The vast majority of the public and the press have proclaimed the 2012 Presidential election over and Barack Obama the President-elect. However, as Lee Corso, the college football analyst on ESPN’s Game Day broadcasts is so fond of saying:
“Not so fast my friend!!”
We have only taken the first step in the actual election process constitutionally mandated to select our next President. The two steps that follow, I believe, will determine the future course of this nation and, perhaps, the very survival of the Constitutional principles on which it was founded.
On November 6th,we voted to establish the actual slates of Electors that are to be entrusted with the responsibility of electing the next President. The next step is for those Electors to gather in the various state capitals on December 17th to cast their ballots. Those ballots are then tallied in the states and forwarded to the President of the Senate and to the National Archivist for confirmation of the final tally by both Houses of the Congress on January 7th.
There are three classes of Electors so charged. Of the total of 538, the breakdown is as follows:
- Those designated by popular vote on Democrat slates (332)
- Those designated by popular vote on “dedicated” Republican slates (72)
- Those designated by popular vote on “unfettered” Republican slates (134)
Each of these Electors assumes a sacred trust to cast his or her ballot only for a candidate constitutionally eligible to actually hold the office of President and Commander in Chief under Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution.
The key to correcting the current process will be the success of our call to action to the 134 Electors in the third group coming from the 13 states listed below. As of the year 2000, Electors from those states were deemed “unfettered” (meaning that, by law, they are allowed to cast their ballots for whomever they choose.) There is precedent for this in that nine times previously, Electors have cast their ballots independently of the popular vote. Theoretically and practically then, each of these 134 hold the potential to cast their ballots for Mr. Obama and are therefore entitled to be assured of the constitutional eligibility of his candidacy.
Why is this important? Because through that process, all 134 Republican Electors must be deemed to have “Standing” to demand certifiable evidence of Mr. Obama’s qualifications, as specified under Article 2 of the Constitution, to be deemed a “Natural Born Citizen.“
As we know, Mr. Obama fails to attain to that standard by virtue of his own admission that his birth father was a British Subject.
We the People need now to produce a flood of mail to alert each of these 134 Republican Electors that they have the “Standing” and the responsibility to demand that this question be resolved so that they can make an informed decision before they cast their ballots.
These Electors need to immediately notify their respective Governor and Secretary of State that they require this information prior to December 17th or that they will not be able to properly discharge their Constitutional responsibility.
The following are the “unfettered” states carried by Republican Electors who are not required by law or by pledge to cast ballots for the Republican candidate:
Arizona North Dakota
Arkansas South Dakota
Georgia Tennessee
Indiana Texas
Kansas Utah
Louisiana West Virginia
Missouri
To accomplish this goal of personally notifying all of them, it is suggested that each of us contact the Electors in our home state and at least one other state. The individual Electors’ mail addresses are available through their respective Secretaries of States’ offices.
Once the Electoral College process is impacted by these requirements, it is likely that the courts will be required to hear the full evidence (or, more realistically, the lack thereof) concerning Mr. Obama’s eligibility. The likely outcome of his failing to qualify will throw the election into the House of Representatives, where each state delegation is given one vote.
At the present time, majorities in those delegations are held by Republicans in 32 states and by Democrats in 17 states. Minnesota is a toss-up. Therefore, the likely result of such a vote in the House will be that a Republican will be declared President.
Finally, as a backstop against the possibility that Mr. Obama’s candidacy somehow survives an Electoral College challenge, there are two more critical steps for us to take at this time:
1. Concurrently with our mail campaign to the Electoral College, it is important that we also contact all Republican Representatives and Senators to inform them that we are counting on them to “object” if and/or when the President of the Senate calls for confirmation of an Electoral College “tally” designating Barack Obama as President-elect. If as few as one Representative and one Senator stand to request certification of the candidate’s eligibility, the whole process must stop until a full and final determination is made.
2. Also, the 332 Electors representing the states carried by Democrats need to be put on notice that they will be failing to uphold their Constitutional responsibility if they vote for an ineligible and therefore unqualified candidate. There has already been a case filed in New York State (Strunk) asserting that possibility.
The only way for us not to win this fight is for good people to lose courage. Let’s lock arms, pray, and go to work to revive the Constitutional standards for which so many of our forefathers have fought and died. The wisdom of the founding document that has prospered and strengthened this nation will once again sustain us if we will take action and hold fast to its terms. God bless America!!
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Everyone comes up with all these very valid ways to oust BO but the bottom line is that they only work in a valid Republic of America. This government is De Facto. We have no legitimate constitutional government. And we have a DOJ that is now refusing to obey constitutional law backing the new CON-unistic country of the ObamaNation. Sorry folks but this chapter in the great experiment is over.
Steve, I hope that you are wrong but I fear that you are right! Our Congress is as useless as a flat spare tire. They are only concerned about their own well-being, and are unwilling to uphold their oath of office.
Gabe and bobmann101, I concur. When I started emailing and writing letters a couple of years or so ago, that is when I realized our Congress was as useless as used TP. All lies and form letters filled with more lies. And bobmann101, you did a splendid job in your analogy of “zero”. (Yes, that is my newest name for him.) I think I could have added a few more adjectives, but your choice was wonderful. So, I’ll leave it as is!
I think if we were not able to stop this unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim POTUS from getting away with all the crimes he has committed I am sure it is too late. he has the money and power backing him to where he will remain in power for a long time. He is now our supreme ruler and dictator. Blood will flow in the streets of America in time!
aS i HAVE SAID FOR MANY YEARS, …”THIS IS GOING TO END IN ONLY ONE OR TWO POSSIBILITIES.”
wHAT THE “ELITE’ HAVE NEVER TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD THAT WILL ULTIMATELY COME UPON THIS WORLD THAT THEY ‘THINK’ THEY ARE GOING TO RULE.
qUITE AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT. lUCIFER TRIED IT IN THE HEAVENS DIDN’T HE.
If we do not get rid of the Manchurian before he is Confirmed this country will find itself in a bigger revolution than we have been seeing in the muslim countries in the mid east. I hope that something works or that some judge has the courage to go against the Chicago crime syndicate run by Obama. We cannot rely on congress as they have had their heads in the sand for the last 4 years. After cleaning out Obamas goons we then have to clean out Congress.
where do i go to help get this started?
Good luck. If you think the great capitulator, John Boehner, who might as well be a Democrat, or the big wimp, Mitch McConnell, will entertain prospects like this then have I got a bridge for you in Brooklyn to buy.
Since President Obama’s mother meets the “five year” rule, he does indeed qualify for birthright citizenship in the United States. Nice try, but no cigar.
Put the crack pipe down, it has already been established that his “mother” does not meet the “five year” rule. Five years from the age of 14 is 19, she supposedly gave birth to the afterbirth just prior to 18! Do your homework and stop embarrassing yourself!
dapauls….At least post a link to back up what you say.
I’ll have a bigger cigar, depauls. A birthright citizenship isn’t a natural born citizenship. Where does our laws say a man with an American teenage mother of 18.5 and Kenyan father is Constitutionally eligible to become president?
At best, Barry could only be a dual citizen, not natural born.
Question: Why did he question John McCain’s natural born citizenship status? Why did the Senate hearing find McCain was a natural born citizen because BOTH of his parents were American citizens? Why did Barry refuse to answer questions on his citizenship status?
So, how did a Kenyan father’s son become a natural born American citizen with a British subject father?
Our forefathers were inspired by God so they could oversee this bunch in 2008/2012, who have gone off course several hundred years later. God gave our forefathers genius. Pray the electoral college does what is right for this country.
Heres what really needs to be done……..Open up obamas college applications to find that he defrauded the US Govt by listing a foreign place of birth to take advantage of free tuition or follow the Benghazi fiasco to find out that he wanted the Brother Muslimhood guys to kidnap Stevens to make a deal for getting the blind shiek released. Things went wrong when the Seals opened fire and the kidnappers thought they were double-crossed by obama. Why else would they continue a false narrative if they had nothing to hide? And, why havn’t Hillary or obama given any account as to what their roles were during this episode? Notice that Hillary took off to Asia right after so she would not have reporters hounding her at home. Also, there seems to be no urgency to find the culprits. They just might spill the beans! It’s either fraud or treason…either way he should be incarcerated!
The nutty notion that Obama listed a foreign place of birth on his college application comes from an April Fool’s article originally posted on April 1, 2009.
And I guess you’ve viewed his college application to verify this and which application did you view? The only April Fool is you because nobody has been allowed access to the muslim’s college records but progressives like you think real Americans are stupid. Stop looking in the mirror, even though it hurts to do so!
NO I did not view his college application, but then I did not view Mitt Romney’s college application or George W. Bush’s college application or Clintons’ or Reagan’s either.
The fact is that the story comes from an April Fool’s article. It is as likely to be true as other April Fool’s articles.
YOU have the right to continue to believe any myth that you desire, but you cannot convince anyone with your dreams or about ranting about your opponents. Americans are surely not stupid. That is why they re-elected Obama by a margin of more than four and a half million votes more than Romney and by 332 electoral votes to 206 for Romney on November 6, and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, who are not fools, have accepted the results of the election, as has Gingrich and Santorum and Bachmann and Palin and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and the National Review.
This unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim POTUS was not elected he was put into office!!!
Ellen,
The other men you mention were, and are, well known in the US and have readily identified themselves when questioned. Including John McCain. But then, we knew who he was when he showed his birth certificate when he went in our military service, didn’t we?Your man Barri Soetoro aka Barack Obama came in out of the blue and refused to identify himself? Haven’t you ever wondered why?
His birth certificate? When did African become a race? I always thought Africa was a Continent and an African was a citizen of Africa.
Sorry, I didn’t think so. My God, girl, don’t you even want to know who in the hell the man is sitting in the Oval Office? Aren’t you concerned, or interested, as to why he continues to refuse to identify himself?
ellen,
Why did Michelle Obama state they took medical shots to go through Africa to visit his HOMELAND of Kenya? Where is your homeland? Why is it called your homeland?
My homeland is the USA. Barry’s apparently isn’t.
A homeland is the place where your ancestors came from.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …
Is that all? NO there is more.
Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama’s mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?
That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother’s US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.
That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn’t.
So, for the “born in Kenya” story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, now running for the US Senate. And the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were placed by the DOH in the Hawaii newspapers (and only the DOH could put notices into the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers) in 1961 would have to be fraudulent too.
And, heck, Kenya is about ten thousand miles from Hawaii, and the idea that Obama’s parents had that kind of money or would spend it on a trip while Obama’s mother was late in pregnancy (which was very rare in those days) and take the risk of stillbirth and Yellow Fever (which was endemic in Kenya, and a Yellow Fever shot is bad during pregnancy) is nutty in the extreme.
The bottom line: There is no proof that Obama’s mother went to Kenya and it is highly unlikely that she did. The Kenyan government and Obama’s relatives both say that he was not born there. If he were born in Kenya there would have to be US government documents saying that his family applied for a passport or a visa, and there isn’t any. There is no INS check in for Obama or his mother (which would normally have taken place in New York, since there were no direct flights, and those files are not missing), and the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers all show that he was born in Hawaii.
There’s only one answer, the 2nd Amendment.
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The constitution does not define “Natural Born Citizen,” however, it is generally construed to mean “a citizen of the US by virtue of birth.” Andrew Jackson was considered a “Natural Born Citizen” because he was born on US soil, but BOTH his parents were from Ireland. Woodrow Wilson and Thomas Jefferson each had a parent that was a British Subject (mothers, in both cases.) They’re not the only ones. Thus, a court is highly unlikely to rule that Obama, born on US soil to a mother who was a US citizen, and a citizen by birthright, is not a “Natural Born Citizen” simply because his father was a British Subject.
Well said, and in fact SEVEN state courts and one federal court have in fact ruled on Obama (and one did on McCain, Hollister v. McCain) a total of nine courts, that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined in the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court decision, and that it comes from the common law, and that the meaning of it in the common law referred to the place of birth, and that hence EVERY CHILD born in the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is a Natural Born US Citizen. Birthers appealed one of the seven state court rulings on Obama, the Farrar case from Georgia, to the US Supreme Court, which on October 1 turned down the appeal, leaving the ruling in Georgia that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen standing.
But it is a fact this unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim POTUS was not born on US soil! He, his wife, and his relatives openly admitted he was born in Kenya.
Obama was born in the USA—in Hawaii. That is proven by his short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data file and the birth notices that were sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the papers, and it only sent notices out for children born IN Hawaii). Also by the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing that a woman named Stanley had given birth to a child in Hawaii.
Neither Obama’s Kenyan grandmother, nor his wife, nor any relative said that Obama was born in Kenya. Not one of them. In particular, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii. Birther sites simply cut off the interview before she was asked: “Whereabouts was he born?” She answered “IN Hawaii” to that, and did so repeatedly. And there was another interview with the grandmother, done by the Hartford Courant newspaper (an interview that is never quoted by birther sites) , and in it she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII. Obama’s wife also did not say that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that it was his “Native country”—meaning the place where his ancestors came from, which they did.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she actually said that he was born in Hawaii.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
I can tell you worship our new supreme ruler (not leader) and Dictator. There were millions of women who loved Hitler and swooned over him. You can hear them admit their love for him on the History channell. I can see the only difference setweem Hitler and Obama id the color of their skin.
You state ‘overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii’ There is no evidence of him being born in Hawaii that would stand up in court.1 certificate of live birth which is a joke. Anyone can get one from Hawaii. The long form BC posted on the WH site is a bigger joke. Experts have proven it is a forgery and a hoax. He has never shown anything to prove who he is. You can tell he looks more like his real father Frank Marshsll Davis than Barack Obama sr. So far all that has been said is heresay. He has sealed all records therefore we know nothing about him. Even if he was born in Hawaii he still is not qualified to be POTUS. He spent most of his time in the Senate campaigning. Was not in the Military. Never had a real job. Never owned a business.
Ever wondered why no one ever came forward from Obama’s past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. Not one person has ever come forward from his past.
VERY, VERY STRANGE…
This should really be a cause for great concern.
To those who voted for him, you have elected the biggest unqualified fraud that America has ever known.
Sort of adds credence to the idea of The Manchurian Candidate thing happening here!
George Stephanopoulos, of ABC News. said the same thing during the 2008 campaign.
He too was a classmate of Obama’s at Columbia class of 1984. He said he never had a single class with him.
While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s college class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records?
NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA !
Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.
Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at
Columbia who also graduated in 1983.
In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia . EVER! Nobody recalls him.
Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ’83 political
science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that.” Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.
At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York , the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him.”
Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friend while at Columbia .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root#column-one
NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major in the same class that Barack Hussein Obama was supposed to have been in.
Some Other Interesting Questions..
Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by Court Order?
It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases. The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived.
No wonder all his records are sealed!
In closing I believe he has the money and power backing him that he will remain in office for a long time. There will be a lot of people who are in for a rude awakening!!!
Hi Ellen, FYI
Indonesia did not have dual citizenship at the time. Therefore obama could not be a us citizen and go to school there. We all know that he attended school there.
http://www.internationaladoptionstories.com/indonesia-adoption.htm
http://justplainbill.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/current-indonesian-adoption-law/
Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo a Muslim Indonesian citizen.
Under Indonesian Law you can not adopt a child over the age of five, even abroad, if you are an Indonesian Citizen. In “Dreams from my Father”, Obama says he lived with his step-father in Indonesia for five years and that by the time he and his mother arrived in Indonesia she and Lolo had been married for over a year before Lolo returned to Indonesia. Five years + one year = 6 years and when Barack Hussein Obama II returned to Hawaii prior to September of 1971 because he was enrolled in his Prep School in Hawaii to start the Fifth Grade he was 10 years old so he was probably shy of 4 years old when Dunham married Soetoro and arrived in Indonesia about the time of his fifth Birthday (1966).
Indonesian Law says: “Foreign persons under age of five who are adopted by Indonesian Citizens obtain Indonesian Citizenship following legalization of adoption process by District Court of general jurisdiction with jurisdiction over the adoptive parents [Id at Art. 2 (1)]“ “It is stipulated that an adopted child has the same status as a natural child, and that his or her relationship to the birth parents is severed by adoption”.
The only Legal Relationship he would have to his mother is that she was married to his Legal Father Lolo Soetoro, under Indonesian Law. He would be an Indonesian Citizen with an Indonesian Passport and an entry in Lolo’s KK documents.
Indonesian Law prior to August 1966 would be Indonesian Law 62/1958 and other prior Indonesian Laws. Indonesian Law does not accept Dual Nationality/Citizenship, so Barack Hussein Obama II would no longer be a US Citizen according to Indonesian Law, in fact he would be considered never to have been one at all.
Lolo Soetoro would be his guardian, next of Kin and father. His Religion would be Legally Listed and Registered as Islam because children have the Religion of their Father under Indonesian Law and can have no other. His Surname would become Soetoro, in full Soetoro Mangunharjo with Barry as his given name at the choosing by his father Lolo.
Barry Soetoro was enrolled on January 1st 1968, given Serial No 203 and placed in Class 1 B. His Religion is given as Islam, his Nationality Indonesian, his Father’s Name as L Soetoro Ma., his Father’s Occupation as Official, Director General’s Office TNI [Topography Division Indonesian Army] and his Name as Barry Soetoro.
Somehow Stanley Ann Dunham got the necessary letter of permission from her husband so Barry Soetoro could go to Hawaii. An Indonesian Citizen called Barry Soetoro left Jakarta on an Indonesian Passport with both a US Visa and also an Indonesian Exit Visa. But an American Citizen called Barack Obama landed in Hawaii.
The US law states for a “NATURAL BORN” US Citizen for the time Barack Hussein Obama II was born between December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986: If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. immigration.findlaw.com/…/…id-you-kn…
Obama’s mother was only 18 years old at his birth, NOT the 16 + 5 = 21 required because his father was not a US citizen. Therefore Barack Hussein Obama II is NOT a “NATURAL BORN” US Citizen as required to become the President of the USA!!!
There must be a paper trail in Hawaii, US State Dept., and other Federal and Foreign Government Records to prove, or disprove the above facts and if there is not then somebody has removed the trail. If that is the case there has been a criminal conspiracy and all these moles involved need to go to prison!!! At the State Dept. Obama’s records have been breached 3 times by employees of a company that the CEO is an adviser to Sen. Obama!!!
We had an Indonesian Barry Soetoro with an Indonesian passport leaving Indonesia but upon the arrival in Hawaii we had the same person Barack Hussein Obama II now magically a US citizen.
http://justplainbill.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/current-indonesian-adoption-law/
More info for you.
Well, I do mean to be politically incorrect, but while I’m doing it, I want to be factually correct, so let me fix something in people’s mind.
The legal name of our Fraudulence-in-Chief isn’t “Sorento” and never has been.
I mean, does this friggin’ sphincter look Italian?
As a baby, the little bastid was legally adopted by an Indonesian government thug named Soetoro (nickname “Lolo”) who married the woman who’d whelped the kid, Stanley Ann Dunham. In so doing, Soetoro conferred upon our little red diaper baby the legal name Soebarkah (nickname “Barry”) and made him formally both a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia and a Muslim.
None of this can be disputed. There are records that our POTUS-With-An-Asterisk hasn’t been able to seal by Executive Order, including Stanley Ann’s Indonesian government passport information. Like lots of babies, little Soebarkah traveled on his mom’s passport until he got his own Indonesian travel documents.
That passport, by the way, is how our Kenyan Keynesian traveled to Pakistan in 1981. A private American citizen wasn’t allowed to enter Pakistan on a U.S. passport at that time. Indonesia (then as now) is the most populous Muslim country in the world.
When Stanley Ann mailed Barry back to live with her parents in Hawaii at the age of 10, the kid was “a good Muslim schoolboy” named Soebarkah who had lost his American citizenship by virtue of immigration to Indonesia and adoption by Soetoro.
No action was taken subsequently either to naturalize the kid as a U.S. citizen or to change his legal name back to “Barack Hussein Obama II,” so….
Yeah, he’s not only not a natural born citizen by virtue of his legal parentage (no matter where it’s argued that he’d been born) but he’s not a U.S. citizen at all.
And his legal name is still Soebarkah, nickname “Barry.”
What did our founders mean, and why did they determine certain qualifications (natural born citizen) on the President and Vice-President of our nation should be natural born citizens? You might want to read the Minor v. Happersett (1898) case, ellen.
Being born in the US only makes someone a native born citizen, not a natural born citizen. Momma and Daddy must both be US citizens.
The definition of the term Natural Born Citizen was done by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which BTW was AFTER Minor v. Happersett), and it ruled that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and that it refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346
11/6/12 1:32 PM
Justice Thomas: We are evading the eligibility issue
http://youtu.be/O7qEH-tKoXA
In spite of what ANYTHING anyone might say to the contrary, currently there is no uniformly acknowledged “legal”, (enforceable), definition of the requisite circumstances that constitutes actually being a U.S. natural born Citizen.
That is notwithstanding the FACT that the Statutes at Large emanating from the 1790 and 1795 “Acts to establish an uniform Rule of naturalization” clearly define those circumstances in words that say so and words that require it.
But until there is sufficient Public and Political Will the question will continue to be “evaded”.
The US Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats, and in October the US Supreme Court turned down a birther appeal of a ruling by the Supreme Court of Georgia that said that the meaning of Natural Born was defined by the Wong Kim Ark case, and that it is the key case in determining the eligibility of Obama and that due to the Wong Kim Ark case Obama, like all the children born in the USA, is a Natural Born US citizen. The effect of the US Supreme Court turning down the appeal is to leave the ruling of the lower court standing.
Oh, and BTW, you are misquoting the Justice Thomas reply. He was being asked by a congressman who had been born in Puerto Rico whether the court would rule on the eligibility of a child born in Puerto Rico, and Thomas joked when he said that they had been evading that issue. It was a joke because the court would not rule unless and until a person born in Puerto Rico was elected.
I will belive Obama was born in the US ONLY when I see his AUTHENTIC birth certificate not some phony, unprofessionally forged, doctored piece of paper. If people can look at that piece of paper and see the discrepencies pointed out and think the experts are wrong and the documents is genuine has to be in love with this unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim POTUS called Obama. And to him he is a vote. After the Electoral College elects him we will be subjects!
What you believe is worth absolutely nothing. NOTHING at all. You are a birther. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers crazy.
So, I am not trying to convince you. I don’t care what YOU think. I am posting here for any rational person who may be visiting this site.
Only birther “experts”—who have not showed that they are even experts, and who certainly have not showed that they are fair and impartial–have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate.
he birther “experts” include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such “experts” as these that the birthers rely on for their case.
There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama’s policies, but shows that the birther “experts” are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WorldND to examine the image of Obama’s birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WorldND simply did not publish it.
Other document experts:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced
examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
And: http://www.obamabirthbook.com/…
And there is plenty of evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. For example, the repeated confirmations by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii: Here, for example, are citations from the officials in Hawaii of both parties that Hawaii has Obama’s birth certificate on file and that it shows that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii:
Here is the latest of the confirmations:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/wp-content/uploads/verification.jpg
And it says that Hawaii has Obama’s birth certificate on file, and that it has checked the information on the birth certificate published by the White House against the one in the files and found that they match. That means that the facts are exactly the same.
Here is the confirmation sent to the Secretary of State of Arizona (and accepted as valid confirmation by him):
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf
As you can see, that not only answers all 12 questions that were asked by Bennett, but it says “additionally” that it checked the information in the copy attached and that it matches the document in the files.
Turning back to the early confirmations that Hawaii has Obama’s birth certificate and that the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are accurate:
Here is the first of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate. (This link is probably out of date, sorry. But the document does exist. In any case, the other citations are more than enough.)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
In addition to these confirmations, there is the Index Data:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
And, of course, there are the birth notices that appeared in the Hawaii newspaper in August 1961. At the time only notices sent by the DOH of Hawaii appeared in that section of the newspaper (headed “Health Bureau Statistics”, and the DOH only sent out those notices for births in Hawaii.)
If Obama presented or his authentic and it was proven it was not doctored or altered and it proved he was born in Hawaii I would apologize and admit I was wrong. If he produced a document that was not doctored or altered and it proved he was born in Kenya I am sure you would still not believe it even if he told you he was born in Kenya. It is obvious you do not care if he was born on the moon so let’s forget about the birth issue. How do you defend he has no qualifications to be POTUS? How do you defend all the lies he has told? How do you defend all the crimes he has committed? How do you defend his ignoring OUR Constitution and cicumventing it? How do you defend his supplying our enemies with guns? How do you defend his being responsible for the lives of 4 Americans!?!?!? He gives you the finger and you kiss it. At this point in time Obama considers us nothing more than votes. After the Electoral College elects him he will consider us his subjects, because he has the money and power backing him to remain in office for a long time. Therefore all our back and forth means nothing. He is here to stay. The only difference between Hitler and Obama is the color of their skin! Wait and see!
I forgot to post these links in my last post. BTW, yes I am a birther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=87pXa2pK6sg#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6fiSfBh9-4&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0H8A-fQXFA&feature=player_embedded#!
We should know how much ammunition to buy Dec. 17. After all of this question for their not certifying his eligibility in 2008, and the Senate affirming them, we “stupid” people have been raising hell and asking questions.
Will they require affirmation on him this time? Wait and see and be prepared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
Keep trying Ellen, but you will never prove he is qualified to be POTUS. In fact he is not eligibile or qualified to be in the FBI or CIA. If he went job hunting he would be able to list anything, because he has never done anything. He has lived his life as a parasite. Living off of his host. Take time to get outside and smell the roses instread of spending most of your day TRYING to prove me wrong. You are wasting yourtime.
He is nothing but a marionette waiting for his strings to be pulled.
Obama will be sworn in for his second term as President of the United States by the Chief Justice of the United States on January 21.
That means the Chief Justice Is guilty of a crime along with the others. I wonder what your reaction will be when you find out this unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim will be our supreme ruler, (not leader) and dictator. You just think you know the facts, but it is all heresay. I go by facts. You go by what you want to belive no matter the facts. If you were to see him in person I bet your would be like a girl at an Elvis Presley concert. Ok go back to your useless research. While you are at it post the links for the readers listing the qualifications he has to be POTUS. I do not mean what a newspaper or a person states. Links to actual proof. A person can find documents proving the qualifications for every man who has been the POTUS except for Obama!!! Because HE says it is none of our business!!!! yeah right!!!
Your nutty nightmares will not come about, and the 65 million American voters who chose Obama over Romney will have a happy four years, and then Hillary is likely to run, and likely to win.
After The Electoral College elects him we shall see if my nightmares are nutty. Is voter fraud counted in your 65 million? He was not elected he was put in office. As I keep saying BHO has the money and power backing him so he will remain until his string pulling puppet masters are finished with him.
For a detailed discussion of the claims that Obama was not born in the USA and that his birth certificate was forged, please read:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/12/so-you-think-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/