our House and Senate blows smoke up your @ss. We cannot vote these people out of office and unless we the people do something drastic, all our freedoms and sovereignty will be removed. This has been in the works for decades. Absolute power is corrupt.
The members of the electoral college are nominated (placed there) by the Democrat and Repubican political parties. It is Congress who is constitutionally mandated NOT to seat an ineligible or unqualified President (and they ALL knew he was not a natural born citizen; therefore ineligible/unqualified.) It is also Congress’ responsibility to impeach (House) and remove (Senate) a President who is guilty of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’ Obama’s constant abuses fo the Constitution and usurpation of the executive, legislative and judiciary Authority are clear examples of impeachable offenses.
The only reasonable analysis one can make is that all three branches of federal government are conspiring to destroy the Constitution. This is defined as TREASON in Article III, Section 3. Congress is not going to make any efforts, up to and including impeachment, when they are guilty of placing him in Office and allowing him to remain there as he dismantles our constitutionally guaranteed Rights and Liberties.
The only chance we have is to ‘FIRE’ Congress and replace them with new representation by men and women of honor and integrity–and they do still exist in the U.S. Just don’t look for them in the Democratic Party or the GOP, because those supported by thier lobbyist parties support the same platforms of the traitors currently residing in DC.
I think we need to impeach Congress, after we remove this imposter from the position he illegally and fraudulently usurped and stole from America! How many people are going to wake up and realize he is not supposed to be where he is and is a foreign agent and enemy of the USA, who has been doing his level best since gaining illegal access to the position he usurped, to destroy America and take away our rights as citizens. Let’s all get the word out and make things happen and get this joker out of the U.S.A.!
It’s past time for pitchtorches and forks.
Yeah, you guys had those funny characters over there
You could have a video tape of Obama himself saying he was born in Kenya and he would still remain president.. due to our passivity…
Give it a damn rest already. For Christ sake he was re elected his second term Get over it.
He should have never been on the ticket in the first election much less the second election. He was on the ticket through fraudulent means. Just because your name shows up on something, doesn’t mean it is legal or eligible if you have the person putting your name there willing to commit fraud.
I know 2 people who have paid for their permanent residence cards and I know 3 people who have bought US passports. They each paid $2500 and was given them outside the gates of the US Embassy across the street at a coffee shop by a Thai national who works in the embassy. A week later they come to America using those US passports. The point is, just because a name is on some document doesn’t mean it was put there legitimately and legally.
Not only is Obama’s name on a Hawaii birth certificate issued back in 1961 (when Republicans were in charge of the government in Hawaii) but the chance of Obama’s mother having traveled overseas in 1961 is like about a zillion to one against.
Ellen for the comment below …
The images are forgeries… They were created after Barry announced his WH run.
Images are NOT B/Cs.
There are no odds that Barry was born in Hawaii Because Barry wasn’t born in Hawaii…
Barry lied about the smears.
Barry created erroneous conspiracy theory trying to claim that people were smearing him …
The FACTS are that the 1991 bio demonstrates that the “born in Kenya” fact was published fact for over 16 years … That 1991 bio went through several editions including being posted for years on the lit agent’s own website.
Authors wrote and still do write their own bios for that lit agent and every other lit agent in the industry because an author’s “job” is to write all of the materials’ that will be used both in the book and in presenting that book idea to publishers.
The lit agent’s “job” is to suggest what needs to be edited but the author does the re-writes if it needs editing and when the lit agent gets the author to write an acceptable submission packet…. Then the lit agent uses that author written submission packet to use as materials to give to the publishers to see if they will offer to publish the book once it is finally written by ( …guess who?) the author.
Barry’s 1991 bio was actually written by him for a failed book project that was going to be titled “Journeys in Black and White…
Then in 1995 the 1991 bio was resurrected to be used to promote his next book idea which was DFMF.
(1) Barry’s life myth as recounted in the 2004 edited edition of DFMF is full of lies…
SAO was not in Hawaii in August ,1961 at all.
So Sr didn’t leave the Sr Obama family…
Because SAO and Barry II were over 2000 miles away iin Washington state until Sr left for Harvard…
Thus the Sr Obama family never lived together as a family for SR to leave it!
SAO was registered and taking classes at the UofW from the Fall,1961 quarter until the end of the Spring,1962 quarter ….
The 1961 UofW academic calendar shows that a completed admissions app needed to be submitted no later than August 1,1961 …
Her friend Rusk states that she saw SAO on Mercer Island and states that she was staying on Mercer Island…
That means that SAO wasn’t there for a short whirlwind visit…
SAO’s UofW address was in Seattle on Capital Hill.
Her name appears in 2 different Seattle phone directories starting in 1961.
The Dunhams were wealthy enough to pay for her education at the UofW in addition to flying her to Kenya to Washington and then to Hawaii after her UofW time as a student….
Then they were wealthy enough so that she could start at the UofH up again in the Spring of 1963.
WND didn’t make the FOIA request.
ALL of Barry’s current relatives are illegal aliens with phony documentation including stolen SSNs.
Sr had to voluntarily deporte himself and the INA didn’t know he had left until weeks after he had left….
Which means the INA records allegedly showing that Sr didn’t leave can’t be used to prove that he didn’t leave to go back to Kenya from 1959 until 1964.
Barry is just following Obama family traditions.
(2) SAO didn’t need Sr to go along …
She was traveling alone to Washington state.
(3) The recording of a birth can happen w/o the birth even being attended … Likely Madelyn reported the birth after the fact via an unattended birth report.
The Obot eyewitness is just another Obot lying for Barry that is telling an undocumented story to reinforce the delusions of the Obots just like Barry is telling a story that is based on the lie that he told erroneously claiming that he was being smeared when he was just creating phony conspiracy theory to get the Obots to start fighting smears that did not exist..
All three Obot non-points are simply Obot non-points.
Barry has more than two sources stating he was born in Kenya and SAO’s friends place here in Washington state in August….SAO was taking classes which required a completed admissions app be submitted bfore August 1,1961 and the next door neighbor to the birth announcment address states that Barry was never brought home to that address as a newborn infant at all. Sr had two different apartments and SAO never lived at either one…
Hal Abercrombie and another friend of Sr stated that they never saw SAO and Sr together at all and Neil lied by trying to claim that he was here when Barry was born…. Neil later recanted and stated he saw SR and SAO with Barry at social functions but that was a lie also because SAO and Barry were in Washington state and stayed there until after Sr left for Harvard.
He’s not eligible for, President of the United States. He is, however, CEO of corporate America. That’s one reason he wants to shred our Constitution.
What are the ramifications, NOT A DAMN THING, because the American Public is Chicken Shit stupid. That’s what the ramifications will be.
I guess we had to vote for him to find out where he was born.
Obama really was born in HAWAII, as his birth certificate, and the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers, and it only did so in 1961 for births in Hawaii) all show.
Treason, convict and sentence to the maximum penalty
Obama has been caught in a lot of lies lately. This one is no different. So who is to blame for Obama getting elected? Nancy Pelosi ! Her duty as speaker was to vet and verify the credentials of the candidate Obama. Had she used due diligence and all the investigative resources of the government, he would have been outed as the fraud he was then and is now. She , alone is responsible for the Obama presidency. What a fine kettle of fish she has gotten us in…………..Ollie !
In fact, Obama really was born in HAWAII, as his birth certificate, and the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers, and it only did so in 1961 for births in Hawaii) and the teacher who wrote home (to her father, named Stanley, after being told of a birth in Hawaii to a woman named Stanley) all show.
As a fairly level headed South African, I can safely say that of the only persons fit yo be an American president would be an Apache Indian. Africans were imported after English (calling themselves american after 300 or so years) explored (invaded)
Which Mensa Midget stated that McCain was Naturalized? I don’t like the old guy, but he definitely is/was qualified to run. He was born to American parents, both U.S. citizens, outside the U.S. while his father served in the Navy (Admiral McCain). As stated in an earlier post, those are the same requirement/qualifications as citizens posted abroad for foreign service.
Ellen, who are you trying to convince that Obama was born in the US? Us or yourself? When Obama states publicly under oath that he was born in the United States, I might believe him! Oh by the way…have you lost your medical insurance yet or are you a privalaged Obama government worker?
Re: “Ellen, who are you trying to convince that Obama was born in the US?”
Answer: I post the facts on the off-chance that a rational person may visit this site and desire to see the facts.
The evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii is:
(1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);
(2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;
(3) the public Index Data file;
(4) the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);
(5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;
(6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now—twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);
(7) no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961;
(8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;
(9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);
(10) birther sites LIED about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;
(11) Birther sites having lied about what Obama’s grandmother said, and other things too, makes it highly likely that their “document experts” are lying too—and numerous real document experts say that the birth certificate is not forged, and that is confirmed by the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre (which shows how that product scans documents and compresses them using layers and pixillaton).
Re my health insurance. That has nothing whatever to do with Obama’s place of birth.
Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:
Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
It should be a cause of mortal embarrassment that an organization calling itself a “Center for JOURNALISM” couldn’t be bothered to fact-check a story that was clearly an outright lie. The liars didn’t even have the brains to find an illustration for their fake story that didn’t have Breidbart’s watermark on it.
Hey ellen, the *real* reason your hero Dinglebarry is a usurper is because he was\still is an Indonesian national. Even if he’s a naturalized US citizen today, a naturalized citizen can NEVER be a Natural Born Citizen.
All the conversation about Kenya is moot and a diversion from the real issue.
Re: ” was\still is an Indonesian national.”
A call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
When will millions more voters understand national democrats have that mental illness called utopian secular socialism? When?
The arrogant apostles of socialism like the OzBama have a mental disorder…
they infect nation after nation using bold lies, smears, demons and fantasy promises to sell/defend their naturally toxic policies…it is what they must do…there is no ethical aspect to them, just tactics to get power over people.
They are the ultimate flimflam scam artists.
They buy the votes of the bottom less successful half of voters with the money from the upper successful half…
then, as the natural rot of their polices sets in…
they let loose with a stream of demons and promises because utopian fairness never ever ever arrives…
Fidel can fill you in on how its done…its been done dozens of times across the globe..spreading misery as the 10% of elite socialists loot the nation…did I mention the OzBama has gained 11 million in wealth since 2008? Is that “enough? LOL”…do not look for him to “re-distribute” much at all…the pain of toxic socialism is for others, always for others…suckas…do you not learn anything from world history? Anything”
Its always “one one trillion and one more year”…always.
(I am theconservativecrawfish.wprdpress)
It is easy enough to find the truth. Check out the you tube video entitled “Born in Kenya II” where you will hear Obama’s paternal grandmother, his “Mama Sara” speaking with pride about having been an eye-witnesst to his birth…THERE IN MOMBASA, KENYA. What I would like to know is when members of our House, Senate and Supreme Court are going to have the INTEGRITY to demand accountability and drive the usurper OUT of the oval office?
Obama’s paternal grandmother never said any such thing. Here is what she really said:
MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
[Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]
OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.
OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)
[At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice.]
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.
Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.
( “I think,etc.”) ?
That transcript only quotes the Obama family member translator….
The other translator who was there and heard it and recounts that he saw that the Obama family members there were trying to coach Sarah and so he relates the family members were desperately trying to tell Sarah to state that Barry was born in Hawaii and she was insistent that she meant that he was born in Mombasa …
Even Salon wrote an article that had the author stating that a woman can be heard in the background saying “Mombasa”….
WND writes that friends of the family that stated that they knew Sarah stated that they recognized that voice that they heard in the background as Sarah’s ….
The translator sent there by McCrae that was submitted in a affidavit’s version of the story is of course vindicated by the 1991 bio that states that Barry was “born in Kenya” and that 1991 bio also demonstrates that Barry lied about the smears and created erroneous conspiracy theory.
There were many Obamas’ there …
McCrae’s Christian missionay translator states that they had obviously been coached by Barry’s campaign…
Even after that phone call Sarah has been quoted things that indicates that she still wants to shown as having been there when it happened…
The official transcript ( Obviously Ellen is quoting an edited version….) actually has places in which the person doing the transcription writes that the transmission is garbled…
Ellen obviously kind of sort of didn’t use that version and opted for the Obot friendly version instead.
Note also that Ellen reads into the transcript that Ogombe isn’t aware that Barry of claiming since he announced that he was born in Hawaii…
Of course Sarah (Paraphrased.) stating she was there when he was born in Mombasa was sure to cause a stir…
Which of course it did.
The 1991 bio vindicates the McCrae’s translators’ affidavit that he signed and submitted to a US court of law.
Because it was embarrassing to Barry and exposed yet more Barry lies …Sarah also was said to be a Christian by the Obots and yet she and a Barry 1/2 brother attended the Hajj in Mecca and of course non-Muslims will be killed if they are found inside Mecca at all.
All this argument about where Liar-in-Chief was born is irrelevant now that we’re in a post-constitutional age. Neither the congress, the executive nor the judiciary follow the U.S. Constitution any more. Obama is obvious with his executive orders and use of regulatory agencies to change laws unilaterally –the Obamacare switcheroos being most obvious lately. Recently a Senator offered a bill to make it mandatory that each bill submitted reference where it is authorized in the Constitution and it couldn’t even get out for a vote. The Supremes are in many ways even worse as they are supposed to backstop the the other branches but they ignore the law of the land regularly the latest being okaying Obamacare takeover of the healthcare industry as a tax when tax bills have to be originated in the House under out Constitution. It didn’t.
So, the fact that this president is probably illegitimate doesn’t seem to matter. Then there’s the issue of voter fraud… Face it, we’re losing all of the greatness and exceptional we inherited and prospered from. And the recent budget deal shows that Repubs go along with the Dems in the decline of the Republic.
Harvard says Kenya Birth??? Picture now crystal clear. Barry was depending heavily on “Foreign Student” status for a free ride! That lying SOB was feeding at the public trough even then; still is!
Present mystery is why Congress is still sitting on their hands is DEEP mystery. By rights we should be in the second or third year of the crazy Biden regime laughing ourselves silly and a lot better off.
It sure is nice to watch “ellen” get bitch-slapped over and over. And all she or he has is the same cut and paste she has been touting for years now. Way too much evidence has surface since she began and yet she keeps repeating her weak arguments like some liberal child who was taught to keep lying and it will be perceived as truth. Wonder why she is the ONLY commenter on this site that holds her views. Maybe it is her hope to one day be a defense attorney. She’d better dig a little deeper in search of ability because her display here proves she has a long way to go.
Re: “Way too much evidence has surface since she began…”
There is NO evidence that Obama was born in a foreign country. Simply saying that there is “too much evidence” does not make any.
The rational people have read and already debunked the silly Obot nonsense…
The WH image was known to be a forgery w/in minutes of the WH posting it on the WH website…
And of course POB matters only when it combines in conjunction with US citizen parents…
POB in country w/o the US citizen parents is just a silly bunch of Obot nonsense…
The FACTS are that the English only always automatically naturalized the children of aliens that had been made denizens before the children made into subjects were born and that was done via letters of patent issued by the king….
Black writes that the children born before the aliens were made denizens could not inherit,etc. while the children born after their parents became denizens could not.
Thomas Jefferson wrote that those that owed allegiance to a foreign country were aliens…
The 1866 Civil Rights act stated that children of foreigners were not citizens….
The Slaughterhouse and Elk vs Wilkins were both rulings that cite the 14th and those rulings cite the 1866 CRA…
John Elk despite being born in country was not declared a US citizen because Gray in Elk vs Wilkins ruled that those that owed allegiance to another power needed to be naturalized to become a US citizen…
Gray was full of bovine dung when he wrote the ruling in US vs WKA….
The English simply didn’t ignore the parents’ subject status to make any ol’ child born of alien parents in the kingdom a natural-born subject.
The WH images and the COLB images are forgeries because Barry doesn’t have anything that proves his erroneous Hawaiian POB claims!
Now onto the numbered Obot nonsense.
(1) images on the internet are NOT B/Cs…
STOP pretending that they are…
Barry has NEVER produced a physical record at all.
The images are purposely created forgeries.
The Obots cite a series of Obot debunked theories and then pretend that they had all of the answers from day one! LOL
OCR/optimization was THE 1st Obot theory trotted out…
Dr C and the Obots 1st claimed that OCR/optimization accounted for everything in the layered monstrosity …
Then that was debunked and then the Obots trotted out Woods with the claim that the “LFBC” was scanned in upside down into a PC, rotated, e-mailed. converted into a PDF on a MC running OSX,etc…
Then that Wood’s theory was debunked and so the Obots trotted out the Xerox Work Centre with a software glitch theory…
ALL Obot theories of course are debunked junk because of course the fact is that the WH image was in Adobe Photoshop before the WH Press Gaggle started… The AP photo when examined has the letter,etc. from other copies bleeding through from behind as the AP copy was copied from as it was sitting atop the copier’s glass with other copies sitting on top of it…
So the also trot out lone visitor to the “LFBC” that was a reporter that claims she was the only reporter allowed to handle and then take a pic of the “LFBC” Which is just a copy of the WH image.
(2) Hawaiian statute 33:18 prohibits disclosure of all info concerning records held by the HDOH to all those that lack direct and tangible interest…
The public lacks direct and tangible interest so the public statements are pure hyperbole…
Lingle via Fukino were caught with their hands in the cookie jar and rather than getting prosecuted for violating the law by trying to sneak a peek both agreed to roll over and play dead.
Again 338:18 prohibits all disclosure to all those that lack direct and tangible interest…
The public ( Including the Obots. ) doesn’t have direct and tangible interest…
No one from the HDOH or the guv’s office either Dim or R has disclosed diddly squat including that the HDOH has a record that states Barry was born in Hawaii!
The verifications can only certify that the birth took place and not POB,etc. .
(3) The Public index file is also subject to 338:18 and is acquired from index data which can come from any number of dubious sourced birth records.
The Public index file ONLY lists name and gender info.
(4) THe newspaper announcements do not state a POB for the unnamed son…. A next door neighbor is quoted as saying that Barry II was never brought home to that address as a newborn infant or ever….The address listed was NOT the home address of Sr … So Sr did not live with SAO there and so there would be no legal reason to list the address as Mr and Mrs Barack H Obama Sr ‘s address… Classes Began on August 19th,1961 and SAO was in Washington state attending the UofW for the Fall 1961 quarter which had a completed enrollment app deadline of August 1,1961… That would of course require Mercer Island High School grade transcripts…SAO’ friends give eyewitness friend’s account states SAO was staying on Mercer Island when she saw her there… Which of course would predate the address and phone records that list her Seattle Capital Hill address which is the address that she stayed at while attended the night and then FT classes she took from the 1961 Fall quarter to the end of Spring 1962 quarter classes which would have ended in June ,1962…Her friend Rusk also recounts that she visited SAO at the Seattle Capital Hill address when she was not working or attending classes while Rusk was there to visit the Seattle World’s Fair which opened in April, 1962 and ran until October ,1962… SAO didn’t return to classes at the UofH until Spring of 1963 and that was fater Sr had left for Harvard.
(5) The teacher is an Obot that created a too much added info into an already nonsense story. The teacher’s story is w/o a doubt a lie. Those Obot stories didn’t start surfacing until after the fact that people pointed out that there were no eyewitness accounts from Drs nurses, etc… Conveniently the Dr that reportedly told the story is dead.
The Obots’ “birth doctor” is named in the WH image forgery…
So they had to make the teacher’s doctor be just someone that overheard the story! LOL
( 6) Barry was born twice “in fact”? ? LOL
Naturally the hospital hasn’t produced any records at all to back up those Obot claims.
Before Kapiolani all of the Obots were claiming the birth hospital was Queens and it only became Queens because Lingle claimed the birth records stated it was Kapiolani forcing the Obots to do a switcheroo to be made in the birth hospital claims.
(7) The evidence is that the original actual SAO passport app was conspicuously absent from the FOIA obtained info while SAO’s name was already needing to be changed before she could travel to Indonesia…
The very first instance of what the Obots mistakenly think is an app as shown was SAO filling out a renewal app and later the name change was also made on a renewal app… SAO had at least 3 passport numbers throughout her life…
So the number shown on the renewal could even be a 4th passport number.
Stanley Anne Obama also could have traveled to Kenya via Canada… Those air travel,etc. stats are NOT included in the stats shown in the statistics the Obots cite.
(8) Rare doesn’t mean impossible and SAO would have had to have traveled pregnant to have arrived in Washington state in 1961 because she was there by no later than August 1.1961.
(9) Kenyan legislators declared that Barry was born in country… The 1991 bio states that he was born in Kenya… There was no smear for the Obots to fight … Barry LIES like a rug…. Of course Barry’s pal Odinga is covering for him.
(10) The translator’s quote is vindicated by the 1991 bio… Barry lied and so there was NO smear for the gullible Obots to fight.
What you quote from the transcript is in fact what the family member is quoted as saying… Even Salon acknowledged that a woman can be heard in the background saying “Mombasa”… And again the 1991 bio vindicates the translator’s account of the phone call.
(11)Barry LIED meaning that the Obots and also their so called experts are either gullible goofs that are as bamboozled as the Obots that cite them or they are lying. The forged WH image file was in fact in Adobe Photoshop before the WH Press Gaggle started just as the Snopes image file was in Adobe Photoshop before the FighTheSmears site became the recipient of that forgery… The Xerox workstation baloney was debunked before it was even suggested by the Obots…
Layers and pixxil -ation is NOT the same thing as sections of text and graphics being able to be moved while other sections on the same layer stay put….
Multiple types of typewriter letters from different typewriter, different sized letters,etc. also are seen in the image…
A Xerox Workcentre software glitch didn’t create those either.
The OCR,the Woods goofy theories were of course debunked by the actual experts that demonstrated that the WH image couldn’t be produced by those methods suggested by the Obot crack pot experts and now the Obots have new “experts” that are now suggesting yet another crack pot theory and the fact that the WH image was in Adobe Photoshop entirely debunks the idea that a scan of an actual LFBC ever took place…
Including the Obot crack pot theory that a Xerox Workcentre with a software glitch caused the masking clip to appear along with the moveable parts w/in the layers along with haloes around the letters,numbers, along with the different typewriter letters of different sizes, with partially drawn in signatures that were C&Pd in anyways, etc….
And again BARRY LIED because the “born in Kenya” fact was published fact 16 years before the lying goof could ever claim that he was being smeared!
The Obots were sent on a fools’ mission to defend a w/o a doubt radical serial liar!
The fact is that it’s a given that at least some Obots are willing to lie for Barry ….So to back up any claims for a Hawaiian birth the HDOH and the hospital needs to produce the PHYSICAL birth records to back up their claims.
Obviously the Obots are always trying to keep that from happening by using smoke and mirrors lame excuses to claim that the issues are already settled when all they’ve done is allowed themselves to be scammed by lies that got them defending Barry against what was just facts and so were not smears at all.
Re: My health insurance. That has nothing to with Barry’s POB?
Not that much in that has most to do with Barry being a radical lying goof.
However since Barry is ineligible no matter where he was born…
Every action taken by the ineligible goof is an illegal action.
The Framers intentionally required natural-born citizens be POTUS after the original US citizens died out.
The English didn’t do what Gray claims that they did in that the English naturalized the children of aliens made denizens…
Denizens are a form of naturalized English subject that is created by way of the King issuing letters of patent …
Which of course means that the English had knowledge that the aliens applying to become subjects were there legally and their children born after that were naturalized as a result of the parents being naturalized first.
The English didn’t have alien anchor babies that were made into English subjects simply because they were born there regardless of the parents subject status.
There have been literally billions of words written about BO and his ineligibility to obtain the office of president. Everyone knows he’s not eligible however can you smell conspiracy, if not you should.
Ellen is no different than most liberals. They have no moral values so therefore the truth is what they want it to be at the time. After all, isn’t their messiah the (appointed one) a liar by the Name of Barrack Hussein Obama? To them, there is no heaven and no hell, so they believe they MUST create their own heaven. They can’t even use the word heaven so they call it Utopia! The real war we fight is a lack of faith among the left. Most of them have never seen the inside of a church and care only of self. They kill their own unborn, throw babies into trashbins, lie with a straight face, fill our young with PC nonsense in their government schools, give each other awards for doing nothing of the kind, spend our children’s futures to serve their political purposes (with our taxes), give favors to their supporters in the unions and media and then tell the rest of us that they are the ones that have compassion for “the children” and the poor! Was it not the Democrats that created the “victim” groups these past 50 years as a means to control them? All communist leaders follow this Marxist agenda but the schools will never teach the facts to our children! All we can hope for is for good American people to wake up! before it is too late.
Rational people will notice that phdphysics has not responded to the facts. Actually, phdphysics has not commented on the “Harvard Bio: Obama “Born in Kenya” subject at all. The facts are that the bio is a mistake (people do make mistakes you know). The likely cause of the mistake was the fact that Barack Hussein Obama I (Obama’s father) was born in Kenya, but that Barack Hussein Obama II (the president) was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii show. The mistake has been admitted by the writer of that bio, who admitted not checking with Obama. And, of course, the mistake of the writer of a bio does not make someone born in Kenya—especially since the government of Kenya says that Obama was not born there.
We are not discussing whether you like Obama or dislike him–you have a right to dislike him—only the place of his birth. Not liking someone does not make them born in a foreign country.
Don’t forget that Accidental, oops, I meant Occidental College-accepted his application and subsidized his Liberal Re-Education as a Foreign Exchange Student. His natural mother told truth to get aid-the rest are complicit liars. Arnold might have cheated on a Kennedy-but of course what Kennedy didn’t cheat on his wife, lie, bootleg during the Great Depression, fix elections, etc., but Arnold couldn’t be President since he was born in Austria. Still, all said and done, 20X better a man than Barack Sadam Hussein Obama will EVER BE. Uncle should have been deported for a DWI-Barry rigged it recently so he could stay and leach off U.S. taxpayers-and his Dad killed himself in Kenya while driving drunk there. No alcohol problem in this family, huh? Yo, Barry-where were you all those nights when Michelle complained and finally married you just because she was pregnant? And Michelle, is your husband a Roman Catholic Nun back from the 1950′s-WHERE ARE ALL/ANY/COLLEGE/HIGH SCHOOL/POT SMOKING/SUPER FLY LOVING GIRLFRIENDS???
Re: “ccidental College-accepted his application and subsidized his Liberal Re-Education as a Foreign Exchange Student…”
No it didn’t. That story comes from an April Fool’s article. There has never been a particle of confirmation.
As for the rest—simply loony ravings. Not a shred of evidence to support a single one. In fact, they give the conservative movement a bad name. They are fine examples of why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all have at one time or another called birthers CRAZY.
Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, not Kenya, and that is shown by his Hawaii birth certificate (confirmed repeatedly by the officials of both parties in Hawaii and by the Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961), and the Kenyan government said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” story—and that it DID NOT HAPPEN.
Here is the Index Data file:
Here is the statement by the Kenyan embassy that it investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and that he wasn’t born there:
Doesn’t matter that Lingle is Palin’s “friend” or that she runs as an R.
Ann and Glenn can have an opinion…
Their opinion is NOT a fact.
IF party affiliation should sway anyone ….
The first lawsuit was filed by a Dem… Berg.
Subsequent ones filed by Leo D were filed by someone that proclaimed that he wasn’t an R, conservative ,etc….
Many other law suits have been filed by Dems too….
Which means of course the issue is a Constitutional one and NOT a party or ideological one….
So stop the typical Obot baloney spin that this issue only is one taken up by conservatives.
Long before this issue ever became an issue Rs ,Ds ,Whigs, etc. were proclaiming that the parents’ allegiance and citizenship mattered … Framers that had no political party affiliation at the time of the Founding were declaring that the father must be a US citizen that took part in the fight for freedom. The Farmer’s declared their “Our Posterity” was included in with the original “We the People”‘ being protected by the US Constitution while writing that the US Congress’ only enumerated power was to pass uniform naturalization laws obviously so that the parents that were foreigners and aliens would have the only avenue open to them and their children for US citizenship.
The index file is not a birth certificate …
It’s data obtained from raw data mined from birth records that can even be created after the fact.
There were no smears for the Obots to fight…
Barry’s own self authored bio from 1991 states as a fact that he was “born in Kenya” and merely “raised in Hawaii” and that was published for over 16 years and only finally changed in 2007 after Barry announced.
Reid, Pelosi, Biden and anyone who Vetted Obama is guilty of Treason, anyone who now knows and does nothing is guilty of Treason? The Investigation that is underway will be the biggest in history as we have a Criminal who illegally took control of America. THIS IS TREASON…
Correct. The entire Democratic Party is treasonous. Every State Democratic Party Director, the many Secretary of States of the 50 States, are guilty of misprision of felony and more than likely treason. Just think about it. How many people have knowledge of, or should have known, that Obama is not eligible for office. Not only has Obama violated the Constitutional separation of powers, but he using his position as Commander in Chief, ordered the United States Military to make war on a sovereign Nation: Libya. In the course of prosecuting this war, scores of civilians were murdered. Now information comes out that Obama and his Cabinet are supporting Islamist in Syria and North Africa. War crimes, or at the very least, crimes of murder and crimes against humanity are appropriate. I simply do not understand why the International Criminal Court Prosecutors are not acting. The world knows that Obama is ineligible. Lets not forget that Attorney General Eric Holder, and others gave Obama written decisions stating that Obama as Commander in Chief has the authority to murder US Citizens residing abroad. A US Citizen does not lose his Rights because he is abroad. Murder is murder. And Obama is guilty of ordering it, and those that carried out illegal orders are in violation of the UCMJ as well, which states that no member of the Armed Forces is compelled to carry out an illegal order.
just shows that he knows how to scam the system and the people
In the mean time the American people are being hornswoggled by the Liberal media that keeps covering up for him. I am sorry to report but all of you that did vote for Obama either the first time or his stolen second term. Are going to realize someday that there person that they trusted has betrayed them. I remember when he came out with the phony Birth Certificate. He smirked like saying that he pulled a fast one on the American people. I hate to say this but he fooled everyone. Please people come to grips as to finding out who this man really is. The Liberal media is protecting him. And anyone that crosses there path will get called a racist.
Enough talk. impeach the liar. Regardless of this he is a war criminal and a criminal of the US Constitution. IMPEACH HIS ASS
This farce has been going on now for nearly 60 months. The SOB and his enablers have conned the entire country and whatever else you can say, we’ have been had. The conspiracy to put King Obama in as ruler of the United States was successful, but now it is time to get down to ridding ourselves of this phony and his supporting cast.
Obama’s tree has borne nothing but the fruits of islam and Marxist/Socialism. This to prune this sucker and get back to the business of the United States of America and nor not the business of Allah and Marx and Lenin.
Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii) all show, and every child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats:
Obama really did win the election of 2012 and really was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress–and that included the votes of Rep. Michelle Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul—and he really was sworn in several times by that RINO, the chief justice of the USA.
No really Barry was born in Kenya…
His self authored 1991 bio states it as fact…
That 1991 bio demonstrates that Barry lied to the Obots because there were no smears for the Obots to fight….
In both the 2008 and 2012 elections …
Dims went into rest homes and carted mentally disabled and the aged suffering from dementia to vote Dem….
Entire inner city voting districts voted only for Dem candidates…
“Power outages” and R voting judges being run out of voting locations…
And of course Dems even as far back as LBJ and JFK have stuffed ballot boxes…
The facts are now coming in demonstrating the widespread voter fraud involving illegal aliens and also many Dims voting multiple times….
That is of course the actual reason why the Dims are fighting against voter ID laws….
Barry stole the election.
So not only is Barry illegally occupying the WH because he ain’t eligible no matter where he was born ,but the Dims had to use voter fraud to create the illusion that he got the most votes.
Even Fact check acknowledges Barry was born a British subject.
“An alien is the subject or citizen of a foreign power.” – Thomas Jefferson
An expression once made use of by an attorney-general of the United States^ is sometimes cited in support of the proposition that an individual may be clothed with a double nationality or citizenship at one and the same time.^ The conclusion of the attorney-general, in the language cited, finds no support either in modern public law or in municipal law. It may not be said in any correct sense that, in the case under consideration, the son had ” two nationalities.”
As long as he remained a minor, the son followed the nationality or citizenship (original or acquired) of the father.* The maxim ” Partus sequitur patrem ” applies. During minority the son was sub potestate parentis. The nationality or citizenship of the father was the nationality or citizenship of the son ; or, rather, during all the period of minority, the son did not possess any nationality or citizenship independent of his father. The moment the son attained majority, according to the law of domicile, the right of election (le droit d’optioji) applied to him ; and he was competent
to decide whether he would be American or German. This election would, of course, be manifested by appropriate declarations and acts.^ The expression relied upon must have been used inadvertently ; for it does not display the accuracy or caution which characterizes other parts of the same opinion.
^ Lecture on Scientific History of Education.
* Steinkauler’s Case, Opinions of Attorneys-General, Vol. XV. p. 17.
* Advocate of Spain (J. D. McPherson), arg. in Buzzi’s Case before
Umpire (Count Lewenhaupt), United States and Spanisli Commission, Wasli-
iugtou, D. C.
* Pliillimore, Cora. Int. Law, Vol. I. p. 38, citing Foelix, Droit Int. Prive.
Orrin Hatch and many Rs wanted Arnold to be able to become POTUS….
Orrin Hatch and many other Rs were wrong about that too.
The English only automatically naturalized the children of denizens.
Re: “his stolen second term. ”
Dream on. If his second term had been “stolen,” Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Karl Rove or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee or the National Review or the Republican governors or secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it, but not one of them did.
I remember the video where Obama’s grandmother said she was the first one to hold him when he was born = in Kenya. Of course the video is gone now.
Probably because there never was any video of her saying that. Since she never did say it.
I could care less where this traitor was born.As I sit here and write this Obama has signed another destructive executive order relinquishing control of the internet,our military has been purged to pre war world 2 numbers,and every day we find out more and more the world has never been more dangerous.92 million people are not only out of work but most likely have no desire to return.52 million are on food stamps and the federal government advertises the food stamp program in Mexico.I,m not even going to get into the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the American people Obama care. Soon that will be a one pay system what the socialist wanted from the get go..In short America is screwed.So congratulations to every single moron that voted for this piece of garbage.
That is NOT a page from 1991 Harvard Law Review or from any other edition of the Harvard law Review. It’s from an advertising brochure produced by the publisher of Obama’s first book. The actual book, of course, specifically says he was born in Hawaii. The publisher was in error when writing up that bio.
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Righteous indignation regarding such matters is often based more on contempt for Christianity rather than a respect for religious liberty.