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Dr.Alan Keyes Speaks About Obama’s Eligibility Question
April 4, 2011 by 165 Comments
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Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, shows. That is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues or sends to anyone, even persons born before it became the official birth certificate in 2001. And the facts on Obama's birth certificate–that he was born in Hawaii in 1961–were confirmed by three officials in Hawaii. And there were notices in the Hawaii newspapers. And there is no US visa or other travel document for Obama, and if he were born outside of the USA, he would have needed one to get to the USA–and none has been found.
You must of been like one of the three kings about 2043 years ago but in 1961. Did you witness the birth of this child? You are so sure of yourself you must of been there.
The official birth certificate of Hawaii is legal proof of his being born in Hawaii, and the confirmation of THREE officials in Hawaii is additional proof. The notices in the newspapers is still additional proof. The absence of a US visa or entry on his mother's passport showing that he traveled in 1961 is still additional proof, and so is the article in which Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
I know you told me this like maybe a million times. Don't care Don't care don't care. Barry has a history of lying and I question in and all things Barry. Did you see the poll for Trump in New Hampshire, I also read somewhere that they have the higher percentage of People that don't believe the birth story. See I prefer to be called and Unbeliever instead of the birther you and your choose to call people that just don't believe anything that Barry said, done, or told us he has or will do. He is the worst out of touch President I have ever witnessed in my life time and doesn't not deserve to of ever been President.
So you don't care. So you don't care about the facts. Fortunately there are a lot of people who do care about the facts. They have the right to know that the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate, and that is the one that Obama showed. They have the right to know that THREE officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate. They have the right to know that there were notices of his birth in the Hawaii newspapers, and that these were not ads but were sent out by the Hawaii government, and it only sent it out for children who had received birth certificates, and it did not accept unsubstantiated claims of birth at home. It insisted on proof.
And, a child born in a foreign country would of course require a US visa or to be entered on his mother's US passport to get to the USA. No such document has been found for Obama in 1961, meaning that there is absolutely no proof that he was born outside of the USA.
Facts? The fact is he is a liar and because of the possibility of recording his speeches in 2008 when he condemned everything President Bush did and then kept the status quo. I guess you really do have birth certificate on the brain. I don't post or talk in single issues when discussing politics. The Fact that President Bush was this big bad evil doer for the last two year of his time in office was orchestrated by the Democratic Party to gain control of the White House in 2009. The whole thing was nothing but a political shame to gain power and has nothing to do with helping the little less fortunate people they love to trout out during campaigns, which I may add are then found out to be not what they really are. Then Mr Hope and Change comes to town running against President Bush whom wasn't even on the ballet that year, but was demonized by the democrats for two solid years after the took over congress with lies. SO don't state things you call facts and say I don't care then copy paste the remaining of the response with the garbage you have already repeated 1.65 Trillion times before. That is all the Democrats have become lie, take control oh sorry we got to raise taxes because of that Evil Bush. But then have three years of over a trillion dollar deficit that will add up to 5 trillion dollars since BARRY took over on lies. That facts my friend. The only people that are really interested in that one single issue are the ones he hires to do what you are doing, (Not saying you are one of them) and the people you have tagged "Birthers". You may not of approved of what President Bush did I don't know, but he told people what he was going to do and did it. Unlike the current resident of the Peoples house.
By the way 1.65 Trillion in the last post was use on purpose it is what the debt for this year will be and it will be the highest ever ever ever, and it was not President Bush's fault, So if we stay with MR Birth Certificate Barry for 4 more years at the rate he is going he will of added 14 trillion dollars in 8 years and President Bush was demonized for 5 trillion. This is why I can not understand anyone writing anything to defend this fraud and chief. Maybe I believe he was born here maybe I don't but I stand in solidarity with the Unbelievers of the birth place of the chosen one.
You have not discussed the facts that were mentioned. All presidents lie, and US citizens have the right to vote against them when they think that they have lied.
But the facts are that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his birth in Hawaii has been shown by the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the confirmation of three Republican officials.
You have every right to vote against Obama because of the deficit, or for any reason. But Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.
Ellen the bott ! James McPherson's creation ! Nothing you state has any validity to it ! Please Ellen & James crawl back into your holes which you came from !
What can one say to those who deny the truth, one who continues the drivel about newspaper notices, one who knows absolutely nothing about the usurper's visas or travel documents? Only ignorance precedes you. Your Obamessiah will throw you under the bus when he's done using you.
Ellen the Obama Obot…. How much does he pay you to discredit anything regarding his past or birthplace? Why don't you do us all a favor and crawl back under your rock!!
You are so wrong – Hawaii issued copies of the original long form birth certificate upon request up until the summer of 2009, when in an action smacking of complicity in the coverup, the Hawaii Legislature changed the laws, making the COLB the only birth record available from the state.
The only official who claims to have seen the birth record is Dr.Fumayo, so only ONE official with no corroboration.
The notices in the newspaper were taken from the Hawaii Dept. of Health records, which seems to be the smoking gun of his native birth until further research shows that it was possible in 1961 to have a non-hospital birth recorded by simply having two "witnesses" appear in front of the registrar and swear affidavits that a child had been born – no parent, no physical evidence, i.e. the child. Obama's leftist grandparents no doubt hurried down to the registrar on the Tuesday following Obama's birth in Kenya and swore out affidavits, not as a devious plot to someday insert their alien grandchild as President, but rather to ensure his American citizenship.
Re: "Hawaii issued copies of the original long form birth certificate upon request up until the summer of 2009, when in an action smacking of complicity in the coverup,"
Answer: Actually, it didn't. It never allowed a Hawaii birth certificate to be issued with the words on it that the child was born in a Hawaii place of birth without proof that the child was born at that place.
Re: "having two "witnesses" appear in front of the registrar and swear affidavits that a child had been born .."
What birther told you that? It is wrong. If the child was born outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on witness statements form the doctor or midwife, and only if the family claimed that there was not a doctor or a midwife, would the state allow other witnesses to give their affidavits. BUT, guess what, in those cases there had to be a delay of at least a month before the birth certificate could be issued. And the ten days after the birth that the notices appeared in the newspapers indicates that there wasn't a delay of a month.
Also, for a child born in a foreign country, there has to be a US travel document to get her or him into the USA–such as a US visa or her being entered on the US passport of his mother. Either would have to be applied for in the foreign country, and the files of the APPLICATIONS for visas and applications for changes to US passports in Kenya (and other countries too, of course) still exist. Yet no such document has been found.
Ellen we will vote him out!
Bravo. This is a rational statement, and you have every right to do that. I may even join you. But I will vote on his performance and the issues, not on the crazy idea that he was born outside of the USA.
You won't join anyone except reelecting this fraud. Performance? and the issues? really? ROTFLMAO You poor person you are hard line left and I can see it the Bleeding heart Progressive pouring out in your words.
Oh I might join you and not vote for him it will be the Performance and the issues. Sorry had to write that over to absorb the whole thought.
More BS from James McPherson & his bott Ellen!
U R an Idiot with Blinders. Obahmah was born in Mombasa Kenya to a Muzzlum father & a Communist mother in 1961. Obahmah is not even a USA citizen He travelled to pakistan in 1981 when it was a NO Travel zone to USA Passports. He had an Indonesian Passport from his Indonesian Step father..Like all the drone libs out there– U believe in the Muzzlum Kenyan Commie.
He has spent over $2M of his own $$ to keep the REAL document signed by the attending physician and Hospital administrator OUT OF COURT! That document has the correct typing, no ink jet. A Stamped doc from Mombasa Kenya. Obahmah belongs in jail for FRAUD & Misrepresentation. He just might get there yet!
In fact he hasn't spent ONE dollar of his own money, let alone "over $2M" to keep his birth certificate out of court.
Yes you are correct, but the court cases are maned or woman-ed by Federal lawyers being paid by the federal government and paid with federal cash. His has lawyers at all of the cases that were brought up and dismissed, so if you say he did not spend one dollar of his money then then other than tax dollars paying for this how else did it get paid for. No one knows how much and the 2 million dollars is a unknown also. Internet repeat fact my guess.
So no I am not laughing about anything Barry, he has made this world more dangerous than prior than 911 and has found the formal duties as President much more important than leading a country as one. He and the Democratic Congress have raise the bar on spending that will ruin this country and My Grandchildren will ask me why a lot. To be truly fair a balanced some on the right are playing politics and the party is more important than the country also. But Barry's 5 trillion dollar debt in three years is the first nail in the coffin of what was a great country. And people are worried about a stupid game of Birth Certificate as Barry and his handler loving this one distraction that they have seem to set many traps to distract his lack of experience to being the President of the United States and his proving he would make a great King. No laughing here.
So vote against him in 2012. Big deal.
Just like I did not vote for him in 2008. I didn't get hypnotized by his lies as you did. He is a liar. But thank you for telling me I can vote against him.
Go Hillary!
If no Republicans step up.
Actually, I'm still registered as democrat and I would love to go to another
primary
There was never a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate (There have been lawsuits against him for his birth certificate AND college transcripts AND alleging that he took Indonesian citizenship), so Obama did not spend anything just on keeping his birth certificate private. Not a cent. If there had been a lawsuit against Obama JUST for his birth certificate, Obama would have shown the court the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the court would have accepted it.
James & Ellen stop splitting hairs! You are just substantiating your own ignorance.
Ellen; he has lawyers attending all of the legal matters that are related to the release of documents that you list. So what these people are just doing this for "Not one cent". If you could get a list of their names that would be great just in case I need a lawyer some day. Then you say if he Provide his "Certificate of live Birth" the courts would HAVE to except it . So you mean the Judge has no say? interesting. Being a life time liar as Barry is provides me with all I need to judge his character.
Hay Hay Horses-Azz Teacher James Bond McPhersonnnnnn Stop Drinking That Obamacare Kool-Aid Teach With That Real Bad Side Affect of Lying And Believing It, Yikeess, Plus Remember When You Hang With Liars, Yikeess, Who Pays For All His Traveling, Air Force One Must Run On BS, Obamacare Thnugocracy. God Bless America And Don Trump/Sarah Palin 2012.
James your Messiah is nothing more than a fake! You remind me so much of him!
Whose money HAS been spent to make sure Obama's records remain sealed?
Nobody's. They are not sealed. Obama has already shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by three Republican officials. His college transcripts, etc are simply private, not sealed. However, if in the next election the Republican candidate shows her or his college records, then Obama is likely to do the same thing.
How's that Kool-Aid you're drinking there? Need a little ice in it? Maybe a little more water so you can wean yourself off of it? There is not one single factual statement in your post. Not one. Every word in it is an outright lie. Maybe you can explain why he has a social security number from a state he's never lived in that at the date of its issuance would make him 119 years old? That's a federal felony. He lied on his application to the Illinois bar and surrendered his law license instead of challenge it in open court. This man is so corrupt, so evil, that he would give the Devil himself a run for controlling Hell.
I guess you did not know that millions of people have multiple SS numbers due to millions of errors. That is why the Congressional committee that oversees Social Security hasn't called for an investigation.
He didn't lie on his Illinois Bar License either. It asked whether he had ever practiced law under another name.
Wake Up Ellen First Your Hanging Out With Liars, Yikeess, So Instead Of Following George Soros/Obamacare/James Bond The Parrot/, Yikeess, No More Red Ink Obamacare Goons, Ellen Tell Us About Obamacares Illegal Aunt Zeituni Onyango, Deported In 2004, Yikeess, She Is Still Living In Public Boston Housing, That Tea Party Taxpayers Are Paying For Her UpKeep Yikeess, Not The Manchurian Muslim Pres Obamacare/GE Inc. Yikeess, God Bless America And Don Trump/Sarah Palin 2012.
Eh?
Ellen/ James can you not understand simple English?
I agree and shall respond the same. Eh?
I recall somebody else that freq. comments around here using Eh? alot too?
No it's not Carrol. She says Hay Hay alot, but I think somebody that responds
to her.
Ellen/James it is getting awfully deep in here!
One in a million, I think that was a song and of course he was one of the million oh course now I see its all clear to me that last posts was so factual that I now Believe the whole misunderstanding now.
Where is the birth certificate? Why is Obama paying millions to hide it from view? Hawaii allowed people born outside the US to get a COLB, still does in fact.
You lie about documents not being found. They are witheld. FOIA has been violated as a policy. You are a dishonest debater ellen and all you are on this blog for is to try to please your own contemptuous character.
Since there was never a lawsuit against Obama JUST for his birth certificate, Obama has not fought a lawsuit in order to hide his birth certificate. Birthers did not file a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate for an obvious reason. If they had, then Obama would have provided the court with the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, and the court would have accepted it, and the birthers would no longer be able to claim that he had hidden his birth certificate.
So they filed cases that asked for a dozen documents and claimed that Obama was a citizen of Indonesia, and the easy and cheap way to dispose of those cases was to show that the plaintiffs did not have standing (which they don't).
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by three officials in Hawaii, and there were notices in the newspapers in 1961, and no one has found a visa or the change to his mother's passport which would have been needed to get him to the USA if he were born overseas.
Ellen/James! what BS! You just repeat your sad comments over & over! Which may i add have no validity to them at all!
If both of them robbed a bank and the dye pack marked them red they would claim it was green when caught and therefore they couldn't be the robbers.
Do you really believe that? Every case filed has sought to have the birth certificate produced except one, the Kerchner case. In Kerchner the case revolves around the contention that there has been no qualifications presented which satisfy the constitutional requirement. In fact Kerchner's appeal to the supreme court failed to gain five of nine to conference and no recusals by Sotomayor or Kagan on the issue were offered. I suppose you'll tell us that they did recuse and we weren't told or that they are above the need to recuse because they are wise or some other nonsense. Like every single dutiful and patriotic American, I want to know why no BC has been presented to anyone. I also want the Kerchner case heard so we can have the debate in an honorable place, if it can be called so, about the intent to protect the highest office from foreign influence through NBC if a foreign parent bestowing foreign allegiance upon a child at birth can be considered a protection. Honesty is all it takes to settle this issue. Sacrificing it for political ends, well beyond dishonesty, is simply too easy for determined people as is keeping to an oath.
No lawsuit was JUST for the birth certificate. They all made claims about Indonesian citizenship or two citizen parents being required (or both) and asked for such things as Obama's parents' marriage license, his kindergarten records (a stupid request; they probably do not even exist anymore)..
IF there had been a lawsuit JUST for the birth certificate, and Obama fought it, then you could say that he was fighting to hide his birth certificate. But there was never such a case. Wonder why not? For the obvious reason that if there were such a case, and Obama provided the court with his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, and the court accepted it (which it would probably do because it is the official birth certificate) then the birthers couldn't claim that he was hiding his birth certificate.
As a result all the birther cases contain multiple claims and requests, often dozens of claims and requests, and the easy and cheap way to fight those cases was to get them thrown out. And he has the right to use that legal tactic, which every court has accepted.
Re: "I also want the Kerchner case heard."
Answer: Dream on. Kerchner lacks standing. When plaintiffs have lost for lack of standing in 73 or so cases, it is pretty obvious that they lack standing.
The intent to protect the presidency from foreign influence is true, but it has limits. The Natural Born Citizen clause forbids a foreigner from becoming president (because you have to be a citizen to be a natural born citizen) and it forbids naturalized citizens from becoming president (because you have to be natural born) But it does not forbid the US-born children of foreigners from becoming president. If that were the case, the writers of the US Constitution would have told us. They didn't, and they never used the term Natural Born to refer to parents. They only used it in the common law sense, referring to citizenship due to the place of birth.
The NBC qualification does not have limits. either you qualify or you don't. Obama has the documentation required to prove eligibility and refuses to submit it. The dishonesty is that he hired officers of the court, lawyers, to prevent the courts from issuing a subpoena for it incidentally or directly related to his qualification.. Even you should find the irony in that a compelling reason to follow the process to it's legitimate conclusion, a trial. You can not claim a court victory by escaping a jury resolution. That is your stance and it is an affront to all who respect the system and the supremacy of the constitution over all lower courts as well as the Supreme court. Then you have the audacity to interpret everything in a favorable light to your opinion despite the fact you think evading due process lends credibility to your opinion. No one that reads about this fraud with an open mind can conclude anything but there is a failure to qualify due to a single document being secreted. Everything you say betrays your intent, continued evasion of the law is not respectful.
Obama has submitted the official legal documentation, the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
If birthers had thought that there was something wrong with Obama's birth certificate, they would have filed a lawsuit JUST for the birth certificate. But they were afraid that if they did, Obama would provide the official Certification of Live Birth to the court, and then the issue would have evaporated. So they asked for a lot of things that Obama was likely to fight, such as his Kindergarten records and his parents' marriage license.
He has every right to fight those lawsuits. However, if in the next election the Republican candidate shows his kindergarten records, school transcripts and parents' marriage license, Obama is likely to do so too.
you lie like a rug. There is no use trying to BS your way past the COLB issue, it's blown wide open as a lie and you still think it is legal to hide from the constitution. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921
the WND article you refer to were true, then you or WND could write the following advertisement and publish it in the Hawaii newspapers.
“The officials in the Department of Health of Hawaii and, most recently, the Attorney General’s office of Hawaii have said that it is no longer possible to get a long-form birth certificate in Hawaii. But we say, based on images from birthers who posted them and that were picked up by WND, that they are both lying (or “mistaken,” if you are afraid of being sued or want to be nice) and that YOU can get your long-form birth certificate. So, go to your nearest DOH office and demand a copy of your long-form birth certificate. And, by the way, let us know if it works.”
Why do I think that such an ad will never be run?
Tell you what, you put the ad in the Hawaii newspapers, and if in the next month you get 10 or 20 people who will show you their long-form birth certificate obtained in April 2011 or May 2011, then I will acknowledge that both the attorney general’s office and the DOH were wrong and that you can indeed get your long-form birth certificates in 2011.
Here is what the DOH of Hawaii said: http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606….
What part of “No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore” don’t you get?
This is what the attorney general’s office said: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-….
Here is the part about not sending out or allowing copies of the originals to be made anymore:
“But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.
"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”
Of course, it is possible that these two reports are wrong, and that if you run the ad that says that people can get their original birth certificates and should apply for them, then people actually will get their original birth certificates.
But, before you take the risk, think. The first of these reports appeared in a Hawaii newspaper, and since then there has not been a correction, nor has anyone written a letter to the Editor, saying that she or he actually had gotten their long-form birth certificate. And, when the DOH statement ran in the Star Bulletin, the attorney general of Hawaii was a Conservative Republican, who could have taken action against the DOH if it were lying, but he didn’t.
Like the guy who claimed to have gone to Kenya and gotten a Kenyan birth certificate, there are likely to be people who claim that they got their long-form birth certificates in 2011, and produce “documents” that they claim proves this.
By the way, of the two images that WND shows, one is allegedly signed by the current official, Onaka, and is on security paper. The other has no visible signature or date and is only a photocopy, not on security paper (That was the one that was produced in order to win a bet. I wonder if the sucker paid off.). As for the one that was allegedly signed by Onaka, WND could have asked him IF he signed copies of any long-form birth certificates issued this year, but it didn’t. Wonder why not?
"What part of “No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore” don’t you get? "
What part of SUPREME LAW don't you get? Art 2 clearly states the mandate and no one in this or any other nation can alter it without following the process. HI IS blocking the Constitution. Aiding in that is not a debate it is evasion. Get it?
You may want to move to New Hampshire I here they got the highest percentage of "Unbelievers" in the country. That way you can more target your message to a larger source. Ya you are going to be busy up to November 2012. Hang in there and do some stress relieving behaviors between your mission for Barry and the truth.
That was a survey within the Republican Party. There was no survey of independents or Democrats.
The author of this: “More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States. ” was challenged to provide proof of this allegation on his blog three days ago, and there has not been a response yet.
Pay for the FOIA yourself and read the HSA yourself too. It's that simple. I posted the links several times and they are even specified as controlling law on the COLB. Otherwise, like you always claim, you can't prove the Hawaiian documents don't exist.. Two can play the game.
Sure you did. You claim that 300 children were born outside of the USA but were registered in Hawaii between 1960 and 1965, yet you did not show even ONE of them, or how you deduced the fact.
how do you explain the lies that the Hawaii dept of health has made and which you also propagate as fact? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921
Where is the proof? ask it yourself .
Ellen, first things first, the cert of live birth is not the only certificate that Hawaii issues, it is for foreign born children or adults, it is not actually a " birth certificate at all" and anyone could have got one in 1961 a Chinese emperor got one history tells us.. it is not prove of birth in Hawaii and never has been .. Hawaii uses a " long form birth certificate" just like every other state…. no official from Hawaii has confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. they merely indicated that there was a record in accordance with the laws of the state of Hawaii.. and did not state that Obama was actually born in Hawaii…. you mentioning the newspaper article tops off you lack of knowledge.. since when would a newspaper article become an official legal document. take a look at the information dates and content .. you'll get a flavor of the setup.. no visas for Obama no passports you mean ? Now the world knows that you have no idea what your talking about.. you may be one of those folks who thought Obama was going to pay for your house, or give you a new kitchen and so you voted for him..
The Certification of Live Birth is the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued or sent to anyone (even persons born before 2001) since it became the official birth certificate in 2001. It is a birth certificate, thousands of people use it every year to get their US passports.
There were three confirmations by three officials in Hawaii, all happening to be Republicans. They confirmed the entry of the clerk who entered the data, so a total of four would have to be lying for the Certification to differ from the information in the file.
Here is confirmation that the Certification of Live Birth is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii:
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
You are rather obtuse not to grasp that IF Obama were born in Kenya or any other country, he would have had to have a US visa or to be entered on his mother's passport to get to the USA. We know that he either got to the USA or was born in the USA. IF he were born somewhere else, he would have needed that visa or that change to a passport to get to the USA–and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found. But no such document has been found.
The notices in the newspapers are additional confirmation to the official birth certificate and the notices in the newspapers, which were not ads by the way. They were only official notices sent out by the Hawaii government, and it did not send them out unless it had issued a birth certificate, and it did not accept "walk in" claims of birth outside of a hospital but insisted on witness statements whenever there was such a claim.
Ellen/James just give it up! Many people on this site are making both of you into the fools which you are!
Ellen: You are clueless. Inane. Where is the PROOF that Obama was born anywhere? No 'Long Form Birth Certificate'. Only a phony COLB. Obama did not release anything ever. Moveon.Org posted a supposed 'Certificate of Live Birth' (COLB) which is not an official anything and has been shown to have been photoshopped.
Further clueless, it is NOT 'the ONLY birth certificate that Hawaii issues or sends to anyone'. If yo are born in a hospital, a LONG FORM birth certificate (not a COLB which could have been obtained for the children of Osama binLaden by simply showing up at the Registrars office and stating 'we had a baby at home' (with no further checking), then the two Hawaiian newspapers would have automatically picked it up (which they did).
Further, the 'three officials' you cite who 'claimed' they saw 'proof' were all Democrats, and their statements were models of misleading obfuscation. Before you blather on, as liberals always do, and never addressing the 'facts', know that what they said was NOT that they had seen the actual 'Birth Certificate' but instead, they had 'verified' Obama's birth. Verified by what? They refuse to say.
Now, clueless, lets cut to the quick. If Neil Abercrombie, the Gov. of Hawaii couldn't 'find' the birth certificate, then who can. He is a DemoDunce and yet even though he claimed he was going to find it and 'settle the matter' he couldn't find squat and has gone mute on the matter.
So clueless, where IS the REAL birth certificate? There is none and the reason there is none is because Obumma, your hero, your Messiah is a lying impostor, phony.
Tom; I doubt Ellen and her statements they seem very coordinated and per positioned as the obamabot used in the 2008 election. She has danced around almost every possible situation and not are going to lead to what should happen in this situation. For the "ORIGINAL" Certified Copy of the LONG FORM that she says has been confirmed by everybody but God his/her self. She has not seen it and the people that have seen it use very careful wording to say yes I have seen it, Blah Blah Blah. No Ellen had better rest up cause as 2012 gets closer it will be front and center. And to be quite honest I really don't think that if he did release it, that I could trust it to be real after almost three years of playing a silly game of Birth Certificate.
It is a fact that Obama has shown the official birth certificate. And it is a fact that that is the only one that Hawaii issues. And it is fact that three officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate. This is sufficient. Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress, meaning that not one member in the 535 doubted that he was born in Hawaii. And even this year, with the Republicans in control of the House of Representatives, not one committee has launched an investigation. In fact, not one member has called on a committee to launch an investigation.
IN other words, the official birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials is sufficient proof. And, in addition to this, there are the notices in the Hawaii newspapers, which were not ads but were sent by the government of Hawaii, which did not send out the notices for births outside of Hawaii, and which demanded proof when there was a claim that a child was born outside of a hospital. And, there is no US visa or change to his mother's passport that would confirm that baby Obama traveled from outside the USA to inside the USA in 1961.
The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. It is used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports.
Hawaii did not give out birth certificates to people who claimed "we had a baby at home." It insisted on proof in those cases. It demanded a witness statement, preferably from the doctor or the midwife. If there were no doctor or midwife, it required a delay of at least a month before issuing a birth certificate so that the situation could be checked. But the dates of the notices in the newspapers indicates that there was not a delay.
The officials who confirmed were all Republicans. Abercrombie did not say that he could not find the birth certificate. WND said that Abercrombie said it.
The COLB was not forged. The McCain Campaign checked the allegations of forgery, as it checked the allegations of birth in Hawaii–and found them both false. The attorney general of Hawaii for the last four years until December was a Conservative Republican. If there were anything wrong with the birth certificate, he would have taken action–but he didn't.
Hawaii issues only the short-form Certification of Live Birth, and has done so since it became the official birth certificate in 2001. It no longer issues the long-form birth certificate, and it does not even send it out to people born before 2001.
Ellen You Must Be Related To James Bond ACLU Nut Teacher, Yikeess, "Who's On First" Can Go On Forever. God Bless America And Don Trump/Sarah Palin.
Following your logic, Carol, you must be related to Cougar, Vicky and every illiterate birther in America?
James it would be great if she were related but no she is not. James i have respect for Carol, Vicky & as you call them illiterate birthers in America. These people stand for something compared to you a Far Left Liberal Communist Loser who wants to live off of the tax payers in America.
James I prefer "Unbeliever". See Birther is not a real word and leaves red squiggly lines under it . I do not believe or a follower of the chosen one Barry. I know you don't necessary support or defend Barry. Have to put that in so you don't I think you do. It nice to have Ellen back this week cause so much has "Changed" in the days she was gone. I "Hope" she got some new stuff this week. Oh did I say HOPE and CHANGE with a " d" on the end. Sorry that Barry talk. My bad.
"I prefer'"Unbeliever'"
That's fine with me, if you want to use that term, but I think it just complicates things–both sides are "unbelievers." Some people don't believe Obama is legally the president; some of us don't believe in the wacky conspiracies presented by… you know.
I'll stick with birther, since it has become a "real word." Doncha know the English language is fluid? Ask Sarah Palin, if you're thinking about trying to refudiate me.
Yes ask all the members of the Marine Corpses.
Just wondering if the Marine Corpses have a Camp in all 57 states?
Oh, Has Barry tweeted that he stopped bombing Libia yet?
Ellen/James! Try something new! you both have become so boring ! We are all about to go to sleep reading the same old responses & comments from both of you over & over again.
So stop reading. And your fellow birthers would appreciate it if you'd stop writing.
No Alexia if they leave I'm out to, I look forward to and enjoy constructive confusion of the facts and Civil discussion that we all know the left do, unlike the them there darn Extreme Tea Parties people that go around beating on elected officials windows of their house where their children are sleeping and threaten them when they don't agree and that have taking over the whole congress. Oh that right it was the Left in Wisconsin that used these tactic's and them Tea par-tiers were just accused of being like that. So no let them stay.
Thanks, ireuel, but surely you're not suggesting that either Ellen or I have been anywhere close to as "uncivil" as the likes of Cougar and Carol on this site?
Actually, you seem as peaceful on this site as my old peaceful (friend?)
with UFCW#7.
And I don't think that you are anything like him when he makes his peaceful
counter demonstrations at the peaceful rallies that he attends throwing beer
bottles at the teapartiers a week after he attends their demonstrations and
gets up right by the cameras and starts yelling "N" words and "F" words and
uses the words that those "offended" by the by the Koran burning would use.
Just a peaceful little innocent grocery store worker who is just another poor
little victim like those poor little $80K teachers in WI.
(I actually have some sympathy for him being in private vs. public union) http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2011/02…
as being a steward and watching the self checkout lanes must be pretty stressful.
Just a pe
A COLB is not an official birth certificate in Hawaii, but is an accepted form of ID in Hawaii. Interesting, Hawaii still requires a long form birth certificate to join their state guard. It says so right on their site.
The short-form Certification of Live Birth is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by ALL the departments of Hawaii (Yes, including DHHL and the state guard) and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military.
Ellen/James as usual you have been exposed bu Alena as the liar which we all know you to be!
correction: by
NOT TRUE. I was born on August 4, 1963 and I have a birth certificate not a certificaton of live birth. and when I needed a new copy because mine was old and ratty – igo the same copy.
forgot to mention – I was born in Honolulu, Hawaii
Can you prove that you received a long-form birth certificate after 2001. The officials in Hawaii have stated that they do not send out the long-form and have not done so since 2001.
When you need a new copy, you apply to the DOH of Hawaii, which sends out ONLY the Certification of Live Birth.
Ellen/James LMAO! How stupid! You want to split hairs by changing the subject! Such losers you truly are!
You have claimed that you can receive a long-form birth certificate from the state of Hawaii currently, meaning after 2001. That is an unsupported claim. Can you prove it?
The officials in Hawaii have said repeatedly in writing that they only issue the short-form Certification of Live Birth.
You may want to ask Alena instead of Alexia.
Where should she bring it or mail a photocopy to?
We have two guys from Hawaii on the travel team and one who says he was
able to get a copy of his original 2 years ago. Next time he's in town I'll ask more.
Ellen You are dead wrong. The COLB is not acceptable as a birthcertificate and the newspaper announcements give his grandparent's address, a locatrion where his parents never lived. I do not know where he was born but it makes little difference. He is a duel citizen and therefore not eligible to hold the office of the Presidency. Furthermore, the COLB was not recognized by Hawaii until 2008 after a serious qttempt to uncover the facts. By the way I am curious about your source of info about travel documents since the Dept. of State refuses to release the documents in response to FOIA requests
The COLB is accepted as a birth certificate for thousands of people in Hawaii every year.
It is perfectly legal and proper to give the grandparents address.
Who told you that dual citizenship affects Natural Born Citizen status? It is wrong. If it were true, then a foreign country could just pass a law making some candidate that it did not like a citizen of that country, and he or she would not be eligible.
It is obvious that a child born in a foreign country requires a US visa or to be entered on his mother's passport to be allowed to the USA. That is the law now, and it has been the law for many decades. So Obama would have had to have had either the visa or to have been entered on his mother's passport. To get either of them, his parents would have had to have applied for the document. Files of applications for visas and for changes to passports are in existence in all countries with US embassies. There were not that many such documents applied for in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US government for eight years until January 2009. They, and the CIA, had YEARS to search the files for the visas and the changes to the passports. No one has found any such document.
The absence of the document is in addition to the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth, the confirmation by THREE officials, the notices in the newspapers, this witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
and the statement by the Kenyan grandmother that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. ( http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi…
Ellen/James give it a break! No one is buying your lies!
hey ellen,
you are a typical obama bot.
your boy was born elsewhere, but even if he was? born in Hawaii, by virtue of his mother being a minor and either way fathers alligeance dominates, hi was born British Subject!!
His further illegal activities, such as use of froudulantly obtaine SS#, that belongs to a now dead person, born in 1890, not attending Columbia U, instead wondering in Pakistan and Afganistan, on the CIA's dime……… etc., etc.
Then why Ellen, why did Obummers grandmother say that he was born in Kenya? Why did Mrs. O and Mr O himseld say that he was in fact not born in Hawaii and was in fact born in Kenya! The man was in Kenya and there was seen a monument to him there!! ARE you blind or do you just see that he is (PART) black!! Wake up Ellen, time to see the TRUTH instead of the color!!
Funny? my wife was born in Hawaii in 1960 and guess what she does have a long form birth certificate.
Ellen, I do not like you. Most of it is when you talk, and I visualize what you look like, I keep seeing Nancy Pelosi. Go figure.
Check:
Check http://www.krdo.com/news/27379597/detail.html#
and
http://www.gazette.com/articles/springs-115381-co…
Great dissertation Alan! You know your stuff friend.
Our local elementary school just announced that kindergarten registration for next fall will begin next week .. "Parents, be sure and bring your child's birth certificate, or they will not be allowed to register!" My, oh my, and so many goofy people think a president should be exempted from this requirement?
In Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate, so that is the one that parents must bring, and in fact that is the one that parents do bring.
Ellen/James! The two stooges on this site! you have already been proven wrong so just go away!
Pay close attention to that interview Ellen, although we here are all sure nothing will sink into that thick skull of yours. That little illegal dictator of yours has absolutely no respect for America, it's laws, it's people, and least of all you! Keep on toting the line though, it looks like the truth may yet show itself, and if it does I will be the first to apologise if I and so many others are wrong, however unlikely. Will you?
Sumerian Man – Have you noticed how "Ellen" keeps on spouting the same drivel? Don't know if she's trying to convince herself, or what – -or maybe she thinks if she keeps repeating the same "snark" over and over and over she can make US believe it – - -NOT!!
I do it as a hobby. I do not get paid a cent.
Some visitor to this website might get confused and actually believe that he was born
someplace else other than in Hawaii to American parents and he has the OFFICIAL
Certification of Live Birth and it has been posted on factcheck and politifact. Two websites
with the word "fact" as their registered names which have been verified by THREE Republican
officials.
Besides it would had costed his parents $20,000 to fly to Kenya in 2011 dollars and they
would have had to get a passport, none of which he has.
Obama has never been POTUS: http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/17/there-is-n…
What Will Happen When All The Obamacare Goons Find Out The Truth?? Lets Check With Rev James Manning PhD Or Dr Alan Keyes Yikeess, This Long Legged Mack Daddy Will Never Admit That He Ever Had Anything To Do With This Eligibility Deal, Yikeess, God Bless America And Don Trump/Palin 2012.
You were doing good until you mentioned Trump & Palin. Trump would be almost as bad as Obama at governance and I think he has less chance of winning an election against Obama than McCain did. The candidate must be someone who can acquire the majority of the votes. If Democrats think they are losing, they manufacture votes. Have them in the trunks of their cars….just in case they are needed at the last minute. We are up against a corrupt RICO eligible organization. You can't put up a half a$$ candidate and expect to win.
This is for Ellen. You say there is no US visa or other travel documents for Obama. How do you explain his trip to Indonesia in the 80's? The only explanation is he used a foreign passport. If he used a foreign passport that proves he is not an American citizen. He would have needed a US passport to travel outside the country and as you have stated none has been found. As far as his birth cdertificate, no one has verified that they have seen the long form. The Governor of Hawaii said there were some notes but did not disclose what the notes said. A very famous person said, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." That person was the person you are defending. Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro.
He used a US passport.
Re: "The Governor of Hawaii said there were some notes but did not disclose what the notes said."
You are quoting WND. The governor of Hawaii did not say any such thing, and THREE Republican officials have repeatedly said that there is an original birth certficate in Obamas' file and that it verifies that he was born in Hawaii.
Ellen/James just how sick are you? Sorry your Messaih is nothing more than a fake! Get use to the fact!
There is "naturalized", which is foreign having gone through the immigration process. There is "native born" which means the child was born in the country's borders even though one or both parents are not citizens. And there is "Natural Born" which requires both parents be citizens, and the child is born on that nations properties. This applies to all nations, not just ours. Obama is a British citizen by the law of the time of his birth, as his father was a Kenyan subject to British possession. Regardless of where he was born, Obama does not fit the legal criteria.
Re: "there is "Natural Born" which requires both parents be citizens…"
Who told you that? It is wrong.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Lol! James you & your bott Ellen are working over time on this issue. I should add that both of you are doing poorly on this subject!
The government is on thin ice. High treason carries a penalty congress decides. Laugh today because there will be a congress established that will serve justice.
"Laugh today"
OK. Hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
But I suspect I'll be laughing at birthers for the rest of my life, as I share their fairy tales with my grandchildren.
Yes we may all be sharing the Barry life story with our Grandchildren and as usual his history will be both fictional and non-fictional and most will not knows who will be correct about all things Barry. I have noticed his pattern of lying during his campaign and his actions after entering the White House. He is what some would declare as following the President Bush Doctrine, but wavering to a level of not fully understanding the world and that some of the people of this world will not bow down and fall for his eloquent skills of reading. Some in this world want to kill or convert the whole world to medieval times when women were possession and no matter if it was true or not their manipulation of religion to brain wash the lemmings that follow them.
"because there will be a congress established that will serve justice"
Is that the part you are laughing at James?
That's certainly part of it–along with A_pen's version of "justice."
James i believe every one in fact are laughing at you! I often look to you to provide my daily dose of humor! In addition to being a clown you truly are mentally challenged.
Hey, Jimbo…how's it hangin'? A little to the left, I presume? If you can bend over just a little bit…could you please kiss my ass…pretty please?
Your cleverness is matched by your intellect and your courage. Keep carrying that birther flag high, Gangsta–you're making the whole tribe look good.
James you can not deny that you would get off by kissing Gangsta's ass!
James in time be assured we will all be laughing at you! Grandchildren? Just curious are they as ugly as you?
LOL and nobody has any illusions that people like you would instruct their children and grand children to be dishonest when something can be gained by it. That said, there will be an accounting and despite the threats from Obama's DHS and petty tyrants such as yourself there will be a return to the rule of law and it won't be politically driven.
A_pen – -And I'm praying that day is soon!
As I was taught in the 1950's, Natural Born means that both parents have to be American citizens. It's a birthright that is bestowed on the child by the parents. Obama's father was a British subject, and under British law, Barry inherited British citizenship from his father – that was his birthright.
If Barry inherited British citizenship from his father, how can he possibly be a Natural Born American citizen? Even if Barry was born in Hawaii as he claims, he could not be considered a Natural Born American citizen. He may be an American citizen, but he is not a Natural Born citizen as required by the Constitution.
Barry recently announced that he is running for reelection, and we should demand that he be removed from office now. There’s a petition that will send an email to your representatives for free. http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2349/petition-…
Re: "As I was taught in the 1950's, Natural Born means that both parents have to be American citizens. "
Who taught you that? It is wrong. Every US citizen born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen. The only kind of a US citizen who is not a Natural Born Citizen is a naturalized citizen.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Ellen/James! Go to bed! You have nothing of merit to contribute to this subject.
We had an opportunity a few years back to put a real black man, for those who consider the color of one's skin to be important, into the presidency and we blew it. That man, of course, was Dr. Alan Keyes whose knowledge, eloquence and faith would have made him a president of honor, something severely lacking in the American character of today.
Absolutely right, Richard! I stand in awe every time I hear Dr. Keyes speak. Talk about wasting a brilliant mind!!!!!
a 20,000 dollar in today's cost for that flight. is what she says. You can take a private plane for almost this much today. She is a plant from the Obamabots. That my guess and I shall now address her the same. But not until she goes on duty sometime around Wednesday.
So let it be written so let it be done Ellen shall from this moment on be" Ellen Obamabot"
She is not doing this for nothing and I can smell a plant when I read it.
I said twenty thousand for two, so ten thousand for one–and it is in 2011 dollars. The US dollar was about seven times as strong in 1961 as it is now, and a trip from Los Angeles to London (about 40% of the way to Kenya) would have cost around $700 in 1961, or $2,100 in 2011 dollars.
I am not getting paid a cent. I have to assume that iruel is not being paid either. But if iruel is, or I am, or both of us are, or both of us are not, the issue is still whether or not there are any facts showing that Obama was born outside of the USA (there aren't) and whether there are are reliable facts that he was born inside the USA, in Hawaii (and there are).
Ellen/James you have provided no proof! Just hot air & lies!
Here is the proof that Obama was born in Hawaii:
Here is a photocopy of Obama’s official birth certificate. Notice the seal on the back. Yes, it is on Factcheck’s site, but the idea that they could forge such a detailed document and the seal is laughable.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Here is confirmation that it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
The claim that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia can be disproved by anyone by simply calling the Indonesian Embassy in Washington, which will tell you that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.
Not a cent?
Does Scott Walker have to do anything with that?
Oh, before the whole Wisconsin deal (I think it was Oct. 23,2010) Philip J. Berg's
little rally had some democrat there claiming that Barry was also a union buster.
You better hit him up for a bailout.
Ellen/James you are such a fool! Seriously! Get a life!
Obama is not Article II constitutionally eligible to be the President and Commander of our military. Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen” to constitutional standards. Obama’s father was NOT a U.S. Citizen. Obama’s father was not an immigrant to the United States. Obama’s father was a foreign national, a British Subject. Obama is the child of an alien father who was sojourning in the U.S. attending college. Obama was born a British Subject via his father and is still such to this day. Obama has never conclusively proved he was born in Hawaii. Obama’s paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and newspapers in Kenya say he was born in Kenya. Obama’s maternal grandmother likely falsely and illegally registered him as born in Hawaii to get him, her new foreign-born grandson, U.S. Citizenship.
Obama has conclusively proven that he was born in Hawaii with the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the repeatedly confirmations of the officials in Hawaii and the notices in the newspapers and the absence of an application for a US visa or for a change to his mother's passport to include him in 1961. The APPLICTION for either document would still exist, if Obama actually were born in any other country than the USA–but no such document has been found.
It is true that Obama's father was not a US citizen. So what? It has absolutely no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. All US citizens who were born in the USA are Natural Born US citizens. The only kind of a US citizen who is not a Natural Born Citizen is a naturalized citizen.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Neither Obama's Kenyan grandmother nor any other relative ever said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii "where his father was studying at the time." And she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. Kenyan government officials and Kenyan newspapers are often wrong. Here is a reliable US newspaper, the Wall Street Journal:
"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
And, here is the Conservative National Review, the magazine that William Buckley founded:
“The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”
Obama's maternal grandmother could not have falsely registered Obama's birth because the Hawaii government demanded proof in the form of witness statements, usually from the doctor or midwife, whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital. And, in such cases, there was a delay of a month or more before the notice could be sent to the newspapers, but in Obama's case the notice in the newspapers was within ten days after the birth.
Ellen/James can not either of you come up with new responses? Just same old BS!
Why not discuss the facts? It is easy to say that the facts are old, but try to prove that they are untrue.
If not, the people who believe in the facts, and who may be visiting this site, will not believe the lie that Obama was born outside of the USA or the lie that it requires two US citizen parents to make a Natural Born US Citizen.
Your habdle says it all and you are the idiot here and no doubt a socialist democrat.
If anybody should wonder why so many are so reluctant to believe Barrack Obama is a legai POTUS they should refer to this small list of questions that won't go away until reasonable answers are provided the person who would be king.
1. Occidental College records — Not released 2. Columbia College records — Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper — "Not available" 4. Harvard College records — Not released 5. Selective Service Registration — Not released 6. Medical records — Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule — Not available 8. Your Illinois State Senate records — Not available 9. Law practice client list — Not released 10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released 11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released 12. Record of your baptism — Not available 13. Why your wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? (Insurance Fraud?) 14. Why your wife has 22 assistants, when other First Ladies had one? 15. Why were you getting "foreign student aid" as a college student? 16. Which countries "passport" did you have when you visited Pakistan in 1981? Oh and one more thing Mr.. President, I can't seem to find any articles you published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago.
Are you intentionally being dishonest, or are you just lazy? Most of those same records were never released for any president. Michelle Obama has roughly the same number of assistants as did Laura Bush. She voluntarily gave up her law licence, as is easy to check.
A little lazy? Yes, I did copy the list from an older email, dishonest? No. Michelle and Barack both voluntarily surrendered their law licenses days before they were called to formal hearing. That is a little harder to check as is was removed from the IL. Bar website or is no longer accessible to the public. And nobody, but nobody, ever voluntarily gives up their law license unless it is the lesser of the evils or to save themselves from the embarassment of having it taken away. And just what does roughly mean? 5, 7, 13, or 19? Let's just say Michelle has way more than could possibly be needed except to satisfy her extravagance. Further, none of this changes the fact that this guy has no answers for anything pertaining to himself. If these or any other questions of eligibility ever arose for any other past presidents I have no doubt whatsoever they would be jumping through hoops to quell public doubts or unrest. Don't you?
"And nobody, but nobody, ever voluntarily gives up their law license unless it is the lesser of the evils or to save themselves from the embarassment of having it taken away."
Actually it's common to have your license put on "inactive status" when you're not planning to practice law. I'm guessing you got your info from a birther site.
"And just what does roughly mean?"
Well, yyou said the count was 22-1. Even WorldNutsDaily has put it at 22-17. Laura Bush's own chief of staff, Anita McBride, said Laura had 24 to 26 staffers working for her at the end of her time in the White House.
So let's just say that Laura had way more than could possibly be needed except to satisfy her extravagance, shall we?
As for your last question, there are no answers that would satisfy birthers, and I wouldn't bother to try.
One word describes you James! LOSER!
Don't you see James, that's the whole problem – we have to try! If this guy is a phony, and I believe he is, we have to find out, it is our civil duty to the Constitution, our forefathers, every man or women who ever fought for this country, mine and your parents, our children, and every American who believes in all the patriotism we were taught in school and in the older, more honorable news and movie media. Remember for "peace, justice, and the American way"? I do, and I still believe in it. Hey, if this guy is legit so be it! I will eat my hat and words and apologise to all I may have be- smerched, even Ellen. But that stuff his people puked up and called proof is an insult to anyones intelligence. If it exists,(his long form BC) show it, why not? the director of records in Hawaii says she's seen it, then what's the big deal? We all have BC"s, real ones that we have to show in all so many instances, why is he any different? And don't try that COLB BS either, we all know that was a last minute stopgap measure that just plainly didn't fool anyone but Ellen. We the People, or at least my people, want to know.
Is this the James from Oklahoma? The ex from Linda, the woman that left you for me, then I kicked her back to you when I found out she was a nut case and so liberal it was sickening? Just wondering! Same name.
James you are such a liar! You know better! Not one thing that you quoted is factual & you know so! You are just a useless individual! What a liar you are!
Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress. Not one single Congressional investigating committee is starting investigations of Obama's birth or his Natural Born Citizen status. Obama's birth in Hawaii has been accepted by the Republican Speaker of the House and the Republican Majority leader, and by Huckabee, Guliani and Pawlenty. Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck call birthers crazy.
Ellen/James! A special place in hell awaits you! You need to seriously think of changing your ways while you can? But then again most communist are Atheist as well.
Hey, come on now. I'm an atheist and I'm no Obot Commie.
I also voted for Alan Keyes.
Religion or the lack of it doesn't make one a good person.
Only you can make yourself a good person.
… and a good person (or patriot) would not let any soldier go to the brig rather than show
such a simple document.
Ellen, they have been asking for you at the Chicken Ranch in Nevada. Say things just aren't the same without your services, cheap, boring, and not picky at all.
A profile in courage.. A man of outstanding character.. Why is not this man not our President..
Better than you! Jame's new alias! Get a life loser! Stop stealing my comments! Can you not find your own? You are so simple!
Obama is laughing all the way to his Swiss Bank Account!!!!
Nothing new here, move along nothing to see here
K I will get right on that, done got a good life thanks that took less than 1.65 seconds. Which reminds me of the 1.65 Trillion we had to barrow from a foreign county this year.
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Abercrombie never said that a long-form birth certificate may not exist in the files. Only WND and the Daily Mail have said that he said it (and neither interviewed him or had access to a transcript)> Abercrombie never said it, and TWO Republican officials have said that the original birth certificate is in the files and that it verifies that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
A total of three Republican officials, including the former Republican governor, have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii, and they were confirming the entry of the clerk, who thus makes four. And, when they did it, the attorney general of Hawaii was a conservative Republican, who could have taken action if there wre anything wrong with Obama's birth certificate, or if the officials were lying–and he did not do anything.
And there were notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers, and these were not ads. Hawaii newspapers did to accept birth notice ads in 1961. They took the notices from the government of Hawaii, which did not send it out for births outside of Hawaii, and it insisted on proof whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital. In such cases, it insisted on witness statements.
you people are really stupid
Who are you calling stupid? Huh?
It was already confirmed by THREE republicans and the OFFICIAL computer generated
Certificate of Live Birth is posted on factcheck and FOUR republicans can confirm that it
was in the newspaper if you count Linda Lingle, the ex-governor of Hawaii who happens
to be a republican.
Why not discuss the facts? It is easy to say that the facts are old, but try to prove that they are untrue.
If not, the people who believe in the facts, and who may be visiting this site, will not believe the lie that Obama was born outside of the USA or the lie that it requires two US citizen parents to make a Natural Born US Citizen.
It was in the newspaper. We can see that for ourselves. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi…
These notices were NOT ads, since the Hawaii newspapers at the time did not run short birth ads. They only took their notices from the Hawaii department of vital records. And those notices could not have been generated by a lie that a child was born at home when she or he actually was born outside of Hawaii. In such situations, Hawaii demanded witness statements.
So, we have the official birth certificate, the confirmations of the officials, the notices in the newspapers. And there is also the absence of any evidence that Obama was born in any other country than the USA. That is because no 1961 US visa or change to his mother's passport to include him has been found.
No I'm better than you.
Speaking of idiots. . .I believe you've put yourself into the catergory of 'useful idiot.' If you have any ideas on how to get our country back on track, I'd love to hear them. If you cannot add adult content to these comments and stop acting like a spoiled little child with your inane name-calling, do us all a favor and GFY!!
Because our govt has been infiltrated by the likes of Obamaites and his cronies — a/k/a Marxists, Commie lovers, Socialists, Progressives, Fascists, take your pick. Who, in the so-called Justice Dept. is going to go after Obama? I'll tell you who, nobody. They won't even go after the NBPP ruffians intimidating white voters. We have a Justice Dept. that is practicing reverse racism. We've been infiltrated and when and until Congress does it job and investigates these scumbags, we will be going ever futher down the toilet. God help us.