Carl Gallups interviews Dr. Grace Vuoto about the death of Loretta Fuddy, who played a huge part in the controversy over Obama’s birth certificate.
Fuddy was by no means the only official to have confirmed Obama’s birth certificate. The Hawaii head of the DOH and the Hawaii registrar of births back during the last Republican governor’s administration, Fukino and Onaka, both did too—and both are still alive. And the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle ( a friend of Sarah Palin’s) did too, and she is still alive. And, in addition to the confirmations of these three people (four including Fuddy), there is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. And, guess what, there isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya. (She actually said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, but birther sites did not guote her and simply cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked “where was he born?” Oh, and BTW, SHE is still alive too.) Yet despite all these facts, birther sites have managed to convince a few gullible people to assume that Obama’s mother was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961, and that the officials of both parties are lying, and so is the Index Data and the birth notices. GULLIBLE.
Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:
Regarding Stanley Dunham’s passport:
Responding to a Freedom of Information Act request, the State Department has released passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama’s mother – but records for the years surrounding Obama’s 1961 birth are missing.
The State Department claims a 1980s General Services Administration directive resulted in the destruction of many passport applications and other “nonvital” passport records, including Dunham’s 1965 passport application and any other passports she may have applied for or held prior to 1965.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2010/08/186677/#EiOdFVaXi6WXetmF.99
Ellen, How much are they paying you to troll this site 24/7?
Re: “Responding to a Freedom of Information Act request, the State Department has released passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama’s mother – but records for the years surrounding Obama’s 1961 birth are missing.”
Baloney. Some applications within the file are missing because that kind of document was eliminated from thousands of files to save space in the 1980s. But there is still NO evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961. And, guess what, birther sites fooled you again. You did not think to ask them “What was the date on which the file was CREATED.” Not too swift. Well, the date on which the file was created is still on the file, but birther sites did not show it to you. I wonder why not? (Because if it were created after 1961—-as it almost certainly was—Obama’s mother could NOT have had a passport in 1961.)
Laying that aside, the chance that she had a passport in 1961 was exactly the same as other 18-year-olds having a passport in 1961, and very very few of them did. And the chance that she traveled abroad late in pregnancy (and it would have had to have been late in pregnancy because she was attending college for most of the year) was exactly the same as other American women traveling abroad late in pregnancy in 1961—in other words GIGANTICALLY LOW. And yet, you have been conned into assuming that she was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport AND that she was one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy, and that the officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties, and the birth certificate and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home—-are all lying.
Re: “How much are they paying you.” I’m not paid. Are you? if you are, good for you, but I’m not. If you were paid, would it change the facts? If you AND I were paid, would it change the facts?
No it wouldn’t. The facts are that there is no evidence whatever that Obama was born in a foreign country. Birther sites simply made up the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said he was born there, and they did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that he was NOT born there, and they did not show their readers the US INS report for 1961 that shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and all but one of those by SHIP. I wonder why they did not show you those FACTS?
Re: WND citation:
Why all the sealed records then?
Re: “Why all the sealed records then?”
Answer: They aren’t sealed. None of Obama’s records are sealed. That is simply another birther LIE. Obama’s personal records, college grades, passport records, etc, etc, are all covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws. And, guess what, Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their passport records, college grades, etc., etc, either. Their records are not “sealed” and neither are Obama’s.
This presentation is a logical layout presentation of verifiable facts that you can see and verify the Evidence for Yourself.
First he is an Illegal alien, second he is a Communist, third, he is a Muslim, fourth, he hates Liberty and Freedom and The Rule of Law.
BARACK OBAMA’S most attacked targets are THE PEOPLE OF THE USA.
Obama HARMS AMERICANS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
HIS UNLAWFUL usurpation can be verified easily, if one cares to know what the TRUTH is:
BARACK OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.
If you seek TRUTH investigate the following references.
ALL OF BARACK OBAMA’S IDENTITY DOCUMENTS ARE FORGED OR STOLEN.
If he were really a USA citizen, he would have real Documents, the only reason not to have them is he Is NOT a USA citizen.
1) BARACK OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A FORGERY:
Documents plus lucid thought that show The White House Slideshare Birth Certificate is not just a forgery, but a Laughably poor forgery at that. Obama must really have been rushed to present it, because it is awful and has a dozen “TELLS” of Forgery even a 5th grader can understand and believe.
A Simple Proof of Forgery. One does not need to be a rocket scientist or Adobe Acrobat Expert to see FRAUD in Barack Obama’s White house posted Birth Certificate. It is easy to see the Forgery “Tells”.
In case you do not trust anyone like I don’t: Visit the White House Slide Share Website anyone, see it for yourself:
Simple proofs/tells of forgery of Barack H Obama’s White House Birth Certificate.
1. Scratch Out in 18a & 19a. Official Gov Docs don’t have them.
2. Check in 18a is fraud. No other Data Box on this doc or era typewriter has this.
3. No reason for Delayed or Late registration. See why on the Aloha website in Note #7….!!!
What Obama’s BC Note #7 says, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Hawaii Per Grandmother” !
That is So Funny!
4. Data Entry Block 6c has overlapping characters: “ap”, “ty” and “Gy” overlap. That means they used Kerning to space the printed characters. No 1961 era typewriter could print using Kerning.
5. Smiley face in Alvin’s Signature. Forrest Gump did not invent Smiley until 1968.
6. The shadow “9″s in Data Block #9 and #12b mean the Data Block is Blank, nothing there. Duh, there is something there. Ms U Lee who signed this document is 96 years old and told Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo that the 9 code is for a data base and it means the block is empty.
7. See Real Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Kenyan Birth.
8. See Real Kenyan BC’s, both a Photocopy and a certified Copy at:
Any of these Tells Proves the Document is a Forgery. This many says that it is an Amateurish and Comedic forgery.
2) BARACK OBAMA’S SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION IS A FORGERY (DRAFT CARD):
For you folks that have not seen The Liar In Chiefs Forged Selective Service Registration, the Forgery tell is so Simple a First Grader can see the Proof of Forgery.
All SSR’s have a 4 digit date code. Obama’s SSR is the only SSR in the Whole Universe of the Galaxies of all Space/Time that has only a 2 digit date code. The forger could not easily get a 1979 date so he did get a 2008 date block, cut it in half and flipped the “08″ over, inserted the “80″ into the stamp and stamped the “80″, instead of the “1979″ as it should have been. All 18 year old males are required to register for the draft, at least that was so in 1979 when Obama supposedly turned 18. But anyway, the Point of the Fraudulent SSR is to make Americans “THINK” that Obama is an “American”.
HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
Oh PSS, It is a FELONY, to forge a government document and claim it as if it was valid. So Obama is a Felon for his SSR, and BC, and His Stolen SSN. There it is again, The Criminal In Chief of the USA, Barry Soebarkah.
3) BARACK OBAMA’S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER: 042-68-4425 IS STOLEN. Oh, Yes the first ILLEGAL ALIEN THAT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED OUT ON E-VERIFY IS BARACK H OBAMA II. His Stolen Social Security number fails E-verify. It has been checked so many times by NON-Believer & Kool-Aid Haters that the SSA has disabled it from being checked. It starts with “042″ which means it was issued in Connecticut. Hawaii prefixes are 575 and 576. Barack’s first job was at an Ice Cream Parlor in Hawaii and his parents never lived in Connecticut. The SSN is issued ONLY in your Home State.
Please check it out for yourself. The Stolen SSN is, 042-68-4425. It is all over the internet, that Social Security Number belongs to Harrison J Bounel who was born in Russia in 1890 and was listed in a Connecticut Census in 1940.
SSNs are not reissued. But I think that O’ILLEGALALIEN is trying to change that, by FIAT.
You can read the story of the “skip Tracer that stumbled upon the data that links both Obama and Bounel to the same SSN: 042-68-4425. A story of the data and the connection was put together by a Skip Tracer named Albert Hendershot and can be viewed on the World Net Daily website at
To See the video of Al Hendershot showing how he found that Obama and Bounel have the same SSN
4) BARACK OBAMA’S LITERARY BIOS, WRITTEN BY HIMSELF, for Acton & Dystel,
IT SAYS ‘BORN IN KENYA and raised in Indonesia”. Barack Obama’s Literary Bios was written by himself, don’t believe the LIE: “he did not write it”.
LIARS LIE, CHEATERS CHEAT, AND MURDERERS, MURDER. AND Barak Soebarkah (his last real name), AKA Barry Soetoro, AKA Harrison J Bounel, AKA Barack H Obama II, AKA Barak Mounir Ubayd;
Barack Obama HAS DONE ALL THREE.
0′B’s grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham volunteered to work in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Court House! She had access to all records, SS# and names of deceased persons who passed away on the Island! HOW did 0′Bama get his Social Security number? The same way his CREATORS got all the other Documents they would need to legitimize him! Lies, subterfuge, deceit, side-stepping the legal procedures, graft, threats and “palm-oil”!
I prefer to attack BHO on the basis that he is a bold lying arrogant apostle of toxic socialism…
which has rotted nations all over the globe for decades.
Keep in mind that the democrat socialist utopia never ever arrives…
(except for ten and a few supporting groups of course.)..
they always spare themselves the pain of their policies…
ask Fidel how that works.
Saul and Fidel are so very very proud of Barack.
Ellen:Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii . . . ”
For years now Team Obama has tried to bolster the claim that nothing is amiss by pointing to Hawaiian officials. Given Hawaii’s longstanding notoriety for political corruption, however, that approach holds about as much sway as does the testimony of a convicted felon brought from his cell to offer evidence concerning a cellmate. And just as Hawaii’s deserved infamous reputation is no secret, neither is the extraordinary length to which certain public officials there have gone to obfuscate investigation at every turn. Lack of straightforwardness, strong-arming, changing rules in mid-stream and making up others out of whole cloth as they go along — are just some of the unprofessional hallmarks of those you put forward as keepers of the truth. In short, your appeals-to-authority argument has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200-dollars
They are alive for now – their deaths have to be spaced properly and delicately.
Like all of us, they all will die eventually. That will not change the fact that they stated in writing that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent him. Nor will it change the Index Data file or the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Check the Murders/deaths of the 4 or 5 Gay men who obama was closely associated with like Donald Young who was the Choir Director at Rev. Wrights Church,. Donald and another young Gay man that obama was associated with were murdered execution style within 40 days of each other and just before obama announced that he was running for President in 2007. Larry Sinclair has a video describing his cocain/fallacial? encounter with obama and says that he received a phone call on a cell phone number that only obama knew and that within a week from then Donald Young was murdered. Donald’s mother has accused obama’s camp of carrying out the murder so that Donald wouldn’t disclose the “dark side” of obama. Pull up the list of those that obama knew who are now mysteriously DEAD like Brietbart !!! and the reporter out in California who was working on a story that he was concerned for his safety and was going underground. Unfortunately he ended up dying in a one car crash. Just look and I’m sure you’ll find others. Hillary’s Death List is even worse.
Re: “Check the Murders/deaths of the 4 or 5 Gay men who obama was closely associated with like Donald Young who was the Choir Director at Rev. Wrights Church,”
People at Rev. Wrights’ church die, like other people—didn’t you know that? In fact, 2.4 million people die in the USA EVERY YEAR. But the fact that people from Rev. Wright’s church died does not show that Obama had anything to do with it. Breitbart, BTW, was AN ANTI-BIRTHER. He hated birthers and laughed at them, and there is absolutely no indication that he had changed his mind, and he died of natural causes, a heart attack.
Ellen the troll tell us all one thing then. If this Birth Certificate exists then why post a fake one on the internet? Why does the fake one reference false things that didn’t even exist at the time of the supposed birth? Why the need to use a social security number that belongs to someone else? Why was it proven that he has many activities under numerous social security numbers? Why did he go to school and receive aid as a foreign student? Obama is a fake, a fraud, an outright criminal!!! I could care less about the color of a man’s skin, but lack of character and lie after lie tells a lot about a man!!! In this case it says he lacks any morals necessary to care about and lead a nation. The result is in the pudding as we have seen over the last 5 years what he’s done to a once great nation!
According to the Official Federal Election Commission report, Obama has spent over five million dollars keeping his records sealed, gee I didn’t know the Federal Election Commission were “birthers”
Re: “According to the Official Federal Election Commission report, Obama has spent over five million dollars keeping his records sealed…”
Another birther LIE. Obama spend about $5 million ON THE TOTAL COST OF LEGAL SERVICES DURING HIS 2012 election campaign, and lawyers do a LOT more than “seal records” (which in this case they did not do at all). For example, they have to check the contracts on hundreds of local and district election headquarters. And, guess what, Mitt Romney spent about as much on legal services as Obama did.
And, Obama’s records are not “sealed.” The private ones are covered under the ordinary state and local privacy laws, the same law that cover Mitt Romney and John McCain, neither of whom showed their college records, passport records, etc, etc, either.
And Obama “is one the EXTREMELY few” blacks to become president of the United States; and yet, somehow it happened.
And since you are an Obama supporter, you certainly are familiar with Chicago gangsters; so, you know you don’t have to kill everyone to intimidate witnesses.
And as a point of information: yes, women (in 1961 and at all other times) do not travel far in late stages of their pregnancies, UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. THEN THEY DO!
Maybe she did not travel late in her pregnancy. Maybe she was there far in advance of the “late” stage of pregnant. Nonetheless–this guy is anti-American and is destroying this country by design. He is committing acts that are unconstitutional and treasonous. I hope we can retake the Senate in 2014 and Impeach his sorry backend.
Re: ” UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. THEN THEY DO!”
There were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii, so she didn’t “have” to, and by the way, Kapiolani Hospital has now confirmed that Obama was born there. In fact, it has confirmed TWICE.
Re: ” Maybe she was there far in advance of the “late” stage of pregnant.”
Answer: Not possible because she was attending college for most of the year.
Re: ” He is committing acts that are unconstitutional…”
Answer: You have the right to try to convince your congressman and senators of that and to get them to impeach—but it is not likely that they will listen to you. In any case, it does not show that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his birth certificate is forged.
OOP’s, the former DOH in Hawaii JUST confirmed that there is NOT a birth certificate for Obummer!!! Everyone that is a democrat or LIBERAL must have missed that confession. Ovomit needs to go on trial for TREASON, for aiding and abetting our enemies, towit: the Muslim Brotherhood.
Ovomit’s crimes make Bill and Hilary’s look like child play!!!!!
Oh, and can you say “George Soros”?? He OWNS the democratic party in the U.S. He alone has supported the DP [democratic party] to the tune of over 90%. That is in the billions of dollars!!!!! And why does he do this? So he can bankrupt nations to make trillions of dollars. [YES, TRILLIONS of dollars] THAT is the SOLE reason that at least 4 foreign countries have warrants on file for George Soros’ arrest. He has already bankrupted other nations and he is about to bankrupt the U.S. And ol’ George is a SOCIALIST!!! HARD CORE SOCIALIST!!!!! And he has said on more than one occasion that he HATES AMERICA.
So liberals, go ahead and spin what-ever you want to about your lovable Ovomit, but his time will come when he has to pay for being an illegal alien, a murderer, and a criminal that has corrupted nations by way of TREASON!!!!! And when that day comes, I’ll be laughing up a storm!!!!!
I’m here to tell you it is you who is the gullible one who believes all the lies told by your false hero.
That “birth certificate” presented by the White House was proven to originate from a computer located in an aids’ office. In a box for “Race of Father” was written “African”. Only one problem…African was not used as an identifier until 1989—-28 years after obama was born.. What’s more, the box is coded with #9 which means “no info given”. The box should have been empty. obama’s birth number should have been lower than a set of twins born after him at the medical center…but his number is higher. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out someone tampered with that “birth certificate. The Hawaii officials are in obama’s back pocket and are pleased to do as he tells them to do. The truth is simply not in obama. He wouldn’t recognize truth if it walked up and bit him on his nose.
Re: “proven to originate from a computer located in an aids’ office…”
Sure it was. This is just ANOTHER birther lie, like the “his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya” LIE (she said he was born in HAWAII. Like the “Governor Abercrombie said that he could not find the birth certificate” LIE (he never said any such thing, and four Hawaii officials said that they saw the birth certificate where it is supposed to be, in the DOH files and that they had sent copies of it to Obama). Sure it was forged. That is what birthers say over and over again, and they cannot answer this at all:
ellen is on everyone of these sights, that say anything about obama not being born in the united states. its the same cut and paste stuff everytime, just ignore here, she’s probably paid to do this. if not she should be, she’s on everyone….
There is a lot of evidence that he was not born there as well as a signed affidavit from a senior election official in Hawaii during and before the first election, stating that there was not birth certificate. Said official who signed said affidavit was a Democrat. I digress. I do not care where this liar was born, but he has NEVER produced a legal, valid, “Certificate of Live Birth”! As a matter of fact, he produced a forgery of “his” “Certificate of Live Birth” to the public on tv and attested to its authenticity. It is a third rate forgery with altered numbers, signarture, seven different fonts, three of which did not exist before the advent of computers ten years or so later, as well as graduated spacing that was not available yet on the IBM “Executive” series typewriters, which I used to repair after they came out six years later. President Barack H. Obama committed a felony by submitting a fradulent “Certificate of Live Birth” and a lot of people will go to prison over it. Nobody including Governor Neil Abercrombie, a very good friend of Obama have ever produced a valid “Certificate of Live Birth”. I have examined the “Certificate of Live Birth” on line as they step by step and disected it with Adobe Illustrator. Now, I went to work for IBM when I got back from Viet Nam in 1967 and they trained me to repair electric typewriters for three months after which I worked in the field repairing them. The executive model with variable spacing had only been out for two or three years and could not have been done with that machine four years before it was invented. Now with all the “Birther” recriminations many people would have agreed with them saying they saw the COB just to avoid the Democrat Mud Fest against anyone who dare attack the “Chosen One’s” veracity. He is guilty of a felony on this! And by the way he is guilty on numerous felonies on “Operation Fast & Furious” which he and Holder are covering up.
Sorry Roy, I thought I was replying to that Obama propagandist ellen
Re: “There is a lot of evidence that he was not born there as well as a signed affidavit from a senior election official in Hawaii during and before the first election…”
You are referring to Tim Adams, a member of White Supremacist organizations, and a liar. BTW, he did not say that there was no birth certificate (which FOUR officials including the former Republican governor said did exist). All that Tim Adams swore to was that other members of the election commission had TOLD HIM that there was no birth certificate, and, guess what: (1) no other member of the election commission confirmed it; (2) the DOH of Hawaii says that the election commission did not have access to birth certificates; (3) four officials including the former Republican governor said that there was a birth certificate; (4) the fact that Hawaii issue a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the birth notices in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii) and by the public Index Data file.
Here is the Index Data file:
They are not sealed. They are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show similar records either.
i found an article that says he has a kenyan birth cerficate, and ellen says the same old cut and paste stuff everytime she sees these articles, so we have just learned to ignore her, who knows who’s payroll she is on to argue with people: http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
“Only one problem…African was not used as an identifier until 1989—-28 years after obama was born”
Lie: “African” was the OFFICIAL designation for black people used by the Kenyan government at the time. It would have been odd if Obama Senior had used anything else.
“What’s more, the box is coded with #9 which means ‘no info given’.”
1. The Clueless Clown Posse claims that Hawaii was coding birth certificates for the Census Bureau. They weren’t. The Feds did their own coding from microfilm copies. That _might_ have been an honest mistake (which would have made them merely “incompetent”, instead of “con men”), but it gets worse.
2. The CCP claimed that “9″ meant “Not stated”, according to the federal procedure. But their own video shows that the document they used (which was from 1968, not 1961. Another lie) doesn’t say that.
3. The CCP made a similar claim for father’s occupation, but the coding standard they put on the screen says “Race of parents only”, so there can be no doubt that they deliberately lied.
“obama’s birth number should have been lower than a set of twins born after him at the medical center”
Another lie: Hawaii didn’t sort birth certificates by time of birth before numbering them.
“It doesn’t take a genius to figure out someone tampered with that ‘birth certificate.”
Right: it takes a fool, who will believe any lie without questioning it, as long as it support his or her prejudices, and will actively avoid the truth if it contradicts them.
“I have examined the ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ on line as they step by step and disected it with Adobe Illustrator”
No, you haven’t: what you watched was people dissecting a PDF IMAGE, which had been created by software that is DESIGNED to sacrifice accuracy of detail for the sake of saving storage space and bandwidth (In this case, the file was shrunk by over 95% from what a high-quality scan would require). It’s the equivalent of the old wirephotos, intended to give you the _general idea_ of what something looks like, not to provide a perfect detailed picture.
The people who claim they can do a forensic analysis of it that tells you anything about the authenticity of the original are just flat-out lying.
“i found an article that says he has a kenyan birth cerficate”
And I found an article that says the Moon landings were faked. It had better “evidence” than a couple of known hoaxes that were debunked years ago.
The problem is that the birth certificate on the White House site is a forgery. A 10 year old with some basic Adobe program training can take it apart, and the edits and changes can be seen. If someone in Hawaii sent that then someone in Hawaii forged it. The question is who made the forgery. Failure to accept the fact that the document in question is a forgery is just plain idiocy on anyone’s part. Now, where is the real one? Facts are stubborn things.
The problem is Ellen’s mentality is less than that of a 10 year old. Thus, she will believe anything fed to her by the DEMS. Ellen can’t even explain how Obama was labeled as an African American on the Forgery BC, when that term was not started until 1963. Likewise, she can’t explain why he is listed as having birth at hospital that didn’t even have that name associated with it in 1961. In fact that hospital never had that name until 1978. Thus, his BC is a FRAUD… just like his book of his father where he claims his dad was 25 when he was born, yet was amazingly in WWII… That means at 3-8 years old his father managed to fight in WWII… Just as amazing as OBAMA LOL!!!!! Try giving facts not spewing your 10 year old mentality hack crap, ellen!! Better yet show me a legitimate birth certificate or his registration paperwork for college!!!! You can’t because it’s SEALED!!! You say it’s not so get it and post it for us you lying skank!
Re: “The problem is that the birth certificate on the White House site is a forgery.”
No it isn’t. Birthers just keep saying it.
Re: “A 10 year old with some basic Adobe program training can take it apart…”
Yes, a scan of a complex document put into pdf can be taken apart in Illustrator. That is the way that pdf works.
Re: ” the edits and changes can be seen…
There are neither edits nor changes. There are anomalies, which are explained by the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works:
Re: “Failure to accept the fact that the document in question is a forgery is just plain idiocy on anyone’s part. Now, where is the real one? Facts are stubborn things.”
Answer: Facts are indeed stubborn things. So why hasn’t birther sites showed the comments of all the real experts who say that Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged? Why haven’t they explained the Xerox WorkCentre research? Why, if they are convinced that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, haven’t they even ASKED to see a physical copy on security paper with the seal attached and show it to a member of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners or the American Society of Questioned Document Experts or the Association of Forensic Document Examiners? (If they asked nicely to see Obama’s birth certificate so as to show it to an accredited expert from one of those organizations and were turned down, they could report that fact—but they did not even ask. Why not? Because, if they did and the real expert took one look at the document on security paper, she or he would say in a short while: “It ISN’t forged,” and the birther movement would evaporate.) Instead, birthers prefer to blow smoke about the IMAGE of Obama’s physical copies, and not the real paper documents themselves.
“Ellen can’t even explain how Obama was labeled as an African American on the Forgery BC”
Of course she can’t, because he wasn’t. Hawaii doesn’t put the race of the child on birth certificates, and the phrase “African American” doesn’t appear anywhere on it.
“Likewise, she can’t explain why he is listed as having birth at hospital that didn’t even have that name associated with it in 1961″
Nobody can explain that, because he wasn’t: Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital had had that name since 1931. They didn’t change their name to just plain “Kapiʻolani Hospital” until 1971.
Instead of wasting your time posting demands that people explain things that never happened, you should invest it in getting in touch with reality.
“A 10 year old with some basic Adobe program training can take it apart, and the edits and changes can be seen”
Really? Well, if you think you’re smarter than a fifth-grader, prove it: identify, SPECIFICALLY, the “edits and changes” that have been made.
Get off your high horse and get back to the REAL issue here….
The REAL issue is the FORGED Birth Certificates that have been presented and a number of non-”birther” forensic experts have deemed as having been altered, Passport information that is being hidden, College Records that have been sealed and the public has been refused access to, a Social Security Number issued from a State where he was NEVER a resident and NEVER worked in and a Selective Service application that has also been determined by forensic experts to have been altered….
When this fraud presents the documents (ORIGINAL, UNALTERED versions) for verification by CREDIBLE EXPERTS and LAW ENFORCEMENT, then maybe you can run off at the mouth…
UNTIL then, put down the Kool Aid, turn off MSNBC and join the REAL world…
Re: “The REAL issue is the FORGED Birth Certificates that have been presented…”
They are not forged.
Re: “and a number of non-”birther” forensic experts have deemed as having been altered…”
Every single one of the “forensic experts” who claim that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were published on birther sites and birther sites ONLY, and birther sites have not told their readers that their “experts” include such nuts as Doug Vogt, who claims to have found “the original Altar of Abraham,” or Paul Irey, who is such an anti-Obama zealot that he insists that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying that indeed he did attend and that he graduated. Reed Hayes is indeed a document expert, but he is an expert in physical signatures, the actual handwritten signatures ON PAPER, not in digital document analysis (a fact that birther sites did not tell their readers).
And they did not show their readers all the real experts who said that Obama’s birth certificate was not forged, such as:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama’s Selective Service application was indeed forged. You are absolutely right. It WAS forged. But, wait for it, Obama did not have his Selective Service Application put online, a birther did, and that birther DID NOT EVEN CLAIM TO HAVE GOTTEN IT FROM OBAMA OR ANY REPRESENTATIVE OF OBAMA. So who forged it? (Answer for the mentally challenged, the BIRTHER did.)
Obama’s Connecticut Social Security number was the result of one of millions upon millions of SS Administration errors. Who told you that SS Administration clerks never made data entry errors? Who told you that entering a digit on a zip code wrong would not result in a SS number being generated from a place other that where it was applied for.
Obama’s birth certificate was not altered. The original is in the FILES in Hawaii and is never sent out. The legal birth certificate is the physical copies of the short and long form birth certificates sent to Obama WHICH the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent to him, and they also confirmed ALL the facts on the published copy. Obama does not have to do anything more than that. You can rave and rant forever, but Obama’s election was confirmed twice by the US Congress UNANIMOUSLY, and not a single member of the US Congress is even calling for an investigation of Obama’s birth certificate. Not one.
“The REAL issue is the FORGED Birth Certificates that have been presented and a number of non-’birther’ forensic experts have deemed as having been altered”
That “number” would be “zero”: no experts of ANY sort have examined his birth certificate, or even the certified copy, and stated that it’s been altered. None.
Several con men, and many attention-seeking fools, have made that claim, but none of them are “forensic experts”, and none of them have presented any actual evidence that would even be good enough to serve as a prop on an episode of CSI. Much less stand up in court.
“a Selective Service application that has also been determined by forensic experts to have been altered”
Here’s a valuable tip for you: when someone tells you a story like that, always insist that they provide you with the name of the “experts”, and pointers to their written reports. It will often save you from the embarrassment of discovering you were suckered when someone demands that _you_ back up your claims.
The only mention of little Barack Obama is when his mother tried to renew her passport at the US Consulate in Jakarta a few years later. We see evidence of that in the file.
She tried to trick the passport office. She went to the US Consulate in Jakarta and wrote …
CONTINUED HERE: http://www.westernjournalism.com/we-dont-need-obamas-birth-certificate
FLASHBACK: Department of State destroyed Obama’s mama’s pre-1965 passport records.
Chris Strunk and Ken Allen were the first to obtain the Stanley Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro passport records received under the Freedom of Information Act. It was those records that showed Obama’s Indonesian surname “Soebarkah” and led to the discovery that the Department of State destroyed Obama’s mama’s pre-1965 passport records.
Strunk v Dept of State FOIA Release – Stanley Ann Dunham,Obama,Soetoro Passport Application File – 7/29/10 by ObamaRelease YourRecords
Re: “FLASHBACK: Department of State destroyed Obama’s mama’s pre-1965 passport records.”
Answer: NO they didn’t, and the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created is still on her file. It was never scratched off or removed, and birther sites simply did not show it to you. Wonder why they didn’t???? In any case, very very few 18-year-olds had passports in 1961, and so the odds are very very heavy that Obama’s mother did not have one, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961, so the odds are EXTREMELY low that Obama’s mother did, and for Obama to have been born in a foreign country, not only would Obama’s mother have had to have a passport AND traveled late in pregnancy, she would either have had to get the officials in Hawaii to issue a birth certificate for Obama that says “born in Kapiolani hospital,” when according to birthers he wasn’t, OR the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii would all have to be lying now. Well, they are NOT lying. Birthers are.
Answer: They are not sealed, birther sites simply claim that they are. Obama’s private records, including school and college transcripts, are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show similar records either.
Fuddy may have actually signed it, other signatures were imported. There is no State Certified copy of an original birth certificate in a child name of Barrack H. Obama, II. – with the state seal stating it is REAL and no an ABSTRACT version. Same applies to his Kindergarten records. Application for his SSN, Passport records as a child and adult. These docs all require you submit a copy of your original birth certificate. There are no records in the name BHO, II for his College transcripts or college loans or grants. These documents would require a SSN to be presented that is registered to a person named Barack H. Obama, II.
Obama’s Grandmother definitely said that she was the first to hold Obama when he was born – in Kenya.
Re: “Obama’s Grandmother definitely said that she was the first to hold Obama when he was born – in Kenya.”
Answer: That is another birther lie. Here is what she said:
MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
[Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]
OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.
OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)
[At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice.]
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.
Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.
Birther sites simply claimed that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother had said that Obama was born in Kenya, when she never did, and they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born to make sure that their readers never saw the truth.
And, not only did Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that Obama was born in Kenya, but Obama was NOT born in Kenya. The Kenyan government said that it checked, and that Obama WAS NOT born there. The Hawaii government, officials of BOTH parties plus the Index Data plus the birth notices, all show that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for 1961 shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya, and all but one them by ship—and there were no scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.
Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for fiscal 1961:
Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.
On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.
So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by ship and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by ship (since NO Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air). And as already noted, there were no regular ships running from Hawaii to Kenya or vice versa in 1961.
“There is no State Certified copy of an original birth certificate in a child name of Barrack H. Obama, II. – with the state seal stating it is REAL and no an ABSTRACT version”
The State of Hawaii says you’re lying, and has said so repeatedly.
“These docs all require you submit a copy of your original birth certificate.”
The State Department says you’re lying. As do the laws and regulations of every State in the Union.
And, once again, we see that, when the facts are inconvenient for birthers, they just make stuff up.
…and that same grandmother also said: that obama was the FIRST KENYAN PRESIDENT of the u.s.
See above. Re “first Kenyan president.” Yes, he is the first person with a Kenyan family background to be president of the USA. Obama was NOT born in Kenya as the Kenyan government and the Hawaii government and the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for 1961 all show.
My question is if what you say is the truth about his birth WHY did he post a FORGED birth certificate of Whitehouse.gov? Why does he have a FORGED Selective Service card? Why is he using a stolen SS# that was issued to Harrison Bounel? These are 3 criminal acts that would be totally unnecessary if what you say were true. Please explain.
Re: “My question is if what you say is the truth about his birth WHY did he post a FORGED birth certificate of Whitehouse.gov?”
Answer: It is not forged. Birther sites simply keep claiming that it is.
Re: ” Why does he have a FORGED Selective Service card?”
Answer: Obama’s Selective Service card is indeed forged, but Obama did not put it online. The guy who put it online did not even claim to have gotten it from Obama. So, who forged it? (Answer for the mentally challenged, the guy who put in online, a birther.)
Re: ” Why is he using a stolen SS# that was issued to Harrison Bounel?”
Answer: The CT SS number was a result of a data entry error, and the Harrison J. Bounel story was all made up by birthers and there is no facts behind it AT ALL.
…..ellen, this sounds good , but, you are wrong. if you are right, then why couldn’t obama sign up for his own healthcare?….and why does the most of his family live in kenya?….and why does he have another man’s ss#?….and why is he so unaware of our constitution? and why does he hang out with terrorist, thugs, murderers?…….and why does a sheriff dedicate his whole extra time digging up things about obama?…there are a lot of “why’s). can you, give us an answer to these? if not, wouldn’t you like to know? I DEMAND TO KNOW, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SEARCH out this scum, and all that applies!!
Barry cannot even pass the E Verify Check……
Re: “…..ellen, this sounds good , but, you are wrong. if you are right, then why couldn’t obama sign up for his own healthcare?…”
He was signed up for his own heathcare. Who told you that he wasn’t?
Re: “nd why does the most of his family live in kenya?”
His father’s side of the family is Kenyan and Obama’s father had other children and there are a lot of aunts and uncles in Kenya—none of which shows that Obama was born in Kenya. The Kenyan government says he WAS NOT born in Kenya, and the Hawaii government (officials of BOTH parties plus the Index Data plus the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers) shows that Obama was born in Hawaii ,and the US Immigration and Naturalization Service Report for 1961 shows that only 21 people total came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and all but one of them by ship—and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.
Obama does NOT have another man’s SS number:
Re “hang out with.” Obama was elected despite that claim. Don’t like it? TOUGH.
You finally see, everybody, what the real truth is according to useful idiots like Ellen? Barack Obama aka Barry Soetoro is the American patriot he says he is, not the lying socialist, Caudillo-style dictator he has proven to be. Anything to the contrary is because of “Birthers.” The birthers did it. It’s all the birthers fault. He hasn’t really paid attorneys six figure sums to conceal his school records; that’s all birther BS. Yet one thing consistently remains, no matter which way you turn it, and has yet to be satisfactorily answered: If he has nothing to hide, why will Obama not release his school and other records to the public?
“He hasn’t really paid attorneys six figure sums to conceal his school records; that’s all birther BS”
Yup, he really hasn’t, and it’s all birther BS.
Birthers love to fling this particular cowpie, but they’re never able to provide any specifics to back it up. Not even false specifics: none has ever been able to name a _specific_ record that Obama had “sealed”, or what his lawyers supposedly did to earn those imaginary big bucks.
So more than one person lied?
Re: “So more than one person lied?”
Answer: Probably. It is unlikely that one person made all of the following LIES:
(1) Birthers said that Obama’s draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I’ll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)
(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
(3) Birthers said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said “born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” Why do you suppose they did that?
(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?
(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say “I was born in Kenya..”” Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged “Kenyan birth certificates.”
(8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama’s BC—when there weren’t ANY???
(9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.
Linda Lingle is an establishment Republican and they’re not on-board with calling BS on Bary’s fraud, that she is a friend of Sarah Palin means nothing if in fact they are friends. Fuddy was the woman who verified the BC for all intensive purposes, if it is fake as it appears it may very well be then she would have committed a criminal act in aiding and abetting. The rest of those clowns are just lyin Hawaiians. Newspaper birth notices aren’t bona fide documents moreover has anyone ever found a physical hard copy of one of those newspapers or is it only there on microfilm? At any rate, what legal weight would a newspaper birth announcement carry? I think that he may well have been born in Hawaii but I do not yet believe that the African Socialist sired him, to me he looks more like Frank Marshal Davis especially with all those skin growths on his face. I think that he should be made to produce a bona fide long form birth certificate either way to end all the speculation and verify his true identity. I know with absolute certainty that I wouldn’t be allowed to pass off a phony forged birth certificate. I know that in 1961 hospitals most assuredly did not use the term “African American” nor was Kenya in existence. It should read “Negro” in the race entry and “British East Africa” in his father’s home entry. That it states “Kenya” for his father’s country in 1961 when Kenya wouldn’t come into existence for another 2 years alone is highly suspect in my opinion and should be checked out. At any rate, why spend so much time and money hiding what should be a benign document if he really is the person he claims to be? The truth will some day come out, some enterprising domestic servant will pocket something with his DNA on it like a toothbrush or a cigarette butt and then someone could obtain a DNA sample from one of his “brothers” in Kenya or his “uncle” or “aunt” and juxtapose the DNA.
The CB has been examined by experts and is considered a fraud, Hi is not going to produce a valid BC for the public and then there is the case of the legal restrictions on all records, this is among countless other allegations and self incriminating lies by the Fraud in the WH that still have legs…..This clown is a con artist and the DNC is in over their head, the house is starting to crumble…..
Re: “The CB has been examined by experts and is considered a fraud…”
Answer: Birther “experts” keep on making the same claim.
Re: “Hi is not going to produce a valid BC for the public and then there is the case of the legal restrictions on all records…”
Answer: Hawaii can only send the BC to valid applicants, and Obama was one of them, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to him. Other records are covered under the normal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their college transcripts, passport files,etc, etc, either.
Ellen: “Fuddy was by no means the only official to have confirmed Obama’s birth certificate.”
Birthers have never averred Loretta Fuddy was the sole Hawaiian official involved in producing a birth certificate for the man who calls himself Barack Obama. On this we agree. That there were others who played a role, however, in no way negates the suspicious nature of her death.
Gee your smarter than the FBI and the CIA. Quite the investigator. Why do we need the FBI and the CIA along with forensics when we have you?
I invite you and all visitors to this site to read this in-depth 2012 investigative report by the Daily Pen’s Dan Crosby, complete with screen shots of supporting INS documents — a report which soundly debunks your above claim that “NO Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air.” [sic] To the contrary, not only did an American arrive via air to America during the relevant time frame, but that person arrived with a child who was not named on a passport prior to the use of that passport when departing the U.S. Coincidentally, there was only one such person.
Moreover, you have argued for the unlikelihood that Ann Dunham would have traveled abroad via airline. What you have offered, however, amounts to mere speculation. As Crosby’s report reveals, between July 1st, 1960 and June 30th, 1961 the INS recorded 282 alien arrivals from Kenya by air. You would thus have us believe that while many Kenyans somehow managed to book flights to the U.S., a young woman of privilege in Hawaii would have met with near insurmountable obstacles in flying to Kenya.
Friday, March 23, 2012
By Dan Crosby
of THE DAILY PEN
NEW YORK, NY – A recently discovered rare immigration record found by researchers working on behalf of an ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency reveals that an American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.
The record shows demographic and status classifications for a passenger who was explicitly recorded at the INS Arrival Inspection Station as an individual being born to a U.S. citizen parent arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st and December 31st, 1961.
This information and the dates of its documentation are disturbing given the rare nature of the issuance of certificates of citizenship for children who acquire their citizenship by birth to incoming U.S. citizens in this particular region of Africa.
Read the rest: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/03/ins-doc-found-us-certificate-issued-to.html
So Ellen you have all the answers. What is your response to the voter fraud that has come up in all the districts that Obama won 100% of the vote ?
Why is he as well as the party so against voter Ids.? And is it just coincidence that all those record wins where in districts that didn’t require voter Ids?
You’re either a Black Female Democrat -Kool Aide Drinker, or a Georg Soros/Schwartz Dem Operative Troll! ‘Operative’ in this context should be construed as ’00 Spy’!
Rational people will notice that wildmann has not responded to the facts.
ellen is gullible
Rational people will notice that Larry has not responded to the facts. There is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is NO proof that he was born anywhere else. Birther sites lied when they claimed that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii. The Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and determined that it was NOT true.
Ellen, I feel extremely sorry for you. You are working so hard to cover for the greatest fraud ever perpetrated against the USA. You are nothing but a tool of the communist agenda that has overtaken this country, You are either ignorant or complicit, but neither excuses your actions. Please go preach to the idiots on those socialist sites, where you are amongst your own kool-aid drinking kind. BTW Jim Jones was a socialist too! I have been reading about all these issues since 2007 and all the Dr. Conspiracy crap you link to is a joke. More than half the country knows that barry soetero is a fraud and a criminal.
The tell us Ms ‘Fable’ Ejjen the person with all the wrong information, why has no official. honest original copy of ‘Ding;e Barry’s birth certificate ever surfaced? Everything presented to date has been a proven forgery, and if you are intelligent enough to read you know this, so crawl back in your liberal hole!
Ellen–there is no “proof” that he was born in Hawaii. Unless you were there and witnessed it with your own 2 eyes you do not know for sure and neither do I. The FACT is that his campaign team originally stated he was born at Queens and then changed his bio. There is NO record of his birth at the other hospital. Tim Adams, Senior Elections clerk in Hawaii from May to September 2008 issued a sworn affidavit attesting to the fact that NO BC existed nor did any record exist for his birth at the hospital. FACT: in the 1960s any family member would register the births and that would trigger the birth announcements in the newspaper. Stanley Ann could have called or telegraphed her mama; given her the information and had her mama register little Barry. Thus his announcement appeared in the paper. It is absolutely meaningless.
Go drink some more Obama koolaid or get some of that Colorado weed.
“The Kenyan government investigated the ‘born in Kenya’ story, and determined it was NOT true”? That rebuttal was first printed in the “Washington Independent,” a publication more accurately described as “independently leftist.”
The source of that publication’s rebuttal? A black Kenyan in the Kenyan embassy in Washington, D.C., who said, “The Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.” Well, you certainly can’t get more objective, thorough, authenticated, and convincing proof than that.
Re: ” why has no official. honest original copy of ‘Ding;e Barry’s birth certificate ever surfaced?”
Answer: The original copy is in the DOH files in Hawaii, where is is supposed to be. Hawaii, like other states, does not send out original copies or even allow outsiders into its files to see them. It sends out official copies of the birth certificate on security paper with the state seal affixed, and that is what four officials in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have stated that they did for Obama, that they sent him BOTH his short form birth certificate (the current official birth certificate of Hawaii) AND his long form birth certificate, and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.
Re: “Ellen–there is no “proof” that he was born in Hawaii. Unless you were there and witnessed it with your own 2 eyes you do not know for sure and neither do I.”
Answer: A birth certificate is legal proof of where a person is born, and Obama’s (confirmed by the officials repeatedly) says that he was born in Hawaii.
Re: ” The FACT is that his campaign team originally stated he was born at Queens and then changed his bio. ”
Answer: Actually, no, that was a mistake by UPI.
Re: “There is NO record of his birth at the other hospital. ”
Answer: Whow, are you ever out of date: Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed Obama’s birth TWICE. Here is one of them.
Re: “Tim Adams, Senior Elections clerk in Hawaii from May to September 2008 issued a sworn affidavit attesting to the fact that NO BC existed nor did any record exist for his birth at the hospital. ”
Answer: YES he did, and Tim Adams, a member of White Supremacist organizations, was lying. And in fact, you have it wrong. He never said that no record existed. He said that unnamed officials in the Election Commission TOLD him that no record existed. He swore to that on an affidavit in a lawsuit that he knew would never go to trial—so he had absolutely no risk in LYING (as have many other birthers about many things). In any case, FOUR officials of Hawaii, plus the Index Data plus the birth notices plus the teacher who wrote home all show that Obama was born IN HAWAII.
Re: “FACT: in the 1960s any family member would register the births and that would trigger the birth announcements in the newspaper. Stanley Ann could have called or telegraphed her mama; given her the information and had her mama register little Barry. ”
Answer: That actually is impossible. Repeat IMPOSSIBLE. Why so? Because the section of the newspapers in which Obama’s birth notice appeared was called the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH of Hawaii confirm, ONLY the “Health Bureau”—the DOH of Hawaii—could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers, and in 1961 it only sent out birth notices for births IN HAWAII.
And now, since I have answered all of your points, why not try to answer MINE:
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
(Oh, and BTW, there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.
Re: “The source of that publication’s rebuttal? A black Kenyan in the Kenyan embassy in Washington, D.C., who said, “The Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.” Well, you certainly can’t get more objective, thorough, authenticated, and convincing proof than that.”
Have you got something against black people?
Moreover, birther sites did not show you the comment—I wonder why not?
Moreover, the birther sites did not show you this from the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) report for 1961 either:
So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since on Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).
There were, by the way, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).
In short, not only did the Kenyan government say that Obama was not born in Kenya, but the US INS says that Obama being born in Kenya was EXTREMELY UNLIKELY because only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in that year and all but one by ship, and there were no scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii at the time. And the Hawaii government, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data and the birth notices, all says that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, for Obama to have been born in Kenya, not only the black Kenyan official of the Hawaii government would have to be lying, but the officials in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices AND the US INS report for 1961 would have to be wrong. Dream on.
Ellen, how can you accuse others of not answering the facts? You have not answered the quoted facts concerning his proven forged BC. Try answering that one. Then try answering his use of a stolen SS#. Then thirdly, his forged Selective Service card. Until you answer the facts don’t go bad mouthing someone else……
Re: “Ellen, I feel extremely sorry for you.”
Rational people will notice that Barbarella has not responded to the facts.
Re: ” You have not answered the quoted facts concerning his proven forged BC.”
Answer: It’s not forged, birthers just keep saying that it is forged and that “it is proven that it was forged.” But neither is true. The evidence is that birther sites DID NOT SHOW THEIR READERS all the real experts who say that it is not forged, and have not responded to the Xerox WorkCentre research and have not told their readers that ALL the facts on Obama’s published birth certificate are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.
Re: “stolen SS#”
Answer: It is not stolen. The Connecticut SS number was the result of a data entry error, and the “Harrison j. Bounel” story was all made up by birthers.
Re: “Then thirdly, his forged Selective Service card…”
Answer: Obama’s Selective Service card IS forged. But then birther sites did not tell you that Obama did not post his Selective Service card or have it posted for him. The guy who posted it never even claimed to have gotten it from Obama. So who forged it? (Answer for the intellectually challenged: The guy who posted it, of course.)
Now, since I have answered ALL of your questions, why not try to answer mine:
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
(Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )
LOLOL Think so, Larry?? Sounds like she’s trying to write a column on this column. Rots o’ ruck, Ellen. I suppose you’re saying that Sheriff Arpaio’s Hawaii posse found that THEIR information is the same as yours. It IS extremely weird that Fuddy was the only one to die, and the plane didn’t even crash. Consider also that a coupla male lovers of Soetoro’s have “mysteriously” been killed, and the killers never found. Strange happenings for a president saying he promotes a transparent administration.
Re Sheriff Joe:
Birther sites made up the “male lovers” thing too. In fact, they made up a LOT of things:
CONTINUED HERE: http://www.westernjournalism.com/we-dont-need-obamas…
FLASHBACK: Department of State destroyed Obama’s mama’s pre-1965 passport records.
Strunk v Dept of State FOIA Release – Stanley Ann Dunham,Obama,Soetoro Passport Application File – 7/29/10 by ObamaRelease YourRecords
To gullible ellen: (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
He went to school their under his own admission. The only way to go to school their is to denounce all citizenship t any other country! That is according to their own regulations and laws!
as much as I personally think his BC is suspect at best, I see no evidence here (or thin at best) that this was anything more than an unfortunate plane crash
Georg Soros/Schwartz ["The One True NAZI Jew"]has enough $$$ to buy every Govt. official in the entire State of Hawaii! In the Entire U.S.! No one will be allowed to Touch his Golden Child, Obama!
It WAS an unfortunate plane crash, as you have said. But there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate.
The plane did NOT crash, it glided in for a fairly smooth water landing. Had anyone else even been remotely seriously injured, I might be more inclined to agree with you. This administration’s background is not one that is asking for support, it’s TELLING you what is going to happen. NOT very swift moves, but then, consider the source.
ellen, I know you won’t look here because you are a tool of the communists.. but read if ever want to know the truth… http://www.commieblaster.com/obama/index.html
Thanks. I suggest you do some reading too:
Obama has shown both the Web images and the actual physical copies to the press of both his short-form (the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year) and his long form birth certificate. Officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, four of them including Fuddy and the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle—a friend of Sarah Palin’s—have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both the short form and the long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him.
The claims that Obama’s birth certificate is forged is simply another birther lie. No it has NOT been “proven to be forged.” Birther sites simply claimed that it was “proven to be forged,” and they convinced a few gullible people. But it is not true.
Its a forgery. Good grief. Find someone with Adobe Illustrator, download the document, and take it apart yourself. Its not only a forgery, but a really BAD forgery. Saying it’s not a forgery does not change the fact it is. Look for yourself.
Ellen, you are drowning in the cool aid. Why don’t you choke on this instead: http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A2277183&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic
All the dots are connected to the commie in the White House. You want to back a commie? You are a commie.
is she one of the duddy family? so she would be called fuddy dutty!
Ellen the troll (paid shill) is back with a vengeance trying as hard as ever to convince us that we are all nuts. Doesn’t she/he realize that there are so many lies coming from the other side that nobody can keep up with them? Every 1 lie needs 2 more to cover up the 1st. When and if she/he ever sees the truth about “O” it will rock her/his world so much that her/his head will explode. It won’t be a pretty sight.
Politicians of both parties lie from time to time, but that does not make them born in a foreign country or their birth certificate forged. The truth is already out, that Obama really and truly was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate, and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home—–ALL show. And there isn’t a shred of evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in Hawaii. And birthers lied repeatedly when they claimed that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She actually said that he was born IN HAWAII, but birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just BEFORE she said “…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.”
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened? (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.
Oh, and by the way, I’m not paid. Are YOU paid? If you were, would it change the facts? If you were AND I were, would it change the facts? Answer: No, it wouldn’t. The facts are that the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home ALL say that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the government of Kenya says that Obama was NOT born in Kenya.
Her head’s probably already not a pretty sight.
Rational people will notice that HappyClinger did not respond to the above facts.
Everything about the BO admin is suspicious, nefarious, slippery and funny-looking.
Re: “Everything about the BO admin is suspicious…”
Answer: But that does not show that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his birth certificate is forged.
My my Ellen, you certainly came to this thread armed for bear.
Which makes me wonder just who in the heck is paying you?
Why else would you be on a right wind website when you could simply choose to ignore it?
To show us the error of our ways?
I just wonder if you are making more than the official “White House” dog handler?
Like other bear hunters, I do it for sport.
Answer: A birth certificate is legal proof of where a person is born, and Obama’s (confirmed by the officials repeatedly) says that he was born in Hawaii.
Answer: Actually, no, that was a mistake by UPI.
Answer: YES he did, and Tim Adams, a member of White Supremacist organizations, was lying. And in fact, you have it wrong. He never said that no record existed. He said that unnamed officials in the Election Commission TOLD him that no record existed. He swore to that on an affidavit in a lawsuit that he knew would never go to trial—so he had absolutely no risk in LYING (as have many other birthers about many things). In any case, FOUR officials of Hawaii, plus the Index Data plus the birth notices plus the teacher who wrote home all show that Obama was born IN HAWAII.
in 1961 Kenya didn’t exist it was called an east African republic the hospital in hawaii was also called by a different name…the hospital that’s listed on the birth certificate wasn’t called that until 1979
Whatever she does in looking into this Strange Death of this Woman I hope she keeps an eye over her shouter. Whatever happens from here on out there are just too many Dead Bodies lying all across America.
Now from Hawaii to Washington DC. Chicago and the Democratic Convention in 2008. Strange the only other Death’s never Solved tied to a Leader of a Nation is usually involved with the Soviet Union.
LIES…LIES AND MORE LIES…(ellen)….you and the guy your defending are from the world of “LIES”…and your icon HEADLINE is ” I’M TELLING THE TRUTH EVEN WHEN I’M LYING “…(ellen)…IS IT POSSIBLE THAT EITHER…ONE OR TWO OR ALL THREE of your questions/statements are incorrect…(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to be rich enough (wasn’t grandma and granddad well off…both with excellent jobs and a far amount of money in the bank ????) YES to # 1….(2) Obama’s mother would have to have traveled overseas alone…WHY NOT TRAVEL A LONE ?…or with someone that knew how to get to THAT VILLAGE in KENYA…( NO STANLEY NAME ON ANY MANIFEST OF THE INCOMING FLIGHTS)….(3) Get the OFFICIALS to record his birth….during that period…ANYONE COULD CALL AND REGISTER A BIRTH…ANYONE !!!!!!
NO RECORDS OF “ANYTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA” (WHY) these are things that I just PULLED of the top of my head…a SOCIAL SECURITY # that is NOT Obama’s…had to have a NEW one reissued…REALLY
…Columbia just had to have it’s enrollment records re-done, said that they had a BIG computer error….every professor that taught Obama’s classes…DO NOT REMEMBER HIM…REALLY…..SHOW ME A PICTURE OF HIM IN HIS CAP AND GOWN….COLUMBIA OR HARVARD….
ellen….I bet you still believe that you can KEEP YOUR INSURANCE…KEEP YOUR DOCTOR… AND YOUR INSURANCE PREIUM IS GOING TO GO DOWN $$$$$ 2,500.00 EVERY YEAR….AND THAT YOUR DEDUCTABLE THAT WAS $$$$ 500.00 WILL NOT GO TO $$$ 5,000.00
ellen….all of these comments that you have made come from something that you have read or have talked to a person that has read….the Zombie media has you and your-like wrapped up tight….how many FRAUDULENT slips can Barry get away with…his WIFE…news interviewers…etc
Answer: No they didn’t. Birther sites make up a lot of things. The State Department certainly did NOT destroy the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was CREATED. That date is still on the file, but birther sites have not shown it to you. I wonder why not? (Because if it was created after 1961—and it almost certainly was created after 1961—Obama’s mother could not have had a passport in 1961, and without a passport she could not have gone to a foreign country—except for Canada or Mexico, but Hawaii does not have borders with either of them.)
But, laying that aside, the ODDS against Obama’s mother having a passport in 1961 were just the same as other 18-year-olds having a passport in 1961, and very very few of them did. And the odds of Obama’s mother having traveled abroad late in pregnancy (and it would have had to have been late in pregnancy because she was attending college for most of the year) were the same as other women traveling late in pregnancy in 1961—and EXTREMELY few women did because of the risk of stillbirth. Yet birther sites would like you to assume that BOTH happened AND that Obama’s relatives were somehow able to get a birth certificate from Hawaii that says “Kapiolani Hospital” on it—or that the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.
@ellen birther sites didn’t make up Larry Sinclair he’s a real man well he was he was murdered shortly after his ppress conference confirming he and obama were lovers and that they smoked crack
Yes, it turns out—amazingly—that people who hate Obama and lie about him—die, as do people who like Obama and tell the truth about him. Fuddy was one of the latter, and there is no evidence whatever that she was about to change her mind. There is no link whatever between their deaths, and the other 2.4 million deaths that take place in the USA every year, and Obama.
Ellen, are you an Obama cheerleader? Are you on his staff or his wife’s staff?
Answer: No, and the FACTS stand.
One of two things….either he is not a NATURALLY BORN citizen, or he lied to receive FOREIGN STUDENT aide. Can’t have it both ways.
BTW, use reliable sources for ducmenting information….wiki is NOT one of them
Obama never received foreign student aid. That, like a lot of other things, was made up by birther sites.
The Clintons taught him well, there will be more, However, Obama will be exposed soon, very soon, he made one big mistake, too many people know who he really is, Who are they? How many in fear of their life that are involved will squeal? Watch for Valerie to flee the country, Who will be arrested at the airport? Watch for Michelle to file for a divorce, I swear I didn’t know defense, The Democrats will melt down, Dirty Harry has a heart attack, Nancy Pelosi is committed, Uncle Joe is looking for his shot gun, O YEA, this will be FUN to watch, Stay tuned America history in the making can be glorious.
Rational people will notice that loconegro has not responded to the FACTS.
Buckwheat knocks off who ever he can, just like He knocked off Brietbart.
Breitbart was an anti-birther. He LAUGHED at birthers. There is no indication whatever that he had changed his mind, and HE DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES, a heart attack caused by a coronary obstruction.
Ellen your concern here goes way,way,WAY beyond what most obama zombies show about this,obviously you are a schill or in some way on the dole for the community organizer-in-chief,and are VERY worried about what is the truth…
Re: “1) Obama’s relatives would have had to be rich enough (wasn’t grandma and granddad well off…both with excellent jobs and a far amount of money in the bank…”
Answer. Not in 1961. Obama’s grandmother did not become a vice president in the bank until the 1970s. Before then she was just a low-level employee in the bank, and his grandfather was a furniture salesman. AND, it is still nutty to think that they would have spent thousands of dollars to send their child to a foreign country to give birth even if they had the money (which they didn’t)—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
pay no attention to ellen, she is nothing more than an obama cheerleader, she cut and pastes the same old tiring crap that she got from some left wing loon board. She is nothing more than a broken record player
Rational people will notice that Lghting38 has not responded to the facts and asks you to “pay no attention” to them.
Re: “WHY NOT TRAVEL A LONE ?”
That makes the odds against the trip even lower, of course. She would have had to have been one of only 60 people to go to Kenya in 1961 according to the US INS, and she would have had to have traveled in late pregnancy (because she was attending college), and she would have had to have traveled to Kenya alone because her husband did not go, as WND has proven, and she would have had to have returned from Kenya by sea, because all but one of the 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya came by sea—and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii. ALL that and somehow got the officials in Hawaii to record the fact that her child was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii—which is what his birth certificate says, and which is what Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed twice (though birther sites have not shown you either one).
Seems rather silly to argue whether or not Obama’s tennis shoes are pink enough — the real issues are numerous and quite weighty.
He was born. He became president, with some reasons and manipulations that fall aside at this point, even the fraud and manipulation that got him re-’elected‘ as well, all much less important than the fact that it more than merely seems he cannot be removed from office after 5 years of sedition from the Oval Office.
To the sane observer, the man and his machine cannot be trusted, unless you happen be a member of The Obama Cosa Nostra™. In such case, no serious person could entertain for a moment the idea that anything connected with this terrorist can ever be trusted.
You don’t need documentation to know when your hair is on fire or that it is not, as we rotate with the planet at 1,000 miles per hour.
Ellen, was this article put here so you could once again start your Propaganda page………
Always seem to be around any talk of POTUS and his birth certificate
good to see you are still aware of the variables that keep coming up….
Re: “Ellen, was this article put here so…”
You’ll have to ask Western Journalism Center why they put the article here. To be sure I am interested in Obama’s place of birth and his birth certificate, but apparently you are too. The difference is that I have shown THE FACTS.
The birth certificate is definitely false. In fact it is a very poor forgery. It states that Obama’s father was born in Kenja. At the time of his and Obama’s birth it was known as British East Africa Protectorate and did not become Kenja until 2 year’s after Barry’s birth. Also, the Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynelogical Hospital did not exist until a merger in 1979. In 1961, the alleged date of Barry’s birth, people of color were called Negroes. The term African American, as listed on the fake birth certificate, did not exist at that time.
Re: “The birth certificate is definitely false. In fact it is a very poor forgery.”
That is what birthers say over and over—I wonder why?
Re: “At the time of his and Obama’s birth it was known as British East Africa Protectorate…”
Answer: NO, it was known as THE KENYA COLONY, Kenya for short, and it is possible to come to the USA from Colonies. Kenya became “The Republic of Kenya” in 1963, but in 1961 it was still Kenya.
ANSWER: The explanation is simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word you wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one stood over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii of people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use any word you wanted.
And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: AFRICAN. And what was the word that the colonial government of the Kenya Colony used to describe the black residents of the area in 1961? Answer: AFRICANS.
Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.
How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for the Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Answer: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
Now that I have answered all of your points, why not try to answer mine:
Even if Fuddy may have actually signed the BC, other signatures were imported. There is no State Certified copy of an original birth certificate in a child’s name of Barrack H. Obama, II. – with the HI State Seal stating it is REAL and not an ABSTRACT version. Same applies to his Kindergarten records. Application record for his SSN, Passport records as a child and adult. These docs all require you submit a copy of your original birth certificate.
There are no records in the name BHO, II for his College transcripts or college loans or grants. These documents would require a SSN to be presented that is registered to a person named Barack H. Obama, II. This is truly a game of trying to prove a negative.
Re: “There is no State Certified copy of an original birth certificate in a child’s name of Barrack H. Obama, II. – with the HI State Seal stating it is REAL and not an ABSTRACT version.”
That is another birther LIE. The state seal is on Obama’s long form birth certificate. It simply does not show up in a pdf scan. It can be seen faintly in the jpg version shown by Savannah Gutherie, and she stated that she had FELT the seal. That is evidence that the seal exists on the long form. It surely exists, and had been clearly photographed on the short-form birth certificate, and that is the OFFICIAL birth certificate, not an “abstract.”
Re: “There are no records in the name BHO, II for his College transcripts or college loans or grants.”
Answer: Of course not, those are private documents covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws and Obama does not have to show them, and John McCain and Mitt Romney did not show their transcripts, college loans, etc, etc, either.
Obama has shown both his short form and long form birth certificates and at least four officials in Hawii (three Republican and Fuddy) have confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. There is additional confirmation in the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. There ISN’T any evidence that Obama’s mother even had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy because of the risk of stillbirths.
Obama, BTW, has a US passport and used it when he returned from Indonesia to Hawaii. That is because he TRAVELED ALONE, so he had to have his own passport, and it had to be a US passport because if it were a foreign passport, he would have had to have gotten a US visa on that passport, and there is no application for a US visa for him in Jakarta (If there were, the Bush Administration would have found it and published it before the 2008 election). So Obama has a US passport, and to get a US passport—as YOU said—requires that the person show his US birth certificate, so Obama did—which is ADDITIONAL confirmation to the images of the birth certificate, and the confirmation by the four officials, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii.
Ellen, is a paid Obama shill, I just read it on Wikipedia, and Factcheck.org . says she was born terminally stupid. Why has he spent over a million and a half dollars to keep his birth certificate from being challenged.Why does his Harvard bio, his publishers bio, several dozen pre-Illinois senate articles , including his pre-congressional runs refer to him as Kenyan born? Why , during a radio interview , did the Kenyan ambassador say and they now , in fact, have memorialized his birth village . In a interview with an actual high school classmate , she confirmed he refered to himself as foreign born, he is gay , he is a habitual liar, and she was confounded how someone who lived in a low income housing apt. could afford to go through Punehou , a private , exclusive, and very expensive school, from kindergarten through 12.She also confirmed that he also had a direct supply of cocaine , and used it regularly .There is a photo of Barry Soetoro ( as she knew him) , on youtube, of Barry , in a gay jumpsuit complete with platform boots.
Barry Soetoro , on his indonesian school records, lists his religion as Muslim , now if you know anything about Islam and the Quran, to convert to Christianity is a death sentence , but they are allowed a fun little jihad device known as taqqiya , if you dont know what it is look it up.
Barry also speaks in a perfect Arabic accent when quoting Quranic passages , uses muslim protocol when referring to his fellow muslims and Islam , and his bow to the Arabic sheik was muslim protocol.
A noted skeptic anti birther, former FBI forensic document analyzer approached the BC controversy as a good scientist does, as a skeptic.He quickly verified that the BC was in fact , forged and has released a step by step video revealing the encrypted photo shop protocols and the different layers of the documents taking them apart layer by layer.Sadly , he also states that this is not only a bad forgery, but a very poor one indeed .He also dismantles the COLB just as readily and easily.
Go back under the bridge , troll.
Re: “Ellen, is a paid Obama shill, I just read it on Wikipedia, and Factcheck.org . says she was born terminally stupid.”
People who can believe the above will believe anything.
Re: ” how someone who lived in a low income housing apt. could afford to go through Punehou , a private , exclusive, and very expensive school, from kindergarten through 12.”
Answer: Obama attended Punehou only in high school, and by then his grandmother had become a vice president in a bank—and probably there was financial aid as well. Obama’s grandparents in 1961 had nowhere enough money to send their daughter overseas to give birth, if they were even nutty enough to spend the money on such a risky trip.
And UNSIGNED school application in Indonesia says that Obama’s religion was Muslim. That does not prove that he was Muslim.
Re “forged” and the “former FBI forensic document analyzer.” Both are birther LIES. There is no proof that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. Birthers simply keep on claiming it, and not showing all the real experts who say that it is NOT forged.
Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
Birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.
Meet Ron Brown and Vince Foster?
WHO IN THE “HELL CARES” WHERE THIS EVIL ONE WAS BORN. THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE IS A LIAR OF THE WORSE KIND AND IS DESTROYING OUR GREAT NATION. HE DOES AS HE DAMN WELL PLEASES AND IGNORE ANY ADVICE GIVEN. HE HAS SPENT BILLIONS OF THE AMERICAN DOLLARS ON HIS BROTHERHOOD, HE HAS IGNORED OUR CONSTITUTION AND PASSES HIS OWN LAWS TO SUIT HIS OWN AGENDA , HATES CHRISTIANS, HATES OUR BIBLE, HE HATES WOMEN, HE HATES OUR MILITARY AND HIS GREAT PLAN IS TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, HE IS A DICTATOR AND HAS COMMITED TREASON AGAINST OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS THE GAY THAT ELLEN THINKS IS SO GREAT WHILE WE WATCH OUR COUNTRY GO DOWN. ELEN MUST BE A COLLEGE GRADUATE BECAUSE SHE ISNOT AWARE THAT WE A HILTER RUNNING OUR NATION. GOD BLESS AMERICA, GOD BLESS OUR TROPPS FOR A JOB WEL DONE, GOD BLESS THE REAL AMERICANS AND IN GOD WE TRUST,
Re: “THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE IS A LIAR OF THE WORSE KIND AND IS DESTROYING OUR GREAT NATION.”
You have the right to dislike Obama and to call him a “dictator.” Others have the right to disagree with you. But, of coursse, neither your disliking Obama nor your claim that Obama is a ‘dictator” makes him born in a foreign country nor his birth certificate forged.
ellen is a toad…an EVIL ORC, who is somehow able to look in the mirror every morning…
Rational people will notice that charlesmountain did not respond to the facts and is simply calling names.
So far it seems that everyone is arguing about whether or not Obama could have been born in Kenya to Obama Sr. Has everyone totally dismissed the real possibility that “Obama’s” father could actually have been his “Uncle Frank” from Canada, who spent so much time in the US “mentoring” the lad?
Re: “Has everyone totally dismissed the real possibility that “Obama’s” father could actually have been his “Uncle Frank” from Canada, who spent so much time in the US “mentoring” the lad?”
Obama’s legal father is Obama Senior, whose name is on Obama’s birth certificate, and that fact has been confirmed, along with all the other facts, by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii. The chance that Obama’s real father (DNA father) is different from his legal father is exactly the same as Mitt Romney’s real father having been different from the one on his birth certificate or YOUR real father being different from the one on your birth certificate or my real father being different from the one on my birth certificate. And for legal and political purposes, IF if happened, it would have neither legal nor political importance (you cannot inherit communism through your DNA you know).
Off subject, but necessary: March 31, 2014 ~> “I WILL NOT COMPLY” Event ~> https://www.facebook.com/events/369663019834284/permalink/380055102128409/
“ONLINE PROTEST: The Obama administration has made March 31st as their deadline to sign up millions of unsuspecting Americans for their disaster, Obamacare. Let’s send a message that we will not enroll…we will not comply!”
free country..so don’t enroll and pay the IRS penalty, or deny yourself coverage under ACA just don’t expect to go to ER and let everyone else pick up the tab, if you can afford it and choose not to enroll so you can afford more toys of “apparent success” to impress others, there’s a term for that – Freeloader, although some can’t afford and need help, but assuming they can afford it and choose the “free ride” option it causes others to pay higher rates, taxes etc…that’s why it was upheld by SCOTUS, the principle of “inactivity”, when someone refuses to do their civic duty and it causes damage to others they can be held accountable, just like taxes, the draft, mowing your grass etc etc but then there are always options like draft dodging, tax evasion, and it just depends on how low the individual is willing to goto make a statement
Off subject, but necessary: May 16, 2014 ~> “AMERICANS and FELLOW PATRIOTS; Sign Up for Operation “American Spring” set for May 16, 2014: Target Washington, D.C. HERE ===> https://www.facebook.com/events/579896202096261/
seems like we have one myther here trying to take on all the constitutionalists, aka birthers.
Fact: obama’s own self authored Havard biography states he was born in Kenya. There is no way
that a publisher is going to make that up and pick Kenya out of all the other AFrican nations.
Fact: obama’s hawaiian certificate of live birth is just that, it says he was born, but not necessarily in Hawaii. It is a known fact that the hospital did not verify the birth. It is very well possible that Obama had been in HAwaii for a year and registered the birth, per Hawaiian law, in Hawaii. That doesn’t mean he was born in Hawaii. Sen Yat Sen got a hawaiian birth certificate, and he was born in CHINA. So Hawaii is very lax with birth certificates.
FACT: Obama has posted at least five different versions of his “Hawaiian” certificate of live birth.
FACT: the Obama internet posted birth “certificate” has been proven to be a poor forged and a fake by over a dozen qualified, forensic, criminalogists. The type fonts have been proven to be fake, the register herself found in HAwaii debunked it, it uses terminology not in vogue at the time, and the layers were obviously photo shopped.
FACT: OBama’s SSN is a fake.
FACT: Obama recently did not pass his ACA application in his own government because of all his fake credentials.
FACT: Obama did not go to Columbia.
FACT: Obama’s own wife said in 2008 that it “was good to be home in Kenya”
FACT: the Kenya national Assembly declared OBama was born in Kenya, and passed allegiances bills against the USA to get money from USA.
FACT: Obama’s passport at the state Dept. was breached, the only witness killed in cold blooded murder.
FACT: Bill Ayers post man was introduced to OBama as a foreign exchange student.
FACT: Obama lived in the foreign exchange student dorm at Occidental University in California.
FACT: Obama was adopted, his mother’s passport shows his citizenship as not being American. That in and of itself is a disqualifier per the Constitution of USA. OBama never declared his USA citizenship, EVER, ANY WHERE.
FACT: Obama real name , legal name, is Barry Saotao.
FACT: Obama lied about keeping your doctor
FACT: OBAMA lied about keeping your insurance
FACT: OBama lied about Benghazi, IRS, AP, NRA
FACT Obama lies about everything.
FACT: George WAshington never told a lie, Obama/Saotao/Bounel never told the truth.
Obama is no more than a pot smoking , gay pipe sucking prostitute, who scammed his way to the top.
Not ideal story that the American public wants to hear, and the media covered all of this up. Bill Ayers knows the truth and so do obama’s high school friends and college mates.
The above contains a lot of lies. For example, Obama never legally changed his name. He simply used his step-father’s name while he was in Indonesia. He was never adopted, which takes the action of a district court in Indonesia, and he never became an Indonesian citizen, as the Indonesian Embassy will confirm, and he never lost his US citizenship–which is impossible to happen to a US child. Ayers said they were giving financial assistance to a foreign student, but he did not say that the foreign student was Obama, and the “Obama applied to college as a foreign student” story came from AN APRIL FOOL’S article.
Here are more classic birther lies:
Re: “Fact: obama’s own self authored Havard biography states he was born in Kenya.”
The “self-authored” is another birther LIE. Obama’s literary agent admitted to making the mistake all by herself and not checking with Obama. And the mistake of a literary agent, of course, is not proof of birth anywhere, and certainly not birth in Kenya when: (1) the Kenyan government said that it checked and that Obama was NOT born there; (2) the Hawaii government—officials of both parties, plus the Index Data plus the birth notices—says that Obama was born in Hawaii; (3) the US Immigration and Naturalization Service Report for 1961 said that only 21 people total came to the USA from Kenya in 1961—and all but one of them by SHIP, and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.
Re: “Fact: obama’s hawaiian certificate of live birth is just that, it says he was born, but not necessarily in Hawaii.”
Answer: That is a blantant lie. Obama’s certificate of live birth says that he was born in KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL, and his short form certification of live birth says that he was born in Honolulu, and the officials of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed those facts.
Re: “It is a known fact that the hospital did not verify the birth.”
Answer: Boy are you ever out of date:
(and that is only one of TWO confirmations).
Re: “It is very well possible that Obama had been in HAwaii for a year and registered the birth, per Hawaiian law, in Hawaii.”
Answer: That also is not POSSIBLE. Why not? Because a delayed birth certificate in Hawaii requires the word “Delayed” on it, and Obama’s does not have that word on it, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have said that the copy of the birth certificate that the White House put online has all the facts on it EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him, and it does not say “Delayed.”
Ellen? You’re a koolaid drinker. Knock it off. You’re pathetic examples of proof are not and you embarrass yourself.
why don’t you all that are trying so hard to prove your point work collectively to stop war, world hunger, global warming, the growing deficit, the US economy etc….if that’s too hard then maybe locate JFK’s brain. Unfortunately creating your own theories and making them fit your purpose accomplishes nothing, so unless you enjoy the exploitation of untruths to achieve absolutely nothing, you are all wasting your time. Or….here’s one for you….write your elected officials. We know them to be upstanding and in feverish pursuit of what is best for the Nation. Right ?
How many people did Clinton kill? How many people did Obama have killed?
They (Senators and Congressmen) know he isn’t legal but, they’re afraid there will be a race war. The blacks will insist that it’s whitey out to remove him from the Whitehouse. Not all blacks would feel that way. Like the majority of us, they’d see it as being lied to as well. It would look very bad in the eyes of the world and they don’t want that shame. EXPOSE HIM AT ALL COST. If this is truly a Constitutional government then it has to be exposed.
Re: “They (Senators and Congressmen) know he isn’t legal but, they’re afraid there will be a race war.”
The US Congress (535 members) voted to confirm Obama’s election UNANIMOUSLY twice, and not a single member of the US Electoral College in either the 2008 or 2012 elections changed her or his vote to vote against Obama despite birther letter writing campaigns to encourage them to change their votes. Obama received 356 electoral votes in the general election of 2008, and he received the votes of 356 electors. Obama received 332 electoral votes in the general election of 2012, and he received the votes of 332 electors. Not one changed. Not one elector changed her or his vote—and that is because not one of them believed the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the birther legal theory that two citizen parents are required for a US-born child to be a Natural Born Citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Ellen…Ellen…if you are not working for Obama, you are not only scary but sad. Good grief.
Rational people will notice that RoseBel60 has not responded to the facts.
Rational people see you for what you are, a paid OBOT troll.
OK, so who ever posted the borth announcement and Photoshopped Birth Certifcate are fooling themselves.
First, anyone can make a birth announcement, doesn’t mean that was ever the case except someone said so? I can make an announcement and say BHO was born in Kenya and so on.
The big error on the birth cert is that father’s race is listed as “African”, African is not a race, and that term was not used until the late 80′s. In the 60′s he would be registered as a “Negro”, that is a race. “Negro”, so who ever made up this birth certificate di not know their history. Find any birth certificate from Hawaii or any other state for that matter that listed a black baby as “African”, sorry but you will find they were listed as “Negro”. There are NO other certificates that status “African”.
The rest of the certificate was photo-shopped as layers are obvious.
The “Original”, really so you believe that too. You must also believe that your healthcare costs would save you $2500 a year.
All dictators lie, yet there are those that want to fool themselves.
You all forget, his grandfather and grandmother worked for the CIA. The other arguments that state that the birth certificate is false are accurate, so I don’t need to repeat them. Too much to answer but then fools believed that Hitler was killing Jews.
Bottom line he is a fraud and continues to commit crimes against We The People and our constitution. I believe what Ellen and DA have posted, also its obvious to me that O whatever ! has spent more then 5 million dollars hiding his records, WHY???. We the American people have the right to see his resume that got him in the White House.
Fact: O whatever ! is a fraud, liar, usurper, and just a no good SOB.
Re: ” its obvious to me that O whatever ! has spent more then 5 million dollars hiding his records, WHY???.”
Answer: Obama did not spend a cent hiding anything. Birther sites simply told you that he did. Oh, and Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their school records, college records, passport records, etc, etc, either.
Your a paid troll….
Shoo troll, shoo…
The birth certificate and Selective Service are PROVEN forgeries.
Get over it, toad….
So anyone who doesn’t accept your nutbaggery birther memes is a paid troll?
I only wish I could get paid for laughing at birthers.
Methinks Ellen doth protest too much.
Methinks Ellen is a paid troll.
Methinks Ellen is irrellenant.
I personally don’t have a clue to where barry was born!………BUT I have zero doubt his long form birthcertificate was forged!!!!!…..WHY???……as far as the 3 deaths that took place in late 2007—1 died of complications of aids BUT the other 2 died by what appears to be by assassination………those murders yet to be solved!….and to top it off one of those fellows own mother who retired from the Chicago police department swears her son had an affair with barry…….it’s also a known fact Obama & rahm were both members of “man’s country” —a friend of mine who worked for the Chicago tribune was also a member and he remembers then senator Obama quite well!!!!!……I was also faxed a copy of when Obama was running for senator the headline was something like: “Kenyan born Obama running for senate”—–so was Obama lying then OR is he lying NOW?!!!…….no doubt B.S. exist on both sides but ignoring some obvious facts is plain ignorant!!!!!!!!!
Ellen, just be patient.
What a vile toad….
A Prime example of how World Nut Daily, in the form of The Western Center for “Journalism” (read nutbaggery) intentionally misleads it’s readers to mine rage.
The headline as written “Doctor Calls Loretta Fuddy’s Death Very Strange”, would lead a person to beleive that this was a medical doctor, who was involved in determining the cause of death, or somehow connected with Ms. Fuddy.
What they don’t bother to say is that Vuoto is not a medical doctor, has no training to speak to the issue, and is not connected to the deceased or the investigation in any way.
Vuoto, well known for being a multiple conspiracy nutbag, is just another crank birther. She has no authority, no expertise, no knowledge, nothing.
We know birthers aren’t honest, by definition…. but you could at least try.
Get over it, Obot….
Full Press Conference Sheriff Joe Arpaio Barack Obama Birth Certificate July 17, 2012
Typical Obot crank reduced to name-calling..
Choke on the truth, vile, ideological toad…
Re: “The birth certificate and Selective Service are PROVEN forgeries.”
Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged, birthers simply claim that it is forged over and over and over. Obama’s Selective Service WAS INDEED forged. You are right to say so, but it wasn’t posted by Obama, so it could not have been forged by him or by any of his representatives. It was posted by a BIRTHER, who forged it. The guy did not even claim to have gotten it from Obama.
A paper copy of Obama’s selective service registration card, called a form “SSS-1,” was obtained days before the 2008 elections through a FOIA request.
There is zero evidence it was forged by a “birther”…
Since the birth certificate and Selective are PROVEN forgeries and the SSN is fraudulent there is zero documentation for the Usurper…
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/dr-grace-vuoto-hawaii-doh-directors-death-strange/#7OdZ4U6sFjPqxp1d.99
Re: “There is zero evidence it was forged by a “birther”…
The birther had a chance to fool around with the document before she or he posted it. AND the person who posted it did not get it from Obama or any representative of Obama. The person who posted it may well claim that she or he did not fool around with it but the fact is that it is forged. Who forged it? Not Obama, since the person did not get it from Obama or from an Obama site or an Obama representative. Unless the document in the Selective Service files was forged (which is hardly likely because the FOI Act request was back during the Bush Administration) the only person who could have forged it was the guy who posted it. She or he had the opportunity, means, and motive to forge the Selective Service card. Unless Obama had it forged and slipped into the SS files, he could not have forged it. Birthers have forged Obama documents on many occasions in the past.
The claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged is a commonly repeated birther LIE. One of the main liars is Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse.
The fact that Sheriff Joe and other people who hate Obama and CLAIM to be experts SAY that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, does not make it forged.
The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on them are EXACTLY, repeat EXACTLY, the same on what they sent as on the copy that the White House put online. And, guess what, we do not even know that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961—-and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths.
Yet Sheriff Joe and birther sites have been able to convince GULLIBLE people that Obama’s mother was one of the few to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that she was somehow able to convince the officials in Hawaii to give her a birth certificate saying that the child was born in Kapiolani Hospital—or that the officials of both parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the 1961 newspapers are all lies or forgeries.
Get over it, drone…
Nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate…? You’ve got to be kidding me…
Aside from the numerous indications that it is fraudulent by documentation specialists, including multiple layers indicating it was pieced together from multiple sources, background pattern which doesn’t match, artifacts indicating digital manipulation, mismatched fonts, etc.http://tinyurl.com/l36pmr8 there is the matter of at least 4 errors in the naming of items on the document which didn’t even exist in 1961… read up http://tinyurl.com/lgq2eod
The document has been proven to be fraudulent by documentation experts, and even a review of the information entered into it can be seen to be incorrect and invalid by anyone seeking to do a minor amount of research.
Unfortunately, by the time the information was brought to light in court cases, the media had already made the issue anathema by making such a fuss over how Obama had finally released his “official” birth certificate, and then refused to touch the issue again even though the document was proven to be fraudulent in a court of law and was admitted to be a fraud by Obama’s lawyers itself under penalty of perjury http://tinyurl.com/q4xxwwm
Re: “Nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate…? You’ve got to be kidding me…”
Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Most of the anomalies you refer to are explained either by the faint typing or the way that the Xerox WorkCenter scans, compresses and puts a complex document into pdf.
Oh, and BTW, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that the facts on Obama’s published long form birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him. So you are asking rational people to believe that birther sites, which have lied on many things in the past, are telling the truth about Obama’s birth certificate being forged, WHEN THE FACTS ON THE IMAGE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT OBAMA WAS SENT. Well, it wasn’t forged. Birthers are simply claiming that it is, and they do so over and over and over again. Their lie about the birth certificate being forged is just a more complex version of their blatant lie that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—-when the tape recording shows that she said repeatedly that he was born IN HAWAII, and birther sites simply cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she said it (I wonder why??).
Re: “here is the matter of at least 4 errors in the naming of items on the document which didn’t even exist in 1961…http://tinyurl.com/lgq2eod ”
Another classic birther stupidity.
Re: “In 1961 people of color were called “Negroes.” So how can the Obama “birth certificate” state he is “African-American” when the term wasn’t even used at that time?”
ANSWER: First it does not say “African-American.” It says “African.” Only African.
The explanation is simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word you wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one stood over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii of people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use any word you wanted.
And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: African.
Re: 2. “… Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the “British East Africa Protectorate”.”
Answer. You are out of date with that name. Kenya stopped being called the British East African Protectorate in 1920. In that year it was renamed. What was the name? THE KENYA COLONY.
In short, it was called Kenya (Kenya short for “The Kenya Colony”), and it was in East Africa, so the entry Kenya, East Africa is correct.
Re: “3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. ”
Answer: You are referring to two other hospitals. But, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.
Finally, Obama’s book clearly says that his GRANDfather fought in WWII, and in fact his GRANDfather really did fight in WWII. Obama’s book did not say, nor did Obama (though there is a forged video that claims that he said it) that his father, who was indeed too young to fight in WWII, fought in WWII. Why not check with the book before saying that it says “father” when it really says “Grandfather”?
This “ellen” entity is obviously a room full of Obama shills whose whole purpose is to counter the narrative here on spreading concern about Obama’s eligibility for the office he holds and frustrated impatience with legislators who are doing nothing to put this to rest. For ‘ellen’ to read all the comments and respond as she has ‘she’ would have to have a reading speed of well above 2500 wpm – - possible but unlikely. She would then have to compose cogent replies and type them out at PHENOMENAL speed – at the same time. I throw out the bullshit flag – - not possible after looking at the time stamps. Hey ‘ellen’ tell all your buddies sittin in that office – you guys should each pick a unique name for yourself and proceed from there. And regardless of his nationality he is an anti-American socialist Muslim who has done more to destroy the Constitutional government of the U.S. in 5 years than all the enemies of the US did in the last 100 years. He quite nearly got us into WWIII with his stupid actions against Syria and his Al Qaeda surrogate army fighting there now routinely perform atrocities daily in the name of radical Islam. He Is a war criminal nonpareil in many decades . His Drone murders alone should get him convicted and hung. He is a worse liar than Nixon or anyone since. The truth is not in him. Oh did I mention that he is a homosexual and his sham marriage is laughable? Yes ! If the birth certificate is the “fake controversy” that gets him out – many will cheer.
Re: “She would then have to compose cogent replies and type them out at PHENOMENAL speed – at the same time.’
Often I just post the links to the FACTS.
(1) The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the official short form BC to Obama and the long form BC; (2) and there is a statement from a member of the press that she had seen the physical copy of the long-form BC and felt the seal; and (3) The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on Obama’s long-form BC—-including the name of the hospital and the doctor—-are EXACTLY the same as the facts on the document in the files.
Here are some links that confirm those three facts:
Here is a link to most of the documents that confirm that the officials in Hawaii sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the published image match what they sent to him:
Here is a statement from the member of the press, Savannah Guthrie, that she had felt the seal on Obama’s long form BC:
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
Here is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about having heard about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
Ellen your only and biggest thing you keep saying is that it’s lies by birthers well show some serious proof that the officials in Hawaii are not the liars. Oh wait you can’t provide 100% verified proof other than what you read that they said or did, You are obviously a serious Obama supporter and in the end you will get yours just like all of the other supporters of him, and yes his records are sealed and i tend to believe Trump who we all know over some idiot Obama supporter like yourself so why don’t you just take a back seat and shut your pie hole because it is obvious you are getting paid to argue on Obama’s behalf that you have made clear and you keep posting the same thing over and over which still show’s no proof of anything you say other than they can make up lies just like you or i can. So please stfu
Obama’s records are not “sealed.” That is a birther myth that is repeated on birther sites and ONLY birther sites. Obama’s private records are covered under the normal privacy laws, state and federal privacy laws. They are not “sealed.” And Obama does not have to show those records because Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show similar records either (and in fact no previous president showed passport records, school or college transcripts, etc, etc, either).
Ellen, you are beginning to sound like a broken record. Give it a rest! You are nothing but a troll, spewing the same ole rhetoric by the loony left. (calling names works both ways) Maybe if the fraud in chief would stop talking out of both sides of his mouth (I believe that is referred to as lying), maybe people would not find it so necessary to find out more about this man who appeared to come from no where, with questionable people in his background with very little job experience except as an agitator ( I believe that is referred to a community organizer) and all of a sudden many low information voters (referred to as ignorant people) treat him as the messiah (although it is proven by his actions,he is a muslim loving, anti-U.S. Military, America hating fraud).
Ellen it seems to me every time I see and read your comments it just makes me feel you are just drinking to much of the kool-aid. With an open mind,eyes wide open I don’t at all see what you have been posting. You are a damage control specialist but are not doing very good at all in this area.
Hey Ellen, you better seek help for your drug habit, you use so much a day you can’t see truth and reality.
How do you piss off republicans ? Lie To Them
How do you piss off democrats ? Tell Them The Truth
Ellen. Thats the same old lies that the few Obama worshipers left keep saying. If i tell the same lie over and over and over people get sick of saying you’re lying Ellen and just go away. You should take an honest look at whats going on Its not to late for a reality check.
Pretty soon you will be all alone saying how everyone else is not telling the truth. Your kind is getting fewer and fewer.
Ellen, Are you accusing the Hillary campaign of lying? It was PUMA who said a high level state dept official claimed Obama had Indonesian citizenship. Hillary was the first to question Obama’s eligibility and her supporter,Democrat Philip Berg took it to court. The Hawaiian governor claimed he would produce the birth certificate but later admitted he was unable to, CNN’s Joe Klein claimed the birth certificate had been destroyed and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother’s first statement was that she was in the birthing room when Obama was born. She later changed her statement as did Obama’s stepsister who named two different Hawaiian hospitals. Sheriff Joe’s forensic investigators determined Obama’s “birth document” was clearly tampered with and likely fraudulent.
I understand your desperation but Obama’s elite globalists masters will cover for him as long as he follows orders.
No other President had to release all their college, citizenship, birth, passport, marriage, and other records, because:
1. Thousands of people in the country knew them, knew who they were, knew their parents, went to school with them, worked with them, graduated College with them, were in business with them, lived down the street from them, played Little League Baseball with them, etc. etc. etc.
2. Barack Obama is a complete unknown person, has no past, has few classmates who remember him, had many different addresses while growing up, lived most of his first 8 years living in Indonesia as an Indonesian Muslim, had a mother who was a radical Marxist and was named by her teachers as “Anarchist Annie”, changed his name to gain college admission and scholarships as a foreign student, never had a real job for his first 30 years, masqueraded as a poor little black boy while going to the most expensive prep school in Hawaii while other students there recognized him as a Gay boy who hung around with other gay boys, stole the identity and SS # of a man who died the same year Barry needed a SS #, and broke laws by having political opponents sealed records released to the press, while having ALL of his records sealed, achieved election to State Senator, US Senator, and eventually President of the US without ever voting up or down on any bills, voting “present” every time, graduating from Columbia without anyone ever seeing him there or attending graduation or getting in the yearbook, being accepted into Columbia in spite of his admitted drug and alcohol abuse and mediocre grades, ditto for Harvard Law School, etc. etc. etc.
Barry has surrounded himself with the most despicable, incompetent, extreme left-wing dregs of society. Whenever a position opened for everything from Presidential Adviser up to Supreme Court Justice, he performed a search to find the most unqualified rottenest person he could find, and that’s the person he nominated. I can’t think of a single person in the whole administration that I would trust with a dollar of my money or to babysit my children.
Keep pushing your drivel, Ellen. Maybe Barry will make you the new Press Secretary someday, and you will finally get paid for lying.
Re: “Ellen, Are you accusing the Hillary campaign of lying? It was PUMA who said a high level state dept official claimed Obama had Indonesian citizenship.”
I am stating that YOU are lying and that no Hillary campaign official ever said it. More importantly, it is not true, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm.
Re: “changed his name to gain college admission…”
Another birther LIE. Both Occidental and Columbia state that Obama was registered as, wait for it, OBAMA.
Re: “tole the identity and SS # of a man who died the same year…”
Still another birther LIE.
Re: ” broke laws by having political opponents sealed records released to the press,
Still another birther lie.
Re: “while having ALL of his records sealed…”
Still another birther lie. Obama’s private records are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and John McCain did not show similar records. No matter how much you scream and yell, Obama does not have to show those records because they, and previous presidents, didn’t either.
Re: “graduating from Columbia without anyone ever seeing him…”
Another birther lie:
Phil Boerner, Classmate and Roommate
I was Barack Obama ’83’s roommate at Columbia College in fall 1981…. We both transferred from Oxy to Columbia infall 1091981. Barack had found an apartment on West 109th Street, between Amsterdam and Columbus [Video of apartment as it looks now], and suggested that I room with him. Our sublet was a third-story walk-up in a so-so neighborhood; the unit next door was burned out and vacant. The doorbell didn’t work; to be let in when I first arrived I had to yell up to Barack from the street. It was a railroad apartment: From the kitchen, you walked into Barack’s room, then my room, and lastly the living room. We didn’t have a television or computers. In that apartment we hosted a number of visitors, mostly friends from Oxy who stayed overnight when they were passing through town. Barack was very generous to these visitors. As a host and roommate, he sometimes did the shopping and cooked the chicken curry.
Barack has said that he spent a lot of time in the library while at Columbia and one reason
Roommate for this was that our apartment had irregular heat, and we didn’t enjoy hanging out there once the weather got cold. The radiators in our apartment were either stone cold, or, less often, blasted out such intense heat that we had to open the windows and let in freezing air just to cool things down. When the heat wasn’t on, we sometimes sat with sleeping bags or blankets wrapped around ourselves and read our school books. We also didn’t have regular hot water and sometimes used the Columbia gym for showers.
I remember often eating breakfast with Barack at Tom’s Restaurant on Broadway. Occasionally we went to The West End for beers. We enjoyed exploring museums such as the Guggenheim, the Met and the American Museum of Natural History, and browsing in bookstores such as the Strand and the Barnes & Noble opposite Columbia. We both liked taking long walks down Broadway on a Sunday afternoon, and listening to the silence of Central Park after a big snow. I also remember jogging the loop around Central Park with Barack.
One weekend I invited Barack to meet my grandparents, Elizabeth and William Lytton Payne ’46 GSAS, at their summer place in the Catskills, which we called “the farm.” I took Barack to meet some neighbors on the mountain; everyone seemed to like him pretty well, whether they were die-hard supporters of Ronald Reagan or extreme liberals. While at the farm, Barack joined the routines there, which typically included a few morning hours doing chores, such as clearing brush and sawing firewood.
After that first semester, we had to move. Barack tried to find an apartment for both of us, but was only able to find a studio for himself. I was able to house-sit in Brooklyn Heights. Barack and other friends came and visited me there a few times; we typically watched pro basketball or football on TV, or went out for dinner at a Chinese restaurant. He was amused by my beginning banjo playing (I’m much better today!). Hanging out, we could get pretty emotional about sports, food and injustice. I remember one time when we were out walking he took the time to ask a homeless guy how he was doing, so even then he was concerned about others.
Through different living arrangements in Astoria, Queens; Bay Ridge, Brooklyn; and all over Manhattan, we stayed in touch and remained friends for the rest of our college years. He got to know my girlfriend from Arkansas, who is now my wife. Since I last saw him in 1985, we have exchanged a few letters and photos. He left for Chicago, and I eventually settled in Sacramento.
Barack wasn’t thinking about becoming President when he was in college; he wanted to be a writer. Barack is a good man — some might even call him a saint for tolerating my beginning banjo playing. Based on my six years of knowing him in college and the years immediately after, I can vouch that Barack is a man of character, and I trust him to do the right things when he is President.
According to Phil Boerner, Obama’s roommate, friend and fellow transfer, Obama transferred from Occidental to CU because: “we [Boerner and Obama] felt like we were in a groove and we wanted life to be more difficult…Obama used to tell his friends that he wanted to go somewhere where the weather was cold and miserable so that he would be forced to spend his days indoors reading.”
Obama took a a course on modern fiction with the late fabled Edward Said. He was underwhelmed. [Author David] Remnick writes, “And yet Said’s theoretical approach left Obama cold. ‘My whole thing, and Barack had a similar view, was that we would rather read Shakespeare’s plays than the criticism,’ Boerner said. ‘Said was more interested in the literary theory, which didn’t appeal to Barack or me.’ Obama referred to Said as a ‘flake.’”
Obama lived at 142 West 109th and Amsterdam with Boerner. Their monthly rent was $360. Remnick writes that, “the apartment’s charms included spotty heat, irregular hot water, and a railroad-flat layout. They adjusted, using the showers at the Columbia gym and camping out for long hours in Butler library.” Um, POTUS…they’re just like us!
Mr. Obama, who ultimately made Chicago, and now Washington, his home, enjoyed his New York years, Mr. Boerner recalls. Museums. Jogging in the park. Breakfasts at Tom’s on Broadway, not yet the celebrated hangout of Jerry Seinfeld and George Costanza.
“I miss New York and the people in it,” he would write Mr. Boerner a few years after they graduated. “The subways, the feel of Manhattan streets, the view downtown from the Brooklyn Bridge.”
The apartment they shared, however, took some getting used to, Mr. Boerner recalled: 3E at 142 West 109th Street, a five-story building between Amsterdam and Columbus Avenues. The apartment had no interior doors, just archways, and Mr. Boerner had to walk through Mr. Obama’s room to reach his own. Hot water was scarce, and the two young men often showered at the Columbia gym. “It had a bathtub but no shower, just one of those plastic shower things that works ineffectively,’’ said Mr. Boerner…
When they lived together, Mr. Boerner said he thought Mr. Obama wanted to be a writer, not a politician.
New York was on the rebound when Mr. Obama arrived in New York. Ronald Reagan was president. Edward I. Koch was mayor and the city’s fiscal crisis had just started to abate. Life for Columbia students could be hard, however. Mr. Boerner recalls Mr. Obama wrapping himself in a green sleeping bag (seen in this photo Mr. Boerner took) to keep warm when they studied at home. They listened to reggae. Bob Marley. Peter Tosh. Talked philosophy. Theories of justice and John Rawls. Mr. Boerner recalled Mr. Obama joking that he would rather be spending his time pondering Lou Rawls, the singer.
Some nights Mr. Obama would whip up some chicken curry, a dish he learned from a Pakistani friend. Other meals were at Tom’s. “We would just go there for the breakfast special, two eggs over easy and toast,’’ said Mr. Boerner. “It was like $1.99, and we lived on a lot of bagels. They were, like, a quarter then, but they expanded in your stomach.’’
Though the two men stayed in touch, the housing arrangement ended that winter. Mr. Boerner thinks the leaseholder took the apartment back. Mr. Obama recalled in his memoir giving up the place “for lack of heat.’’
His letters to Mr. Boerner reflected the wistfulness of all expatriate New Yorkers. “I am still amazed when I think of what we put up with there,” he wrote Mr. Boerner in October 1986. “Still, I think you’ll find you miss it once you’ve been gone awhile.”
Sohale Siddiqi, Classmate and Roommate
The way Sohale Siddiqi remembers it, he and his old roommate were walking his pug Charlie on Broadway when aCouch large, scary bum approached them, stomping on the ground near the dog’s head.
This was in the 1980s, a time when New York was a fearful place beset by drugs and crime, when the street smart knew that the best way to handle the city’s derelicts was to avoid them entirely. But Siddiqi was angry and he confronted the bum, who approached him menacingly.
Until his skinny, Ivy League-educated friend — Barack Obama — intervened.
He “stepped right in between. … He planted his face firmly in the face of the guy. ‘Hey, hey, hey.’ And the guy backpedaled and we kept walking,” Siddiqi recalls.
There was a time before Obama wore tailored suits — when his wardrobe consisted of $5 military-surplus khakis and used leather jackets, and he walked the streets of Manhattan for lack of bus fare. It was a time well before the political arena beckoned, when his friends thought he might become a writer or a lawyer, but certainly not the first black man with a real chance to become president of the United States.
When Obama arrived in New York, he already knew Siddiqi — a friend of [Occidental Classmates] Chandoo’s and Hamid’s from Karachi who had visited Los Angeles. Looking back, Siddiqi acknowledges that he and Obama were an odd couple. Siddiqi would mock Obama’s idealism — he just wanted to make a lot of money and buy things, while Obama wanted to help the poor.
Obama doorwat”At that age, I thought he was a saint and a square, and he took himself too seriously,” Siddiqi said. “I would ask him why he was so serious. He was genuinely concerned with the plight of the poor. He’d give me lectures, which I found very boring. He must have found me very irritating.”
Siddiqi offered the most expansive account of Obama as a young man.
“We were both very lost. We were both alienated, although he might not put it that way. He arrived disheveled and without a place to stay,” said Siddiqi, who at the time worked as a waiter and as a salesman at a boutique.
In about 1982, Siddiqi and Obama got an apartment at a sixth-floor walkup on East 94th Street. Siddiqi managed to get the apartment thanks to subterfuge.
“We didn’t have a chance in hell of getting this apartment unless we fabricated the lease application,” Siddiqi said.
334Siddiqi fudged his credentials, saying he had a high-paying job at a catering company, but Obama “wanted no part of it. He put down the truth.”
While Obama has acknowledged using marijuana and cocaine during high school in Hawai’i, he writes in the memoir that he stopped using soon after his arrival in New York. His roommate had no such scruples.
But Siddiqi says that during their time together here, Obama always refused his offers of drugs.
Siddiqi says Obama was a follower of comedian-activist Dick Gregory’s vegetarian diet. “I think self-deprivation was his schtick, denying himself pleasure, good food and all of that.”Hall
Siddiqi said his female friends thought Obama was “a hunk.”
“We were always competing,” he said. “You know how it is. You go to a bar and you try hitting on the girls. He had a lot more success. I wouldn’t out-compete him in picking up girls, that’s for sure.”
Finally, their relationship started to fray. “I was partying all the time. I was disrupting his studies,” Siddiqi said. Obama moved out.
Sohale Siddiqi, his real name, confirmed Mr. Obama’s account that he turned serious in New York and “stopped getting high.” … What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends.
Michael J. Wolf, Classmate
Michael J. Wolf, who took the seminar with him and went on to become president of MTV Networks, said: “He was very smart. He had a broad sense of international politics and international relations. It was a class with a lot of debate. He was a very, very active participant. I think he was truly distinctive from the other people in that class. He stood out.”
Michael Ackerman, Classmate
A young man with a red backpack often lingered outside the International Affairs Building. He was a commuter student, so he typically arrived early, but the door to his Modern Political Movements class was always locked until the last minute. His classmate, Michael Ackerman, CC ’84, always forgot whether his name was Barry or Barack. He knew that “Barak” means “thunder” in Hebrew, but Ackerman didn’t think he looked Jewish. Ackerman said he found his fellow political science major “charming,” but the two remained only casual acquaintances.
Barack Obama, CC ’83, was “almost chameleon-like, spy-like, slipped in and out,” Ackerman recalled. “He tried to keep to himself.”
According to Ackerman, who is now a lawyer in California, Obama sometimes played pick-up games of basketball and went to a few meetings of the Black Students Organization, but “he didn’t really hang out much” and kept his nose in the books. “At that time, a lot of commuters at Columbia weren’t as involved as people who lived on campus,” Ackerman said.
Jim Davidson, Classmate
… I met Barack Obama at Columbia University when we were both students there in Spring 1983… I was a student at Columbia University 1981-1985.
Not only did I meet and talk with Barack Obama at some length, he wrote an essay that was published in The Sundial magazine on campus in 1983. Over the byline “Barack Obama” is a discussion of the anti-war groups on campus, including Students Against Militarism, a group I was a member of. (I was also a member of Young Americans for Freedom.)…
So, in summary, I was a student at Columbia, I met Barack Obama, I knew he was a student, and he and I talked, among other things, about my involvement in Students Against Militarism, my discomfort with its connection to Maoists and Stalinists on campus, and my favourite hat with political buttons all over it.
Cathie M. Currie, Graduate Student
“I knew [Obama] while he was [at Columbia]. He was remarkable then, but not in the way that most people think of as “remarkable.” He was not trying to be noticed — he was studious and thoughtful. I said of him: “Whatever Barack decides to do for a career, he will be the best at it.” When he left our group he was often on his way to a library.”
“We played soccer on the lawn in front of Butler — I was usually the only woman playing and he treated me as equally as the others: if I was open, he sent the ball into the space in front of me, if I wasn’t open — he never made the silly passes that some men did to try to act like they were being egalitarian. The “into the space” passing was consistent — he was a superior strategist — and many of us had been college or semi-pro players. We always wanted him on our team.”
“After games we had discussions — and we found that the same thoughtfulness of play was evident in his thinking about policy and social issues. He was a serious guy, but always had a ready laugh or twinkle in his eye.”
“I was doing my Ph.D. — I assumed he was a fellow grad student. When I saw him on television at the Democratic Convention I was only surprised that I knew him, but entirely not surprised at his achievement.”
“The people who are making these claims, Fox et al, do not understand Columbia. I recently told a father of a current student that he should visit the campus on a warm Friday night to see the school environment that is uniquely CU — it is the same as when I studied there: hundreds of us sitting on the library steps doing school work on laptops.”
Currie isn’t surprised that he was not widely-remembered by fellow Columbia classmates. “My sense of it was that he was keeping a low profile,” Currie said.
He seemed like someone who had made a decision to prioritize his studies, she said. “We’d ask him to go out with us for beers after soccer,” she said. “He seemed like he wanted to, but then he’d step back and say, ‘Sorry, I’m going to the library.’”
Jonathan Zimmerman ’83, Classmate (Added 8/10/2012)
Would he attend his thirtieth next year? Obama’s classmate Jonathan Zimmerman, director of the History of Education Program at New York University, who remembers the president from a sociology class taught by Andrew Walder, hopes so.
1. Kenya released President Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate.
2. Kenya released President Obama’s British Birth Certificate.
3. Birthers exist because President Obama is a British Citizen.
How hard is that to understand ?
I notice Ellen neglected to mention the fake birth certificate that was posted on the White-house Website. Why would they post an obviously fake Birth Certificate? I printed it and it was so obviously fake, a Forensic Document Examiner was not even required since it was so obvious.
Re: “. Kenya released President Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate.
Answer: That is a LIE.
Re: “2. Kenya released President Obama’s British Birth Certificate.”
3. Birthers exist because President Obama is a British Citizen.
Answer: Obama once had dual nationality. He is no longer a British citizen.
Re: “I notice Ellen neglected to mention the fake birth certificate that was posted on the White-house Website. Why would they post an obviously fake Birth Certificate?”
Answer: IT ISN’T FORGED—birthers just keep claiming it is.
Re: ” I printed it and it was so obviously fake, a Forensic Document Examiner was not even required since it was so obvious.”
Answer: That is another classic birther line. Birthers who would say that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (when the tape shows that she said he was born in Hawaii) and who would say, as someone on this site HAS said, that Kenya released Obama’s “Kenyan birth certificate” (when the government of Kenya has stated that it investigated the “born in Kenya” story and it is NOT true), would naturally lie about Obama’s birth certificate being forged as well. And it is easy to go from there to “obviously fake.”
Ellen, I’m a computer professional and I can tell you with 100% certainty, that the birth certificate was altered. (at least the one he presented on TV.) Photoshop was used to change the date and place of birth.If you know anything about computer pixals you could easily tell. He also has a social security certificate from state that he never lived in, He also has MANY sealed records. His college records are sealed, Why? In hiis books, the ones that he wrote, He says he was born in Kenya. Many of his old speeches were promoted as the Kenyon born author. So he was lying all of those years or he’s lying now, Which is it? I’m always amazed at obsessive obama lovers. No matter what he does, or how much damage he does to this country, you don’t care.
Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. See above. BTW, if you are a computer professional, then you could answer this:
Re: “He says he was born in Kenya.”
Answer: No he didn’t. Birthers just keep saying that he did. A publicist wrote the bio and admitted to making the mistake. Obama’s records, BTW, are not “sealed.” They are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws. Obama showed his short form and long form birth certificates, and they were repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and by the Index Data and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers, and he does not have to show his school or college transcripts—and guess what, neither did Mitt Romney nor John McCain or Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon.
Re: “how some serious proof that the officials in Hawaii are not the liars.”
Answer: When the former Republican governor of Hawaii, a friend of Sarah Palin’s, says that Obama was born in Hawaii, it is not likely that she was lying. And when FOUR officials, three Republican and Fuddy, all say that Obama was born in Hawaii, it is not likely that they are lying. And the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (which was under a Republican governor in 1961) and which only the DOH could send to that section of the paper, is not likely to be a lie. Nor is the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. (You know, it is rather difficult to find a Hawaii teacher whose father’s name really was Stanley (and her’s really was) in order to make that lie.)
And, guess what, there isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the high risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites with their repeated claims “the birth certificate is forged” (and “I am a computer professional and I can tell you with 100% certainty, that the birth certificate was altered…”) have managed to convince a few HIGHLY GULLIBLE people that Obama could have been born in a foreign country and that the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.
Instead, guess what, there is a very simple explanation, the birthers are lying, as they have many times before. (For example, the claim that Obama has “sealed records” is a lie. His records are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show similar records either).
Here are some classic birther lies:
They are trying to make everyone believe Obama is legit so people will stop investigating his birth or anything else about him, the more people they convince the less they have to worry about when the King of America who signs executive orders to go over congress to break the very laws he was elected to uphold puts us all in FEMA Prison Camps. Ellen STFU you are not proving anything to any of us on here
Obama IS legit. He really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii show (and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home, see links above). IF Obama exceeds Constitutional limits on his executive orders, then the US Congress hs the power to impeach him. But they have not even started congressional hearings on the subject.
Re FEMA “Prison Camps”–that is your nightmare, but there is no evidence at all that it is happening.
February 24, 2013
A few days before the 2012 presidential elections, businessman Donald Trump implored Barack Obama to release his college transcripts and passport records.
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On Saturday, Dr. Orly Taitz – who has filed several birther lawsuits against Obama – posted on her website that the president has paid more than $5 million in legal fees to national law firm Perkins Coie to keep his personal, and possibly professional, records hidden from the public. The $5 million figure, which was previously thought to be less than $3 million, does not include fees paid to other parties and law firms acting on behalf of Obama.
In addition, Obama appointed a partner at Perkins Coie, Robert Bauer, as White House Counsel ten months after taking office in 2009. Bauer also served as general counsel for the Democratic National Committee and “Obama for America” presidential campaign.
For opponents, the president’s secrecy provides political ammunition given that, in 2008, then-candidate Obama accused his colleagues at the U.S. senate, Hillary Clinton and John McCain, of a lack of transparency for not releasing more IRS tax returns.
“Senator [Hillary] Clinton can’t claim to be vetted until she allows the public the opportunity to see her finances,” Obama campaign spokesperson Robert Gibbs said during the election season.
In 2008, Democratic National Committee spokesman Damien LaVera used the issue of disclosure in attacking Republican nominee John McCain. “John McCain’s idea of being a different kind of Republican means disrespecting the voters by denying them the right to examine the links between his political career and . . . business ventures.”
In 1980, Barack Obama was identified as Barry Soetoro in his mother’s divorce papers. Ann Dunham underwent divorce proceedings with Barack’s/Barry’s adopted father, Lolo Soetoro. However, the president has not provided a clear explanation regarding the name change to “Barack Obama”.
During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush released his college records, and would later be the target of mockery from the mainstream media and Hollywood for earning “C” grades at Yale.
In August 2012, Wayne Allen Root – a former classmate of Obama at Columbia University – alleged that the real scandal can be found in the president’s college records. In his column, Root (who as a political science major does not recall ever meeting Obama) said:
My bet is that Obama will never unseal his records because they contain information that could destroy his chances for re-election . . . . Why are the college records, of a 51-year-old President of the United States, so important to keep secret? . . . If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:
A) He rarely ever attended class.
B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.
C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.
D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.
Some birthers have become suspicious of the administration’s handling of Obama’s personal records. After 2010, the White House was taking heat after the president’s “short form” Hawaii birth certificate was shown to have several digital manipulations and errors. The suspicions prompted Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio to form a team of forensic experts who, on July 2012, would conclude that the “short form” document was “definitely fradulent”.
By then, Obama’s lawyers had moved to submit a different (“long form”) version posted it on the White House website. In April 2011, Perkins Coie law partner Judith Corley sent a letter to Hawaii’s Department of Health and stated that the agency only submits a “short form” certificate. Corley requested a waiver of the department’s policy and obtained two copies of the “long form” birth certificate.
After calling Barack Obama the “least transparent” president in U.S. history, Trump said in November 2012 that “[Obama] has spent millions of dollars in legal fees to make sure that it stays that way.” The real estate mogul made the allegations amid a highly contentious presidential campaign in which Obama’s Super Pacs accused Republican challenger Mitt Romney of not releasing enough tax returns.
In a separate statement, Donald Trump said:
You know, Obama spent over $4 million in legal fees to keep these things quiet, and then he stands up and says ‘I want to see [Mitt Romney's] tax returns.’ He’s given tax returns. And if they give more – and I understand what Mitt’s saying, they’re very, very complex and 100 percent straight, 100 percent legal – but they look at little nitpicking things, and then you have another month of debate. Now if Obama gives some of his sealed records where all of this money has been spent to keep them sealed, I would certainly make that trade. I think that’s a great trade. … I think you would find some things that are very, very interesting and very shocking.
On his YouTube channel, Trump also said:
Obviously [Barack Obama] wasn’t born in this country or, if he was, he said he wasn’t in order to receive financial aid and in order to have a clear and very easy path into a college or university. Only a very stupid person would believe otherwise. There can be no other reason that so much money would not be so easily and routinely collected for charity.
Ellen, you are not going to win the battle here with all these educated people who DO NOT believe everything they are told. unlike YOU, we DO THE RESEARCH. He just recently got caught in another lie about never seeing his uncle, but was actually living with him at one point. His grandmother in Kenya said she was there for his birth in Kenya, but suddenly she is no longer alive. People have said they want to put a monument of him in hoi home town, IN KENYA!! DO you just call all these lies too!! The Hawaii place of documents recently just stated that there is NO LONG FORM of Obama’s birth certificate, so how did he get a COPY of one!! The people that do background checks tried to run Obama’s social security and it came back to a guy from the 1800′s. If that happened when you were hiring someone, you would automatically think ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!! ( IF YOU HAD A BRAIN TO THINK WITH)!! FACE THE FACTS, YOU JUST WANT HIM TO BE ALL THAT AND A BAG OF CHIPS, BUT HIS POLICIES ARE ONLY TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR WAY OF LIFE!!!
My daughter had a baby about 3 years ago out of the area. She still has friends in this area so we decided to put the baby’s birth notice in our local paper.
We called the local paper to check into what it would take to have the notice put in the paper. The lady said, “What are the parents’ names, the baby’s name, the birth date, the hospital, and a couple of other things”. I gave the information and it was in the paper the next day. We didn’t have to go to the paper’s office, show a Birth Certificate, or give any proof. I got thinking a few days later, that I could have put anything in that announcement…kind of like Barry’s grandparents probably did.
That Birth Announcement in the Honolulu paper is not worth anything when you try to prove Barry was born in Hawaii.
Chiang Kai-shek, the leader of Nationalist China had a Hawaiian Birth Certificate. It was quite easy to get one. There are different ones.
One says you were born in a hospital there, and the Hospital takes care of the paperwork.
Another is a Home Birth certificate where you have to bring in the baby to the town hall.
Another one is where a baby is born somewhere, and a friend or family member just goes to the town hall and tells them who what and when, and the BC is printed up for you. The baby may be born anywhere, anytime, to anybody, you don’t have to show any proof, you don’t even have to show the baby.
Barry’s forged BC is the first kind, because if he has a real one, it’s the third kind. Any guesses why he wouldn’t want to show the third one? Could it be because it says he was born in Kenya? Why show a forged document if the real one is valid?
Most people wouldn’t care except for the forgeries raise the question: “Who is this guy, and why does he show us forged documents to prove who he is?”.
Face it. We really don’t know the answer to that question.
Re: “His grandmother in Kenya said she was there for his birth in Kenya, but suddenly she is no longer alive.”
Actually, Sarah Obama, his Kenyan grandmother (step-grandmother actually) is still alive, and guess what, she NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. That was a blatant birther lie. They simply refused to quote her repeated statements “he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studing” and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked the direct question: “Where was he born?”
Re: “That Birth Announcement in the Honolulu paper is not worth anything when you try to prove Barry was born in Hawaii.”
Answer: You are wrong. The birth announcement in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers, that ONLY the DOH could send to the papers, and which at the time the DOH sent ONLY for births in Hawaii, is good confirming evidence to (1) the short form and long form birth certificates themselves; (2) the confirmation of them by FOUR officials including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s; (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the fact that EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the high risk of stillbirths.
Birthers simply claim over and over and over again that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, but it is not forged. That is simply another of their lies, like the LIE that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya (BTW, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 and all but one of them by ship, and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961) and the lie that Obama became an Indonesian citizen and the lie that he registered in college as a foreign student and the lie that he traveled to Pakistan on a foreign passport and the lie that he had to travel to Pakistan on a foreign passport because Pakistan would not allow US tourists (or that the USA had put Pakistan on a “no travel list, which is a lie too).
And, BTW, birther claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged have been decimated by the Xerox WorkCentre research, which birther sites never discuss (I wonder why???)
Re: “People have said they want to put a monument of him in hoi home town, IN KENYA!! DO you just call all these lies too!”
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this (which I will bet no birther site ever showed you):
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the time changes on Ellens post and also that she seems to never sleep so that just proves it is more than one of them sitting there trying to prove or should i say push Obama on us all.
Re: “Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the time changes…”
Yes John, I noticed. Then too, I can not make heads or tails on the order in which comments appear here. I thought my January 7th comments had somehow disappeared, only to find them wedged in between comments from the 6th. The chronology makes no sense to me.
Ellen: “Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii . . .”
Appeals to authority and primary source documentation are foundational components of the art of debate. Yet, what you offer as evidence originates in a state long-infamous for its widespread graft and corruption. Rivaled at sundry times perhaps only by Illinois, Louisiana, and New Jersey — Hawaii has consistently been exposed by watch dog groups and think tanks as a top ranking political corruption offender.
For years now Team Obama has tried to bolster the claim that nothing is amiss by pointing to Hawaiian officials. That, however, holds about as much sway as does the testimony of a convicted felon brought from his cell to offer evidence concerning a cellmate. And just as Hawaii’s reputation for corruption is no secret, neither is the extraordinary length to which certain public officials there have gone to obfuscate investigation at every turn. Lack of straightforwardness, strong-arming, changing rules in mid-stream and making up others out of whole cloth as they go along — are just some of the unprofessional hallmarks of those you put forward as keepers of the truth. In short, your appeals-to-authority argument has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200-dollars.
Re: “Yet, what you offer as evidence originates in a state long-infamous for its widespread graft and corruption. Rivaled at sundry times perhaps only by Illinois, Louisiana, and New Jersey..”
Answer: Don’t like Hawaii? Don’t visit it. Yes there has been corruption in Hawaii (as there has been in every state), but the fact that there has been some corruption does not mean that its birth certificates are false or that the officials of BOTH parties would lie. Nor does it mean that the public Index Data file is false or that the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii are false, or that the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley. about hearing about a birth in Kapiolani Hospital to a woman named Stanley was lying about hearing that.
And yet all of that would have had to have happened, all of the documents and statements would have to be lies, AND Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 (which very few 18-year-olds did) AND Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled during the last few months of pregnancy, which EXTREMELY few women did because of the relatively high risk of stillbirths, for Obama to have been born in a foreign country.
ELLEN, POOR CHILD!! HOW DID HITLER START HIS REGIME??? LIES AND PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU FELL FOR THEM!!
Ellen: “Breitbart, BTW, was AN ANTI-BIRTHER. He hated birthers and laughed at them.”
You, Ellen, are a liar. And you are way out of your league here.
Those of us who loved Andrew Breitbart and followed his work know well hate was not in him. As one of his vocal detractors, had you ever met him, he would have engaged you as was his wont by inviting you to go sit and talk, have a bite to eat or a drink on his dime. His ways were winning.
As for me, I’d just a soon punch your lights out, but then I’m no Andrew Breitbart.
Okay. Slight revision. He did not “hate” birthers. He simply disliked them. He still regarded them as nutty, and said so. And there is no evidence that he ever changed his mind.
Ellen keeps mentioning that Obama won’t release records because they are private, and both Romney and Mccain have not released theirs. This is really misleading. First of all, if they were asked to do so, both Romney and McCain would oblige– and, in fact, if they refused the MSM would have a field day with screaming headlines about a public’s right to know. But the public already knows about both of these men so why bother! Not so with Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama, whose names changes alone justify a closer scrutiny as to just who this character is. But according to Ellen’s lights, any questioning search into Obama’s background is a “birther” witch hunt. Her argumentation is a red herring and people need to keep asking and pushing for answers.
Re: “First of all, if they were asked to do so, both Romney and McCain would oblige..”
So you say, but the FACT is that they did not provide that information, nor did Clinton orBush41, or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon, etc. Since they didn’t, why should Obama?
Re: “So you say, but the FACT is that they did not provide that information, nor did Clinton orBush41, or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon, etc. Since they didn’t, why should Obama?”
There you go again, Ellen. You find the truth difficult to swallow. But the simple truth is, past presidents were not asked to produce personal records because there was no need to, not until Obama arrived on the scene. Why, simply because every US President you mentioned, EXCEPT OBAMA, has always, and as a matter of form and without hesitation and without being asked, supplied true and straightforward personal background data on birth, marriages, finances, education, military history, past affiliations and associations, etc., so that all such aforementioned information, warts and all, has always been a matter of public record, which all US Presidents have unhesitatingly submitted since the founding of the republic. All, that is, except for guess who?
No other president lived in another country, meaning Dual nationality!!!!
Ellen, Dont you think Obama should just release his college records and get it over with? Do you wonder why one od his resume he listed himself as being born in Kenya. There are claims from friends that knew of him in school that says he attended college on a foreign student visa/scholarship. A ad for him when he was running for senate again listed his birth place as Kenya. These are easily provable events. Considering there true, what do you think of that or theres nothing that anyone can say about Obama that would have you not adore him?
nigga lie, we gonna die
Re: “OOP’s, the former DOH in Hawaii JUST confirmed that there is NOT a birth certificate for Obummer!!!”
The above is another birther LIE.
Here are some other classic birther lies:
And in the latest LIE, the one that said that the former DOH (which means, probably, “director of health”, said that the birth certificate does not exist, it also is not true. She never said any such thing, and in fact FOUR officials including Fuddy (and there was no sign that she was about to change her mind on the matter) have all said that Obama’s birth certificate did exist in the files and that they sent copies of it to him and that all the facts on it are correct.
And, for Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii: (1) his mother would have had to have traveled late in pregnancy (she was attending college for most of the year) at the risk of stillbirths, which EXTREMELY few women did in 1961; and (2) the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices in the 1961 Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home (to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley) and this
would ALL have to be lies.
Instead, it is the birthers who are lying, as they have many times in the past.
But having mostly been raised in Kenya, Mr. Obama would have Dual nationality. In Europe If one lives there more than 6 mths/1 yr, this person automatic gains dual nationality(being his dad was born there-as the case is with the US), therefore Obama would NOT solely just have US citizenship, he would have dual nationality….
On the “official” birth certificate Obama released in 2011, the fathers nationality was listed as “Kenyan”. So far, so good. Whoever produced that document must have been a poor student of history, since Kenya did not come into existence until 1963. Note that this is 2 years AFTER Obama’s birth. In 1961 “Kenya” was known as part of the British East African Protectorate. So, in Ellen’s mind the person who documented Obamas birth in 1961 had powers to know the future. An empty suit in the Oval Office not smart enough to hire a forger who knew a little bit of African history does not bode well for a people who have been put under his jackboot. So, do you think there will be an autopsy performed on Loretta Fuddy? Ellen, want to take that bet? I will give you 5-1 that there won’t be. And, thinking of Robert Bauer….. why do you think he quit as White House counsel within a week of the forged birth certificates release? Was he the last person in the administration to have a shred of integrity and refused to participate in a conspiracy to release falsified documents?
Re: “athers nationality was listed as “Kenyan”. So far, so good.”
Actually, it lists his father’s PLACE OF BIRTH, as “Kenya, East Africa.”
So for that not to be true Kenya would have had to not existed. But it did exist, and it was called Kenya. It was known as “The Kenya Colony”—Kenya for short .No, it was NOT known as the “British East African Protectorate.” That names was changed to “The Kenya Colony” in 1920. (Ever seen the movie “Out of Africa”?)
Re Fuddy. The Police have already stated that she died as a result of an irregular heartbeat. But, say that she was murdered (It isn’t likely, and there is no evidence of it, and the others on the plane would have noticed, but say that she was murdered): Well, what gives you the idea that Obama was involved? Why Obama and not a jilted lover or a person who was about to be cut out of her will or a giant drug company that she was about to investigate? You just jump at two assumptions (1) that she was murdered; and (2) that Obama did it—when the odds are that both, or at least number 2 is wrong. Why not a giant drug company?
Why Obama? Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials, all of whom confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii, and three of them are still alive. And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is ALSO confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).
And there was no hint of an indication that Fuddy was about to change her story about Obama and say that he was not born there (which would have been absurd given the overwhelming evidence that in fact that he was born there). Yet you immediately assume that IF Fuddy were murdered, Obama would be involved. Well, why not a giant drug company or a jilted lover?
I have noted that “Ellen” continues to ‘blog’ on many sites. It ‘appears’ she has her mind set and, IMO, there’s little gained from attempting to ‘debate’ with her! Many of her references come from “Dr. Conspiracy” – who describes himself thusly – “I am not a lawyer. – Dr. Conspiracy is nobody special, just a blogger who can’t stand foolishness. The name was inspired by the radio character, Dr. Science, who is not real doctor either (we both have masters degrees). I do work in information technology with an extensive background in Vital Statistics. At least in this area I can offer expertise beyond the general public. However, what is really needed when confronting rumors and conspiracy theories is logical and critical thinking and these I learned in my academic studies in mathematics.I am a Democrat and I voted for Barack Obama. However, I have no connection with the Obama administration and this web site is a one-person show.”
“He can offer expertise beyond the general public” – everyone is entitled to their own opinions – but opinions are not necessarily factual! – - I’m not going back to read what Ellen stated about ‘someone forging Obama’s Selective Service card’ – - wonder who the ‘forger’ was supposed to have been?? – -In regards to “O’s” Selective Service Card – - “Affidavit: Department Of Homeland Security Special Agent (ret) Stephen Coffman – Based on my observations, research, experience and training, it is my belief that the Selective Service registration card I received under the Freedom of Information Act under the name of Barack Obama has been altered.” – - there are still ‘open cases’ as far as Obama’s ‘forged documents’ – - and more to come from the CCP (Cold Case Posse). who, if Congress won’t ‘take this on’, will definitely divulge their information to the public.
Arguing with idiots like Ellen and showing them proof of what you speak is an effort in futility. The Kool Aid they drink is too potent. Until all the crap from this administration crawls up her backside and slaps her side of the head and she is in the crapper she won’t listen. When this happens she will be screaming from the rooftops how she has been hard done by. Then we get the last laugh.
Re: “Agent (ret) Stephen Coffman – Based on my observations, research, experience and training, it is my belief that the Selective Service registration card I received under the Freedom of Information Act under the name of Barack Obama has been altered.”
Answer: Sure it was altered. It was forged. It was completely forged. But, wait for it, Obama did not post his Selective Service card, and the guy who posted it did not even claim to have gotten it from Obama or any representative of Obama. He CLAIMED to have gotten it from the Selective Service Administration back during the Bush Administration. But did he have the opportunity to fool around with it and make changes in it and in effect forge it before he posted it? Answer YES. So, who forged it? Answer, not Obama. He would have had to have forged it AND gotten it into the Selective Service files in order to have forged it. So who forged it? (Answer for the intellectually challenged: The birther who posted it.)
In Order to be an US President, one has to be a US citizen. But Even IF Obama was born in the US, we do know he was mostly raised in Kenya, therefore he would NOT just have US citizenship but Dual nationality to Kenya. Therefore having Dual nationality, Would he STILL be entitled to be an US President, I Don’t Think so. This would be why we see posters, remarks about him as a foreign student in the US, as one would have to be here(US) for a certain length of time, before being considered an US citizen??? Even with Dual nationality, i believe. In order to make a certain state home, it means having lived there 6 mths or so. Therefore Obama was most likely considered a Foreign Student. In Europe, long form Birth Certificates are common(i was born in England in 65) as i have a long form birth Certificate & its a Off pink color. My children born in England in the 80s, no longer used long form.
It does sound very odd as to the surroundings to Loretta, something surely does sound very fishy in her death or disappearance!!!!!
Obama was born in the USA and raised in Indonesia, but he neither has Indonesian citizenship (as a call to the Indonesian embassy will confirm) nor does he currently have Kenyan citizenship, which he had once because of the citizenship of his father, but since has expired. The story about him being a “foreign student in the USA” is a birther myth. It was originally an April Fool’s article and there was never any confirmation of it whatever.
Dual citizenship and even more FORMER dual citizenship, has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status whatever. EVERY child born in the USA, and Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home all confirm, is a Natural Born US Citizen. EVERY one—-yes, including “Anchor Babies.”
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)
More reading on the subject:
I replied earlier, but just to repeat: Obamas father is identified as “Kenyan” on the BC released by Obama in 2011. Can you explain how he was identified as Kenyan in 1961 when the nation didn’t come into existence until 1963? Hello?? What is the pay grade of someone who trolls sites which don’t follow the Party Line as espoused by the Great Leader?
Re: “I replied earlier, but just to repeat: Obamas father is identified as “Kenyan” on the BC released by Obama in 2011.”
I also replied to you earlier, but just to repeat.
So, for that not to be true, Kenya would have had to not existed. But it DID exist, and it was called Kenya. It was known as “The Kenya Colony”—Kenya for short .No, it was NOT known as the “British East African Protectorate.” That names was changed to “The Kenya Colony” in 1920. (Ever seen the movie “Out of Africa”?)
The only facts I can determine from this post is that “Ellen” is a White House operative. That is a 100% for sure fact.
I do not work for the White House or for the Democrats or for anyone. It amuses me to post the facts for the benefit of the occasional rational person who may visit this site.
In addition, there are these links:
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed.
He/She/ It is not a real person, it’s an Obot!
…and i have been having a conversation with it. I was wondering why it couldnt digest facts if it was shoved in her face. Uh bot..lol
The FACTS are listed and linked to above.
I wonder if obama will call martial law before or when the posy’s announcements are made to the public?
Ellen, I say if he likes its birth certificate he can keep his birth certificate and if he likes the people who defend him, well I would shy away from air travel over water!
IF she were murdered, which is not very likely, than the motive for the murder could just as easily have been that she was about to launch a major investigation of a drug company or killed because she was about to change her will as Obama having been involved.
There is absolutely no evidence that she was about to change her story about Obama’s birth certificate, and three officials besides her had confirmed it too—and they are all still alive. (And, in addition to the four people involved, all of whom will die some day, of course, there is the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers back in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii, and those records cannot die.)
Re: “No other president lived in another country, meaning Dual nationality!!!!”
John Quincy Adams lived seven years in France and Russia and England when his father was serving overseas (and he served in Russia without his family). Herbert Hoover lived three years in China and spoke perfect Mandarin. Mitt Romney lived and served as a Mormon missionary two years in France, and his French is probably excellent. Obama lived five years in Indonesia, and yes, he speaks perfect Indonesian. He was, BTW, never an Indonesian citizen, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm.
Which explain the Adoption in Indonesia to the name of “Barry Sotero” from Barack Obama. Try asking the Indonesian Embassy about “Barry Sotero” .
Obama was no adopted, which takes the action of a district court in Indonesia, and no such court document has ever been found.
Re: “Try asking the Indonesian Embassy about “Barry Sotero” .
Answer: Why don’t you do so? (The answer will be that Obama used his step-father’s name when he was in Indonesia for convenience, but he never was adopted and never legally changed his name, and he was never an Indonesian citizen.)
That Doctor better buy a remote car starter right soon.
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