Does the Birth Certificate Read Barry Soetoro? Here’s an interesting Ground Report from Hawaii that contains an ingenious theory about Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie’s bizarre backtrack on releasing Obama’s birth certificate.
Remember, Abercrombie promised that once he was elected Governor he would prove Obama’s birth certificate existed because he would march down to the Hall of Records and demand its production from the archives…and he would then hold it aloft in the gentle Hawaiian breeze, high above his balding pate, for all the world to see, thereby producing the document Obama has spent millions to keep hidden.
Well, after he was elected, Abercrombie strangely acknowledged no original birth certificate could be found for Obama in Hawaii, but that there were “handwritten notes” that he was born on the island of Oahu in 1961. Abercrombie did not claim he saw the actual birth certificate.
But, now he’s claiming it’s illegal to produce the birth certificate even if he did find it, because Obama refuses to let the public see this document.
None of this makes any sense until you read the Ground Report below, and get a new take on what’s going on in Hawaii regarding the single greatest current mystery of the 21st Century (“Why Won’t Obama Just Release His Birth Certificate?”…which is also a question the lamestream national media refuses to ask):
Dear HillBuzz,
Regarding the whole Obama birth certificate controversy, I believe Hawaii has a big problem.
Recently, when asked about the subject, newly-minted Speaker of the House John Boehner replied “The State of Hawaii says he was born there and that’s good enough for me.” His reply was brilliant.
It reminded everyone that it’s not the Speaker’s job to sort out the mess (it should have been addressed by the Dems, the election officials, and the media during the campaign), but it also, clearly, put the onus on the State of Hawaii. Around the same time Neil Abercrombie, the new governor of Hawaii, waded into the mess wanting to clear everything up for the president. Instead, he has only added to the confusion by admitting there doesn’t seem to be a birth certificate only a handwritten notation in the archives. (Which could quite possibly have been generated by Obama’s grandparents as a way to register the birth if Obama was born somewhere else.)
Personally, I believe the governor is an intelligent well-intentioned man who acted without thinking it through. Rush Limbaugh believes there may be some angle to what the governor did. If there is, then I believe it was a “cover your papakole” move on the part of the governor. He doesn’t want to be the one left holding the blame when, finally, the American public says “Enough! Just show the damn birth certificate already!”.
He can honestly claim the deception and obstruction happened before he took office and when he tried to find the truth he was told he didn’t have legal access to the birth records. So he’s off the hook, but the incumbent state officials may not get off so easily. Lastly, there is information on several blogs about a court case that may have been filed in New York State Court called Strunk v. Paterson. I’ve heard that a state judge recently ruled — based on evidence — that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. The court documents go into all of the birth certificate topics, including the Indonesian adoption.
The fact that Obama was adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s, and his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro at that time, is most likely the reason he is spending millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate. He never filed the papers to change his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, so any birth certificate produced by the state of Hawaii would list him as “Barry Soetoro”.
It’s easy to see why he never wants this to come to light. Aside from the legal ramifications of this, how would the American people feel about Obama lying to them about his NAME all this time? And if he lied about something as simple as that, what else has he lied about? It would open a whole host of new questions for most people about this man of deliberate mystery.
Just wondered if you knew anything about any of this. I find the court documents hard to read and I have no way of checking their authenticity. People need to stop claiming Obama was not born in Hawaii and start focusing on that adoption name change. That’s probably what Neil Abercrombie ultimately encountered that’s made him backtrack on all this.
Think about it: when the adoption went through, the law required Obama’s birth certificate to be changed to reflect his new name, which became, and remains, Barry Soetoro. So if Abercrombie went looking for anything in the Hall of Records with “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on it, he wouldn’t find anything besides those scribbled, handwritten notations in the archives (since those would not have been changed with the adoption, as who would have thought to do that?). The actual birth certificate says “Barry Soetoro” on it.
That’s why Abercrombie couldn’t locate it.
And why Obama won’t release it.
Mystery solved.
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No. All this is to protect a right to privacy that all Americans have. It is nobody's business what his
personal information is that can be used for identity theft.
Obama does not have to show the birth certificate.
It is already on factcheck dot org and his records are sealed. The republican ex-gov Linda Lingle of Hawaii confirmed it. So, he is exempt. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Execut…
see for yourself: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pd…
and: http://www.fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html
and: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executiv…
How would all of you like it if you had to walk around with your birth certificate plastered on your
forhead for someone to steal your identity?
We won't have to worry the next election when birth certificates are required in several states in order to be put on the ballot. You need to lighten up, I needed my birth certificate to get my passport and play little league baseball.
DO YOU THINK ANY BODY COULD PASS FOR A LYING USURPER IF THEY HAD ALL IF HIS IDS
IN the next election Obama will simply provide the states that request birth certificates with his Certification of Live Birth, which is the official and only birth certificate of Hawaii. Thousands of people use it every year. And that will be, and MUST be, acceptable to all the states because each state must accept the official birth certificate of the other states.
It is not an official birth certificate, the Hawaiian Department of Health said it was not proof of Hawiian birth and would not accept it as such under 338-17.5
If you are referring to the Certification of Liv e Birth, it IS the official birth certificate of Hawaii. In fact, it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001. Thousands of people use it every year.
YOU SURE HAVE BEEN BRAIN WASHED PROBABLY BY THE COMMIES AND ISLAM TERROR GROUP SINCE YOU TALK LIKE THEM. HOW MUCH IS YOUR" PAY OFF" FROM GEORGE SOROS AND "O BUM CRAP"???? BRAIN CELL IS STUCK ON A 1 TRACK -"NO THOUGHT"!!
Are you serious? Identity theft? I am sure that numerous businesses would cash checks and do other business with someone named Barack Hussein Obama. Get real.
I have nothing to hide on my birth certificate.
you are just stupid!
I wqould gladly plaster my COLB to my forhead, have done so many times in my lifetime. Why can this IDIOT POTUS do the same……..NATZI
GOOLE BUSH HISTORY…………BIG AWAKE….TRY IT
elena that's crap and you know it. And IF it's true, then it's the stupidest excuse I ever seen in writing.
And just so you know, NOBODY is asking for it too be plastered on his forehead, little drama queen.
But the REST of us DO have to carry our BC around with us ANYTIME we do anything!
EVEN YOU!
Wanna join a soccer league? BC! Wanna get a drivers license. BC! Passport? BC! Register at a new school? BC!
Be President? BC!
See how that works for MOST of us?
Apparently not for you and Obama. What makes you two special?
Did your mommies tell you that you were special?
She lied to ya!
THANKS RoBoTech….Why do we have t put up with idiots like Elena?
Obama has already shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, which would be accepted for all the things you cite. Thousands of people use it every year.
i wonder if the dumb ass ellena has ever read anything or just copied. if she decides to read she could probably find out that when you run for public office nobody is entitled to privacy
I'm not Ellena, but you are wrong. When there are laws that say that a college cannot release transcripts or a state cannot release a birth certificate, those are the laws–and the apply to everyone, ordinary people and presidents.
Candidates for office can, if they wish, release their own information. So, if in the next election the Republican candidate shows her or his transcript, Obama is likely to do the same. He has, of course, already released the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the facts on which were confirmed repeatedly by three Republican officials in Hawaii.
There are requirements for eligibility to be president – he has not met them. He has hidden all his records and a background check has not been completed. He's a fraud, probably funded by terrorists (like the weather underground). What authority does factcheck have? Gimme a break! Has nothing to do with right to privacy. That's like saying I don't have to show a policeman my driver's license because of my right to privacy. Or I don't have to show a liquor store owner my ID to prove I'm 21 – because of my right to privacy. And stealing someone's identity using information from a birth certificate? WTF? Are you retarded? It's a freakin' birth certificate – the information contained on it is useless to someone committing identity fraud, which, by the way, dumbass – if you are going to commit identity theft, you wouldn't steal the President's identity! You really are a liberal, aren't you? Because if you had any brains, you'd be a conservative!
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE REPUBLICAN officials in Hawaii. His school and college records are indeed private, as are those of all previous presidents.
Untrue! John Kerry didn't want to release his because he had so many "Fs." He said that F was for fabulous. But he eventually did. Hillary released hers, and we know that her master's thesis was on Saul Alinsky. I know of no presidents besides Soetoro who haven't released their school records. He never attended Columbia and never earned a bachelor's degree, so I understand why he may not want people to know how poorly he did at Occidental what with the drugs he was doing.
LOL To be president it's a constitution must…thats why!!! I am sorry you and many obama socialist lovers refuse to see that. But it's only a matter of time and he is going down because of his lies and deceit. When it comes to holding the highest office in the world those little sites don't mean shit!
As my boss use to say get with the program (The Constitution of the USA)! No place for socialism and socialist here. Why do you think USSR fell from socialism? Hint; it doesn't work!
Oh, my how naive you are. Factcheck.org is not the highest authority in the land. Yes, he has a moral and ethical obligation to reveal not only his birth certificate, but all of his school records, which would show his name and country of citizenship. The Congress is derelect in their duty for not insisting that everyone provide satisfactory documents which prove their legal elegibility to hold the office of President. No one in the office of the President should have the legal right to seal their records.
Fact check .org is totally funded by the Annenburg foundation….the same one that funded Barak and Bill Ayers "CHicago Annenburg Challenge…! Believe me, factcheck is the LAST place id look for truth about Obama!
Obama has already revealed his birth certificate, the official birth certificate of Hawaii. But he has no legal or moral responsibility to show his private records. No previous president did.
How old are you? Is this your first time voting?
Hi my name is Jeremy, not that it matters but saying that Obama doesn't have to show his records is like saying we shouldn't resort to the Constitution for whats acceptable and what isn't in this country……oh wait we don't. My point is there are rules there for a reason and there is a good reason why people are suspicious of Barack HUSSEIN Obama. And seriously why is anyone trying to defend this man. He has done absolutely nothing he claimed he would….in fact….he has done the exact opposite of what he claimed he would. He has not followed through on one single thing he promised and that is a fact so not debateable thank you. And Ellen the fact that you buy what any politician says, republican or democrat, shows your ignorance. All politicians lie has nobody figured this out yet. I mean good god I figured that out when I was 12
Ellena this is not a privacy issue. I had to provide mine to get a passport, what name does he travel under. I had to provide mine when I joined the military, why doesn't he have to provide his to be Commander in Chief. John McCain had to prove his citizenship/eligibility because he was born to 2 american citizens in Panama when his Father was stationed there. What is he covering up? simple to clear up.
Obama has already shown his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE REPUBLICAN officials in Hawaii. McCain actually did not have to prove anything. The US Senate accepted his word that he was born in the Canal Zone to two American citizens. But McCain did not show the Senate his birth certificate, nor did he post it online (the one that is on the Web is not his. It is a forgery, saying that McCain was born in Colon, Panama, when he was born on the naval base in the Canal Zone.)
How come Soetoro is using a social security number issued from Connecticut?
Answer: SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice how close 0 and 9 are to each other on the keyboard?
I had to show my birth certificate to enter school, register to vote, get a drivers license, a marriage license, a passport and every time I vote I have to show identification. Why should he be exempt?
He's trying to level the playing field so he needs to pony up also! I'm going to have all my records sealed so I can be exempt too.
Obama HAS shown his birth certificate, the official Certification of Live Birth of Hawaii, which is the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001. It is used by thousands of people every year.
Hey Ellen can you tell us about Obama's LIVE BIRTH of HAWAII that Hawaii has issued since 2001so we all can see it again and everyone can continue not caring.
The cause of the Connecticut SS number is a classic data-entry error.
SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice how close 0 and 9 are to each other on the keyboard?
I had to show my birth certificate to enter school, register to vote, get a drivers license, a marriage license, a passport and every time I vote I have to show identification. Why should he be exempt?
He's trying to level the playing field so he needs to pony up also! I'm going to have all my records sealed so I can be exempt too.
To Ellena the repeater: BORRRRRRRRRRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your an Obama Obot, Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you just crawled out from under and get a life. Barry or Barack, so what, he isn't a natural born citizen and should be thrown out of office regardless of where he was born. Now swallow that one you little Obot….
The document posted on FactCheck is NOT a birth certificate. It is a COLB. BIG difference. Of course "Ellena" knows this and is just trying to muddy the waters to hide the TRUTH.
A COLB IS a birth certificate. In fact, it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues, and it is used by thousands of people every year.
The Wall Street Journal said:
“The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.
In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues….
Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.”
Wow you listen to what Wall Street says, you must not know that Wall Street is where Obama's puppeteers reside. Obama is Wall Streets puppet so of course they are going to lie for him so they can keep buying policy in this country and keep screwin it up. It's ok Ellen the brainwashing isn't permanent just step back into the light with the real people and you can be a real person again too.
Yeah, and I can bench press 1000 pounds. I'll post the video on youtube along with a few friend's websites. Ellena, you would be the one to buy a car from the sleazy salesman in the CarFax commercial after he refused to show you the CarFax. His lame reply, "How about a note from the previous owner?" Sounds just like Abercrombie to me.
Ellena, would it even matter to you if he was not eligible? If it were proven he was a fraud, would you demand at minimum he be removed from office? If you don't care, at least have the guts to say it, because if you afraid to fess up, you know you are wrong.
So what is it? Does it even matter?
Barry was probably born in Hawai'i to U.S. citizen parents and adopted by Stanley Ann Dunham, the father's daughter, and the father's friend Obama the alien Luo tribesman.
Of course Barry is privileged to withhold his original birth certificate against disclosure by Dr. Fukino or Gov. Abercrombie to private individuals.
Congress and state legislatures and prosecutors or attorneys general investigating election fraud or eligibility, however, can compel sworn testimony, subpoena documents and things, and obtain search warrants for evidence of constitutional eligibility and misrepresentation of racial identity comprising election fraud. These official processes should overcome the privilege of maintaining the confidentiality of adoption records.
The suggestion that Obama is withholding the original birth certificate because of a name change is ludicrous pettifogging.
The most plausible reasons are that it would disprove his claimed parents and distract people from the real issue, his loss of U.S. citizenship in becoming Indonesian.
He ran in 2008 as an African-American. What would the fools who voted for him wholly or partly because they thought he was an African-American think if they found out his parents were, say, Stanley Armour Dunham (Stanley Ann's father) and Annie Lili'uokalani?
Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will show.
The reasons that Obama does not show his original birth certificate are: (1) Hawaii does not send it out anymore, and so it did not send it to him, so he cannot show it; (2) He has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it have been confirmed, and so that is sufficient.
By the way, the facts on the original birth certificate are exactly the same as on the official birth certificate that was published. That is because, duh, the facts on the official birth certificate were copied by the clerk from the facts on the original birth certificate. That is how birth certificates work.
He still has to have 2 parents who are US citizens.
Who says? Who told you this? It is wrong.
The meaning of Natural Born in America (not Switzerland) at the time that the time that the Constitution was written referred only to the place of birth, not to the parents.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Who told you this? It is wrong. The reason that the US Congress confirmed Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY is that not one single member thinks that the citizenship of Obama's father affects Obama's Natural Born Citizen status. That is because the meaning of Natural Born in America (not Switzerland) at the time that the Constitution was written referred only to the place of birth, not to the parents.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Nonsense. The president is THE public figure. That he was allowed even to run for president without this issue being understood and totally "Kosher" up front is the issue. You and I are irrelevant. Obama and his BC are the focus of the concern.
Part 1
Your remarks are stupid. In the first place, we all know that the President of the US does NOT have the same right to privacy as non-public persons. And we know that the Constitution requires that he be a natural born citizen. We also know that factcheck.org is a left owned source as also is snopes, and that if it suits the progressives and people like you, they will present half truths and outright lies. We dont' accept that. We do–or at least I do–accept the possibility that he may have been born in Hawaii or he may have been born else where and his grandparents, or even his mother could have requested the certificate of live birth as was commonly given to babies born out of the country. Doing so would give her access to public assistance and would also make it easier to bring the baby home if he was born elsewhere. We are also well aware of the fact that Obama has paid a ton of money to hide his records.
Part 2
The American people have a right to know the truth about the president and repeated his words about "plastering the certificate on hiis forehead" is has arrogant and obnoxious as he is. Besides the truth about his name, he has never explained his own comment that he was only 3 month old when the Bay of Pigs event happened. That would put his birth in January, not in August. So there is a lot of untruth and secrecy going on–secrecy that was NEVER granted to any other president. McCain couldn't even finish running until he put all his personal records into the mix–including his birth certificate. Every other president has freely given those kinds of documents to those who were responsible for vetting him. ONLY Obama seems to be above that requirement. ONLY Obama can thwart the will of the American people, go behind Congress, Lie about his own identity, say one thing and do another, bow to our enemies and snub our friends, spend prostigious quantities of money while our economy flounders, continue spouted leftist global warming lies that have been repeatedly shown as fraud. WHY. Who is behind this imposter in the drive to ruin our country?
Part 3
Obviously you are numbered with him. I don't know for sure who you are, and it's possible you could even be spelling your own name wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if you are the new supreme court justice Elena Kagan. If that were the case, of course you would have every reason to protect your corrupt boss. I can't imagin that a supreme court justice would get involved in these discussions which can be tracked, but nothing would surprise me.
Karen you have an interesting argument. All of these posts are really off target in replying to Eliena. Who she is is not important and there are many clones playing the same broken record which is propaganda strategy that gives no clue as to the actual thoughts the particular writer thinks. It is hardly possible to believe they believe what they write. It is more like the slimy car salesman misrepresenting the car so they can get rid of it; It is a distraction that needs to be ignored for its purpose is to muddy the waters and cause confusion. It is not to convince us of any truth. Therefore we know that it is an organized attempt by the same entity that wanted Obama in the White House to abort any further investigation. Keep searching.
It does not follow that Abercrombie was authorized to try to settle the birth certificate issue but that the Lord may have propmted him in order to bring the truth to the surface. It seems that is what is going to happen as a result of Abercrombie's original statement about the birth certificate. That has opened new doors and the cover for the untruth keeps shrinking.
The more I read the less clear is Obama's true history. The More clear is the promotion of Barak Hussein Obama for President by a third party entity that has been invading our bureaucracy and also putting elected officials in our congress and state legislatures for the past 100 years or more; I have been reading how certain Socialist organations are fielding candidates under false colors that are antagonistic to our Constitution and Obama is no exception. The signs that he has been selected and promoted by an organization over which he has no control are unmistakable but apparently not visible to the majority, though I see more and more evidence that various individuals are beginning to read those signs; I have seen variations of Eliena's writing on various posts and columns from a fairly wide assortment that come from a single source which is made plain by the rhetoric.
The fact that Obama was not propery vetted testifies to the power of this entity over our citizines. The Matqador'e red flag used to distract the bull has been working overtime in their rhetoric and the bull has been distracted. that is coming to an end and this matqador, which means exicutioner or killer in Spanish, is about to be gored;
Again, it does not show that Obama is following anyone's orders but is chasing his own temptations which this same entity is using to direct his actions. He is expendable, especially if he fails to produce what this entity wants I rather look for that to take place this year and it does not mean he will be killed, just revealed.
There is little indication that this entity is flesh and blood but rather a spirit that has been active with us in its present form for at least the last 150 years. We have had Lenin, Stalin and Mao et al who were flesh and blood and each left a distinct mark on their passage but this spirit has not wavered; That is what makes me feel that we are dealing with a spirit rather than a person. Also we see the same unreasoned support for that spirit in so many of our citizens.
Therefore there is no more point in arguing with ther Eliena's postings than arguing with your TV knowing that every set tuned to that channel is producing the same program; What we need to do is identify the channel and the source of the program then switch channels. The power behind the program is manifest by the fact that Obama is hiding so much of his history and he has no good reason to do that so I must conclude that the reason he has is to my detriment. Since Obama is hiding so much it is evident that he recognizes that his program is evil.
Karen I had a nice post here for you and others but the powers that be evidentialy did not approve of what I said. I did retain a copy and will send it elsewhere.
This is not the first time Western Journalism has failed to post my comment and I do not use threats or foul language. Ellen is still pushing an off line button thinking that it has something to say when it doesn't What I will say here is that or president(?) does not carry enough weight to account for all that we have seen so there has to be a power behind him. Indications are that it is a global power with a single seat of power. I had gone into more detail and can repeat that detail without a teleprompter.
Agree Whit.
He has the same rights to privacy as previous presidents, and none of them ever showed school transcripts, college transcripts, passports, or their parents' marriage license. In contrast to all the other presidents, Obama showed the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS in Hawaii.
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Have a good weekend James!
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I am not James.
I am not James, and if I were, it would not change the fact that Obama has already shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, which would be accepted for all the things you cite. Thousands of people use it every year.
I am not James, and if I were, it would not change the fact that Obama has already revealed his birth certificate, the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Obama has no legal or moral responsibility to show his private records. No previous president did.
I am not James.
Obama has already shown his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE REPUBLICAN officials in Hawaii. McCain actually did not have to prove anything. The US Senate accepted his word that he was born in the Canal Zone to two American citizens. But McCain did not show the Senate his birth certificate, nor did he post it online (the one that is on the Web is not his. It is a forgery, saying that McCain was born in Colon, Panama, when he was born on the naval base in the Canal Zone.)
I am not James. Obama HAS shown his birth certificate, the official Certification of Live Birth of Hawaii, which is the only birth certificate that Hawaii has issued since 2001. It is used by thousands of people every year.
I am not James. Have a nice weekend Gary!
I hereby declare all my records sealed then!
See, wow, I can copy and paste too!
I'm so glad. Your records would have been terribly dull.
Yeah, no felonies, pretty short rap sheet.
Me neither.
Glad to hear it. I wouldn't have wanted to read your records anyway.
Delighted to hear your records are sealed.
Why doesn't Gary discuss the facts?
Have a good weekend Gary!
I am not James. Have a nice weekend Gary!
And, by the way, the COLB is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year.
I am not James. Have a nice weekend Gary!
And, by the way, Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will show.
I am not James, but if I were, it would not change the facts of the matter which are that Obama has the same rights to privacy as previous presidents, and none of them ever showed school transcripts, college transcripts, passports, or their parents' marriage license.
And, in contrast to the other presidents, Obama showed the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS in Hawaii.
Are you serious??? Identity theft is the argument you want to go with here??? Who's going to steal his identity and get away with it? He's the most protected man in the country! When you are seeking the highest office in the land, you better be able to prove your citizenship. Where you concerned about John McCain's risk of identity theft when he had to produce his birth certificate?Your argument is weak because you are blinded by your own pride that has caused you to hang on an argument even when it's weak and wrong. Take a step back and common sense will tell you that he could end the whole debate by showing his birth certificate.
OKAY SO WE KNOW YOU LOVE THIS GUY..ANSWER ME THIS BATGIRL….HOW ABOUT WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A PASSPORT AND DRIVERS LISCENS YOU HAVETO SHOW PROOF OF LEGAL CITZENSHIP AND ONE OTHE DOCUMENTS IS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND ALSO YOU HAVE TOSHOW ANY CHANGE IN YOUR NAME I.E. MARRIAGE LISCENS DIVORCE DEGREE ETC..SO DONT GO OFF ON THIS FACT THAT IT IS HIS PERSONAL INFORMATION ONCE YOU BECOME A CELEBRITY OR HAVE NATIONAL EXPOSURE (RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF POTUS) THEN I AS A LEGAL CITIZEN HAVE AND DEMAND THE RIGHT TO SEE ALL DOCUMENTATION REGARDING HIS STATUS….I GUESS YOU ARGREED THAT MCCAIN HAD TO SHOW HIS PROOF OF ELEGIBILITY AND SHOW ALL PERTINATE DOCUMENTAION ( BIRTH CERTIFICATE ETC.)..HE ONLY DID THE SEALING OF HIS RECORDS BECAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE…AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STEAL HIS IDENTITY …. AND COMMUNISTIC PERSONS WHO ADVISE HIM KNEW THIS ALL ALONG…HIS COMPANIONSHIP WITH ENEMIES OF THE COUNTRY WHO DISREGARD THE CONSTITUTION.. ARE ENEMIES FROM WITH IN….SO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE TRUTH AND TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF…THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK AT YOU JUST THE TRUTH….BESIDES YOU STILL HAVE TO PROOF WHGO YOU ARE…GOD BLESS
Obama has shown his birth certificate, the official Certification of Live Birth. It is a birth certificate. In fact, it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. Thousands of people use it every year.
Ellena, we do have to show our birth certificates for driving privileges, joining little leagues, passports and so on.
Our constitution states that POTUS has to have been born in the US. You seem to want to dismiss our constitution and what it stands for. If you dismiss this for one person you end up dismissing for anyone. The constitution is why we have the rights and freedoms that can't be usurped by lying, cheating dictator type politicans, such as Obama.
Obama has shown his birth certificate, the official Certification of Live Birth. It is a birth certificate. In fact, it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. Thousands of people use it every year.
However, no president before Obama ever showed his birth certificate. Not one. Were they all violating the Constitution?
Have a good weekend James!
It is not a birth certificate, it is Certification of Live Birth which anyone can get when they record their birth certificate regardless of origin…
The Certification of Live Birth IS the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Thousands of people use it every year to get US passports. Hawaii does not allow its birth certificate to lie about the place of birth. So, even if you can get a birth certificate when born outside of Hawaii (and Obama could not because it was not passed until 21 years after he was born), it would have to state the real place of birth on it. Obama's says that the place of his birth was Honolulu, Hawaii–and that is the fact that THREE Republican officials have confirmed.
Hey Ellen how many Republicans would it take to convince you your a retard like them. Sorry to anyone who is a republican…..democrats are equally as retarded.
Hey I have an idea!!!!!!!!! Listen up! If you repeat the same thing over and over it somehow becomes true and right. Ellen only uses the left side of her brain so it is impossible to convince her. She has been brainwashed beyond repair i believe. She actually believes what politicians say and what Wall Street says thats all you have to know right there. She is a lost cause so just let her be lost and she will suffer in the end. Anyone who doesn't understand the basic foundation of this country (Constitution & Declaration of Independence) should be removed from this country. So we should kick Obama and Ellen out
Comrade Ellena If You Check Your Lists Of Preferances They Are All Owned All Or Part By Multi-Billionaire Atheist Gyargy Schwartz AKA George Soros, Yikeess, So Watch Your Back.
If it turns out that he was not in fact born in the US, it makes him illegible for the Presidency, which would in turn be high treason. All legislation would be void. I'd say that's reason enough for me.
Obamas Birth Certificate is on Fact Check.org? I'm sorry but if Obamas records are sealed and Hawaii refuses to release the documents exactly how did Fact Check get the Certification of Live Birth ? Several officials from Hawaii have already said that they can't release the document and even the Governor could not get it.
Hawaii cannot send it out except to a select list, one of which is the person herself or himself. In 2007, Obama asked Hawaii for a copy of his birth certificate, and Hawaii sent him the short-form certification of live birth, which is what it sends to everyone. The Obama campaign took a scanned image of the document and posted it, and they then showed the physical copies of the document and showed it to both Politifact and FactCheck, which made its own images of the document.
Hawaii can neither show the original nor show the official birth certificate. As for the governor of Hawaii not getting it–if you mean that he cannot find it, that is a deliberate misquotation of him by WND. The original birth certificate is in the file, as TWO Republican officials stated in writing. The governor could probably see it, if he wanted to do so. What he cannot do is to release it, and he cannot release the official one either. The difference is that Hawaii cannot even send the original to Obama. It can only send the new official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth because that is the only birth certificate it has sent out to anyone since 2001.
OK, Ellena/Ellen/James ?
Assuming I'm trying to buy your story. Why does fact check put up this little story
about "Well, we can show you this one (short from), and we have seen, sniffed,
tasted, licked, groped, fondled, and whatever other acts they performed with it,
the long form. Is it something so sacred like Moohamhead that it cannot be depicted?
I'm not sure what you are getting at. FactCheck received a COLB, the physical copy of the COLB. It made a mistake in describing it as the original. FactCheck did depict the COLB, which was the birth certificate it received. It did not receive the original. No one did since Hawaii has not sent it out since 2001.
FactCheck is not a very strong confirmation of the accuracy of the facts on the COLB. The good confirmation is the repeated statements by the Republican officials in Hawaii. (and the witness)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
I hereby declare all my records sealed then!
Why not discuss the facts?
Well Ellen it seems you get your facts from the lamestream media and you believe politicians therefor making your opinion worth about as much as the dog shit i stepped in this morning……darn dogs
YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!!
ELLENA: ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO WALK AROUND WITH THEIR B/C PLASTERED ON THEIR FOREHEAD TO HAVE THEIR IDENTITY STOLEN. THAT BRAIN CELL WAS ASLEEP!!! PLENTY OF OTHER WAYS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. GUESS YOU JUST LEARNED SOMETHING NEW!!!!!!
Obama's failure to clarify the issues raised by the "birthers' demonsrates a clear absence of moral turpitude on his part . Also, it demonstrates that he is unfit to be President (a clear and continuing
appearance of impropriety) and he should resign or be impeached.
IMPEACHMENT= everything he has signed into law or appointed would REMAIN LAW. Especially the 2 SCOTUS appointees!
INELIGIBLE= EVERYTHING he has signed &/or appointed is NULL & VOID.
Return the CONSTITUTION to AMERICAN CITIZENS & Captain Pamela Barnett, Alan Keyes, Lt.
Col. Lakin ( will be reinstated) & will be able to proceed with their cases.
Research on SonoranNews.com
How did B.O. get a passport without producing a birth certificate? On what passport did he travel to Pakistan, as Barry Soetero? And why has he had 17 SS#s? The last one being issued from Connecticut where he NEVER resided!
HE WASN'T BORN. HE WAS HATCHED IN KENYA WITH ALL THE DIRT HID UNDER THE RUG AND STILL BEING PAID OFF BY HIM AND GEORGE SOROS TO KEEP ALL THE "DIRTY DIRT HID". WHAT OTHER THINGS ARE HID????NO ONE KNOWS WHO THIS JIHADIST CELL IMPLANT-ISLAM-EVIL DEVIL REALLY IS. YOU CAN EASILY SEE HOW HE IS TEARING APART THIS GOOD USA-NO GOOD TREASONER NEEDS SADAM HUSSEIN TREATMENT AND BE DONE WITH IT AND BE SURE MICHELLE IS INCLUDED.SINCE THEY BOTH HATE AMERICA AND OTHER CROOKS OF THEIRS INCLUDED.
Many people do not read comments typed in all caps. They are offensive no matter what the content .
SO SORRY YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED!!! THAT IS WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! WHAT EVER YOU SAY, I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND I WILL DO AS I FREELY WANT!!!!!!!! OH BY THE WAY,DON'T READ THIS YOU WILL BE MORE OFFENDED!!!!!!!!!
OUR CONGRESS SHOULD BE WATCHING THE RIOTS IN EGYPT THAT COULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IF THIS CONGRESS DON'T MAKE A MOVE TO REMOVE THIS USURPER AND GET OUR GOVERNMENT BACK ON TRACK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING FED UP WITH THIS CONGRESS AND FEDERAL JUDGES REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE HAS BEEN NO PROOF THE USURPER HAS A RIGHT TO OCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii, and the fact has been confirmed by THREE REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS IN HAWAII.
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:
(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961. A round trip to Kenya for two has been estimated to have cost around $20,000 in 2010 terms, and there was high risk of stillbirth, and of Yellow Fever in Kenya [a Yellow Fever shot itself is risky during pregnancy]);
(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely);
(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely);
(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country);
(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and;
(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely).
ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?
The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite the overwhelming odds against it and despite all the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly all call birthers crazy.
I haven't heard Ann call birthers crazy only liberal Obuma lovers say that and as for O'reilly he wants to be fair and unbalanced when it comes to Obuma.His mother could have smuggled him in all she had to do is put him in a cage and say it was her pet.Why wouldn't a woman travel just because she's knocked up?
She said "just a few cranks out there." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo…
Your comment about Obama's mother traveling because she was "knocked up" is amusing, as is the idea that she could put Obama in a cage and say he was a pet and thus slip him by US immigration. But this is not a serious answer. No one would believe it. All people, even babies, need US government travel documents. A child brought from Kenya would certainly need such a document–either a US visa on a foreign passport or being added to his mother's US passport. Obama would have had to have such a document if he were born in Kenya, but no such document has been found. It would be easy to find, if it existed, because the application for the document would still be in the files, and there were not all that many applications in Kenya in 1961. But it has not been found.
AND there is still the ENORMOUS EXPENSE of the trip (estimated at around $20,000 for two round trip in 2010 dollars) and the high risk of taking such a trip late in pregnancy (and it had to be made late in pregnancy to fill the scenario), and there is no Kenyan government documents showing either Obama's birth (except for obviously forged "birth certificates') or that Obama's mother ever arrived in Kenya. If the Kenyan government simply hid these documents, it was unusually efficient in that it was able to hide the fact that it was hiding any documents. (Hardly likely for such an inefficient, divided government).
ELLEN: YOU ARE AT IT AGAIN!!!YOU MUST BE ONE OF HIS KIND TO DEFEND SUCH AN EVIL DEVIL WHO WAS HATCHED IN KENYA. YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ALL OF US UNTRUTHS AND WE KNOW BETTER-REGARDLESS OF YOUR IDEA ABOUT THIS BIGGEST LIAR,ILLEGAL ALIEN. YOU SOON WILL SEE THE SAME THING IN USA AS IN CAIRO-NOW-AND GUESS YOU ARE FOR IT AS WELL AS YOUR "O BUM CRAP"WANTS HIS MUSLIM-ISLAM-JIHADIST HERE AS WELL.HE WANTS HIS BRO'S TO TAKE OVER EGYPT AND DESTROY ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES BESIDES. HE IS HERE FOR DESTRUCTION OF USA,CONSTITUTION AND MUSLIM OVER TAKE WHICH HE AND MOMMA CRAP WANT AND ARE DOING IT IN A SNEAKY WAY. HOW MUCH "PAY OFF DO YOU GET FOR YOUR CRAP"???????????
YOU CALLED THIS ONE RIGHT ……..PEOPLE DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THIS SOROS IS DOING ….THEY WILL SEE IN TIME …
ellena is a redundantly prolific copy and paste TROLL.
If ignored… eventually the gibberish, and it… will go away.
Yep, Ellena is either an Obama Zombie or just a bored slacker with nothing else to do.
A sad case that Ellena. At first I thought she might be a paid Obot, but if that is so she would have already been fired
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Oh…you poor little baby, too bad you are not key board challenged. You have to be a lib to talk with such disdain, and such ignorance. Libs have the trademark for gibberish. You will all go away by 2012. I hear Cuba is nice.
Who is Ellena? Given the posting of the supreme court dockets and the spouting of the usual rhetoric on her part, could this possibly be the new supreme court justice Elena Kagan defending her boss? The person who changed documents and lied to the supreme court herself and against whom people are calling for impeachment. Doesn't seem like it could be the same person, but would it suprise you?
HELL NO
So, so true. Why argue with a fool?
I don't buy this because it would have been so easy to have changed his name back once he returned to Hawaii. There is some thing else that BO does not want the public to know. Regardless he is still not eligible to hold the office of the president because both of his parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth thus he is not a natural born citizen.
It may be that he had a dual citizenship under the name obama. So let's say he was born on Kenyan soil and his mother filed for his American citizenship upon her return to Hawaii. As the new born son of an American citizen, who gave birth while abroad. That would give him dual citizenship, wouldn't it. Then she got re-married to Soetoro and he adopted obama. Birth records would've been change to reflect, him being as the son of Soetoro and not obama sr. Does this make sense or is it a stretch? In either case he would not be a natural born citizen. But I guess the powers that be are willing to let him deceive America just so blacks can have their president. I wonder how many streets will be named after him. Just like MLK there's one street in every city in America with his name on it.
A weakness in this take on this murky matter, Allen, is that she would have had to reside in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday in order automatically to confer US citizenship on her child (as I understand the law at the time). She was 18 at his birth. But there is a big assumption here, anyway:. It is to ASSUME that he is the son of Stanley Ann. I like eingriff's take on this issue, above. He may well have been the son of Stanley Armour, and a Hawaiian woman. And hey – he could even have been the son of his maternal grandmother, and Malcolm X, or family friend Frank. As Karen says, above: Anything is possible, in this atrocious mess, because we don't have all the facts to hand. And we don't have all the facts to hand, for one reason, and one reason only: the man called Barack Hussein Obama refuses to allow it.
This is a stain on the highest office in the land, and an insult to the American people. It is unseemly. It is outrageous. It must not stand. The American public is right not to let it go away, until justice is served in this matter – not denied, as it has been up 'til now, by a corrupt and unworthy judicial branch of government. And justice will not be completely served until Lt Col Terry Lakin is absolved of his 'crime' of wanting to be sure he would be following legitimate orders, from a legitimate Commander in Chief.
Would that all members of the military services, serving and past, would do the same.
Stan and Allen Obama does not carry enough weight to account for all we are seeing so there has to be another entity involved. We are focusing too much on Obama and too little on this instigating entity.
Who told you that to be eligible a president has to have two citizen parents? It is WRONG. The reason that the US Congress voted to confirm Obamas' election UNANIMOUSLY is that not one of the 535 members believed that the citizenship of Obamas' father has any effect on Natural Born Citizen status. And neither does the Supreme Court, which has turned down every birther lawsuit. And neither do the VAST majority of constitutional scholars.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
It would also mean that he is an Indonesian citizen and is occupying the office by acts of piracy, fraud, and deceit. It would also mean that he should be summarily hanged for piracy, since he cannot be tried for treason – treason is only for US citizens …… like Michele, Pelosi, Reid, certain Supreme Court "justices", and others.
While in my first session with the American Grand Jury, I saw this evidence. There is no record of Barry Soetoro EVER legaly changing his name to Barack Hussein Obama, Jr, nor is there any record of him renouncing his Indonesian citizenship or becoming a US citizen. HE IS WITHOUT A QUESTION AN ALIEN INVADER!
I've posted this fact on every conservative and other websites, but was banned from a couple. Seems some think I'm as crazy as he is.
KNOW THIS !!!! The American Grand Jury, and a couple of others, have unanimously upheld votes of indictment for treason against Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Hussein Obama, Jr, and these indictments have been presented to state and federal courts, judges, district attorney's, attorney general's, sheriffs, congressmen, senators, and are even now a part of a supreme court case still pending. ALL PARTIES HAVING VERIFYABLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE INDICTMENTS THAT FAIL TO ACT ON THEM ARE SUSPECT AND SUBJECT TO MISPRISON!!!! The service of the indictments has been documented, verified, and posted on-line!
Oh, you poor wretch. Dream on.
At least he's doing something about the matter, eingriff. What are you doing about it??
There are times when doing nothing makes a lot more sense than doing something–if the "something" is stupid.
Stingray is 100% right. Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, we know from the school records that he was an Indonesian citizen (non citizens were not allowed to attend school at that time in Indonesia) and we know that his name was changed to Barry Soetero. There is no evidence that he ever reclaimed his US Citizenship and even if he did, he would have become a naturalized citizen at that point. If his father really was Barack Sr, then he never had any natural born citizenship to begin with and he could never regain it once his American citizenship was lost anyway,
We are dealing with a power greater than Obama, a power that has blinded and still blinds the nation. A few have vision and that vision is growing. The best vision is useless in the dark but the ears are not restricted.
The ears are hearing things that push this darkness back and let the light shine where the eyes can take over. We need to focus on this power of darkness and overcome it with light.
Since he never was adopted and never changed his name legally to Soeotoro, he did not have to change it back. He was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the embassy in Washington will confirm.
Esp Elena Kagen, she is the one who stopped most lawsuits from proceeding when she was a lawyer or whatever she was before obama made her a SCJ for life!! That is one law/rule that needs to be changed ASAP. No one should be appointed for a lifetime position in the Federal Government.
Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will show.
Seems simple enough to me….all Obama needs to do to clear the air is to show proof that he is a natural-born citizen. If he can't or won't do that, then he should step down from the office and turn it over to someone who is qualified. Now, if you believe what I've just said, I have a nice, but old bridge across the Hudson for sale at a bargain price.
He can't do that now, after all that has happened. He has to ride it out or he'll be crucified along with the democrats in the house and senate. That's why he has no monetary limit when it comes to the cost of his legal team. And be assured the democrats and the main stream media, all know what's at stake. I'll bet you they're donating money under the table to help keep the secret sealed.
Not that simple.
If his original birth certificate is disclosed, his political career is shot. It will show he's not African-American, or at least not the son of Obama the alien communist Luo tribesman. That's what he ran on in 2008.
Investigators would then change their focus to the real issue, Barry's loss of U.S. citizenship in the course of becoming Indonesian. See http://obamacrimes.com/?p=423. Can't be both American and Indonesian citizen. Can't be "natural born Citizen" if not a "Citizen" at all, even if you were a natural born Citizen at the time of your birth.
Barry's eligibility and racial identity will never be resolved without exhaustive official inquiries by agencies with the power to compel sworn testimony and to obtain tangible evidence by subpoena and search warrant.
None of this answers why Obama was not properly vetted. We know that he could not have passed the vetting so who managed that little deal?
The facts on the original birth certificate are exactly the same as the facts on the official birth certificate that has been published because, duh, the facts on the official birth certificate were copied by a clerk from the facts on the original birth certificate.
That's not true. In 1961, his father's race would have been listed as Negro, not Black.
Obama has shown the proof, his official birth certificate from Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE officials in the former Republican governor's administration, including the governor herself. That is why his election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress.
I have a fear that zero will pull out a birth certificate, passport, social security card and a large picture of him being held in front of a calendar at the Hawaiian hospital with the pope holding him… like an Acme Roadrunner sign, just before the next election. Will they be fake? undoubtedly.
Will Ellena believe it? no doubt.
Speaker of the House Boehner says :"The State of Hawaii says he was born there and that is good enough for me!"
Since Speaker Boehner is so ably bent on crying in the public forum,I suggest he will be crying tears of humility,when it has been finally established Obama is NOT A U.S.CITIZEN—PERIOD!
The Congress had no guts to challenge Obama's citizenship with his birth certificate regardless of name change or Kenyan birth—-just saving their political arses—eventually this will come out—and shame on Congress for not challenging his right to be President–violating the Constitution–maybe the Puppet Masters need to be delt with also–Obama is smart but,only to a point–he follows orders beautifully and was raised up for years in his grooming for this job—and as far as someone stealing Obama's identity,forget it,he has or has had many social security numbers,so take your pick,also, he could join L,ifelock—
It has come out. It appears that the rest of America is acknowledging that there is a problem here but the powers that be refuse to do anything about it. This story is finally breaking open
WE ALL NEED TO CONTACT BOEHNER AND REMIND HIM HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AMERICAN FIRST
Yeah, and lay low on the crying in public.
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of three officials shows. And his Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii where his father was studying. AND, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
ELLENA; yOU ARE MISGUIDED, AS ALL DEMOCRATS ARE. BET YOUR A YOUNGSTER. When someone runs for an office inthese United States Of America, you are REQUIRED to show that you are a citizen, by showing your full birth certificate. Why was McCain, who was a war hero for this country, and in a cage in Viet nam, for 5 years forced to go before the congress, and prove he was a citizen, yet this DODO, who has a statue erected of him in INDONESIA, praising one of their locals as being pres. of th US pays millions to NOT show it. You are confused, or indoctrinated by the left so much, that you put up all these lefty blogs that SWEAR he is a citizen, in your statement.
I read that they moved the statue to a less visible place because he dissed them.
McCain wasn't "forced to go before the congress, and prove he was a citizen.." The req for POTUS IS 'natural born Citizen' Congress engaged in a bit of hocus pocus to obscure the issue by passing a meaningless "resolution" -declaring Mac to a natural born Citizen- with B.O. Jr and Hillary -enthusiastically signing on–it was hoped the entire issue would be put to rest–
Youngster? Probably not without some adult help. How many youngsters do you know who have any idea how to hunt up something on the supreme court docket?
Obama has already shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. No president before him ever showed his birth certificate. Neither did McCain. The Senate simply accepted his word that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. McCain did not show the Senate or post his birth certificate. The one that is online is not McCain's (It says that McCain was born outside of the Canal Zone, in Colon, while he has said that he was born in the Canal Zone.)
Narcissists are consumate liars!
Very good and very truth!
Ellena: We are not stupid. You seem to think we are. You reiteate the same crap over and over again anbd, no matter WHAT this incredible imposter has or has not done up to this point, He, incumbent or not, will NEVER be allowed to run wothout the proper vetting this time around as 10 states are passing legislation to insure it and more are bound to follow. You can post your little links all you want but it doesn't mean SQUAT if there is no credibility behind them and from the obvious tenor of the VAST majority of these replies for the past SEVERAL days, You have no credibility and people are sick of you. Why don't you give it a rest and go take a sedative and give the REST of us a rest. Please?
We are way ahead of Ellena. Posting his certification of live birth is so 2008!
Obama will simply provide each of the states with a copy of his Certification of Live Birth, which is t he same thing that he has already posted, and the states will accept it because it is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
Birth certificate or not, he's not my president.
Well, He should have checked all the other names of Obama:
Steve,Barrack-Barack-Hussein-Abdullah-Dunham-Sutoro-Soetoro-Saebarkah-Obama
And who know's how many more aliase..
Exactly, and what about the 39 different social security numbers he has used–and the one he is using now was issued from a state where he has never lived but where relatives worked in the state records office. I think it's Connecticut, isn't it? I have that information saved somewhere but have forgotten it. Oh and what about the comment he made overseas when he said that he was glad they weren't blaming him for something that happened when he was 3 months old. He was referring to the Bay of Pigs, and for him to have been three months old would have put his BD in January, not August which is what he currently claims. This imposter is hiding a LOT.
Karen, I think the reference to a relative working in a 'state records office' refers to his purported maternal grandmother, possibly having access to that sort of thing. Wanting to make sure he could be considered a US citizen, for his future, and for 'entitlements' (such a terrible word), she could have accessed a file of old, disused SS nos. If you have 'Information" on that aspect of this matter, it would be helpful to trot it out here on a westernjournalism thread, so that others can know about it.
As for his 'slip' on the the Bay of Pigs thing, it could have merely been due to his lack of knowledge about American history – such as his comment, on the campaign trail, of thinking he had been in "57 States so far". He is, simply, not deeply conversant with the history of the country. And his understanding of the Constitution seems to have been informed purely from a liberal bias, whereby he thinks of it as 'a living document', simply subject to interpretation; and interpretations change over the years, doncha know. As Humpty Dumpty said (before, let us be reminded, he had a great fall): 'Words means what I say they mean – neither more nor less.' Well; guess what, HD, or whatever your current initials are: you've got a battle on your hands on that one. And personally, I'll take the rule of law over the rule of Men anytime.
Seems like I read somewhere there were 57 Muslim countries. May have been a mixup with Obama. If he had convictions to support his speeches he would not need a teleprompter. None of you, dear reader, needs to be prompted on your convictions. Being Communist he would have the Communist slant on the Bay of Pigs but it was America that betrayed the Cubans at that time under the guidance of that same entity that got Obama in the White House. He did not do that on his own merit.
When you practice to deceive—-?
Well, check out Rev.Manning's site:
http://atlahmedianetwork.org/?p=12968
WOW!
Yes, I have heard Rev Manning in person. He has also submitted the conclusions of the citizen trial he conducted to Eric Holder—but you can be assured that nothing will be done with it. We have to start emailing and writing Congress demanding the truth. How can we get a fax/email thrust started that won't stop until it hits the media and forces the truth to come out.
This is all a bunch of crap. Obama knows he is not a natural born citizen of the United States and he deliberately is continuing to try to snooker us a citizens. He is not eligible to be Pres and should be removed immediately and all laws he has singed are null and void.
This is an excellent example of why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy.
Just who do you think believes any of the crap you spew out?
Focus on whether Barry ever applied for U.S. citizenship upon returning to Hawaii. He could be an Indonesian citizen today. Wouldn't that get him impeached? Also, why aren't their lawyers examining the question of his mother's age and length of residence at the time of young Barak Junior's birth? He loses out on U.S. citizenship on that count too…according to the Constitution.
B.O. Jr's Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant unless he asserted or affirmed it after the age of discretion. That is why we want the school & passport records "Impeached?" Can't "impeach" someone who is not legally or Constitutionally "The President" this would only lend legitimacy to that which is…well….illegitimate
"Mothers age"—not a factor vis-a-vis ARTICLE II natural born Citizen
However, with regard to "U.S. citizen" –and if it should turn out that B.O. Jr was born abroad –it would be crucial–in the mother, Stanley Ann Dunham would not have met residency reqs per contemporaneous naturalization law in order to , automatically confer her U.S. citizenship status on her foreign born of a foreign national(B.O. Sr)
I'd say using an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan while allegedly attending Columbia University was affirming his Indonesian citizenship after the age of consent; that was AFTER he started Occidental listed as an Indonesian national on a foreign student scholarship. Mother's age to convey citizenship requires her to have lived 5 consecutive years AFTER the age of 14 in the US, and she was 18 at the time of his birth, so only 4 years. And since Kenya is producing a valid looking BC…as well as multiple claims of his birth there, it's very pertinent; it means he never had any sort of US citizenship, let alone Natural Born citizenship
Obama never had an Indonesian passport, as a telephone call to the Indonesian embassy will confirm. Obama was never listed as an Indonesian citizen at Occidental because he was never an Indonesian citizen, as the Indonesian embassy will confirm.
Steve, the law in Britain, in 1961, was that children born to British subjects are automatically British citizens. Obama inherited British citizenship from his father. Furthermore, the term Natural Born, according to our founders, means that both parents have to be American citizens. The media and Obama cronies keep claiming that "Native Born is the same as Natural Born and it isn't. If Obama was actually born in Hawaii to a British father, then he is a native born citizen and not eligible to hold the office of president.. He coould not be natural born and a citizen of Britain at the same time!
Re: "acording to our founders, means that both parents have to be American citizens. "
Who told you this? It is wrong. Every US citizen born in the USA is a natural born citizen. Only naturalized citizens are not Natural Born US Citizens.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Since Obama never lost his US citizenship, he did not have to apply for US citizenship. We know that he used a US passport when he returned from Indonesia to Hawaii because otherwise he would have needed a US visa, and no application for a visa has been found. Also, Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as the Indonesian embassy will confirm.
steve, that is the problem, lawyers continue to address these issues and the bonehead judges keep acting like they are all scared to hear any of it. the supremes as well seem to be afraid to do anything to this imposter. impeachment is for a legally sitting prez. removal for fraud and piracy is what should happen
After all, I'm asking nicely. I happen to be an independent with conservative leanings and I understand that you and your utterly hateful colleagues can't stand anyone who disagree with your points of view and sometimes make death threats. Anyone ever notice the similarities between liberals and Muslims? They hate EVERYBODY! How ridiculous a world when liberals, many of whom are JEWISH, support the construction of the Ground Zero Mosque, diss God , the Constitution and the rule of law and support state approved infanticide at taxpayer expense; and THEY call US demented? It's a strange, strange world we live in Master Jack. Ellena is living proof. GIVE IT A REST, WILLYA?
Birth certificate or no birth certificate ~ minimually, this man is suing one of our states, Arizonia, for trying to protect her citizens from the wrath of illegals killing, maiming, stealing, kidnapping, etc, ad nauseum, and siding with a foreign country against us! I think we all already know who he really is…
IMO, dear Ellena, Obama was required to show his birth certificate to the Congress when he filed to run in the primary. Unfortunately, he was never vetted properly. I understand he never even provided basic information on the form he signed… and no one challenged him. I feel that the SCOTUS doesn't want to touch it because the responsibility belongs to Congress. Since she filed two certifications, I feel, that Perlosi committed fraud getting Obama into the primary. The fact that both he and his wife turned in their law licenses before he took the oath (one which he ignores, I might add) gives me further reason to distrust. Who turns in their law license unless convicted of a crime? Perhaps one who fears he may be treading on thin ice in the future. Obama has studied the Constitution carefully and made a calculated gamble that he could get away with this fraud. If you think Obama is doing something for you, you will likely be sadly mistaken. He presents, from everything I have read, an extreme case in narcissism. The scarry part is that this trait is common to all dictators. That is why half the people in this country are frightened out of their wits. I suspect a good part of the other half should not be allowed to vote. Maybe voting is a lot more important than many of us thought.
No kidding Dave. Voters need to be "vetted" before they enter the booth. Either they need to be tested on current events or show a tax form that they actually paid taxes or pay a $1000 poll tax (maybe a $10,000 poll tax). We need to take the "takers" out of the voting loop.
So agree. If you do not contribute anything at all to our gov't in the form of taxes then you have no business voting. Period.
The Obamas did not "turn in" their law licenses, the were removed for lack of activity, since neither were practicing law for several years. Lets try to keep our facts straight while criticizing Obama, otherwise we look as bad as the left, who never get their facts straight.
Obama gave up his license because the state of IL 's BAR was onto him about the lie that he'd never been known by any other name than Barack Hussein Obama, when the truth is that he was adopted legally under the name Barry Soetoro, and they were about to prosecute him on that basis. By turning in his license he avoided that prosecution. Michelle lost hers, although just off hand I can't recall what exactly it was she did to lose it, but it was taken away from her, and not for not practicing.
Michelle gave hers up because she wasn't practicing–she didn't "lose" it. And the other part of your comment is pure fantasy.
I think you hit it Dave. This is the real problem we are facing. That so many "voters" don't have a clue anymore. How did we get there? MTV? 'Reality' shows? Jerry Springer type shows? Demoncrats saying everything is the fault of the 'rich' Republicans? Schools teaching kids that they evolved from pond scum? Entitlements from cradle to the grave? Kicking God and our Constitution out of public life as much as possible so that no morons get offended? And on and on this list goes… It's actually a miracle of sorts that we are still as well off as we are. Much prayer, backed up by much action is needed! Regardless of where BO, or whatever his real name is, was born he is taking us farther down the path of destruction, but he cannot do it alone. His has a LOT of willing accomplises!!! If we can reach the masses and convince them of the error of their ways, then BO and others like him would have no power at all.
Actually all of the below theories are wrong. Obama does not have to do anything…! He has what he wants. No one is demanding that he show his BC…at least no one with any capacity to DEMAND it. MY dad says if it smells like a chicken, walks like a chicken, looks like a chicken, sounds like a chicken….then It's PROBABLY a chicken! All Kenyan people say he was born there. Kenyan Govt. proclaimed his birthday a holiday. Kenyan hospital claims he was born there. Kenyan ambassador to the U.S. says he was born there and most of all, Barak's grandmother, swears he was born there. Michelle Obama says IN PUBLIC on Youtube, Barak's home country is Kenya. What is everybody arguing about…? Simplest common denominator is usually correct one.
As for Barak, why would he ever do anything now. He's a lawyer…he knows how to put off the inevitable. There are larger forces here at work. John Boehner wants to repeal Obama care..right…? What easier way to do that than repeal Obama? WHY does the new speaker of the house say this is nothing to do. Nancy Pelosi knew and knows of this, but covered it up. Bill O'Reilly, one of the hardest bulldogs of the press, does and says nothing of this. Senate asked for John McCains BC, but not Barak's, even though he was introduced his first day as a U.S. senator as "The Senates' first Kenyan born Senator"…! (c-span has since yanked this video)
BUsh and Chenney said nothing of this before or since they have left office. Supremes refuse to hear case… "Republican congress" does and says nothing of this…! There is something much bigger than all of these people going on here. Dont ask me, I dont have the answers to this, but it's obvious to see, something looms over everyone's head. Abercrombie has changed his tone on this. Mike Evens, Abercrombie's long time friend, said he misspoke, and retracted his radio statements as to the BC not existing. The American people are the ONLY ones who can make something happen on this one…i patriot .com is putting together a class action suit that MIGHT get through to someone, but I have my doubts. God help us all!!!
Exactly… repeal zero… and zerocare and all the bunk executive orders go to Leavenworth with him. …may even snag pelosi as a bonus.
So we get to watch the dog and pony show over and over. The republicans are now the stars in this show. Bull crap!! why go for all these bills and try to remove them???? JUST REMOVE THE FRAUD IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!! that will make all this void. No media no libril crap just the workings of the laws and constitution. Simple!! But we have to go threw the show and it gets watered down and becomes personal attacks on the republicans. Like trying to fight a war using toddlers. Get Oblunder out and it stops all this.. This is costing our children money as we watch the show. Pop corn peanuts anyone,This sitting around makes me nervis We need to be getting better organized Americans. We have a duty to resolve this for our heritage. We are are about to make history Again we will come out on top. Where Americans..
There was a reference to his citizenship during the debates when he was running for Senate, where his opponent questioned his qualifications, that was carried in AP and NPR both, which have since conveniently vanished, but in which Obama said "it would only matter if he was running for President" but since he wasn't it didn't matter. However he didn't address the question of his actual citizenship at all. Mario Apuzzo made a statement recently in connection with the Kerchner case he's handling that he's seen no evidence that Obama has naturalized since returning either.
He is not qualified to be President because he was not properly vetted and is definitely hiding something. He needs to be tried for treason because he has openly sued Arizona and has said he will sue five other states–one of them being South Carolina–for passing a law against card check and forced unionization of our state. I believe he also now holds some office associated with the UN–I don't remember what that was–which he is not permitted to do as president of the US. Equally important, he has freely acknowledged dual citizenship–which disqualified him to be president, no matter where he was born.
They are all afraid of the race card being thrown also. Not the only reason but it is already being used and was used during Barry's 2008 campaign. Bill Clinton even had it thrown on him in 2008. Go figure. Didn't they call Bill the first black president. What a crazy town Washington is and they call us nuttier's, crazies, wacko's and Irrational.
You are right Rene, I agree mostly with you. The one thing everybody refuses to address is: Internment Camps. Some people call them reeducation camps. Thats where we are going to wind up.There is going to be a massive civil war in this country. Many will die, and many will end up in these camps.The liberal democrats, and several republicans are both taking us kicking and screaming to the New World Order. We are going there by hook or crook , one way or another.Our only hope is if the American people come together , with our military backing US, not them. Some say the military would never fire on its own citizens, don`t you believe that for a minute.The military would love to destroy some groups of people, then sort it out later when they are in power.This is a very fine line we are walking right now, and its only going to get worse. This goverment is going to the New World Order, UNLESS we jail most of them, and start over. The Constitution, and God can be our only leaders to get this country back to where it should be, one nation united under God. If we are ever going to be free Americans again, this is what we have to do. Life without freedom is not worth living.Just one disabled veterans opinion.I have placed my life on the line before, and I will again, WILL YOU!!
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii as his official birth certificate and the confirmation of THREE Republican officials shows. Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii. And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Hawaii. His father was not an American citizen and that in itself makes him ineligible. Its not enough to be married to an american to become an american citizen. In 1952 the law was changed so that you had to go through the naturalization process even if you were, to become a "citizen". A citizen is not the same as being natural born. The founding fathers wanted the president to be an american with to citizen parents for at least one generation that would mean if Obama's father had become a citizen before he was born he would be eligible….but he never did so he is no more eligible than arnold swatzenager or Jennifer Grandholm.
Who told you that the citizenship of Obama's father has any effect on eligibity? It is wrong. ALL US citizens who were born in the USA–as Obama was–are Natural Born Citizens. ALL of them. the only US citizens who are not natural born citizens are naturalized citizens.
arnold swatzenager or Jennifer Grandholm are naturalized US citizens and are not eligible. Obama and Bobby Vindal were born in American and hence are eligible.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
It is so sad to me, knowing from all available evidence to me, that this man is not qualified to be the President of the United States. I know he would not be eligible to be in the military based on his admitted drug use. Here, again he would have to provide a birth certificate. Now he is Commander in Chief. Those in high places know it too, however, for what ever reason decided to do nothing about it and life goes on as usual with their normal squaking in the halls. I guess they are afraid of the Chicago politics, and maybe for a good reason. Even FOX won't pick up on this, and it's so plain to see. Also you cannot publish, what I believe to be proven facts on this or other sites.
Larry, you are absolutly correct, obama is not qualified to be anymore than a puppett for soros. Both need to rot in jail for life. Freeze all assets and later apply their bucks to pay down some of their misspent "stimulus".
I'll second that.
Obama HAS provided a birth certificate, the certification of live birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act GOVERNED the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
I agree, it makes him a dual citizen, which the founding fathers forbade from being a POTUS. Why has not anything been done. No one in congress, senate, supreme, media….no one makes note of this, except …WE THE PEOPLE. No one who can actually do anything about it, can or had done anything. Dr. Alan Keyes (US Ambassador,and Presidential candidate) has made alot of noise about it, but his court cases have been dismissed also. It's almost as if he's (Barry) untouchable…and he's in a foreign country!
Wouldn't that be something; Think about it; A British citizen leads a country freed from the British in or around 1776. What a hoot.
Neither the citizenship of Obama's father nor dual nationality has any effect on Obama's Natural Born Citizen status. That is why the US Congress voted to confirm his election UNANIMOUSLY.
By the way, Thomas Jefferson was a dual national when he was president because he had been made a full citizen (voting rights and the right to run for office) of France by the French Revolutionary assembly. McCain also would have been a dual national. Panama considers people who were born in the Canal Zone to be citizens of Panama.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
NO Ellen — then why not produce the birth certificate. Why the over-reaching to legitimize this illegal resident and non-president white house squatter? He is a thug liar and very stupid – Look at our national economy, look at how he handles things – very stupidly. Its obvious you do not have children and if you do or intend to you and they owe one heck of alot of money to fix this deficit
Any bonehead can splurge money that is not theirs – what do you think stolen credit cards is such a ghastly experience? Well thank you for nothing but crap miss Soetoro lover – but when you figure out how to dig your way out of this heap of elephant dung your favorite boy has dumped on us please let me know.
Re: "- then why not produce the birth certificate (?)"
Answer: Obama has already produced the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the facts on it were confirmed by three Republican officials. Hawaii no longer sends out the long-form birth certificate and has not done so since the short-form birth certificate became the official birth certificate in 2001.
As for the rest, the answer is to vote against him in 2012. I may join you in voting against him. Voting for or against someone based on their polices is a lot different than fantasizing that he was born in Kenya, which he wasn't.
They have the reason why the birth certificate cannot be found – it is not in the name of Obama – rather in the name of Soetoro. Did anyone think to look there?
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At Birth the Usurper's father's name was Obama from Kenya so why would Soetoro be on the BIRTH Certificate when Soetoro was not the Usurper's Biological father at Birth. Soetoro cannot be on the original birth certificate as the Soetoro event did not happen until years after the birth.
When someone is adopted their original birth records go down the worm hole as if they never existed and a new bc is made which lists the adoptive parents as the parents.
Obama was not adopted, either in Indonesia or in Hawaii.
Further to that. In Indonesia and Hawaii an adoption takes the action of a district court, and no files for such an adoption exist. The Indonesian embassy will confirm that there are no files and hence he was not adopted. There are no files in Hawaii.
The original birth certificate CAN be found. It was never lost. Abercrombie DID NOT say that it could not be found or that it was not in the file. Only WND said that Abercrombie said it, and Abercrombie did NOT say it. And, we know that the original birth certificate IS in the file because of the written statement by TWO Republican officials that the ORIGINAL birth certificate is in the file. (That was, by the way, the first of two confirmations. The second said that the document in the file VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
They've even got the Republican party kissing their ass. He wasn't born anywhere. He was hatched out of an egg in a buzzard's nest.
No a buzzard crapped on a rock and the Sun hatched him. No self respecting buzzard would have him in his nest must less sit on him.
I've been doing a lot of reading on this subject and this is the best explanation I have heard yet! LOL
JUDGE 110% CORRECT EXCEPT THE BUSSARD IS "BUM CRAP" AND SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE TREE WHERE HE COULD HAVE THE VULTURES PECKING HIM.
Boehner doesn't want to look lilke a "birther", which is a derogatory term to embarrass and shame those of us who want to see the REAL birth certificate. Well, it's not working, Progressives, except on timid politicians.
The Constitution cannot be trumped by any of the gibberish on the links Ellena provides. The President of the United States has to be a natural-born citizen and prove it.
I like how so many states are making laws that say they won't recognize a presidential candidate until and unless he/she produces a legitimate birth certificate. It's about time for states to stand up for their rights!
Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, and he has proven it with the official birth certificate of Hawaii. That is why his election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress.
The fact remains if he has one , why has he spent millions hiding it ? Why hasn't he feused to release his kindergarten records,they would have it included ? Why is he allowing the military man Larkin to go to prison by not proving his eligibility ? Why did members of the Kenyan Paliament say he was born in Kenya ? How did he go to Pakistan as he claimed he did in 1981 because he could not with an American passport.Since his father was a British subject ,how is natural born of America ??? There are too many unanswered questions .Didn't Obama claim that citizenship should not matter?
Obama hasn't spent millions since there was NEVER a lawsuit against him just for the birth certificate.
Obama went to Pakistan on a US passport because Pakistan was neither on a "no go" list from the US government nor did it keep US tourists from visiting. In fact, it welcomed them with free 30-day visas.
The members of Parliament in Kenya are by now influenced by the birther myth spewed by WND. The fact that they believe the myth does not make it true since they do not cite any documents.
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:
(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961. A round trip to Kenya for two has been estimated to have cost around $20,000 in 2010 terms, and there was high risk of stillbirth, and of Yellow Fever in Kenya [a Yellow Fever shot itself is risky during pregnancy]);
(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely);
(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely);
(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country);
(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and;
(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely).
ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?
The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite the overwhelming odds against it and despite all the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly all call birthers crazy.
Why the heck should he release his kindergarten records? No previous president has. And, do they even exist anymore?
Where is his Mammy? Why don't they ask her where he was born. Are the politicians too stupid to think of that? The good ole boys are all in it together no matter what party they call themselves.
Mother died years ago, and his grandmother died amid a wall of "Protectors" months before the election. Obama would'nt let ANYONE get near his grandmother !
You don't know his birth parents. Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama the alien Luo tribesman are adoptive parents. His birth mother might still live. If she was around 20 in 1961, she would be around 70 now.
Exhaustive official investigations are necessary to identify Barry's birth parents as per the original birth certificate and confirm them by genetic analysis.
Barry's "grandmother" Madelyn Payne was wife to Barry's late birth father, who had him out of wedlock by an as yet unknown woman, probably a native Hawai'ian wahine with possibly Portagee overtones.
We won't know unless and until official inquiries subpoena the original birth certificate as part of an investigation of Barry's eligibility and possible criminal activity.
Actually, his grandmother died on Nov. 2, 2008, just two days before the election. You can look it up!! His mother died on Nov. 7, 1995. You can look that up too!! But none of that has any bearing on whether Obama is a "natural born citizen", which is the important issue here.
As a journalist of 50 years I do not find the argument that Obama is hiding his birth certificate because of a name change convincing. As fawning as the mainstream media has been to Obama, it would be very easy to simply explain that through miscalculation, the name Soetoro was just never changed to Obama. His supporters would accept that as a mistake. But it would not quiet the call for a legitimate long-form birth certificate signed by a doctor which, by very credible evidence, may only be found in Mombasa, Kenya. Anyone with the fee could have had a notice placed in the Honolulu newspaper, such as his grandparents, who would have wanted to notify their relatives of the new child. There is something much darker happening here. If we are to continue to call ourselves a nation of law, Obama must be made to produce a verifiable birth certificate.
As an investigative reporter myself for the last twenty-five years at various publications, most of which are liberal and/or progressive, I must totally concur with your opinions pertaining to the BC matter for this individual that is currently residing within The White House. Name Withheld only due to necessity.to continue working within these liberal progressive establishments.
The suggestion that Obama is withholding the original birth certificate because of a name change is ludicrous pettifogging.
The most plausible reasons are that it would disprove his claimed parents and distract people from the real issue, his loss of U.S. citizenship in becoming Indonesian.
He ran in 2008 as an African-American. What would the fools who voted for him wholly or partly because they thought he was an African-American think if they found out his parents were, say, Stanley Armour Dunham (Stanley Ann's father) and Annie Lili'uokalani?
The name on Obama's original birth certificate (and the name of his father, mother, time of birth, etc) are EXACTLY the same as on the official birth certificate. We know this because, duh, the facts on the official birth certificate were copied by a clerk in Hawaii from the facts on the original birth certificate. That is how birth certificates work.
The reason that Obama does not show the original is because Hawaii did not send it to him. Hawaii sends out only the new short-form certification of live birth and has sent it out to everyone–even persons born before 2001–since it became the official birth certificate in 2001.
Rene and others who wonder what the hell is going on, you might read "The Shadow Party", by David Horowitz and Richard Poe. It is a very revealing indictment on George Soros and his relationships with other powerful politicians like Hillary. (Ever wonder how she so easily won her seat in the Senate? You'll find out how when you read this book.) It's a good read, and contains a lot of information we all need to know.
And no, I don't get a piece of the action on the sale of this book.
I really liked David Horowitz's "Radical Son"….great insight into the socialist and leftist thought patterns and lifestyle.
Loved David Horowitz's book "Radical Son"….truly a great introspective look into the world of leftist, socialist and communist thought patterns and lifestyles.
I'm a fan of Horowitz's and read and enjoyed reading "Radical Son", too. If you enjoy reading, you will really like "The Shadow Party". Another really good book is "Dupes", by Paul Kengor,which shows how Communists have infiltrated virtually every American institution such as our schools, Hollywierd, and even our churches! You would be surprised to learn about dupes of the past and present and who they were/are.
The attendance at the State of the Union Speech were the ugliest group of old buzzards I have ever seen. That just tells you that you have to be rich and ugly to be elected. It helps to be an antique also.
If obama's lips are moving, he's lying. No telling where his "smoke-jumping" birth canal (mother) dumped him. Who cares? He is guilty of many other treasonous offenses, let's charge him, prosecute him and throw the bastard in jail for the rest of his life. Need to get his puppett-master soros too. Both need to suffer.
Quite possibly, wee Barry is not the son of a drunken Kenyan goatherd but of the notorious Comintern pedophile John Marshal Davis. Rather than acknowledge not only that he is illegitimate –Stanley Ann Dunham having indulged a politically motivated marriage-of-convenience to Papa O– and that Big Dad was a vicious Stalinist thug, BHO & Co. fraudulently hoked up his later Soetoro relationship in lieu of a Mombasa birth record (Stanley Ann passed through Kenya to dump Obama Sr., only to find that airlines would not let her continue on to Hawaii a week before her due date).
Regardless of whether Obama Sr. or FMD knocked up Stanley Ann, odds are that she popped in Mombasa as Kenya's current Foreign Minister asserts. But that's not all: No-one disputes that BHO suppurated from about age six to 21+ in Djakarta as an Indonesian national, scouting poppy fields in Pakistan as a designated Muslim. The question is, since when did he file State Department papers renouncing Indonesian citizenship in favor of his much-abominated USA?
From fraudulent Selective Service (draft) records to his prima facie stolen Social Security number, patent lies on Illinois Bar Exam applications plus designation as a foreign (Indonesian) national for purposes of student aid, Barack Hussein Marshal/Obama/Soetoro's documented paper-trail is a tissue of knowing and willful misrepresentations, patent untruths– lies. Since at least 2002, every Illinois politico, major D-rat donor, DNC panjandrums without exception, has known this well and done everything possible to subvert Constitutional eligibility criteria in order to chivvy and hustle Soros' sad-sack puppet into office.
In fact, in logic, and in law, it is impossible to prove a negative. The burden thus lies not on others to expose this wretched poseur's prevarications, but on him personally to provide proof-positive that he is, first, a "natural born" American as Constitutionally defined; and second, that he is in fact a U.S. citizen rather than an Indonesian national, ie. not an illegal alien holding office in absolute bad faith, under false pretenses, as circumstances strongly indicate. Though our craven, hyper-politicized Federal Court system has egregiously failed to address this issue on the merits, BHO himself could resolve the escalating controversy in a trice. After millions of dollars sunk in legal obfuscation of this simple issue, the inescapable inference is that he won't because he can't.
When irrefutable evidence surfaces, as it will, that BHO was neither "born American" nor is even an attested U.S. citizen, his administration's every single act from personnel appointments to legislative signatures to budgetary allocations on all fronts, will be rendered nugatory, invalidated at a stroke. This historic crisis of legitimacy lies entirely with extreme-partisan ideologues of Reid/Pelosi stripe. How circumstances will play out is anybody's guess, but this will absolutely be the last time any peculating coterie of treacherous hate-America types will have the opportunity to play such games.
I'll admit, I do have my theories about what your saying, and I think there could be truth to it. Obama did write "he was more of a father to me than my own father" and called him his "mentor"! And you are correct, his real name is Frank Marshall Davis. Barry does not give correct names in his book…not always.
I must admit, Im not sure if the forces that be ( Pelosi, Reid, Boehner, U.S. Senate, Supremes) will let this knowledge out in our lifetime. All of there past actions would be brought to light and hell will have to be payed. This will get covered up and burried as far underground as these people can make it. The press will never let it see daylight, for it will show their true irrelevance in the matter of truth and trust.
He was probably born in Hawai'i to U.S. citizen parents and adopted by Stanley Ann Dunham, the father's daughter, and the father's friend Obama the alien Luo tribesman.
He probably turned his back on the country of his birth and lost U.S. citizenship, and thereby eligibility to the Office of President, in the course of becoming an Indonesian citizen. Can't be both an American and an Indonesian citizen. The term "natural born Citizen" subsumes "Citizen". You can't be a natural born Citizen if you're not a Citizen at all.
Barry's renunciation of the land of his birth reminds me of lines from "The Lay of the Last Minstrel", by Sir Walter Scott:
Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne’er within him burned,
As home his footsteps he hath turned
From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored, and unsung.
We will never resolve this matter unless and until official agencies with power to compel sworn testimony, subpoena documents and things, and execute search warrants uncover the necessary evidence, which is currently withheld, and thoroughly analyze the evidence and applicable law, including Indonesian and international law.
I think the rumor you are refering to is that FRANK (not John) Marshal Davis of the CPUSA (not the Comintern) is Obama's real father. This may be true, but there is no known evidence of it, and in any case, if it were true, it would actually bolster Obama's case since Frank Davis was an American citizen while Barack Sr. was not.
If you just take it at "face value" and look at the pics….Obama, Jr. looks NOTHING like Sr. who is a short, squatty and VERY dark man as opposed to FMD who is tall, light and lean. And, yes it would bolster his case. He is not eligible on so many levels….his mom was too young to confer citizenship, dual citizenship, Indonesian citizenship, etc. I think this will come out SOON…I think there are many who know the truth and were complicit in the conspiracy to commit this fraud against the Constitution and the American People.
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:
(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961. A round trip to Kenya for two has been estimated to have cost around $20,000 in 2010 terms, and there was high risk of stillbirth, and of Yellow Fever in Kenya [a Yellow Fever shot itself is risky during pregnancy]);
(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely);
(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely);
(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country);
(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and;
(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely).
ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?
The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite the overwhelming odds against it and despite all the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly all call birthers crazy.
If it comes to lite that Obama's name is legally Barry Soetoro, then every document, bill/legislation you name it that Obama has signed is invalid!
This is a huge problem and may be an even bigger story than if he wasn't born in Hawaii since everything he has said and signed has been via the name Barack H Obama. WOW, what a mess he has gotten himself and our country into. He thus has lied and must be impeached. Somehow he must lose all Secret Service protection, pay restitution and be shunned across the country. No way he gets out of this situation, he flat out lied and committed fraud.
Impeachment if for Presidents…if he is not a US citizen, he cannot be POTUS. That makes him and usurper…! An impostor. A poser in less formal thought. Not a President though and not impeachable.
He needs to be dragged away in handcuffs and shackles! Civil War and unrest would break out. The rest of the world would see the weekness and exploit. Maybe 2012 is something to think about. I think he will run again and use the states issuing the new law to prove citizenship a a catalyst for unrest. It will be time for him to open the back door to let his muslim relatives waiting in the wings of Mexico to stampede the US and cause havoc and mayhem. Time for all the lowly to take their piece of the American pie and run with it. Truly a messy future we hold for ourselves.
His name is not Barry Soetoro. The name on his original birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as on his official birth certificate, because–duh–the facts on the official birth certificate were copied from those on the original birth certificate. That is how birth certificates work.
And he neither legally changed his name to Soetoro in Indonesia or in Hawaii.
This is such a embarrassment to our country to not be able to verify our presidents place of birth,date of birth or even his correct name!
Try to understand. Barry won't consent to the disclosure of his original birth certificate because it will show he's not the son of a black Luo tribesman, the hoax that got him elected to the Office of President, for which he is probably ineligible because he lost citizenship in becoming Indonesian.
The name of the father on the original birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as the name of the father on the official birth certificate, the certification of live birth that Obama has shown. That is true because, duh, the facts on the official birth certificate were copied from those on the original birth certificate.
Obama never became an Indonesian citizen.
The Wall Street Journal discusses this myth in detail:
""Obama might be a citizen of Indonesia, not the U.S. " After the president’s parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian man and moved the family to Jakarta, where Barack lived from ages 6 through 10 (1967-71), at which point he returned to the U.S. The hypothesis–based on thin evidence and fat speculation–is that Obama was adopted by his stepfather and therefore became an Indonesian citizen.
Even if that were true, however, it would not deprive him of his status as a natural-born citizen of America. As the State Department Web site notes:
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered . . ., a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
It is outlandish to suggest that a boy under 10 could persuade a diplomat of all that. It is only a tiny bit less outlandish to think that Obama came back to the U.S., spent eight or more years here, and then decided to renounce his citizenship.
Besides, the oath of renunciation is administered in writing. What are we to conclude about someone who refuses to accept an official state birth certificate as proof of birth but expects us to accept utterly preposterous theories with no documentary evidence whatever?"
Maybe if Obama aka Soetoro had the CIA do their magic he could finally release a "certificate of birth", This would be the perfect match, a certificate as phony as he is.
Ellena
If your employer demands that you show your long form birth certificate, do you think your "right to privacy" releases you from any obligation to comply with your employer's demands? Of course you should know that if you fail to prove you fulfill the legal requirements for your job, your boss has every right to fire you. So who is Obama's employer? Is he self employed? Of course not! He was voted into his current position by the American voters. We are his employer and we pay his salary, so it is perfectly logical that we should demand he proves he is qualified according to the constitution to fill his employment position.
An employer can ask for anything, but if an employer did not accept the OFFICIAL birth certificate of a state, the job applicant would have a valid case against the firm. Obama HAS shown the official birth certificate, the only one that Hawaii has issued or sent out to ANYONE since it became the official birth certificate in 2001.
This is just another smoke screen! another way to get him on the ballot for 2012. The truth is out there!
Well, on one of the posts I seen there is no entry in the index for Soetoro so that can not be the case. On the otherhand, if it were and Obama can't have two birth certificates he could not argue privacy for the Soetoro one, hence Hawaii could not deny access to it since there is no expectation for privacy for the committing of a crime.
By the way, I have come up with another idea as to why Obama would be embarassed to show his long-form birth certificate. Obama is not really a he, he is actually a she. Obama could have been born a transgender and they labeled him female instead of male.
This would actually make him the first female president too.
Caleb, I think you are taking the wrong tack. The issue must remain whether Obama is a "natural born citizen" or not. It makes no difference whether his birth certificate may have been amended when he was adopted by Soetoro, what makes a difference is what his birth certificate says about where he was born. That is just one of the reasons that the COLB posted on FactCheck is immaterial, it doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. Some would even argue that it doesn't even matter where he was born, in that his father not being an American citizen keeps Obama from being a "natural born citizen". The biggest problem in this whole arguement is that too many people don't understand the difference between a "citizen" and a "natural born citizen".
The COLB states that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Re: "Some would even argue that it doesn't even matter where he was born, in that his father not being an American citizen keeps Obama from being a "natural born citizen". "
Those "some" would be few and they would be WRONG. If a single member of Congress had held this view Obama's election would not have been confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
Why would his name be "Soetoro" on a birth certificate ? A name change does not change original documents. Adoption enables documents to be made henceforth with the person's new name.
How can the birth certificate which should have been filed around the time of his birth which was August of 1961 say 'Barry Soetoro' when his mother Ann hadn't even met the step father Soetoro in 1961? The long form birth certificate would have been filed when he was born, not 9 years later when he was adopted in Indonesia. It makes no sense at all. I think this article is mistaken about the name change, although that may be a possibility that Obama never 'officially' registered his name change, but that's an entirely different issue. The issue is 'where' he was born, was it Hawaii, or was it Kenya? Only the long form knows that. What was suspected by the Philip Berg, Esq, the first one to launch a lawsuit against Obama before he was chosen as the Democratic nominee, was that the name of his father listed on the long form birth certificate was not Barak Obama, Sr., but someone else, in which case his name would not have been Barak Obama, but something else. No doubt something fishy is going on, for Obama to have spent over 2 million dollars to protect his secret. He will never get in for a 2nd term. This will be his undoing, during election time.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm. Nor did he become an Indonesian citizen. He did not even legally change his name to Soetoro.
Re: "Obama to have spent over 2 million dollars to protect his secret. "
The spending is a birther MYTH. There was never a lawsuit just for his birth certificate or just for documents. virtually all of them make claims (such as Indonesian citizenship) and then ask the court to declare that Obama is not eligible. In other words, they do not even ask for documents to be shown to the court.
The Wall Street Journal said this about the myth:
""Why has Obama spent X dollars defending himself against lawsuits when he could just produce the original birth certificate and make the whole thing go away?” X varies, just in our emails of the past 24 hours, from “thousands” to “almost a million”; one reader set the amount at “$950,000.” As far as we know, all these estimates have a common source: thin air.
In any case, while this question sounds eminently reasonable, in fact it betrays a complete lack of understanding of the legal process. The “defense” against these frivolous lawsuits has consisted of filing a motion for summary judgment, which in every case has been granted.
In a motion for summary judgment, a defendant in a lawsuit asks the judge to dismiss the case as meritless before trial. In considering whether to grant such a motion, the judge is obliged to treat all facts in dispute as if they were resolved in the plaintiff’s favor. He may dismiss the case only if he finds it is without merit as a matter of law. The defendant’s introduction of additional factual evidence into the record would make the process more costly and time-consuming, not less.
The production of a 1961 birth certificate would make these lawsuits “go away” only if one assumes that it would persuade the plaintiffs to withdraw their claims, or not to file them in the first place. This assumption is completely fanciful. As we noted yesterday, birthers “claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.” Sure enough, an outfit styling itself the Western Center for Journalism has produced what purports to be a report from “an investigator” commissioned by “a retired CIA officer”–neither of them has a name–arguing that the original birth certificate might be fraudulent. "
Logic has it that if a birth certificate wording were changed, then that birth certificate – with the new name – should exist in the Hawaii records. Why hasn't someone reported on that? What this also infers that it is indeed the practice of hospitals and State records to make adaption name changes routinely. Is that true?????
Because the wording was not changed. He was not adopted.
The questions behind all this bc stuff will linger on and on like JFK assassination and many other conspiracies. The main thing is what will it take for the USA people to demand and actually obtain ALL information on this imposter. I fear to think of this but a revolution is maybe what the ruling class is really trying to spark. When obama beat hillary in the primaries I became very suspect of him being born in Hawaii but dropped the idea until, in October of 2008, I began to read the lawsuit of Phil Berg. It all made sense obama not qualified and now I have been disappointed so many times and each time realizing that our own government had to be infiltrated with anti-Americans (commies) to pull such a plot off onto the American people.
There are many traitors amongst us to keep this issue from being reasonably acted upon by any judge on our land. Congress (past and present), the law, the SCOTUS, GW, many others in high places have betrayed America intentionally. The reasons are many for each individual but their main goal is most likely to advance the NWO. Where does the solution lie to finalize the full disclosure of obama. Could it be a work stoppage until he produces the bc, or could it be people refusing to pay their taxes on April 15 or each year, or could it be a sit in around the WH, or the unthinkable. Whatever it is it needs to be done now because our leaders are nothing but a bunch of scum bag traitors and cowards and they keep promising us they will get to the bottom of it, but nothing happens, just a lot of rhetoric. I am 62 and hope to be around for a while but if I die that will end it for me, but what about you? Will it be the never ending song………………………?
Dream on. The above is an excellent example of why Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly all call birthers crazy.
It should be ILLEGAL for a Presidential candidate to not release the info. If someone dug deep enough they would probably find out it is.
The BC is from Coast General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya, and does list his name as Barack Hussein Obama, II, but he was adopted under Indonesian law, and if their laws are anything like ours that way, then a new BC was issued, and the name he was using in Indonesia, according to some school records from there, was Barry Soetoro; again if the schools there are like ours you register under your legal name. My best guess is that the reason he's not showing his records is that he KNOWS full well he not only doesn't meet the Constitutional eligibility for POTUS, but didn't meet it for the Senate either; there's NO EVIDENCE that he ever naturalized to become a US citizen at all; he was still listed as an Indonesian national when he started college at Occidental on CA's fiscal records about his foreign student scholarship, and he used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the '80s while allegedly at Columbia, which he couldn't do unless he was still an Indonesian citizen,.
The "Kenyan birth certificate" has been proven to be a forgery. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag…
The reason that Obama does not show his original Hawaii birth certificate is that he has shown his official Hawaii birth certificate, and that is the only birth document that Hawaii sends out–even to people born before 2001–since it became the official birth certificate of Hawaii in 2001.
Ellen, as a nurse. I helped fill out BC's in 3 different states AFTER 1961; and in EVERY state they included the name of the hospital, the county of birth, the doctor delivering, the time of birth, the birth weight and other vital statistics of that nature, the NURSE who put those on that record, and the footprints of the baby. Now admittedly, that was before DNA, and cord blood wasn't routinely typed, which I suspect have been added to the identifying info as well, because the entire purpose of the BC is to POSITIVELY IDENTIFY the individual; for the Fed that sells us as collateral for the national debt. The COLB presented is the forgery, and is worthless as a form of identification. HI didn't even accept them for anything prior to 2009 officially; and that I suspect was only after threats from Obama and pals because of the trouble brewing over his lack of credentials to serve in the office he's usurped by deceit. Where he was born is really immaterial, since his adoption negated his birth citizenship, and he never even naturalized after returning to the US to live. He wasn't even eligible to run for the Senate! So kindly get out of the lies and get with the facts that are pertinent! The ONLY thing his BC would show that pertains is that his father is NOT a US citizen and wasn't at the time of his birth. WHERE he was born is MOOT; got it? He's NOT a citizen at all, never mind a natural born citizen! However there are more people, including Michelle Obama, saying he was born in Kenya than those who say he was born in HI for what that's worth!
Re: "I helped fill out BC's in 3 different states AFTER 1961;'
Answer. Sure, but many if not most US states have adopted short-form birth certificates, and after they did, many of them (including Hawaii) decided not to send out the long-form birth certificate anymore, even to people born before the short-form became the official birth certifciate.
Your allegation about the COLB being a forgery is absurd. Two guys who would not give their names claimed it. The McCain campaign checked the allegation out, as it checked the allegation of birth in Kenya, and it found them both false. The attorney general of Hawaii for the last four years (until December) was a CONSERVATIVE Republican, and if he had thought that the birth certificate were forged or the officials who confirmed it were lying, he would have taken action–and he did nothing.
Hawaii and the US State Department and the branches of the US military have accepted Hawaii's COLB as proof of birth in the USA since 2001 when it became the official birth certificate. Thousands of people use it every year and have used it every years since 2001.
There is not a shred of proof that Obama was adopted. He certainly was not adopted in Indonesia, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm. He was not adopted in Hawaii either, because there would have to be an adoption file, and none has been found.
The Wall Street Journal said this about the adoption myth:
"After the president’s parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian man and moved the family to Jakarta, where Barack lived from ages 6 through 10 (1967-71), at which point he returned to the U.S. The hypothesis–based on thin evidence and fat speculation–is that Obama was adopted by his stepfather and therefore became an Indonesian citizen.
Even if that were true, however, it would not deprive him of his status as a natural-born citizen of America. "
The reason that Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress (one hundred senators and 435 representatives) is that not one of them believes either that Obama was born outside of the USA (or lost US citizenship) OR that the citizenship of Obama's father affects Obama's elilgiblity. And it doesn't affect. ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are natural born citizens. Only naturalized citizens are not natural born citizens.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Michelle Obama never said that Obama was born in Kenya. Her use of the phrase "home land" or "home country" referred to the country of his ancestors. That is the way that Kennedy and Reagan referred to Ireland, as their home land. Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya either. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii ." ( http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi…
The birth certificate is a ruse – smoke and mirrors! They knew during the last election that Barry was not a natural born citizen because he inherited British citizenship and Kenyan citizenship from his father.
Remember last election when they had the hearings about McCain's eligibility? That was designed to take attention off of Barry to hide the fact that he is not a natural born citizen. They claim that native born, (born on American soil), is the same as natural born, (having two parents who are both American citizens). Obama and his gangsters have had plenty of time to plant whatever documentation they need to. While Abercrombie setup the ruse claiming the BC would be an issue in the next election, he was probably planting documents to pull out and show; "Oh, here it is!"
ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are natural born citizens. The citizenship of parents is irrelevant. The original meaning of Natural Born used in America (not Switzerland) at the time of the writing of the Constitution referred only to the place of birth, not to the parents.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
Given Obama's track record of honesty, I have to believe his paternal grandmother over him, and she said that she was in attendance when little Borracky was born. Since she had never been to Hawaii in her life, where was little Borracky actually born? Not in Hawaii!
Of course, he has a friend in government who claims he was there when little Barry was born. A friend who can slip records in for him! Don't be surprised to see Obama give the nod to Abercrombie to release his information, and don't be surprised when Abercrombie starts yelling, "Here they are! How did I miss them?"
This doesn't make sense to me. His NAME on his BIRTH CERTIFICATE would still be Obama, as Soetoro didn't come into the picture until Barack was a few years old. How stupid is this article? Am I misunderstanding something. Any BIRTH certificate, presumably from the date of his birth, would never have Soetoro on it, when his mother wouldn't know him for several years into the future at that point.
The man was born in Kenya. That's why there's no birth certificate in Hawaii, and that's why Barack/Barry hasn't shown anything. Anyway, his father had a British passport, so little Barack was not a Natural Born US citizen. He's a fraud. And, yes, his name was changed when he was adopted, and he actually attended Occidental University registered as a foreign student under the name Barry Soetoro. Maybe he never changed it back, but the point is that he is not a Natural born US citizen and does not qualify to be president.
Strongly Agree … CORRECT!
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii as his OFFICIAL birth certificate shows, and as confirmed by THREE Republican officials.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, "where his father was studying." And she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. A letter from Hawaii.
ALL US citizens born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. Only naturalized citizens are not natural born citizens.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
Identity Theft? Who'd want to be him? No, he's a liar, born and bred and would lie for credit when he could get cash for the truth!
I understand he was accepted at Oxidental College as an Indonesian. This was to obtain a foreign student scholarship!!
You understand wrong. No one from Occidental has said any such thing.
The art 2 citizenship requirement is meant to protect the entire nation. IT SUPERCEDES ALL OTHER LAW !!!
In fact, the status of whomever seeks the office is required to be exposed as a means to detect any hidden allegiances. I state that Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro has declared his intent to hide any allegiances and activities which may expose his true self and intent and furthermore is the very personage of he who was intended to be revealed by any interpretation of the process to elect and qualify. He must show all school records that were paid for by the US taxpayer. If he applied for Occidental as a foreigner that would have been fine had he not then changed his name to deceive the public. He hid his true legal name from the ILL Bar. Hid it from the people of ILL and claimed by silent acceptance that he was Kenyan born. Now he Claims HI birth while refusing to admit of the use of an alias. So, which IS the alias we must know and which is the foreigner and which the bogus NBC today? Which may have defrauded the US over the course of his chameleon like existence? WHO IS THE REAL OBAMA ? Do we even really need to look at all of his life to know he should be immediately removed? All we need know is that he has committed fraud which is blatantly obvious. NBC ?, well a felon can't hold office either. Shall we go for a third strike?
There is NO two citizen requirement. ALL US citizens born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. That is why the US Congress voted to confirm Obama UNANIMOUSLY. Not one member in the 535 believes that the citizenship of one parent or even two parents has any effect on the Natural Born Status of a person born in the USA.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate and the confirmation of THREE Republican officials shows.
The constitution does not give way to inventions of law. The claim that some harm may come to the child advised of his true parentage is absurd in this case as aka Obama claims he already knows. The purported proof of NBC. Is sealed by HI law? Sealed from the constitution? Sealed from tangible interest which the people seeking to uphold and defend said constitution do not have even though as I write many are suffering financial loss, loss of freedom and face the threat of retaliation by forces backing this con man. I say there is interest and I say there is harm done already which must be made whole before it tallies higher.
No, the truth is that the document under seal is two things. It is not proof of NBC. It was legally sealed creating the person Barry Soetoro who by all reason still exists and is committing fraud, has committed fraud each day since December 1980. Proof of that will be in the Occidental records, the US passport records and his applications to the social security admin, the selective servive admin, the ILL bar, the ILL state DMV, and all transactions requiring disclosure of use of an alias up to and including the swearing of the oath to office.
The original document is not sealed. It is simply Hawaii's policy not to send out the original birth certificate anymore now that the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate.
The original birth certificate does not have the name Barry Soetoro on it. The name on it is exactly the same as on the official birth certificate because the facts on the official birth certificate come from the original birth certificate.
You have no right to see the Occidental records, passport records, etc.–but if they were seen, they would not show that Obama was born outside of the USA or that he changed his name, or that he became a citizen of Indonesia. The latter is easy to disprove by simply calling the Indonesian Embassy.
THIS IS A VERY PLAUSIBLE AND REALISTIC THEORY ~ THAT obummer ' s BIRTH CERTIFICATE
WOULD ACTUALLY SHOW HIS NAME AS BARRY SOETORO . WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE
PROCEDURE AFTER AN ADOPTION IS TO AMEND THE BC OF THE ADOPTED CHILD TO SHOW
TYE NEW NAME , AND THE ORIGINAL RECORDS ARE SEALED . EVEN SO , WE STILL BELIEVE
STRONGLY THAT obozo WAS BORN IN KENYA , AND THE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT WAS POSTED
IN THE HAWAI ' I PAPERS 9 DAYS AFTER THE " ASSUMED " BIRTH . TO VIEW THE AUTHENTIC
KENYA BC , GO TO : http://www.youtube.com/inspectorsmith OR http://www.youtube.com/bsteadman1
THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE IN A FEDERAL COURT , AND A COPY
SENT TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE 111th AND 112th CONGRESS .
The name on the original birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as the name on the official birth certificate, the one that has been published, because–duh–the facts on the official birth certificate were copied off of the original birth certificate in the files.
Obama was not born in Kenya. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Birth Certificate Reads Barry Soetoro?! America! Wake-up! Obama is clearly written about in the Bible! First, KNOW that the name "Israel" was given to Joseph(England & America-Gen. 48:16), not Judah, who lost such knowledge because we and they broke the the NAME covenant(i.e., the Sabbaths Covenant, both weekly & annual Sabbaths)! Secondly, Israel's women(remember the story of Eve?) put over Israel the "forbidden foreigner" of Deuteronomy 17:15, as well as, the self-professed end-time Anti-Messiah(Marxist) of the book of Revelation, Chapter 7. Remember, it is also written that the first(Cain) shall be last and the last(Seth) shall be FIRST to be resurrected! Think of the voting block! Jacob's trouble, or the 3 1/2 year tribulation(severe)punishment will begin either this November or most likely next November! Looking for scientifically proven deducted truths as the bible commands(2 Peter 1:20)? If so, try the International Congregation of Yahweh(ICY) in Arkansas with Gary Miller. Do you realize that the Bible clearly indicates that only 144,000 Israelites, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes will survive Obama? No? Watch!
The name on the original birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as the name on the official birth certificate, the one that has been published. This is because–duh–the facts on the official birth certificate were copied by the clerk from the original birth certificate. That is how birth certificates work.
The original birth certificate will not show the name that it was changed to but will show the original name. So if it shows Soetero then that was the name his mother gave when he was born. Any US citizen can get a certified copy from the state they were born in. So thr hospital records are not the place to look .
I agree he is hiding something.
Yes, the original will show the original name, and that is Obama, not Soetoro. The name on the original birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as the name on the official birth certificate, the one that has been published. This is because–duh–the facts on the official birth certificate were copied by the clerk from the original birth certificate. That is how birth certificates work.
Obama has already gotten and shown the certified copy of his birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official and only birth certificate of Hawaii.
Why would the Birth Certificate read "Barry Soetoro"? He was born first and had a step father later. However, if he was officially adopted in Indonesia, he would be an Indonesian citizen. And you are correct about the name if it was not officially changed. The birth certificate would have the birth name on it wherever it is. His sister has a certificate just like the one of his that is on the internet. Hawaii issued it to her even though she was born in Indonesia. We know he is hiding something important.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm, and he never became an Indonesian citizen (and you can ask about that too).
Re Obama's sister. A very prominent birther, Leo Donfrio, did the equivalent of a FOIA search of the Hawaii records. And he showed that Obama's sister does not even have a file in the Hawaii birth registry. She could have had one, if her mother had lived in Hawaii for the required amount of time immediately before the birth. But Obama could not have a file UNLESS he was born in Hawaii because that was not allowed until more than twenty years after his birth. AND he has a file, and the contents of it were looked at by two Republican officials, and they repeatedly confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.
I am buying no product sold on television until the media takes up this story and demands the birth certificate is produces by the President. This story is making America look like a nation of crooked lawyers rather than a nation of laws. It has reached absurd proportions.
The truth can be embarrasing! He's told one story for several years and if the truth says something different, he will have lots of expalining to do! It will destroy any credibility he may have left! He has none with me!
See; I am still not sure this is the reason for the shell game with the Long form, but this THEORY as it states in the article would make lots of sense. That is why I mostly refer to him as Barry. As a minimum he should of put it on any official federal document that he or I would have to fill out and call it a "Known alias". That is a Federal Law and felony from what I have read. You must list all Known Aliases. Period. Case closed if they even find one form that he did not use he's real name and any known aliases. Don't get me started about the social security numbers Yes Plural from the theories I have read about. So if that to is provable, then with have a Lawbreaker and Chief. I would not be happy with even with the original birth certificate just being released. I would like a complete review of all "Protected Documents". Something is not right and I just can't put my finger on it. Some one someday will and I hope soon.
Damn. there's Commie Ellena again protecting her (false) messiah. I wonder how much George Soros pays her to do that? Good points made in the article as it pertains to the Soetoro adoption. Obama is lying about something but we stupid Americans will most likely re-elect the Commie. God has sent Obama as our punishment for rejecting Him. We ain't seen nothing yet, in the next 12-18 months will see severe food shortages and rioting.
Barry must come clean and NOW !! This half breed must go to Jail with those that have lied to the American People. His wife, Pelosi and Emanual to start !!! Congress must act soon !
Wrong Nikki. According to the Immigration and Naturalization Act passed in the 1950's, his mother would had to have been 19 years old if giving birth on foreign soil in order to confer citizenship to her child. The law reads..5 years after the age of 14. Additionally he would have been a dual citizen since his father was a British subject…another fact which disqualifies him. Thirdly, he was adopted by an Indonesian stepfather and registered as such while in school in Indonesia. There is no record of his ever seeking to renounce this and reclaim any U.S. citizenship. He is disqualified on many different levels.
If the hand written notes that were found by Neil Abercrombie had the name of Barry Soetoro written on them and possibly as stated in the above paragraph that the name change on Obama's birth certificate was Barry Soetoro and he never got around to changing his indonesian name then that just proves that Barack Obama is still not a legal citizen of this country since he had to swear allegiance to Indonesia to attend school there. Personally I don't care where MR. Obama was born the truth still remains that Barack Obama is not a legal President of this Country.
Who said that they were "hand written notes?" Not Abercrombie. WND said that he said it, but he didn't say it. And there is an original birth certificate in the file as stated by TWO Republican officials in the first of their confirmations of Obama's birth in Hawaii. The second said that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Obama did not have to swear allegiance to Indonesia to attend school there, as a telephone call to the Indonesian embassy in Washington will confirm.
I read that barry got on a plane in NY or CA as barry and de-planed as obma. He changed his name in mid-air!
If a legal, long form Birth Certificate existed, with names of mother and father, date and time of delivery and the doctor's name, like all Americans have, Obama would have produced it by now. Can anyone think of a logical reason why he would not? I had to produce my ORIGINAL birth certificate, not the certified copy. to get a Driver's license in my state! Does Obama have a Driver's license? And what about his Passports? Something is really fishy, and it was the Supreme Court Justices' duty to make sure he is who he says he is, prior to swearing him in. I wrote a letter to Chief Justice Roberts and asked (begged) him to do this verification, and of course, it was ignored.
Obama has already produced the OFFICIAL birth certificate. Hawaii does not send out the original anymore.
Obama and his gangsters have a way of obfuscating the truth. They know that Obama is not a natural born citizen because he was born a British subject – his birthright from his father. When Obama was born, he inherited British citizenship from his father so he could not be considered a Natural Born citizen.
Now they will produce a document showing he was born in Hawaii – even though it doesn’t make him a natural born citizen. They created a diversion in the last election by calling McCain's citizenship into question knowing that McCain was born to two parents who were both American citizens and therefore Natural Born. By doing that, they took the attention off of Barry.
Yeah, one thing is for sure, this great lie was born in the city of gangsters!!!
ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are natural born citizens. the citizenship of the father has no effect on natural born status.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
If any American used a name illegally to sign an affidavit or swear allegiance to, what penalty would we face/
Barry Soetoro AKA Barack H. Obama #203 In Jakarta 1/1/68 Was Enrolled In Class As An Indonesian Citizen Whose Religion Was Muslim, Yikeess, Now You ACLU Anti-American Atheist Nut Cases Comrades McPhersonnn, Ellena, Geo Soros, Obama Whitehouse Press, Fed-Register Press Hotmail, Snopes, Fatcheck, Annenberg Foundation, MoveOn, The Appollo Alliance, Media Matters Etc, And The List Grows!! So Just Pull Up UTube "Johnny Carson Lie Detector" Politican ACLU Obama Truth Detector. God Bless America And Lt Col Terry Lakin.
Fortune cookie wisdom, "Man who hides the truth has truth to hide!" This man, B.H.O., has taken so many steps to hide so much about his past that one can't help but wonder: 1) Why?, and 2) Is he in fact constitutionally qualified to be President? Logically the answer is 1) because it would disqualify him, and 2) No !
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, that shows that he was born in Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed repeatedly by the officials in Hawaii.
Obama has not hidden anything. He has shown his birth certificate, and he does NOT have to show his transcripts, his parents' marriage license, his passports or his baptism records. No previous president ever has.
The American people deserve to learn if this BOH or Barry Soetoro is his real name and if he is really eligible to be president. He does have something to hide.
His real name is Obama. The name on his original birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as on his official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, because–duh–the facts on the official were copied off of the original by the clerk. That is how birth certificates work.
Also, Obama never had his name legally changed either in Hawaii or in Indonesia.
For some reason, my comments were deleted.__What I said was right! WE DON’T KNOW WHO IS RUNNING OUR COUNTRY!__If police stop me and asked my for my ID and I refuse to show it, I will be ending in jail… How can he refuse to show his ID and still is our president! I also commented that the politicians and judges are not defending our country, that’s a fact! Like Mc Cain, our hero, knowing about Obama’s problem before the election kept his mouth close and let as get in this disgrace and throwing as under the bus. Is he someone we can trust, after that? WE WANT TO KNOW! We have the right to know, we voted for someone that we don’t even know his real name! Since we do not know his real name, how did we know he is not a traitor, with his background and having 20 years of listening to his preacher talking against America and skin colors, there is a very good possibility. This is a joke! …But nobody is laughing!!!__You should not delete a comment, when “everything” written is true!__
John Blake, 16 hours ago sent 35 lines, Rene, 16 hours ago sent 23 lines, I only trying to send 13 What's the problem?
I thought NewsMax was good so I subscribed.
Bad move on my part. It didn't take long to realize they're a wolf in sheep's clothing. Now I'm there to "know your enemies".
I've noticed the same with them lately?
I know Dick Morris was a former strategist for Clinton who I thought converted.
Looks like he had a relapse.
The name on the original birth certificate, and the name of the father, mother, time of birth, etc, are EXACTLY the same as on the OFFICIAL birth certificate that was published. This because, duh, the facts on the official birth certificate come from the original birth certificate in the files. That is how the new birth certificate is created. A clerk fills in a computer form from the document in the files, and we KNOW that there is an original birth certificate in the files from the first of the two confirmations by the Republican officials in the former governor of Hawaii's administration.
Further to that. I expect the question: "Then why doesn't he release the original birth certificate to show that?" And the answer is that Hawaii has not sent out the original birth certificate to ANYONE since the new short-form certification of live birth became the official birth certificate in 2001. It does not send out the original to anyone, even to people born before 2001.
Citizen does not mean natural born…Arnold Swarzneger is a citizen but can't run for president. Jennifer Grandholm is a citizen but also can't run for president. One was born in Austria, the other in Canada. so even though there american citizen's they have not fufilled the requirements.
Obama may have been born here but his father was not an american citizen. The requirement for having to citizen parents to be considered natural born is not fufilled. It doesn't matter where Obama was born. He is ineligible because he doesn't fufill the requirements
BTW marrying an american citizen isn't enough to make you an american citizen because that rule was changed in 1952 thanks to the Korean War. Of course Barry's father was already married to someone else…could that be the problem? Maybe he doesn't really know who his daddy was.
You are right that a citizen does not mean natural born. There are two kinds of citizen, natural born and naturalized. ALL US citizens who were born in the USA fall into the natural born category. Only US citizens who were born outside of the USA fall into the naturalized category. Obama and Bobby Vindal fall into the Natural Born category. Obama falls into the Natural Born category because he was born in Hawaii. The citizenship of his father or even of two parents has no effect. The original meaning of Natural Born in America (not Switzerland) referred only to the place of birth, not the parents.
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829) "Nice but I'm not a birthier and you have not debunked my "Theory". These are just books, Can you find me court ruling about the "Parents" You know the plural use of the term in the constitution? If I was ever in need of a Lawyer I sure would hope you were available, because you sure can do research for a useless propose of coming here and trying to convince the peeps here. Note to Ellen: "Never going to happen".
The word "Parents" does not appear in the US Constitution.
And, here are some court rulings that specifically state that children of foreign parents are Natural Born Citizens:
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):
“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
DUH Have you seen these with you own eyes? You sure are quite sure of yourself. Tell me you have and I will believe you, just say it; I have seen the chosen ones documentation (all of it).
The privacy law should "NOT" apply to Obama only. Therefore, " EVERY PRESIDENTIAL DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT HE OR SHE IS " A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN" ! WHAT HAPPENED TO WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS? SHOULD AMERICANS IGNORE THAT, TOO? THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED!!!!!!
Obama has provided proof that he is an Natural Born Citizen by showing the official birth certificate of Hawaii and because the facts on it were confirmed by three Republican officials in Hawaii. Obama does not have to show his kindergarten, school or college transcripts or his passport or his parents' marriage license. No other president has shown such things.
I hereby declare all my records sealed then!
Obama surrendered his privacy rights on this issue when he ran for the presidency. Any candidate is subject to vetting. McCain was vetted prior to the elections. Why did everyone stop then? As for a committed partisan politician confirming Obama's authenticity, so what! Factcheck.org has been shown in the past to have credibility problems. They are a partisan organization. It is incomprehensible that a man who has aspired to the highest office in our nation, the most powerful in the world, would try to block access to something as simple as his birth certificate. With no social security number or other theft related data on it, releasing it would only clear up the controversy.
Sooner or later it will come out. If he is NOT a natural born citizen, then anything & everything he has done is illegal. Additionally, each & every person who aided his fraud, are equally guilty & that means a lot of high Democrat party heads should roll. They knew, they lied, they "conspired to defraud."
Talk about the crime of the century!
Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii and it has been confirmed by three officials in Hawaii. This is proof that he is a Natural Born CItizen, and it is why the US Congress voted to confirm Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY.
I hereby declare all my records sealed then!
Delighted to hear that your records are sealed. Have a good weekend.
Why don't you discuss the facts?
Are you sucking on Obama's shaft Ellen? That is assuming he has one. Seeing how he went through a great deal of trouble to hide who he really is maybe he is actually a woman
Obama's father was never a US citizen.
Obama's mother a minor when he was born.
Obama's mother was statutorily raped by a married, black, Muslim man.
Obama is not a naturally born citizen.
Obama thinks you can became an American citizen by inaction. He had to reclaim his Kenyan citizenship at 25 when he was away for seven years. He did not,
Similarly he had to do something to reclaim his Indonesian citizenship which he did not.
At twenty one he had to claim his US citizenship and go through the naturalization process…he also didn't do that…So what country does he claim?
Obama did not have to be naturalized because he never lost US citizenship.
This is what the Wall Street Journal said about the Indonesian myth:
""Obama might be a citizen of Indonesia, not the U.S." After the president’s parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian man and moved the family to Jakarta, where Barack lived from ages 6 through 10 (1967-71), at which point he returned to the U.S. The hypothesis–based on thin evidence and fat speculation–is that Obama was adopted by his stepfather and therefore became an Indonesian citizen.
Even if that were true, however, it would not deprive him of his status as a natural-born citizen of America. As the State Department Web site notes:
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered . . ., a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
It is outlandish to suggest that a boy under 10 could persuade a diplomat of all that. It is only a tiny bit less outlandish to think that Obama came back to the U.S., spent eight or more years here, and then decided to renounce his citizenship.
Besides, the oath of renunciation is administered in writing. What are we to conclude about someone who refuses to accept an official state birth certificate as proof of birth but expects us to accept utterly preposterous theories with no documentary evidence whatever?"
Under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, if he were born in Kenya he would not be a U.S. citizen. Look it up. His mother would had to live continually for 5 years past the age of 14 on U.S. soil to confer citizenship. Since she was only 18 when she gave birth…you do the math. Look it up…I did.
If he were born in Kenya a lot of things would be different. But he wasn't born in Kenya. He was born in the USA, in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate and the confirmation of THREE Republican officials confirm.
ALL US citizens born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. Neither the citizenship of the father nor the age of the mother has any effect on Natural Born status.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Wrong…look up the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.
ALL US Citizens who were born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens. Only naturalized citizens are not natural born citizens.
Here are some court rulings:
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):
“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
What makes the third child different from her siblings? She was born in the USA.
Everything points to no American BC for Obama, Hawaiian or otherwise, and that he was born in Kenya. Various African newspaper reports and relatives and former Kenyan ambassador say he was born in Africa/Kenya. The senior records clerk from Hawaii has said and signed a legal statement saying no record of a Obama BC exists. If you have not contacted your House Rep to ask for an investigation on this , just take a few minutes and send an email to them. Look for their contact info on their website.
THREE Republican officials have stated that Obama's official records are correct. The senior records clerk is a liar who did not have access to birth records http://kaystreet.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/honolul…
NO relatives have ever said that Obama was born in Kenya. In particular, his Kenyan grandmother never said any such thing. She said repeatedly in the tape recorded interview that Obama was born in Hawaii, "where his father was studying.' And she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. A letter from Hawaii. A letter from HAWAII.
The African newspaper that inserted "Kenya-born" was trying to make the point that his father was born in Kenya. In any case, it is wrong. Obama was not born there. The ambassador has said repeatedly that he did not understand the question in the telephone interview. English is not his first language.
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:
(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961. A round trip to Kenya for two has been estimated to have cost around $20,000 in 2010 terms, and there was high risk of stillbirth, and of Yellow Fever in Kenya [a Yellow Fever shot itself is risky during pregnancy]);
(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely);
(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely);
(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country);
(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and;
(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely).
ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?
The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite the overwhelming odds against it and despite all the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly all call birthers crazy.
The National Review said: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”
Not totally true. If Obama's mother met the legal age to transfer citizenship and he was born outside the U.S. or its territory, there must be a State Dept. Consular document recorded in an embassy for citizenship to be accepted and even then that does not seem to qualify as a "natural born citizen".
If Obama's mother met the legal age to transfer citizenship and he was born outside the U.S. or its territory, there must be a State Dept. Consular document recorded in an embassy for citizenship to be accepted and even then that does not seem to qualify as a "natural born citizen".
The greater picture is a total identity crisis with no real birth certificate, multiple social security numbers (the main one taken form a former citizen now deceased and the SS Dept does not reissue numbers), fake Selective Service document and a lack of compliance with the Constitution on his qualification. This should be the number one news in America but instead it is swept aside by the treasonous news media which hates the American people and so either lies or censors the facts.
Obama has posted the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Re multiple social security numbers. It turns out that thousands of us have multiple SS numbers in our files because the Social Security Administration has been sloppy and inefficient for decades. The Connecticut ss number came because Danbery CT and Hawaii have zip codes that are the same except for 0 for one and 9 for the other. Hitting the wrong digit generated the wrong SS number.
If Obama were born outside of the USA, he would have needed a US visa or to be entered on his mother's US passport to be allowed to enter the USA. if either of those had existed, they would have had to been applied for, in Kenya for example or in another country. If such an application had existed, it would have been found by now. AND, there is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the fact that its facts have been confirmed by THREE Republican officials. And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
All you have to show is your official birth certificate to get a US passport. Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
I don't understand how "who ever he is" can get away without proving who he is by producing a birth certificate. This embarasses me as an American Citizen.
He HAS produced his birth certificate, the certification of live birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials.
Wouldn't this mean if Michelle married BHO that their marriage isn't legal because his real name is Barry Soetoro? Isn't that also fraud? Has anyone ever seen their marriage certificate?
Fine I accept — Do not allow the public to see your documents – But BARRY, I do not allow you as a foreign born or non natural born as per the Article 2 REQUIREMENT to set foot NEAR the white House much less the Oval Office. SO in acceptance to never seeing your birth certificate — I expect you to get the hell out of WE THE PEOPLES HOUSE!!! Deal??
By the way, just to see how much embarrassment I would undergo and endure I went to my neighborhood Federal Building and applied for my birth certificate and a WHOPPING $twelve dollars, one triple latte' to while away time as I read a replica of the US Constitution and and agonizing 40 minutes later — voila!!! My birth certificate sealed. embossed signed official the whole deal — in less time than it takes to watch a TV show!!! After two years to find a talented forger any BC Barry will produce will be a fake– What a fraud!! And yes I question you and cannot see how in your mind socialism cannot fail in your view as it already through its flaws and failings is self destructing before your very eyes — Socialism doesnt work in a FREE society. Your rebelliousness and temerity are a good example in themselves – Socialism does not take into account the desire to be free, to explore to be different and develop ones individuality. NO ONE WANTS TO BE LIKE YOU!!!!!!!! NO ONE!!!
Obama has shown his birth certificate, the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
honesty is the path to truth…to thine own self be true….
or dishonesty is the path to bulls..t…and the people of this great People's Republic are being blessed with a whole pile of it (BS).
One example: freeze discretionary spending…sure: this post a 30% raise for education/energy/interior accomplished by the dem congress and potus with "continuing resolution" procedures in the FY 2009/10 federal funding process (please do not call it a "budget")…and then the blame is placed back on the prior admin??? come on, give us all a break (see above).
So…sure i wonder about honesty and truth re: certification of Presidente Obama's birth and his country of origin. Pretty sure he got to travel to P-stan in a former life when that country was on the no-travel list for "US citizens." Makes one wonder. ?Si?
Who told you that Pakistan was on a no travel list in 1981? IT WASN'T. It was an ally of the USA and it was relatively peaceful at the time, so peaceful that US newspapers ran travel articles recommending visiting. Pakistan encouraged US citizens to visit. It even had an office of Pakistan International Airlines on Fifth Avenue in New York.
no matter what the facts have proven, NOTHING has happened from day one!!! Constant collusion against anyone and anything that is presented to rid america of this cancer!!! thus, wake up patriots, and understand that america has fallen to the NWO and soon we will be totally enslaved as bible prophecy describes hundreds of times through out its pages of the only TRUTH there is!!! the good news is that Christ will return soon to take total control of earth and eliminate ALL govts and leaders of the satan infested satan ruled world!! "satan, the god of this world" "he who deceives the whole world"!! That, my friends, is why the scum of the world have and are persecuting true christians and have eliminated the bible from american public schools and culture, satan is their god and stan knows he has little time left to rule this evil world!!! Man cannot rule himself as depicted within all govts of earth and especially in these latter 60 years of this mess called america!!
The idea that this president Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero may not have been born in this country (the U.S.A.) is an act of fraud on the American people. The foundation document of this country is the Constitution and it is clear about the law regarding who can be elected (or as has been the case "selected") as head of the executive branch.
Allowing this fraud to continue in its simplest terms is a violation of the Constitution. In a more serious vein, if the American people accept this fraud foisted upon them, what more violations against our founding document do they find reasonable? Obviously, in recent times, many assaults against our Constitution.
Having a weakened element in, say the foundation of your house, will inevitably result in a slow dissolution of the entire house. Especially if the "weakened" element is in a pivotal position in the overall structure.
The idea that Obama was born in this country is supported by the facts. Notices of his birth appeared in the Hawaii newspapers a week or ten days after the birth. Birth notices in Hawaii in those days were not advertisements. They were only official notices of birth sent out by the department of vital records of Hawaii, which sent them out only for births IN Hawaii and which did not allow "walk in" registrations but demanded a witnessed statement unless the child was born in a hospital.
Obama has the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and THREE Republican officials confirmed the facts on it. During the time that they confirmed the Attorney General of Hawaii was a Conservative Republican who could have prosecuted the three if they were lying or prosecuted someone if there was anything wrong with the birth certificate. He took no action.
Unless smuggled across the Mexican or Canadian border (which is unlikely in Obama's case due to Hawaii being islands) a child requires a US travel document to be carried into the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or adding the child to a parent's US passport. If the application for such a document existed, it would be easy to find–no such document has been found.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya .She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying. And, she said in a separate interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Further to "…and which did not allow "walk in" registrations but demanded a witnessed statement unless the child was born in a hospital. "
Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital, as both the former Republican governor of Hawaii and a witness indicate.
Here is the statement by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
40% of all births in Hawaii in the 1960's were home births. Registration could be made by grandparents. The announcement in the newspaper is meaningless. I saw the announcement and on that day, the births spanned an 9 day range from July 30th to Aug. 7th. It is quite likely, his mother could have called from Kenya and the Grandmother could have registered his birth thus triggering the announcement…since the address given in the announcement was the home address of the Grandparents. My mother placed my son's birth announcement in her hometown newspaper in ANOTHER STATE…but he wasn't born there.
Yes, there were home births in Hawaii, but Hawaii did not allow someone to get a birth certificate that said "born in Honolulu" (as Obama's does) or any other Hawaii location without witness proof, unless the child was born in a hospital, which Obama was (Kapiolani as stated both by the former governor and this witness http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
Since Hawaii did not accept "walk in" or "phone in" birth registrations, the notice sent to the newspapers by the department of vital records includes only births in Hawaii and that category includes only those that have proof of birth in Hawaii.
Re: "My mother placed my son's birth announcement in her hometown newspaper in ANOTHER STATE…but he wasn't born there. "
But that was not in Hawaii in 1961. In Hawaii at that time the newspapers did not accept birth announcement advertising. They ONLY published the notices sent to them by the department of vital records, and the department only sent out those notices when there was proof of birth in Hawaii. They did not accept walk in or phone in registrations of birth. When there was a claim of birth outside of a hospital, they demanded proof in the form of a doctors' or midwive's statement. So, maybe your mother could place such an ad, but Obama's relatives could not have.
@Ellen: Clearly you're not acquainted with the concept of Taquiyya, and WHY would CA's fiscal records list Obama as an Indonesian national on a foreign scholarship if he wasn't.? Then again, it was attorney Mario Apuzzo, in working on the Kerchner case who came up with the Indonesian passport for the trip to Pakistan; he' s got better resources than I have to research those things, probably more experience too. And then there's the matter of something approaching 80 different SSN's that Obama has used, which was uncovered by 2 separate PIs in 2 different states and NOT working together on the project; the latest of which was issued to a man born in 1890, probably in CT, at least that's where such numbers were usually issued, at about the same time that Obama was known to be living in HI and working at a Honolulu Baskin-Robbins under a DIFFERENT SSN, which is also illegal, and SSN's are not reissued; that's YOUR record for posterity! You're just following this narcissist's lies and buying into them, hook line and sinker! Wake up before you find yourself living in a communist/Marxist regime with EVERY thought controlled by the rulers!
Re: “WHY would CA's fiscal records list Obama as an Indonesian national on a foreign scholarship if he wasn't.? “
Answer: Because neither CA nor any other college (he went to Occidental and Columbia) lists Obama as a Indonesian national.
Re: “Then again, it was attorney Mario Apuzzo, in working on the Kerchner case who came up with the Indonesian passport for the trip to Pakistan; he' s got better resources than I have to research those things.”
Answer: No, it was Berg, and it is wrong. Here is a New York Times article from 1981 recommending a visit to Lahore, Pakistan. http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/travel/lahore-a… Pakistan was eager to have US tourists. It even had an office on Fifth Avenue in New York. Neither Pakistan nor the US government blocked American tourists from visiting Pakistan.
Re ‘something approaching 80 different SSN's that Obama has used, which was uncovered by 2 separate PIs in 2 different states and NOT working together on the project; the latest of which was issued to a man born in 1890, probably in CT, at least that's where such numbers were usually issued, at about the same time that Obama was known to be living in HI and working at a Honolulu Baskin-Robbins under a DIFFERENT SSN, which is also illegal, and SSN's are not reissued; that's YOUR record for posterity! ‘
Answer: The reason that no one in Congress or the press is interested in this is because, wait for it, thousands if not tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people have multiple social security numbers in their files.
The reason, obviously, is that the Social Security Administration has had massive fuck ups for decades. It has been sloppy and inefficient, and the cause of the multiple numbers is that all the typos continue in the files. They aren’t cleaned up—because they really don’t cause any problems—the SS administration only pays off on one number anyway. The cause of the Connecticut number is also well-known. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice how close 0 and 9 are to each other on the keyboard?
It is not a question of who I like or who you dislike. The facts are what they are. The facts are that Obama was born in Hawaii and THREE Republican officials confirmed those facts. The facts are that Pakistan was not on any no-travel list nor did it bar US citizens from visiting. The facts are that lots of people have multiple SS numbers in their files because of the screw-ups of the Social Security Administration.
ALI OBAMA BIN LYIN
Even if he had one… to intentionally withold this information from his public shows the sheer arrogance and elitist attitude he has adapted. Is that really an American trait?
Buck Ofama
(and everyone who looks like him)
Obama is not intentionally withholding his birth certificate. He has published the only one that was sent to him, the official birth certificate. He has published the only one that Hawaii sends to anyone. Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate.
@ Ellen: Obviously you don't know the laws of this nation, the Constitution or current events. The comment I attributed to Apuzzo was FROM Apuzzo, and NOT Berg. It's against the law to have more than 1 SSN with the POSSIBLE exception of those in witness protection. AND you're working from a skewed definition of fact, clearly. Oh by the way, Governor Abercrombie can't find any actual records of Obama's alleged birth in HI, and doesn't remember seeing him before the age of about 5 there. Of course he lied about seeing them as a family since Obama Sr. had left the state long before that to attend Harvard, and never returned. But please don't let the truth disturb your bubble of lies! And the Kenya BC reads Barack Hussein Obama II, but he was ADOPTED in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro, under the name Barry Soetoro, which is still his legal name, and the IL state Bar was fixing to prosecute him for lying about that, which is why he "gave up" his law license there!
Re 'it's against the law to have more than one SSN."
Answer: Who says? It may be against the law to apply for more than one SSN, but it cannot be against the law to have errors in your SS account that lead to multiple SS numbers, and tens of thousands of people do have multiple SS numbers in their accounts caused by the massive amount of data entry errors that the SS administration made over the years.
Re: "Oh by the way, Governor Abercrombie can't find any actual records of Obama's alleged birth in HI,"
Answer: Actually, he did not say that. He did not say that he could not find, or that they were missing or that they were not in the file. WND said that he said it. Ambercrombie NEVER said it, only WND. And WND does not show any quotation that backs up its speculation. So, not only did Abercrombie NOT say it, but TWO Republican officials stated in writing that there was an ORIGINAL birth certificate in Obama's file. http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate? (Birthers even said when the statement was made that the original birth certificate could have meant a birth certificate from Kenya or another place. That allegation, however, was untrue because in 1961 ONLY Hawaiian birth documents could be filed in Hawaii's birth files.) In their second of the two confirmations, the Republican officials said that the document or documents in the file VERIFY that Obama was born in Hawaii
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
Re: "And the Kenya BC reads Barack Hussein Obama II, "
Answer. The Kenyan BC is a well-known forgery, and Lucas Smith is a convicted felon who never even showed a Kenyan stamp on his passport to prove that he ever went to Kenya. Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he went to Kenya, and she said in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. A letter from Hawaii.
The actual quotation is:
“Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she "was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S." ( http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi…
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia as the Indonesian Embassy will tell you, nor did he change his name while in Indonesia. Even if he were adopted, and he wasn't, it would not change his US citizen status at all.
The Wall Street Journal said:
"After the president’s parents divorced, his mother married an Indonesian man and moved the family to Jakarta, where Barack lived from ages 6 through 10 (1967-71), at which point he returned to the U.S. The hypothesis–based on thin evidence and fat speculation–is that Obama was adopted by his stepfather and therefore became an Indonesian citizen.
Even if that were true, however, it would not deprive him of his status as a natural-born citizen of America. "
For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:
(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961. A round trip to Kenya for two has been estimated to have cost around $20,000 in 2010 terms, and there was high risk of stillbirth, and of Yellow Fever in Kenya [a Yellow Fever shot itself is risky during pregnancy]);
(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely);
(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely);
(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country);
(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and;
(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely).
ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?
How about his Kenyan Grandmother stating she was present when he was born? You want to talk about travel and $$…where did Obama get the $$ to travel to Pakistan? Poor kid, poor mom, couldn't afford health insurance but Obama could go trekking to Pakistan…Hmmmm I won't even question his passport but tell me how did he get a CT SSN when he's never lived in CT? Riddle me that!
And his mom moved to Seattle with him when he was 17 days old.
Miss Ellena ACLU Anti-American Do You Ever Keep Score On Your THUMBS UP And THUMBS DOWN?? Yikeess, However 90 Thumbs Down On Your Brillant George Soros Facts Is A Joke, Yikeess, So If You And ACLU Ant-American Teacher McPhersonn Would Like A One-Way Ticket To Kenya To Check On The Un-Accurate Facts About Dumbobamas Birth Certificate Bon Voyage. God Bless America Sarah Palin And Lt Col Terry Lakin.
Manning is so nuts that even most conservatives won't have anything to do with him, though he's managed to get some attention (and raise some money) by immediately coming out as a black "reverend" who opposed Obama and then joining the "birther" cause.
Try to imagine a conservative Rev. Al Sharpton, but one who also used to be a burgler and who granted himself a "doctorate"–with a much smaller following–and you'll have some idea of what Manning is.
Don't take my word for it, of course: See for yourself at his own site: http://atlah.org/
So now wacky theories from a PUMA site are worth sharing on a birther site? What, your own commenters don't provide a wide enough range of creative conspiracy theories?
@Ellen: you are clearly buying the lies and I'm not going to. There's not a shred of evidence Obama is or ever was a US citizen of any stripe, and certainly was never a natural born citizen so end of discussion. As for SSA and multiple numbers; if there are errors in your record those get corrected, but NOT by a new number; the whole purpose of a number is to IDENTIFY a specific individual! A modicum of common sense here might be in order, and how long have you had your SSN? I've had mine well over 50 years,. from a time when they weren't issued at birth!
Everyone is missing the boat to be president you have to be a natural born citizen from the founding fathers that means both your mother and your father are American citizens his father was Kenyan and not a us citizen so he is disqualified to be president.
Who told you that? It is wrong. ALL US citizens who were born in the USA are natural born citizens. Only naturalized US citizens are not Natural Born US citizens. That is why the US Congress voted to confirm Obama unanimously, because not one member believes either that he was born outside of the country or that the citizenship of Obamas' father affects Obama's natural born citizen status. And, it doesn't:
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
I have a different idea. I think that the reason there is no birthcertificate is because he was not born in 1961. I feel that Abercrombie memories are actually telling us something if we bother to look.
1. He said that he knew obama playing baseball around 5 years old. That could be true but the time frame does not work for Abercrombie unless it was in 1961 that he was 5 years old and that was when he saw him. Even if he saw him in 1962 before daddy left for Harvard then he would have still been born before 1961
Obama has shown his official birth certificate, which shows that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. Abercrombie did NOT say that the original in the file cannot be found. WND said that he said it, but he didn't say it, and in fact there is an ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in Obama's file as stated in writing by TWO Republican officials.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
Ellen; Where does fact check get their money? I know do you. Its a little trail to the true money source. So Fact Check is just like a politician that has to support the people and the causes the people that give them money. I can tell you one thing President Bush is not responsible for Fact check dot org. Thank goodness he did do at least one thing. Sure took a lot of heat for everything from 2006 to present. Funny no one else was responsible, just him all by himself.
FactCheck gets its money from advertising.
Besides, I do not rely on the confirmation of FactCheck. It made a good-quality photo of Obama's irth certificate, but its checking was slopping.
What counts are the confirmations of the THREE Republican officials and the witness, and t he fact that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Hawaii (several times in two interviews) and the fact that the announcement of Obama's birth appeared in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961, and at the time the newspapers only accepted official birth announcements from the department of vital records and the department of vital records did NOT accept 'walk in registrations' but required witnessed statements if there was a claim that the child was born outside of a hospital.
Here is a photocopy of Obama’s official birth certificate. Notice the seal on the back. Yes, it is on Factcheck’s site, but the idea that they could forge such a detailed document and the seal is laughable.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Here is confirmation that it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob…
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0…
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495…
Quotation from the first grandmother interview:
"MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.'
END QUOTE
A second interview in which Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that the first that she had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii is reported by the Tribune News Service in the Hartford Courant, which describes how the Kenyan family received a letter announcing the Aug. 4, 1961, birth. The Tribune reporter noted an interview with Sarah Obama in which she said she was "so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S."
The actual quotation is:
“Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she "was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S." ( http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi…
@Ellen: I wouldn't admit to having so many numbers in your personal account if I were you, because that's fraud and a felony.
@navyjr: You obviously don't know what you're talking about–a governmental clerical error doesn't create fraud unless someone actually tries to use different numbers to defraud someone. I hope you're not practicing law without a license, because that's fraud and a felony.
Not practicing law; just know that government clerical errors DON"T put multiple numbers in one's SSA account.
Actually, you are wrong, Government data entry errors account for by far the majority of cases where multiple SS numbers are found in files
http://andresmortgage.com/does-someone-have-your-…
“Social Security numbers can be associated with multiple individuals, and that individuals can have multiple SSNs associated with them. The majority of these conditions are associated with data entry errors during a creditor’s reporting process to a credit reporting agency like Experian, or joint account activity related to family members or legitimate associations,” said spokeswoman Susan Henson. “Only a small percentage of these conditions are related to malicious intent, and Experian’s fraud prevention tools detect and compensate for the majority of these cases.”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_2…
More than 20 million Americans have multiple Social Security numbers associated with their names, according to a new study of commercial databases by a leading consumer risk-management firm.
The study by ID Analytics Inc. in San Diego also found that about 100,000 Americans have five or more of the numbers tagged to their identity.
Most of the associations are innocuous – a mistakenly entered digit or a transposition of two numerals – with little or no intent to defraud the legitimate owner, experts say."
More than TWENTY MILLION AMERICANS HAVE MULTIPLE SS NUMBERS IN THEIR FILES, AND more than 100,000 have five or more numbers in their files.
And, not only does the SS Administration make errors in entering numbers (and often the zip codes that generate the numbers, as was the case in generating Obama's Connecticut number), it also has errors in the about 3% (which is a lot) of the data entries for salaries, which can make a lot of people more poor or more rich than they should be when they retire.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/ss_…
(So, when you retire, check the SS figures for each year's earnings carefully.)
The cause of Obama's Connecticut SS number is well-known. It was generated by a slip in entering Obama's Hawaii zip code. Numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice how close 0 and 9 are to each other on the keyboard?
If that was the case NO ONE would have an individual identity in this nation. Wherever you got such insane information, I'd delete it from your computer if I were you. And that many clerical errors would screw up EVERY aspect of EVERY American's daily life. You couldn't get a bank account, a driver's license, health care, etc, if things were as you're depicting; the military couldn't get the recruits they need. That's just plain insane! Try finding the truth for a change.
This is the case. You are speculating. The facts are that millions of people have errors in their social security files, and apparently it does not cause too much of a problem. Banks and so forth just check the number that they were given and it works in 99.99% of the times. It is only when someone creates a fraudulent number that there is a problem. But that is the problem of fraud, not of mistakes.
In any case, the facts are clear, millions of people have errors in their files. The main Obama error, the SS number from Connecticut, was caused by a data entry error in the zip code, which is used to generate the SS number.
Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Notice how close 0 and 9 are to each other on the keyboard?
Well there ya go again. Statistics to support your side of a debate. Please a error rate that supports why he has many SSN and got one from another state.
The study by ID Analytics Inc. in San Diego also found that about 100,000 Americans have five or more of the numbers tagged to their identity.
More than TWENTY MILLION AMERICANS HAVE MULTIPLE SS NUMBERS IN THEIR FILES, AND more than 100,000 have five or more numbers in their files.
Ellen; This is my favorite::::the cause of Obama's Connecticut SS number is well-known.
No it is not ( well-known.) and nice job doing research to support your your argument but as all statistic go you can not prove that his SSN number was one of these STATISTIC> What a spin job you really got going here.More than 20 Million have Multiple SSN's. Yep and how many have as many as Barry has link to him. He is hiding his past and he is the biggest liar than any President since President Nixon. How close were 0 and 9 on Type writers and good old logs hand written back in the day. Your reaching here. What else can I say. ROTFLMAO :-@ :-$ :-X
Still: ROTFLMAO:::::::::::::::::::
@ Ellen: Couple of things wrong with your premise here. First; as I have a VERY common name for my age group, it would be EXTREMELY likely there'd be such errors in my files IF the SSA employees were so incompetent as you imply, which is error number 1, and there aren't such errors, There weren't when I went into the service after having my number for over a decade, unusual back then itself, since numbers weren't generally issued before about the age of 16 when kids first started working, unless they had some sort of bank accounts before that, which I did. There weren't such errors when I retired either. Since so much rides on CORRECT information going into those files for both the individual and the government, I posit that your assumption is in error!
You are lucky that you do not have multiple social security numbers in your account, but millions of people DO have multiple social security numbers in their accounts. I have cited the studies that show this.
The Social Security Administration is overseen in the Republican-controlled US House of Representatives by the Subcommittee on Social Security. The chairman of that subcommittee is U.S. Congressman Sam Johnson (R-TX).
Here is the contact form on his site: http://www.samjohnson.house.gov/Contact/
Although he says he does not want to answer questions other than from his constituents, I believe that he would answer questions about multiple social security numbers being in files. And/Or, you can ask the same question of your own representative or your two senators. Ask whether there were many errors in social security data entry resulting in multiple numbers in files.
Then ask why they are not surprised that there are multiple SS numbers in Obama's file.
You will find that they confirm the research. There were millions of mistakes resulting in multiple numbers in millions of files.
@Ellen: if that's the case, then rather than waste the time of Congress with inquiries, I'll recommend they simply FIRE all employees of the SSA and get some people who can read, type, and DO the job for which they're hired.
No problem. You should do that. In fact it is your RIGHT TO DO IT. I would fight to the death for your right to recommend that government employees be fired. I wonder how many letters the SSA and the committees that oversee it get every year recommending "you should fire all (or some)."
Maybe someday they will, so go right ahead.
I guess no one recalls when Obama was running for office he and his wife made a trip to Kenya. There to meet him was the Kenya head of state who said "Mr. Obama has returned to his place of birth." I think that knocks Hawaii BS out of the box.
Yeah, sure. And forgive us for not taking your word for it, but I'm sure you can provide a link.
If you're an American citizen, like it or not….he's YOUR president. Also I might add, he's is as American as any of you. I'm sure you guys already know that, it's just that, it's just that, ya'll really don't like the dude. To bad.
Obama was born Barry Soetoro but the "certificate of live birth" states Barrak Hussain Obama. It is a forge document. Obama is lying
i like it in my butt
Go to Google and type list of US Presidents. Review all the names. Then #44 Barack Obama. Conveniently they left out (Hussein)
We have gone insane to let this sharade continue.
Where is the branch of this useless government sworn to protect us from the enemy within?????
When did become acceptable to have an alias as President of The United States Of America????
There are a lot of people who should be prosecuted and punished heavily for the crimes keeping this covered up!!!!!!!!!
God Help Us! Please Pray for The US and The Hard Working Tax Payers!! Also Please Pray that the leaches on the US get exactly what is comming to them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMymDv6Db4 Check out this video, new white rapper twin-c vanilla spilla rips obama apart! its titled "Barry Soetoro aka Barack ObamaBLowUP!" ft. John F. Kennedy sensational!!
I'm going to solve this debate once and for all. I don't give a f*ck if Obama was born on a whole different planet and could prove it……he still sucks and is ruining this country and Ellena, Ellen, and James (all the same person if you didn't know) are as f*cking retarded as Obama.