Hospital records are not official birth certificates. Obama has already shown his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii. This is sufficient.
Excuse me Ellen, but what facts on it were confirmed? Other then his name, his mother's name and his father's name along with a date of birth, there were NO FACTS. A Certificate of Live Birth is NOT the same as a Birth Certificate. My birth certificate has not only my mother and father's names, and my name and date of birth, but it also contains the name of the doctor who attended my birth and the name of the Hospital in which I was born.
It also contained such information as to my weight and length at birth and one of my foot prints, along with other "information". I am sure that your birth certificate contains the same information as mine. What Obama produced does NOT.
Many official birth certificates do not include all of the things you listed. For example, while footprints are common on commemorative (not legal) hospital birth certificates, they are much less common on official ones (my wife and I and our kids have BC's from four different states, and none have footprints).
Footprint or no footprint the Certification of Live Birth is not a long form birth certificate, will not get you a passport, a drivers license, nada! It total BS that even one of the Chinese royal family got, Sun Yat Sen, who never set foot in Hawaii. The ignorant kool aid drinker is an example of the type of mutant that voted for a total impostor and a serial felon. Hey Ellen, the certificate you tout shows his fathers race as African…………REALLY! That's a continent, not a race. Black or negro were the descriptions for race on BC's back then and probably still is the case. So thanks to sub-human America haters like ellen (lower case is appropriate here) our nation has devolved into an abject tyranny and is all but dead. As to her assertion that three Rino officials confirmed his birth……how? Even the new Governor of Hawaii, an avowed Communist can't seem to locate the usurpers actual long form BC. There are no, I repeat there are no Republicans in Hawaii, never have been. You see it's one big welfare state dominated by sellouts. I have been there many times and it is overwhelmingly liberal! One other thing for Ellen to ponder, if she knows what the word means, is the fact that the meaningless document in question was judged by the top two forensic document experts in America as an outright forgery. Total photoshop job! Serial trolls and sellouts need not populate a site inhabited by real patriots. One other thing for the genius ellen to ponder, dual loyalties disqualify anybody from running for the Presidency. Ellen's mulatto in chief Barry, is a citizen of three at least three if not four countries. Stick a fork in Soetero the bumbling puppet, the greatest criminal fraud in American history!
Re Dual loyalties. Who told you that? Where does the Constitution say anything about dual loyalties? Did you know that Thomas Jefferson WAS a dual national of the USA and France when he was president? He had been made a full voting citizen of France (with the right to serve in the French government) by the French legislature during the French Revolution.
If the writers of the US constitution had said that dual nationals were not eligible or that dual nationals could not be Natural Born, that would be different. But they never said any such thing. You are, of course, entitled to vote against dual nationals in the next election. But others have the right to vote for them, and the US Congress confirmed Obamas' election UNANIMOUSLY and not a single elector in the Electoral College changed his or her vote.
Re the allegation that Abercrombie "can't locate" Obama's birth certificate. Answer: That is not true. Abercrombie said no such thing. WND said that he said it, but he didn't say it.
Oh, and the CertifiCATION of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports. And, the McCain campaign checked on the allegations of forgery as they checked the allegations of birth in Kenya–and found them both to be false. (And the attorney general of Hawaii for the last four years till December was a Conservative Republican. If he had thought that there was anything wrong with the image of the birth certificate or the confirmations of the THREE Republican officials, he would have taken action–but he didn't.)
Not the same Ellen! Why is it that every one else during that period of live births can show their birth certificates but Obama can not?
Like the guy that CNN showed on TV last night that was born 17 hours after President Obama?
His Birth certificate looked just like the Presidents COLB.
They had laserprinted COLBs back in 1961?
Don't be obtuse.
Within THREE hours of when you first posted, and not always
on until breaks, I wouldn't say so obtuse. I do choose to be a
little obnoxious once in a while though.
(I like to say "THREE" like ellen) not one, not two, but "THREE
Republican Officials" – the "Official soft drink of the NFL!"
Suranis you know that is bs!
BS Suranis & you know so!
Just show the birth certificate Ellen! Which you can not!
I Assume you were yelling at John mcCain to show his Birth certificate too when he refused point blank to publish his.
you do know that John McCain refused to show his Birth certificate, right. Now are you going to tell me that you would be sitting here raging at McCain for not showing his birht certificate at all if McCain had won the election?
I don't think so…
Suranis what ever you are smoking i want some!
James no one is questioning your birth certificate nor your wife's or children! Obama's is in question here! Facts are that it is a proven fact that all those items do exist on all birth certificates at the time of Obama's birth! That is except for Obama's birth certificate obviously!
Just show the thing!
ellen,,,,you are an IDIOT!!! I have abd have had my Official Birth cert and i used it to get a D/L and into the military and Even had to use it to get ON BOARD a Cruise liner….It has all the info the Cert of live birth does not!! This is a FRAUD and so are you!!!
You are correct hospital records are not official birth certificates just as a certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. The birth certificate being referred to is just like the one you have provided you are a US citizen. Official Birth Certificates state facts and have the address, the state the hospital is located in along with the birth parents both father and mother the time of birth as well as the attending physician and nurses signatures. Now tell me did the certificate that was plastered all over the internet have any of the above mentioned information? Answer NO therefore the birth certificate issue is still an issue and will be until he produces a long form birth certificate. There is just one little problem though, he does NOT HAVE ONE!!
Totally wrong? Congress is to qualify a President first off,not any other officials state or hospital. The certification is only an abbreviated document and does not have the pertinent info such as hospital and doctor named. NO one has ever produced or verified a long form certificate and then there are the illegal social security numbers he has used and the fraudulent Selective Service registration. this is total fraud from someone who claims to have taught the Constitution. Impeachment must happen and soon and more fraud will be revealed then.
"Impeachment must happen and soon"
Sorry, ain't gonna happen–not one member of Congress has spoken in favor of it, and impeachment would require the votes of 218 (out of 435) members of the House–and then it would take 67 Senators to remove him from office.
James i would not make such a bold statement! If in fact Obama is proven to be a illegitimate President you will see both the House & Senate vote to impeach & remove Obama from office.
This is America not Communist Russia James!
" If in fact Obama is proven to be a illegitimate President"
Which won't happen; hence, my not-so-bold statement.
James it will! Hence my bold statement.
You are living in the past. Obama presented a document which was scanty on details, and expectations were not met. That was 3 years ago. If that document did not fix the problem, then he needed to provide one that did. Aka, the long form.
If you gave the IRS a receipt that was not itemized, and they asked you for an itemized receipt, would it take 3 years for you to cough it up??? Or would you just provide it???
Same here. Obama did not resolve the problem, and 3 years later we are all still fighting about it. This is ridiculous. There is no GOOD excuse for Obama to continue to drag this out. This is 100% the fault of Obama.
Plus, just because the short form version satisfied YOU, does not make those it did not satisfy crazy or anything. We just disagree.
CNN demonstrated that Obama can ask for an uncertified copy of his long form birth certificate. He can't get a certified copy. Would you be satisfied with an uncertified copy? If so, I'd agree that you're being reasonable, and that it's wrong to label you crazy or racist for wanting to see the uncertified long form. I think it's unreasonable, though, to ask for a certified copy which is not available to any Hawaiian born citizen.
Yes, assuming it was not signed by Peter Rabbit or something silly like that. The point is, to get something that has significant information on it. Certified or not. Like a hospital, or a doctor, or a witness.
I mean, assume I missed 3 days of work, and told my boss I was sick. My boss says, "What was wrong???" I say, "I was sick." Sooo, my boss says, bring me a Doctors excuse or you don't get paid. Sooo, I get a excuse from my doctor that says, "Squeeky was sick for 3 days."
My boss is not going to be satisfied, because it doesn't really provide anything. It could be true or false, but it is just sparse with info. Sooo, Boss says get something that has more info. Like Squeeky had the DT's and was seeing Pink Kenyans!!! (LOL).
Whatever it said, Boss would just feel more comfortable seeing something less bare. I don't think Boss would want it notarized or anything.
That's the way I feel about the long form. Mainly, just something that says more. Particularly after 3 years of stonewalling.
I wonder why your boss doesn't trust you.
Say tummy hurt. I had too much Unicorn meat. http://www.amazon.com/ThinkGeek-Canned-Unicorn-Me…
Works every time.
The short-form is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to prove their birth in Hawaii every year, and the facts on it were confirmed by three Republican officials. Many if not most US states have already adopted short-form birth certificates.
Ellen get a life! It just isn't the same! Just show us the birth certificate!
Planet earth to crying two year old: No.
Suranis such a stupid response by you!
But woulda/coulda/shoulda/ does not solve the problem. Which is easier way to resolve this:
a. Convince 75 million Americans they are wrong to have doubts.
b. Convince 1 Obama to cough up a copy of the long form.
I mean, it looks to me like this "distraction" that Carney says is sooo "appalling" , has a real quick answer—cough up the long form.
Ok, case finally closed.
Let's go on to some real issues now, ellen http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/27/6…
This man was not elected a dictator, this is a free enterprise nation, he has no right to control business, the problem is government, him!…..We need to demand he resign and leave office and our country immediately, what a walking joke, he has no business experience….
He is hiding something, and we need to know. His father was a drunk and his mother was, Who knows. Therefore is might be a SOB. He certainly is NOT presidential !!
Yes Mr. Obama, and you are one of those who does not want to expose the TRUTH because you are not telling the TRUTH! Where is your Birth Certificate,??? Show us the certificate! Truth is there is something wrong with it and that is the reason why you won't show it!!! That is fraudulant!!!
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth. There is nothing wrong with it. The McCain Campaign checked out the allegation that there was something wrong, along with the allegation of birth in Kenya, and found that they were both false. And THREE Republican officials have confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate, and there were notices of birth in the Hawaii newspapers. And they were NOT ads, since the newspapers did not take birth notice ads in those days. They were official notices sent by the Hawaii government for births in Hawaii, and not for births outside of Hawaii. And the government could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home because in those cases it insisted on witness statements.
Ellen show us the birth certificate! Simple! Just do it! But you can not!
Here it is: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&….
That is a detailed image of the front and back of Obama's official Hawaii birth certificate.
Ellen / James Bott! Just have Obama show the birth certificate!
A detailed image of a google search page is what I got.
Ellen then have Obama to show it then! You can't!
I hope whoever runs on the other ticket from Obama drills this birth certificate every step of the way because eventually he is going to have to fess up.
He's a liar and he's likely hiding a few things. Once – he was possibly born overseas – in Kenya, perhaps. He's also likely hiding the fact that Frank Marshal Davis is his biological father. Barack Obama, Sr. isn't his father. That's a made up story. And he doesn't want the truth out because then people are going to want to see his college records and that will REALLY sink him because he was greased through the system without even doing anything.
How many ways can you spell F – R – A – U – D ??
His mother may have been wanting to get the heat off of frank davis because she was underage and frank could be facing rape charges. So she thinks if she goes to kenya to have the bastard then the law would surely know it is a obama child and can't file rape on commie frank. I think he is really a obama bastard and he was born in kenya but one thing for sure is he is doing a good job of destroying America and he is real good at it. Some idiot koolaid drinker said, "Hospital records are not official birth certificates. Obama has already shown his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii. This is sufficient." She is right it is sufficent enough for a FRAUD to fake millions of people out and get in as POTUS and do his thing, his jihad against America, his sucking America dry of everything she has and destroy christians along with it. I would really like to see sob, usob, exposed to the world, as the imposter he really is, before Jesus returns for his bride.
In addition to showing he is lazy and skated through college (which no one remembers him) but he probably filled out entrance papers perhaps asking for assistance or just info they requested. He more than likely was asked where he city and state of birth was and put the real truth out. Now he can't show those college records because they reveal to be true what he is working so hard to conceal. Remember when you lie you have to keep telling lies to cover past lies. The whole point was said: If you have nothing to hide then you will not hide it. As we all know, if we are being deceitful then we will hide it. Human Nature for some. I also believe he has pulled the greatest scam ever and Congress just sits there with their fingers in their ears and tunes it all out. What a load of lowdown cowards.
Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude, which means the top 10% in his class. You don't get to be in the top 10% though affirmative action or bieng lazy, especially in Harvard.
Suranis? James? Ellen the bott?
Much is to be learned yet of Obama's time at Harvard & in fact how he was accepted with such mediocre scores & grades.
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You're lying again, Carl.
No. It's true….check out this obviously photo-shopped image from 1990. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/us/politics/28o…
Dumb on your part James!
wile it is obvious that it is a doctored photo!
Isn't it a little fishy that Obama is the only person holding a stick in that picture. And I mean really…..if that were a real picture, does James think all those white people would be looking so comfortable sitting so close to a black man with a stick in his hand?
I'll have to get this image to Polarik for some further analysis, but it looks like the image of Obama in that so-called "Harvard" picture may have been lifted from this image… http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_16/new-black-…
You can even see the overlay lines when expanded!
James not very nice of you since you have stated no facts!
Its actually quite funny that your sole source on Obama's academic achievements is Donald Trump, he presents no proof and you believe him without question. Yet when the rest of the world tells you something you demand absolute proof.
Rather telling actually.
Anyway I got it from the Press and from 'Dreams from my Father'.
Suranis/James McPherson alias! Enough is enough with the bott Ellen & Alias Suranis!
No one is buying this bs by you so being the fool which you are i am suggesting that you stop! This is uncalled for on your part. Not to mention all the work you have to put into this charade.
We Know this is total fraud because there is no real birth certificate and about the illegal use of Social Security numbers and the fake Selective Service registration. it just remains for Congress to impeach Obama and there better not be any pardon waiting because we the people are pissed off having our government official breaking the laws and going scott free. No more. Obama must face prosecution for his alleged crimes and face the federal penalties for violations!
With the O-"DUMMY" being called everything in the book I just found the "REAL" suitable name for him, and tHAT IS WAIT FOR IT—"LIAR-IN-CHIEF". THAT SORT OF SUMS EVERYTHING UP ABOUT HIM.
I shall now be blathering in support that he was born in Hawaii. But never in support of him as a person.
Feels better, doesn't it?
No James Alias Suranis just stupid!
Lol! Sure! Wake up!
Ellen at the time of Obama's birth this was not so!
It is so today. And today Hawai'i no longer gives out certified copies of long forms. That's why not a single person has come out with one that was issued in the last 10 years.
You cant get a Hawai'in or Arizona long form any more. The most you could get would be a non certified photocopy though an FOIA request, which would take months and be a huge battle involving you proving why you want one and the need for one. Proving you are eligible for the presidency is not a use for one as that is established with the COLB.
But, according to CNN, Hawaii does honor FOIA Requests for Long Forms, so the "Poor Widdle Obama can't get one without breaking the law" excuse is out the window.
As for me, I would be happy with a document that has some verifiable information on it, certified or not.
But, I am NOT holding my breath.
Suranis no big deal! Obama in his book stated that he had his birth certificate! So show it!
Suranis just have him to show us the BC he has as he stated in his book that he had.
Ellen simply put your comment is baseless due to a lack of facts!
To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth.
Be it Enacted by the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii:
To PROVIDE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF HAWAIIAN BIRTH.
SECTION 1. The Secretary of Hawaii may, whenever satisfied that any person was born within the Hawaiian Islands, cause to be issued to such person a certificate showing such fact. The Secretary, with the approval of the Governor, may make such regulations respecting the form of application and certificates, the method of proof, kind of evidence, and time, place and manner of hearing, and all other matters and circumstances connected with such application, proof and hearing as to him may appear necessary, and such regulations, when so approved and published once a week for three successive weeks in a newspaper of general circulation published in the Territory, shall have the force of law, and such publication shall be deemed legal notice to all persons. The Secretary may furnish the form of such applications and certificates. All applications shall be by sworn petition, in which the party shall set forth circumstantially all the facts upon which his application rests, and shall be accompanied by sworn affidavits of witnesses. The Secretary and such persons as he may designate and appoint may examine, under oath, any applicant or person cognizant of the facts regarding any application and for that purpose he and they are hereby authorized and empowered to administer oaths, subpoena and compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of books and papers, punish for contempts and, generally, to exercise the same authority with regard to their special jurisdiction as is by law conferred on District Magistrates.
SECTION 2. Any applicant or any person, who shall give or offer any false testimony, oral or written, under oath, in support or respect of any application for a certificate under the provisions of the foregoing Section, shall be deemed guilty of perjury and shall be punishable accordingly.
That was the law of Hawai'i at the time, from 1911 to 1972 to be precise. It required sworn affidavits with witnesses.
Suranis just have Obama to show us his long form BC which he stated in his book that he had.
ANOTHER IGNORAMUS! SIGNED WITNESS? WHERE ARE THE SIGNED WITNESSES IN THE "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH" THAT OBAMA INSIST ON PROVINDING? THE TRUE BIRTH CERTIFICATE INCLUDES THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL, THE DOCTORS' NAME AND HIS SIGNATURE AND THE WITNESSES SIGNATURES. THESE WERE ALL MSSING IN THE CIERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH HE HAS BEEN SHOWING. I HAVE PLENTY OF RELATIVES IN HAWAII. I AM. ALSO, AN ASIAN-AMERICAN SO I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
Ok lets put this in capitals as that makes things a lot truer apparently
DONALD TRUMP'S CERTIFICATION OF BIRTH HAS LESS INFO THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA'S AND DONALD USED HIS FOR 12 YEARS WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
Arizona no longer gives out long forms either, btw.
Suranis just have Obama to show his BC that is what is in question!
James the facts are that no one for certain knows who in fact this Obama guy really is! I like many people believe that Obama is in fact the bastard child of Frank Marshall Davis.
Many people also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Most outgrow it.
So sad James that you have not outgrown either.
that's just someone being smart a** with ellen.
The Skunk Patrol Half Black Half White Without Birth Certificate And School Records Will Be Out Of Office And Back As A Community Organizer For ACORN In 634 Days, Yippee, God Bless America And Tell It Like It Is Don Trump POTUS Nov 2012.
What part of "The Certification of Live Birth is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii" don't you get? What part of "thousands of people use the Certification of Live Birth to get their US passports every year" don't you get?
Ellen have Obama show his birth certificate!
Credit to ellen or Trump? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/27/6…
Time for some real issues now.
Libya- Barry lied! People died!
Here it is: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&…
That is a detailed image of the front and back of Obama's official Hawaii birth certificate.
Oh, I thought somebody else was Blathering one?
James i have no idea but i guess you could say that Carol as well as yourself are both entitled to your opinions of each other & your family members?
"i have no idea"
It is so amazing to me that liberals and socialists insist that he has shown his birth certificate so shut up. Yet, so many professionals; PhD's, investigative journalists, members of government, etc. all say he could easily solve the question of his birth by showing his birth certificate! With the former, they're trying to state something as fact that has never even occurred! Simply amazing! I sure wish I could go to the bank and tell them, "There's a million dollars in my account! I showed you the deposit slip yesterday, so shut up and give me my money!" Wow, the audacity of these people! The simple truth of the matter is that he HAS NEVER SHOWN HIS TRUE, LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!" America has, through Barack Hussein Obama, experienced possibly the greatest political fraud in its history. Ten million angry Americans need to march to the White House and encamp around it, demanding this man show his records, all of them. The American people deserve to know who their president is. It is their inalienable right and their duty to vet their president and to know who he is and what he stands for. This has been taken away from them and has turned this country into one of lawlessness and subversion. Obama needs to stand before the Senate, with Chief Justice Roberts, and be impeached. He needs to hang his head in shame before God and man. This country has been held hostage by the uber-elite and corporate fascists and had all their hoaxes and filth shoved down its throat for the last fifty or so years, enough is enough! The people need to demand accountability from their "leaders" now.
Why would Obama spend 2 million dollars to keep from disclosing a 10 dollar document, unless he would have trouble obtaining it, or just does not have one. A Louisiana state representative has made it pretty clear about why a state requirement for candidates for federal office to produce a birth ceritifcate should be passed. He said, "There's nothing wrong about enforcing the Constitution." Many reputable individuals, such as Franklin Graham, and many others in local, state, and federal government, have called for Obama to disclose his long Why would he spend 2 million dollars to keep from disclosing a 10 dollar document, unless he would have trouble obtaining it. Many reputable individuals, such as Franklin Graham, and many others in local, state, and federal government, have called for Obama to disclose his long-form birth certificate to the nation. Only then will the controversy subside. -form birth certificate to the nation. Only then will the controversy subside.
He didn't spend $2 million (It costs about $300 to file papers to have a case thrown out), and he has one, and he has just released it:
And it says exactly the same things as the COLB, which is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people every year. And it does not have anything on it that is embarrassing, and it says the name of the hospital that Obama has always said (and his sister too. UPI got it wrong in one article, but she also always said Kapiolani), and that was also the name of the hospital given by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle.
Libya – Barry Bush lied, people died!
Barry lied! People died!
Barry lied! People died!
"Let's go on to some real issues now"
Since Ellen's comments have all been in response to nutty birther comments, I assume you have the same advice for those she responds to?
As long as the ink doesn't smear
Obama has just released his long-form birth certificate, but it was not necessary. The official birth certificate of Hawaii is used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports.
The original birth certificate says exactly the same things as the COLB, which is the official birth certificate. And it does not have anything on it that is embarrassing, and it says the name of the hospital that Obama has always said (and his sister too. UPI got it wrong in one article, but she also always said Kapiolani), and that was also the name of the hospital given by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle.
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