It always happens the same way.
There is some horrific massacre.
There is a supposed “public outcry” to ban whatever weapons were used.
The weapons are banned.
Then comes the national gun registry.
Then all guns are banned.
This is what happened in England and Australia, and now it is happening in the United States.
Except Obama (through his gun-grabbing surrogate Dianne Feinstein) is saving time by banning all “assault” weapons and instituting a national gun registry all in one swoop.
If you think Obama doesn’t want to ban all guns, I’ve got some swampland in Florida you might be interested in.
Look way back in 1999, and you will find that Obama “proposed sweeping federal gun control legislation that would increase the penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms, restrict gun purchases to one weapon a month, increase the licensing fee, and ban the sale of firearms at gun shows.”
Or go back a few more years, in 1996, and you will find Obama called for an all-out ban on handguns.
Who were the “right-wing wackos” that dug up this hand gun ban info?
This was on April 17, 2008.
After Obama claimed that the Independent Voters of Illinois questionnaire that this information came from didn’t reflect his views—despite the fact that it had his handwriting all over it—and after his democratic opponent at the time, Hillary Clinton, called Obama a liar, two months later, the powers that be (the Bilderbergs or globalists or banksters, or whatever conspiracy theory suits your taste) decided that Hillary Clinton was out and Barack Obama was in.
The mainstream media then buried this information along with all the other damaging information about one Barack Hussein Obama.
Such things that he was a Marxist.
That his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis was a Marxist.
That all his buddies were Marxists (and domestic terrorists if you include Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn).
And guess what?
Marxists are totalitarians.
And totalitarians always seek to disarm the rabble.
That’s us. The rabble, that is.
Wake up, America.
We have a Marxist in the White House.
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If unchecked, Obama will succeed and no law abiding citizen will be armed. Unfortunately the criminals will have a hay-day, robbing, raping and killing innocent unarmed American’s while at the same time all of those dirt-bag elitists will have their armed protection.
WE MUST RESIST!
Patriots plan for resisting the Globalist agenda:
Develop Secure Community Co-ops (Interactive Neighborhood Watch on steroids). Groups should be from about 5 to 15 people in the same general area, neighborhood. All members should be conservative/responsible adults.
Members should work at fortifying local, county and state govts. as well as joining Shrf. Reserve Forces (as long as the shrf. is an oathkeeper), Constitutional Sheriffs Assoc./ USCDA, State Militias, Constitutional Militias, etc. Also, should be involved in TP, 9-12, John Birch Soc., etc.
SCC’s should have a liason with other like-minded grps. in order to give/obtain support when needed.
The states should and hopefully will be the first line of defense against an overreaching tyrannical govt.(Don’t count on it if you are living in a Blue State) Next, it would fall on the counties and local communities, working in concert with the various State Militia units, Co. Shrfs’ Depts., Constitutional and SCC elements. After that, if needed, Bug Out procedures should be implemented. Hopefully, to safe areas
GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC!
The worst threat comes from government, the most organized criminals …
Feinstein, Schumer, Obama, Holder, Bloomberg, Cuomo, and their whole gang are tyrant wannabes. To them, anyone who does, or might, oppose their control over every aspect of our lives, is “a criminal” because they said so.
To quote a few of their heroes, with explanatory comments in ( ):
“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” – Mao
(They revere Mao and the way he ruthlessly grabbed power in China. The fact that he murdered about 100 million Chinese to do it is, to them, a “feature,” not a “bug.”)
“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves. … The only real power comes out of a long rifle. … Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach. … We don’t let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns? … The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.” — Joseph Stalin
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.” — Adolf Hitler
(These psychopathic sociopaths in our government – and THEY ARE PRECISELY THAT, never make the mistake of doubting it – believe that they are anointed to be our rulers and that we are the equivalent of Hitler’s “subject races.”)
THOSE are the reasons why, and the sort of people who want to, disarm us.
These same people through DHS and other alphabet agencies have recently purchased over 1.8 BILLION rounds of ammo – enough to shoot every man, woman, and child in the country 5 times or more – ammo that’s illegal for military use under international law. Considering that you and I and all of the other US taxpayers are paying for all of this ammo, it’s frighteningly reminiscent of the story of political prisoners’ families being forced to pay for the bullets used to execute them … isn’t it?
If we allow these leftist control freaks to ignore and ultimately gut the 2nd Amendment, history will inevitably repeat itself. These “gun control” proposals have NOTHING to do with preventing crime, but EVERYTHING to do with CONTROL.
Hitler disarmed the Jews and others, then murdered about 15 million.
Stalin disarmed the Russians, them murdered about 40 million.
Mao disarmed the Chinese peasants, then murdered nearly 100 million.
The Turks disarmed the Armenians, then murdered 1.5-2 million.
Pol Pot disarmed the Cambodians and murdered millions.
Rwanda disarmed its ethnic groups, then murdered millions.
The list goes on … about 262 MILLION people murdered BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS in the 20th century – AFTER they allowed those governments disarmed them. See: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
They ALL thought “It can’t happen here” – until they were disarmed and it started, then it was too late. Don’t make the same mistake. Don’t EVER let your government disarm you.
The Founders knew that government, if not constrained at every step, will continue to accumulate power and control until it becomes tyranny. That’s why they feared standing armies and insisted that the “right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
“Never forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t let him do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.” – Aaron Zelmanm
Carl,
A most excellent post filled with historical data. A most excellent and useful (for others who feel helpless to help others see what is happening NOW) link to the Hawaii.edu site.
Mahalo!
Yeah, what I’ll say to Senator Frankenstein and the commie beast in our White House when they tell me to turn my guns in is, “BUCK OFAMA!”
I am called a nut case every day for trying to convince the people I know personally about whats going on. To them every article I read is false,every picture is altered with Photoshop etc. Not one of the people I once thought were very intelligent will do any research or admit something is going on!
How can you wake people up about this lying,monster and his thugs in the WH ???
JoAnn523: You have a lot of patience! You’re working against the tide, my friend. Tell the losers that you’re trying to convince to go get lost; separate yourself from them, whoever they are. Relatives, friends, whatever: if they don’t want to listen to reason. Educate yourself, protect yourself, do your own research for your own good. Time is too precious to waste on those who don’t see eye to eye with you.
Most the people I know believe me and are on the same plan. But, then again I live in a red state that hasn’t been infected with the disease of liberalism. Obama is a tyrant and I ruloly believe he is sick in his mind also. That is a most dangerous combination. Scary to think he has control of our nuclear facilities. How many in our top military know what is going on is what I ask myself. If they do, why are they not doing anything.
Liberalism is a mental illness characterized by irrationality and fantasy world surrealism.
I have the same problem with friends and family. I get that backhanded French wave of dismissal yet NONE of them ever tries to verify what these Marxist Elitists tell them. After all, they saw it on NBC News. Right? And we all know NBC News is never wrong .
When the government goons are ransacking THEIR homes confiscating food and necessities in the supposed Unicorn World of their future, they’ll STILL be claiming it is all a mistake. Oh, and it is George Bush’s fault.
What I say obozo about turning in our guns is, “BUCK OFAMA!”
Correction to line above: “What I say to Obozo about turning in our guns is, “BUCK OFAMA!”
It sucks dont it joann523 people are really this dumb, or they just dont want to see it. And that makes them very dangers to our freedoms
Keep at it … But plan to be one of the survivors.
Refuse to comply with violations of your natural and Constitutional rights. Take the pledge:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/12/19/my-personal-pledge-of-resistance-against-any-attemp-to-disarm-us-by-means-of-an-assault-weapons-ban/
Those thoughts are in the heart of every God loving, America loving patriot. They don’t have to take the oath it is written in their minds and hearts and I guess always has been. I never knew how very much I loved my country til Obama got elected. John Adams said, “While I live let me have a country.”
You probably will have to use credible sources and ease up on the exaggerations. It does your cause no good to be telling half-truths and playing chicken little. Proposed gun legislation is a far cry from telling everyone to “turn in their guns” . It makes you look foolish and half witted when you believe obvious distortions. In order to be real Americans you must go by our system of government, which is representation from people voted into office. When you don’t like it you work to get your candidate elected that shares your views. Otherwise you are not an American and don’t belong here. Go elsewhere. We don’t want you. You are the problem.
mrwonderful, you are not an American and don’t belong here. Go elsewhere. We don’t want you. You are the problem.
Sorry stRanger…this country is built on brains and action,,,,diplomacy and planning….not talk talk talk making believe you are in a movie or something. You patriotism is false if your strengths go to nothing. If you use it to accomplish something…then you can call yourself a patriot. Just buying a gun and saying so does not make you a “American” as you describe. Unfortunately, all you have to do to be an American is be born here. It’s what you DO with that citizenship that is important. There are many naturalized citizens that are truer patriots than those that simply cry wolf
Here ya go big mouth. I did your homework for you. You Libs are ALL mouth and NO brain. Your Idol is a Communist and even Putin says so. Read and learn. That first link is to PRAVDA itself and the article in question is right there to read.
No doubt you’ll scoff and say something derogatory and insulting but that’s to be expected of you Libwits. The following are articles from US blog sites commenting on it. It made a BIG splash when it came out and the Media in America buried it because it called out their god and savior for who he IS.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/
http://digitaljournal.com/article/337780
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/miller/121127
http://www.examiner.com/article/blog-communists-won-with-obama-re-election
Now do your own homework from now on and try to actually THINK for a change.
” In order to be real Americans you must go by our system of government,..”
Sorry mrwonder, but our government is criminally corrupt, not to mention tyrannical.
Yeah, you are right Betta. We don’t have to obey unconstitutional law imposed on us by tyrants in our government. What I say to Obozo about turning in my guns is, “BUCK OFAMA!”
Welcome to my world! I see what’s coming but family and friends don’t want to here it. They want to live in their bubble and hope it will all go away, So I don’t talk to them about it anymore and spend my time learning things that I might need in the future and preparing as best I can.
Please hang on to the guns, cause muslims and China are going to war against us here on our american soil.Also, obama is president in another country and this is a reason to impeach him, treason
Joann: I believe the best way to convince is to have CREDIBLE evidence to present. People are naturally curious, and there is a inherent drive for survival, but some of the evidence presented by the “cause” is obviously false and inflammatory. Instead of encouraging this type of information, it should be challenge when published. People that consider themselves brave and willing to die for freedom turn into cowards when they see information they know to be false but allow it to go unchallenged for fear of being called “unAmerican or liberal or whatever name calling that is used when the witless are confused with the truth. Otherwise extremely intelligent warriors are instead working against the freedom they cherish and end up doing more harm then good. True leaders take no bull, won’t stand for it , and are not afraid to call someone on it. We must be specific and have real evidence. Must stop whining about the “media” and beat them at there own game. All the chest beating in the world is meaningless when it is for a cause perceived as “fringe” or “paranoid”. If you can’t prove it, it isnt true. Period. Im sick of these childlike fools that consider gun ownership a ticket to invisibility. Unless you have ever killed, or watched a man die, or otherwise been in a situation gone bad ending in maiming and deadly violence, then you don’t realize this is something to be avoided, not encouraged, and if your going to do it, it should be for the truth and not for made up nonsense. There is too much to fight for than to fight for overblown fantasy.
the day O’Vomit gets up and admits he is a Communist-Muslim Liberal intent on destroying America I might turn my gun in. I’M waiting———
It’ll never happen, Patriot!
He won’t do that until AFTER he’s taken everyone’s guns. That’s how tyrants work.
Don’t let them disarm you … If they succeed in that, all is lost.
guess i’m safe i don’t own assault weapons, mine are all defensive weapons
NONE of us own “assault” rifles anyway. Those ARE illegal. The US military defines an “assault rifle” as a medium caliber, fully automatic rifle with a large capacity magazine. The M-16a1 and the Russian AK-47 are assault rifles by the government’s own definition. The AR-15 is not.
Period.
Except that for their own convenience sake the Libs in Congress DECLARE it otherwise. Sorta like the “Slaughter Rule”. Remember that?
Whatever happened to “law” in this country? Did that get declared something else too?
If Obama has his way and bans guns in America we’ll all have to take a trip to Mexico to buy back the guns Holder sold (or gave) to the Drug Cartels.
Hey, Obama..Guess what? We say F U.. There is only one part of our guns you will get. It start with the lewtter B
When the hell is America going to arrest and imprison this SOB?
When a man like him has the power to commit the kind of voter fraud he did against Romney I say we are dealing with a very dangerous organization. I don’t know who is behind it,l I do know that God does though.
Despite their 501(c)3 status, this site is funded by elite republican supporters, and is not a valid news organization.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/12/21/playing-both-sides-of-the-birther-charade/185589
Well then I guess you are stuck with the New York Times, ABC, CBS,NBC, CNN, NPR, PBS, a few hundred other dailies and periodicals. They are not prostitutes for our government they are sluts that service their readers free of charge.Try PRAVDA its Russian in origin but more truth comes out of it than most of the so called mainstream media today. As they say on the Mc G. group. BYE! BYE!
You believe Pravda before American news media? Commie!!
Pravda has published several articles in recent years that blast Obama for his Communist leanings and practices and chided the American “sheeple” for meekly allowing him to proceed. PRAVDA would know who the Communist is and who isn’t. Wouldn’t you say?
The Mainstream US Media has meekly surrendered to Obama and willfully aided him in his Communist agenda.
Know the FACTS before you shoot your mouth off about who is a “commie” and who is not.
I saw a a video report yesterday about what China thinks of the usurper. They call him “monkey man” in addition to calling him a TRAITOR. They laugh at us because we let the leeches and illegals put him in office.
We see it. The Chinese even see it. The Russians see it. Many Europeans especially in Germany see it.
Obama is (politely) a Marxist.
But American Liberals FAIL to see what is OBVIOUS and some who infest THIS site attempt to lecture US about what it real Constitutional government and not. They don’t know so they make it up as they go along. If it sounds good to them it must be ok.
Apparently these Libs are Marxist themselves but have been schooled to SHUN that and similar titles and cling to “Democrat”.
Just because someone points at a black cat and calls it a white poodle don’t make it so, brother!
He’s referring to a recent article where a Russian warned us of how our country could go the way theirs did if we allow ourselves to be disarmed.
It was a good piece of advice, even from Pravda.
Yep, we can learn from the foreigners who have experienced tyranny in their own countries. They can tell when it’s happening to us better than most of the gullible, stupid American people can. We best listen to them. They know what they are talking about. They watch in dismay as too many gullible Americans allow this take-over and destruction of their God-given liberties/freedoms. They’re gonna chip at our gun rights a little at a time until they confiscate them all. Don’t let them kid you and don’t underestimate them. If we allow them to take some freedoms away every year they’ll take ‘em all away. Wake up Americans now.
Carl: Perhaps you can help. stRanger sent me four links.\, all about the same article, and although informative, it was an EDITORIAL piece and not news. A huge problem in todays media is people taking OPINION and passing it off as FACT. This dupes the less intelligent among us and creates confusion that is exploited by the libs and lefties.
(And by the way, challenging statement and asking for clarification does not make me a liberal, or Marxist, or Communist, it makes me informed and willing to look foolish to be better informed, thus being a better American. When did knowledge become considered lefty?)
If the federal government wanted to disarm America, they have the most powerful armed forces the world has ever seen. It would be messy, but definite. Most city police departments are formidable armies. Do you honestly think that, no matter how committed you are, that you would stand a chance? They don’t want to disarm Americans. They can control you by simply putting something on Fox or Rush. You lost the war before it started. We can keep our guns. We just must get the irresponsible among us either smartened up or locked up. Most are just talkers anyway. They keep talking but nothing ever gets done.
They aren’t going to nuke us. Short of that, they can’t even defeat the ataliban and al Queda … Far fewer people, less educated, not as well trained (we have LOTs of vets in this country that had training), etc.
They will count on intimidation to cow the people into submission. If the people say NO and mean it, they won’t be able to make it stick.
Our military, for the most part, won’t shoot their countrymen over illegal orders based on unconstitutional laws that most of them will disagree with.
That’s their miscalculation.
Some officers will “just follow orders,” but most won’t, and thos that do will quickly be taken out of command one way or another. Remembers “fragging” in Vietnam?
Will it be ugly? Yes, if they try to disarm the American people, it will cause a revolt.
If they get desperate and try to use UN troops (because our for the most part will refuse orders to fire on us or disarm us by force), that will seal their fate VERY quickly. Any or our troops sitting n the sidelines will come out of the dugout on the right side of the field very quickly. Those that don’t will be treatd by the patriotic ones in “an appropriate fashion.”
The question is, how many of us (and how many federal officers) are they willing to kill in order to try to disarm us? A hundred? A thousand? A hundred thousand? A million? Ten million?
The regime will, like Assad, try to fight to their last supporter. Why did we bomb Lybia, but not Syria?
It’s simple … Obama is conflicted … He wants to see Assad be overthrown by his alQueda and Muslim Brotherhood allies, but he can’t help himself but to admire Assad’s brutal dictatorial tactics.
I don’t believe for a minute that he’d hesitate to employ them here on us if he thought he coul get away with it … All that’s standing in his way is that he hasn’t been able to disarm us yet.
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
The meaning of Natural Born Citizen come from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal.
“The opposing case rests on a willfully idiosyncratic reading of an 1875 Supreme Court case called Minor v Happersett. In that ruling, the Court wrote, “…it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinct from aliens of foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve those doubts.” In other words, Minor did not settle the question of who was and was not a natural-born citizen, as the plaintiffs claim it did, it deliberately left the question open (as does the constitution, which does not define the term). The Supreme Court has held and lower courts affirmed that natural-born citizen refers to anyone born in the United States.”—the Economist Magazine.
Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”
Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. ”
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”
Paige v. Obama et al. (Vermont 2012) ruling: “While the court has no doubt at this point that Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations was a work of significant value to the founding fathers, the court does not conclude that his phrase–”The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”–has constitutional significance or that his use of “parents” in the plural has particular significance. This far, no judicial decision has adopted such logic in connection with this or any related issues. In fact, the most comprehensive decision on the topic, Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana, examines the historical basis of the use of the phrase, including the English common law in effect at the time of independence, and concludes that the expression “natural born Citizen” is not dependent on the nationality of the parents but reflects the status of a person born into citizenship instead of having citizenship subsequently bestowed. The distinction is eminently logical.”
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: “The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case.”
And by the way, not a single court has ruled for the two-parent theory, and not a single member of the US Electoral College changed her or his vote from Obama to McCain in the 2008 election or from Obama to Romney in the 2012 election out of the nutty idea that Obama was born in a foreign country or the birther legal theory that two US citizens are required to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Are you kidding me???? Really???? You’ve got the nerve to link mediamatters. A George Soros baby. How narrow minded are you?
I’m wondering, if he can order to have a National Background Check on anyone purchasing a gun, how about a Background Check on President of United States. (twice)
Another thin, I read on one of these alerts where what he has in mind for guns is to take them ALL from Americans and then mover his Brotherhood Army into America to take it over, if you notice that’s the first thing on his agenda, with the sending 20 of our best fighter planes and 200 of our tanks to our Brotherhood Eneny in Egypt, he’s going right down the list he has to get rid of us and change America???
How much do these planes and tanks cost you taxpayers? Somebody better impeach him in a hurry, I’m akso anxious to see what this court order will encure as to how many of these sneaky, in the basement in the dark at night, that he has written up I’m unbeknown to us that will bring harm to us all. I think/hope that finally some of the Congress and Judges are finally waking up, just look how he STOLE the election, I’m tired of hearing “he won the election” on the news, all of them are afraid of the word “stole”. I sure hope they get him out of there quick for our safety!
Anyone with sense knows he stole it and I think it was with computer fraud. The night of the election Mitt was ahead in Virginia and North Carolina and numbers started coming in from somewhere. Suffolk pollling pulled out of Florida, North Carolina and Virginia because they said Romney was so far ahead he had those states easily. I hope and pray everyone involved in his vote fraud scheme goes to prison. We need to stand united, divided we fall, united we stand.
Muslim Brotherhood is already here. They in the Department of Homeland Security with security clearances.
Who?
dont care what !!!! it aint gona happen if we stick together. You better hear me . Win or Lose, the time to fight back is here !!!!!!!!! We have no choice, we must win!!! We need everyone, NOW !!!!!!!
I think you will find many Americans are patriots. They are the quiet majority, they are in a sit and wait position right now. Probably, to see what the dictator tries to do about gun control.
“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” –Ben Franklin, At the signing of the Declaration of Independence
He is so afraid someone is going to get him that is why he is out of control. There really cannot be any other reason unless he is scared of the thing he is married to!!!
“He is so afraid someone is going to get him that is why he is out of control.”
This is exactly how satan works. He knows what his end will be and that it IS coming. That is why he is very active right now. Like father, like son.
Want our guns? COME AND GET ‘EM!
However, I have faith the American People will let this go down. Oh, and after the swelling goes down, all who supported this tyrannical illegal alien regime gets to stand in front of the firing squad for their treason.
I really fear it is about to get REAL UGLY! pray for sanity folks and no matter what do NOT give up your right to protect yourself. If you have any doubt take a trip to the poor side of what ever town you live in and ask, ‘what will happen here” when all this hits the fan. many of the unemployed drug addled criminals will have no where to go but to OUR homes. Pray like you never prayed before for this all to stop. can you all not see the train wreck about to happen?
THAT MISERABLE POS GARBAGE CAN GO TO HELL!!!
With gasoline drawers on!
We have history telling us what happens when citizens of a country hand over their weapens to their gov’t. Hundred’s of millions have been murdered by their gov’t. China..Russia..Cuba..etc.Apparently the idea is acceptable to the obama team as longtime mentor and friend Bill Ayers of Obama stated in an interview’ after communism is ushered in America, their will be a need to eliminate at least 23 millions americans as they will refuse communism and all others can be re-educated. I had heard of this but really didn’t beleive it until i heard Ayers myself make this statement. He hasn’t changed his mind.Guns are not about hunting or even personal protection but about defending their country from tyranny. Don’t americans understand when the constitution is replaced..it will be replaced with dreadful new laws that oppress and impoverish?!
stRanger; Do you have a link to those Pravda articles? Thanks!
First step is bag the large magazines. Then use the government large magazines to grab the small magazines. Then he grabs the magazines and newspapers. Well he already bagged those!
buy plenty of armor piercing rounds,because when they come ,(and they will), they will be wearing kevlar. Sometimes the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.That day is almost upon us. Everyone needs to choose which side you are on,before the sh*t hits the fan.
Most rifle rounds will penetrate Kevlar body armor like the cops and swat teams use. To stop rifle rounds, it takes steel or ceramic plates in the Kevlar vest (and that’s not 100%, depending on range, caliber, and bullet design). Additionally, there is generally a fairly large gap on the sides from the underarm area down to the hips that neither plates or Kevlar really cover.
Of course, vests provide no head protection or protection to the pelvic area.
Just because an opponent has a best doesn’t make him invincible by any stretch of the imagination.
When is this armed revolt going to happen? And why? Obama is lame duck. Do you honestly think the President of the United States will try to turn this country into some kind of dictatorship? He wouldn’t get past the planning stage. And he is our President and has given NO credible indication that this will happen. This is the imagination of childlike men that dream and talk (and talk and talk) of a revolution that won’t happen…Where were you when the Patriot Act came to be? Bush’s assault on our freedoms in the name of terrorism is FAR more intrusive than anything Obama has done…not in your fantasy maybes…what he has actually done. There is so many problems that can be resolved in this country. Why make stuff up? Especially stuff you do nothing about? Talk talk talk
Obama has been arming our enemies and trying to collapse our economy with his bad policies. No president in history has been as bad as obama. He is a Muslim a Marxist and he is guilty of treason.
“Do you honestly think the President of the United States will try to turn this country into some kind of dictatorship?”
Have you been sleeping and do not see (or refuse to see) what is happening?
The Framers of the US Constitution deliberately used the term “natural born” to insulate the nation against foreign influence.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Claus 2:
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 3, Clause 3:
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a CITIZEN of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Therefore, during the Founding of our United States of America nation, the original CITIZENS created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President by only being a CITIZEN. Their future generations of people would be the NATURAL BORN CITIZENS who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.
Subsequently, a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. CITIZEN) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. CITIZENS or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. CITIZEN to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
All US presidents not grandfathered at the time of the implementation of the US Constitution were NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, except Chester A. Arthur and Barry Soetoro (alias Barack Hussein Obama II).
Barry Soetoro does not meet the US Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 requirement of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN because he only has one CITIZEN parent, provided that he was born in the United States of America. Barry Soetoro has been usurping the office of the president of the United States of America since January 20, 2009. Barry Soetoro is an impostor and in violation of the US Constitution, Article II.
When the Patriot Act came about it was geared towards terrorists already in the country. Obama has expanded on it so much that it’s not recognizable as the original bill.
They are already proposing to repeal the term limit of 2 terms … The bill has already Bremen introduced.
Additionally, with the executive orders that are in place, Obama can declare a “state of emergency,” suspend the Constitution, suspend elections, and place the FEMA shadow government in charge (under his command, of course).
Where have yiu been while the foundations of is dictatorship were put into place?
Don’t take my word for it … It’s all there in plain sight on the Internet. All you hp have to do is search, read, and weep.
Of course, it only works if we allow it.
I can’t find any thing showing any introdustion of a bill to allow the President additional terms. There is an article written in Breman, Germany about term limits in other countries, but nothing here. Not in the Congressional Record either, that I could find. Where did you get this info? And how is Obama any different from any other president declaring a “state of emergency?” Did something change? When and how? I think this is important info that should be shared, don’t you? Please direct us to this info. We need to know this
http://utahpolicy.com/view/full_story/21331177/article-Proposal-in-Congress-to-Repeal-the-22nd-Amendment?instance=today_home_policy
Carl: Where can I find these Pravda articles of warning that you speak of?
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/
Did you see the word OPINION? Thats not news….any others, or is that it. That is no different than a letter to the editor. Please help. I want to know this stuff…
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
Guess I”ll be a criminal because I will not be signing any national registry. I know that Marxist trick. The government just wants to know where the guns are before they come and confiscate them. Obama is working for the one world government guys. He is evil. When will congress act to remove him? It stuns me how they keep watching obama go against the Constitution and no one files for impeachment. You or I pull the same stuff at work and we would be in prison.
When the really bad …. hits the fan because of this it would be well to remember who caused it. The Vermont State Legislator has a great idea: tax anyone without a gun $500 to pay for their extra police protection for not being able to defend themselves. So what happens to all the guns that are, in effect, confiscated. Is Obama going to donate them the the Muslim Brotherhood? I mean, he did actually just give them some jet fighters they can shoot at us with.
American ingenuity will persevere. New guns and weapons that don’t use powder will soon be available. It is time for space age weaponry to come to the hands of the public anyway. Electronic solenoid pneumatic BB and ball bearing projectiles will be first. Just my theory but then I am one of the few people on the planet that actually knows what I am talking about. Reality not mythological beings will save us. We must do it ourselves.
Then the Liberals will have a fit and declare them “assault BBs”. You can depend on it.
It will take a cold day in hell to get me to turn over my guns! Forget it Obama…it just ain’t going to happen!!!
I saw a movie once where ony the military and the police had guns … What was the name of that film. Oh, yea SCHLINDLER’S LIST.
If you haven’t seen it WATCH IT!
The thing about Germany during WW2 was that they were going after a particular segment (reletively small segment) of society (Jews Homos etc,) . What you are implying is the takeover of the ENTIRE nation….correct?
Something very instructive just happened in Germany. According to The
Washington Post (1/19/13), they are now taking the equivalent of their
4473 forms and implementing “a vast registry that details every legal gun
owner in the country, along with information about all of their firearms.”
Says the Post: “Now, law enforcement officials can sit down at their
computers and scroll through lists of owners and their guns in seconds.”
For reasons like this, Gun Owners of America says that “universal
background checks” in this country are the most insidious aspect of Barack
Obama’s gun control initiatives.
After all, we know that gun confiscation is the ultimate endgame for many
of the gun grabbers on the Left. Consider just a few, recent well-known
cases:
* “Confiscation could be an option,” de_clared New York Governor Andrew
Cuomo in a radio interview (December 27, 2012).
* “We cannot have big guns out here,” said Iowa Rep. Dan Muhlbauer. “Even
if you have them, I think we need to start taking them.” (Interview with
the Iowa Daily Times Herald, December 19, 2012.)
* “No one is allowed to be armed. We’re going to take all the guns,” said
P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of the New Orleans police, right
before several law-enforcement agencies began confiscating the firearms of
lawful gun owners in the wake of Hurricane Katrina (2005).
The task of confiscating guns is much easier when the government has a
registration list. And that is the number one reason gun owners should
oppose background checks, because they give federal bureaucrats the
framework for a national registration system.
If Obama gets his way, we will be much further down road to giving the
Andrew Cuomos of the world the registration lists they need.
Some liberal gun-grabbers are trying to paint it as “non-controversial.”
But this hideous provision requiring every American to get the permission
of the government before exercising their Second Amendment rights must be
stopped.
Excellent point. A list is not necessary and could lead to just what you are talking about. Responsible legislation is one thing, but this goes nowhere good.
The hacking group Anonymous have declared war on injustice today by launching their “Operation Last Resort” starting with taking over the United States Sentencing Commission website.
They threaten that they will use what they have found via infiltration of various government systems and state “We demand the government does not make the mistake of hoping that time will dampen its ringing, that they can ride out this wave of determination, that business as usual can continue after a sufficient period of lip-service and back-patting. Not this time. This time there will be change, or there will be chaos…
”
http://www.therealconspiracyforum.com/index.php?/topic/99-anonymous-hack-the-united-states-sentencing-commission-website/#entry706
The Feinstein/Holder/Bloomberg/Cuomo gun ban nuts are dishonoring their Oath of Office..
“to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC”.
They are in gross violation of our Constitution. They must be stopped.
The second Amendment is not about sport-hunting but:
1) A counter balance against possible authoritarian tyranny.
2) Self defense-protection of one’s life and property, a natural unalienable birth right.
3) It’s about the our constitutional rule of law, and nothing less, period!
Get off the couch folks, call, write and email you congressman Asap.
Easy one step to do this, goto:
http://www.popvox.com or http://www.congress.org/news
I think the people are really getting sick of this FRAUDGENT Marxist spewing out orders.
Barack, you are asking for the guns to be turned in, We are going to do that , were going to turn them in facing you.O and don’t forget your backers ,we can have a real going out party.You can even bring your Cocaine pipe.
WE DEMAND THAT.Sound familiar.
Go jump back into the pile of scum you came out of. WE are Sick of the both of you ,Michelle is a disgrace as a first lady, her educate along with yours are ATROCIOUS.
Never been so embarrassed to have the likes of you in OUR HOUSE in DC.
When did he order guns to be turned in?
Barack ,I think you and michell would fare better giveing orders fron the top of a tree house in kENYA.
stRanger: Thanks for taking the time to provide me with the Pravda links I requested. Despite your name calling and mis characterization of me, I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, all the links were about the same article, quoting Xavier Lerma. Although printed by Pravda, it was an editorial, not a news article, stating Lermas OPINION, not a factual real news piece. If the New York Times publishes a piece by Glenn Beck it does not make the NYT a right wing paper or GB a liberal. This is the problem. OPINION is not news. Fox news started this nonsense by passing off opinion as fact based news. Editorial pages are purposely placed separate from the rest of real news in credible publications. Although informative, the Lerma piece taken as hard news distorts Pravda, Lerma as a journalist, and the reader. Im sure Lerma did not want his article presented as a news piece if it is an editorial piece. Again, thanks but I got just what I thought I would get, confusion and propaganda. Your doing a disservice by passing things like this off. You seem intelligent, too bad your confused as to what is fact and what is opinion. Hope I helped.
The LEFT lives on “editorials” and you are a bomb thrower from the Left. There is little else in Leftist “News” from the alphabet news services but completely slanted “reporting”.
To damn the PRAVDA article as editorial and not news shows you up for who you are. A slanted, biased Leftist. You lecture JoAnn about getting the real story then dismiss a column from the former voice of Soviet Communism as unimportant.
Your Leftist bent is obvious despite your claim that you didn’t vote for Obama. Get real and act as who you really are. I’m not buying your BS.
I didnt say unimportant, I said it’s opinion. If I state here that Dan Quayle acted like he was working for the Russians, thats my opinion. Im not knocking the article, Im saying it’s disingenuous to pass it off as fact. And Im no lib…Ive been a registered Republican for 47 years and a member of the NRA since my father got me a membership when I was 18. Name calling shows your confused or just lazy. I am concerned that all the work that has been done for the conservative movement has been taken apart and become less than legitimate by the recent direction the party has been going in. It has been taken over by those that consider knowledge to be elitist. You know who else does that? Segments of the negro community.
THE RACE CARD? YOU PLAYED THE RACE CARD? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Seeker of truth? YOU? BWAAAA-HAAAAA-HAAAAA-HAAAAA. You outed yourself.
Let me tell you something Jackazz, whenever anything remotely racist crosses my in-box it gets deleted. I think racism is despicable and I think every Leftist Troll such as yourself who employs it in any way is just as despicable.
If you aren’t a Leftist Troll then your a DHS puke or something of that nature looking to dig dirt. Get this, clown. I believe the American people are being shoved into cages and it is pukes like YOU doing the pushing. You trash the Constitution and try to sell Leftist Dogma in its place. Well, pull your head out of that Leftist Dogma Chute that it’s stuck in now and realize this, it is YOU who are rebelling against the Established Law of this nation not any of US.
GET LOST TROLL. I will not honor any of your tripe by responding to it any more.
How is that a race card? You are right. Trying to discuss frankly with you has resulted in name calling and anger. Im no troll. Was told by a friend there was some smart posting on here and I would get some constructive response to the difficult questions. But the inability to think beyond your beliefs have doomed you to self imposed paranoia and self serving anger. Make up boogey men and you can blame all your shortcoming on someone else. I wont waste either of our time here sir.Thanks for nothing.
dfinch: Please help. What expansion on the Patriot Act has Obama accomplished. I am misinformed on this and want to know exactly what parts he has modified. Thanks!
Wow…Some great posts by informed people. A rarity I must say. Just wanted to ask if any of you saw the movie 2016 Obama’s America? I came away sure of one thing. He’s a Marxist.
THIS REINCARNATED HITLER STRETCHES HIS ARM, POINTS AND THINKS HE’S SCARING AMERICANS. I EXPECT ANYTIME TO HEAR HIM YELL, “HAIL (HEIL), HITLER!!! THIS COMMUNIST, MARXIST, NAZI, RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST, TYRANT, DICTATOR IS SO CRAZY AND MIXED UP IN HIS BRAINLESS THINKING THAT HE USES THE WORST PARTS OF EACH CONTROLLING, MURDEROUS, SYSTEM AND THINKS AMERICANS ARE GOING TO LIE DOWN AND LET HIM TAKEOVER!!!!!! HE’S A NARCISSISTIC PSYCHO-PATH AND SHOULD BE MORE CLOSELY SCRUTINIZED THAN ANY OF THE SO-CALLED “MENTAL CASES” AND THEIR GUNS AND GUN RIGHTS. IN FACT, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHO HE IS AND WHAT KIND OF CRIMINAL RECORD THAT HE HAS. WE ONLY KNOW THAT HE IS NOT WHO HE SAYS HE IS ILLEGAL AND HAS MANY ALIAS. NO ONE SHOULD TURN THEIR GUNS IN AND GIVE HIM POWER TO PRACTICE HIS NAZISM WITHOUT A FIGHT FOR THE 2ND AMENDMENT. HE IS DEAD SET ON ABOLISHING THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND BECOMING A DICTATOR. HE KNOWS AMERICANS WILL NOT LET HIM TAKE OVER AS LONG AS THEY CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES. THEY ARE ALSO TRYING TO BUY UP ALL THE AMMUNITION AND NO ONE CAN USE THEIR GUNS. THEY ARE TRYING EVERY TRICK THEY CAN THINK OF TO TAKE AMERICA DOWN. IF AMERICANS DON’T START STANDING UP AND TAKE AMERICA BACK, THEY WILL SUCCEED. AMERICA IS IN TROUBLE AND THE THEIVES IN CONGRESS WON’T HELP, THEY JUST KEEP FILLING THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS AND THE HELL WITH EVERYONE ELSE. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
The explanation of failing E-Verify. When your SS number has been published it is normal to cancel it and get a new one. So, when the check was made on E-Verify they checked Obama’s old SS number, the one that had been cancelled. And that number did not exist, duh, because it had been cancelled, and so it failed.
Its difficult to imagine that someone could be more disappointed than me about the results of this past Presidential election. I believe as a voter and many fellow voters were defrauded by well orchestrated ballot stuffing and intimidation tactics designed to re-elect not a President but a little dictator.
Would you like to do something constructive? Perhaps you do not own a gun. You have never fired a gun in your life. You hate guns! No problem don’t own them. However you have some concerns that someday for your own protection you might change your mind, not because you want to but because for circumstances beyond your control you need to. Perhaps your neighbor or even a stranger who does own guns could come to your defense, or the defense of your loved ones while be attacked even before the police arrivied. Join the NRA. Unlike the politicians the NRA will use all of its considerable resources
to protect your right of self defense under the 2nd ammendment of our Constitution. They are single minded in the defense of that liberty. You can join on line for $10.00!!! For that price you will have membership but no magazine subscription. I do not work for the NRA and I receive nothing from them other than the blessing of knowing my membership stands in defense of everyones freedom.
It simply is NOT going to happen Obama! Get that straight! We will do whatever we have to do to retain and protect our 2nd. Amendment, regardless what you nor anyone else in DC thinks.
We are WELL prepared to fight whatever troops you try to send. This is a no win game for you.
How are you going to explan to the UN and China why all their troops are laying in YOUR FEMA coffins?
This is no longer Waco or Ruby Ridge. Keep in mind just how many Combat Veterans took the Oath that YOU are supposed to uphold! Since you refuse, WE WILL. 315 MILLION KNOWN GUNS (Very conservative number) in the hands of law abiding Patriots willingto once again place our lives in harms way to fight for our Freedoms, Flag, Country and Constitution!!!
No one will take those away from us, EVER.