The evidence of Obama identity fraud is overwhelming and growing nearly everyday. For the educated this is breaking story just confirms what we have suspected all along. Let’s hope the uninformed start to listen.
Only idiots are not suspicious of why he spent millions to hide his birth certificate and college transcripts in the first place! As well as a questionable birth certificate which begins with 042. Mine begins with 042 and I was born in CT. I suppose he too was born in CT too?
You call people idiots and then immediately turn around and don’t seem to know the difference between a BIRTH CERTIFICATE and a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. Sheesh!
Your ploy is not working. Don’t know the difference? How weak is that.
It was a miss print! If you’re Conservative I’ll refrain from calling you idiot. And if you’re not Conservative then you too are an idiot. One of those idiots that need to point out minor mistakes?
You learn from the Alinsky school of deviation well, It matters not what is called what from this point on, we have proof that Obamas SSN is a fraud, now why would he need a fraudulent SSN number if is Birth cert was legit? WAKE UP! The jig is up, he has been caught, any further info is not needed, IMPEACH NOW! BTW I am sure wee can make a case for Bidens being in on all this, so BYE,BYE Biden as well
His birth certificate is legit, as the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have repeatedly confirmed, as has the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961.
And millions upon millions of people have errors in their SS numbers and multiple SS numbers caused mainly by data entry errors by SS Administration clerks. Who ever told you that they were always accurate??????
check out evidence of his kenya birth certificate:
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
Not one of those links mentioned anything about Obama’s SSN???????
Here is a prediction I am sure if I am right will make you happier than you thought you could ever be. In fact you will probably have an orgasim! When The SCOTUS hears Orly Taitz case, being that John Roberts will be the deciding vote the vote, will favor Obama. Because Roberts does not want to see one of his loved ones beheaded body in some alley. If a person cannot be bought or bribed they and/or their loved ones can be threatened!
BTW, You really believe there was no voter fraud?????
What they mention is that there are mistakes in SS numbers. LOTS of mistakes.
The Connecticut SS number was caused by one such mistake, a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Re: “When The SCOTUS hears Orly Taitz case…”
What gave you the totally nutty idea that the US Supreme Court is going to heara the Orly Taitz case???
It isn’t. All that it has done is to schedule an ordinary hearing on what cases to accept and what to reject, and Orly’s case is one of the forty or fifty that are on the list to be considered. That is all.
Re alleged threats. You are making them up. IF there really were threats, that would be evidence that Obama was illegal, and all that Roberts or anyone would have to do would be to go public with the threats, and there would be plenty of protection for him and his family and action taken against whomever threatened them. BUT you are simply making up the “threats.”
In fact, Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices all show. And the US Supreme Court has already ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen. And, Orly’s case, like 99.9% of all cases appealed to the US Supreme Court, is not likely to be taken either.
“Natural Born”, as defined for POTUS is reserved for persons whose parents (both) are US citizens at the time of their birth. There is no proof that Barrack Sr. ever obtained citizenship, and certainly not at the time that Barrack Jr. was born.
Re: “Natural Born”, as defined for POTUS is reserved for persons whose parents (both) are US citizens at the time of their birth.”
What gave you that nutty idea? The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. As noted above the US Supreme Court has already ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“The opposing case rests on a willfully idiosyncratic reading of an 1875 Supreme Court case called Minor v Happersett. In that ruling, the Court wrote, “…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinct from aliens of foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve those doubts.” In other words, Minor did not settle the question of who was and was not a natural-born citizen, as the plaintiffs claim it did, it deliberately left the question open (as does the constitution, which does not define the term). The Supreme Court has held and lower courts affirmed that natural-born citizen refers to anyone born in the United States.”—-http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
As the Wall Street Journal put it:
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning. As Chief Justice Morrison Waite noted in Minor v. Happersett (1874):
Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that “no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” and that Congress shall have power “to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.” Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.
No doubt some birther somewhere is fervidly developing “proof” that Obama hatched from an egg and thus is not a citizen. Where is the shell? “—-http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
Some recent rulings on the matter:
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: “While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: “The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case.”
You mention an Az ruling. Did they have the death certificate of the real Dad when she was @4 months pregnant and the marriage certificate to Obama Sr at 7 months pregnant and both in Toepka ks at Forbes air force base p=hospital for that hearing? All the records are in Toepka plus thee open murder cases, one of which is the Dad in a racial attack on both that could have killed all three. Linda Joy Adams Eye witness to circumstances of birth, etc. As for the ssn’s;s there has to be a think investigative file at SSA, but the corruption at the top is so bad right now, who knows what has happened. He was not told of his birth i Toepka ks and if he appeared at an SSA office at age 18 or later with that notice of birth from Hawaii, other words would have been requested and he would not have been able to get them unless he knew of Toepka ks as school records and 1970 census would have been in Indonesia and others would have been later. There is much out there about the Hawaii laxity and many have notices of birth and no long form, and if a pad of blanks had been stolen from a hospital, may have triggered a police investigation and the law getting changed there. Again, Sheriff Joe, is apparently not being informed of any of this by his staff. And Orly Taitz seems to not be paid to prove he was eligible , which the Ks records do. This is unconscionable what his immediate family did , and I;m sorry blew it in 1/71 and didn’t mention Toepka Ks to him. Sec of State Kris Kobach is key to all; this but can;t release anything without a court order or the president signs. I had o idea this birther movement was on going in 2008, as not on the Internet and i had other relatives an din aw running on the other ticket ad I just voted and didn’t participate otherwise, Then when this all surfaced again, I tried to get through to the birthers when two fires occurred in Toepka where some records may have been kept and now I can’t get trough the fund raisers. remember, ‘everyone’ knew as the gossip frenzy over the interracial couple go deadly and then when three ended up dead, no more talk and murderers have gone free for 50+ years. Going to Topeka is going to bring all this to light and needs to be done. I couldn’t get the Toepka Capital Journal to check their archives for the articles when the bodies washed up on the sand bar as the names were in it and the reporters could not get permission from Editor Quinn. I live elsewhere and have no way to get there and check and a few phone calls found no one talking. Westboro Baptist church and Fred Phelps are part of all this as Ann was sent there to live and go to Capper Jr HS and my mother and I went Ester Sunday Morning to get the gdnshp papers signed over from him and we discovered the name Dunham down instead of Pope and it wasn’t until Fall Of 1963, that my Aunt Helen Pope, his great grandmother, told us that my cousin Dan Pope had stole the id of Stanley Dunham to go to war when to young and the Ks authorities verified this trying to fin some paternal relatives to take over and my parents were called to help out and did. My Dad Rev Tracy Hardy, is Helen Hardy Pope’s brother. Hey were estranged from Dan and Marilyn ( not Madelyn) over ideology, and they blamed his wife for this and most of his fmaly had little contact over the ears. Finally 7/26/12 I began shaking my eyewitness account on line as one of the few of the older generations that is still alive and knows anything of what occurred My emails to white house and campaign may never have been shared with him so I blog and try to find others with direct eye witness knowedlge and very few are out there in all that is going on and millions have been made o this fake info. Even David Mariness admitted on Hardball after I went public that he had the leads to Toepka ks and din;t follow them and went with the President who said in 2004, he took what he;s been told and ‘wove a story.’ and was the wrong one. He should have known that his Dad gave up is life to save him, unborn, and was not in his life by choice.. Linda Joy Adams.
US v Wong only verified that being born on US soil qualifies as being a US citizen. This is never denied by all the discussions here. The true question here is whether is a “Natural-Born” citizen. Now the constitution CLEARLY distinguishes the condition of Natural Born Citizen as opposed to merely a Citizen. This cannot be denied. That phrase has been there since about year 1790. It’s not an obscure fact or secret. Forty-odd men have been elected and re-elected under that tutelage. And our laws usually propagate on the principal of precedent. So shall we now investigate whether all the presidents elected since that early date had parents that were US citizens around the time of birth of their son that “made it”. I have heard or seen NO scholarly attempt at this subject. Court decisions in the latest years are suspect of prejudicial bias in favor of “Barry”, so said very recent decisions that ordinary “citizen” is “good enough” or qualifies (wink, wink) as being natural-born have any merit at all in this argument. I think they have no merit. Barry is not a natural-born citizen. He’s a fraud that needs to be thrown out of office and his works proscribed.
Just a suggestion. Best to ignore Ellen. Otherwise you are wasting your time. All she does is copy and paste the same BS over and over no matter what question you ask or comment you post.
Real dad was USA citizen. May have been born at Germany USa base hospital, but no issue here. Have to check his records. and I; think hi death dertificate is on line, but an;t affor to pay for more detailed serach engine. why I wasted a year trying to get those raising money to go after the records out of Topeka ks
I was born in New York as were both my brother and both of my sister’s all with the same “zipe code. Our SSN di not match up with the beginning number whatsoever. That said, here’s the terue point on O(bama’s SSN. The person it was assigned to was born in 1890. He died in Hawaii in 1961. There were never any benifit’s paid out to this mana nd also no official ‘death certificate filed with the Dept of SS. Obama’s Grandmother worked in public records at the time and had access to these document’s, she borroed it for her grandson and no one was the wiser. The Obama birth Certificates offered for public viewing have been proven to be multi layered forgeries created on a computer. In case your a little slow here. They didn’t have a lot of Computer’s around at that time and they used machine code or binary codeto create punchcards. Hawaii was well known for issuing Birth ceertificates to babies brought into the country at that time. So now Obama had 2 “official birth certificates”. The Govenor who vouched for Obama being born there has now retreated on that statement and now says “no such document exist’s”. there is however a Birth certificate in Mumbasa Kenya with his birth recorded on it. now to another Obama “Truthism” He said something to the effect of ‘a person who will not produce public records must have something to hide’ At the time he was reffering to Romney’s refusal to release an unprecidented 10 yrs of tax returns. All this while he is paying out millions to keep his college transcript’s sealed. So now show me where Obama is defendable as a valid U.S.Citizen born of 2 natural Citizen’s please and i will then bow to your king Obama
Re: “US v Wong only verified that being born on US soil qualifies as being a US citizen.’
Answer: Who told you that? It is wrong. Here are the actual words of the Wong Kim Ark ruling:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
The above quotation quite clearly says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is Natural Born.
Re: “The Obama birth Certificates offered for public viewing have been proven to be multi layered forgeries created on a computer. In case your a little slow here. They didn’t have a lot of Computer’s around at that time.’
Answer: Well, duh. Obama’s short form birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, was created on a computer. That is because it is SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED ON A COMPUTER. It is not an old document, it is a modern document created in Obama’s case in 2007. It is done by a clerk looking into the file and seeing the original document and entering the facts from it onto a computer form which generates the short-form birth certificate. (That means of course, that there has to be a document in the files.) The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the Certification of Live Birth to Obama and that the facts on it are the same as on the document in the files. The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
HOWEVER, Obama’s long-form birth certificate is NOT a computer creation. It is a photocopy onto security paper of the original BC in the files and with the contemporary seal and signature of the current official. The web IMAGE of the long form is a computer image and probably to some extent enhanced, but the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that all the facts on it are exactly the same as on the one in the files. Obama has shown both the web image of that document, to the public, and the actual physical copies of it to the press (and the same with the short form). ONLY birther “experts” have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by such conservative leaders as Ann Coulter and the National Review, nor by Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. And the birther sites that claim that the BC is forged have not shown you the numerous experts who say that it is NOT forged.
Re: “he Govenor who vouched for Obama being born there has now retreated on that statement and now says “no such document exist’s”
Answer: That claim was made up by birther sites. Abernathy never said any such thing, and three Republican and several Democrat officials have repeatedly certified in writing that it DOES exist and that it says that Obama was born in Hawaii, and that the facts on it MATCH the facts on the image of the long-form birth certificate that the White House published.
Re: “here is however a Birth certificate in Mumbasa Kenya with his birth recorded on it.”
Answer: The “born in Kenya” story is the nuttiest of birther tales. The “birth certificate” you are referring to was shown by Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, one of whose crimes was forgery, and he claimed that he got it in Kenya—but has constantly refused to show any evidence that he went to Kenya. And only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government said that it investigated, and that Obama was not one of them.
Re: ” So now show me where Obama is defendable as a valid U.S.Citizen born of 2 natural Citizen’s …”
Answer. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen does not refer to the citizenship of the parents, not two parents and not even one. It comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, and Obama was born in Hawaii.
No person of DUAL citizenship is eligible to be POTUS. Obama SR was a British citizen and his mother was a U.S. Citizen–by his own admission. Therefore, he is inelibgible PERIOD!
OBAMA SR NOT THE DAD, DAD MURDERED.
Re: “No person of DUAL citizenship is eligible to be POTUS.”
Who told you that? It is wrong. In fact, James Madison was a dual citizen when he was president, having been made a full voting citizen of France by the French National Assembly. Woodrow Wilson was a dual citizen of the USA and Britain at his birth since although his mother became a US citizen on marrying his father she never renounced her British citizen status and so Woodrow inherited her British nationality at birth.
There is no mention of dual citizenship affecting Natural Born status either in the common law or in the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court ruling which ruled that EVERY child born in the USA, regardless of the citizenship of the parents and regardless of dual nationality (or triple nationality if that is possible) is a Natural Born US Citizen.
And, if dual citizenship could affect Natural Born Citizen status, and fortunately, it cannot, a foreign country could just pass a law making someone a citizen of that country and hence making her or him not eligible.
Mexico could pass a law saying that anyone born in, Texas, were also Mexican citizens at birth. So, IF dual citizenship made those children not Natural Born Citizens, then all those children born in Texas would not be eligible. We cannot, and in fact, do not allow foreign citizenship laws to affect either our citizenship laws or our rule on Natural Born status.
In any case dual citizenship has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status, and if the writers of the Constitution had wanted to have dual citizens barred, or for that matter the US-born children of foreign parents barred, they would have told us.
All this discussion about natural born is irrelivant since both parents were US citizens and as I recall ther real Dad may have born ina miltiary hospital in Germany. Both were cildren of military pesonnel and why Pres Obama was born At forbes Air Foce Base Hospital. Real aname of Dad neer in news, but if you check the Toepka Hournal form 50+ yera ago when the bodes washed up on he sand ba in The kansas river after the racial attattk on both, wth noinvestigiation for 50+ yearsabd civer up which cased the fake paper trial put in place. Obama sr was ammarige , In Toepka Ks arranged by my Ad for conveneince of both when she was 7 onths pregnant. Rebuts the resumption of the husband alwys being the father. They neer lived together. we need to focus on the real issues here, It was common knowedlge who the Daddy was at the time as the gossip renzy turned deadly and silence for 50+ years, but people do emember and they dont; want to know, and that is not good spiritally, for one can;t overcome evil if one does not face it. And some evil things occurred during the civil rights movement before some federal laws were passed.
Ok so it was a mistake. Why is he still using the SSN not issued to him? It stands to reason he should be using the one issued to HIM!!! I am sure any one finding out they had mutiple SSN’s they would ask which one was issued to them and would use the correct one.
Re: “Ok so it was a mistake. Why is he still using the SSN not issued to him? ”
Answer. He isn’t. When is SS number was published, he had it cancelled and got a new one, as the E-Verify search showed. They searched for his old SS number, the one that had been published, and it did not exist because it was cancelled. So he is no longer using the old one; he is using a new one.
RE: your entire premise.
You choose to ignore the steadly growing evidence that this “president” is not legally able to occupy the oval office. Perhaps the work done by Sheriff Arpio in Arizona is all wrong and somehow illegal. perhaps the studies done by document examiners showing the posted Birth certificate to be a fraud is all hype. The evidence is all there. It’s being ignored. You live in a fantasy that is a nightmare to the rest of us. This man hung out, was supported by, and asisted KNOWN terrorists of the ’60s. His pastor makes Minister Farekan look warm and fuzzy. He hides ALL of his records, something no other President has ever done. He has spent in excess of $4,000,000 in that effort.Your willingness to ignore what is happening is a sad comment on your own ability to function on your own. I know you don’t understand that last statement, no liberal does, but when all this comes to a head, and rule of law prevails, YOUR president will be in prison along with his accomplices. Rant away, I have little time for willing fools.
Ellen, that data error should be very easy to check out. Look up the social security number with the Hawaiian zip code. I am sure that you will find that the social security number is STILL that of a citizen born in 1890 as they are not recycled. Try changing the SS # with the Hawaiian zip code. Cannot be done.
SS numbers are not recycled now, but were they always???? In any case, there have been millions of data entry errors in the SS administration, and the CT SS number was caused by a data entry error—and it is not possible for you to prove that Obama’s CT number (Bounel’s) was caused by anything other than a data entry error, and the similarity of the two zip codes, which generated the ss number, indicates that it was a data entry error. Got anything else?
OBAMA’S ZIP CODE IN HAWAII WAS NOT 96814! THAT IS A LIE USED BY OBOTS AS AN EXCUSE FOR OBAMA HAVING A CONNECTICUT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Obama’s 1980 Selective Service registration and Ancestry.com confirm that Obama’s zipcode at 1617 S. Beretania in Honolulu was 96826……..
Records at Ancestry.com confirm that the zip code was 96826…………
U.S. Public Records Index U.S. Public Records Index
Name: Stanley A Dunham
Address: 1617 S Beretania #1008, Honolulu, Hawaii 96826-0301 (1987)
96826 was the zip code at that address in 1980 and it still is…….
Zip code is irrelevant as at the time ssn issued the first three numbers were the office that took in the app. until later years the cards were actually typed i=up in the local offices after verified through Baltimore where many clerks double checked to make sure no one had the number, etc. This could never have legally happened inside SSA. . Please forget the zip code, its irrelevant at time the San issued, had nothing to do with anything except original owner applied in CT. When he didn’t know where he was born, he was not able to produce anything but a notice of birth in Hawaii and due to the problems on those records, SSA would have asked for something else, and his school records etc weren’t; going to be helpful even the 1970 census was when he was in Indonesia, etc. so he was floundering, How could ones immediate family do this to someone? What was the fear still in 1979 or later? How, not the first time in this extended family, but in this case, they were not very smart about it and a new era had come in where ones records had to be in order.
Because that is wrong. The University of Washington classes did not start in August. They started in late September. LATE September.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by:
(1) his Hawaii birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip to a foreign country when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Nevertheless, Obama was born in Hawaii, and he has a Hawaii birth certificate, confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii that confirms it.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by (1) his birth certificate, short form and long form, which he showed both the images of and the actual physical copies to the press; (2) the confirmation that Obama’s birth certificate exists and that it was sent to Obama and that it says that he was born in Hawaii by the officials of BOTH parties including the former Republican governor; (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to that section of the papers, the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only did for births IN Hawaii; (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. There are multiple links to citations of these facts; would you like to see them again?
yes please do Ellen and this time make sure they are verifiable please
Here is SOME proof;
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
I know of no one with multiple social security numbers! Only those connected with stolen identity and fraud are associated. What does that tell you?
Re: “I know of no one with multiple social security numbers! ‘
Have you looked into your own SS file? I did, and I had three, and I only applied once, and I only used one. And there are millions upon millions of people who have errors in their SS numbers caused MAINLY by data entry errors.
You might well ask why, if there is evidence that Obama has multiple SS numbers and that one of them came from Connecticut that NO committee in Congress wants to investigate? Why not?
Because it is not illegal to have mistakes in your SS files, and lots of people do.
Ellen I have looked into my SSN and I have ONEJUST ONE like everyone else I know. Mine is even on my Dogtags from military service. The sources you use to “qiote are cbs nwsa better known as The Communist Broadcasting Company. Please look beyond the left leaning MSM for your information instead of being led around by the nose like a good little sheeple
If you see and read her posts you will see 99.9% are copied, pasted and repeated over and over. She only copies what corresponds with how and what she believes. Nothing else. Best to ignore her and not waste your time!
Well, good for you. You have only one SS number in your file. You were lucky and did not get any data entry errors. Others have not been so lucky. MILLIONS of people have multiple SS numbers and errors in their SS numbers, caused mainly by data entry errors. (What gave you the impression that the clerks who entered the data in the SS Administration are perfect?)
I worked in data entry for 30 years beginning in 1961. Everything that was entered by a data entry machine (024 or 026) was then verified by another person on a verifiing machine. So the chances are very slim that there were that many errors. It just didn’t work like that. Granted no one is perfect but the number of errors occuring when someone else in verifing you work is slim and none.
What I’d like to see is his Selective Service registration and the date on it. If he was a US citizen, he was required, by law, to register when he turned 18. Makes NO difference if in the country or not. That’s what embassies and consulates are far.
No president or presidential candidate has ever shown his Selective Service registration, and Romney and McCain and Bush certainly did not do so.
That’s a lot of bull and or Omana-ese. Social Security numbers are specific from state to state. Since it was reported Obama attained that number in 1977, what was his number before then? You gonna say he didn’t have one until he was 16??? Utter nonsense! He is a fraud and has used at least 22 different SS #’s under almost as many aliases.
He did not have a number before he got his SS number, which was when he got his first job, which was in 1977. Millions of people have multiple SS numbers caused mainly by data entry errors.
Ellen – First and foremost, please stop spamming with your replies. Next, you are wrong about Obama’s Social Security number as someone else pointed out to you. The zip code for the address that he lived at in Hawaii was not 1 number different than the Connecticut number he was illegally using. Third, he’s now using a DIFFERENT number all together. One that is different from when he was a Senator and different than when he was a kid. Also, you posting the link from ID Analytic and then 2 links that just regurgitate ID Analytic’s information is not 3 independent sources confirming your story. It’s one source being regurgitated by 2 others.
To the people saying that the Zip Code doesn’t matter, yes it does and it has mattered since the early 70′s when the SSNs were assigned according to the Zip Code on the RETURN ENVELOPE that you provided when you applied for an SSN.
Ellen, you clearly haven’t been keeping up to date on the situation with Obama’s Birth Certificate. The Hawaii State officials, when served with Warrants and Supeonas by Sheriff Joe Arpaio have since back-tracked on their statements about the validity of the forms that Obama showed. And more than a few experts have come out and said that the documents provided by the Obama Administration were forgeries. Excellent ones, but forgeries none the less.
The suit by Orly Taitz is going to the Supreme Court to determine whether or not it’s heard by the full court. That session is set to occur on February 15th. The fact that she will be going before 3 of the 9 judges at that point to determine whether or not it merits the attention of the Full SCOTUS is more than most of the 10K you mentioned get.
It is illegal for you to use more than ONE SSN. You ask why no Committee in Congress Chose to investigate? Well, how about the fact that when Obama ran for office the first time, the Dems had control of both the House and the Senate. So they ignored anything that would have harmed their poster boy.
Now the SSA does mention that some people have multiple SSA, but they don’t admit it’s from a Data Entry Error. They admit it’s from applicant error.
And Contrary to the links you provided, most of the time if there are numerous people using the same SSN, it’s because that SSN was stolen and is being used Fraudulently. As was the case of the woman from Dublin, CA who had 81 different people using her SSN. And one of the biggest group of perpetrators for illegally using SSNs are Illegal Immigrants. You know, the people that the Great State of California and Illinois allow to get driver’s licenses. States that are going broke because of the strain that those people put on the infrastructure of this country..
Do yourself a favor and just stop spamming. We get it. You love Obama and his lies. I’m sure you think that Obamacare is the best thing since slices bread and that the “Fiscal Cliff Deal” was a result of Republican stubbornness and not Obama over-spending.
Is it true that Obama has used as many as 17 different SS#s. Wonder what his first SS# was?
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers in their files caused mainly by data entry errors:
Because it is not illegal to have mistakes in your SS files, and lots of people do. Republicans would be GLAD to hold a hearing to show that there was a crime involved with Obama’s SS number. But they KNOW that there is no evidence, and if they looked into their own files (I did to mine), they are likely to find multiple numbers in them.
And what is the excuse for Obama having 17 SS#s?
First, it is not 17—that is a birther myth. There is at least one error, the CT SS number, and that is accounted for by the millions of data entry errors in the Social Security files.
You might well ask why, if there is evidence that Obama has multiple SS numbers and that one of them came from Connecticut that NO committee in Congress wants to investigate? The answer is that they know that there is no way of proving that the error in his SS number or multiple SS numbers is anything more than errors caused by bad data entry.
U must work for Obama. Everyone of these I read u are posting these ridiculous links stating his birth certificate is real. you just continue to amaze me at how stupid you are.
Nice try to spin things. However only one problem. The 0 and 9 are not in a position on any input device that would make such an error likely. Would be very difficult to accidentally replace one with the other.
…and it just happend to happen to ‘poor little obama.’ No one else. Just him. He has used that number for many things. He is paying to have his records hidden. Poor little Obama. Everyone is picking on him. Everyone is crazy but ‘poor little obama, er….Harry Bounnel.
Get your azz real, girl.
everyone knows Obama is as fake as a wooden nickel he was planted a cut out a useful idiot he is not American in the sense that you and I are American, speaking of natural born citizens. the media elected this guy just shows you where they stand on issues and loyalty to country, they don’t. this guy should have been vetted a lot better than he was which was next to zero.what a bunch of empty headed idiots we have from politicians to the media to the low low iq voters.
No IMPEACHMENT shall suffice for to impeach the fraud it would first be necessary to acknowledge his legitimate, legal occupation of the presidency which is not now and has never been the case. “Crazy” Joe Biden is an accomplice in the crime. It would make no sense to replace one criminal with another.
Since Mr. Obama fraudulently represented himself as constitutionally eligible to be president when he ran–both times–then he is not now and has never been president. He was in the commission of a crime when he was twice illegally elected. The fraud should be taken into custody, and since he also usurped the military rank of commander-in-chief, he should face a military tribunal and face either a firing squad or the gallows for having criminally usurped the office of the presidency, the most horrendous crime against the American experiment in ‘government of the People’ in our nation’s history. All those complicit in Mr. Obama’s crimes must be brought to justice if liberty is to be preserved.
Absolutely correct. My problem is this : Why is there no one who is prepared to start the ball rolling? why is everyone afraid? Why will the true American Military who serves WE THE PEOPLE not arrest, frogmarch and hold a tribunal all within 48 hours>? Answer me someone……
They will continue to commit thes crimes against us and the Constitution until we act and force Congres to start articals of impeachment . Both elections have been proven to be fraudulant , His social security belongs to a guy that lived almost a century ago, he traveled under a foreign passport , How much is theis country supose to take , The once proud United States of America is now the laughing stock of the rest of the world. WQe need someone in Congress or a member of the Supreme Court to reach down and find they actually have a pair and do the right thing and that is uphold there oath of office. Every ex-serviceman I know would honor the oath we took when we enlisted or was drafted , almost the same oath , unfortunatly we sometimes had to die following ours , while polititions seem to feal the oath is just a “thing” they have to do to get that cushey job where they get paid for life for doing nothing but signing “bills” most never bother to even read and we the people who put our lives on the line for this country struggle to get by. Impeach this phoney now !!
A sitting President, real or imagined, cannot be prosecuted. He must be removed from office first. The House has the constitutional duty to inpeach a President (or any other federally elected official). They decide if there is any or enough eveidence to do do so. Once impeached successfully, the trial phase is the responsibility of the Senate. Anyone who lived through Watergate, might remember how lengthy that process is. Although it could be watched on TV then. Now, the MSM would do all they could to ignore, downplay, and outright play against any trial. The military, while sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution, is NOT the instigator of Impeachment. Unless they receive orders to the contrary, or are blatantly ordered to act upon American citizens, they will not do a thing. This has been drilled into the fabric of our military training since day 1. SCOTUS would never act unless an actual case was brought before them for deliberation. They only approve 100 cases out of about 10k sent to them for actual trial before SCOTUS. The rest are sent to lesser federal courts. So far, the lower courts have successfully avoided trying any eligibility cases, sometime by the lamest means imaginable. Like the lates FL Supreme Court who actually used a make-believe judge’s decision from the movie “Miracle on 34th Street” to dismiss the case before him. I swear this actually happened. No legal precedent or basis was used at all. I think we can rest assured that our judicial is severely compromised, if not outright corrupted. We can not look to them for justice on this matter…or many others. We all know that the current House is, with an impotent and corrupted GOP in the majority, and totally corrupt Democrat minority, as well as a Democrat Senate will NEVER uphold their oaths to us. They are only concerned with their careers, pensions, benefits, and whatever else they can squeeze out of the job, including bribes from special-interest lobbies. There have very recently been a few threats of impeachment from a couple of mouths in Congress if Obama used an executive order to bypass congress in order to infringe upon the 2nd amendment. He used TWENTY-THREE of them! He openly and loudly MOCKED both Congress and the Constitution, as he often does. He LIED to their/ our faces while doing so…as he often does. Yet, no impeachment articles have been submitted, They were ALL bark and no bite….as usual. I’m not impressed. We see on varios blogs and threads “Why doesn’t the GOP go after him? After all, that’s “our” party, right?” No, the GOP hasn’t been “our” party in years. They only need our votes to continue their careers. They surrendered to the DEMs years ago, and only go through the motions of pretending to be a seperate party. They certainly haven’t been conservative in a very long time. They are now dysfuntional, impotent, and worthless. All these so-called experts and consultants say the Tea Party movement should move a bit to the left and pick up all the disenfranchised Republicans and become an actual political party. I say to them, SCREW moving to the left. That’s what killed off the GOP dumbass! I do however favor a new, conservative, constitutionalist party. The Republican’s days are over. Just having an R after a name on a ballot could now be a bad thing to actual conservatives. They failed us and they failed the party. And they intend to continue doing just that. They don’t believe in the rules any more than the DEMs. Just look at the voter fraud they perpetrated aginst the Libertarians in the last primaries, and how they kept Ron Paul out of the RNC. (NO, I’m not a Libertarian). Look at how they used the Tea Party to do their grassroots work and garner support for the GOP, only to turn them away at the RNC. Look how they refused to support TP Republicans needing help in their fight to gain or retain seats. Alan West is a good example, as is Michelle Bachman. Both faced MASSIVELY Dem-financed opponents. Both were left to hang. Kinda like Obama left Americans out to hang in Benghazi. I would love nothing better than for just ONE brave and honorable soul in the House to actually keep his word and begin impeachment proceedings. Alas, I don’t see it happening. No, this will come down to too many angry citizens who simply won’t take this sh*t anymore. It will get very ugly at that point.
FP, A “sitting” President is ONE thing but a SQUATTING President is ANOTHER matter, my friend!
Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii shows,and as further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. And the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
My point is that Obama is not a sitting president–he is a criminal in the commission of a crime. America is in the midst of a constitutional crisis–we have no legal sitting president, only an enemy agent of Islam illegally occupying the Oval Office. It may soon be time to take up the arms which we have the God given right to keep and bear and use to preserve ‘government of the people.’
If and when he is impeached, all his appointees and zarzs and laws shall be nullified.
Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show. And the US Supreme Court really did rule in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
I agree with your premise and as you so aptly stated we have no President, we have a Muslim impostor who bypasses Congress with abandon, committing treason and sedition with regularity. The election was stolen in full view through massive voter fraud and massive fraudulent foreign campaign donations! No one has ever received 124%, 121% 109%, 104%, 102%, 100%of the vote in so many precincts that didn’t require photo ID in history. Not Saddam Hussein, not Castro, not Chavez………..ever. Yet not a whimper from the GOP! The military ballots were purposely sent out too late to arrive back in time for the election, 700,000 to 800,000 of them!
Barry is actively aiding and abetting the Muslim Brotherhood, while surrounding himself with them, funding them and Al Qaida to the detriment of Middle Easy stability and the safety of our troops in theater! Implementing the overthrow of Libya and Egypt and doing the same in Syria. It’s called Sedition!
These are the greatest crimes in American history and our Congress, Judiciary and General Staff are complicit in this coup. The nation is in financial ruin and what does Congress do? They fund the criminal usurper’s opulent lifestyle to the tune of 1.54 billion per year and hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil, while the evil White House occupant sends hundreds of millions of our hard earned money to our enemies along with millions of pounds of sophisticated weaponry. In the meantime there are 35 Muslim terrorist training camps in America, numerous Iranian sleeper cells awaiting the call and American patriots are terrorists. So I ask, when is enough, enough?
The Constitution and the Declaration gives the people the absolute right to remove all of these traitors and demand the secret service stand and order ‘our’ military and our sheriffs and we the people, to recapture our Republic!
Dream on. Orly had a protest meeting at the Inauguration ceremony. About three people showed up.
In fact, Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show. And the US Supreme Court really did rule in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
“A sitting President, real or imagined, cannot be prosecuted. He must be removed from office first.”
This is a law we must get changed. To me, what it says is that a sitting president can commit murder (there are rumors he was involved in a few) and not get prosecuted. Any president should be subject to the same laws as the people. It’s just common sense. Another law that needs changed is that no one person should have the power to just force his will on the people. That is just pure dictatorship. If a president can’t be prosecuted until he leaves office, then time for the removal process to begin and swiftly. Don’t know about anyone else, but I’m sick and tired of idiots and illegals sitting in the oval office.
Did anyone see where his 2nd inauguration is a lot smaller than last time? This doesn’t sound like a president who just won re-election. Sounds more like buyers remorse. However, those who bother to do their research know that he won by fraudulent means – machines picking him when the voter picked someone else. All voting should have been brought to a standstill when it was noticed and there is plenty of documented evidence that PROVES this election was fraudulent. Yet nothing is done to rectify the problem. Law enforcement is complicit as well.
Time to get a big broom and start sweeping out the white house trash and the trash that litters our CONgress.
Yes his second Inauguration had fewer people attending than the first one, so did George W. Bush’s second Inauguration.
Obama IS subject to the same laws as the rest of the people.
Because the Federal police agencies, DHS and FBI etc, the military, and the entire Democrat, Progressive, Socialist Party and a heckuva chunk of the Neo-Rebublican Party are IN ON THE FIX.
Obama isn’t doing this all by himself. He has Muslim aid from across the board and every Globalist/Communist in the world. The Anti-US UN panders to him.
Does that answer your question?
Greed and malicious evil run the show in DC and our “mighty men” are afraid to act.
They WILL, however, show up on payday to collect their FAT Federal pay and benefits……
Scum that they are.
If a politician cannot be bribed or bought he or his loved ones can be threatened. Why else have many changed their minds or Party.
Jan. 21, 2013 will be a very sad day for me. Because we have the Chief Justice, John Roberts, who will swear in a man who has not been vetted, has not had a background check, ineligibile, unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, bi-sexual, foreign national, Muslim who violated the war powers act, immigration law, refused to enforce existing law, used the EPA to usurp power over Congress, decided HE and not the Supreme Court would decide on the Constitutionality of existing law, abused the recess appointment process, set up a shadow cabinet of unvetted czars, declared over 900 executive orders, some that have set up a framework for a dictatorship, and has publicly flaunted his power in declaring he will continue to go around Congress as he sees fit, sending planes and tanks to Israelâ€™s enemies, dislikes Jews and Christians and is against everything we stand for. I do not understand how Chief Justice John Roberts can allow this unless his loved ones have been threatened. I have a feeling Obama will be sworn in in private so he can put his hand on the Quran.
He also has members of the Muslim Brotherhood working right in our Homeland Security. How safe is that? Can you imagine the stuff they have access to that puts us all in jeopardy?
IT’S NOT A MATTER of people being “afraid” but a matter jurisdictional authority! ~ The U.S. Justice Dept, which the FBI comes under, has the authority to take into custody and prosecute federal criminals. When there is a federal warrant out for a person, any law enforcement agency can make the arrest but it is only FOR an agency of the U.S. Justice Dept, which will send federal Marshals to take custody of that person(s).
Seeing that Obama is not a Constitutionally legal POTUS, he is actually ineligible to be “impeached” but COULD be taken into custody by the FBI, but FBI Director Robert Mueller works FOR Eric Holder!
Seeing that Eric Holder was “appointed” by Obama, who is not a Constitutionally legal president, thus making Eric Holder a faux U.S. Attorney General, the fact of the matter is that Holder is in a position to BLOCK any attempts to remove his “boss” from office!
Furthermore, any attempts to “impeach” Obama will be an act of futility with Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader!
As for our military, they are under the control of the U.S. Military Joint Chiefs of Staff, and it is MY OPINION that these people made their ranks and gained their positions over the three past Administrations prior to the current atrocity. ~ Keep in mind that it was George H.W. Bush who first publicly spoke enthusiastically of “a New World Order, with a thousand points of light”! Bill Clinton and Bush Jr undoubtedly are globalists who, in my opinion, cleared the path for Obama to usurp the Presidency through their appointments, especially regarding federal judges!
Years ago, I read a line from Illuminati literature that stated: “By the time the people find out what we are doing, we will have everything in place to bring about our New World Order” ….NOW, it is easy to understand what they meant!
Bottom Line: As long as the U.S Justice Dept is under the “control” of Eric Holder; our military controlled by the current Military Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Congress is blocked by Harry Reed….Obama is an UNTOUCHABLE!
THE ONLY REMEDY is with THE SOVEREIGN STATES employing their Tenth Amendment rights of nullification and following the guidelines of our U.S. Declaration of Independence!!!
You have really made it all very clear sir. Hold on and PRAY!
People have tried to get the ball rolling. But Soros&Co. have bought county clerks and judges.
How di this person get his SS#
Some of us have been trying to tell our congressmen and senators that he is a fraud and using the SS# of this man who was born in 1890 in Connecticut but no one would listen.
Fox News has turned out to be a giant disappointment. It’s all mush now. Our country is gone and all branches of the spy agencies are mostly american born KGB and worse. There is no one in all military branches, congress, senate etc. who will even read enough to know what we the public knows by now. It’s hard to fathom how young skulls of mush join the elite military force’s and go to the mid east to die for their so called country and yet their real enemy hands down is our own gangsterment from A to Z. The baby boomers were handed the best country ever and they just let the criminals and parasites in the government steal elections, tax payer money and more.
I agree with what you are saying, but who is willing to bring him to justice. I hear a lot of talk, but no action. I think evil walks among us and keeps all at bay, protecting him and those like him.
We need our military to come home and rise
We have a Republican Party who are absolutely complicit in these acts of Treason …. Marco Rubio wants to be a front Runner in 2016 , Problem is , Rubio too is ineligible as both his Parents were Cuban Citizens when he was born. They will not Challenge Owebama and the Dems will never call out Rubio as being ineligible as that would surely backfire ( one would think anyhow ) AND REVEAL Barry’s Sordid and enigmatic past… The Republicans are Guilty of treason by turning a blind eye to Sheriff Joe as if he is some sort of Crock ……… I say we dismantle the GOP and throw them to the Dust Bin of history , Alongside the Whigs…… They are all in severe violation of their sworn ooaths , and each and every one of them need to be held accountable for their actions ( Or in this case In-Actions ) …. Pathetic , THE GOP is just as Treasonous as the DemoKKKrats !
Someone needs to get ahold of Holder it sounds like
This sounds like the right avenue to me.
We need to clean out the whole congress. Allen West identified 80 members of congress to be communist
Ellen, your blithe ignorance is simply breathtaking.
I post the facts for the benefit of any rational person visiting this site who may seek the facts.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it. And his birth in Hawaii is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH could send notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii).
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere. But you have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama’s two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them. (The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net/?p=541)
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)—-that Obama was born in Hawaii—by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii—-and only the DOH could send those notices. (Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found. (A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him—and that is hardly likely at all.
The claim that Obama’s father is Davis has as many facts to back it up as my claim that Mitt Romney’s real father was Harpo Marx. However, if Obama’s real father were Davis, or MItt Romney’s real father was a Marx brother, it would have absolutely no effect on either of their eligibilities—and it certainly does not affect the US presidential election held on November 6, which Obama won with 65 million votes, more than 4.7 million more than Mitt Romney, and with 332 Electoral Votes to Romney’s 206.
Can you post the link showing the simularities between Mitt Romney and Harpo Marx facial features?
Re: “Can you post the link showing the simularities between Mitt Romney and Harpo Marx facial features?”
It is easy to see an image of Romney under Google Images and to do the same for Harpo.
Harpo in profile:
Mitt in profile:
As has been stated a number of times, for those who obviously don’t understand the requirements for impeachment, you must be constitutionally eligible to be impeached………..Barry isn’t, never was! Arrest, incarceration and the gallows are the remedies for this miserable POS. As far as the troll Ellen goes, the fact that she or it has not been banned from this site, tells us all we need to know about Western Journalism. She is hear strictly as a repetitive provocateur, constantly reposting the same baseless leftist drivel. She or it is a prime example of Einstein’s definition of insanity. I would ask that this addled protohuman be eliminated from further posting it’s comments on this conservative blog. I’m sure the Huff Post would not mind the drivel as it furthers their cause but I believe even they would get sick and tired of the constant reposting of fraudulent data! I have a feeling this troll may have first come in contact with Barry at Man’s Country in Chicago when he and Rahm were members and that she is really a he. Ever wonder why Barry is always pushing for the homosexual agenda and same sex marriage……………News flash……..he is one of them! I’m asking the administrators to band this Ellen creature for endless abusive repetitive posts! She is aiding and abetting the greatest scandal and crime in our nation’s history!
One of my greatest wishes is for Obama to be convicted for his crimes, his birth certificate, the Libya attack on our Ambassador and two seals killed, the massive voter fraud for two elections, and the five other killings under his watch that he had a hand in. It seems that Obama has gotten away with more than anyone I’ve known of. Will justice ever be served, I hope so.
Don’t hold your breath for justice to be served. It’s NOT going to happen, here’s why: Obama was never vetted, to many people knew the truth. Pelosi knew, Hillary, all of those who were paid off to hide or remove all records. There are simply to many powerful people involved in this scam, it would being down the government if every bill Obama had signed into law was now invalid. Then there is the race issue, screams of “racist” would be nationwide with riots, cities burning, murders, etc. If Fast & Furious and BenghaziGate get citizens to demand justice, nothing will. Apathy rules !
Well Said Royal ! Dont Forget Pelosi committed treason by falsely certifying Owebamas eligibility http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/09/17/u-s-supreme-court-confers-on-obama-eligibility-pelosi-supplying-altered-congressional-records-to-the-election-commission/
Actually, the facts are really very simple. Obama really and truly was born in Hawaii as showed by the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).
Huuuuuummmm whare have I seen this before???? HAHAHAHAHAHA
I do not post for you. I post the facts for the benefit of any rational person who may visit this site. I have shown the facts above. If you like, I will show the links to the articles stating the facts.
I have already seen all the bogus links you copy and paste.
WEll then when are you going to post facts? You only copy and paste hearsay no facts.
Re: “I have already seen all the bogus links you copy and paste.”
Well, you have, but others visiting this site, rational people seeking the facts, may not have.
Here is a Partial transcript of the famous taped grandmother interview, which birthers have claimed showed that she said that Obama was born in Kenya (it really shows that she said that Obama was born in Hawaii, repeatedly. Birther sites simply cut off the tape before she was asked can you tell me where he was born?”:
“MCRAE: OK. Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background: “naah?”)
BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help. I think, uh I think, I kind of, you know we’ll be coming December (unintelligible) and Vitalis, and I talking to him, so I tell him–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): –no, no– what?!?
BROTHER TOM: –that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you were a little, a little, a little American bus–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding distressed): No–yes–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.
BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh–was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I–I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it–
WOMAN’S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: –was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn’t here sir, he was born there in America.
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
Thanks for the info about Kenya as I know my mother did not flay to Kenya nor to Hawaii when she took Ann to forbes Air force base hospital at Toepka ks to have him. The Hawaii records were filed by his maternal grandmother is what I was told as she set up the fake bio. And the laxity in Hawaii is well known and hospitals had pads o blank forms laying around with no real security on them is what I;ve been made aware of. The marriage was performed n=by my Dad Rev Tracy Hardy at Mcvicar Chapel Washburn University in Toepka ks for convenience of both as the real dad had been murdered in a vicious racist attack on both of parents and he unborn and she needed marriage certificate doe to the times and he wanted to stay in USA. So two records apparently were file, the Hawaii one which was fraudulent filing, as I leanred all of these being done in Hawaii in Fall of 1963. and the real records in Toepka ks. Its very possible that if there really was an adoption by Soetoro the Ks records were changed to Soetoro as back on 9/14/12, I spent over an hour on the phone with the staff of Kris Kobach;s staff as they searched for death, marriage and birth records and they had to go on a different data base to get to Forbes which was closed long ago, and I gave the name of the real Dad and asked if it might be under soetoro and that when there was a gaspand comment made”WE DOn’t THNK he Knows!” ONLY the president can get the record or a court order and I called Orly Taitz and when she appeared in front of the judge the following week, she didn’t ask for the court order and the case is still pending. I didn’t come forward in 2008, as I was not on the Internet and didn’;t get much involved in the camp-sing other than voting for McCain, well known to family members and another relative of the President and I was on the ticket as VP. Its not been unusual in the last 30 years to have relatives run for he highest two office in the land and sometimes against each other. When this all surfaced again, and the Topeka Capital Journal wouldn’t even allow her reporters to check for news article in archives of the three dead ad other announcements, I began posting on line my eyewitness account. Its possible that Pres Obama;s atty;s asked for ks records to be checked and soeone didn;t check the separate miltarty hospital records as ‘they were handled differently.”Linda Joy Adams
Re: “The Hawaii records were filed by his maternal grandmother is what I was told as she set up the fake bio.”
That is what you were told by BIRTHERS, but it is not true. It is not even possible. Hawaii insisted on witnesses whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital. Obama’s birth INSIDE a hospital, Kapiolani, is attested to by the signature of the doctor on his birth certificate. Hawaii remains thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country and a child born in a foreign country requires to be on his mother’s US passport or get a US visa to be carried into the USA. Unless Obama was carried across the Mexican border (and Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico), that would have had to have been the case with him as well, and yet no such document or application for one has been found. The records show that he was born in Hawaii and there is no record of him being born in any other place or any other country, and if he were born in another country there would have to be the application to add him to his mother’s US passport or for a US visa issued in a US consulate in that place, and there isn’t any.
Ellen – Providing some left-wing nut job site that supports Obama is not providing proof. Furthermore, having someone who called in 2011, over 2 years after the election, is not proof. All it does is show that the Hospital Staff was trained to confirm that the President was born there. It doesn’t make it true.
And, no. You haven’t shown facts. You’ve shown what you want everyone to believe are facts. And you’ve conveniently ignored the holes people have blown in your “facts”: Such as the fact that the “data error” wasn’t really a data error because the Zip Code for Obama’s Childhood residence in Hawaii was significantly different than the one what would have been your claimed “data entry error” .
BTW, a child smuggled into the country for the intent of claiming he was born in said country would not have the travel documents that you claim he should have had. And if you think people haven’t been smuggling kids into this country for that purpose for over 100 years then I have some nice ocean front property in New Mexico for you.
Oh, one final tidbit. Don’t you find it the least bit interesting that no doctor or nurse has come forward to confirm that they actually delivered Obama at said hospital? Or that they were there at said hospital when he was born? That is kinda strange, don’t you think?
Don’t forget all the hundreds killed in Mexico and our U.S. agents killed with the the Fast and Furious guns. That is homicide on a massive scale, terrorists wish they could always be so successful.
ellen, do you get paid to look up all this bogus garbage. a clerk who works at the hawaiian office where this alleged birth certificate and just signed a document saying that his superiors have acknowledged there was never a long term bc there for obama. i have read all your mombo jombo and if you do not work for them already, you should get a job with them, then when they go down, you can go down with them. obama is evil, he is taking america down from the inside out, which is the muslim way. he has turned our nation into a communist wanna be country with himself slated as the dictator. he is now trying to get us involved through a treaty to have our supreme court be overruled by the nwo. we are trying to save ourselves. what do you think those fema camps are for, why do you think he is purging our military of officers that would not fight the american people. he is wanted along with dictator h clinton for war crimes in egypt. he is a danger to the american people. he has us crazy over a healthcare disaster because it gives him time to get his true agenda done while we are in confusion. he has been diagnosed over and over again for his narcissistic personality, and has been said to be dangerous, and he is. wake up ellen, even if you are paid by them, get a soul, you are selling your goods to a nation in disaster. if there is enough proof, and there other open trials right now that will call his right to be president into front and center, then we are praying for God to our call and stand with us. or are you one of those that dont believe in God, because many are just ignoring you and others like to fight, so you can copy and paste all you want. im sure you have them all right in front of you, since you obviously look for these kind of stories. be sure you get to the one about the girl that knew obama when he was a slithering young man, whoring up with older gay men, and smoking crack cocaine. well, see you the next article they have that gets closer to real transparency on this imposter of a leader that needs to be tried and convicted of treason, lying to the american people, ripping apart our constitutional rights (which is impeachable in its own rights), and his many failures in implementing leadership here and abroad.
We should definately have a new hunting way of life for WE THE PEOPLE, and that is to go and hunt down all of the islamic and other terrorists IN THE USA, which are growing ONLY to murder US.
You guys sound like we should just sit back and let the good times roll because there are too many powerful people.. More like people with money. They can still be made to scramble with some lead
In God We Trust! Truth matters.
Tomorrow – You will hear a big ‘sucking’ noise – that is the sound of your God given Rights being sucked away into a liberal/progressive ‘Black Hole’ and sets us further into serfdom to king obama and his administration
Our “government” has known this for a lo-o-o-ong time but has done nothing. The “leaders” are corrupt and evil beyond measure and the Little Hitler bureaucrats only care about where their next dinner of roast beef and mashed potatoes comes from.
None of those people give a damn whether YOU live or die. You’re impediments to gaining more percs for themselves that must be eliminated. Obama is ARMING them to KILL YOU.
If the Cops really wanted to end organized crime they’d start in Washington and at the top. But, they don’t and I don’t care if they or anyone else criticizes my beliefs. If I am wrong, why are the criminals that are in power allowed to continue?
Where is Congress? Where are the cops? Where is the military? WHERE ARE OUR DEFENDERS?
They’ve been bought and sold. That’s where they are.
StRanger, IT’S ALL ABOUT JURISDICTION!!!! ~ The FEDS have jurisdiction within the federal government!
ALL LEO’s only have power within THEIR JURISDICTIONS….that is the reason Sheriff Joe Arpaio cannot go to Washington, DC and arrest ANYONE….but he CAN within Maricopa County, AZ.
Bullscat!! If any of our so-called “defenders” had the cajones this Communist Mao wannabe would be behind bars right now.
It is AS I SAID, they are ALL in on the fix every scumbag one of them.
And oh, by the way. The DHS and the PENTAGON have just labeled legal gun owners as TERRORISTS. It is OFFICIAL now. The coup is on. Now trot back back to Huffy, ANTICRIME, you’re outed as a TROLL here.
We need to start a wave to change all of our w2 to max so less taxes are being taken out then file for extensions, atleast it will keep less money from going to the muslim brotherhood
Obama won every single one of the 332 Electoral Votes that he won in the general election. Not one single elector changed her or his vote from Obama to Romney. Not one single elector refused to vote or voted for a candidate other than Obama and Romney. The same thing happened in the 2008 election and in the 2012 election. Not one single elector in the 532 electors in the country changed her or his vote because of the claims of birthers.
The reason is that: (1) not one of them believes the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country; and (2) not one of them believe the crazy birther theory that two citizen parents are required to make a Natural Born US Citizen since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
These views are, btw, shared by such conservative leaders as Paul Ryan, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review. None of these people or institutions believe that Obama’s birth certificate was forged, and none believe that the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) are lying when they say that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that the original birth certificate exists in the files of the DOH and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Ellen, your blind, blithe ignorance is simply breathtaking. If the “Obamunists” such as yourself actually do win I would LOVE to see the look on your face when your new Masters hand you a hoe and tell you to get busy. Yep, the Progressive Paradise is just over the next hill. And has been for a hundred years now. Good luck getting there. LOL
Re: ‘ If the “Obamunists” such as yourself actually do win…”
Answer. We HAVE won. Obama’s second Inauguration took place this Monday, January 21. The Standard and Poor’s stock market average was up 4/10 of a percent today. And the Dow Jones Average was up 62 points or about a half percent.
Wall Street has been artificially propped up and you know it. Your LIES about the economy are senseless.
Here’s the bottom line, Robot, the Military is being reformed to KILL AMERICANS not the enemies of America. YOU support that. YOU are made of the same SCUM that the military is. YOUR credibility is ZERO, scum sucker. You support a man who has designs to murder MILLIONS of AMERICANS whose “crime” is exercising their Second Amendment Rights.
Take your Liberal Propaganda elsewhere, Leftist Scum. Your Boss has shown his true colors and YOU are his drooling mouthpiece now.
I won’t even acknowledge your existence from now on. You support the MURDER of millions of your fellow citizens.
I never call names. I simply post the facts. I have shown the facts that prove that Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born US citizen. Rational people visiting this site will immediately see that when the birther zealots cannot answer the facts they call names and ask for the poster of the facts to go away.
Paid trolls who who post the sheer mountain of BS that spews from your drug induced pie hole insures that you have set a new standard on the effects of mind altering drugs! This last election you refer to was the greatest example of massive election fraud in American history and beyond. All states requiring photo ID were lost by the liar in chief. UN observers were appalled when they witnessed people voting without having to produce voter ID. Multiple precincts in several states recording over 100% of the vote for your hero, mathematically impossible. Saddam Hussein, Castro and Chavez could only dream of those numbers. Never happened, even in those nations there was never vote totals that surpassed 100% in any given locale! Yet massive campaign contributions from foreign countries, including enemy states, flowed into the Democommunist party coffers as was proven by the GOP. and not refused. A clear violation of the Constitution and treason by illegally funding the outcome of this and the last election!
So take your BS whatever your name is and crawl back where you came from, your not welcome here. Try Huffington or some other Communist blog, and pick up your toys on the way out!
Well said combavet. ‘It’ has replied to every comment I made to ‘It’ or onothers comment/post except for one I have asked ‘It’ several times which she chooses to ignore, because she cannot answer the question truthfully. I asked her what has Obama done for you? BTW, I ignore ‘It’
Re alleged Election fraud:
And if there was indeed significant election fraud, we would have heard about it from Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum—none of whom have claimed fraud–or Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or the National Review or Krauthammer, none of whom have claimed fraud either. Or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states.
Re the question: ” I asked her what has Obama done for you?”
I have ignored it because it is changing the subject. The subject is Obama’s ELIGIBILITY. He is eligible regardless of whether you hate him or I like him or I hate him and you like him. It has nothing to do with what he did for me or for you. It has to do with his place of birth, which was in Hawaii, and the meaning of the term Natural Born Citizen, which the US Supreme Court has defined as coming from the common law and referring to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents.
However, since you ask, I believe that Obamacare, which will bring medical insurance to 35 MILLION people who did not have it, is a good thing. This, btw, is not “ignoring” anything.
WE should be extremely scared about our criminal and totally nutless extortionist gangsterment. Really scared.
SCARED…NO! ~ ANGRY…YES!!!
No one wants BHO out of our White House more than I do. BUT, there is something wrong with this report. I’m a 30 year genealogy researcher. I just found the 1940 US Census pictured at the beginning of this video listing Harrison J. Bounel as a boarder in the Julius home. The record pictured in the video was from the 1940 Census for “The Bronx” in New York City, not Chicago. Census records do not contain Social Security numbers. So, I also did a Social Security Death Index search for Harrison aka Harry J. Bounel. No record was found. Perhaps I’m not following the breadcrumbs in this story correctly, but what was said in the video does not correlate with what I found thus far.
@DorothyGrissom, thank you for the heads up, that official U.S. Census records do not include SSNs.
That said, there are straightforward explanations for the apparent discrepancies you mention. Harrison J. Bounel lived in the NYC-Conn. area, not in Chicago. He either applied for his SSN in Connecticut before 1972, or his SSN was registered to a Connecticut mailing address in 1972 or later, as confirmed by the Social Security Administration here: http://web.archive.org/web/20010302160247/http:/www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html
Harrison J. Bounel later retired to Hawaii and died there. But before the Honolulu Co. Judge of Probate could register Bounel’s death with the Social Security Administration in Baltimore, a volunteer worker in the Probate Judge’s office stole Bounel’s Social Security Number beginning with “042″, so it was never registered as “Deceased” at the SSA. That volunteer worker was Madelyn Dunham, who provided that stolen SSN to her grandson, Barack Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, who has continued to use it to this day, along with many other SSNs.
Why would she do that, when she could have legitimately obtained a valid SSN with the Hawaii Certificate of Birth ending in “061″? Either there was something incriminating about the original, pre-modified Certificate of Birth, or it was just easier for her to boost a deceased person’s SSN.
Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham was a low-level employee at a bank at the time and not a volunteer worker for a probate judge. And millions of people have errors in their SS numbers and multiple SS numbers in their files.
Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham was a low-level employee at a bank at the time and not a volunteer worker for a probate judge. And millions of people have errors in their SS numbers and multiple SS numbers in their files.
The bottom line remains that it is not rational to believe the combination of (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough and stupid enough to send their daughter late in pregnancy on a long, risky and expensive trip to a foreign country alone (a FOI Act request shows that Obama senior remained in Hawaii throughout 1961)—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home and the relatives who never said that he was born in Kenya (but said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii) are ALL lying.
Born in Topeka Ks Linda Joy Adams thrd cousin.and witness to events and circumstances surrounding the birth. Much of the extended family only knew of the fake bio put in place. There was an estrangement over vairous facots with much of Grandfathers family, Daniel Wayne Pope who stole STanley Dunham;s id to do to war when too young. Cocnvoouted 100 year old family sago.
I wonder if this purported Harry Bounel is collecting social security since he is over 67 years old? It would be interesting to be able to research to see if someone who is 123 yrs old is still sucking off social security. I truly wouldn’t put it past Obama to fraudulently claim SS as a source of income, since he never really held any form of employment basically his entire life. Where did he get his run around money? Soro’s and Alinsky?
Not o9ne of those links mentions Obama?????
No, of course not. What they do is show that a lot of SS numbers are caused by data entry errors. Millions upon millions of them.
Zip codes were NOT adopted until 1962; a year later then the mumbo jumbo lies you regurgitate over and over (dozens of times on this page alone)
You must be one of the lawyers who is baught and payed for by obozo.
Swear on the Bible that our Lord Jesus is your Saviour and ask for forgiveness for your sins that you may be saved, or be damned forever!
Re: “Zip codes were NOT adopted until 1962…”
Answer: Indeed yes. However, you seem to be under the impression that he got his SS number when he was born. That is not true, and in fact it is silly. He got his SS number when he got his first job, which is when he needed to get it, and that was considerably later than 1962.
Ellen, I have seen the same repeated post’s from you almost like a robot set up to make a certain statement then another then another till it hits the end of the loop and starts all over again. It is quite obviious that you are indeed an obamabot and if real living in your private mindless little utopian world. I hope you have a lifetime supply of the Obama kool-aide to assist you in your mindless journey. I feel sorry for you,but when the war Obama want’s comes I will then feel nothing but recoil
OK. So now we have Obama going by another name, not just Barry Soetero, a name I forget, and now HARRISON J. BOUNEL when he was living at 5046 South Greenwood Avenue, Chicago, Illinois. Who is this Obama guy and why doesn’t anyone care to find out who he really is. Now we find his social security number and it is in the name of this Bounel person. Who in the sam hill is our so-called president? This must be just part of the million dollars that he has spent to hide his past, and who he really is. Why doesn’t the United States of America find out who he is? Someone address him as Harrison and see what reaction he has.
I am just so pised with his annual trillion dollar deficits and his not doing anything to stop these deficits, a health care bill that will continue to bankrupt the country, a burgeoning federal deficit that he continues to steal the future from our youth, and now wanting and trying to disarm Americans, most likely to advance communist control over the country, not to mention his wanting to become a dictator pushing for a third term in office and so on and so on. What in the sam hill is wrong with American jures prudence, other than the fact that he has all but taken over the legal system.
Theere is only one problem, this SLIME BALL Jerk FAce OBOOOOOOOMA doesn’t think the CONSTITUTION exists. How are we JOHN Q. PUBLIC going to show him that it does EXIST.?????????????
The only way is with a NATIONAL REFERENDUM SIGNED BY ALL 50 STATES to kick his ROTTEN BUTT out of office. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out Constitutional Sheriffs site for some snowballs to form and grow ever larger till they roll over DC and burry it!
They have not said anything either about Obama’s place of birth or his social security number.
I read this about 2 & 1/2 years ago. What I didn’t read was that moochell was related to bounel or that a loan was received from fanny may in the trust of N. Trust Property.
Has a lawsuit been filed yet.
In the 60′s Anne Dunham lived a block away from malcolmx. She had the hots for him and screwed him which resulted in obama. Obama sr associated with malcolmx at the time. Malcolm wasn’t about to leave his wife so Obama sr and malcolm struck a deal.
This is not trurth. Real. Dad was back in Toepka And the whole commuity was in a gossip frenzy tht turned deadly over the iterracial couple. What is your source on this? At the time of conception, she was in Topeka ks with her boy friiedn another teenager.
If you have read the comments on this post you should see that Ellen has all the right answers. Therfore if it does not agree with her info them you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! She know it all. If you do not believe me ask HER!
Re: “If you have read the comments on this post you should see that Ellen has all the right answers.”
Answer: In this case you are correct. I will accept your confirmation despite you probably meaning it sarcastically,. I have presented the facts, and I would be delighted to do so again.
If you do not believe these facts, and still believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you can answer the following questions:
I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?
(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
So, how come there is no proof that Obama entered the USA in 1961 or received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?
I was listening to this video than it suddenly went blank and said, “This video is currently unavailable.” I got the part about his alias name Harrison Bounel and that he’s “wanted.” He and Moochelle are both frauds and criminals. Now, the video isn’t available. Did Obozo in DC have something to do with blanking out this video?
The video doesn’t explain the 1940 census information. Would love to hear more about that connection.
Harry Bounel was born in 1890. Apparently BHO’s SS # belongs to someone born that year. The video reports that Harrison Bounel is listed with the same SS # as BHO. By any chance was the 042-68-4425 SS# first issued to Bounel?
It would have to have been issue to Bounel 1st being he was born before BHO.
Yes, I guess my question is this, “Can we get confirmation that the number was issued to Bounel?” (I don’t expect the Social Security Administration to be helpful with this matter. Maybe the number could be tied to Bounel from some other record, such as Medicare or any other record.
SSA says no one has it, yet Obama is using it as his number for tax returns. If confirmation can be obtained, that it was assigned to Bounel, then Obama has a LOT of explaining to do.
Meanwhile, according to the video, the number is tied to Obama’s address along with Bounel’s name.
That should be enough for a federal prosecutor to subpoena the SSA in regards to the number along with Obama.
It goes before the supreme court Feb 15th, the problem with that is Chief Justice Roberts is to hear the case and he is swearing Oballsack in tomorrow
Millions of people have errors in their Social Security numbers and/or multiple social security numbers, which were caused mainly by data entry errors:
I’ve worked for Social Security since 1968 and have worked all parts of SSN process, except in Baltimore.At the time in question one was issued the number for the office in which one applied, nothing more than that. All this speculation is not helping the main issue of real birth records in Toprka ks. Also when I went to work for SSA , my training included problems in Hawaii with birth records. There was also a pad of blank for s to file with the county stolen and I now wonder if this occurred, If so there should be a police report in Hawaii on this from the time. Soon after is when the law got changed, I was aware of the false bio put in place by Fall of 1963 by his maternal grandmother, but now I;m wondering if she might have been involvrf in something more – stealing the blank pad from the hospital? Don;t want to accuse any one as innocent until proven guilty… A far as my immediate family knew it was just a story, to tell of birth and marriage in Hawaii, etc. when it all happened in Topeka ks. Sheriff Joe needs to ask for the police report from the era re stolen blanks from the hospital and any investigation that might have occurred. Much of this info was never entered on the websites in 1992, when social security tested out windows for Microsoft ,I was in one of the test site offices and noticed a lot of info missing that we used to have access to., even some benefit categories that some would be entitled to, if they were filing at certain times, missing., but no laws changed. If the president showed up at a social security office to file, and produced only a notice of birth from Hawaii, he may have been stopped from getting his own number over it, and if he was not told of Birth records in Topeka Ks, he may have had a lot of difficulty doing anything legal. Another probability is that if Ks was checked, clerks may not have known or currenlty know to check the records for a closed military hospital back soon after he was born;, which puts the onerous on a former Sec of State of Ks for causing the birther movement and Kris Kobach, currently may need to apologize to POTUS. for the mix up of a former person holding his position. Point is: All this misinformation out there like this is not helping. Surely this did not come directly from any one at SSA? (I was never aware of the fraudulent filing in Hawaii) And as said before wasnot on the internet in 2008, and had no idea the birther movement was on going like this. until later and then the birthers would ot check for the real records as it seems too much money was, and is invested in another false story and making the president ineligible to be on ballots when he is, but voters should have known the truth and made their decisions based on truth and not speculations and false leads. I;m very cocernedabout many poociiesand things occurringin DC, too. But until someone with the wherewith all to do so, starts going after truth, then the lie is wininng..Linda Joy Adams
Have you sent this info to sheriff Joe? Beside you had better scroll up and check with Ellen. She is the expert. If your info does not jive with her records then you are wrong. Her proof is insidputible!
How many ssn applications did Ellen process during those years.? I did a lot and it wasn’t my main job.This is why some of this is just ludicrous. Sheriff Joe was contacted by me several times, and there is no interest in the truth by many of those collecting money. I have never been able to talk with hm directly, so his staff is doing a grave injustice if they have never shared any of this. Remember I WAS THERE! I;ve tried to be very careful on what I know for sure and what may be. I don;t know that the grandmother field the fraudulent document in Hawaii nor stole the pad of blank forms out f the hospital, but one has to realize these kinds of thefts have occurred all too often around the country before SSA and other agencies finally convinced hospitals to up there security. Plus the cabbage patch dolls fiasco was the biggest breach by some hospitals imaginable… Millions have been off of lies and speculations,/ The man was eleigible to run for president and the people should have been allowed to discuss issues and character, but all this was a distraction. I had no idea there was phony document filed, and maybe this is way his grandmother was so scared in 1/71 as I HAD JUST SAID I worked for Social security. The issue is the real records are in Toepka Ks and volumes of them of various kinds and until someone with the wherewithal is willing to seek truth. I have a lot of questions, too as why Ann was sent to live with Fred Phelps? My parents understood they were relatives of some kind. My motivation is justice for a class mate of mine murdered In a racial attack on his parents, which he was the father according to my mother an Ann told her and she had gdns papers and took her to the hospital to have the president. 50+ years and three dead and no investigation. Thinkk of f a 15 years old, pregnant and she;s searching the river bank for the body and the police would do nothing except try to shut her up. If the bodies had not washed up later they would have been added to the ;disappeared of the civil rights movement in this country. This is very personal because the last time I saw him as the students were in a gossip frenzy, and couldn’t get me to join he looked over at me with a plea for help look, and after his group Sung at the music m=festival I walked away and did;t ask if I could help, not realizing at the time that Ann was my second cousin and she didn’t know her dad;s real name was Pope.My parents an her paternal grandmparents did not know she was in Toepka Ks and I knew her and had no idea as she introduced herself using the name Dunham. WHen Mom Registered her at Toepka HS, she filled out the card for the teachers as Stanley Ann Pope, and The registrar couldn’t find the capper Jr HS records until Ann said, its under Dunham. This is all in my postings on my sites There Really is very little public info from eye witnesses and any little bit is helpful..Linda Joy Adams
I am sure Ellen can and will answer any questions you have. She has all the answers
I thought SS#’s were not even issued until November 1935! How can anyone have one that goes back to the 1800′s? What am I missing?
I am 72 years old and I did not get my SSN until my first job. At that time at the bottom of the card it had printed, Not To Be Used For Identification.
In 1986 it was changed. When a child is born you are given a form to fill out to apply for your baby’s SSN
BORN IN 1890, got his card in 1935. Simple.
WHY ARE MY POSTS BEING “MODERATED” AGAIN? i DON’T ADVOCATE VIOLENCE OR USE VULGARITY. WHAT IS WORD PRESS DOING. SENDING THEM TO WHITEHOUSE.GUV FOR APPROVAL? BIG BROTHER WATCHING OVER WESTERN CENTER NOW TOO?
I’m suddenly being censored on “Godfather Politics” and “Freedom Outpost.” It’s most likely the government doing it. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a free country any more.
And I don’t use vulgarity or violence either, yet I’m being censored on Godfather Politics and Freedom Outpost.
I have also been cencore by sites that use discus to varify and see that no threats etc are posted. I did get a lovely little email from the dept of state over one of my post’s stating that. “Your comment has been recieved and is under review” Thank you for contacting the Dept of State. I ws ROTFLMAO after reading that. Yes we are being monitored on every conservative site and also on our facebook, twitter and any other social media you may choose to use. I am presently reading Obama;s Enemies list to see if i am in there by name. lol A government that fears and spies on it’s citizen’s is a Government that is corrupt.
If this is all true, what are we waiting for ?
Wow no Ellen posts?? What a breath og fresh air!
For almost hundred years, the INTERNATIONAL BANKERS has been conspiring to destroy the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION and to implement a totalitarian commune-fascist society under they control…what they call the NEW WORLD ORDER, and after the end of WWII the globalist conspirators at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London and the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS in New York, devoted all their energy and creativity to devise a plan to impose on the people of the WORLD their DEMONIC creation…now here is a question, why was Obama chosen by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS for the pResidence of the White House?…did the CFR appoint him to turn a possible rebellion into a race war?, did they appoint him because, due to his inability to offer proof that he really is a natural born citizen, they can blackmail him with their knowledge that they can ged rid of him any time they want, if he does not follow the CFR instructions?, it is evident that Obama is a PUPPET OF THE CFR, he can’t produce any coherent argument when he is not fallowing his CFR controlled teleprompter. Still, Obama is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, and protected by a BODY GUARD of LIES behind a dark curtain of disinformation by a cesspool of dishonest, corrupt, CRIMINAL and COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS CONTROLLED judiciary, MEDIA and a BODY GUARD OF CIA OPERATIVE working under the ORDERS OF THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. The whole State Department is controlled by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, and remember that the Republican and Democrat party are controlled by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. We are living a MONUMENTAL LIE. We have a pResident using something as insignificant as a STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY and our CORRUPTED SUPREME COURT is complicit in the CRIME.
ZORRO I believe you got it right! GOD help us We The People Conservatives!
This individual who calls himself an investigator is only partially correct. The SSN is a stolen SSN from a Connecticut man born in 1890. It has been investigated and verified by multiple private investigators. Obamas names appear on 128 different residences not 50 something. These addresses were used during the 08 election to funnel illegal campaign finance money from overseas sources. They together also claim about an equal number of different job titles to include the President of Yale, the President and CEO of Fox News and other universities, colleges and major corporations. Obama also forged a selective service registration form, failed an E-verify check and now the Secretary of Hawaii has submitted a sworn affidavit stating that both birth certificates that Obama has claimed and put on the internet are fraudulent. The SOC has also verified the State of Hawaii has no official record of his claimed Hawaii birth. I don’t want to sell this skip tracer short but this information was detected and reported over a year ago. I was able and you may be able as well verify much of the same information by searching the public records of Cook County. Keep in mind that when someone identifies something the records are expunged almost immediately. Four years ago you could find both Obama’s bar license records online, you could find the information on the stolen SSN by simply going to the Social Security website. I did both. Today the information no longer exists.
Today, the US Supreme Court is scheduled for a full court hearing on these issues in February. Who knows how that will turn out. In response to what are we waiting for. To date over 30 separate law suits have been filed by at least six attorneys both individually and collectively. The courts have tossed every single one without a hearing on the merits or in a couple of cases even after they heard the evidence they tossed the case without a valid explanation. Obama is not a natural born citizen, may not be even a naturalized citizen. He is not Christian, he is Muslim. He uses Christianity as a cover. He is also a Communist and follows both the Stalinist and Hitler approach to overthrow the US. He has one goal to destroy us from within, to include our currency, economy and military. That is only the tip of the iceberg.
See my reply above to KenyanBornObama.
@douglasdauntless, I’m not aware of the adult gin joints, as “gin” was reportedly not on High School Barry’s preferred list of mood adjusters. But he did need a SSN to get a job at Baskin-Robbins in 1977, which might have brought his post-birth registration in Hawaii into question. His grandmother, Madelyn (or Madlyn) Dunham, registered his birth in absentia as a non-hospital birth on Aug. 7, 1961, and she fraudulently claimed that he was born at Kapi’olani M&G Hospital in Honolulu, even though he was actually born in the Lady Grigg Maternity Unit of Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, with James O.W. Ang’awa as attending physician. She also falsely claimed that his mother and father of record lived at 6085 K Hwy. just off Waikiki Beach, when Barack Sr. could hardly afford tuition and a student apartment. Establishing non-cohabitation for separation, Anna and young Barack never set foot in Hawaii before Barack Sr. left for Harvard in June of 1962, so even the newspaper birth announcements made by the Honolulu DOH were a sham; they were automatically triggered by the fictitious Hawaii birth registration which Madelyn Dunham filed at the Honolulu DOH on Aug. 7, 1961.
I cannot prove the following in court, but it is the simplest, non-contrived explanation which corresponds to the known facts, motive, and opportunity. There is no known evidence to disprove it, except the proven-fabricated documents behind the Barack Obama II birth myth.
In 1977, Madelyn Dunham had to provide young Barry with a fake SSN to avoid any Social Security Administration cross-checking of the non-hospital birth registration of a birth at Kapi’olani Hospital against the birth records at Kapi’olani, which has denied having any record of Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama ever being a patient there. With the ready advice of Communist Frank Marshall Davis on how to create a fake identity, Mrs. Dunham used her volunteer position at the Honolulu Probate Judge’s office to lift from the records of the deceased a SSN which had not yet been filed as deceased with the SSA. That deceased person was Harrison J. Bounel of Connecticut and New York, who had just recently died in Hawaii.
Years later, after Mr. Obama acquired from Tony Rezko the 5046 S. Greenwood property in southside Chicago, that address was recorded along with Mr. Obama’s assumed SSN beginning with “042″. Thus Harrison J. Bounel (deceased), the true owner of that SSN beginning with “042″, posthumously acquired an address of 5046 S. Greenwood in Chicago.
Madelyn Dunham worked in a bank at the time and did not start her volunteer work in the probate office until 1986. which was after she retired.
Re: ” His grandmother, Madelyn (or Madlyn) Dunham, registered his birth in absentia as a non-hospital birth on Aug. 7, 1961…”
Obama’s long-form birth certificate has the name of a hospital on it, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital (which by the way did exist at the time) and it has the signature of a doctor of that hospital right on it, and the officials in Hawaii have stated in legal filings that the birth certificate that the White House published has EXACTLY the same facts on it as the document in the files, meaning that the document in the files also says that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital too.
The bottom line REMAINS that it is not rational to believe the combination of these two things occurred (and BOTH of them would have to happen for Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have to be rich enough (and his grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time, and in 1961 his grandmother was only a low-level employee in a bank) and stupid enough to send Obama’s mother on that long, risky (the incidence of stillbirths were high at the time) and expensive trip alone (Obama’s father has been shown with a FOI Act request to have stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii;
and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying. Both of those would have to be true for Obama to have been born in a foreign country. BOTH of them.
And, btw, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he as born in Kenya (that was made up just the way the “Lawyer admitted” claim was made up and the “Hawaii official admits that they don’t have the files” claim was made up), and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated, and that Obama certainly was NOT born there.
Your information does not agree with Linda Joy Adams. Are you calling her a liar???
Who is Linda Joy Adams, and what did she say? If she said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya, she is wrong. If she said that Obama was born in Kenya, she is wrong. If she said that Obama has not shown his birth certificate, she is wrong. If she said that Obama forged his birth certificate, she is wrong. If she said that he is not a Natural Born Citizen due to there being a requirement of two citizen parents, she is wrong. What did she say?
Ellen I am an eye witness and a third cousin of President Obama through my cousin Dan Pope the real name of his maternal grandfather who stole Stanley Dunham;s Id to go to war. Topeka Ks is the birth place of the President as that is where my mother Florence Hardy Ann;s great aunt and aunt of Her Dad took her to have him at Forbes Air Force Base Hospital. as she was a military dependent. although she had married Obama Sr a couple of months before his birth so she could have a marriage certificate and the marriage was arranged by my Dad and he married them at Mcvicar chapel at Washburn University with members of the Black sorority in attendance. This social necessity occurred because the real Dad ( never named in media) was murdered in a racist attack on both of his parents and he unborn on the banks of the Kansas river that left three dead and no real investigation for 50+ years after a gossip funny at Toepka HS and in the city over the interracial relationship and after the bodies went under the water no one has talked fro 5-+ years, even after the bodies washed up later and there was some news coverage over it. In no way is Kenya involved in a birth and Obama Sr is not the Dad as I was there when the marriage was being arranged as He wanted to stay in USA. There are few eye witnesses out there and he birthers going to court a=are losing because they are getting none o f the volumes of documents and news -paper announcements out of Toepka ks and No one is assisting in getting them either as I am not able to do so being hundreds of miles from KS. Those that do not ;like the president and his policies ( I have concerns over some of these , too) have been bamboozled by big money behind the birther movement who have started admitting they knew about is origins in Toepka ks but followed the fake bio put in place by his immediate family soon after birth for protection for lives of his mother and he.We are forgetting what real pervasive terrorism was only a few decades bog when those who wanted equality for all were visited by hooded domestic terrorists in the middle of the night and often they were in the authorities also no one was going to investigate or protect victims at all.And there were no civil rights laws then, either. in 1961. You can read more on my personal websites. Linda Joy Adams@ blogger .com, face book and twitter is linked. I started 7/26/12 after the wild and horrific speculations began surfacing again and my calls to the Toepka capital Journal was that the reporters were not even allowed to check their archives for the articles on the murders nor marriage and birth announcements and any other articles pertain to any of the circumstances. by their editor. Tamara Quinn. I had not realized that ownership had changed form Capper to Morris, whom I don;t know who they are. There is also interconnection and invoivement by westboro Baptist church and Fred Phelps whom my mother sent to get the gdnshp papers signed over form hm to get Ann registered at Toepka ks. She had been sent m=by her mother to stay there and graduated form Capper Jr HS and left over conditions which is reported on elsewhere. Murderers have gone free for 50+ years and there is great fear to get involved in Topeka ks although ‘everyone ‘ knew at the time. If you take a serious look at what is out there in the media very little is any kind of eye witness accounts. Most only know parts. I don;t know all that happened after 1/71 as only saw him in a crowd situation a few times as an adult. If there is a Linda Adams saying he was born in Kenya, must be someone trying to stop the truth.I was not on the internet in 2008 and voted for another relative of the Press and I, who was running for VP on the Rep ticket and McCain is well known by AZ relatives and a relative by marriage and my involvement was jut voting. Our son tried in early 2008 to start a genealogy of the five siblings hat came to USA almost a hundred years ago and no one was taking over two relatives My Dad;s family running against each other for the highest ticket in the land. Over the last 30 years, its been common for relatives of either Mom or Dad to be running for those office of Pres and VP and often against each other. Leaves me in the crossfire and often that;s not been good as I know things form both family sides and Pres Obama is not the first to not been told the truth of his origins. I don;t know if he knows yet. In 2004, he said on c span book review L He took what he;had been told and wove a story. So did I most of my life. and that;s why I began spotting and in Daily Recaps sine as to how all this could be. If you Google “Linda Joy Adams’+ “Daily Recap”+ name of individual or date you should find all the postings or you can go to Linda Joy Adams blogger.com and scroll down the side for articles labeled Daily Recap to find details I;ve shared and I want to get into some old records of my parents to find pictures I know are in there but as part of my details include our own personal fight for life against the elite running this world ‘into the ground.’ I have a different motivation: justice,delayed;yway too long for a former class mate of mine that looked to me with a look of plea for help on that fateful day? that left the president of the USA not ever knowing his father and not told that he did not abandon hi, but laid down his life to save his and his mothers/ AN act of love and not one of abandonment whose influence was form a strong Christian back ground and a family in the forefront of the civil rights movement.. Linda Joy Adams eyewitness
All you have to do to find out who Linda Joy Adams is to scroll through the comments in this blog.
Dear Linda. Unless you can show a birth certificate from Topeka Kanas, no one will believe you. I certainly won’t. I believe the birth certificate from Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the HAWAII newspaper by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers). Topeka is a lovely town; there’s just no evidence that Obama was born there.
Obama’s grandmother stole several ID’s for Obama, so he could get jobs and go into adult gin joints in Honolulu. Obama could not get a SS number because he was not and is not a citizen of the United States.
Obama has also used several other names besides his own, but the SS numbers never matched. That is a felony. Where Big Joe from Arizona to bring Obama to court and have him put in jail for identity theft, that also stops Obama from being President. But it will be to late after Obama gets sworn in just like the last time.
He;s a citizen born in Toepka ks but his grandmother didn’t want him to know and stopped me in 1/71 form letting him know about Toepka ks. MOST OF HIS GRAMDFATHERS:S FMALY NEVER GOT TO KNOW HIM AT ALL> My parents were asked to step in by Ks authroities after real dad of Pres Obama murdered and Ann attacked, too. over their interracial relationship. She was only 15 and had gotten away form Fred Phelps at westboro Baptist which my folks were told some of his maternal grandmother;s relatives. yet I can;t locate any Payne related to her and she came form an area near where my father in law did and t was a ‘no man;s land in the early 1900;south native Americans escaping off reservations and all other peoples crossing the border between north and south. It was on he old cattle drive trails.I can;t afford all the search engines but what I did check nothing. Allegedly she came out of the deep south , like Fred Phelps did. Dunham isn;t even the real name of her Dad, becaue Daniel Wayne Pope ( he’s on that census too i Holyoke Colorado) stole Stanley Dunham Id to go to war when too young and too young to gt married without permission. Madelyn[s bio is suspect too. as she was introduced to me as Marilyn Dan;wife, we call her :TutT when she arrived at another cousins; home at Mercer island with the President in 1.71. So what is her real name? Ann didn’t even know her Dad;s real name and it was the Ks authroities that found the real Stanley Dunham and he told them who stole his ID and they contacted her paternal grandparents she had not gotten to now and then back to Toepka ks as my parents didn’t even know she was in town and I had know her and no idea she was a second cousin. The whole thing is convoluted mess for a hundred years. Its time for truth and no more of this! You have to have gron up in this extended family to understand that even spouses didn;t know who they marreid. My cousins in Colorado knew more as they compared notes of over heard converations and peaked in a trunk in a barn., I didn’t have that living in Ks.Linda Joy Adams
This isn’t BREAKING NEWS, I put this info/document out there years ago. I even gave it to Orly and I think she posted it on her website!
ssongtan wrote, “I don’t want to sell this skip tracer short but this information was detected and reported over a year ago.”
Agreed, this is “oldies-but-goodies” information. Probably the skip tracer sound clip is old too, or it was news to the @NEWSEDITOR who reported it here as “breaking news.” But as the celebrities say, “There is no bad publicity.” So if some people hear here for the first time about Harrison J. Bounel and the Connecticut SSN beginning with “042″, more power to Western Journalism for their highly visible pulpit. Likewise, WorldNetDaily has been recycling old ineligibility accounts as news, keeping the pot boiling and on the front burner.
Consider also that people know facts as yet unannounced, but their witnesses refuse to testify, as in, “I do love my country, but my family comes first.” Is|am and organized crime both thrive on fear and intimidation, a state called dhimmitude in the case of Is|am.
If people had to not believe that Obama is real then they would have to admit that God is not real. Not going to happen. Mythological “truth” is more important than reality truth.
THE DHS AND THE PENTAGON HAVE OFFICIALLY LABELED LAWFUL GUN OWNERS AS “TERRORISTS”!!!!!!!!!!!
OUR COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT HAS GONE OFF THE RAILS AND JUNKED THE CONSTITUTION. IT IS OFFICIAL —- ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE NRA ARE NOW CONSIDERED A DISSIDENT GROUPS AS IS EVERY OTHER PATRIOTIC ORGANIZATION OR MILITIA.
NO DOUBT THE INTERNET WILL BE SEIZED NEXT IF IT HASN’T ALREADY.
If it were me I would have been arrested already. It’s odd how the laws apply to some, not to others. I think the Constitution speaks to us about that and that it’s not to be done but that was before communism wormed it’s way into our government. It looks like the only help for us is us. Do we have what it will take to take this nation back from the evildoers? We better if we want our kids and grandkids to have a life at all.
I thought everyone was aware of this Harrison Bounel story… I read about it a year or so ago.. Nothing surprises me about this Fraud and conman anymore…. Except, that not a single federal law enforcement ageny or individual will acknowledge what the entire world knows… What kind of person could get away with this much lieing , corruption as they attempt to hide facts about thier own identity.
It proves we do not have a representative government… They are a criminal cabal of Thugs and marxist ideologues.
The remedy if not a legal one, will be a military one.
ole’ CON JOB-reelected because republicans were hesitant about Mormon Romney and they stayed home when the whole bunch should have voted-because that was what those democrats said they would do-yet they did not stay home-Obama could not believe he was spared a big loss.Anyway we better get this traitor out in a hurry-USA will turn into a massive riot if we do not
We have mindlessly set by to long now. Its already to late. Its going to be a riot either way
The Republican Party and many rank and file Republicans stupidly drove away support with their bellicose raving about ending “entitlements”. Very little effort was made to distinguish between the Social Security we EARNED by paying into it for decades and the Cloward-Piven freebies that the Democrats foisted on us all. I know several in my own neighborhood who DIDN’T vote because they felt their was NO difference between the two parties. Multiply that nationwide.
THAT coupled with the walking dead vote and the Bowser-Fluffy vote got Obama reelected.
Whine all you want but take a hard look at the abysmal tactics employed by the Republicans. You’d think they were TRYING to lose! Want to know something? THEY WERE.
So now I AM A TERRORIST!
Thank you Republican Party.
When the GOP picked McCain to run against Obama it seemed to me at that point the GOP did not want to wni. Then when they chose Romney I knew then they did not want to win. Obama has the money and power backing him thatty I am sure he will remain in office until his big money, string pulling puppet masters are finished with him, Then he will be somehow eliminated!
All of this doesn’t matter because NO ONE will believe this even if it is true because he is back into office as though this never happened because there are to many idiots out there that voted for him again.
When the truth is exposed and proven and he is convicted of treason, he needs ot be hung on the White House lawn along side his wife and Joe Biden and all the others that knew the truth and did nothing and it needs to be done for all the world to see that Americans are not going to put up with this in our nation.
Then we need to have a better vetting process that would insure that this would not happen again.
Then because it was the democratic party that did this, they should lose all repesentation for at least 8 years before they are able to elect someone to or serve in the White House or the senate.
TWO SEOARTE ISUES: 1. Eligibility which is met if any one would bother to get the real records form Toepka ks and verify if President Obama has ever known the truth of where he was born, which I know as of 1/71, he was not to be told and the fake bio put in place by Fall pf 1963. And unfortunately, that mixed in with everything else that there are real questions about.
2. How could Social security not have known this and prosecuted or decided not before statute of limitations ran out; to prosecute a long time ago. As an employee of SSA since 1963, its just not plausible that one could use a fake number this long and work, etc. Married women who forget to change their name on their SSN , find themselves with tax refunds held up all the time until they get it changed. And even before computer files. a lot pf employees at SSA did a lot of checking to make sure someone is not issued the wrong number. I know Ive worked the process. And getting a CT number was as simple as applying in a .Ct SSA office in those years. I don;t think we know what SSN he is currently using as SSA has alerts on the system if even an employee tries to access the records of a famous person. and one can be subject to disciplinary action for doing so i the person is not present asking for their records to be checked. So some of the other issues seem ludicrous to me, knowing the system as well as I do form the inside over the years in question.
Maybe, a congressional investigation needs to be as to whether the CIA, or other intelligence communities and currently is the Witness protection programs have been using SSN;’s of dead people and just not a change of name on the original one. etc. ? A weakness in the way things were done at the beginning of a program to save witnesses lives and a big breach in really protection, which was present early on in the program and I became aware of it and hopefully someone up the line line at SSA took care of?
Did he take advantage of the Soetoro adoption and get special help to get into College? That;s a real issue that the people should have known about when they voted!
One may forget the VP Biden was stopped in his 1988 presidential effort for a question of plagiarism on a paper written in school, although he was able to graduate. Small issue compared to some of the issues being spewed out about college records; which I have no eye witness acocunt of, but the truth may clarify what is true or not.
It appears, to me, a typical example of what can happen when one is not told the truth of thier original and the modern world just requires one has to have their papers in order for almost any kind of job, whether it be a truck driver or President of the USA.
I do know that the original Hawaii notices, etc all done soon after birth and his maternal grandmother was running things; Plus she ‘kept’ him and his mother pretty separated form most of extended family as they were not into the socialism, etc.. And she was called ‘Tut’ and Marilyn, not Madelyn inside the family so her bio is suspect, too. Dan Pope, my cousin stole Stanley Dunham;s Id to go to war when too young, is my first hand account from his mother, my Aunt Helen Pope.Did she have a stolen ID, too?
Why were my parents told Fred Phelps form Westboro Baptist in Toepka Ks were relatives of hers and why Ann had been sent o live with them? I was there when Mom had to go get the gdnshp papers signed over after the murder and attack on both parents and she pregnant with the president and authorities found paternal relatives to take charge so she could get registered in school and get medical care, etc. The my Dad arranged the marriage to Obama Sr and performed the ceremony at Washburn U n Toepka ks it members of the Black sorority in attendance.
I AM DISAPPOITED THA SHERIFF JOE HAS STILL NOT GOT TO TOPEKA KS . Three murders to solve and investigation form 50+ years ago, and one is the real Dad, a former classmate of mine and my motivation in all this is justice for him, as its been part of some unresolved issues in my life I was not aware of as I was one of ‘the good people who did nothing” when the gossip frenzy got out of control and even the teachers and community did nothing to stop it until it ended in three dead.
Eligibility is not an issue: Character and politics are and not getting the real records, has kept the focus off of the real issues here. Linda Joy Adams
CORRECTION: employed by SSA since 6/1968, my eyesight is not good today! Linda Joy Adams
Everyone please visit jedipauly.com – Paul Guthrie has a $50 Million lawsuit pending. He is a real patriot and needs all our support. I’m faxing his site info to Sen. Rand Paul, and my reps, Gov. Deal, Sen. Chambliss, Sen. Isakson, Rep. Collins here in Georgia. I’ve also sent Orly Taitz’s findings to them as well. All we can do is inundate them with the facts and pray for the best.
Additionally, from what I know, Harrison J. Bounel, according to the 1910 census which Dr. Taitz has, was living with Michelle Obama’s 2nd great grandfather (last name Robinson). He was born in 1890 in Russia and came to the U.S. He did not need a SS# until they were trying to get Medicare for which you needed a SS# back in the 70′s. Dr. Taitz has done excellent job at connecting all the dots.
These 2 warriors, Dr. Taitz and Paul Guthrie could sure use all your support. THANK YOU fellow patriots.
Also, the video gives you the option to listen to entire 39 minutes at the 7:14 mark. It is well worth listening to the entire video.
WHY ARE YOU ALL REFERRING TO THE BO BIRTH OAOERS AS A “BIRTH CERTIFICATE”?
They are (it is) NOT. It’s a Certificate Of Live Birth (COLB). A birth cerificate is filled out and sworn to by the technicians and doctor that actually assisted in or witnessedthe birth of the infant in question. A COLB is filled out any timeafterwards by any party that says that the live birth was thus-and-such, perhaps with or without showing the infant to support that claim.
And what about the requirement that in order to be a “natural born citizen”, both parents must be American citizens at the time of the birth? Can anyone here clear that up?
Response: 1> Both parents were USA citizens, as the records in Topeka s would sow and there are volumes on this all over, pule all the witnesses that have not spoken since the three went under the ks river and no investigation of the racial attack on is parents. that ended the Dad;s life. Marriage to Obama Sr arranged by my Dad and he married them a couple of months before birth at McVicar Chapel Washburn University, with members of the Black sorority in attendance. ( are you beginning to understand how many are eye witnesses, but since murderers have gone free for 50+ years, no one ins talking?, etc. Even the Toepka Capital Journal editor would not let her reporters go check the archives for the articles about when the bodies washed up on a sandbar later and I am not in Ks and no access to records and Ms Quinn wouldn’t permit it) Want to know the name of the Dad, hes listed. I;m not publicly stating it, as I know form 1. gossip frenzy over the cu0lple, 2. My Mother, Florence Hardy, who had gdnshp of Ann; his mother, 3. Ann told her and she creamed it when the article was published and said so.)
2. when the blank forms are stolen from a hospital or a courthouse, etc which erotically has happened in the USA. Then the document is forged and sent on to the county records and no one knows its a forgery, Or did it get caught but no one prosecuted? and caused law to be changed? under pressure form Social security? Any one that personally knows Sheriff Joe, please have him contact me back, as I can’t get passed the cold posse collecting money and If I had the money, I would be doing all this. Or he can just read what I;ve psoted on line.. Because of the suspect nature of all Hawaii birth records before the law was changed which has widely been reproted what was going on in Hawaii., any one coming in at age 18 or older to get an SSN had to produce evidence and with a Hawaii notice and not long form?records, one wold be asked fr addtl evidence and without the Toepka KS records ( one has to be told where they were born or they don;t know) then one is left floundering,, unless one gets a very well trained person at SSA, who could ferret out the info and assist, unfortunately not everyone in a govt office will go the ‘extra mile.; and this is what happens. So sorry, world that I didn’t scream it to him back in 1/71, but when one is a guest in a relative;s home that one has never met until then, one Tresa to be ‘polite’. I;m not going to walk away again as I did twice in this, first to assist the Dad when he looked to me for help before he was murdered and again in 1/71. And Again, something is horribly wrong at the top of SSA, if all this has gone on and no investigation allowed by the commissioner or past ones. Its required. Things changed so fast at SSA after the attack in 1/89 with a cover up of murders there and most of us on duty ( 90) will die of our injuries some sooner and some later.) Its a medical given and all should be homicides. But no investigation allowed by OIG’s, the internal law enforcement under the control of the political had of the agency. who has don all the felonies against me. So Congress needs a full blown hearing of what is really going on inside an agency that all of us is directly affected by for honesty and justice. I’ve written extensively whats the highest level of the agency have illegally done to me. And I have files and data missing and computer systems hacked into and OIG not allowed to do anything by the Comm of SSA whose term was up last week but is remaining until US senate confirms someone knew. The Deputy Colvin, was appointed and confirmed b in 2010 and she may asked to take over, and in her confirmation hearing all these issues should be raised. If everyone;s records are not secure and with ACS in charge, which Comm Astrue contracted all our personal info out to them, there is no expectation of security or laws be obeyed at all, plus movies are missing in multiple agencies on me ad others. The corruption is out of control and Congress does nothing.
to stop it.
Social Security has had the authority to ask for The Toepka KS birth records themselves and end this and with use of others’ numbers, would have done so if if allowed to investigate by Comm Astrue and former ones. So did they and does SSA have his Ks birth records? How do I know all this, Before there was OIG’s, I did fraud investigations, myself, All claims reps were trained and did them with the assistance of SSA;a regional atty before being referred for prosecution. Often the US atty;would not prosecute unless there was unpaid money missing. But there has to bed investigative files on this unless they have disappeared along with co,s files and personnel files.. SSA doesn’t even know ow many employees they have as records have disappeared and those that are under OWCp jurisdiction, have had records disappear with a phone call and no paper work saying got owcp settlement and retired which is what happened to me.
The on going corruption is horrendous and new employees are not getting sufficient training to even know what is going on and the agency I went to work for in 1968 has descended into utter chaos and contracting it out to Affiliated Computer services, now a Xerox company with Lynn Blodgett CEO who suppressed judges orders over at OWCP, US Dept of Labor as the appellate jduges orders were that the corruption against my files was so bad by them that all should ask me for the facts of the case and use my records to work the case as they had disappeared them so many times, would have caused a t least a hold on renewal of their contract in 2010 or no contract given and either brought whole ting back in house, or another company would have been given the contract. Even judges orders can;t be seen by the agency officials the govt contractor wants to share them and they control flow of info and agency officials can;t have them directly until ACS posts and they decide what is pertient and Judges orders are not pertinent when it exposes their corruption. Linda Joy Adams
Where is the proof that Obama Senior (the father of Barrack) applied for and received US citizenship. If expected by marriage, it would take a few years, long after junior was born. No record of that has ever been proffered.
Obama Sr is not the father. This was a marriage of convenience so she could have a marriage certificate and he to legality stay in USA. The marriage was with her 7 months pregnant and they never lived together. Arranged by my Dad and he married them in Topeka ks. The real dad was murdered in the racial. attack on both. There is a rebuttable presumption that husband is father in such cases. I’ve read hat the divorce may have been in Hawaii, but have no direct knowledge of that. She left Topeka few weeks after birth and finished HS At Mercer Island and my cousin’s; wife baby sat.. Some one has gone in on that site and added Ann Dunham in a couple of times trying to make her older by graduating sooner. If this is what millions were paid to do , its lame and dumb and not fooling any one. Why didn’t someone tell him when he got older of his birth in Topeka Ks. If I had only known, two times I blew it, once to try and stop the murders, even though I had no idea it was going to get deadly , and in 1/71 when his maternal grandmother stopped my from saying anything. The few times I saw him afterwards was in a crowd setting and I had no chance to speak to him. Once, in a church, I didn’t realize who he was until they had left as they were visiting some of Michelle’s family and had no idea they were related..
Well, I do mean to be politically incorrect, but while I’m doing it, I want to be factually correct, so let me fix something in people’s mind.
The legal name of our Fraudulence-in-Chief isn’t “Sorento” and never has been.
I mean, does this unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim POTUS look Italian?
As a baby, the little bastid was legally adopted by an Indonesian government thug named Soetoro (nickname “Lolo”) who married the woman who’d whelped the kid, Stanley Ann Dunham. In so doing, Soetoro conferred upon our little red diaper baby the legal name Soebarkah (nickname “Barry”) and made him formally both a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia and a Muslim.
None of this can be disputed. There are records that our POTUS-With-An-Asterisk hasn’t been able to seal by Executive Order, including Stanley Ann’s Indonesian government passport information. Like lots of babies, little Soebarkah traveled on his mom’s passport until he got his own Indonesian travel documents.
That passport, by the way, is how our Kenyan Keynesian traveled to Pakistan in 1981. A private American citizen wasn’t allowed to enter Pakistan on a U.S. passport at that time. Indonesia (then as now) is the most populous Muslim country in the world.
When Stanley Ann mailed Barry back to live with her parents in Hawaii at the age of 10, the kid was “a good Muslim schoolboy” named Soebarkah who had lost his American citizenship by virtue of immigration to Indonesia and adoption by Soetoro.
No action was taken subsequently either to naturalize the kid as a U.S. citizen or to change his legal name back to “Barack Hussein Obama II,” so….
Yeah, he’s not only not a natural born citizen by virtue of his legal parentage (no matter where it’s argued that he’d been born) but he’s not a U.S. citizen at all.
And his legal name is still Soebarkah, nickname “Barry.”
Obama Sr is not the father although they married when she was 7 months pregnant in Toepka ks. and he uses the name, but back on 9/14/12, when I Filed an affidavit with the Secretary of State of ks and the staff searched for over an hour for death of real dad, marriage to Obama s and birth and under the real dad;s name and I asked for them to check soetoro because if there was an adoption that records would be changed, but citizenship is a federal matter and only Hillary knows what;son file there. Someone more ino this international law, would confirm this but I think by age 22 those with dual citizenship can choose.I don’t have access to anything to known this. It was after they checked Forbes air force base hospital in Toepka ks and under soetoro that there was the gasp and comment: we don;t think i he knows. I couldn’t; be told, and knew that and din;t ask but I called orly Taitz and when she appeared in court a few days later and didn’t ask for the cour order, which in itself would have exposed things, she let everyone down. That case is open and waiting for the request. I have no legal standing in Ks Ans Kris Kobach has been racked over good since then, the one person that knows Affidavit Is Posted on my face book, blogger and linked to twitter and has been re posted since, should be able to pic it up by searching Daily Recap; 9/14/12+Linda Joy Adams as I have shared a lot of info in daily recaps since 7/26/12 of entire family so all can understand what real of first generation a 100 years ago was like.. Linda Joy Adams
Very interesting. Has any one mentioned this to Obama? I am inclined to believe if this information was brought to his attention waht you imply would be checked out and he would hold a press conference stating he found out that he was born in Topeka Ks. Does the hospital in Topeka have records of BHO being born there? If so why have not one person from that hospital come forward to set the record straight? I am not saying you are wrong, but your info does not coincide with Ellens indisputable evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.
TRUTH; eyewitness my mother took Ann to hospital to have him. Now only the president or a court order can get the records and I did file affidavit with Kris Kobach and his staff searched for an hour for death of real dad, married to Obama st =r and birth and Forbes is on a separate data base as a closed military hospital, I asked to check under Soetoro as a adoption and that;s when they ;gasped; and said We don;t think he knows. Then I called Orly Taitz and I think it was her answered, but I left a message and she goes into court ( case is still open)In a few days later and didn’t ask the Shawnee County judge for the court order and left everyone Hugh and dry over this. Three dead and no murder investigation for 50+ years, and westboro Church and Fred Phelps involved as my mother had to get the gdnshp papers signed over form him so she could take charge and get Ann registered in school All on my sites starts 7/26/12 and in Daily Recaps since. My affidavit posted 9/14/12 with Sec of Sate Kris Kobach who no one really had head of until after this and HE KNOWS THE Truth and can’t say. I have emailed the white house and campaign of my postings and asked if i should stop and no one did. I couldn’t stand the horrendous speculations out there when this started with a vicious racial attack and no investigation to date after a gosip frenzy= that ended and none has talked for 50+ years. Its had a major affect on the ;soul’ of a city and now has encompassed the world. I can;t get past the fundraisers in the birther movements and everyone has believed so much speculations that an eye witness and truth is not wanted as millions have been made off of the false story.I make no money from this. My motivation is a his real dad that looked at me for a plea for help as a class mate of mine as gossip was getting out of control and I did nothing, not realizing that Ann was a second cousin as she was using the fake family name of Dunham.in 1/71, I was handled by his maternal grandmother to not mention Toepka to him and so, its time to not walk away again and Ll I can do is ask for tose with the wherewith all to get the records. and talk to the witnesses. This cover up in Toepka Ks didn’t start in 08, it started 50+ years ago. Much of my extended family has had little contact with them over the years and mostly due to his maternal grandmother..Lot of ideology and other things plus only a few around him were Freemasons, as rest of family was not.-all the tings that separate family, plus geography. And as most, he was;t part of our lives as much extended families aren’t;. No real excuse for unfinished business, but others had it too, But, I;m alive and but I walked away twice and must not do it again. This n;t ‘interesting’ Its tragic truth. And the whole world is mixed up in it now. Please tell your children the basics of what they need to know in a world where your papers and records have to be in order. Plus even babies have memory and ‘things’ need to make sense and do’;t when the bio is a lie. Why was Marilyn ( Madeline) so scared to death for her daughter and gran son to set up this elaborate fake bio, when my dad had done the socially acceptable, got her a husband, although they didn’t live together and what else was needed? If it were not for the ;self righteous people ) and a society that ostracized an unwed teenage mother,ho had no chance to marry the father or figure out what else to do before the murder changed everything. I pray there is a death bed confession to put closure on this. .Linda Joy Adams
Obamas’ father never applied for US citizenship and never became a US citizen. That has absolutely no effect because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and Obama was born in Hawaii.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
That’s just a few of the opinions, most of which stem from the key US Supreme Court ruling, Wong Kim Ark, which ruled that EVERY child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is Natural Born.
And there have been LOTS of lower-court rulings, all stemming from the Wong Kim Ark ruling, which have stated that the US-born children of foreigners are Natural Born Citizens, due to their natural birth, birth in America.
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
The real Dad’s name as never been publicized and he was USA citizenship and Dad was in the military ad I blogged, he may have been born in US Military hospital in Germany. He died in a racial attack on the couple and marriage to obama Sir, or convenience of both at 7 months pregnant rebuts the presumption that the husband is the father. If you have any direct access to Sheriff Joe, please let him know of my eyewitness accounts that were common knowledge at the time in Toepka ks and tell ham I can;t get passed his fund raisers and I have no money to give any one on this and I make money from this and not asking for anything but other eye witnesses be allowed to come forward and tell what they know. Very few have. Doesn’t;t help to have three open cold case murders form 50+ years ago and murderers gone free for 50+ years. I have no published the name, but I knew him as a classmate in Boswell Jr HS and Toepka Ks and and he and Ann never had a chance to plan their future and he not to have one as that decision was taken from them by those with terrible racial hatred and very ugly what can happen when gossip gets out of control. You do have valid point about ssn;s in that SSA has to have an investigative file on this and Congress needs to hold congressional hearings on rampant corruption that has been on going at the highest levels of the agency, my employer for several years and the system being insecure that contains our records on top of that which has be proved on my case.The original owner of the ssn of the man who dies wold have applied for the number in the Ct office, No More than that. How does any one get a hold of another;s ssn in this country? All the truth of birth in Topeka etc should have been vetted and voters had a right to decide if it mattered. As an employee of SSA since 1968, there is no way he is using someone else;s number now, I would not have access to any info on this, but just ca;t legally happens unless there is internal corruption at the highest level which my personal situation and others well shows is and has occurred.Michael Astrue has the authority to stop any criminal investigation as head of the agency and did he? or a former Commissioner? Al Qaeda got the whole data bank of SN;s an all personal info on everyone with a number back in 7/88 and we were under HHS then and they wouldn’t stop Delores Bryant committing the biggest beach of security in the history of SSA. Congress where are you ON over site. The Deputy Comm, appointed and confirmed by the Us Senate in 2010 is expected to be asked to be confirmed but nothing yet. Good opportunity in her confirmation hearings to ask her what she would do to correct the corruption at the highest levels that is well documented. Linda Joy Adams
The answer to the question how could Stanley give birth in Hawaii in August when the University of Washington classes started in Augusts is because that is wrong. The University of Washington classes did not start in August. They started in late September. LATE September.
(1) his Hawaii birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive
thats funny, i just read about obama sr being a foreign exchange student yesterday, and i believe that was stated by his half brother.
Scroll up and ask Ellen. She has all the answers!
RE: LindaJoyAdams Is there any way to get a pic of Obama’s real father? I found this link . Obama looks like Frank Marshall Davis to me and others.
Please don;t speculate about Davis and some of the others as its is another reason I went public. He Topeka Paper may have some pictures, but he was a class mate of mine at Boswell Jr HS and at Topeka HS Many probably have pics. II lost my 1961 yearbook and the one online is so small I can;t make it out, but think he;s in there with the Boys Glee Club and I looked on the football team pictures and they must have taken these after he had to quit over the racial frenzy. He was one of the first sports students to play on an integrated team at Topeka, HS its as if once he went under the water, he was never mentioned again and not listed in the yearbook at All( lke Moses wrtten out of the histroy of the city, yet the father of our president) as a separate entity. His name has never been in the public, yet ;everyone’ at he time knew who the couple were. This is a truly ugly past and its not resolved yet. I have decided to never publish the name afor two reason. one is the president may not know yet, and t Dads extended family may not have known she was pregnant yet. They were sitting on the banks of the Ks river trying to make decisions when they got attacked according to my mother whom Ann told. My mother had gdnshp of her and didn’t share much until the bodies washed up on a sand bar much later and she just ran through the house to Dad screaming. I tried so hard to get the cold passe for Sheriff Joe to get to Toepka last 1 Oct when the 1962 class reunion was held for Toepka Ks and try to see if anyone would talk i private. You don;t understand all gossip and talk stopped 50+ years ago. When the bodies washed up( his name is listed and eh Editor of the Toepka Capital Journal wouldn;t;t even let her reporters go check the archives for the articles last year as I wonted to get a copy for he other details. We took the evening paper the Topeka Journal and it wasn’t even on the first page.) The bodes washed up before s6/62, and after Ann had left to start HS at Mercer island in 9/61 as my roommate form Ohio who was staying wit her grandmother in Ks for the summer was my roommate at K State Music camp and asked if I knew any of them and i said yes, but I didn’t speak much about it either. It was scary to talk abot being so close to the situation and murderers roaming free. She’s now Sec of HHS.. The other reaosn is I didn;t o a DNA test, so comon knowedlge by ;everyone and my mother direct form Ann who was gdn at he time.until marriage but she still took care of her. until the next realtives took over in Wa
i believe ellen is has got to be getting paid for all the stuff she keeps pasting and posting.
Re a certificate of live birth not being a birth certificate. It is.
A certificate of life birth is a fancy name for a birth certificate. The birth certificate that Mitt Romney showed is a certificate of live birth. The long-form birth certificate that Obama showed is certificate of live birth, The short-form birth certificate that Obama showed is called a Certification of live birth. It is currently the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues regularly and it is used by THOUSANDS of people every year to get their US passports.
Re: “As a baby, the little bastid was legally adopted by an Indonesian government thug…’
Obama was never adopted, which requires the action of a district court in Indonesia, and no such court papers have ever been shown, and he certainly was never an Indonesian citizen, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm.
Obama’s mother never had an Indonesian passport (nor did Obama) as a call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm.
Re: “A private American citizen wasn’t allowed to enter Pakistan on a U.S. passport at that time. ”
Answer: Whatever gave you that nutty idea. In 1982, when Obama went to Pakistan, it was perfectly legal for any US citizen to visit Pakistan using an ordinary US passport, and US newspapers even ran travel articles recommending visiting “scenic Lahore.”
Re: ” Soebarkah” and for that matter “Soetoro.” Since Obama never legally changed his name, it remains Obama. Yes, he did use the name Soetoro when he was in Indonesia, but he never legally changed his name to Soetoro, nor was he adopted; he simply used that name (and i used an Asian name when I lived in Asia too, for convenience). So his name remains Obama.
someone mentioned Hartford Courant newspaper, funny on that issue, because I was reading their paper on sandy hook, and they stated those 7, not 6 children in soto’s class hid in the cupboards until police came and found them, and according to all newscasters, papers and online articles, and that gene’s interview, those 6 kids were at his driveway from soto’s class….but anyways, back to the topic.
A child born on US soil, is a US Citizen, regardless of who the parents are, hence why we have so many illegals who obtain gov’t benefit assistance. The mother comes here, has her baby, and her baby is entitled to benefits and thus benefiting the mother as well, food stamps, money, medical and housing.
Any baby born on US bases around the world, are US citizens, since it is considered US soil. If they happen to have a child off US soil abroad they have to obtain documentation to bring that baby back to the USA. I worked with a lady who was in the Army, and she ended up have her baby off the base, and she could not bring her son home, even though she was in the US Military, she had to provide all kind of documentation to the German gov’t and our Military in order to bring her son home. And for you nay sayers out there, maybe if you youtube michelle obama, she is giving a speech, talking about they went back to his home country, Kenya. Your home country is where you were born.
If things like this didn’t come out in their little speeches, and him hiding his records, no one would be questioning. If you remember back in 08 elections, McCain and Palin had to submit thousands of records, the MSM was all over them to release them, and they scoured those boxes for days looking for something. Obama only gave a 1 page report from his doctor saying he was in good health, compared to thousands of documents. wake up people, see the difference in how the MSM treats the dem party and how they will do anything to make sure nothing bad comes out about any of them.
things are said and done on purpose, we are the puppets. Magazine with his pic stating the “second coming”, and now the right is talking about it and so are the faith based people. hollywood elite stating, lord and savior and many more other talking/debate topics.
His speech stating he will not take our 2nd amendment rights away, and now there is new gun legislation, and by executive order I might add. If you go back through his speeches from being a Senator to now, you will see, his talking points, gives you an indication of what the future holds for us, and what they plan on doing. Everything these libs/dems say, will always be the opposite of something in the future. Pay attention if you wish, but those who are in the reality world know their patterns and talking points to know what will happen later on down the line.
Good post. Thank you. Being he was not elected in either election, but placed in office by voter fraud the Democrats will take control of Congress after the 2014 election. Then Obama will appoint his Supreme Court Justices and that will be the last nail in the US coffin!
Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
The “born in Kenya” story is probably the nuttiest of birther myths. Michelle Obama never said any such thing. She said Kenya was his homecountry or homeland, meaning the place where his ancestors came from.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
Obama was elected in both the 2008 and 2012 elections. If there had been significant voter fraud, John McCain and Sarah Palin and MItt Romney and Paul Ryan, and Ann Coulter and the National Review and the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it. Not one of them made any such claim.
Though we have not yet reached the level of financial staying power to file the federal criminal complaint and finish that fight, we have received enough support to take the preliminary actions needed to secure the foundations for that action.
As a result, we are pleased to inform our supporters that we will begin by taking the following actions over the next few days and weeks.
We are filing for the release of all FEC files concerning the illegal campaign funding of the 2012 Obama-Biden Campaign.
We are accepting sworn affidavits from witnesses to Voter Fraud in the 2012 presidential election.
We are filing for all records concerning overseas campaign funds, third party fund-raisers, and overseas money laundering connected to the Obama-Biden Campaign.
We are filing for all files concerning how many votes came from the 2 million illegal aliens given temporary status by Obama just ahead of the election.
We are filing for the release of records concerning DNC “get out the vote” tactics and fraudulent votes
We are filing for all records concerning the missing Military Vote in 2012
We are filing for the release of ALL investigative records concerning the events in Benghazi
We are filing for the list of New York gun-owners published in New York papers and online news sites and accepting affidavits from people injured by that release of private information.
Additional filings are being prepared, all of which will be used as evidence in a criminal complaint. The complaint will seek Grand Jury investigations and indictments in numerous jurisdictions, where we have solid evidence of criminal activity by the DNC and Obama-Biden Campaign.
I am sure you are ready aware of these links, but just in case.I hope this can help.
Great post! OK to share your links with other kindred spirits?
I would be happy if you or anyone else would post them anywhere they can. Facebook, Twitter, friends neighbors, etc I have a feeling that voter fraud will place the Democrats in power after the 2014 election. Then Obama will appoint his Supreme Court Justices and that will be the last nail the Ajmericans coffin.
Even if it turns out that obama is a legitimate American-born citizen, I still want him removed. I don’t care if they use bogus charges and fabricated evidence. This crap bag is evil and needs to go. Why not use the same tactics that the progressives and MSM use when they seek to destroy a public figure? All’s fair in love, war and the survival of a nation.
An example of how truthful birthers are. “I don’t care if they use bogus charges and fabricated evidence.”
If you try to use bogus charges and fabricated evidence, we, the 65 million voters who voted for Obama will find it out and reveal it. Birthers have tried for the last four years to use to bogus charge that Obama was not born in the USA, and they also even fabricated “evidence”—such as the forged “Kenyan birth certificate” and the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (when she said right on the taped interview that he was born IN HAWAII, and their claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged are bogus as well. And all of this has not worked. In fact, it has boomeranged and hurt conservative candidates, who get the reputation of being as nutty and as willing to use bogus charges as the birthers.
It will turn out that Obama is a legitimate American-born US citizen. In fact, it has ALREADY been shown overwhelmingly that he is a legitimate American-born US citizen. That is because he really and truly was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii shows.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
There is a simple reason why Obama’s SS number failed E-Verify. When someone publishes your SS number, it is normal to cancel it and get a new one because someone else could use that number. So, when the check on E-Verify was made, the SS number had already been cancelled. That is all.
Linda Jordon said she ran the SSN that Obama was using right now (4:19) Not one that had been changed or used in the past. So anyone who does not agree with what you believe is a liar?
Obama is not eligible to get into the FBI nor the CIA. but can be POTUS. In fact I do not think he could not pass a back ground check to get into the Military or any job that requires a back ground check. Of course he could get a job in the agriculture fields picking fruit, planting, pulling weeds etc. I seriously doubt he would last a week, because he has never had earn money, because he has been taken care of all his life. Never had to worry about getting a job or doing any physical labor. Even if he was born in the US he is still not eligible to be POTUS!
Re: “Linda Jordon said she ran the SSN that Obama was using right now (4:19)”
Then she is lying. How do we know? Because Obama has not revealed the SS number that he is using right now. He only revealed the SS number that he was using long ago.
Re: “Obama is not eligible to get into the FBI nor the CIA. but can be POTUS.
Re: “. Even if he was born in the US he is still not eligible to be POTUS!”
Dream on. He was born in the USA, in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the public Index Data file, and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show. And that alone is sufficient to make him a Natural Born US citizen because the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth–not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion. [The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]
On this forum, is there ANY way to “IGNORE” disinformation-pushers
ellen a.k.a. Ellen and WWW1, i.e., to set those trolls’ usernames to ignore?
Sure there is. Don’t comment on their comments.
Response to MInute Man: many questions and no one is going for the truth in Topeka Ks where there are volumes of records to answer all these: birth records, marriage to Obama Sr a couple of months before birth arranged be my Dad who married them and the death records of the real Dad whose name has never been in the media ans the past name itself put any one with that name in danger from KKK and their types 50+ years ago. There are three unsolved murders in Topeka ks, including his and that;s why a teenage interracial couple never had a chance to figure out what they would do when they discovered themselves pregnant as both were attacked and three ended up dead. There are family court records of the gdnshp signed over to my mother that Fred Phelps at Westboro Baptist had on her and many others? and why all these super smart young teens sent to Topeka ks in the first place? Was there a Psy ops of craeting manchurian type leaders for the New world order? and Ann, the presidents mother ran off from it? I only heard rumors groing up! There are school records and its goes on and on including newspaper articles and announcements. I;m hundreds of mile form Kansas and don;t have money o go and search libraries, and other records. and ,the few calls I made and our son made some, found most witnesses scared. Murders and those that instigated it have gone free for 50+ years. Justice has been delayed and that is the root ill of the whole sordid mess and why we have a President that doesn’t know who he was. REAL FEAR of many kinds and form many sources used the immediate family to do this. My parents did what was socially acceptable and helped her through the pregnancy and got her a marriage certificate. Why was there more some thought needed to occur? Now, a well intentioned citizen, Linda Jordan went to court in Washington state and ended up fined $13,000 when Orly Taitz Only got a tongue lashing becaue neither came into court with a smidgen of eveidence that is needed. like the newspaper articles form Toepka ks in the Topeka Journal and I assume were also in the Morning aper The Capital, also. I remember seeing announcement in the paper, but no access. EYEYWITNESSES ARE BEING CAST OFF TO HIDE SOMETHING MORE THAN A BIRTH? An eyewitness, would allow a judge to ask for a subpoena or court order for the actual records , etc. Not being an attorney but being around laws and procedures since 1968 and raised to understand legal matters form my Dad, there are some simple steps all the birthers are leaving out in going to court. and getting any where. Does any one have the search engine one pays for to see if the Topeka Journal archives on it? Linda Joy Adams, eye witness to circumstances of origins of the President Obama in Toepka ks
To bobmann101: Being an employee of Social seciurity since 1968, I’ve known the system well. If this is all true, and the face of the evidence out there is that this did happen, then there has to be an investigative file , If Afiflaited computer servicese, govt contractor hasn’t destroyed it along with my personnel files and hearing files.. Currently Id theft is shared with the govt contractor for the Federal trade commission, Lockeheed Martin. But the BIGGER PPICTURE is that the law enforcment inside the federal agencies is very flawed. Initially when the Office of inspector general system was set up as a repsonse to Watergate in 1974, each agency had an office to investigate cirmes, but there was also an office in the US justice dept that they could go to if there was obstruciion by or if they were having to invesitigate high level officials or needed to coordinate with OIG’s in other federal agencies. This got changed in a very bad way.
What we’ve had for 30 years is a poiticized, deadly, mess. The plitical appointees in an agency decide if there is going to be an investigaton or if any one is refrerred for prosecution. Even regional heads of agencies are political appointees and they can stop an FBI invesitigation of a terrorist attack by Al queda and did in our office in 1/89 after a cybe attack by Osama Bin laden in 7/88 when he , hired by Deloes Bryant’ who gave him access to the entire financial reoords of everyone wo had an SSN, was not stopped by HHS oig; The security clearances had not been completed yet for this to happen. We were part of HHS at the ime. She got promoted a couple of times fort he good job of covering up murder, attempted murders of us and my co workers Even Oha compiance officer had a career endig event when she tried to investigiate by asking her reigional ofoicals for court orders to even check the furnace in the Hartz Mountain builidng 2 Journal Square, 9Th Floor Jersey City Nj, called the ADP building.. But FBI was not allowed to investigate and when the 9.11 commisisin asked for records the FBI destroyed them, including what I had given them and could get no asisiance either, after it became known in the late 90′s who this guy was, as I had not known he was a terrorist,. In 7.88 we , as SSA employees knew little about any of this. He introduced himself to 90 SSA emplyees with coreect name and cllaimed he had worked for the CIA for 2 years and his mother was a us citizen so he could work for the federal govt.
OIG system is a farce and we are at war over it and trtilions of taxpayer dollars are missing too. So as poeple ask Congress for investiigation of the Pres’s ssn’s, etc., better to ask for an invesitigation and reworking of the enitie federal law enforcement system. IT DOESN:T WORK TO STOP terrible crimes. It may work on a few scam artists, but often not unitl it has gotten to hundredsof millions of dollars of theft and they ‘brag’ abput it. They should be ashamed as we used to stop this kind of theft long before it got that bad as we respected those trying to report and checked things out If the system isnt working, we can change it so that accountablility is restored that used to exist. . Osama Bin Ladin should have been sotpeed in 7/88 when HHS OIg had the call to stop his access to our personal reoccods. Linda Joy Adams, eyewitness to many events
If he was really born in Hawaii why was he getting student loans as a foreign student? Let me guess…mmmmm….missprint….
Ok, here is some other issues to consider. 1. Besides the birth certificate issue the woman who verified it just died in a plane crash, and the only one out of 8 or 9 people on board. 2. SS# is a big issue as when the name Harry Bournel was ran it just so happens to be a great uncle of his wife Michelle. 3. His schooling is a HUGE issue as he went to school in Indonesia and you cannot hold duel citizenship with the USA and Indonesia and you have to be a citizen of Indonesia to attend school in that country, so he would have to have given up citizenship in the USA to attend school there thus making him not eligible to be President as he would be naturalized coming back to the USA.
So after all this, why seal ALL of his records? Why not open them and show the world he did not attend college on a foreign student. He has too many issues with his birth certificate, SS#, selective service records, school transcripts, travel to a country that American’s couldn’t enter with a US passport during the time he traveled yet a citizen of Indonesia could. If he wants the speculation to stop then show the proof, his sealing records just makes him look guilty as all get out.
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