Despite the mainstream media ignoring the Obama eligibility issue, Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation is moving forward and a blockbuster revelation may be in the works.
Despite the mainstream media ignoring the Obama eligibility issue, Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation is moving forward and a blockbuster revelation may be in the works.
Let’s hope so. It has been one disappointment after another. The Judges have sullied their oaths, betrayed the Constitution and assisted in the demise of America. I can not believe there are so many complicit Communists or cowards living in America.
There is that word that gets us all in so much trouble…believe.
That does not get us into trouble. It’s the non-believers that get us into trouble.
where is the legal evidence?…he is an illegal alien…he shouldn’t hold the office and he is running the country into the ground….Time for the truth…never give up!
Why has someone waited 4 plus years to call him on his identify theft or sealed records. Why was he allowed to seal his papers. They need to change the laws of this country. If you went to apply for a job and the manager asked for your college transcripts, your SS #, your past work records, etc… and you said…. Sorry.. but those records are sealed. Wouldnt you (the manager) wonder why a man would SEAL his records…. or did you in Congress NOT ask cause he’s a BLACK man and you didnt want to be called a RACIST?
Do you honestly thing if you were asking for a job at Noddum Records , this would be allowed? Are you crazy….. no one would give you five more minutes of the Manager’s time. Yet who ever questioned Obama… (congress, Im sure) ALLOWED him to get by without showing ONE THING about himself to the highest office in the land. This literally BLOWS MY MIND !!!
Even when I applied for a job at 7-11 when I was younger, I had to take a polygraph test in order to work there. EVERYBODY who worked there had to take one….. and Obama gets by with not even showingh is RECORDS, much less taking a POLYGRAPH! I wish Congress would pass a law now.. that anyone who is running for President, V President, and all the offices below that take a POLYGRAPH test. This must be mandatory!!!
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, the short form and the long form, and the officials of Hawaii of BOTH political parties have confirmed that they sent the birth certificates to Obama and thaa the facts on the copy of the long form that the White House published are EXACTLY the same as on the copy in their files. And this is further confirmed by the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send notices to that section of the newspaper).
Some FACTS:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
(I’ll bet no birther site ever showed you that.)
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
And here is the Kenyan government’s statement on the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya:
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Oh, and BTW, Obama has not “sealed” anything. His college records are protected by ordinary state and federal privacy laws that have been in place for decades, and he does not have to show them—and no president has ever shown his college transcripts, and neither Romney nor McCain did.
First they said the long form was destroyed in a fire, now they present one that’s supposed to be real but proven a fake. Come on Ellen. Are you aware that in 1961 Hawaii was but a 2 year old state and all you had to do to get an American birth certificate was claim your child was born there Are you aware the birth certificate from 1961 is not the same as the one Obama shared as his real BC?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_the_barack_obama_birth_cer.html
http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105347/
You won’t see those on any liberal web sites.
I would like to see your link to the SCOTUS case that identifies a person born in the USA, regardless of parents citizenship, is considered a natural born American. You see, the biggest problem with this whole issue is SCOTUS nor Congress has narrowed down what natural born citizen actually means. According to your definition, any child born here is automatically an American regardless where the parents are from. So a visiting couple who has a child born in America have an American kid when they return home. I believe some foreign nationals would have a serious problem with your definition. You should read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Congressional_Research_Service before you reply again that SCOTUS has made it clear what a natural born citizen is.
Ellen, seriously, don’t you think you have repeated yourself enough? By now, I am certain everyone following this post is aware of the fact that you are overwhelmingly “thrilled” with your president and seemingly, you are obsessed with your adoration of the proven-to-be “pro-Obama
biased” media.
Ellen, are you familiar with the difference between FACT slash OPINION? Also, most of us understand the “cause and effect” results of events. Please note that the majority of these comments, regarding Mr Obama, clearly are statements expressing the proven-to-be-effects of his being in the WH. Americans are deeply “Affected” by his choice to “turn his back” on our God-given rights. That will, likely, invite you to do some critical thinking. God is good, Ellen;
He is speaking to all of us. Pray for all in government and the media to, at least, give us the truth.
Keep dreamin’ Raymen. Obama is a fraud.
Also I am proud to be a birther. I like “T” as well, real “T” that is. No players in “T” to scout it out. Just good old “T”.
Replying to SemperFi:
Re: “First they said the long form was destroyed in a fire,”
Answer: They never said any such thing.
Re: Are you aware that in 1961 Hawaii was but a 2 year old state …”
Answer: Yes.
Re: ‘and all you had to do to get an American birth certificate was claim your child was born there.”
Answer: That is FALSE. In 1961 Hawaii did not give out birth certificates to children who were born outside of Hawaii. That was not allowed until 1982, and even now it does not allow the birth certificate to lie about the place of birth, and Obama’s birth certificate says that he was born in KAPIOLANI HOSPITAL (which BTW did exist at the time) and that is in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Re: “Are you aware the birth certificate from 1961 is not the same as the one Obama shared as his real BC?”
Answer: Obama has shown both the short form and the long form and the facts on BOTH of them have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of both parties. Moreover, the officials of BOTH parties have said that they sent the BCs to Obama, and they have said that the short form and long form are REAL. They are the real official copies of Obama’s BC.
This citation, btw, does not work: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_the_barack_obama_birth_cer.html
http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105347/
Re: I would like to see your link to the SCOTUS case that identifies a person born in the USA, regardless of parents citizenship, is considered a natural born American. “
Answer: Here are the actual words of the Wong Kim Ark SCOTUS ruling:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.” (
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html)
As you can see, that clearly says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, and that every child born in England was a Natural Born Subject, and that the same rule applied in the 13 colonies and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. That ruling says that a person born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen. There is NO mention of parents affecting the matter AT ALL.
That is why Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, had this in his book:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Re: “You see, the biggest problem with this whole issue is SCOTUS nor Congress has narrowed down what natural born citizen actually means. “
Answer: As you can see, SCOTUS has actually defined Natural Born Citizen, and it refers to the PLACE of birth, not the citizenship of the parents.
Re; “According to your definition, any child born here is automatically an American regardless where the parents are from. So a visiting couple who has a child born in America have an American kid when they return home. “
Answer. That is what I say, and what Meese says, and what the US Supreme Court said in the Wong Kim Ark case, and what these rulings say:
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):
“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
AND there was Ankeny v. Gov State of Indiana, which ruled:
“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are ‘natural born citizens’ for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
And what about six or eight other rulings say, and NO ruling (not even Minor v. Happersett) has ever said that two citizen parents (or even one) are required to be a Natural Born US Citizen.
Re: You should read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Congressional_Research_Service before you reply again that SCOTUS has made it clear what a natural born citizen is.
I have read it. You should read:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
And:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
And:
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
And:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
Replying to govoge, who said ” you are overwhelmingly “thrilled” with your president and seemingly, you are obsessed with your adoration of the proven-to-be “pro-Obama
biased” media.”
Answer. I am not particularly thrilled with Obama. He simply was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born US citizen. YOU may think that either or both of those are not true, but they are, and one proof of it is that Obama will be sworn in for his second term this month. Another proof is that birthers were not able to convince A SINGLE MEMBER of the US Electoral College, which has 532 members, to change their votes to vote against Obama either in the 2008 and or 2012 elections. Not one single elector was convinced either that Obama was born out side of the USA or that the two-parent theory affects Natural Born Citizen status.
IN addition to the beliefs of these people, Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and the National Review all hold that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born US citizen. In addition to THEIR beliefs there are the simple facts that Obama has shown his birth certificate, short form and long form, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) say that the facts on them are accurate and that Obama was really born in Hawaii. And that is further confirmed by the public Index Data file, and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and by the teacher who wrote home.
My citation doesn’t work? The link is perfectly fine! Or are you saying it doesn’t work for you? Yeah, that’s what most left wing, can’t do research, has to say about it. All you can do is repeat what you’re told and use the links they provide. That’s not research Ellen, that’s aping your political party.
As for the name of the hospital, I spent a week in that hospital. Having grown up in Hawaii I’m well aware of the hospital, it’s name, it’s name change, and what a Hawaiian birth certificate contains. You need to do some homework. I don’t care how many liberals claim the BC is real. The other side as you put it is simply agreeing off the word of a liberal. Obama was NEVER vetted for the position. That point was LOUDLY proclaimed and what brought about the issue of vetting future candidates. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is going to be done about it now because too many people don’t want to admit their failure.
Have you even looked at the BC Obama posted on the white house web site? I don’t believe it’s there anymore, but when it was, you could see every alteration made because it was saved as layers before it was merged. If you don’t know what that means, look it up. I personally saw the layers from the BC downloaded from the white house web site. IT’S FAKE! On that document are words that say you and I will go to jail for altering the document. Obama has put himself above the law.
Instead of defending the liar, you should be extremely pissed off that he would lie straight to your face! Get a grip on reality! The truth is easily found with a little effort from your computer and yet you ignore it because of your politics, just like the rest of the DC crew who choose to ignore Obama’s flagrant lies and breaking the law.
Tomorrow, he will break the law again. I can only hop the Representative from TX stands true to his word and begins impeachment proceedings from the tyrant in the white house as well as the vice tyrant! Wake up girl, you’re being DUPED!
Replying to SemperFI again:
“My citation doesn’t work? The link is perfectly fine! ‘
Answer: Sorry, it must have been down at the time. I have read it. It is not correct. in 1961 no child born outside of Hawaii could receive a Hawaii birth certificate. That was not allowed until 1982, and that applied to amended and late birth certificate too—which does not apply to Obama because both would have to be stated on the birth certificate, and neither was.
Re: “Obama was NEVER vetted for the position…”
Answer. We are in agreement. Obama was never vetted. Neither was Bush, neither was Clinton or Gore or Romney or Reagan. There is no law that says that a candidate has to be vetted. However, if the question is where Obama was born, that is known for sure. He was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties, etc etc, all show.
Re: ” I personally saw the layers from the BC downloaded from the white house web site. IT’S FAKE…”
Answer: Again, despite your screaming, PDF uses layers and it is supposed to use layers.
Re: ” On that document are words that say you and I will go to jail for altering the document.”
Answer. Once again, it is not altered, as these experts say:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Re: ” Get a grip on reality! The truth is easily found with a little effort from your computer and yet you ignore it because of your politics….”
Answer: I’m not ignoring the facts. YOU are. You are under the impression that because birther experts told you that there would not be layers or that the document was altered it must be true that there would not be layers and the document was altered. In fact layers are normal and the document was not altered.
Re: ” I can only hop the Representative from TX stands true to his word and begins impeachment proceedings from the tyrant in the white house as well as the vice tyrant!”
Answer: The evidence is overwhelming that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii, and is in fact a Natural Born US citizen.
The fact that birthers claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by the fact that people who hate Obama make claims against him for their own motives. Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere. But you have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
Ellen,
From one of your other posts it seems you are aware of M Apuzzo.
While he and John Woodman had a dust-up about Natural Born Citizen, I notice that you have chosen to ignore a recent Apuzzo post which addresses the Wong case and states
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So Wong decided only the “citizen” part of Wong’s status. It never decided whether he also had the “natural born” part. The Court cautioned in its opinion in the beginning and at its end that it was only deciding whether Wong was a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment and also informed us under what limited conditions (born in the U.S. to alien parents who were domiciled and residing in the U.S. and not employed in some foreign diplomatic capacity) it ruled that he was. Hence, a Wong “citizen of the United States” at birth is not to be conflated or confounded with an Article II “natural born Citizen.”
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
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Your arguments to refute Minor v. Happersett have been challenged by an authority much more qualified than I.Mr Apuzzo has impeccable credentials.
Now, having said that, I am objective enough ( perhaps stupidly?) to introduce dialogue from your John Woodman who states
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On the other hand, Wong Kim Ark WAS fundamentally (and very, very clearly) about citizenship — and the Court not only declared Wong Kim Ark to be a “citizen,” they ALSO declared EVERY child in his EXACT situation to be “NATURAL” and “NATURAL BORN.”
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
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Both arguments are seemingly convincing.
I’m sure you choose Woodman.
Before I accept Woodman I would like to see the Language in Wong which gives Mr Woodman the liberty to conflate or confound a Wong “citizen of the United States” at birth with an Article II “natural born Citizen.”
Will you kindly oblige?
Ellen,
you said
….or the absurd legal theory that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born US citizen.
WOW!
What authority do you have to judge a Supreme Court finding absurd?
Please don’t tell me about the 1st Amendment… or i’ll have to change my question to
What authority do you have to credibly judge a Supreme Court finding absurd?
Replying to My911:
Re: “From one of your other posts it seems you are aware of M Apuzzo.”
I am. I used to debate with him on his site. He stopped allowing me to post.
What makes you think that he is a great constitutional authority? What makes you think that his opinion is right when Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and Senators Hatch and Graham and former Senator Fred Thompson and eight state courts and one federal court all say that he is wrong? What makes you think that he is right when the words in the Wong Kim Ark case—which btw was AFTER Minor v. Happersett—clearly say that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth and that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats.
Re: ‘So Wong decided only the “citizen” part of Wong’s status. It never decided whether he also had the “natural born” part. “
Answer: The Wong Kim Ark case was indeed a citizenship case. The matter that had to be decided was whether or not Wong was a citizen, and the court decided that he was a citizen. The court never said that Wong was a Natural Born Citizen. It did not have to. It decided what a Natural Born Citizen is, and Wong happens to fall into that definition.
It is that definition that is important. It is the reason why seven state courts and one federal court have all ruled that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen do simply to his place of birth (and in fact the US Supreme Court turned down a birther appeal of one of those cases on October 1, leaving the ruling of the lower court standing). In fact, NINE courts in total (one ruling on John McCain) have all accepted that the key Supreme Court ruling is Wong Kim Ark, not Minor v. Happersett, and all NINE agreeing that the Wong Kim Ark ruling really did define Natural Born Citizen and that it had ruled that the meaning refers to the place of birth, not the parents.
Apuzzo simply keeps repeating that the Wong Kim Ark case did not decide what it actually DID decide. Well, you can decide for yourself. Here are its words:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
Please tell me if you disagree that those words say that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that the same rule was used in England, and in the 13 colonies and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
That is indeed what it says. And that, of course is why the NINE courts ruled the way that they did, and why Meese and Graham and Hatch said what they said. Apuzzo just keeps on saying that they are wrong. Well, it is he who is wrong, and besides, he doesn’t get to decide, the courts do, and when the US Supreme Court turned down a birther appeal of one of those nine court cases on October 1, it decided again that the ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case applies and that it stands.
Re: “Mr Apuzzo has impeccable credentials.”
Answer: What are his credentials? What makes his credentials better than Meese and Hatch and Graham and the NINE state and federal courts?
Re: “Before I accept Woodman I would like to see the Language in Wong which gives Mr Woodman the liberty to conflate or confound a Wong “citizen of the United States” at birth with an Article II “natural born Citizen.”
Answer: I have already shown it. Here it is AGAIN:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
Once again, please tell me if you disagree that those words say that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that the same rule was used in England, and in the 13 colonies and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
Re: “What authority do you have to judge a Supreme Court finding absurd?
Please don’t tell me about the 1st Amendment… or i’ll have to change my question to
What authority do you have to credibly judge a Supreme Court finding absurd?”
Answer. What is absurd is the birther myth that the Minor v. Happersett case actually RULED on the matter. It didn’t. It merely said that Virginia Minor, the plaintiff in the case, had every possible criterion for being a Natural Born US Citizen. And it said that it was never doubted that a person who had every possible way of being a Natural Born Citizen was, duh, without question a Natural Born Citizen.
But, and you can ask Apuzzo about this, it DOES NOT SAY that having every possible criterion for being a Natural Born Citizen is required in order to be a Natural Born US citizen. It only said that for sure if you had both criteria—birth in the country and citizen parents—you are without any doubt a Natural Born Citizen. Well, sure. That is logically correct. If you wear both suspenders AND a belt, you will for sure hold your pants up. But you are not required to wear both suspenders and a belt to hold your pants up.
So, what is the bottom line. (1) Neither the Minor v. Happersett case or any other US Supreme Court case ever said that having citizen parents is required in order to be a Natural Born US Citizen. (2) IF Minor had said any such thing, the Wong Kim Ark case was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, and it clearly said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth (and Obama was born in Hawaii).
Would you like me to show you quotations from some of the NINE state and federal courts that have all agreed that the meaning was defined in the Wong Kim Ark case? And there have been good articles in The Economist and the Wall Street Journal, all saying that the two-parent theory is nutty. Remember also that although you are allowed to wear both suspenders and a belt—–and for sure if you do, you will certainly hold your pants up, but you are not required to wear both. AND in fact the Minor v. Happersett case never said that having both citizen parents and birth in the country was REQUIRED for Natural Born Citizen status. Apuzzo is pulling your chain.
And, you have seen the words of the Wong Kim Ark case, shown twice above, and that should be sufficient.
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You have been sadly mininformed. This Obama is a foreign agent in our White House. As lord Monckton said there is only ONE in 62.5 quintillion chances that Obama is eligible to be President based upon all the factual evidence presented. This man used MATHMATICS to prove this. There is NO way Obama is eligible to be President. Mathmatics do not lie.
However close or far ellen is to obama,
at least the citizen’s are getting some (small) return from their taxes
in this scheme of entertainment.
ellen is at least persistent.
As one a tiny bit familiar with Pattern Recognition Coding,
I would enjoy reviewing ellen’s source code.
ellen?… will you please post it?
Re: “As lord Monckton said there is only ONE in 62.5 quintillion chances that Obama is eligible to be President based upon all the factual evidence presented. This man used MATHMATICS to prove this. There is NO way Obama is eligible to be President. Mathmatics do not lie.”
What Lord Monckton did was to take the dozen or so birther lies and compute the probability of Obama’s birth certificate being forged BASED ON ALL THE LIES BEING CORRECT. But every single one of them is a lie. That is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe them. That is why Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan,. Ron Paul and John McCain, and Gingrich and Santorum do not believe them. They are lies from people who claim to be experts (but have not shown any evidence) and from people who hate Obama.
Birther sites have not shown you these experts, have they?
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
So the claims that the birth certificate is forged are false. And so are the claims that Obama was born in a foreign country.
Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama’s two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them. (The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net/?p=541)
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)—-that Obama was born in Hawaii—by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii—-and only the DOH could send those notices. (Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found. (A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him—and that is hardly likely at all.
Some things that show that Obama was NOT born in a foreign country:
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
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WHAT PART OF : NATURAL BORN CITIZEN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ? EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII , HIS FATHER WAS BORN IN KENYA , HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT WITH A FATHER FROM KENYA. HE HAS TO HAVE 2 , COUNT THEM 2 ! NATURAL BORN CITIZENS AS PARENTS , SO YOUR ARGUEMENT IS NULL AND VOID !!!
Replying to alicejustalice:
You said: “WHAT PART OF : NATURAL BORN CITIZEN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ? ”
Answer. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of two (or even one) parents. See cases and citations above.
My question to you: What part of “He was born in Hawaii and the Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen”—do you not understand?
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Bob,
I have tried to “inform” ellen that the King’s law was tossed out with our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
For ellen’s edification…. go to
http://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/jus-soli-origins/
obama may be a 14th amendment citizen… but…
he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
…get off the “location of birth” argument.
His father was a British Subject…. NOT an American Citizen.
obama may have more rights in England than he does in America….
But either way he is just as (IN) eligible to become King of England as he is to become President of America
I am sure you can agree that Ellen is either a robot or an autoresponder keyed to certain words. I love reading her stuff and having a good laugh.
ok bobmann,
To each his own.
your reply was sooooo quick it made me wonder if you are an Auto-Respond-Bot?
Regardless, i take the nobummer coup a bit more serious.
Semper Fi !
Ellen ,
your arguments about law under the King were tossed out with the declaration of Independence.
As to Wong being declared a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN………..I DISAGREE.
I’ll not reply again to your stubborn , illogical, unsupportable, resistance.
Here it is … .
To summarize…. United States argued that Wong is NOT a citizen…. but lost.
Wong was awarded citizenry under the 14th amendment. HE was NOT awarded Natural Born Citizen status. …. check below for the part about WONG
(….Wong Kim Ark, citing and quoting Minor and acknowledging its definition that a “natural-born citizen” was born in the country to citizen parents, in no way disturbed Minor’s definition of a “natural-born citizen,” for it was asked to decide only if Wong was a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. )
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Then United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898) held that a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment is a child born or naturalized in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” but an Article II “natural born Citizen” is a child born in the United States to citizen parents, citing and quoting Minor v. Happersett and its definition of the clause. The question that Minor did not answer, i.e., whether a child born in the United States to alien parents is a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States,” was answered by Wong Kim Ark, wherein the United States argued that a child born in the U.S. to alien parents was not a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. Ruling against the government, Wong Kim Ark declared a child born in the country to domiciled and resident alien parents to be a “citizen of the United States” at birth under the Fourteenth Amendment. Wong Kim Ark, citing and quoting Minor and acknowledging its definition that a “natural-born citizen” was born in the country to citizen parents, in no way disturbed Minor’s definition of a “natural-born citizen,” for it was asked to decide only if Wong was a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment. Wong Kim Ark also allowed Wong to be a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen of the United States” because it found that his parents, while not U.S. citizens, were, among other things, domiciliaries, residents of the United States, and not working in some foreign diplomatic capacity and therefore “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. So Wong decided only the “citizen” part of Wong’s status. It never decided whether he also had the “natural born” part. The Court cautioned in its opinion in the beginning and at its end that it was only deciding whether Wong was a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment and also informed us under what limited conditions (born in the U.S. to alien parents who were domiciled and residing in the U.S. and not employed in some foreign diplomatic capacity) it ruled that he was. Hence, a Wong “citizen of the United States” at birth is not to be conflated or confounded with an Article II “natural born Citizen.”
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Thus, Obama may be a 14th amendment Citizen, but he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
PS …. I NEVER claimed that Apuzzo’s credentials were better than anyone else’s… so STOP reporting things I never said.
It would also be nice if WJ provided at least RTF formatting to help identify/accentuate parts of posts / replies.
I believe ellen has met her match. Thank you.
Blue,
Thank you.
I am always open to new, fresh , ideas that can be / are supported with rational argument.
You have probably noticed the same thing I have, she just keeps repeating the same nonsense.
Blue,
Yes, I have noticed…..repeat……..repeat……repeat.
Previously I commented that if ellen is a bot, I would like to see her source code.
More likely she is a liberal troll with large team supporting her.
In my last post which summarized Minor Happersett and
the fundamentals of natural born citizen, I stated……..
Ellen, I can EXPLAIN it to YOU…..but
I CANNOT Understand it for you.
Ciao
I know she repeats herself because that is all she has. Did you notice that her only source is the Washington Examiner? I don’t think she knows how to reseasrch or use her search engine. I gave her the link for the 1982 Democratic bill. She’s on her own now. Thanks for the tips.
Re: “your arguments about law under the King were tossed out with the declaration of Independence.”
What gave you that nutty idea? John Jay, the man who wrote about the importance of the president being a Natural Born US Citizen to George Washington, actually wrote the common law into the first Constitution of the State of New York. It said that in New York the common law applies unless and until it is changed by a New York statute.
IF that were true, then the Wong Kim Ark decision that says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law would be wrong, but the Supreme Court is the highest authority on the law, and it said in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born does in fact come from the common law and refers to the place of birth, which Meese agrees with as does such historical quotes as these:
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
As you can see, that refers only to the place of birth, not to the parents. Natural Born Citizens were simply “those born within the state.” And this from 25 years later:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829
Re: “I NEVER claimed that Apuzzo’s credentials were better than anyone else’s… so STOP reporting things I never said.”
I believe that you said that they were “impeccable.” Whatever they are, they do not have the authority of Meese and Hatch and Graham and Fred Thompson and NINE state and federal courts, all of which said that the meaning of Natural Born was defined IN THE WONG KIM ARK CASE, and all of which said that it refers to the place of birth—not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
Wong was both a citizen of the United States under the 14th Amendment, and he was NATURAL BORN under the original meaning of Natural Born, which comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. He was Natural Born even if he was not a citizen, as were slaves and Indians—and when they were allowed to become citizens, those of them who were born in the USA were also Natural Born Citizens. The US Supreme Court did not have to say that Wong was a Natural Born Citizen because it was not a Presidential Eligibility case. But he was.
These words of the Wong Kim Ark ruling show that the court said that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and no US Supreme Court ruling (not even Minor v. Happersett) has ruled differently.
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It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
Some of the NINE state and federal court rulings that said that the Wong Kim Ark case really and truly ruled on the meaning of Natural Born Citizen and that it really and truly ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth:
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,”
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”
Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. ”
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case. “
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The birth certificate is hidden because it says”Father Unknown” Frank Marshal Davis, his real father was a Communist and pornographer. When a 17 yr old had an affair with a Black man in 1960 she was considered to be a slut. Even, if the one in a Million chance applies that Obama is the real father, it takes 2 American parents to be president
Re: “The birth certificate is hidden because it says”Father Unknown” Frank Marshal Davis…’
The officials in Hawaii have stated in legal papers that the facts on Obama’s published birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on the birth certificate in their files, that the facts MATCH (that was the word that they used), and the name of Obama’s father on his published birth certificate was Barack Hussein Obama I.
Re: “it takes 2 American parents to be president.”
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the parents—not two, not even ONE. That makes Jindal and Rubio both eligible, as well as Obama, because all three of them were born in the USA.
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
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OH NO—It’s ELLEN!!! Obama Loving Idiot !!!! She is absolutely in Love with a Moron of a president that Believes you Have to go through a thorough Background Check to Buy a Gun, But you have to Go through No Such Check to be President!!!!! HEY ELLEN– YOU’RE AN IDIOT!!! Everything you COPY & PASTE from the Internet DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT!!!!! There’s more Lies and BS on the Internet than you Could COPY & PASTE in a LIFETIME you Dumb Monkey!!!!
You will believe anything wont you. You have no idea what the “government” will do to meet it’s goal. I know, I’ve see it first hand!
Hi sweetie I got a link for you. Being you know so much maybe you could work with the defendents lawyers. I am sure they could use your expertice.
http://www.jedipauly.com/
Replying to bobmann101:
Birthers have filed over 100 lawsuits and lost every single one of them. And, even worse than this, they are not believed by such conservative leaders as Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, the National Review or Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee, Etc.
The reason is that Obama ‘s birth in Hawaii has been shown overwhelmingly by his birth certificate, and by the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) and by the Index Data and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only it could send notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii). And Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya, and the Kenyan government said that it checked, and that Obama was not born in Kenya.
And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen really does come from the common law, and really does refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
Bobmann, you are arguing with a “bot”.
Judge England dismissed one of Orly Taitz cases on a precedent set by an actor in the movie, “Miracle on 34th Street”. The judge said that since, in the movie, a man was declared to be Santa Claus because the US Post Office delivered mail to him, so Obama was president because he lived in the White House and flew on Air Force One. Also, even though Judge England had given each side twenty minutes to give evidence and call witnesses, when Dr. Taitz attempted to call a witness, the judge said, “No witnesses” ??!!
Another judge dismissed a case because “it has been twittered and massaged in the media”.
Both of these decisions were ludicrous, and actually illegal. There were similar judgements passed.
Let us all hope and pray that at the Supreme Court conference on February 15, the evidence is given full consideration and Obama is removed from office. If “riots in the streets” result, it is a small price to pay.
I am having fun with ‘it’. I have a feeling being John Roberts is the deciding vote in case of a tie he will side with Obama and Obama will be deemed a natural born citizen and fully eligibile to be POTUS. I hope I am wrong, but Roberts sided with him on Obamacare.
As far as Roberts is concerned; the Chicago styled politics of the current admin. has copied the operational qualities of the Mex. Cartels. Plomo o Plata? Lead or Silver. The chief justice decided to go the easy route as well as many other fed. judges, as they choose not to find their families’ headless corpses laying around in some back alley.
Yes I agree. I have said many times if a person cannot be bought or bribed they and/or their loved ones can be threatened!
Gee where have I seen this post before.
Pelosi forged the DNC for Obama. I can’t understand why no one knows this.
Sure she did.
Exactly. She removed the phrase “is constitutionally eligible” and substituted “is duly nominated by the DNC” on all documents with the 50 states. In this manner she wasn’t “technically” lying.
Nevertheless, Obama in fact was born in Hawaii, as has been shown overwhelmingly, and he IS a Natural Born US citizen and eligible. Regardless of what Nancy Pelosi said or failed to say, he STILL is a Natural Born US Citizen and eligible, and he will be sworn in for his second term later this month. Birthers attempted to convince the members of the US Electoral College that Obama was not a Natural Born Citizen in both the 2008 and in 2012 elections, and in both cases not one single elector in the 532 total electors changed her or his vote to vote against Obama out of the nutty idea that he was not born in Hawaii or the absurd legal theory that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born US citizen.
Mine too…..His cohorts in crime, are in high offices, with him…
Because we had a democratic congress headed by Pelosi and Reid who lie and are as crooked as Obama is – that is why he was allowed to seal his records and why he wasn’t vetted.
Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show. He is therefore not an illegal alien. In fact, since he was born in the USA and the US Supreme Court said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, Obama—like Rubio and Jindal—is a Natural Born US citizen. On January 21 he will be publicly sworn in for his second term as president.
Obama is not eligible to be President of this country and is not a U.S. citizen. He is a fraud and pretender to the “throne.” He should be arrested for the fraud he and others have perpetrated against this great nation and imprisioned then deported from this land forever if he still has life in him from prison. If Obama is proved to be a spy for terrorist countries he is not fit to live in these United States. He should then be tried as a spy and treated as such. If the law calls for the hanging of spys, then so be it. He and his cohorts are in the process of destroying this nation.
Obama was born in Hawaii, as shown by his birth certificate and by the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and by the Index Data and by the birth notices in the newspapers in 1961 (sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers by the DOH, and only the DOH could do it, and it only did so for births in Hawaii) and by the teacher who wrote home. And the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen. That is why not a single member of the US Electoral College in either the 2008 or 2012 presidential election changed her or his vote to vote against Obama out of the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the crazy legal theory that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born US Citizen.
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ellen,
you must be a bot.
how many itmes must you be told that Wong only conferred 14th amendment citizenship on Wong,
…and even that Wong quoted Minor v Happerestt
WITHOUT UPSETTING THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL BORN
..NAMELY BORN IN AMERICA OF TWO CITIZEN PARENTS.
TAKE A HIKE!
Here is another one Ellen can debunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jrrnkKmUzo#!
Although there is speculation, there is no more proof that Obama’s father was Davis than that Romney’s real father was Harpo Marx (notice the resemblance between Romney and Harpo Marx?).
A man can write a book claiming that another black man than Obama’s father was Obama’s “real” father, but without proof no one will believe them. Obama was sworn in for his second term yesterday at a private ceremony, and his second Inaugural ceremony will take place today.
Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the public Index Data file all show, and as further confirmed by the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).
And The Wong Kim Ark case of the US Supreme Court really did rule that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and that it refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen. Some of the nine state and federal court rulings that have stated that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined in the Wong Kim Ark case and that that case ruled that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen (and no court has ever ruled that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen, not even Minor v. Happersett):
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”
Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: “The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case. “
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TYahnks again I needed the laugh!
Remember Ellen I only post FACTS
For a president whose policies over the past four years, both at home and abroad, have been passionately and relentlessly pro-Muslim, one wonders how the elite media could somehow have missed the camel in the living room: Barack Obama is the “first Muslim president.”
This is not breaking news. As American Muslim writer Asma Gull Hasan wrote in a widely read Forbes article titled “My Muslim President Obama”: “I know President Obama is not Muslim, but I am tempted nevertheless to think that he is, as are most Muslims I know. In a very unscientific oral poll, ranging from family members to Muslim acquaintances, many of us feel … that we have our first American Muslim president in Barack Hussein Obama.”
“Since Election Day,” Hasan confesses, “I have been part of more and more conversations with Muslims in which it was either offhandedly agreed that Obama is Muslim or enthusiastically blurted out. In commenting on our new president, ‘I have to support my fellow Muslim brother,’ would slip out of my mouth before I had a chance to think twice.”
But another aspect of having elected our “first Muslim president” is much more consequential, as veteran CIA officer and intelligence expert Clare Lopez chronicles. Under Obama, she writes:
“America’s involvement in the global jihad against Western civilization – on the side of the jihadis – is accelerating. Instead of standing firm as leader of the free world and defender of inalienable human rights, U.S. policy is shifting demonstrably to the defense of those who systematically deny such rights to their own people and seek to suppress them everywhere.”
Noting that since 2009, “U.S. foreign policy has backed al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood power plays in Libya, Egypt and now Syria, too,” Lopez reports that our State Department “is working closely with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, whose top objective is the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.”
Meanwhile, adds Lopez, here in the U.S. “the White House cultivates relationships with CAIR/Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood leadership figures and associates,” while “instructors, trainers and any curriculum that would describe accurately the link between Islamic doctrine, law and scripture and Islamic terrorism have been methodically purged from U.S. government, intelligence and law enforcement classrooms.”
So, according to the established cultural norm of what constitutes a “first something president,” Obama qualifies as “Muslim” at least as much as Bill Clinton qualifies as “black.”
But let’s go a little further: How much literal truth might there be to this honorary title no one in the establishment press sees fit to confer on Barack Obama?
Respected Islam expert Daniel Pipes, president of the Middle East Forum, has exhaustively documented “Obama’s Muslim childhood.” Here are just a few of the dozens of non-disputable evidentiary facts cited by Pipes:
“In Islam, the father passes his faith to the children; and when a Muslim male has children with a non-Muslim female, Islam considers the children Muslim. Obama’s grandfather and father having been Muslims – the extent of their piety matters not at all – means that, in Muslim eyes, Barack was born a Muslim.
“Arabic forenames based on the H-S-N trilateral root … (Husayn or Hussein, Hasan, Hassân, Hassanein, Ahsan, and others) are exclusively bestowed on Muslim babies. … Obama’s middle name, Hussein, explicitly proclaims him a born Muslim.
“Obama was registered at a Catholic school in Jakarta as ‘Barry Soetoro.’ A surviving document lists him as born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961; in addition, it lists him having Indonesian nationality and Muslim religion.
“He was also registered as Muslim at SD Besuki: Although Besuki … is a public school, Obama curiously refers to it in ‘The Audacity of Hope’ (p. 154) as ‘the Muslim school’ he attended in Jakarta. Its records have not survived, but several journalists (Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star, Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times, David Maraniss of the Washington Post) have all confirmed that there too, he was registered as a Muslim.
“Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half-sister, said her father (Barack’s stepfather) attended the mosque ‘for big communal events,’ and the Chicago Tribune’s foreign correspondent Kim Barker found that ‘Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers.’
“Muslim clothing: Zulfin Adi, among Obama’s closest childhood friends, recalls about Obama, ‘I remember him wearing a sarong.’ Likewise, [the Washington Post’s] Maraniss found not only that ‘His classmates recalled that Barry wore a sarong’ but had written exchanges indicating that he continued to wear this garment in the United States. This fact has religious implications because, in Indonesian culture, only Muslims wear sarongs.
“Obama says that in Indonesia, he ‘didn’t practice [Islam],’ an assertion that inadvertently acknowledges his Muslim identity by implying he was a non-observant Muslim. But several of those who knew him contradict this recollection. Rony Amir describes Obama as ‘previously quite religious in Islam.’ A former teacher, Tine Hahiyary, quoted in the Kaltim Post, says the future president took part in advanced Islamic religious lessons: ‘I remember that he had studied mengaji.’ In the context of Southeast Asian Islam, mengaji Quran means to recite the Koran in Arabic, a difficult task denoting advanced study.”
“The record,” concludes Pipes, “points to Obama having been born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and having lived for four years in a fully Muslim milieu under the auspices of his Muslim Indonesian stepfather. For these reasons, those who knew Obama in Indonesia considered him a Muslim.”
All right, that was then. But what about today?
Even as president, observes Pipes:“… when addressing Muslim audiences, Obama uses specifically Muslim phrases that recall his Muslim identity. He addressed audiences both in Cairo (in June 2009) and Jakarta (in November 2010) with ‘as-salaamu alaykum,’ a greeting that he, who went to Koran class, knows is reserved for one Muslim addressing another. In Cairo, he also deployed several other pious terms that signal to Muslims he is one of them:
“The Holy Koran” (a term mentioned five times): an exact translation from the standard Arabic reference to the Islamic scripture, al-Qur’an al-Karim.
“The right path”: a translation of the Arabic as-sirat al-mustaqim, which Muslims ask God to guide them along each time they pray.
“I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”: Non-Muslims do not refer to Islam as “revealed.”
“The story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed … joined in prayer”: This Koranic tale of a night journey establishes the leadership of Muhammad over all other holy figures, including Jesus.
“Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them”: a translation of the Arabic ‘alayhim as-salam, which pious Muslims say after mentioning the names of dead prophets other than Muhammad. (A different salutation, sall Allahu alayhi wa-sallam, “May God honor him and grant him peace,” properly follows Muhammad’s name, but this phrase is almost never said in English.)
Beyond all these things, what honest conclusion – other than that the president has a tremendous hidden attachment to Islam – could one possibly draw after reading Obama’s March 2007 interview with the New York Times’ Nicholas D. Kristof, who wrote:
“Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.’”
’The grand jihad’
Ironically, none of Obama’s documented Islamic background may matter very much, since his demonstrated camaraderie with Islamists is typical of far-leftists and doesn’t require a personal Muslim upbringing such as Obama had.
In his bestselling book, “The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America,” former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy explains how and why hardcore leftists and radical Muslims – despite their obvious differences – work together.
“Like the neocommunist, the Islamist works to impose his version of ‘social justice.’ It is a very specific Islamic prescription, and elements of it diverge markedly from the neocommunist’s more amorphous utopia. But the essentials of their visions coalesce: They are totalitarian, collectivist, and antithetical to the core conceit of American constitutional democracy, individual liberty. Today’s left-leaning, Islamophilic Obamedia consciously ignores the convergence, but America’s 44th president and America’s enemies have a common dream.”
Thus, while there is no evidence Obama is today a practicing Muslim, what is far more important than his current religious affiliation is what his deep-down sympathies, affinities and loyalties truly are – and what sorts of policies those affinities lead him to pursue.
One final thought: Having lived through a tumultuous era in which the two biggest geopolitical challenges to America’s very existence as a free nation have been Marxism and Shariah Islam, it’s a testament to modern Americans’ advancing spiritual blindness that we have chosen – twice – a president in thrall to both.
There’s a perfect logic to the “grand jihad” uniting these two ungodly forces against the rare and exotic bloom of individual liberty. Both movements are based on rejection of Christianity, Judaism and the “Judeo-Christian values” that comprise the moral foundation of Western Civilization. Both are fixated to an ecstatic vision of a utopia that cannot exist in reality because it defies all the laws of God and man and human nature and common sense.
And, although superficially incompatible with each other, both are on the same side of the great war between good and evil, each intent on captivating as many free people as possible in the process of imposing a deluded paradise that never was, and never can be.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/meet-the-first-muslim-president/#MzvKwOqaTkqHtFAq.99
Re: “Barack Obama is the “first Muslim president.”
Obama is a baptized Christian.
Re: ” what is far more important than his current religious affiliation is what his deep-down sympathies….”
Which 65 million Americans voted for (more than 4.7 million more votes than Romney received). Don’t like it? Tough.
Ellen—You’re a Special Kind of Stupid, aren’t You!! You not only believe everything you Copy & Paste, but you Go out and Repeating it to others shows your Utter Ignorance!!!
I guess you were Present when he Got baptized?? If not, then your Just repeating more BS from the Internet like you usually Do!!! Which makes you look and Sound more Ignorant!!!
there is evidence of at lest a million and a half fraudulent votes in California alone. Romney won in every state with voter ID. In states without voter ID, Obama won by 110%, etc. proving fraud. The Supreme Court conference should bring out the evidence if the judges have not been threatened.
The SCOTUS is already in Obamas Back Pocket!! But you could never be able to convince “ELLEN” of that!! Just give her time to Find something to Copy & Paste about it and she’ll tell you so!!! LOL…………..
I could not find the proof that Obama was baptized.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2112025/posts
OK Ellen show us a copy of Obama’s certificate of baptism. Please do not post an article from a newspaper, blog etc. Only a certificate of baptism will suffice.
As long as Obama was born and raised a Muslim he is recognized as Muslim and will die a Muslim according to Muslims and Islam. I live close to the main Mosque in my city and I saw the joy and hi fives in the Muslim community when he was placed back in office.. Before Obama was palced in office we never saw a woman in a burka or a hijab. Now we see women in burkas more and more. I hope you have a burka and a prayer rug handy. You will need it soon now that our Muslim dicktator is still in office. I still think Obama was trained in mass hypnosis. There are too many snart people who are duped.
Re: “K Ellen show us a copy of Obama’s certificate of baptism. Please do not post an article from a newspaper, blog etc. Only a certificate of baptism will suffice.’
Who the hell are you to make such a claim? Mitt Romney did not show his certificate of baptism, nor did Bush, nor did any other president. In Obama’s case, the statement of his pastor is sufficient, and it is the Re. Jeremiah Wright of the Trinity United Church of Christ.
“Obama was baptized in 1988 in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama was often seen in attendance at Wright’s church in the 20 years that followed. He was married there, and his two daughters were baptized there.
He remained a member even after some of Wright’s controversial sermons were given national attention in early 2008. When Obama reluctantly severed ties with Wright after weeks of controversy, it was a major news event. Obama and his family now attend St. John’s Episcopal Church, near the White House, though not on a regular basis.” (http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspiracy_theories
Still don’t believe that he was baptized? Well so what? I do not post for you, but for any rational person who may be visiting this site and seeking the facts.
You post because you work for an Acorn affiliate and indirectly, the Poser POTUS. You are a paid troll and nothing more! Actually, you are a traitor to our country and will be dealt with accordingly.
Who am to make such a claim. I am Robert Hamilton an American citizen. I do not know if any other POTUS was asked to show their certificate of baptism, because there were very few who stated or professed their religious affiliation. Why would anyone get upset or mad if asked to show anyone of their certificates no matter which one. Birth, baptism, graduation, discharge, commendations. I am proud to show my birth certificate, certificate of marriage, my honorable discharge, certificates of membership, certificates of donations, etc.I belive if someone asked to see your birth certificate you would get pissed and tell them it is none of their business and an invasion of your privacy. Not me I am willing to show anything someone asks to see, because I have nothing to hide, I am not ashamed of who I am and I am proud to show or display my accomplishments.
So Obama was baptized. Means absolutly NOTHING. If he was it was all for show! Nothing else. Read the Quran. It is Ok to do whatever you need to do to decieve your enemy. And Muslim Obama is doing a fine job of lying and decieving the people who voted for him. I am sure he was trained in mass hyponsis, because there are too many smart people who have been duped. As much as you defend him do you really think he cares about you? What has Obama done for you??? EH??
Selective Service number 61-1125539-1
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/DraftRegistration.htm/
http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2010/100303/webonlyObama.html/
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/evidence-that-obamas-selective-service-registration-was-forged/
Re: “Who am to make such a claim. I am Robert Hamilton an American citizen. I do not know if any other POTUS was asked to show their certificate of baptism, because there were very few who stated or professed their religious affiliation. Why would anyone get upset or mad if asked to show anyone of their certificates no matter which one.”
Because it is only Obama’s ENEMIES who want to see those documents. Obama has already shown his birth certificate twice and the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed the facts on it repeatedly. That is sufficient for eligibility purposes. And Obama was re-elected president with a margin of 4.7 million votes, which surely indicates that few people believe that he is really a Muslim, or if he is, even worse for you, that it simply does not matter to them and that a Muslim with Obama’s polices would be considered preferable to Mitt Romney with his policies. However, you asked for proof that Obama was baptized, and I provided it.
Re: “So Obama was baptized. Means absolutly NOTHING. If he was it was all for show! ”
Answer: Sure it was. That is what you can CLAIM, but you cannot show any facts that confirm it. Sure, you can speculate, but it is just as easy to speculate that George Bush’s baptism was just for show or Bill Clinton’s.
Re: “You post because you work for an Acorn affiliate and indirectly, the Poser POTUS. You are a paid troll and nothing more! Actually, you are a traitor to our country and will be dealt with accordingly.”
For any rational person visiting this site: You can see from the above that the polite birthers who reply on this site regard the people who politely post the facts as “paid trolls.” (Sadly, I am not paid a cent by anyone.) And they say that I work for Acorn (I’ve never even received a letter from them and have only heard about them in postings online), and that I am a “traitor.” Well if posting the facts makes you a traitor, that would be pretty silly wouldn’t it?
You keep saying Obama was re-elected president with a margin of 4.7 million votes,. You are WRONG again. Check out the links i sent you proving voter fraud.
Re the Selective Service card and number.
That definitely WAS forged. It was forged by the fellow who posted it. Obama did not post it. The fellow who posted it CLAIMED to have gotten it from the Selective Service Administration back during the Bush Administration, so either he forged it or the SS Administration during the Bush Administration forged it. The former is far more likely.
Just one more unsubstantiated claim made by the “bot” ellen. Looks like she’s using the POSER POTUS’ tactic of throwing out tons of garbage in hopes that no one can thoroughly investigate. Overwhelm The System, eh, ellen?!?
Re: “Check out the links i sent you proving voter fraud.”
Talk about unsubstantiated claims. If there was significant voter fraud, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and the National Review would have said something about it.
Obama’s Selective Service card was not posted by Obama. It was posted by someone else, a birther. The birther who posted it did not even CLAIM to have gotten it from Obama or from Obama’s campaign or from an Obama official. He claimed to have gotten it from the US Selective Service Administration back during the Bush Administration.
I knew your answer would be something like this. Therefore I will ignore you. You are a very arrogant and ignorant woman who will not believe or except the truth.
bob,
How do you know ellen is a woman?
It might be a few pages of computer code
..or maybe a girly man?
I don’t know, don’t care anymore. ‘It’ is a joke!!!
After 14 days I cant understand why anyone would keep replying to Ellen the troll! I guess I will get a canned reply also.
All this has sounded great, but what good is it as long as there are corrupt judges, who are in Obumzo’s pocket, and the politicians who could have stopped him from stealing the office 4 years ago sat on their lazy fanny’s and looked the way out of fear of some phony backlash that just might have prevented them from being reelected. It took dishonest people in power to help him pull off this fraud and they are still in power. there is no way he could have pulled this off on his own, so even if the truth does come out, who is there that is able to actually do anything about it? With all the corrupt news press and lazy good for nothing politicians that probably have neck problems because all they know is how to look the other way and pretend everything is just fine. The liar-n- chief could go on national TV and admit to all the crimes he is guilty of and he would probably get a standing ovation.
We the people have to do it. We need a leader and take care of the scumbags
Correct, and if there were not so many commies the RINO GOP this would have been taken care before BO got elected the first time. Romney didn’t do a dam thing to win this election. The Krat precincts destroyed more repub ballots than anytime in amerikahn history. The communist take over is now complete. The fake repub leaders did all they could to keep a lid on the communist take over which has been going on steady since Woodrow Wilson. We need to all register independant and fire the RINO GOP forever. Hard to do with the Federal Reserve owners and their government of the Council on Foreign Affairs, Trilateral Commission and others. Amerikahns just don’t know much.
One more thing. Have you all noticed there isn’t even a handful of RINO REPUBS willing to stick their worthless necks out to help the people who are laying their lives on the line to out this worthless communist fraud dictator?????
That is why I am so, so disappointed with the GOP. They are a bunch of cowards!
I am a Conservative Republican but after the election, I am having second thought.
GOP are so divided, on the other hand, Democrats are so united “no matter what”!
I will never be a Democrat , more so vote for somebody like Obama. He is the most
corrupt, incompentent , lazy President ever. He was voted by the “freebie receivers” of
this country. What happened to America?
Would you like a sip of “T”?
I’m fed up with the worthless republican politicians too. Wipe ‘em all out and start over. I agree, we need to unite and have a good leader. I don’t agree with everything the Tea Party stands for, but I believe in most of it. I might have to move that direction, unless something better appears on the horizon. Right now, I’m gearing up to fight a new civil war, or what ever you want to call it.
Ponder the fact that there’s so much corruption on both sides who’s holding the damaging info higher on the other’s head? They’re all afraid of the video-audio-photos, etc…
About 534 worthless members of the three branches are complicit in this treason.
What was the story?? Congress has a 9% approval rating (who’s approval??) and 60 to 80 % got reelected. We are such smart voters
obama didn’t get reelected. he was reseated through federal election fraud.
There must be a few good ones in all that mess. It is true, people cannot survive in a vipers’ nest. They have to become immune to the poison. When that happens they become part viper.
It is time to fire each and every one of these Liars, Cheats and greedy politicians, both repubs and Dems. But WTP must start looking for replacements NOW…
Do you see any worthless and self-centered Dems from the president on down trying to help any one?
ROMNEY WAS THREATENED WITH DEATH
And you know this—HOW????
Probably because it hasw been proven and she heard or read it from a reliable source – unlike your unsubstantiated babble.
Re the claim that Mitt Romney had been threatened with death and the claim by a supporter that “it has been proven and she heard or read it from a reliable source….”
Answer: Then she should be able to say how she knows it, and cite the source.
As Disney used to play ….. da d a da da da da ……..That’s it Folks
Here we have ellen responding to ellen
Voila!
DITTO!
I have been saying for about 4 years that “Barack “Haman” 0bama will eventually
hang on the gallows that he is building to hang patriotic Americans on.”
I will add that “the mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.”
AND, God frequently waits until it gets absolutely impossible before He acts.
Historically all dictators have met a bad fate
rhcrest,
Sorry. Many dictators survived just fine. Stalin wasn’t shot. Putin is still in power. Mao lived to a ripe old age, as did his opponent, Chaing Kai-Shek. Castro still is living, as is Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
Dictators who do not realize the extent of their power do end poorly. Papa Doc Duvalier and Idi Amin are good examples there. But dictators do tend to survive.
jonurny: when exactly did God act or do anything?
God has done a lot, even for you. Oh, and htat pastor that you sayyouscared so much. In your dreams. He weas not afraid of you and what kind of nasty person are you that you would think that was funny anyway. Ehat it really shows you are not a very nice person – I won’t say “man”, because that denotes at least a modicum of sense and you apparently don’t have any. You have the nerve to comment that I am mentally deranged – you are the delusional one. Yes, I remember you and your crazy friend’s comments about me.
[[[ enoughalready – The Judges have sullied their oaths, betrayed the Constitution and assisted in the demise of America. ]]
It seems as though each is waiting for someone else to act on this… mainly cause they are afraid of losing their job or being shot…. which ever comes first. This can be very dramatic for Congress who don’t want to bring any more shame on this country for the world to know as it is. It would take a gutty man like Andrew Breitbart to bring this to the world’s attention, but somehow, at a very early age, he died!
I think it is worse than that–I think they fear being mocked and savaged by the media and vile leftists and that is a sadder statement that exhibits an even worse form of cowardice.
BTW–I will never believe Breitbart died of natural causes–he was “offed!”
The reason is simple: (1) Obama really was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii show; and (2) every child born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen, as the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case (which BTW was AFTER Minor v. Happersett).
Ellen, there is seriously not enough time or space to educate you. I honestly think you are a shill and know better. You are probably just trolling here to taunt people. Even the Liberal media know the truth but they have hitched their wagons to the devil and now must ride this baby all the way. Even if he was born in Hawaii..and let’s be honest..neither you or I were there…his father was not a U.S. Citizen and that alone disqualifies him. Additionally, when he attended school in Indonesia, it required FULL adoption by his stepfather since they do not allow for dual citizens. There is no record where he ever legally reapplied for U.S. citizenship (assuming he ever had it) or legally changed his name fro, Soetoro to Obama. This probably explains why he did not register for the Selective Service (and had to forge his records)–he was here as an Indonesian national.
Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii all show. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does NOT refer to the citizenship of a parent or even two parents. The US Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia, which requires the action of a district court, and no such court document has ever been shown, and he never legally changed his name. He simply used the name of his step-father. Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm (Why not try it? Oh, and by the way ask whether you had to be an Indonesian citizen to attend school. The answer is that you did not have to be), and he did not and could not (and no child can) lose his US citizenship—so he did not have to get it back.
Obama’s SS card was indeed forged. It was forged by the birther who posted it. Obama has not shown his SS card, nor did Romney or McCain or any president.
In short: (1) Obama was indeed born in Hawaii; (2) the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, which makes him (and Jindal and Rubio too) a Natural Born Citizen; (3) Obama was not adopted nor did he legally change his name nor did he become a citizen of Indonesia, and he did not lose his US citizenship.
As I said there is not enough time and you have been thoroughly brainwashed. Check out Corsi’s book. He has photocopies of the documents in his book. He also shows where the place of “birth” was originally listed as Queen’s Hospital before the information was scrubbed and changed. You can also see the passport of Stanley Ann where BHO was removed. Remember, Her passport records were destroyed in a “fire” and the lone witness, Lieutenant Harris, who was to testify to information found in the passport breach of BHO in 2008 was found shot in the head in a parked car in front of a church shortly before he was to testify. Why are there 2 3rd grade photos of BHO–one in Hawaii and the other in Indonesia–how can you be 2 places at the same time. Regarding the CT SSN–his grandmother worked at a probate office. I suspect she lifted the SSN for him–but what happened to the original he used when he worked at Baskin and Robbins?
The media crawled up George Bush’s behind with a proctoscope and floodlight looking into and even manufacturing false evidence in an effort to discredit him. Ask Dan Rather and his producer who lost their jobs. But with this guy..NOTHING.
The birth announcements are meaningless since 40% of all births in Hawaii in the 1960s were home births. Anyone such as the grandparents, aunt, etc could go to the Health department and register the birth. THIS registration is what triggered the newspaper announcements. It proves absolutely nothing. Stanley could have had the baby in Kenya, called her mom and had her go register the baby. Also some “birth announcements” were for children who were already 2 and 3 years old.
You legal argument doesn’t hold water. There are 2 other case which give weight to both parents needing to be U.S. citizens at the time of birth of the child. The courts need to decide and stop avoiding the issue.
Re “Corsi’s book.’ Corsi wrote books showing how much he hated Obama even before the birther issue. Lieutenant Harris, who was found shot, was not one of the people involved in the breach of Obama’s records, and none of the people involved in the breach of Obama’s passport records was shot. Obama grandmother worked in a bank and never in a probate office. Hawaii required a statement of a witness whenever a child was born at home or that child could not get a Hawaii birth certificate showing the place of birth on it. Obama’s short form shows the place of birth on it, in Honolulu, and his long form shows that he was born in a hospital, Kapiolani, which btw did exist at the time. Re Obama having said that he was born in Queens Hospital at one time. NO, he never did; that mistake was made entirely by UPI, which corrected it.
Only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the section of the paper called, wait for it, “Health Bureau Statistics,” and it only did so for births IN Hawaii. Re: “some “birth announcements” were for children who were already 2 and 3 years old.” Answer. That is what Sheriff Joe claimed, but guess what, he never showed a single example of that happening.
Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints — none! There is no Obama documentation — no records — no paper trail — none — this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help – but to serve whom & why??
MISSING-HIDDEN DOCUMENTS:
Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA — Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)
Certificate of Live Birth — Released – Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released – Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None (Locked up to prohibit public view)
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost (All other Illinois state senators’ records are intact)
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
WHY DON’T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?
Re: “WHY DON’T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?”
Because (1) Obama showed both the images on the Web and the actual official physical copies of his short form and long form birth certificate and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent them to him and that all the facts on them are exactly the same as on the birth certificate in their files. (2) Obama is not required by any law or tradition to show any of the other documents that you list—and Mitt Romney did not do so either, nor did any other president.
Maybe that is because you only listen to lame stream medfia who don’t report the actual news. Try a news station that is fair and balanced, not biased as they are. When you only hear lies and biased misinformation, then that is all you know; i.e., such as in your case. You are full of lies and misinformaton because you are so narrow-minded you only listen to biased news stations.
IVE SEEN ‘ELLENS’ NAME ON MANY SITES , SOMETIMES SHE FOR OBAMA , OTHER TIMES LIKE ON DR.ORLY’S SITE , SHE’S AGAINST HIM…. THAT NIC IS EITHER CONFUSED OR A SPY . .. ISNT THAT RIGHT ELLEN ???????
I outed her as a libtard troll last wk. as I’m able to recognize their writing style/prose/verbiage. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that she’s one of the paid trolls that the Obamanation has put out there to try and distort the facts so that the citizens stay unaware of what is really going on. It is rumored that one of the Acorn subsidiaries has over 350 full time employees doing just that, trolling the internet to try and diffuse and detract from the facts of the many sordid scandals/programs of the rogue admin.
Re: “IVE SEEN ‘ELLENS’ NAME ON MANY SITES , SOMETIMES SHE FOR OBAMA , OTHER TIMES LIKE ON DR.ORLY’S SITE , SHE’S AGAINST HIM.”
Duh, there are many Ellens. I have never posted on Orly’s site. Re “lame stream media.”
It is not the media but the former Republican governor of Hawaii and two Republican officials (and several Democrats too) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices that were sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH and the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley—that show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
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Re the claim that I am paid. Sadly I am not paid, not at all. But if I were paid, or you were paid, or we both were paid, it still would not change the FACTS. For Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii, all six of the above things would have had to happened, not one or two, but all of them.
Those are only what you call “facts” and they mean nothing.
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Cut the crap.
It matters NOT if he was born in Hawaii.
So QUIT deflecting.
His Father, unless you want to further deflect , was a British Subject.
End of argument.
obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen
…oh… now you want to detour into WHO was his father?… perhaps an American Citizen named Marshall?
Well………………?
ellen, was his biological father born in the US? Do we even know who that is and can we prove it? Was his parents married?
Re: ” was his biological father born in the US?”
Answer. No one ever knows with any certainty (unless they have had a DNA test performed) who her or his biological father was. Obama’s legal father was born in Kenya. The legal proof is the birth certificate. Were his parents married? Yes, we know that with certainty, far more certainty than Romney’s parents being married? What is that certainty? The fact that Obama’s parents were DIVORCED—which indicates that they were married.
Whether parents are married or not has nothing to do with eligibility, of course, and it does not even affect whether someone will be a good person or politician. Alexander Hamilton was a bastard, for example. However, we do know that Obama’s parents were married.
IF your next step is to say that because Obama’s father was not born in the USA or was not a US citizen Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, you would be wrong. That is because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen has been defined by the US Supreme Court to refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of one or even two parents. That means that Jindal and Rubio are also Natural Born Citizens because they, like Obama, were born in the USA.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
There is no evidence that Obama’s mother was ever married to the man from the British Protectorate of East Africa, (now called “Kenya”). There is no marriage certificate. There are no wedding photos. There are no witnesses to the event. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
There is plenty of evidence that Obama’s mother was a popular hotel street barfly-slut. Also, we have the pornographic photographs that she posed for when she was screwing Frank Marshall Davis, the most likely candidate for father of the infamous Barry O.
Re: “There is no evidence that Obama’s mother was ever married to the man from the British Protectorate of East Africa, (now called “Kenya”).”
Most rational people regard papers that show that two people were divorced, which exist for Obama’s parents, as proof that before the divorce they were in fact married.
Re ‘slut.” That has nothing to do with eligibility, of course. It does say something about the attitudes of birthers, that they make such claims without any evidence. In any case, Obama’s parents were married, and Obama’s second Inaugural Ceremony will take place on January 21.
there is proof that Stanley wasvnot a highvclass person. She posed in the nude and as pretty wild. Stop making believe that all these people are some kind of saints. It’s getting boring.
Re: “She posed in the nude….”
Answer: So?
I doubt that she was a saint, but the fact that she posed in the nude is not terribly important. So did former Republican Senator Scott Brown. And, it is doubtful that Obama’s mother was the slightest bit as wild as Churchill’s mother, whose affairs were numerous—or hadn’t you heard?
The election is over. Your chance to vote for someone whose mother was more to your liking that Obama’s mother has passed. Obama was elected and will be president for the next four years.
Why are you distracting the subject with comments about Scot Brown and Churchill’s mother? does that speak well for Obamaf’sf motherr? NO! No one cares. The subject is Barack Obama – rermember?
Re: “NO! No one cares. The subject is Barack Obama – rermember?’
Indeed, his mother was no more slutty than Churchill’s mother and he was reelected president on November 6 with more than 4.7 million votes more than Mitt Romney, whose mother perhaps was not slutty at all. Three cheers for slutty mothers! (Alexander Hamilton’s mother was slutty too).
No one cares about Churchill’s mother or Hamilton’s mother. They are not the issue. So, quit bringing them up.
And women call men pigs. What a trashy comment. So just because you believe someone famous had a slut mother that it’s ok for Obama to have a slut mother? What’s wrong with you? You have no respect for the Constitution or the other half of the country that is tired of putting up with idiots, much like yourself. Your facts are twisted, you don’t care when our govt lies to us and you don’t care who dies because of their lies and their games. How you could defend anyone like that is so far beyond reason and common sense!
If we put all right wing on one side of the Mississippi and the left on the other side, I wonder how long it would be before the left tunneled over to where the right lived.
Semper,
AMEN!
Re: “No one cares about Churchill’s mother or Hamilton’s mother. They are not the issue. So, quit bringing them up.”
NO one cares about Obama’s mother. He was re-elected either despite his mother’s background or because of his mother’s background (you may disagree about the latter, but then you will never know). In any case, he was re-elected. Nobody gave a damn about his mother’s background, just as nobody gave a damn about Churchill’s mother’s background.
ellen, cut the crap!
Of course we care.
Unless you want to open another can of worms about obama’s true father,
he was a British subject.
Thus, ergo, therefore,
obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen
Thus, ergo, therefore, etc
obama is NOT an eligible candidate for POTUS
Thus, ergo, therefore, etc
Each/ALL of his Executive Orders and Signed Bills ARE NULL & VOID!
…including his first Ex Order that sealed his records
ellen
TAKE A HIKE!
YOU ARE WRONG!!!! TO BE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH PARENTS AS NATURAL BORN ,, MEANING BOTH WOULD HAVE TO BE BORN IN THE USA. TO BE PRESIDENT UGH
Who told you that? It is wrong. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, and it said that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
What part of “It is the place of birth, not the parents” do you not understand?
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Bob,
She’s smoking you…….
I told her, basically, to take a hike.
Look at this……….
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Wong Kim Ark, citing and quoting Minor and acknowledging its definition that a “natural-born citizen” was born in the country to citizen parents, in no way disturbed Minor’s definition of a “natural-born citizen,” for it was asked to decide only if Wong was a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment.
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PS “Minor” refers to an earlier case….
For example, Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1875) has held that a “natural-born citizen” is a child born in a country to parents who were its citizens when the child was born. The unanimous U.S. Supreme Court held
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Your HaHaHa approach to ellen is but one of several.
I have chosen to ostracize her.
I think she is smoking and sniffing something while she gulps down the kool aid.
Here is another one Ellen can debunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jrrnkKmUzo#!
For a president whose policies over the past four years, both at home and abroad, have been passionately and relentlessly pro-Muslim, one wonders how the elite media could somehow have missed the camel in the living room: Barack Obama is the “first Muslim president.”
This is not breaking news. As American Muslim writer Asma Gull Hasan wrote in a widely read Forbes article titled “My Muslim President Obama”: “I know President Obama is not Muslim, but I am tempted nevertheless to think that he is, as are most Muslims I know. In a very unscientific oral poll, ranging from family members to Muslim acquaintances, many of us feel … that we have our first American Muslim president in Barack Hussein Obama.”
“Since Election Day,” Hasan confesses, “I have been part of more and more conversations with Muslims in which it was either offhandedly agreed that Obama is Muslim or enthusiastically blurted out. In commenting on our new president, ‘I have to support my fellow Muslim brother,’ would slip out of my mouth before I had a chance to think twice.”
But another aspect of having elected our “first Muslim president” is much more consequential, as veteran CIA officer and intelligence expert Clare Lopez chronicles. Under Obama, she writes:
“America’s involvement in the global jihad against Western civilization – on the side of the jihadis – is accelerating. Instead of standing firm as leader of the free world and defender of inalienable human rights, U.S. policy is shifting demonstrably to the defense of those who systematically deny such rights to their own people and seek to suppress them everywhere.”
Noting that since 2009, “U.S. foreign policy has backed al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood power plays in Libya, Egypt and now Syria, too,” Lopez reports that our State Department “is working closely with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, whose top objective is the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.”
Meanwhile, adds Lopez, here in the U.S. “the White House cultivates relationships with CAIR/Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood leadership figures and associates,” while “instructors, trainers and any curriculum that would describe accurately the link between Islamic doctrine, law and scripture and Islamic terrorism have been methodically purged from U.S. government, intelligence and law enforcement classrooms.”
So, according to the established cultural norm of what constitutes a “first something president,” Obama qualifies as “Muslim” at least as much as Bill Clinton qualifies as “black.”
But let’s go a little further: How much literal truth might there be to this honorary title no one in the establishment press sees fit to confer on Barack Obama?
Respected Islam expert Daniel Pipes, president of the Middle East Forum, has exhaustively documented “Obama’s Muslim childhood.” Here are just a few of the dozens of non-disputable evidentiary facts cited by Pipes:
“In Islam, the father passes his faith to the children; and when a Muslim male has children with a non-Muslim female, Islam considers the children Muslim. Obama’s grandfather and father having been Muslims – the extent of their piety matters not at all – means that, in Muslim eyes, Barack was born a Muslim.
“Arabic forenames based on the H-S-N trilateral root … (Husayn or Hussein, Hasan, Hassân, Hassanein, Ahsan, and others) are exclusively bestowed on Muslim babies. … Obama’s middle name, Hussein, explicitly proclaims him a born Muslim.
“Obama was registered at a Catholic school in Jakarta as ‘Barry Soetoro.’ A surviving document lists him as born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961; in addition, it lists him having Indonesian nationality and Muslim religion.
“He was also registered as Muslim at SD Besuki: Although Besuki … is a public school, Obama curiously refers to it in ‘The Audacity of Hope’ (p. 154) as ‘the Muslim school’ he attended in Jakarta. Its records have not survived, but several journalists (Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star, Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times, David Maraniss of the Washington Post) have all confirmed that there too, he was registered as a Muslim.
“Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half-sister, said her father (Barack’s stepfather) attended the mosque ‘for big communal events,’ and the Chicago Tribune’s foreign correspondent Kim Barker found that ‘Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers.’
“Muslim clothing: Zulfin Adi, among Obama’s closest childhood friends, recalls about Obama, ‘I remember him wearing a sarong.’ Likewise, [the Washington Post’s] Maraniss found not only that ‘His classmates recalled that Barry wore a sarong’ but had written exchanges indicating that he continued to wear this garment in the United States. This fact has religious implications because, in Indonesian culture, only Muslims wear sarongs.
“Obama says that in Indonesia, he ‘didn’t practice [Islam],’ an assertion that inadvertently acknowledges his Muslim identity by implying he was a non-observant Muslim. But several of those who knew him contradict this recollection. Rony Amir describes Obama as ‘previously quite religious in Islam.’ A former teacher, Tine Hahiyary, quoted in the Kaltim Post, says the future president took part in advanced Islamic religious lessons: ‘I remember that he had studied mengaji.’ In the context of Southeast Asian Islam, mengaji Quran means to recite the Koran in Arabic, a difficult task denoting advanced study.”
“The record,” concludes Pipes, “points to Obama having been born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and having lived for four years in a fully Muslim milieu under the auspices of his Muslim Indonesian stepfather. For these reasons, those who knew Obama in Indonesia considered him a Muslim.”
All right, that was then. But what about today?
Even as president, observes Pipes:
“… when addressing Muslim audiences, Obama uses specifically Muslim phrases that recall his Muslim identity. He addressed audiences both in Cairo (in June 2009) and Jakarta (in November 2010) with ‘as-salaamu alaykum,’ a greeting that he, who went to Koran class, knows is reserved for one Muslim addressing another. In Cairo, he also deployed several other pious terms that signal to Muslims he is one of them:
“The Holy Koran” (a term mentioned five times): an exact translation from the standard Arabic reference to the Islamic scripture, al-Qur’an al-Karim.
“The right path”: a translation of the Arabic as-sirat al-mustaqim, which Muslims ask God to guide them along each time they pray.
“I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”: Non-Muslims do not refer to Islam as “revealed.”
“The story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed … joined in prayer”: This Koranic tale of a night journey establishes the leadership of Muhammad over all other holy figures, including Jesus.
“Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them”: a translation of the Arabic ‘alayhim as-salam, which pious Muslims say after mentioning the names of dead prophets other than Muhammad. (A different salutation, sall Allahu alayhi wa-sallam, “May God honor him and grant him peace,” properly follows Muhammad’s name, but this phrase is almost never said in English.)
Beyond all these things, what honest conclusion – other than that the president has a tremendous hidden attachment to Islam – could one possibly draw after reading Obama’s March 2007 interview with the New York Times’ Nicholas D. Kristof, who wrote:
“Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.’”
’The grand jihad’
Ironically, none of Obama’s documented Islamic background may matter very much, since his demonstrated camaraderie with Islamists is typical of far-leftists and doesn’t require a personal Muslim upbringing such as Obama had.
In his bestselling book, “The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America,” former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy explains how and why hardcore leftists and radical Muslims – despite their obvious differences – work together.
“Like the neocommunist, the Islamist works to impose his version of ‘social justice.’ It is a very specific Islamic prescription, and elements of it diverge markedly from the neocommunist’s more amorphous utopia. But the essentials of their visions coalesce: They are totalitarian, collectivist, and antithetical to the core conceit of American constitutional democracy, individual liberty. Today’s left-leaning, Islamophilic Obamedia consciously ignores the convergence, but America’s 44th president and America’s enemies have a common dream.”
Thus, while there is no evidence Obama is today a practicing Muslim, what is far more important than his current religious affiliation is what his deep-down sympathies, affinities and loyalties truly are – and what sorts of policies those affinities lead him to pursue.
One final thought: Having lived through a tumultuous era in which the two biggest geopolitical challenges to America’s very existence as a free nation have been Marxism and Shariah Islam, it’s a testament to modern Americans’ advancing spiritual blindness that we have chosen – twice – a president in thrall to both.
There’s a perfect logic to the “grand jihad” uniting these two ungodly forces against the rare and exotic bloom of individual liberty. Both movements are based on rejection of Christianity, Judaism and the “Judeo-Christian values” that comprise the moral foundation of Western Civilization. Both are fixated to an ecstatic vision of a utopia that cannot exist in reality because it defies all the laws of God and man and human nature and common sense.
And, although superficially incompatible with each other, both are on the same side of the great war between good and evil, each intent on captivating as many free people as possible in the process of imposing a deluded paradise that never was, and never can be.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/meet-the-first-muslim-president/#MzvKwOqaTkqHtFAq.99
If Obama really is a Muslim, and he isn’t, what the hell are you going to do about it? It is not illegal or even immoral to be a Muslim. For impeachment purposes you would have to prove that he lied about his religion, but you can’t prove that since he was indeed baptized, and so were his daughters. And, if he were impeached–which hasn’t got a shred of a chance–then Biden would become president, and he is not a Muslim (but he is slightly to the left of Obama politically).
This is another HURRY UP AND WAIT. I’ll just take a wait and see approach. IF he isn’t legal; I wonder if the alphabet networks will say something then??? Donald Trump will be able to throw crap in their faces….no….wait a minute…they’re already up to their eyeballs in that so, let’s just say he could run their faces into each others crap. Let there be truth……………
This is not a “hurry up and wait.” It is nothing at all. Sheriff Joe has not proven anything so far, and he will not in the future, and he is regarded as a nut by such conservative leaders as the National Review, and the same with Donald Trump.
You know Ellen, I worked as a registered nurse at a Veteran’s hospital for over 31 years. I had to show my official transcripts, birth certificate for proof of citizenship, nursing license, etc and so did all foreign nurses. When we went to computerized records, we had to provide everything all over again. Are you telling me I am required to provide more information that the President? Give me a break!
This guy is as phoney as a $3 bill. Exhume the bodies and do DNA testing–he is a person of unknown identity. One day the truth will come out. We are no longer living in a free country. The state controls the media except for the Internet which is why Obama has pushed so hard for that. The last link to freedom.
GO TO ORLYTAITZESQ.COM…. THERE IS A CASE PENDING TO BE HEARD FOR FEB.15TH IN THE SEPREME COURTS …. FOR FAKE SS#, FAKE BIRTH CERT. FAKE MILITARY ID’S, OVER 1.5 MILLION FRAUD VOTES IN CA ALONE..
Orly, as usual, is deliberately misleading her followers.
The US Supreme Court is not going to hear the case. All that it did was add Orly’s request to appeal to it to one of the ordinary meetings in which it decides on whether or not to take cases—and it usually turns down 99.9% of appeals. That is all. It is not considering the issues or the facts. It is only considering whether or not to take the case in a meeting with twenty or forty or more other cases that are also being appealed.
Re vote fraud. Dream on. If there had been significant vote fraud Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Ann Coulter or the National Review or Gingrich or Santorum or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it.
More disinformation! Troll Alert!!! Citizens, Ellen is a troll. She spreads disinformation to distort and detract. Ignore her!
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Thank You watchmen. I have been saying all along…it has to work its way through all the courts…then probably through them again. But even THEN…we must open our eyes to the constitutional corruption that the DOJ is handing down. With out good solid evidence this question will never be answered and that will take a judgment of what the 3 levels of citizenship are and today there is not even ONE BILL asking for clarification…I find this the most amazing of all blunders.
I’ll believe it when i see it. Nothing ever really happens. Been disappointed too many times.
Don’t give up so easily, rhcrest: America was a miracle in the making, and this is still Ameroca; have faith.
Two things that are vastly different what you say: 1: our people believed and feared God.
2: We weren’t a self centered/selfish people then like we are now.
For this, there is plenty of reason to be worried.
The words of “rocquedog” are most certainly true……and that is so very sad. I am thinking many of you will agree that there is little held ‘sacred’ today. I can actually ‘feel’ the difference in the air; it is heavy with rudeness, lack of responsibility, slothfulness, ignorance, defiance and, most of all, ungodliness.
Nothing can be taken for granted and, unfortunately, we seem to have more “takers” than ever, and they are “taking advantage” of the taxpayers.
Our hope is God, and GREAT is His Power. Continue in prayer.
Me, too!
What about the selective service card? that has always looked like a fraud to me. It should be very easy to prove or disprove. Hell if it were any person other than him it would take about 10 min to clear up one way or the other. From all I have seen just the fact that it had only two digits is sure fire proof. OR IS IT? what s up with that folks.
It is a fraud. No question. The fraud was made by the guy who posted it, a birther.
One thing that isn’t a fraud is you. Your just an idiot! Verifiable!!!
There is not ONE SINGLE VERIFIABLE PIECE of Information that proves Obama’s Birth Certificate is real- did you know that?
Birther sites have not shown you this:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
The fact that birthers claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by the fact that people who hate Obama make claims against him for their own motives. Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere. But you have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
Oh, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor have said repeatedly that the facts on Obama’s published birth certificate are exactly the same as on the one in their files and that they sent both the short form and the long form birth certificate to Obama.
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Hey ‘ellen’ – you are such an obvious ogayone-lover. Get off this site & stay off.
In Fact: Go to ‘ell’–‘en’ don’t come back, commie bitch queer-lover! Hate it when
ya’ll show up.
Pelosi committed fraud DNC lie.
Democratic Party of Hawaii Refused To Certify Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXFwqUi3zR0&feature=player_embedded
Americans need to realize that the Imposter in chief, nor his handlers, will allow the truth to ever come out. And if somehow it does appear to be about to happen, the POSER POTUS will find a way to declare martial law and suspend all legitimate processes as well as investigations into his ofc. ie: F&F, Benghazigate, Voter Fraud, etc. This scenario, in conjunction with other situations facing our country, all lead to one outcome: Martial Law morphing into a Civil War. Americans must resist! God Save The Republic!!!
I totally agree with you! I’m not even getting excited like I did so many other times when I thought, this is definitely it, he won’t get away this time?
I’ll keep saying till the end….. Its just like an episode of “The Twilight Zone” !
I see it everyday,but still find it very hard to believe.
False ID’s, locked school transcripts, false birth certificates, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, hundreds of executive orders bypassing the constiutution, lies about our taxes and now coming after our guns. So evident this man is a fraud but yet nothing has been done. Are our leaders that scared of this man or just going along with the act for their own good. Time for Americans to stand up and take back their country. Four years and nothing, what proof is there we should expect anything different.
The explanation is that he really was born in Hawaii and he really is a National Born US citizen. His birth certificate is NOT false. Only birther “experts”—who have not proven that they are even experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial—have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. Obama has not shown his school transcripts, but then neither did Romney or McCain or Bush or Clinton or Reagan. It’s not required that a president or presidential candidate show school or college transcripts.
He is our supreme ruler and dicktaor. You are nothing but a subject to him unless you are Muslim. If you are a Jew or a Christian LOOK OUT!!! He is sending planes and tanks to Libya for no other reason but to help wipe Israel off the map. The US IS on his list!!!. BTW Ellen, being you are willing to defend him to the death answer this question. What has he done to benefit YOU???? Huuuummmmm
Ellen you should lay off the koolaid, it is affecting your brain and distorting your ability to reason!
Ellen is one of those who, seeing, do not see, and hearing, do not hear. Let us not waste any more time on this. We have better things to do. There is a meeting planned for the inauguration, protesting Obama’s illegal presidency.
I agree , do you think ELLEN will show up or support?
Ellen, are you lonely, where in the world did you ever get that other Presidents did not have to show their school records??? They most certainly did, and Romney had high grades, as did others. Think maybe you are reading too many communist manifestos. obama is the ONLY person to HIDE his test scores, high school and college. In fact, both Clnton and Romney have very HIGH IQs, and were at the TOP of grads. Oh, and as for his birth certificate, little matter of the fact that when he was hatched, if in Hawaii, why would they use the term African American, back then, that term was not used also, the name of the hospital he supposedly was born in was not even in existence until two years later. Oh and obama losing his law license, ha, he was to busy doing what, that has been several years ago, acutlally he did not want to recieve a ctation on his license,and that goes for Michelle to. of course the obama lovers will always make excuses for them,,,,,,,,,to bad they are so blind they cannot see communism in both of them, and valerie jarrett, don’t get me started on her, AND LET US NOT FORGET BENGHAZI and how he just left them to die. Just waiting for General Curtis Hamm to be called to testify, seems like Penata did a little lying about him.
Well said. The truth is this woman’s worse enemy. She is in love with Obama and porves love is blind.
OMG ! They did too show their records ! What rock do you live under !?!?!?
This POS has hidden everything !!He is a person in a empty suit with out a country !!
Ellen, your problem is you believe everything you want to hear and nothing else. Obama is the first president in the 20th century to not disclose his college records. Reagan, Bush, even Clinton, all showed their college records AND thesis. Get your facts straight.
The birth certificate posted on the white house web site was forged. That has been proven by experts on computer documents, which you can find a number of youtube videos showing how and why it is a forgery. That forged document was not created by a ‘birther’ and placed on the white house web site. It was created at the direction of Obama to some idiot who didn’t know to save such files as a merged document. Obama presented a false document as his proof, something you and I would go to jail for but Obama gets off scott free. That is a felony whether he was born in Hawaii or not!
Let’s say for a minute that you’re right and he was born in Hawaii. His father was a British subject. The son takes the citizenship of the father. But even if you wanted to argue that point, there’s still that little matter of his adoption by yet another foreign gentleman, which Barry then takes the citizenship of the father. It works that way all over the world.
The issue of the SS card, in 1961, the zip code was 06811, not 06814.
The left comes up with plausible answers for those who hear what they want to hear and just believe it blindly. It takes a little extra footwork to find the truth. But even if you were correct in all things you stated regarding ‘birthers’, there are still many reasons for impeach for treason. The latest being the Benghazi affair, which is now coming out to be a staged kidnapping for Obama to be able to negotiate the release just before election time. That entire event falls on Obama, not Clinton or anyone else. Obama is a first class, professional liar. Just ask the people who went through Hurricane Sandy. Just ask the family of the fallen in Benghazi. Those are just a drop in the bucket of the crap he’s pulled while in office. And if that’s not enough for you, how about the book he supposedly wrote, but it turns out it was written by the world trade center bomber, a self confessed bomber, a terrorist, Bill Ayers.
If nothing else, you should be quite pissed off at Obama for lying to you. You should be pissed off that he refuses to negotiate reckless spending and instead blames republicans for his failures. Try doing a little research beyond your left wing sites and at least learn who the real person is. The more you support this professional liar, this fraud, this failure, the more it makes you look like a mindless little sheep who does what she’s told, repeats what she’s told to believe, and passes on to others to make them believe. You won’t find that blind faith here. We’ve seen who he really is and we aren’t backing down until he’s held responsible for every lie he’s told the American citizens since he took office.
Re: ” Reagan, Bush, even Clinton, all showed their college records AND thesis.”
BALONEY. Not one of them showed even their grades much less their thesis. And neither Romney nor McCain did either.
Re: “…the Benghazi affair, which is now coming out to be a staged kidnapping for Obama to be able to negotiate the release just before election time.’
And which also was made up by birthers. Admiral Lyons, by the way, never said it.
Re: “you should be quite pissed off at Obama for lying to you…’
Answer: Presidents lie all the time. The FACTS show that he was born in Hawaii and has shown his short form and long form birth certificate, and the facts on them were confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor of Hawaii. And the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen. Obama’s second Inaugural ceremony will take place on January 21.
If Benghazi was all made up by birthers, account for the cover up lies put out by Obama, Rice,, and Clinton. Why are four men dead if it was afll made up. You are as delusional as you can be. Birthers had nothing to do with Benghazi, but Obama and Clinton certainly did and it has been proven. You are the one that is not rational. I can trll you we rationafl people have about as much use for you stupid liberals as you have for the birthers.
What about his false and stolen Social Security Number, it once belonged to someone that was born in 1890, from Minnesota. Only an idiot would think that Obama was and is eligible to hold office. It also matters not where he was hatched, his father was a British Subject and according to the British Act of 1948, he too is also a British Subject, check it out for yourself.
As a British Subject the Constitution does not permit someone with potential allegiance to another country to hold office, end of story, sorry to break your bubble, but he is not nor ever was eligible to hold office, period.
Re: Social Security Number:
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have errors in their Social Security numbers and/or multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html
You might well ask why, if there is evidence that Obama has multiple SS numbers and that one of them came from Connecticut that NO committee in Congress wants to investigate? Why not?
Because it is not illegal to have mistakes in your SS files, and lots of people do.
Re: His father was a British Subject.
Answer: Yes, but since the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, and since Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a Natural Born US Citizen, as are Jindal and Rubio.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/05/early-use-of-the-term-natural-born-citizen/
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natural-born-citizenship-for-dummies/
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution
ellen, an illegal S.S. number for over 40 years? That would have been caught the first time he filed his federal taxes! You too, are a fraud and a dimwit at that!
Re: “An illegal SS number for over 40 years.’
It was not illegal. Having a SS number that indicates you filed for it from Connecticut and not one that indicates that you filed for it from Hawaii is not illegal.
More f***ing lies from ellen the liberal shill
I simply post the facts for the benefit of any rational person who may be visiting this site and seeking the facts. Here are some facts that show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
(I’ll bet no birther site ever showed you that.)
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the confirmation that the short form birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only birth certificate that Hawaii normally issues:
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
You post what you believe to be the truth, not what actually is the truth. The rest of is are able to read, listen, and weed out the lies from the fact. We cn form our own opinions about what is the truth and do not rely on you to tell us your version of the truth. Many of the things you spout as truth are liberal propaganda.
I post the facts. I do not post for you but for any rational person who may visit this site and wants to see the facts. I agree, a rational person will see the facts that show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and agree with them, as does Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, the National Review and Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and Ron Paul–and Gingrich and Santorum and Huckabee. All of them agree that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and is indeed a Natural Born US citizen due to the US Supreme Court having ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats, is a Natural Born US Citizen.
I will be one proud person if and when the truth is told and forced for Obama to stand trial for fraud and treason sent to prison next I want the death sentence due to the 4 Americans he murdered in Libya. This will be good to be rid of Obanma plus his rear kissers forevere….
I would like to believe Obama’s fraud will be verified and we can get rid of him forever. Arpaio and Zullo laid out heaps of damning evidence already. But, this conspiracy runs deep and lots of powerful people helped Obama and will continue to protect him. Then we have the cowards in our Congress and Judiciary who won’t touch the subject. Not even the conservative media will take on the responsibility. So, what additional proof could possibly change this situation? I think you could have sworn testimony from eye witnesses that Obama is not a citizen and committed forgery and fraud and it still won’t make any difference. I hope to hell I am wrong!
Prayer is good, however, it is too little too late. We have ignored God for way too long. We have become the modern Sodom and Gomorrah. We are doomed as a Superpower and most likely, will end up as a 3rd. world country. And were that the end of it, we could adjust. Civil war is ahead and it will be worse than the first. Americans can keep their heads up the asses for as long as they want but when they come out for a breathe of fresh air, they will learn the truth.
The FACTS, however, show that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama’s two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them. (The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document.
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)—-that Obama was born in Hawaii—by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Saraah Palin’s) and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii—-and only the DOH could send those notices. (Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found. (A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him—and that is hardly likely at all.
OMG! Can anyone be so naive as to believe this bimbo?!? What a retard! How much Kool Aid can a libtard drink? To believe that the Illegal Alien in the Wh is legit is to believe in Santa Claus! I guess that’s why the POSER POTUS has spent so much to hide his school records! Geez, woman (notice that I didn’t say Lady), are you really that ignorant or just evil, knowing deep down inside that he is not what he claims to be? What a fool!
Add to all this the two digit selective service cards, the multiple SSN#s and the hidden school records and what have you got? More questions, How many does one man have to have before the left starts to smell the BS
She’s a paid troll and she’s always on here posting and hoping some ignorant fool will believe her. She doesn’t understand that the people on here are not dumb clueless Americans that busy themselves with watching American Idol. Can’t get it through her thick skull but then again would we expect anything less from an Obot.
probably takin’ names as well, make sure you spell mine correctly I do not use an alias here.
Well said rocquedog. Best to ignore her. All she does is post the same heresay over and over. Blah, blah blah. She porves love really is blind.
Obama’s selective service card was indeed forged. It was forged by the birther who posted it; Obama did not post it or have it posted. He does not have to show his college records, and no president has ever shown transcripts (and Mitt Romney and John McCain certainly did not). Obama’s CT social security number was the result of a data entry error.
Oh Lord, you again. Just go away Ellen. How many times do we have to tell you that you won’t get anywhere here. And the last time you posted on the same article i did, i noticed you skeedadled once i started posting things that completely contradicted what you said. Just get lost.
Ellen, there is not one piece of legitimate documentation that this treasonous usurper can produce. That is the FACTS.
What he has produced has proven to be felony forgeries. At minimum this criminal belongs in jail. At most, hanging from the neck til he is dead. Treason, High Crimes and Misdemeanors, War Crimes against Humanity. MURDER via unmanned drones, massacring thousands of innocent men, women, and children all by the authorization of this felon in the Whitehouse.
ONLY birther “experts”—-who have not shown that they are even experts, and who CERTAINLY have not show that they are fair and impartial—have claimed that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. Those are two reasons by the birther “experts” are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, the National Review, or for that matter Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and Ron Paul.
birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
The fact that birthers claim that it is false is well understood to be caused by the fact that people who hate Obama make claims against him for their own motives. Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere. But you have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
The only one you have cdonvinced of all your rambling is yourself. Research indicatersd it was not a birther who claimed he was born in Kenya. Three family members state this to be true.
NO member of Obama’s family has ever said that Obama was born in Kenya. Birther sites made up the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born there. She in fact said that Obama was born IN HAWAII in the taped interview (birther sites simply cut off the taped interview just before she was asked “Whereabouts was he born?”
Here is SOME proof:
Partial transcript:
“MCRAE: OK. Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
(Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background: “naah?”)
BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help. I think, uh I think, I kind of, you know we’ll be coming December (unintelligible) and Vitalis, and I talking to him, so I tell him–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): –no, no– what?!?
BROTHER TOM: –that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you were a little, a little, a little American bus–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding distressed): No–yes–
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!
MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.
BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.
MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh–was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?
MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
MCRAE: OK.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.
MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I–I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it–
WOMAN’S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: –was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn’t here sir, he was born there in America.
Ends
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in
Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda
Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in
Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
(And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)
Here is the Index Data file:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html
Once again, it matters NOT where he was hatched, he is what his father was which is a British Subject, end of story! Sorry!
Actually, it matters where he was born, as it does with Rubio and Jindal. All three of them were born in the USA, and it is because they were born in the USA that they are Natural Born Citizens REGARDLESS of the citizenship of their parents at the time.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/05/early-use-of-the-term-natural-born-citizen/
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natural-born-citizenship-for-dummies/
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution
Please everyone, get on your knees and pray all day long if we have to do so, Call out God and Jesus to forgive us and to remove the evil ones from robbing us of everything and to thank God for still hearing us and please bless USA
I remember when I first heard this mess, I thought there was a slew of crazies out there. Now I wonder why is Obama spending all this money to keep all this stuff sealed???? H3LL even the richest man in the world wouldn’t spend that kind of money to hide information that would not hurt him.
Along with our prayers we must send our dollars as well, it may well be that the only way to get to the bottom of all this is if we outspend him, with all of us doing our best with all of the legit organizations that are on his tail we may well be able to have him cry uncle! If not every dime he spends says to the world exactly what you just said “why would he keep hiding it at that cost” I have given until I squeak and I have been unemployed for over a year . even those 10’s and 20;s add up coming from enough of us. I feel guilty at times sending just 10 but I know it is REALLY all I can do and it feels GREAT every time. I add one thing to your message
PRAY AND PAY!
This unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, bi-sexual, foreign national, Muslim POTUS has the money and power backing him so whatever he is told to do or say is handled. If I am wrong then he would not be in office. We all know if he was a Republican he would be in Gitmo now!
Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born US Citizen. If he were a Republican, he still would have been born in Hawaii and still would be a Natural Born US Citizen.
ellen,
I respectfully request you get your head out of where the sun doesn’t shine!!! What is it you do not know about citizenship. A “Natural Born” citizen that would be eligible to be president needs to be born from Two (that is two!!) -in case you can not count- natural born US citizens. Depending on which man you consider his father – they were either Kenyen or UK citizens. Is that plain enough for you or do you need a picture?????
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Is that plain enough for you?
yea and he would still be a liar and a thief. if wanting him out makes me a racist , then i am. i don’t like him or his wife. they are so unnatural. they only care about what they can take and if and when they are thrown out they better count the silver and anything that’s not nailed down.
The speaker mentions that Richard Nixon was taken out of office, but what he failed to acknowledge is that Richard Nixon was an American citizen and still respected the Constitution. He did not believe he was a king or “the king” and I ain’t talking about Elvis Presley here.
The current criminal in chief has the media, judges, and the Senate behind him. The media was after Nixon from the get go simply because he (Nixon) was able to see through them, and hated them. We can speculate on how great it would be to see this bass turd taken out of office in chains, but we won’t ever see it happen. We should be relieved if we are even able to get him out of there in 2016.
My brother worked for Arpaio for over 20 years as a deputy. Arpaio a self agrandizing windbag hell bent on making a name for himself and although I would love to see him nail the Muslim it ain’t gonna happen. But we can dream can’t we?
I’ll take a “self aggrandizing windbag” over a liberal traitor like that Shrf. Dupe nik in Pima Co., Az. anyday! Arpaio has stood up to the Feds on numerous occasions and is solidly behind the Constitution. Much like other Az. shrfs’ ie: Babue, Dever (deceased) and now Rod Rothrock and many others. Only one traitor in the bunch and he (Dupe nik)is an anti Constitutionalist and an enemy to the Republic. We The People need to support all Constitutionalists even if they are a “windbag”.!!!
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors#
What you say about Arpio may or may not be a fact, but i can say one thing for sure, he has done a million fold more for the cause that YOU!
Sheriff Joe is a nut, and he will do anything—including make up evidence—to hurt Obama. That is not helping your cause, it is giving it a bad name. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors#
He had an entire Investigative Team go to Hawaii to prove the Birth Certificate was REAL.
The outcome of that Investigation was that is was not REAL.
39 Grapholist Experts have proven it is a blantant fake.
Obama is a fraud & unfortunately people like you are deaf-dumb & blind to the Facts.
I hope for your sake you start doing some reading/studying & critical thinking.
I didn’t know there were so many ignorant people in the USA – It’s scary.
Re: 39 Grapholist “experts.” You are about 32 too high, and the seven or so who claimed it include at least one nut—who claimed that he had found the original Altar of Abraham (want to see his site?) and one zealot who hates Obama so much he has continued to claim that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying that he did attend, and that he graduated. The other five or so birther ‘experts’ have not shown that they are even experts, and they CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe them.
And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Obama does not have to do anything more. He has shown his birth certificate twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it.
The fact that birthers claim that it is false is well understood to be caused by the fact that people who hate Obama make claims against him for their own motives. Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
YOU can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—YOU will not get anywhere. But you have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
February 15th, the Supreme Court hears obama’s eligibility case. Let’s hope and pray that they do not cover for the traitor. Obama is the enemy within. He is a Muslim and a Marxist and he hates America.
When he is found to be a fraud, then all his obamacare and other legislation, plus all his “tzars” and appointments can be THROWN OUT!!!
On Febuary 15, the US Supreme Court will hold one of its normal conference on whether to accept cases or not, and there will be dozens of cases if not hundreds on the schedule. That is all that it will decide on February 15, whether or not to accept cases. The Supreme Court did not decide to hear Obama’s eligibility case. It will not “hear” Obama’s eligibility case on February 15. It will only decide whether or not to take the case, and most likely it will not take it—since it rejects 99.9% of all cases, and since it has already rejected 100% of birther cases.
If this is the case then we need to have a few hundred thousand of us take off work or whatever we have to do and be OUTSIDE the SCOTUS on the 15th. lets start trying to recruit NOW! I am IN and will be there , that is one, how many of you are with me?
If you can’t make the California hearing then protest at your local courthouses.
GREAT IDEA! lets keep this out there, I will!
What this fails to acknowledge is that this is no longer America where the rule of law applies to everyone including the elites in power or the ruling class. Richard Nixon was before his time with Watergate, of the wrong race and the wrong political party. There are still people amazingly enough who actually think that the rule of law can be restored and/or made to apply to one Barack Hussein Obama. Sorry but it ain’t gonna happen. FORCE is the only thing that will remove BHO from office and that will be as true 4 years from now as it is today. It matters not if the TRUTH is completely revealed about his past, his nativity, etc., it won’t make any difference. It might get on page 4 of the newspaper or the nightly news but that’s about all. It will evoke at most a big yawn from the left. He is untouchable. He will continue on unaffected by the truth even if it shows him not to be a U.S. citizen and a complete fraud. The selfish low information voters have spoken and so it will remain short of a civil war between the two opposing sides, i.e. the left and the right. We are two countries sharing a common border and that is all there is common between us.
Dream on. When the National Review says this about Sheriff Joe, it will help to explain why no official believes him:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors#
Whoever recieves this evidence and puts forth the effort to reveal it is going to run into the MSM and their circle the wagons barricade. The left cannot and will not budge from keeping proof of Fraud off the media means and go after all who dare to try and break thru their defenses. So whatever and whoever takes this on had better be prepared to use the ways of the left and hit them in the head with their own ham handed tactics…Good luck, God Bless and keep the RINO’s in the barn…
I see a lot of people here and other blogs talking about civil disobedience and such for the cause of getting Obama out, if (and I mean IF) it ever comes to that time the MSM and the advertisers that allow it to continue must be made to understand by ALL OF US the average American that we will hold them and the products they want sold boycotted. I think this would be the best and most legal route to our goals. We need to get the low info guy who still thinks what we KNOW is BS. I run into people all the time that have NONE of the facts. If we can get the advertisers to realize that we are serious the money for the MSM to continue it’s war on America will dry up like the Shara desert .
I have to agree with you/
we the people,who are the real government,to wayne/nra donald thrump you stated ovomit/satan in revolution begin,no donald an evolution,time to come together under one giant freedom umbrella,wayne/nra/amac/john birch society/all militias/all freedom loving,god fearing americian veternas/citizens.why should 525 un american vile treasonous traitor in government dictate any unconstitutional laws,or any thing to we the people,time to stand up,to these un ammerican traitors,who are not listening to we the people,for who they are suppose to be our voice,and have not listened to we the people,in a long time.that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends,it is the right of the people,to alter or abolish it,and to institute new government.well there it is.a new hearing for dr taitz on 2/15/13 to challege ovomits eligiblilty.follow it closely.we all know he is an ineligible treasonous traitor.god bless sheriff joe and cold case posse.
We the people all believe Obama is an illegal…please keep up the good work of making the people aware of this fraud. I sure hope this fraudster will be brought to justice…and soon! As for me…I don’t accept, nor recognize Obama as president…never have. This imposter needs to be taken down, then placed in front of a military firing squad!!!
Nuts we do. The proof is overwhelming that he was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Rational people also will not believe that Obama was born in a foreign country.Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama’s two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them. (The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document.
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)—-that Obama was born in Hawaii—by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Saraah Palin’s) and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii—-and only the DOH could send those notices. (Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found. (A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him—and that is hardly likely at all.
EKAK ALERT!!!! EXCESSIVE KOOL AID KONSUMPTION RESULTING IN KONSTANT KA KA OF THE MOUTH (OR IN THIS CASE, OF THE INTERNET COMMUNICATIONS).
All heresay Ellen. We need physical proof. That is something that is not there. Anyone with enough money can get any record falsified, people to lie.If you really believe those 2 BC’s are authentic then it proves you do not listen to or except the facts. Wait until after his inauguration. You are in for a BIG suprise. We ain’t seen nuttin yet!!!
Joe; you are a tenacious, determined, patriotic GREAT AMERICAN;;THANK YOU FOR FIGHTING FOR ALL AMERICANS,, YOU are going to win this battle.
mobsters were never dethroned for murder or extortion [seldom];; but they were imprisoned for income tax evasion;; there is a movement growing now to break this cancer.
I would just like to set the record straight. As years go by, the story gets changed.
1. Richard Nixon was not impeached or removed from office. He resigned before they could impeach him, after the Republicans in Congress deserted him. Clinton was impeached but cleared by a complicit Senate full of Democrats.
2. The reason Nixon was not driven from office before the middle of his second term, was because up to that point, there was no evidence, just constant charges in the press.
3. The difference between Nixon and Obama is that we have had the evidence against Obama almost since day one of his campaign starting in 2007. Whereas the press hounded Nixon for 6 years, there has been only sketchy release of Obama’s information by mainly Conservative news outlets.
4. We have known about both forged Birth Certificates since the first one was released. We have seen the forged Draft Registration. We know about the stolen ID and SS # from the French man born in 1890 and died in 1977 (the year Obama turned 18 and needed one). We know that he has 4 alias’s. (Ever hear of Harrison J. Bounell, married to Michelle Obama and living in Obama’s house in Chicago?).
5. We know about Obama’s predilection toward associating with terrorists, communists, Muslims, tax cheats, gay men, drug users, and crooked businessmen.
6. We know that in the latest election, 270,000 voters in St Lucie County Florida cast 330,000 votes, mostly for Democrats, and this was repeated all over the country.
7. Nixon was a piker compared to this guy.
Obama’s draft registration was indeed forged. It was forged by the birther who posted it. Only birther “experts”—who have not shown that they are even experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial—have said that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate.
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html
Re: “270,000 voters in St Lucie County Florida cast 330,000 votes.”
Answer; But they cast considerably fewer than 270,000 votes for Obama. The fact that more votes were cast than people, the birther press has not told you, was that there was so many issues and people running in the election, which also handled state and other federal officials up for election, that the county broke the ballot into two separate ballots. People had the right to cast both ballots, the one with the Presidential election on it and the other with state and local officials on it, and that of course amounted to more ballots than registered voters. BUT Obama did not receive more votes than registered voters either in that country or anywhere else. IF he had, the REPUBLICAN governors and secretaries of state of the swing states (and Florida is a swing state with a Republican governor and a Republican secretary of state) would have said something about it.
“BIRTHER” is an Alinsky ridicule tactic. The use of it is a dead giveaway of an Obama follower, who has read rules for radicals.
Alinsky was a socialist, just as Obama is.
There was fraudulent voting and it has been proven. Osama bin Ladin voted – give me a break. You can’t get motre voters than there are voters in a state and this happened in only the swing states. Even a fool could realize the voting for Obama was fraudulent. explakin tome hoe a 119-year-old social security number was given to Obama in error in a state he did not live in.
ellen, you might want to rethink that zip code comment since zip codes weren’t used when Obama was born. Of course, is there any evidence as to when he got a social security card?
Zip codes were used when he applied for a SS card, which was when he was a teenager. They did not give out SS cards to newborn children in 1961.
ellen, How do you know when he got a social security card? How do you explain his getting the social security number of a man who was probably already dead and living in a different state than Obama was? That’s a pretty far stretch, don’t you think?
Further comment on social security number, since the man whose social securitynumjber Obama has is years older than Obama and already had his social sercurity card and number, how would Obama be issued the same number?
We know that he got his SS card when it was necessary to get his SS card, which was when he got his first job. That would have been when he was in his teens, NOT when he was an infant. It was Old-Broad who claimed that SS numbers were given out at birth, and that is not true. Re: “How do you explain his getting the social security number of a man who was probably already dead and living in a different state than Obama was?’
Once again, millions of people have errors in their SS numbers and/or multiple SS numbers which were caused mainly by data entry errors.
In reply to: Jimbo999,
I certainly believe everything that you have said. The only problem we still have remaining is……. How do we convince people like (ELLEN)?? She seems to have all the right answers. Of course, that’s according to (ELLEN)…………………….. Just saying!!
I have the right answers because they are the FACTS;
Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by the official birth certificates, short-form and long-form, and from the repeated confirmation of the facts on them from the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii), and from:
(1) the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and as the name indicates, and as both the DOH and the papers have confirmed, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the newspapers, and the DOH only did so for births IN Hawaii) and
(2) from the public Index Data file of Hawaii and
(3) from the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley and
(4) from the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country and very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961 and
(5) from the fact that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya but said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii, and (6) from the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya and found that it was FALSE.
Showing further proof:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/
(I’ll bet no birther site ever showed you that.)
The following article links to most of the recent confirmations that Obama was born in Hawaii:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/
Thank you jimbo999. Right on!
PPSimmons got it wrong. President Nixon was not impeached. He resigned after being hounded by the liberal press unmercifully.
Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment.
What ever they say self admitted crack and dubee smoking Stymie could never had passed an FBI background check then and now for employment to the FBI.
Nor could he get into the CIA!!!
Al Sharpton needs to go with the Jesse Jackson kid to the shrink. They are all suffering from loose marbles.
Loose marble requires a mason, not a shrink.
“. . .be sure your sin will find you out!” (Num. 32:23) When you sin against the Lord, it is a sure thing that your sin will be exposed. God knows, but others will know also. Barack Obama is arrogant and refuses to bow before a Holy God. He is power hungry and his actions and policies have caused the deaths of others including millions of unborn babies, not to mention an American Ambassador and three other Americans in Benghazi. Obama’s whole life is and has been a lie, and at this moment he is living a lie that will bring him down . He has never been nor is he now eligible to be President of the United States! He will go down hard! And so will many who refused to vet him early on. Lurking in the background are shadowy figures who rule the world system from a human aspect but who are motivated by Satan. They too will not escape their judgment. That time is coming closer each day!
okay okay. for those that say the birth certifcate is real lets hear about the social security numbers, they dont add up ? but then that must be a mistake as well, right??/
Brings to Mind Occams razor
Could the Chief Justice be about to shock the Hell out of the world and rule against Obama as being constitutionally eligible to be president on February 15th?
Could Chief Justice Roberts have been defensively posturing for the blow-back, “black-lash” if you please, of a decision he may have realized would be necessary to make on Mr. Obama’s purported constitutional eligibility when he ruled so surprisingly on Obamacare?
Might not the Chief Justice have been intentionally positioning himself and the Supreme Court as apparently not unfavorable to Mr. Obama so as to insulate them both from certain to arise liberal charges of racism should a decision need to be rendered by the court on the issue of constitutional eligibility that Mr. Obama is not now and never has been eligible to be president?
If, after considering the evidence submitted to the Supreme Court in multiple cases which the court has turned down, the Chief Justice found it necessary to consider various paths that the Supreme Court eventually might have to take in defense of the Constitution, could the Chief Justice have strategically planned to first rule in favor of Obamacare—as a tax—knowing that such a ruling would theatrically demonstrate an apparent support for Obama—or, at the very least, demonstrate no antagonism towards the man—while still leaving Obamacare open to state by state dismantling until such time as a ruling on Mr. Obama’s eligibility would remove the law retro-actively as having been passed while Mr. Obama was in the commission of crimes, and most importantly, act as the perfect disclaimer to angry liberal entities who will surely cry out racism when they rallied Obama supporters to anything but “civil” disobedience should the Supreme Court retro-actively abrogate the illegal election of the constitutionally ineligible fraud and forger, Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Barack ‘King Hussein’ Obama Jr., the ‘Manchurian’ Muslim from Mombasa, a.k.a. Soebarkha, a.k.a. Harrison J. Bounel?
Could the Chief Justice be about to shock the Hell out of the world and rule against Obama as being constitutionally eligible to be president on February 15th?
Will the Chief Justice permit the two Supreme Court Justices appointed by Mr. Obama, or whatever his legal name, (the name written on his original long form birth certificate, not to be confused with the electronic file released by the White House in 2011 which has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be a poorly constructed forgery), to participate in the hearing of evidence surrounding the issue of eligibility when their conflict of interest could not be greater insofar as their very appointments to the Supreme Court would necessarily have to also be retro-actively abrogated as they were accomplished while Mr. Obama was in the commission of the criminal usurpation of the office of the president of the United States concomitant with the military rank and authority of commander-in-chief.
Mr. Obama’s criminal usurpation of the presidency is the most horrendous crime committed against the American people and our experiment in ‘government of the People, by the People, and for the People’ in our country’s history. All those complicit in Mr. Obama’s crimes must be brought to justice if liberty is to be preserved.
At this point in time, the question of whether or not Mr. Obama’s criminal usurpation of the presidency shall be addressed by the proper authorities is completely in the hands of God and Chief Justice Roberts. In God we trust.
Racism is just another one of their liberal based scare tactics. The Blacks are just as sick of this piece of chit as any other color.
obama has violated the basic ethics of humanity, committed unconscionable acts against humanity. In his narcissistic arrogance, he has usurped the high office and frauded the people of the World. He is truely hated for his inhumane acts.
I have wondered the same thing. I have wondered if his decision on Obamacare was to insulate the Court and himself against criticism against the eligibility issue. If O is proved to have been ineligible all along…we get a GIANT Do-over….Kagan and Sotomayor are gone; Dodd-Frank–Gone; The Democratic Party–FRIED!!!
BTW, I think Ellen is a fellow traveler. Comrades in arms. She probably is a card carrying member of the Communist Party.
With voter fraud alive and well the Democrats will be back in power the next election.
Re: ” If O is proved to have been ineligible all along…we get a GIANT Do-over….Kagan and Sotomayor are gone…’
You have the right to dream that it will happen, but it will not happen for the simple reason that Obama IS ELIGIBLE, having been born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials and the Index Data and the birth notices in the newspapers and the teacher who wrote home all show. And since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
Re voter fraud. Obama won by more than 4.6 million votes—332 Electoral Votes to Romney’s 206. If there was significant voter fraud in this election, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and such conservative leaders as Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review, and the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it.
It’s time to quit dicking around with the 3rd branch of the government. We will see no justice from the corrupted menbers of the Supreme Court on this. Time to appeal to the Citizens Grand Jury, by pass all this corruption and take this criminal out. File the Lawsuits and appeals to the Grand Jury.
I have known about Obama’s Grand mother stealing his SS number for him when he started to run for President, Big Joe. That is a felony, so what is stopping you from arresting him?
Because it never happened.
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers and/or multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/
With all this information, who would be willing to stand up for American laws, Since Obama himself breaks our laws, certainly not the democrats or supreme court justices, Obama has them in his pocket..Their all corrupt politicians..
He’s got enough evidence to take him out now, Why doesn’t he?
Citizenship may be difficult to deal with, but TREASON is not! These people should spend their time and efforts on his TREASON, there is plenty of evidence for that.
WE ARE AT A POINT in time that the federal government is SO CORRUPTED with Marxist “Progressives” that the ONLY VIABLE REMEDY lies within THE STATE’S sovereign powers under the Tenth Amendment to NULLIFY any and ALL unconstitutional mandates and/or laws imposed by the federal government upon the states or their citizens! ~ States retain the right to convene (2/3rds 34) and completely ABOLISH the federal government which THEY CREATED for the common good of a nation united! ~ As per the Declaration of Independence:
“when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” [Excerpted]
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”
~ Abraham Lincoln
Google: “BALANCE OF POWERS ACT” ~ make copies and send them to your state Governor and Legislature, telling them you want ACTION NOW!!!
If the evidence proves out, and the Congress and the Courts do nothing, then we the people have to act to have him removed from office. What ever you do, do not give up your guns. This is what the 2nd amendment is all about. It protects us from government tyranny.
Lawyer Orly Taitz had started a petition on the White House “We the People” site, asking that Obama resign because of his fraudulent documents. It had gotten almost 1000 signatures, when it was pulled from the site by the White House.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Check out Orly Taitz website for the latest news regarding the conference to be held Feb. 15 by the full Supreme court regarding Obama’s fraudulent and forged documents.
Read how some of her cases were dismissed by cowardly judges on the most frivolous grounds.
Buried in the bowels of the ACA. Thank You Harry Reid!
(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully- possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.‘‘
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any in- formation relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.
Gun Advocates Celebrate ‘Secret’ Obamacare Provision Forbidding Exec Order To Regulate Guns And Ammowww.forbes.com
Harry Reid (D-NV), United States Senator from Nevada and Majority Leader of the United States Senat…
Sandy Hook Shooting: Active-Shooter Drill Confirmed by Law Enforcement Raises Suspicion of False Flag Operation
Related: (Updated) Evidence: Sandy Hook School Shooting Staged by Factions of US Government and Mainstream Media?
Once again a government-funded mock emergency drill was being conducted at a nearby local school at the very same time the supposed realtime shooting was taking place at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut – leaving all the fingerprints of a government staged false flag event to strip guns from the American people.
Everything obama and this administration says is a lie. Everything.
“The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities. The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia , the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.”
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We need to demand that all presidents who are impeached have their national security clearance permanently revoked. Where us the sanity of having criminals, or persons known to have violated the public trust running around with computer access and national security clearance privileges. The same should apply to all congressmen and federal employees.
Dont give up America this is bound to happen and when God wills it it will happen and i want to see the look on this lieing muslims face and I hope he faces the gallows more than the firing squad because the gallows is more dreadful. This as others have posted (the reign of obama the fraud) has veen brought by RINO REPUBLICANS and they turned their heads while this fraud was sworn along with John Roberts and all knew he was an illegal and not even a citizen but they let this happen to win the black vote which they lost all but for the true conservative blacks who believe in America. He has come closer to destroying America and is succeeding with the help of the Rinos and is more of a danger than Adolf Hitler but look at how Hitler and Mussolinie died one by suicide and Mussolinie by his own people while hanging upside down, t doesnt pay to be a fraud and a dictator.
I’ll tell you the truth. I’m tired of all the stories that might be reported. Report a story or don’t. But stop the nonsense of raising and lowering expectations. If there is good, raw meat, hang it out in the open so everybody can see it. But if there isn’t, then stop the nonsense. I’m tired of looking like a fool every time I say something about it because there isn’t any followup by those who claim they know what they’re doing.
PPSimmons, Nixon was neither impeached nor removed from office, he resigned….
Don’t know if you’re aware but yesterday they confirmed that John Roberts WILL be swearing President Obama in for the second time. They got official word from Roberts that he’s doing it, no questions asked, apparently.
The red button that will cause this nation to explode is not the old issues but a new and fast moving one.
This President knows that, gun control is the key to bring this nation into a, Civil War. Attempting to impose, Excutive Privilege on gun control issues is a sure fire way of ripping this nation apart.. Biden is a, brain damaged nit wit. That is why he was choosen for V P. The fix is in and the trap is about to be sprung. I know of no issue since the WW 11 where the real people of this nation have felt as strongly about as this, gun control issue. There are millions of Americans we rarely hear of, that are ready to fight over this issue. This is truly the awakening of the, “Sleeping Giant”. I honestly pray that I am wrong…..
In case you have forgotten, the president can tell the US Army what guns it can buy and which it should not buy. That is because he is commander in chief of the US Army. And he has the right to tell the Army not to buy any guns from any manufacturers that sell assault weapons to the general public. You might not like him doing that, but he has the right to do it, and only a two-thirds vote by BOTH houses of the US Congress could pass legislation over his veto saying that he does not have the right to tell the Army not to buy guns from any manufacturers that sell assault weapons to the general public.
The best solution is a DNA test.That would settle the issue of him being a natural born citizen and who his parents are
Re: DNA test. Dream on. There isn’t any issue. NOT one single member of the US Electoral College in either the 2008 or 2012 presidential elections changed a vote to vote against Obama out of the nutty idea that he was born in a foreign country or the crazy legal theory that two citizen parents are required to make a Natural Born Citizen.
“T” sounds better to me than GO(O)P or Demon(crats.)
I will have a spot of “T”, any time over the above.
The mocking, smirking and silly giggling at the truth will not make it any less TRUE. This is the mocking phase of the Obama agenda. That phony mess is nothing but wanting people to smack smirks off the mockers faces for we all know that it is a diversionary tactic. Sort of highschoolish if you ask me, but then again, the mentality of those who are using it are a bit sopomoric, to say the least. Also it seems to work for the less educated, at least for a fashion until something else catches their fancy. What WE have is consistency, what Obama has is fad. People are fickle.
This has become a forum for “Ellen” and her constant defenses of Obama. Let us all leave her to talk to herself and get on to more important matters, such as the demonstration against Obama on Inauguration Day.
The man that can! His name is Sheriff Joe Arpaio ! Never backs down and comes for you that are breaking the law!
ellen, as to the republicans saying something about the fraud perpetrated by Obama, the democrats pafssed a law in 1982 tht dfoes notallow the republicans to protrest an election. Gee, guess you missed smoething huh? Leave it to the democrats and the liberals to do something that should have been illegal.
Perhaps you have forgotten but Ronald Reagan was president in 1982, and the Democrats certainly never passed such a law over his veto. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW.
Oh, yes, but there is sweetie! Do your reserarch – I have done mine and there is such a law. Check it out for af change unlike all your other useless trivia you spout. You have just proven that you do not do any research – you just believe whatever you see or hear first, or on the MSM which is known to tell lies and report the news falsely.
That is what you say, but you are lying. There is no such law. If there were, you could show it. You have not shown anything. All that you do is say that there is a law. Well there isn’t one, and if a law like that were proposed by the Democrats then Ronald Reagan would have vetoed it, and they certainly did not pass it over his veto, so there is no law. Bottom line, if there were such a law, you could show it.
Interestingly, the Cold Case Posse report said, “To quell the popular idea that Obama was actually born outside the United States, we examined the records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards routinely filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights that originated outside the United States in the month of August 1961 [Obama’s birth month]. Those records are housed at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Interestingly, records from the days surrounding Obama’s birth, August 1, 1961 to August 7, 1961 are missing. This is the only week in 1961 were these immigration cards cannot be found.”
Just think Ellen, Stanley Dunham got pregnant in 1960…During Jim Crow–at the age of 17 by a Black guy. Imagine the stigma in 1961. Today is totally different, it’s 2013. But that was 1960-61–was a class act she must have been. And don’t lecture me because we have an integrated family.
The posse said it already has identified at least one person of interest in the alleged forgery.
From this edition: http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/investigators-now-in-hunt-for-forger/
What’s the matter ellen? You don’t know how to research? You can only read the Washington Examiner, a liberal newspaper which, apparently, your only source of information. How narrow. It is not difficult to search. DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR.
By Alan Caruba
President Barack Obama could not pass a background check if he was applying for a gun permit or a job. Why has this man been allowed to remain in office or take the oath for a second time?
During the 2008 campaign, it was known that:
His official, long form birth records were SEALED.His Occidental College records were SEALED.His Columbia College records were SEALED.His Harvard College records were SEALED.His College thesis – SEALED.His Harvard Law Review articles – SEALED.His Indonesian adoption records – SEALED.His passport file – SEALED.His medical records – UnavailableHis baptism records – UnavailableHis papers from his service in the Illinois legislature – UnavailableHis Illinois State Bar Association records – Unavailable
The birth certificate that the White House released is reputed by document experts to be false.
The Social Security number he has used was issued to someone else. He could not pass an E-Verify test. The first three numbers of his Social Security ID are reserved for applicants with Connecticut addresses, 040-049. The number was issued between 1977 and 1979. Obama’s earliest employment reportedly was in 1975 at a Baskin-Robbins in Oahu, Hawaii.
Many of the “facts” he cited in his two memoirs have turned out to be questionable, if not outright lies; particularly as regards his birth father, a citizen of Kenya at the time of his birth.
A job applicant with Obama’s paper trail would not even pass the smell test, but this man was elected and reelected. The role of journalism is to vet the credentials of anyone running for public office, let alone the highest office in the land. Instead, he has been protected against all inquiries and those making them have been called “birthers” or simply ignored.
Obama so routinely lies that keeping track of them would require a team of full-time archivists.
In August 2009 he said, “I have not said I was a single-payer supporter”, but in June 2003, as an Illinois state senator, he said, “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care system.”
In March 2006, he said “Leadership means the buck stops here…I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” He is now into his second political battle to raise the debt limit. In July 2011, he said “It is not acceptable for us not to raise the debt ceiling and to allow the U.S. government to default.”
In response to a 1996 questionnaire he said “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages, but in November 2008 he said, “I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.”
He spent his first term blaming the nation’s economic ills on his predecessor, George W. Bush, saying in July 2008, that “he added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion in debt that we are going to have to pay back. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.” Today, the debt stands at more than $16 trillion because Obama added more to the debt than all previous presidents combined. For the first time in U.S. history, our credit rating was reduced and rating services are warning they will reduce it again.
He has a record of using executive orders to bypass the constitutional powers and duties of Congress. His most recent effort was 23 such orders regarding gun control at the same time Americans are buying guns as fast as they can, fearing the loss of the right to own and bear arms. This is the same President who just signed a law granting him and his family lifetime Secret Service protection.
He used “executive privilege” to cover-up the “Fast and Furious” scandal in which guns were allowed to be purchased and transported for use by Mexican drug cartel members.
He lied about the attack in Benghazi, Libya that killed a U.S. ambassador and encouraged members of his staff to spread the lie that it was “spontaneous” and the result of a video no one has seen.
He and the Democratic Party imposed “Obamacare” on the nation and its passage is already undermining the provision of healthcare services, driving up the cost of health insurance, and causing physicians and the providers of testing and other services to leave the profession and close their doors.
He no longer can blame President Bush, so now he blames the Republican Party that has offered solutions to the nation’s economic crisis that has worsened every day he has been in office. His foreign policy has consisted of apologizing for America and standing aside while one nation after another in the Middle East and northern Africa has fallen under the control of Islamist radicals. He is doing nothing to avoid the sequestration cuts that would harm national defense and a range of other government functions.
He has failed us. Congress has failed us.
It has taken four years for a case challenging his right to hold office and the Supreme Court has scheduled a “conference” in February that might decide to ignore a current case.
The mainstream media has failed us and we only hope the courts will not fail us.
He should not be administered the oath of office for a second time.
© Alan Caruba, 2013
That took me 5 minutes to look up .http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/
Replying to BlueAngel, who said: “That took me 5 minutes to look up .http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/”
First, that is not a law, though you said that it was a law. There is a difference between a law and a court case. Second, if you read it, it applies to the RNC and not to the members of the RNC. So Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Gingrich and Santorum and Palin and Bachmann can say anything that they want. Third, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review are not members of the RNC so they can say anything that they want. Fourth, no law or court ruling can prevent people from speaking what they feel is the truth. If someone were to say something that the DNC objected to under that ruling (which probably even the DNC has forgotten), it would be appealed to a higher court who would strike it down because of the First Amendment.
So, what I said still applies. If there were a shred of evidence that the election were stolen, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul and the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state, and Gingrich and Santorum and Bachmann and Ann Coulter and the National Review would have said that there was evidence that it was stolen—and not one of them did.
ROFLMAO! What an ignorant fool. IT IS A LAW! It’s a shame you are too ignorant to understand what a law is.
Blue,
AMEN.
Even though i posted earlier that
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ellen,
you must be a bot.
how many itmes must you be told that Wong only conferred 14th amendment citizenship on Wong,
…and even that Wong quoted Minor v Happerestt
WITHOUT UPSETTING THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL BORN CITIZEN………..
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IT continues to totally ignore anything new/different in favor of REPEAT…REPEAT…REPEAT
Having concluded that IT is a BOT, I made two posts
* I would like to see “IT’s” source code
* I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
With that it was sayonara ellen.
Blue,
Unfortunately it seems to be a consent decree which is , simply, an agreement between two parties; not a law.
In this case the RNC blew it and AGREED to…….( http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/)
The only hope for you is an inconsistency in the article, which after noting it was simply an agreement, later states………….
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The law has remained, even though the RNC recently challenged it at the appellate level only to be turned down by Judges Joseph Greenaway Jr., appointed by Bill Clinton; Dolores Sloviter, appointed by Carter; and Walter Stapleton, appointed by Ronald Reagan, in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
It now is pending before the U.S. Supreme Court.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/#aksfBtBgB7dsvu0v.99
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So… I remain confused…. a simple agreement or a Law?
Is the article in error by referring to is as
……….The law has remained,…………
I’m sure I’m missing something..
But ….Laws have History as Bills before becoming a law.
There should be some “ancestry” to this (?) law.
Replying to enoughalready, who said: “Those records are housed at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Interestingly, records from the days surrounding Obama’s birth, August 1, 1961 to August 7, 1961 are missing. This is the only week in 1961 were these immigration cards cannot be found.”
Answer. Only the INS records of the INS office in Hawaii were lost, not those of the entire country. And the Cold Case Posse did not tell you two things: (1) there were very few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii in 1961; and (2) a child born in a foreign country requires a US travel document, such as being entered on his mother’s US passport, to be allowed to enter the USA. If such a document had been issued for Obama in Kenya or in another country, there would be a record of it in the records of applications for travel documents and changes to passports in that country in 1961—and the Bush administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until January 1961, and they did not find such a document (or are you claiming that they are part of the plot?)
So the missing INS records for Hawaii are not proof of anything, and they certainly do not counter the fact that there is a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, and the confirmation of that fact by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data, and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home. Oh, and the fact that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obamas’ birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Replying to BlueAngel who said: “ROFLMAO! What an ignorant fool. IT IS A LAW! ”
Then you could cite the name of the law and/or the statute number and/or show an article describing it being passed. But you cannot. It is not a law, it was a legal agreement, as this show:
.http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/”
And once again, it applies to the RNC but not to its members. So Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan can say what they want about elections, and so can Gingrich and Santorum and Palin and Bachmann—and not one of them has said that the 2012 presidential election was stolen. Nor did the Republican governors or secretaries of state of the swing states. And Ann Coulter and the National Review are not members of the Republican Party, so they would have no problem in saying that the election was stolen, if they believed that the election was stolen—and they have not said anything.
When three men said to be sexually involved with Obama at Rev. Wright’s church, wound up with two murdered and one died of an infectious disease, when a witness to the passport snooping was shot in the back of the head, when various judges have dismissed cases on the most ludicrous, inane grounds, when Sheriff Joe has affidavits from talk show hosts stating they were threatened to shut up or else, one can only assume that many people are too frightened to go up against Obama.
My friends, let us not waste any more time and energy on Ellen. Let us concentrate our energies on pushing for the truth on Fast and Furious, on Benghazi, and on supporting Orly Taitz at the Supreme Court conference on Feb. 15.
Amen!
Were they all members of Wright’s basement club? Does make one wonder, doesn’t it?
Very good point.
ellen, check out this site. It should be of interest to you: http://www.superstore.wnd.com/SUBSCRIPTIONS/Whistleblower-Single-Issue-August- 2012. I’m sure you will find it of interest.
Re: ” witness to the passport snooping was shot in the back of the head…’
NO witness to the passport snoopings was shot in the back of the head. A guy was shot, but he was not a witness to the snooping, and the three witnesses to the snooping were not shot.
http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/09/birther-mythbusting-leiutenant-quarles.html
Re: ” Sheriff Joe has affidavits …”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors
And the facts remain that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home all show.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
Replying to My911, who said: “you must be a bot.
how many itmes must you be told that Wong only conferred 14th amendment citizenship on Wong,”
Answer; How many times must you be told that the Wong Kim Ark case, which was after Minor v. Happersett, defined the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in these words:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
That is why Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and Senators Hatch and Graham and former senator Fred Thompson and nine state and federal courts (and not one which ruled for the two-parent theory) all said that the meaning of Natural Born citizen does indeed come from the common law and does indeed refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
WRONG!!!!!
Bob,
This is for you and others….. not hopeless case bot ellen.
I agree with you..
The class (group) of natural born citizens was defined in Minor.
The Wong Kim Ark case did not open the class of natural-born citizens to include persons born in the US without citizen parents.
THAT is the truth.
I have asked Ellen several times… What has Obama done for you/ That is the only post I made that she has not answered. You know why? The answer is not listed where she can copy and paste.
Awesome , dude.
Natural Born Citizen is settled.
* Required by our Constitution
* Defined in Minor v Happersett
* Mentioned but untouched by Wong
Currently researching History of the 2nd Amendment.
Do you have any good links?
Hope these help.
http://www.guncite.com/journals/vandhist.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/89vand.pdf
Here is something else you can debunk and tell the experts they are wrong and you are right!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/busted-1940-census-confirms-obama-alias-born-in-1890/
Ellen does not want to believe that Obama is a liar and fraud. Why are we wasting time on her? I for one am dropping out of this useless back and forth.
I’m with you. Done with Ellen.
That makes three us Come on, guys, join us.
Like other politicians Obama may well have lied several times. HOWEVER, he was born in Hawaii and is a Natural Born Citizen. The facts in these two things do no come from Obama. Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and by the teacher who wrote home. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which ruled that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
I’m all for impeaching the lyin idiot but who’s the alternative? Joe Bite-me? Is that better? I wish we could impeach the democratic party.
I did a double-take when I heard the following statement near the end of Gallups’ video: “Remember, Richard Nixon was in his second term when he was impeached and removed from office.” That is a factual error, ladies and gentlemen.
Nixon actually resigned, making his announcement on August 8, 1974; and Vice President Gerald Ford was sworn in as President the following day. The House Judiciary Committee had approved one article of impeachment on July 26, but the full House of Representatives did not actually vote to impeach. Had Nixon not decided to resign, he most likely would have been “impeached and removed from office.” For plenty of details, see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/part3.html.
Good post. Isn’t it amazing how the facts get changed over time for political opportunism? it’s also true that Gerald Ford was never elected as either VP or President because of the bizarre circumstances of Watergate and Agnew’s forced resignation, but back then, the media wasn’t “telling tales” for political agendas as much. The issue of Natural Born to be able to run for President has never been truly and precisely adjudicated by the Supremes. Of course, if Marco Rubio decides to run in 2016, the rats re this aspect of our Constitution will come tumbling out of the walls and change their tune regarding the meaning of the term. Watch for it.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Read the latest on Orly Taitz cases. The White House petition site removed the petitions from their site, and now there is a 100,000 required signature minimum.
However, Orly Taitz started a petition directly to the US congress regarding Obama’s forged papers. sign it now and let the word get out.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Gee, too bad.
Obama’s papers are not forged. Only birther experts—who have not shown that they are even experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial—-have claimed that they are forged. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter and the National Review do not believe those claims, and those are two reasons why nobody in Congress believes them either.
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A polygraph test does not always work on psychopaths. They can beat them. As well there are certain medications that can help you defeat polygraph tests. It would not hurt, however to have them take one. They cheat and lie so much that they would find a way around about anything that involves trust. They are trained to do this. This is not just some fluke, him being in the White House. It is a well planned and thought out action that is happening at this point in a agenda for takeover of this country that has been in the works for decades.
I meant to type AN agenda.
When nasty and low life people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson represent the black people, or pretend to, there is something wrong. To give these low lifes air time is distressina and disgusting. A good man like Alan West if belittled and put down by these sorry criminal minded people playing like they are someone. If they want to run color, why not put a man in office who is somebody, Alan West, for instance?
To see Obama’s literary bios, that “HE Barack H Obama wrote in 1991″, that says, “Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii”. See the following web link:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
The following web link contains BHOs Kenyan BC both as a photo copy and a certified copy and has witness videos and statements about how Ann Dunham went into labor at a beach party. She had been refused a return flight to the USA because she was nine months pregnant.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
To see the REAL Hawaiian Registration of Obama’s Birth in Kenya visit web link:
http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/18/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/
To see proof the White House released BC is a fraud and to see his real Hawaiian Birth Registration, see the video of how his WH BC uses Kerning, which did not exist in 1961. The Video’s first 3 minutes shows Kerning used on the WH BC which Absolutely Proves it is a Forgery/Fraud. The next 9 minutes shows his Hawaiian birth Registration of foreign birth, “Born in Kenya, Registered in Honolulu”. The Birth Registration was reported and registered and signed by his Grandmother Madlyn Payne Dunham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hqNBBgwNTMc&feature=endscreen
Is that video on You Tube? I had never heard this before and would like to watch it. Thanks for notifying us of htat.
The video is based on the birther lie that the birth certificate shows Kerning, when actually it was the normal skipping of a manual typewriter. The real forgery is the one that alleges that it is a Hawaii birth certificate but also alleges that Obama was born in Kenya. That was simply not allowed in 1961 when the state only allowed the DOH to issue birth certificates to children who were born in the State. And the “born in Kenya” myth is, btw, the nuttiest of the nutty birther stories. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the KENYAN GOVERNMENT has said that it investigated and that Obama was not born there.
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Obama Troll Alert!
The most prevalent and simplest way to debunk Obama Bin Lyin’s bogus birth certificate. It has word processor kerning in it. Not only did word processors not exist in 1971, but people only wished there was a way to space letters evenly. Magic…
1961 I meant. Gotta watch out or the ellen monster will get me. *shudders*
Prayer – Lots and lots of prayer!
Just like the Founding Fathers, the people that are investigating obama and his administration are putting their lives ‘on the line’ to expose obama! Please pray for them and that they are successful with the TRUTH! EVEN when the TRUTH comes out – there will be the blind obamazombies denying it -they will have a lot to lose (power, money, elite lifestyle + the people that want ‘free’ stuff + a ‘black’ leader failing ) Pray that their eyes are opened!
After reading all this material, most of it fascinating and detailed and carefully researched by those who want the truth revealed about this President,( whether yea or nay regarding his birth and citizenship) my guess is that next big Con Job by the media and liberal scholars regarding Mr. Obama will be those who will argue that the 22nd Amendment regarding term limits doesn’t apply to him of course and has been erroneously interpreted ever since its inception. Thus, Obama should be allowed to run for a third term. I’ll bank on it. happening. This President’s greatest skill lies in pulling the wool over the eyes of too many Americans.
Obama hasthe money and power backing him so right now he is untouchable.As soon as his big money, string pulling, puppet masters are finished with him he will be somehow eliminated. We jcan be sure iof he was a Republican he would be in Gitmo now!
how about the whole ruling on the wong case, it was determined that the right of citizenship was in statue only not of constitution.
I ask when does statue overrule the constitution, just wondering
gogo,
your post/question is difficult to decipher.
But try this…..
* Natural Born Citizen is a requirement of our Constitution, but was not defined therein.
* Natural Born Citizen was defined in Minor v Happersett … a Supreme Court Case)
* US v Wong Kim Ark did NOT define Natural Born Citizen
* Wong was limited to deciding a single question
* whether the child is a citizen. The single question presented is not whether the child is a
natural-born citizen, just, simply, a citizen.
* http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/justice-horace-gray-clearly-indicated-wong-kim-ark-was-not-a-natural-born-citizen/
* http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=169&invol=649 ( This IS Wong)
* The Affirming and dissenting parts of Wong are loaded with words that might subtly confuse
* Words such as.. Citizen (Natural Born, naturalized, Native-born…..Natural Born (child, citizen, subject)
* it is also loaded with much discourse about Common Law, Natural Law, and International law.
The bottom line is that Natural Born Citizen, as needed in our Constitution was DEFINED in Minor v Happersett as………..
…. Born in America of American citizenS.
….. and obama fails to meet those conditions
Just a hunch: I think that when Obama’s team reached out to Donald Trump’s children in an effort to shut the Trump up, they crossed a line and the Trump declared war. I think that Trumps going to stand with the Cold Case Posse when they release the new information and virtually guarantee huge coverage by the media whether they want to bury the story or not. And all this just before the Supreme Court has their conference on Feb. 15th. You can’t write fiction this intriguing.
Oh my! More breaking news?! I’m so tired of you guys. If you have the goods on Barry, let’s hear it.
On February 15, the full Supreme Court will hold a conference to consider the massive evidence presented by lawyer Orly Taitz, pertaining to Obama’s forged and fraudulent documents, along with evidence of over a million and a half fraudulent votes.
Therefore, let us leave this forum to Ellen, where she can speak to herself ad infinitum.
Awesome, Dude!
AMEN.
The hospital where Obama said he was born did not even EXIST IN 1961. I dont believe he has shown the long form to anyone because he DOESN’T EXIST!!!
Why are we still wasting time debating Ellen? It is a waste of our time and energy which should be put to real use, such as supporting Orly Taitz on February 15. Also, we should be organizing our Tea Parties into one cohesive group, and joining our local political clubs, where the real power starts.
Let us close this discussion and get going on the real tough issues.
I have a feeling being John Roberts is the deciding vote that Obama will win the SCOTUS case when presented to them.
. a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany … and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama” – Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.
Obama was trained in neuro-linguistics, the use of language to influence people. As a community organizer he used these methods to influence those he taught, especially members of ACORN.
I also think Obama was trained in mass hypnosis, because there are too many smart people who have been duped!
What about his stolen social security number?
Why can’t anything about this man be legitimate and up front? His wife too! And he talks about transparency…
You know……….all this stuff is just camouflage for his real , legal, transgressions.
Suppose we kept the heat on
* Fast & Furious
* Benghazi
* Voter Fraud
* Debt
* Deficit…..
He loves it when we fail to talk about those
Re: “What about his stolen social security number?”
Answer : It is not stolen. It was caused by a data entry error.
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html
You forgot to post the link that states Obama’s CT. SSN was a mistake. Please post I would like to read.
I have shown that the zip code of Honolulu was one digit different from that in Connecticut, and that data entry errors were frequent.
Yes I saw that, but I want to see a link stating Obama’s CT. SSN was a mistake.
Re: ” want to see a link stating Obama’s CT. SSN was a mistake.”
What you want is irrelevant. There is a REASON why no member of Congress is taking up the allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was “stolen.” It is that there is no evidence of it being stolen. The mere fact that it is a Connecticut number does not prove that it is stolen because of the millions of errors. Get it? There would have to be evidence that it was stolen for it to be a crime. The fact that it is wrong is not evidence because of the millions of errors. There is no evidence.
bobmann101 and my911,
Do you guys (I assume) realize that by continuing to talk about Ellen, you give her an audience that she wouldn’t have otherwise? You’re not covering anything truly new in most of what you post, and most of your posts directly or indirectly appear to be a reaction to hers. So if you don’t entertain her obvious disability in having ID ten T syndrome, she probably would find somewhere else to play!!!
Snidley,
I agree that I give her/it an audience.
But, occasionally I try to add something that the rest of the followers
might find informative.
….and I love it when she/it makes such an obvious ass of her/it self
Snidley,
I agree that I give her/it an audience.
But, occasionally I try to add something that the rest of the followers
might find informative.
….and I love it when she/it makes such an obvious ass of her/it self
My comments are for everybody but her/it
Yep I agree I am finished wit ‘IT’
When Obama ignored an offer from Donald Trump, of five million dollars for charity, simply to show a couple of documents, that caused many people to wonder what he is hiding.
It appears that the left has a stranglehold on the government, and that millions of Americans are getting ready to throw off yet another tyrant.
You can post this when ‘IT’ Makes another comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1HzoMgLF7k
Re: “When Obama ignored an offer from Donald Trump, of five million dollars for charity, simply to show a couple of documents, that caused many people to wonder what he is hiding.”
Answer: The facts are that Trump made the $5 million offer to Obama and NOT to Mitt Romney. Don’t you think that the first racially mixed president of the United States, who happens to have graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude, would regard it as insulting for someone to ask to see his college records and not those of the white guy he was running against????
Also: When your political enemy makes you an offer, it’s probably a good idea not to accept it.
Obama has shown his birth certificate from Hawaii and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it repeatedly, as has the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Re youtube.
Answer: Obama’s Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
“Birther” “trutherism” etc. are Alinsky terms of ridicule. We are wasting time debating “Ellen”, who keeps regurgitating the same old arguments, while ignoring the truth.
Let Western Journalism declare this discussion closed, as it is going no where and wasting our time.
Amen!
That’s what happens when you argue with an Obamabot..
Just thought I would throw this in for you to use if you care tol.
Well, I do mean to be politically incorrect, but while I’m doing it, I want to be factually correct, so let me fix something in people’s mind.
The legal name of our Fraudulence-in-Chief isn’t “Sorento” and never has been.
I mean, does this unqualified, illegal, phony, lying, racist, bigot, half breed, foreign national, Muslim POTUS look Italian?
As a baby, the little bastid was legally adopted by an Indonesian government thug named Soetoro (nickname “Lolo”) who married the woman who whelped the kid, Stanley Ann Dunham. In so doing, Soetoro conferred upon our little red diaper baby the legal name Soebarkah (nickname “Barry”) and made him formally both a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia and a Muslim.
None of this can be disputed. There are records that our POTUS-With-An-Asterisk hasn’t been able to seal by Executive Order, including Stanley Ann’s Indonesian government passport information. Like lots of babies, little Soebarkah traveled on his mom’s passport until he got his own Indonesian travel documents.
That passport, by the way, is how our Kenyan Keynesian traveled to Pakistan in 1981. A private American citizen wasn’t allowed to enter Pakistan on a U.S. passport at that time. Indonesia (then as now) is the most populous Muslim country in the world.
When Stanley Ann mailed Barry back to live with her parents in Hawaii at the age of 10, the kid was “a good Muslim schoolboy” named Soebarkah who had lost his American citizenship by virtue of immigration to Indonesia and adoption by Soetoro.
No action was taken subsequently either to naturalize the kid as a U.S. citizen or to change his legal name back to “Barack Hussein Obama II,” so….
Yeah, he’s not only not a natural born citizen by virtue of his legal parentage (no matter where it’s argued that he’d been born) but he’s not a U.S. citizen at all.
And his legal name is still Soebarkah, nickname “Barry.”
Bob,
Someday the TRUTH shall out!
Does anyone remember or know who it was that stated Obama was not born in the US and started the birther movement? Yep it was Hillary Clinton during the debates. Those of you who believe Obama was born in Hawaii or Kansas take it up with Hillary Clinton!
There were rumors that Chelsea Clinton’s life was threatened if Hillary and Bill did not shut up about Obama’s birthplace.
Jeannie,
Rumors, Rumors
How about a FACT.
ALL of our lives are threatened/in danger if we FAIL to get the truth!
After I posted my comment I did some research and came up with only one link. about the threat.
http://www.dailypaul.com/224923/obama-campaign-threatens-life-of-chelsea-clinton-to-keep-parents-silent-on-obamas-ineligibility
This link is about a judge who stated Obama’s BC who not stand up in court. Ellen needs to contact him and tell him how wrong he is. She knows it all
http://godfatherpolitics.com/4488/alabama-supreme-court-justice-says-obama-birth-certificate-would-not-stand-up-in-court/
Just my opinion: 41 reasons why I believe Obama is not Christian.
1. Obama’s father and step-father were Muslims.
2. “Arabic forenames based on the H-S-N trilateral root … (Husayn or Hussein, Hasan, Hassân, Hassanein, Ahsan, and others) are exclusively bestowed on Muslim babies. … Obama’s middle name, Hussein, explicitly proclaims him a born Muslim.
3. Four years of Indonesian school enrollment records reveal his religion is Islam. 4. Michelle Obama revealed don’t exchange Christmas gifts -01/4/2013 – Muslim tradition. 5. He wears no jewelry during Ramadan – Muslim tradition.
6. Obama employed several Nation of Islam members in high positions on his Illinois
and U.S. Senate campaign and office staffs.
7. Senator Obama stated that Israel is the cause of all Mideast problems and that Israel is an apartheid state.
8. Senator Barack & Michelle Obama have attended several Arab Fundraisers and have had meetings with Palestinian Activist, PLO/Arafat Advisor Edward Said.
9. Senator Hillary Clinton 2008 campaign staff disclosed details of Obama’s Muslim past and concluded he concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.
10. Candidate Obama, while running for president, made it clear that he did not support a “right of return” for Palestinian refugees. But now that he’s president, he has reneged on that promise.
11. President Obama says there is nothing more beautiful than the Muslim Call to prayer in the evening and has quoted it in fluent Arabic with perfect accent.
12. As President he bows to the Muslim King of Saudi Arabia. The most powerful man in the world bows to no one. But the subservient Muslims bows.
13. As President he does not bow to the Christian Queen of England.
14. Obama keeps saying things about Muslim history that is not true. Obama has said we are one of the largest Muslim countries. We are down at number 41 on the list of most Muslims in a country. Obama has said there are 7 million Muslims in America. The most liberal numbers indicate 4 million and conservative estimates are at 2 million.
15. Obama, not only refused to have a White House celebration of the National Day of Prayer, but instead feasted the Muslim holiday of Ramadan.
16. Obama, while celebrating the holy month of Ramadan at a White House dinner, stated that he is in favor of building the mosque near Ground Zero.
17. He says that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation.
18. Obama orders the Christian monogram “IHS” (Greek symbols for Jesus) to be covered up at the Christian school Georgetown University Gaston Hall, before giving his speech.
19. In answering the question on whether he believed in a literal heaven or not, Obama retorted: “What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die.” This is the Islamic Muslim view, not Christian.
20. Barack Obama’s response when asked pointedly, “Who’s Jesus to you?” “Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching
something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher.” This again is the Muslim view, not Christian.
21. President Obama gave a 2009 Cairo speech emphatically stating to the Middle Eastern world that it was “part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against
negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
22. When it comes to Christianity, he has actually done just the opposite. Two years after his interview with Chicago Sun Times religion reporter Cathleen Falsani, on June 28, 2006, then Sen. Obama publicly perpetuated negative stereotypes of Christianity and defamed the religion and the words of its founder. From the pulpit of a church, speaking to a live
audience about religious diversity, Obama sarcastically belittled America’s Judeo-Christian
heritage and degraded its adherents with trite remarks typical of any atheistic antagonist, saying things like: “Whatever we were, we are no longer a Christian nation,” “The Sermon on the Mount is a passage that is so radical that our own defense department wouldn’t survive its application” and “To base our policy making upon such commitments as moral absolutes
would be a dangerous thing.”
23. If a self-proclaimed non-Muslim president would fight repeatedly for Muslims’ religious rights to the degree that our president has, don’t you think “a committed Christian” president would at least fight once for any antagonistic oppression of Christian faith and practice, too? Yet, on no occasion since taking office has President Obama stood up publicly for a single Christian individual, group, church, act or event, whom or which was being opposed or oppressed by others.
24. Why didn’t the president stand up for the rights of the North Carolina pastor who was fired from his duties as an honorary chaplain of the state house of representatives after he closed a prayer “in the name of Jesus”?
25. Why didn’t the president stand up for the children from the Christian private school who were “abruptly” ordered by a court police officer to stop praying outside the U.S. Supreme Court building?
26. Why didn’t the president himself stand up for the human rights of the Christian missionaries and medical team in Afghanistan, including six Americans, to practice medicine and their faith, even after they were murdered by Islamic extremists?
27. Why didn’t the president stand up for the rights of the Rev. Franklin Graham, the son of the Rev. Billy Graham, who was disinvited from a Pentagon prayer service on the National Day of Prayer because of his Christian views and values?
28. Why didn’t the president stand up for the rights of the Greek Orthodox Church, the only church that was actually destroyed in the Sept. 11 attacks, as church leaders have been frustrated and fouled by New York officials who have virtually turned their backs on the reconstruction of the church near Ground Zero?
29. Why didn’t the president stand up for the rights of over 70% of Americans opposed to a Ground Zero mosque, but takes the side of Muslims who are attempting to build the Ground Zero mosque?
30. Obama’s church (Trinity United Church of Christ) does not teach Christianity. The church guiding principles are called the “Black Value System”. Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim and friend of Louis Farrakhan, Muslim founder and President of The Nation of Islam. Farrakhan has spoken frequently at Trinity.
31. Reverend Wright’s “hate” sermons against America and white people are virtually identical as Farrakhan’s-who followed Malcolm X. Wright’s “hate” speeches are a blend of The Nation of Islam and Black Nationalist Liberation Theology into a subversive Christianity, not recognized by most black Christians.
32. Obama embraced “Christianity” at this church. For 20 years he was a member and good friend to Rev. Wright. Wright married the Obamas. Rev. Wright was his mentor and gave advice until it became public knowledge during the campaign.
33. During the week of 14-18th of January 2010, on the Nile TV broadcast “Round Table Show”, the Egyptian Foreign Minister Abul Gheit said while meeting with Obama, he swore to him that he was a Muslim, the son of a Muslim father and step-son of Muslim step-father, that his half-brothers in Kenya were Muslims, and that he was loyal to the Muslim agenda. He asked that the Muslim world show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic American problems, that he would show the Muslim world what he would do with Israel.
34. Obama’s wedding ring is actually the ring that he has been wearing since his college years and its Arabic inscription praises Allah.
35. “Muslim clothing: Zulfin Adi, among Obama’s closest childhood friends, recalls about Obama, ‘I remember him wearing a sarong.’ Likewise, [the Washington Post’s] Maraniss found not only that ‘His classmates recalled that Barry wore a sarong’ but had written exchanges indicating that he continued to wear this garment in the United States. This fact has religious implications because, in Indonesian culture, only Muslims wear sarongs.
36. Several of those who knew him contradict this recollection. Rony Amir describes Obama as ‘previously quite religious in Islam.’ A former teacher, Tine Hahiyary, quoted in the Kaltim Post, says the future president took part in advanced Islamic religious lessons: ‘I remember that he had studied mengaji.’ In the context of Southeast Asian Islam, mengaji Quran means to recite the Koran in Arabic, a difficult task denoting advanced study.”
37. In Islam, the father passes his faith to the children; and when a Muslim male has children
with a non-Muslim female, Islam considers the children Muslim. Obama’s grandfather and father having been Muslims – the extent of their piety matters not at all – means that, in Muslim eyes, Barack was born a Muslim.
38. Obama was registered at a Catholic school in Jakarta as ‘Barry Soetoro.’ A surviving
document lists him as born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961; in addition, it lists him having Indonesian nationality and Muslim religion.
39. He was also registered as Muslim at SD Besuki: Although Besuki is a public school. Obama curiously refers to it in ‘The Audacity of Hope’ (p. 154) as ‘the Muslim school’ he attended in Jakarta. Its records have not survived, but several journalists (Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star, Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times, David Maraniss of the
Washington Post) have all confirmed that there too, he was registered as a Muslim.
40. The record points to Obama having been born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and having lived for four years in a fully Muslim milieu under the auspices of his Muslim Indonesian stepfather. For these reasons, those who knew Obama in Indonesia
considered him a Muslim.
41. Even as president when addressing Muslim audiences, Obama uses specifically Muslim
phrases that recall his Muslim identity. He addressed audiences both in Cairo (in June 2009) and Jakarta (in November 2010) with ‘as-salaamu alaykum,’ a greeting that he, who went to Koran class, knows is reserved for one Muslim addressing another. In Cairo, he also deployed several other pious terms that signal to Muslims he is one of them:
“The Holy Koran” (a term mentioned five times): an exact translation from the standard Arabic reference to the Islamic scripture, al-Qur’an al-Karim.
“The right path”: a translation of the Arabic as-sirat al-mustaqim,
which Muslims ask God to guide them along each time they pray.
“I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region
where it was first revealed”: Non-Muslims do not refer to Islam as “revealed.”
“The story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed … joined in prayer”:
This Koranic tale of a night journey establishes the leadership of Muhammad
over all other holy figures, including Jesus.
“Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them”: a translation of the Arabic ‘alayhim as-salam, which pious Muslims say after mentioning the names of dead prophets other than Muhammad. (A different salutation, sall Allahu alayhi wa-sallam, “May God honor him and grant him peace,” properly follows Muhammad’s name, but this phrase is almost never said in English.)
Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated, Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.
Here, take a look at this article
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html
Re: “Let us all hope and pray that at the Supreme Court conference on February 15, the evidence is given full consideration and Obama is removed from office. If “riots in the streets” result, it is a small price to pay.”
In case you did not notice it, on February 19, the US Supreme Court turned down Orly’s case.
Before the February 15 Supreme Court conference, four African American law clerks withheld boxes of evidence from the five conservative Justices. The four leftist Justices then denied the case, with the five conservative Justices being kept in the dark. The law clerks deliberately sabotaged the case. It is being appealed and other measures are being taken.
Dream on. BTW, haven’t you heard that the US Supreme Court is an appeals court. It does not consider evidence. It only decides on whether or not the law and the Constitution have been correctly applied. (Orly apparently does not know this, since she sent the boxes of “evidence.”)
Could you please send a link to verify your statement : the US Supreme Court is an appeals court. It does not consider evidence? That makes no sense to me. How would the court make a decision without seeing the evidence of your case. A person needs evidence as to the reason of their case.
You need to contact Orly and set her straight with all your factual information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States
EXCEPT in cases where it has original jurisdiction (cases between states and against foreign diplomats, the US Supreme Court decides on what the law and the Constitution say, and whether or not the law and the Constitution have been correctly applied. When it finds that the law has not been correctly applied, it does not set the defendant free. it sends the case back to the lower level court for a trial on the evidence using the criterion that the US Supreme Court has set. It does not consider evidence, only whether or not the law has been correctly applied. To be sure, it does consider sociological evidence, such as whether or not separate but equal is really equal, but it does not consider whether or not John Jones is guilty of a crime. If Jones can prove that he was not fairly tried, if for example the court-appointed lawyer was incompetent, or tainted evidence was allowed to be presented, the US Supreme Court sends the case back to the trial court and orders it to give him a fair trial. It does not decide whether Jones was guilty or innocent. It does not even consider whether or not Jones was guilty or innocent.
Yes I understand what you are saying about the SCOTUS about upholding our Constitution and seeing that lower courts make their decisions according to the Constitution.
A lawyer has to submit a brief to the court, which is a concise outline form of your case as explained.
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/adminlaw/casebrief.html
The court needs evidence for your reasoning as to why are there and why the lower courts dismissed your case.
Then you present your oral arguments. Your explanation is your reason/evidence.
The power of the SCOTUS to overturn laws and executive actions it deems unlawful or unconstitutional is a well-established precedent. Therefore the SCOTUS can and has overturned a lower courts decision. There have been occasions where it has overturned it’s own precedents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedures_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States
Re: “The power of the SCOTUS to overturn laws and executive actions it deems unlawful or unconstitutional is a well-established precedent. Therefore the SCOTUS can and has overturned a lower courts decision. There have been occasions where it has overturned it’s own precedents.”
All of which is true. However, except in cases of original jurisdiction, it is an appeals court. It decides on the basis of the law and the constitution, not on the basis of the facts of the case. It does not decide whether a person is guilty or innocent, only whether she or he received a fair trial. If the trial was fair, the decision stands. If not, the case goes back to the trial court which must again determine the facts based on the evidence. The US Supreme Court does not look at that evidence.
So, when Orly submitted “evidence” that Obama’s BC was forged and “evidence” that Obama has a CT Social Security number, the justices would not look at it, even if they had decided to take the case. All they would decide is whether or not her appeal to the lower court was decided according to the law and the constitution. That is why it reads briefs and not evidence.
So, when Orly ranted about the clerks not showing the justices four boxes or whatever of evidence, she was showing how much she knew about how the US Supreme Court works. She says that it was unfair for the clerks not to show the justices the boxes. I say that that is what the clerks normally do, send the justices briefs and not evidence.
In any case, the justices turned down her appeal, and did not even ask Obama to submit a brief in the case.
“ELLEN” appears to be one of yet another “organization” of Obama’s, “Cyberwarriors”, posting scripted responses to opponents.
Actually, I am not a member of any organization. Are you? If you were, or I was, or we both were, would it change a single fact? No, of course it wouldn’t.
Well, what then are the facts? The facts are that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, which has been shown overwhelmingly by his birth certificate and the confirmation of it by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and also shown by the public Index Data file, and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, as the name shows, and the DOH only did so in 1961 for births in Hawaii). And there is still further proof that Obama was born in Hawaii from the Hawaii teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.
And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen really does come from the common law and really does refer to the place of birth, as the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case, which BTW was AFTER Minor v. Happersett).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://inquisitionnews.blogspot.com/2013/02/orly-taitz-press-release-clerks-of.html
this gives all the details. If evidence is not to be received, why did the clerks take four boxes and return five?
Are you saying that she sent nine boxes and got back only five? Or, are you saying that she sent four and they sent back more boxes than she sent them, five—maybe somebody else’s box?
But, regardless of how many boxes Orly sent to them, the US Supreme Court is an appeals court. It only considers the constitution and the law, not evidence. And Orly’s case was not even being heard. It was simply on a list of forty or fifty case that the US Supreme Court was considering hearing. When the US Supreme Court is considering taking some cases from a list of dozens upon dozens, all that it looks at are the briefs. So, Orly is pulling your chain—as she often has–the clerks did not send the boxes of “evidence” to the justices because the justices do not look at evidence.
Sure, there’s (1) the original, long-form 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate. Then there’s:
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham)— not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s reptriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii)— not released
8) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.(These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)
13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released
17) Obama’s passport records — not released
JUST WHO IS THIS GUY…. OBAMA??
Barack Obama is less of a person than an image—a brand. People see what ever they want as they do on a Rorschach test.
But does anyone really know him? In fact, he is:
* A man with no birth certificate.
* A man whose birth records, both in the United States and Kenya, are sealed by government order.
* A man whose childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union, edited a communist newspaper, authored pornographic novels, and wrote poetry in praise of Joseph Stalin.
* A man who promised transparency in government, but has spent over a million dollars in legal fees hiding information that would determine his eligibility to be President.
* A man whose academic records are sealed from kindergarten through law school.
* A bi-racial man who derided his grandmother (a bank-executive who sent him to an exclusive private school), calling her “a typical white person.”
* A man who arrived in New York in June of 1981 without enough money to get a hotel room, but one month later flew to Indonesia and Pakistan.
* Why did he go?
* Who paid his expenses?
* A man who traveled to Pakistan when it was illegal for U.S. citizens to do so. So what country’s passport did he use? And what country is he really a citizen of?—it’s not the USA.
* A man whose Law School Admission Test scores and grades at Columbia University are known to have been mediocre, but was admitted to Harvard Law School through the intervention of a Saudi named Khalid al -Mansour.
* A law review editor who never published an article in any law review.
*A law-school grad who was turned down for a lowly job as an adjunct instructor, but who was then given a corner office and a minimal teaching load (one intro course) when an unidentified person leaned on the Dean.
*An adjunct instructor who was despised by the law school faculty—the professors considered him lazy and stupid—but who is lauded by the fawning press as a “Constitutional scholar.”
* A man who has publicly called the US Constitution “fundamentally flawed.”
* A lawyer with no significant accomplishments in the law and no reputation in the legal community.
* A former State and U.S. Senator, who authored just one piece of legislation—which funded the Marxist campaign of his Kenyan cousin, Odingo.
* A former State Senator who routinely used State limosines as a place to smoke crack cocaine and engage in homosexual acts with young men, three of whom ended up shot in the back of the head (officially deemed “suicides”).
* A disciple of the Marxist Saul Alinsky.
* A product of the Chicago political machine—the most corrupt political organization in America.
* A man who selects Marxists, corrupt politicians, and criminals as his close political associates and personal friends.
* A man whose Presidential campaign was financed by Soros and Middle Eastern sources.
* A man whose presidential candidacy was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America, the Socialist International, and the Workers International League.
* A man lauded for the literary brilliance of two memoirs, both of which were ghostwritten by domestic terrorist Bill Ayres..
* A so-called Christian who says that knowing when human life begins is “above his pay-grade,” but somehow knows that abortion is permissible at any stage.
* A man who thinks “waterboarding” is immoral, but that partial-birth abortion is moral.
* A man who publicly laments slavery in America—which was abolished 150 years ago—but praises Islam, which still practices both slavery and the sexual mutilation of young girls.
* A man who speaks endlessly about helping the less fortunate, but gives almost none of his sizeable income to charity—not even to his half-brother, who is living in squalor in Kenya.
* A man who had the most left-wing voting record in the United State Senate, but was predicted by the press to “govern from the middle.”
* A man who has never created a job, met a payroll, or even operated a lemonade stand, but wants to tell Detroit how to make cars.
*A man whose wife (who attained a position of affluence through affirmative action) publicly proclaimed that she had never been proud of America until her husband became President.
* A President who has never before served as an executive in either the private or the public sector.
* A Commander-in-Chief who doesn’t know how to shoot a rifle, throw a hand-grenade, drive a tank, fly a plane, or con a ship.
* A Commander-in-Chief who has publicly divulged some of our nation’s most important intelligence secrets.
* A man who has been put in charge of the largest economic engine that ever existed, but has never invested in the stock market and admits total ignorance of it.
* A President who says that science will guide his administration, but has no education in the sciences.
* A man praised for his public speaking skills who is proficient in reading what is written for him on a teleprompter, but who jerks and stammers his way through any off-the-cuff speaking.
* A man who requires a teleprompter in order to be able to speak for five minutes to a class of kindergartners.
* A man whose health records are sealed from childhood to the present day.
* A man who spent 20 years in a church whose pastor espouses Marxist Liberation Theology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Semitism, but claims he never heard his pastor utter anti-American, and anti-Semitic statements.
* A man who added more to the National Debt in 120 days than all other Presidents did in the past 220 years, yet feels qualified to lecture Americans about “fiscal responsibility.”
* A man who publicly expressed disdain for the U.S. Constitution on a Chicago radio station because it limited the government’s ability to “redistribute wealth.”
* A man who sits and listens submissively while his country is castigated by Daniel Ortega—a Communist thug whose own daughter accused him of raping her.
* A narcissist who gave the Queen of England a present from the United States—an iPod containing recordings of his own speeches.
* A so-called Christian who officially declared “Pride Month” for a lifestyle that the Bible calls an abomination.
* A man who wanted Americans to ignore his Muslim name during his election campaign, yet boasts of his Muslim name when he travels to Muslim countries.
* A man who can name hundreds of America’s shortcomings, yet none of its great accomplishments.
* A President who claims the moral high ground by closing Gitmo yet supports the transfer of terror suspects to countries where horrific torture is certain.
* A President who scoffed at being called a socialist yet acted to nationalize the auto industry, the banking industry, and the insurance industry . . . and now seeks to nationalize the healthcare industry.
* A President who violates private property rights, the sanctity of contracts, and the rule of law—three essential principles that go back over a thousand years in the Common Law tradition.
* A man who promised 95% of all Americans a tax cut, but is increasing taxes on 100% of the population through inflation—the cruelest tax of all.
* A lawyer who represented ACORN—an organization now indicted in several states for voter fraud—whose stated goal is to get as many people on welfare as possible in order to destroy our financial system.
* A President who cheated GM’s bondholders by giving their property to the UAW in a political payoff.
* An American President who frequently criticizes his own country when speaking in foreign countries, but never praises America’s generosity, goodness or greatness.
* A President whose Secretary of the Treasury cheated on his taxes—as did several other appointees and advisors.
* A President who scoffs at being called a socialist, yet has appointed 28 “Czars” to circumvent constitutional government, including: a“Science Czar” who has advocated compulsory abortions for American women and the “surrender of sovereignty” to a “comprehensive Planetary Regime;” a“Green Jobs Czar” who is a self-professed communist; a “Pay Czar” to unconstitutionally micro-manage the pay of corporate executives.
* A President who swore an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic,” yet who placed a domestic enemy of the Constitution (Sotomayor) to the Supreme Court.
* A President whose Homeland Security Chief classified pro-lifers, veterans, and supporters of traditional marriage as terrorists.
* A President who stood silent while the Iranian government hacked unarmed protestors to death with axes, because it was an internal matter, but freely offers his opinions about the internal affairs of Israel and Honduras.
* A President who decreed that true acts of terrorism must now be described as “man-made disasters.”
* A President who, on national television, called Special Olympians “retards.”
* A President who refused to intercept or inspect a North Korean ship virtually certain to be carrying Weapons of Mass Destruction to Burma.
* A President who wants to cancel all missile defenses while rogue nations are developing long-range ballistic missiles.
* An American President who blames the violence in Mexico on America.
* A Commander in Chief who claims to have been unaware that Air Force One was taken on a terrifying, low-level photo-op over Manhattan.
* A President who berates American CEO’s for flying in private planes at private expense on company business, but whose wife spends hundreds of thousands tax payer dollars flying to Paris for shopping sprees.
* A President who promised a transparent administration, but requires all questions be screened before “impromptu” appearances.
* A man who freely admitted that his energy policies are designed to bankrupt the American coal industry.
* A President who has presided over the loss of 14.7 million jobs and whose “energy policy” will cause the loss of another 1 million jobs.
* A President whose “energy policy” will increase the average American’s utility bills by over $2,000 a year in the middle of the Great Recession.
* A President whose caucus rammed through unconstitutional “healthcare reform” which nationalizes almost one-fifth of the Americn economy.
* A President who is by definition a fascist, as his unconstitutional takeover of the healthcare industry, the auto industry, and the the financial and banking industry, has effectively nationalized one-half of the American economy.
SOMEONE KNOWS:
The vast majority of Americans do not know who he is, but someone surely does.
* Someone paid for his travel expenses to Pakistan and Indonesia.
* Someone engineered legal challenges to all of his election opponents for the State Senate and had them disqualified.
* Someone straightened and leveled his path to the U.S. Senate when a Democrat Judge made public the sealed child custody records of his Republican opponent. When he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate, someone arranged for him to speak at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.
* Someone saw to it that all of his records were sealed, both at home and abroad. Someone assembled the massive organization for his run for the Presidency. Someone knows all about him.
Obama has Paid the law firm of Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.3 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. Blocking dodging and weaving!!
Obama has not shown his baptism certificate or his college grades because NO president ever has. However, he did voluntarily show his birth certificate from Hawaii twice, and this is confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, who is a friend of Sarah Palin’s) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show.
And the stuff about him spending $2.3 million, or even one cent, on hiding his records was all made up by birthers. In fact, there was NEVER a lawsuit against Obama for records or for his birth certificate. There were only lawsuits against Obama to get him off of ballots or declared not eligible——all of which Obama won. Hence Obama did not spend a cent on “hiding” anything. Whatever he spent, and it wasn’t very much because it doesn’t take much to file the same boiler plate over and over, was to stay on the ballots, which as said, he won in every single case.
He won the election by fraud and that has been proven. His so-called birth certificate has been pretty much proven to be a fraud.
Instead of wasting your time with Ellen start from the top and read her comments and all your potential comments you will see what she has copied and pasted she has stored in her documents. No need to reply to her comments because you will get the same reply’s everyone else has.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again,……..there is NO scandal big enough to sink O’Bummer, he is the true “teflon President”
wrong;; you will see soon enough; there is an awesome force building at the local levels of government;; he will be taken down from within……..
MAYBE there is, but Obama really was born in Hawaii, and really is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Uh…guess we will have to wait and see on that. No one is too big to fall. The bigger they are the harder they….
JOHN GOTTI thought the same thing…until the “teflon” wore off! ~ We wasted 4 years on Congress and as a result got Obama back for a second illegal term! ~ Congress COULD have stopped this fraud in 2008 but actually aided and abetted in it!
BOTTOM LINE: Focus your attention on YOUR STATE GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE as THEY are the last line of defence that can prevent the LAST RESORT of the Second Amendment to be invoked by patriot citizens!
Google: “BALANCE OF POWERS ACT” ~ send copies to your state Governor and Legislature, demanding ACTION NOW!!!
“I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.”
~ General Douglas MacArthur
Well, I guess it will take teflon to cover teflon. We got a few teflon people who know their way around the “ball field,” as well. What goes up must come…..right?
Just know Americas are the inventors of anthing harder than telfon. We will not submit to this bunch of illiterate, rhetoric speaking bunch of hedonists who have fringed their way into control of our Justice Departmen and are playin favorites at dispensing Justice. Where there is not Justice, there will be anarchy.
Sure there is. The last birther meeting drew a few hundred people. Birthers could not even convince Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and Ron Paul that the birther claims are right. Sure there is an “awesome force.” Sure there is.
They have people in place in the local levels of the government and have for years. They run people and politicians in all the state local and county governments who are on his agenda. They destroy paperwork that is needed by the higherups who would do something. There is no accountability for anything happening that is contrary to justice in many cases. These people have race carded and minority carded and sex orientated themselves right into posisitons where they are set up to prevent justice in most counties of all states. They occupy positions from janitors, mail room clerks, union workers and the like on up to top politicians who hire in their own to secure the agenda. They did away with the civil service test and fair hiring practices years ago under the guise that it discriminated against certain ethnics, when it is a known fact that those better qualified were left out of the jobs. Anyone who is not as qualified does not deserve to be hired. It is a ruse to get their dumb azzed people in who will go along with the agendas of those willing to destroy this Republic as if it is some kind of game. Get them all out. They are like a bunch of cockroaches who will not stand up under scrutiny. That is why Soros bought out 90 percent of the media. This should be against the law what they have done to the media and telecommunications and the security of this country. America will have no alternative but civil war if those lazy, cowardly and incompetent bas*ards in Congress, House, Senate and state leadership do not act on the Law of this land. It those who do not agree with the Constitution want to riot, they better remember there is a remedy for that when they are doing this so crimes agains America will continue. We will stand up against these sorry people. We have NOTHING to lose if our freedoms are gone and this crooked foreign agent is playing as our President.
More than a month has passed, and no sign of that “awesome force” having done anything at all.
From your keyboard to God’s eyes my friend!!!
God I hope so MalcomX
Have you not read any of the proofs of Obama’s forged, fraudulent and hidden documents? Or are you one of those who hearing, do not hear, and seeing, do not see?
AND REALLY, Ellen, You haven’t a CLUE on WHAT the definition of a NATURAL BORN citizen is other than what Chris Matthews, on TV, told you! ~ You REALLY haven’t a CLUE as to WHY our founders required U.S. Presidents and Vice Presidents to be born U.S. citizens of TWO citizen parents so they would have TOTAL ALLEGIENCE to the USA…..like Obama does NOT have! ~ Duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh!!!
I really don’t know for sure, but I do know there are major questions that have never been answered by this President. Why not? You can see my official birth certificate upon request and I’ve sent a certified copy many times to get govt approval, i.e, Passport, driver’s license, security checks, job verification. Why is that so difficult for this man that he’ll hire lawyers and spend millions to keep it out of the public eye? Why are his other key documents bizarre at the very least, i.e, his Social Security # and his draft card date? Mine are clear. Why not his? At the very least, if fraud was perpetrated on Obama when he was young, then why not tell that story to the American people, instead of hiding under his desk?
BTW, I believe President George W. Bush did release his college transcripts.
Well, at least one thing is for sure. We all now know for sure.(ELLEN) will definetly not help us.
ELLEN NEEDS help!
Hosea 4:6 “My people perish for their lack of knowledge”!
That’s exactly right Anticrime. Start with your county Sheriff’s Official on up to the State Legislature.
The Tenth Amendment and Nullification. http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm
Please share this video of Sheriff Mack and the Constitution, forward it to your county Sheriff’s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEFEnzQ_KPg&feature=share
Troll Alert! I’ll bet she’s a fat ugly bitch besides!! Kinda’ like all those other libtard sluts. Whenever they open their mouths, its either crap coming out or some liberal-Clinton wannabe’s schlong going in!!!
Time will tell. There is more than one way(s) to skin a cat. Media or no media, it will happen. A crook, is a crook, is a crook. Now if the higher ups think they are going to be the only people not having to play by the rules, then there are masses of people out here who will disregard laws either legitimate or not legitimate. When people realize, and they will, they have been taken to the cleaners, these spoiled people in this country are going to throw a massive tantrum. Good tantrums take time and planning, but many people do not revere that “time” factor.
Those who are not exposing themselves are the ones who are working in ernest. Your group takes the ball bat media and runs then turns around and says the opposing team does not know how to play ball? You are all some kind of barf in a basket, but our day will come when you will see what and who you have supported and then you will get the end of the stick you game patriotic Americans. You are marked.
ALL that I do is post the facts. I don’t call names.
On January 4, the votes of the US Electoral College were counted. The results: Obama won every single one of the 332 Electoral Votes that he won in the general election. Not one single elector changed her or his vote from Obama to Romney. Not one single elector refused to vote or voted for a candidate other than Obama and Romney. The same thing in fact happened in 2008 and in 2012. Not one single elector in the 532 electors in either 2008 or 2012 changed her or his vote because of the claims of birthers.
The reason is that; (1) not one of them believes the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country; and (2) not one of them believe the crazy birther theory that two citizen parents are required to make a Natural Born US Citizen since the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
These views are, btw, shared by such conservative leaders as Paul Ryan, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review. None of these people or institutions believe that Obama’s birth certificate was forged, and none believe that the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) are lying when they say that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that the original birth certificate exists in the files of the DOH and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii.
You tell the “facts” straight out of the Kool Aid Dispenser. So tell me why it is that only the states that had Voter ID laws, found massive voter fraud. The states that didn’t have the laws and no accountability, did not report any fraud. Also, why many of the Swing states had 100+% voting for the Imposter! Go ahead and try to explain that bitch!, Make my day!
Ellen,
I appreciate the fact that you think you’re not participating in name calling, but lets be serious. “Birther” is a derogatory term. When you say that “birthers” have “nutty ideas”, you’re characterizing them as fruitcakes. If you want to have a rational discussion, great. I’m all for it. Liberals rarely are willing to. Most start going into talking point mantras or just plain get mad. But it is rare to be able to have a rational discussion with a liberal.
If you want that rational discussion, start it off by stopping your own name calling.
I think ellen is either Michael 36000, or related to him. She is right and every one else is wrong, because she knows it all. Obama is a liar and did not win either election honestly. He won with fraudulent votes, rigged voting machines, and illegal donations and there is proof of that whether ellen likes it or not. She disregards anything that indicates she is wrong as though it does not exist, and probably does not exist in her mind. Her attitude is, “I said it; therefore, it is so.” Sorry, ellen, but you are not the know-all, be-all that you think you are.
Ellen, cheating does not count. Have you not heard of the stats where 140 percent in some counties showed up to vote? Explain that. It was in all the states that were critical, for the most part. In case you are wondering, anything over 100 percent is a definite cheat. There are counties where the opposition never received ONE vote? Get real. Use your head for something besides carrying your hair if you have any.
You really think you are convincing anyone when Joe Biden heads up the election board and counts the votes? He is a liar from hell just like your group and Obama. You have already lost the war with your lies and are being exposed as we speak.
IF there were proof of that then Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and the governors and secretaries of state of the swing states, who are REPUBLICANS, would have said something. But they haven’t.
Re “birther” being a derogatory term. I use it simply as a short-hand expression for the long phrase: “people who believe that Obama was not born in the USA or that it is not proven, and/or people who believe that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen.” It seems reasonable to use the short-hand expression rather than the long phrase. Back during Prohibition people who were in favor of Prohibition were known as “Drys,” and those who opposed it were known as “Wets”—so the use of short-hand expressions for long phrases is common, and has gone on for a long time. Besides, when the “people who believe that Obama was not born in the USA or that it is not proven, and/or people who believe that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen” wanted to schedule a conference early last year, what did they call the planned conference? It was called “The Birther Summit.’ In short, birthers call themselves birthers.
HOWEVER, let me assure you that when I use the term birther I am not using it as a derogatory term. That’s the way that I use the term. But, there are others who DO think that they are fruitcakes, and among them are Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review, all of which have characterized the birther movement as crazy.
Re: “many of the Swing states had 100+% voting for the Imposter! Go ahead and try to explain that bitch!, Make my day!’
Short answer. IT NEVER HAPPENED. A few districts in mainly black neighborhoods had 100% of those voting voting for Obama, but that is normal when Obama got 95% of the black vote nationwide. NO districts or states or counties had more than 100% of those voting or those registered voting for Obama.
This myth was created by the simple fact that in some states there were so many people and issues up for election that they had to issue TWO ballots, one with the presidential election on it, and one for votes on legislation and minor candidates. Those counties issued statistics showing that 150% or whatever of the registered voters had cast ballots, but that was because they cast two ballots. There is no evidence that more than 100% of the registered people in the district voted for Obama, or for that matter for Romney, or for that matter for any candidate or issue. IF THAT HAD HAPPENED, you would have heard about it because the Republican governors and secretaries of state would have said something about it, as would Romney and Paul Ryan—but they didn’t.
They are saving it in case they ever get to Washington they will not have made enemies of the cheaters. The American public is not privy to the real fight. The real fight is in the security of this country. When something is being investigated by those who are sworn in, in the Federal government, they cannot let on something is going on. There is too much evidence to the contrary for Obama to be legitimate. Lord Monckton, former advisor to Queen Elizabeth, and mathematician used probability and statistics to prove, with the evidence that is against Obama that there is 1 in 62.5 Quintrillin chances that Obama is eligible to be president. That is to say it IS impossible that Obama is legally President of our country.
The democrat’s 1982 law prevents. Thought you knew everything. I guess not – you disappoint me.
We are waling quietly and carrying a big stick called the Truth. When the time is right you are all going down BIG. Know it. Take to the bank.
When a trail of death is left behind someone, many are reluctant to speak out, as it puts them on the hit list.
Oh yes, it did! Just because you didn’t know about it and didn’t want to does not mean it did not happen. Open your ears, shut your mouth, and listen to what is going on.
There are those who call liberals by the term “libturds”. I use that only as a shorthand term for people such as you. They also believe you all are mentally ill. Hoever, let me assure you, I don’t use that term.
Dream on. There is not a shred of evidence that the election was rigged. Re Lord Monckton. His analysis worked like this. If you take 22 different birther LIES and assume that they are all correct, then the possibility of Obama being eligible is low. But if you take the FACT that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the newspapers and the teacher who wrote home and compute the chance of Obama being eligible from those FACTS, the chance is high. It is virtually impossible that Obama was born in any other country than the USA and any other place than Hawaii.
For those of you who still believe that Obama could have been born somewhere else than in Hawaii, a question for you:
I’ll bet that you know (but, actually, you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA must have some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy there, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)–and yet no document has been found. Why not?
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on it by three Republican (and several Democrat) officials, plus the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, plus the witness who remembers being told of the birth and writing home about it (to her father, named Stanley, about the unusual event of a birth to a woman named Stanley). All this is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. Oh, and by the way, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. That was the first of the birther lies. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii. And she said in another interview, with the Hartford Courtant newspaper, that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII.
Notonlyhis grandmother stated he was borninKenya, so did his half-brother and half-sister. You are so delusional. There is plenty of proof that his election was fraudulent. wake up frm your dream and realize you are no longer in Dmland, but in the real world with a card-carrying socialist, a liar, a flip-flopper, and a president who is trying to destroy this country. This ha all been PROVEN. You are the one who has no idea what you are talking about.
Ellen,
Read this: http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obamas-birth/
Investigators went to the National Archives and searched for INS records for a 10 year period. The week of Obama’s birth with that particular portion of microfilm is missing. For an entire 10 year span of time it is the ONLY missing microfilm. Keep drinking the Koolaid Ellen.
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BACK AWAY FROM THE KOOL AID KOOLER!!! You libtards must have stock in that product the way you guzzle that crap!
We are WALKING quietly…
There are some who have had their conscious seared and their eyes blinded for they worship the creature more than the creator.
Dream on. The last birther meeting drew a few hundred people. Obama got 65 million votes on November 6.
AND sixty-five million of “them” voted for Obama on November 6, more than 4.7 million more than voted for Mitt Romney.
Yes, he did – fraudulently and illegal donations to go along with the fraudulence. 2008 and 2012.
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TROLL ALERT!
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As soon as I see the Identity Theft Scandal, I know Ellen is at work again, wasting our time. Then I delete the whole lot. I suggest we all do the same.
But Jeannie I need a good laugh.
The investigator you are talking about was Corsi, and he said (it has never been confirmed) that the INS records for Hawaii and ONLY Hawaii were missing for about a month—not ten years. The problem is, duh, that if a child were born in a foreign country—-any foreign country—-for him or her to be carried into the USA, there would have to be a US travel document issued for the child issued at a US consulate in that foreign country. In other words, IF Obama were born in Kenya (which the Kenyan government says it checked and never happened), then Obama’s parents would have had to have applied to get him a passport or add him to his mother/s US passport. And IF such an application had been made, there would still be a record of it—and no such document has been found (and the Bush Administration had eight years to find it—are you suggesting that they were part of the plot?). The files of those applications for passports or passport changes have not been lost, and yet there no such document has been found.
Moreover, Corsi was deliberately misleading. The INS files in Hawaii apply ONLY to direct flights between foreign countries and Hawaii, and there were very few of them in 1961. For flights to Kenya, the normal route would be through New York, and those INS files are NOT missing (and there is no record of Obama being in them).
And, still, there is a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, which the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth of a child to a woman named Stanley—-all show. Moreover, WND has shown with a FOI Act Request that Obama’s father was in Hawaii throughout 1961, and the idea of Obama’s mother traveling without him to Kenya or some other country to give birth is pretty far-fetched.
Neither Obama’s Kenyan grandmother nor any other relative ever said that Obama was born in Kenya. Birther sites simply cut off the tape recorded interview just before she was asked “Whereabouts was he born?” She answered that by saying “IN HAWAII” repeatedly and in another interview she said that the first that her family in Kenya had hear of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
That was Corsi, and Corsi alone. And what he did not tell you was that only the INS files for Hawaii were missing (for a month or less, not ten years) and that there were very few direct flights to Hawaii from foreign countries. What he also did not tell you is that a child born in a foreign country requires a US travel document, such as a passport or being added to the mother’s passport, to be allowed into the USA. And if Obama was born in Kenya or in any other foreign country, that document would have had to have been applied for in the US consulate or US embassy in that country, and the records of those applications have NOT been lost, and if one existed the Bush Administration could have found it easily in its eight years in office up to January 2009, and if they had found such a document they surely would have used it—-and they did not use it.
Obama’s birth in Hawaii remains confirmed by his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties (including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, and there is not a shred of proof that he was born in any foreign country, and the government of Kenya said that it investigated and that he certainly was not born there.
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The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
Ellen, I was going to ignore you but I just can’t let this go. It was NOT Corsi but a team of Investigators headed by Mike Zullo and some of Arpaio’s investigators. The INS and their archives are NOT in Hawaii dear. ALL…understand..ALL records for that week..the first week of August, 1961 have mysteriously disappeared from the microfilm. And as others have pointed out, it really doesn’t matter because he is not a Natural Born Citizen. I am going with Minor vs Happersett so no need to post your other garbage again. Additionally, the # on the BC is out of sequence and mysteriously, the birth certificate of a young infant girl, Virginia Sunahara is being denied to the family. It is believed her # was lifted and used on the fraudulent BC for the Imposter-in-Chief–you know–the guy who hates America and is trying to destroy the country; the guy who sides with radical Islamists, facilitates the Caliphate, follows the Cloward-Piven strategy, thinks His grandmother was a Typical white person, etc. He is a narcissistic and a liar who was only elected by low information and low IQ voters—you know–the ones on Section 8 housing vouchers and those who want their Obamaphones!
And you know that for a fact, right ellen? Were you there? Yu are just taking their word for it and you just know they are telling the truth because they told you so. HA! HA! HA! HA!
Re: “NOT Corsi but a team of Investigators headed by Mike Zullo and some of Arpaio’s investigators. ”
It was Corsi, who was a member of the team, and he was the only one to make the claim.
Re: “The INS and their archives are NOT in Hawaii dear.”
No but Corsi said that only the records for Hawaii were missing. He did NOT say that the records for the whole country were missing. ONLY the records for Hawaii, and Hawaii had very few direct flights from foreign countries in 1961. If as birthers have claimed Obama were born in Kenya, his mother and he would have had to have traveled thorough New York to get there, and the INS records for New York are NOT missing (and the government of Kenya said that Obama certainly was not born THERE.)
Re: “I am going with Minor vs Happersett .”
The Wong Kim Ark case was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, and besides Minor v. Happersett did not say what you think that it said. It never said that two citizen parents (or for that matter even one) are required. It only said that if you have both citizen parents and birth in the country then without doubt you are a NBC, but those turn out to be the two possible criteria. It is like saying that if you wear both suspenders and a belt you will without doubt hold your pants up. But that statement does not say that wearing suspenders and a belt are required to hold your pants up, and the Minor v. Happersett decision did not say that having both citizen parents and birth in the country are REQUIRED either.
Re: “Additionally, the # on the BC is out of sequence..”
Answer: There is excellent evidence from three birth certificates: Obama’s, those of the Nordyke Twins and a child born after the Nordyke Twins that the numbering of Hawaii birth certificates were not in chronological order. That is because the child born after the Nordyke Twins had the lowest number.
Re: “he birth certificate of a young infant girl, Virginia Sunahara is being denied to the family. ‘
Answer. They are entitled to the legal birth certificate of Hawaii, the short form birth certificate, like everyone else. IF they had asked the Hawaii officials to make a special exception for them, as the officials did for Obama, and send them the long form, they could get that. BUT they have not asked.
Re: “it is believed her # …”
Dream on. Her number, by the way, is the same number as on her short-form BC. It is not the number that is on Obama’s BC.
Re: “guy who hates America and is trying to destroy the country…”
Which has nothing to do with his place of birth, does it. It shows your attitudes, and why the facts that you cite may be remembered wrong, but it certainly does not show that Obama was born in a foreign country.
Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama’s two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them. (The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net/?p=541)
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)—-that Obama was born in Hawaii—by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii—-and only the DOH could send those notices. (Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found. (A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him—and that is hardly likely at all.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city—and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories—and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Illinois.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie—and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
ellen,
My last reply………
Since you brought up Natural Law and that “jus soli” ( = where you were born, the SOIL) I feel obliged to visit the other edge of the sword….. jus sanguinis ( = the blood/heritage/parent part).
How convenient that you left the “blood/parent” part out.
My reply is based largely on Leo Donofrio….
I’m sure you will denigrate him ………….your choice
Perhaps the details are too overwhelming.Regardless, please review the SUMMARY , below
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Leo Donofrio blog
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/minor-v-happersett-proof-obama-is-unlawful-president
Since my last report, many people have asked why the definition in Minor v. Happersett of a “natural-born citizen” (as a person born in the US to parents who are citizens) is binding legal precedent. The answer is in the Court’s holding that Virginia Minor was a US citizen…because she was born in the US to parents who were citizens. That part of the actual holding is listed in the official syallbus of the case.
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In that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United states, as much so before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution as since.” (Emphasis added.)
That’s a direct holding of the case. Hence, it is stated at the the top of the syllabus.
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The Court established her citizenship by definining the “class” of “natural-born citizens” as those born in the US to parents who were citizens. Then the Court included Virginia Minor in that class thereby deeming her to be a US citizen. And they did this by specifically avoiding the 14th Amendment and by specifically construing Article 2 Section 1.
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“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
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Those outside the natural-born citizen “class” were subject to doubt regarding US citizenship. And the Court in Minor exercised judicial restraint by avoiding that issue. When Wong Kim Ark was decided in 1898, some of those doubts were resolved in favor of US citizenship for those persons not in the class of natural-born citizens. But that case did not open the class of natural-born citizens to include persons born in the US without citizen parents.
SUMMARY
Minor ….
……… The Court established her ( Minor’s ….mgi) citizenship by definining the “class” of “natural-born citizens” as those born in the US to parents who were citizens.
Oh WOW! SCOTUS defined Natural Born Citizen = born in the US to US Citizens
Wong Kim Ark
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Those outside the natural-born citizen “class” were subject to doubt regarding US citizenship. And the Court in Minor exercised judicial restraint by avoiding that issue. When Wong Kim Ark was decided in 1898, some of those doubts were resolved in favor of US citizenship for those persons not in the class of natural-born citizens. But that case did not open the class of natural-born citizens to include persons born in the US without citizen parents.
Done!
Natural Born Citizen = Born in America of American Parents
Wonk Kim Ark DID NOT open the class of natural born to include persons born in the US without citizen parents.
Ellen,
I can explain it to you.
But I cannot understand it for you.
Ciao
Here ya go. Post this to Ellen.
http://superstore.wnd.com/SUBSCRIPTIONS/Whistleblower-Single-Issue-August-2012
You should know by now if she replies her reply will be the same copy and paste heresay she always comes back with.
Will do bob. That should make her day. Thanks.
I am sure Ellen is an autoresponder keyed to certain words. When she replies to that link will will see if it posts anything different. I think we all need to refer to Ellen as ‘IT’. HAHAHAHA
Replying to My911who said:
“How convenient that you left the “blood/parent” part out.”
Answer. There is no blood/parent part. None at all. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, only the place of birth, not the parents of a US-born citizen.
Here is an example of how the term was used in 1803, shortly after the Constitution was written:
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
(As you can see, that use of the phrase Natural Born Citizen refers ONLY to the place of birth. There is no mention of parents. Natural Born Citizens are simply “those born within the state.” And here is how it was used about twenty-five years later, by a lawyer and scholar who had been friends with several of the writers of the US Constitution:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
(Notice, no mention of parents.)
So, that is why the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case (which BTW was AFTER Minor v. Happersett–which itself never said that two citizen parents, or even one, were required) in these words:
“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”
(Again that refers to the PLACE of birth, and there is no mention of parents.)
So that is why Edwin Meese, Roland Reagan’s attorney general, said:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
(Again, no mention of parents).
There is NO blood/parent part relating to a child born in the USA other than children of foreign diplomats. ALL of them, regardless of the citizenship of their parents, regardless even of whether the parents were legal or illegal immigrants, are Natural Born US Citizens. That makes Jindal and Rubio (both of whose parents were not US citizens) and Obama (one of whose parents was a US citizen) all Natural Born US Citizens because all of them were born in the USA. Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the birth notices in the newspaper, Etc., all show.
As one of the other rational people in here, Jeannie, stated all ellen does is REPEAT – REPEAT – REPEAT. Looks as though what you have said is true. IT is keyed to certrain words and IT’S only source of information is a lefist newspaper, the Washington Examiner. Ho! Hum! Just another libturd who cannot research on IT’s own. Thanks.
Were they all members of Wright’s basement club? Does make one wonder, doesn’t it?
FYI
Some people say Bush’s college records were leaked. So what? At least he had records that could be leaked. Evidently Obama does not have records tthat can be leaked.
http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp.
Resolute,
I agree.
In spite of some claims that they were hacked, there are many references to his relaese.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110414174658AAZq2Yj
So, as the Judge might inform a Jury about a witness………….
IF you find that the Witness lied about anything, you may extend that to conclude
all of the Witness’ testimony is corrupt.
I do believe ellen has been proclaiming that George W Bush NEVER released his transcripts?
FYI
Some people say Bush’s college records were leaked. So what? At least he had records that could be leaked. Evidently Obama does not have records tthat can be leaked.
http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp.
That’s right. Bush never released his transcript. Someone else did, not him. Bush, like his father, and like Clinton and Reagan and Carter and Ford and Nixon, did not release his school or college transcripts. Neither did Romney or McCain or Gore or any other presidential candidate. Bush’s was leaked, but he did not release his transcript; neither did the others. So, why should Obama?
Agreed.
They were not under Federal lockdown or threat
Obama has college records. He got into Harvard Law School after all. But, he, like Bush and all the other presidents and presidential candidates, does not have to show them. There is no law requiring it, and none of the presidents or presidential candidates including Romney has shown his transcript. So, why should Obama?
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
February 15. Full Supreme Court conference to consider evidence presented by lawyer Orly Taitz regarding Obama’s forged and fraudulent documents.
Why?
Simple.
As “THE” president of the people
who promised transparency, he should oblige the millions who
want to see them
The President’s you mentioned were all legal citizens of the US. I am sure if asked they would not have had a problem with publizing any records asked for. Obama is not a legal citizen!!! Plus he has a lot to hide and does not want the public to see!
First, he said “transparency in government,” not “transparency in private life.’
Second, if he promised “transparency” and did not deliver it, which is in fact the case, that is what presidents do all the time. There are very few presidents who deliver on all of their promises.
Third, the “millions” who would like to see his college grades are his enemies. The people who voted for him certainly do not want to see his grades.
Fourth, no president or presidential candidate has shown their grades before, so why should the first racially-mixed President of the United States? Why should one of the few presidents who has had a graduate school state that he graduated MAGNA CUM LAUDE show his school, college or graduate school grades, when other presidents have not shown theirs?
Dream on. The US Supreme Court has simply added one of Orly’s cases to the forty or fifty cases that it holds regular meetings on to decide whether to take them or not to take them. And it has not taken a single birther case so far. In fact, on October 1, it rejected an appeal of a Georgia case that ruled that Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen due to the meaning of Natural Born coming from the common law and referring to the place of birth.
Re: “Obama is not a legal citizen!!! ‘
Answer: What gave you that nutty idea??
Obama has shown both his short–form birth certificate and his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, and the facts on them were repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties, including the former Republican governor (who is a friend of Sarah Palin’s). There is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, and it is not the only proof of his having been born in Hawaii.
There is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which were only sent by the DOH to that section of the paper, the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and the DOH only did so for births in Hawaii.) So there are those two proofs in addition to the birth certificate, and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII (birther sites simply cut off the tape before she was asked where he was born.)
Now turning to the allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. One proof that it is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
The claims that Obama’s birth certificate are forged come from birther “analysts”—–who have not shown that they are even analysts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther analysts. And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.
Birthers can keep on claiming that you believe that it is forged, but if you cannot convince even Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan of that fact, or Ann Coulter or the National Review, or any member of the US Electoral College (none of whose members switched their vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or Obama to Romney in 2012 because of birther claims)—they will not get anywhere. But they have the right to dream. Keep on dreaming.
Re the false allegation that two citizen parents are required:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/the-great-mother-of-all-natural-born-citizen-quotation-pages/
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346
Ah, ellen
Why don’t you think before you do
Firstly, as president he IS the Government…capiece?
Secondly, 10 wrongs do not make it right
Thirdly,you are ASSUMING, and you know what that does.
Fourthly, you are repeating yourself….back to Firstly and Secondly…..
Here are fewmore wrongs for you to post
Obama’s Acts of Treason:
1. Perpetrating acts of fraud, perjury and conspiracy in his refusal to confirm his lawful eligibility to serve as president under the U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 1,
constituting impeachable offenses of high crimes and misdemeanors adumbrated in U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 4;
2. Surrendering sovereign U.S. war-making to foreign powers and international authorities by attacking
Libya without consulting Congress, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 8Â and U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 33:1541-1548;
3. Accepting foreign title and office while acting as U.S. President and without consulting Congress when in 2009, Obama assumed the Chairmanship of the UN Security Council, the international body responsible for declaring war on behalf of the UN, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 9;
4. Making bribery attempts in word and in deed, as Obama administration offered bribes to at least three Federal candidates for office: Joe Sestak, Andrew Romanoff and Jim Matheson, in violation of U.S. Code Title 18, Section 201;
5. Defying a Federal Court Order by refusing to halt the unconstitutional implementation of the “Patient Healthcare and Affordable Care Act of 2010, popularly known as “ObamaCare,” in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and Article III, Sections 1 & 2;
6. Defying a Federal Court Order by refusing to grant lawful deep water drilling permits, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and Article III, Sections
1 & 2;
7. Executive Branch creation and implementation of regulations asserting unconstitutional force of
Federal law on matters explicitly rejected by or contrary to the will and intent of Congress, specifically the EPA implementation of Cap and Trade, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 1 and Section 8;
8. Refusing to secure our broken borders from illegal alien invasion, international criminal incursion, and terrorist cadre penetration, in violation of U.S. Constitution, Article
III, Section 3 and Article IV, Section 4;
9. Executive Branch malfeasance and impeding the administration of justice by preventing the U.S.
Department of Justice from investigating crimes committed for the direct benefit of the President by presidential associates including: voter intimidation
at the hands of the New Black Panthers and ACORN election fraud, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and U.S. Criminal Code Section 135,
(Comp. St. § 10305);
10. Direct mobilizing and funding of mob violence, sedition and insurrection,as witnessed in Wisconsin, by the President’s own reelection campaign group
Organizing for America, and including open statements of incitement to the insurrection by the President himself, in violation of U.S.Penal Code, Chapter 115, Section 2383;
11. Executive Branch usurpation of lawmaking powers voiding duly enacted legislation of Congress by improperly preventing the U.S. Department of Justice from defending established Federal law – specifically the Defense of
Marriage Act, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3;
12. Adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, as witnessed by consorting with, supporting and installing to powerful Federal positions persons who in writing, word and deed have called for and
promoted the overthrow of America’s constitutionally guaranteed Republican form of government, and the overthrow of the United States Constitution; including
but not limited to William Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Cass Sunstein, John Holdren, Dalia Mogahed, Harold Koh, and Eric Holder, in violation of U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section IV and U.S. Penal Code, Section 2385.
Re: “Firstly, as president he IS the Government…capiece?”
Answer. He is a part of the government, but his private life is still his private life, and there is no law or moral responsibility to reveal it, and he did not promise to do so. And he doesn’t have to do so just because his enemies ask for his school and college transcripts.
Re: “10 wrongs do not make it right.”
Answer. Are you saying that Bush and his father and Reagan and the other presidents and presidential candidates were all “wrong” when they did not release their school or college transcripts? If so, you are wrong. They did not have to, and Obama does not have to do so either.
Re: twelve points. Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born Citizen. As for the rest: You have the right to ask your congressman to impeach and your senators to convict in an impeachment trial, but they will laugh at you. The far right wanted to impeach Eisenhower too. You have the right not to like those things, and to vote for congressmen and senators who will support your position in the next congressional election, which will be in 2014, but that is all that you can do. The last birther meeting, Orly’s at the Inauguration ceremony, drew just a few people.
Obama’s birth certificate is not fake. Only birther “experts” have called it fake, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.