I believe that the majority might well have been. At the same time, I also believe that many gays and lesbians were molested at a very young age by other gays and lesbians.
If a person believes in predestination, then they would most likely believe that they are born that way. I firmly believe that gays are born that way.
Also, while I don’t condone their actions, neither do purposely attack them for their beliefs. Where I do disagree with them and where I do speak against them them is where they try and their cause a public rights issue, forcing themselves upon others and society. If they want to be like that, it is their business. Just don’t expect me or others to openly tolerate or allow it.
I can speak from personal experience of being married to a *closet* homosexual for nearly 14 years. I had no clue until the last couple years, but I knew something was terrible wrong. The worst thing that gives gays their bad name and image is the way they take advantage of straight people. They prey on them for many reasons, including sex. I was preyed upon as a man in order to make my wife at the time appear to be normal. She wanted the appearance of being normal and married but having the thoughts and lifestyle of being gay. So, I was used and in the process abused. My gullibility was I had no idea people would use other people in such a way. I ended up stuck in a sexless marriage for years never understanding what the problem was, except for her telling me it was my fault. I can now see where many people would take out physical revenge against such people for such low down deceiving things as as what was done to me. I can now understand the hatred towards gays even though I don’t personally hate them for what they do. I hate their sins and evil and the damage it causes innocent people.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
We are all born with sinful lusts and desires but that does not give us license to act them out! We are supposed to resist them. One is not a liar until one lies; nor a thief until one steals; nor a homosexual until one rejects one’s own God-given sexuality to indulge in forbidden lustful compulsions. I think it’s a deviation just like any other and should be treated as such.
I more or less agree with you. Let me state my meaning. I can only speak to the male side here, being a guy. I don’t know if this applies to women or not. We are born male and screw around for 10 or 12 years with no concept or thoughts of or about sex at all (beyond the eventual “Mom (or Dad), where do babies come from?”) Our play will sometimes involve innoucent brief acts that we mean nothing by but the “experts” see pro or anti gay meaning in dependant on their personal beliefs. We don’t know or care! We’re just playing! Sometime around the ages of about 11 to 13 or so, we begin to feel different things physically and mentally. We have new questions. In our play we feel what in lower animals is called dominance display. There is no sexual content to that in animals lower on the scale than people. But about this same time we are feeling the first connections, physically and mentally, of sexual arousal. The natural progression of these states might be interupted, at this time, by a genuine sexual experience from someone older and already misdirected in their lusts. The experience doesn’t have to be a pure sex act and the older age doesn’t have to be 10 or more years. At this time of our lives we no nothing of love other than that which we feel for family. Our arousal stirings are pure lust. Taken at this time for the sexual information that the misdirected sexual experience delivers and then reinforced by further similar acts, the sexual “identity” of the still physically and emotionally forming pre or early teen is misdirected in many, if not most, cases to a homoerotic lust. I have no absolute proof of this and only offer it as a possible cause. Indeed, no one today can say with anything approaching certainty how this comes about. I can only say that It does not happen in nature and, in fact, will cause great violence if any effort of that type is presented. The equipment involved is not naturally suited to the “task at hand”. And the purpose of sex was purely reproductive. WE turned it into a recreational source.
I guess that means they just got sucked into it.
I only know of 2 births that really matter IF you want to live for eternity. The first birth is physical/Flesh born in SIN and the second birth is Spiritual / Immortal. As any one can see we ALL are born in the Fleshy body corrupt & dying the moment we are born.Some where through life’s journey we have a Choice to be born again (Second) Spiritual (GOD in us) and in the future Kingdom of GOD we can be born with a Spiritual Immortal body. The Homosexuals are fooling themselves with (Satan whispering in their Itching ears) that they were born Homosexuals, It is simple we ALL are born under /into SIN so they are correct they are born into SIN as Homosexuality. If they are not concerned about living for Eternity then continue in their Homosexual SIN and enjoy and be Happy in this life since this is the only one for them.
How can homosexuals even use the word GAY to describe them ? They are mostly miserable . Why did God totally destroy Sodom & Gomorrah ? They want total acceptance but will never get it. Next the man/boy sex will want equel rights. Don’t they understand ;They are SICK.
GOD has given them over to a Reprobate Mind , Romans 1 : 28 the whole chapter explains.
a depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person:
a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.
morally depraved; unprincipled; bad.
rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.
to disapprove, condemn, or censure.
(of God) to reject (a person), as for sin; exclude from the number of the elect or from salvation.
When you analyze the hormones and chemical balances that make us males or females, and the myriads of possibilities that could alter that hormonal balance during the fetal growth, it is quite possible that gays and lesbians when born, already have that propensity to act against their nature.
If we see now, that many mental illnesses are produced by chemical imbalances in the brain, and today our societies do not treat these human beings as being pocessed by the devil and burn them at the stake, we might start acting with respect and understanding towards those who are born homosexuals. I do not believe that by choice, a person would chose a life style that through the centuries has caused them so much pain, alienation, rejection and discrimination.
Francisco, I agree with you 100%. I have a grand child who, from the age of two rejected everything feminine. This person is transgendered. Transgenders live in fear of pain , alienation, rejection and discrimination just like gays. This child was raised as a female, but rejected his femininity even more as he approached his teens. It became more and more clear that this was not just some aberrant behavior, it was deep seated and nothing was going to change it. He even went through several years of psychological therapy. There are genetic reasons now known for this, while it is still not fully understood. However, a lot of the medical community refuse to recognize and deal with it. He’s been through a lot, but graduated with honors, and is in college, has a lot of friends, and is well liked. I still live in fear that someone who is vehemently against this, will harm him.
actually I DO believe mental illness is linked to being possessed by devils… my ex-husband is bipolar and borderline personality disordered… and there is no doubt in my mind he is possessed by devils. however, Jesus did not advocate “burning them at the stake” in the bible, he sent the devils out of the “sick” man into the herd of swine (at their request)…
But I believe the attitude people have toward this subject should be re-evaluated. It is against God’s will to ACT on homosexuality, he made us male and female for a reason. The bible says it is an abomination for a male to lay with a male, and it is confusion for a female to lay with a female. BUT, condemning people because of how they feel vs. condemning people for their actions should be 2 different things.
There ARE many people who are born with homosexual tendencies but don’t ACT on them, and go on to live a heterosexual life. Case in point, ME. So I propose these questions, what IF, reincarnation is true? You know, it was common knowledge up until facts were removed from scriptures and the “good book” so many people thump as they condemn you for your sins, was purposely corrupted and is missing many important pieces of information thanks to Emporer Constantine.
What IF, after living a life or several lives as a female, you are reincarnated as a male? Would you be predisposed to be born with female tendencies? And if you are born with homosexual tendendies, why not admit them for what they are but live your life as your physical body was created? Or why not take the opportunity to live a celibate life dedicated to Him instead of acting on those feelings which are against His will?
The perversion of homosexuality is what Satan has made it in this world, to act it out and shove it in everyone’s face and try to make it seem as if it just as normal as heterosexual living… to make homosexuals feel rejected and targeted and to cause them to rebel and act out against this in return… to try to force being accepted and then on top of this wanting what hetersexual couples have, children. Truly only one male and one female can make a child. And those two people are that child’s parents. Regardless of what arrangements are made, two males or two females can never ever produce a child that has both of their DNA without an outside “third party.”
But both sides of the argument are playing into Satan’s plan… those who condemn and those who act on it…
I ask everyone in reference to:
“If we see now, that many mental illnesses are produced by chemical imbalances in the brain, and today our societies do not treat these human beings as being pocessed by the devil and burn them at the stake, we might start acting with respect and understanding towards those who are born homosexuals.”
Does that mean evil and sin are the results of chemical imbalances in the brain and body?
Does this mean if no one had chemical imbalances in their brain, that everyone would do good and not sin?
Or maybe there is a reverse reason for the above? Maybe it is because of evil and sin that people has chemical imbalances in their brains and bodies?
Whichever the case one chooses to believe, I know this; We have no choice but to live in a world of all types of people, regardless to any imbalances of any type. And we have to experience the results of their imbalances, even being its’ victims many times. From this standpoint I suggest this, that we always punish the transgressor REGARDLESS of their imbalances BECAUSE they were allowed to roam free among us and have equal rights to begin with. If a person claims equal rights and is free to mix among, then they liable for any wrongs they commit REGARDLESS to ANY excuses…. For they were free to commit such.. And freedom is by NO means free. Freedom REQUIRES and DEMANDS RESPONSIBILITY for one’s actions. This is true in order that everyone be allowed the freedoms to experience self-determination for themselves, living free from government interference into their lives.
It is true that some people feel attraction to members of the same sex from birth. Looking at other sins though, you will see that people also have feelings that make them want to murder, rape, do drugs, etc. It is more important what we do than how what feelings we have when we are born. We as Heavenly Fathers children have the capacity to control our impulses. That is the true test, will a person surrender to the flesh and let flesh control them? Or be the master of their bodies.
There are a lot of programs and support for those with feelings of attraction to the same sex that will help them to be obedient to Heavenly Father’s commandments and I urge anyone that needs that help and support to seek out that help.
Yep, I believe queers are diseased. I am a zoologist and I am certain that queers have a genetic determination of their sick depravity. Being molested in childhood is just because they inherited the disease which runs in their family so there are queers around to molest them and queers love to molest children most. It is genetic so every child who is molested does not become a queer. Because queers have a psychiatric disease, it is queers who molest children. That is why they should be suspect and are not to be trusted.
God, by design, has ensured that this gene pool is reduced by not allowing two males or two females to procreate – as in earthworms. But if these mentally deranged individuals (fags and lesbians) door swings both ways, the gene pool is endangered.
As far as I am concerned, they were born with the sex they have. Their biggest problem is that they lie, not only to the whole world, but to themselves, claiming that they were “born in the wrong body”. And it gets worse: They meet a normal person of their own sex and go as far out as possible, including sex change operations, to make everyone believe that they are the opposite sex than which they were born. Then, to top it off, now it is out of the closet and they “proudly” proclaim themselves as “transexual”, as if that is a natural way of living. It is not, and it is at its base a lie.
Born gay/lesbian? No. Mentally and emotionally sick is all, coving up everything with a lie that the liberals have taken to be their platform for “change” in the USA.
Too bad the fags of the world had to ‘steal’ a perfectly good word ‘gay’ which used to be an innocent word to describe a good feeling to suit their animal-instinct ways. As long as the genitals are stimulated, nothing else matters. Thanks to the fudge-packers of the world, AIDS is God’s answer to this deviation.
I agree, using the word “gay” for their destructive lifestyle is an assault on the English language. And I don’t think they are born that way. A lot of them are most likely victims of sexual abuse from other homosexuals. I think it is a destructive, criminal act. It should not be legal at all. It is destroying our families and our nation. It is an assault on the Creator and an assault on the Temple of God — our bodies. It is inspired by Satan himself who hates God and anything he made. Since God made man and woman and marriage between one man and one woman, Satan and his agents are doing everything they can to destroy what God made.
No! I personally do not believe that any of the so called, gay/lesbian was born that way. God made all things perfect, then He gave man Choice, the ability to choose, that is when sin came into man. Look at Sodom/Gomorah, God allowed sin to run rampid, all the time sending Godly men to call for Repentence, when no one listened, God finally destroyed the sin. I have known many gay/lesbian individuals, and even had a good friend that lived in the same apt. with me, and I knew he was gay, that didn’t stop me from being friends, and I have never spoke unkindly about my friend, he just like being with other men, and used to bring a new one home with him every night it seemed, and every morning I would wake up to that supreme’s song, that had words in it like this, “Touch me in the morning”, then I would hear some Boom, boom, boom, as the bed’s frame hit the wall, and that went on until he decided to move out, which I had no problem with. But, to make a long story short, the reason I really don’t believe that gay is born in the individual, is because I have seen friends that said they were gay, then later in life they changed, plus two men together, or two women together can have a baby together, and God said that once married, then multiply, which God was meaning creating new life, not teach one to be gay.
wow thanks for the visual LOL… and I am glad you are able to befriend homosexual people. There is too much hate in this world…all in the name of God ironically…
Sexual behavior can and will be manipulated by scientific means and like the trans-sexual one day gays can revert back to heterosexuality.
I have no scientific insight in the various reasons what isn causing gay behavior.
Pedophile behavior in my opinion is caused at a young age where a child is left in the social situation where it can cultivate such fantasies while the degenerated parent(s) have no interest to set an example and is not or cannot or will not correct this behavior.
The medical world must be easily qualified to discover gay and pedophile developments in the behavior of any child and correct it at an early age.
But it will cost some more premium.
Secondly gays are part of gay rights constituting a minority right thus adding to a judicial perception of the constitution based on a notion of individual human rights instead of civil rights.
The constitution needs to be based on the perception of unambiguous civil rights protecting from the rigor of the Government instead of society atomizing individual human rights demanding more and more from the Government causing it to expand which is contra dictionary to the conservative principle of a protection of private property (means of production) and the demand for a small government derived from that principle..
In that sense I regard gays as homo politicians. Like every minority political gays are proto communists.
The perception of individual human rights opens the door to all sorts of minorities demanding all kind of special privileges which is contra dictionary to the republican principle to be governed by man made law instead of the rigor of cliques (minorities) theocratic or feudal dictatorship.
Minorities in relation to individual human rights are part of the multicultural doctrine in which everyone is a victim of the Europan enlightened man like Newton, Huygens, Spinoza, Leibnitz etc.
Thirdly there is the Christian philosophical view on gays but I don’t know much about that but only science will bring solutions and praying doesn’t help much.
My goodness, let’s call God a liar. He says it is sin and yet you by saying they are born that way you are saying God made them for this purpose? I suppose he made some people to be adulterers too or some that would like animals. Are you KIDDING!! Everything we do is a CHOICE!. As far as what we do with ourselves. Please do not let your standards…….God’s standards go and sink to this lie straight from hell. I remember asking my mom about how babies come and her telling me how it is necessary for a man and a woman to come together. I remember thinking it sounded rather horrid, but that if that is the way God wanted it to be that it was right. So I made a mental decision at that time that I would not go against God and that I would pick from the opposite sex and (therefore could have children) not taking other peoples babies and teach them to be homosexual like is being done all over America now by this adoption rule. I think that is disgusting! Don’t let your emotions undermine the word of God people. This is a evil and perverse curse on humanity. Yes Homosexuality is DEAD WRONG……and Gabe I would think you would know this.
ISEE, I am not judging, nor am I condoning, notice how this video has obviously hit a nerve based on the number of comments that have been made in a relatively short period of time. I simply tried to give my perspective in that some gay’s and some lesbian’s might have been raised by their parents to represent the child of the parents choice, who knows, we live in a very screwed up world.
It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does about Proposition 8 in California and the Defense of marriage Act that Billy Bob Clinton signed into law in 1998 and now he wants it retracted and removed from the law books.
Anyway, I hope that I did not offend gays, lesbian’s transsexuals or straights, that wa snot at all my intention when I made that video.
OH Gabe, I still love you and I like most of your videos. Hey you are cute too. Probably married
I agree, choose you this day life or death,blessings or curses. So people have a CHOICE (Sorry saying the devil made you do it) is Correct in this situation.
You’re getting free will(choice) and predestination confused.
God knows everything. He knew Job before he was born.
Accordingly God knew everything that was gonna happen to Job before he was ever born. He knew what was in Job’s heart before he was born.
God allowed Job to be born and to choose his life. Notice I said God “allowed”. God is free and Sovereign that He can take and do with Job or anyone as He sees fit. If God had wanted He could have allowed Job to die earlier or allowed Job to completely dent God. But God did not, yet He knew the outcome.
Therefore it is just as safe to say that God already knows the thoughts of each of us before we are born and He knows what our sexual thoughts are. If one is born with homosexual thoughts, then it is because God allowed them to keep their choices and thoughts, of which God had foreseen before they were born. God allows choice because He predestined His own people, knowing who would stand by him like Job had done. God allowed those to sin that had evil in their spirits before they were born, because God foresaw that also, as God knows everything. He allowed this because God is NOT a dictator but one who loves to the point of allowing humans to be themselves even if it means denying God Himself. In doing this ALL of mankind is showing who is worthy to be with God and who is determined to be with Satan.
As a Latter-day Saint (there is no “Mormon Church”), I can tell you that our doctrine has not changed, that we do not believe that homosexuals were “born that way”.
What has changed is that we now openly advocate that we Latter-day Saints be careful to be kinder to homosexuals, that we be alert to (often no more than perceived) slights and verbal abuse directed toward them.
They are, just as any of us, God’s children, our literal, albeit spiritual, brothers and sisters. They deserve that recognition.
But we do not believe, now or ever, that their actions are any less sinful than they have ever been; that their choice to engage in homosexuality will result in any blessing or other benefit from God.
They are, by reason of the choices we (them included) made before we were born, entitled to make decisions here, but that the outcome of those decisions will be judged by a just and holy God, Who, although He loves us all, cannot “look upon sin with the least degree of allowance”.
Mr. O’bama, will there ever be any Jobs?
LaSellers asking Obama where are the job’s is a total waste of time, Obama could care less, he has much bigger fish to fry, and I suspect we will soon see him, and Big Sis out there with there frying pans, as the American people are ducking for cover and trying to prevent getting rounded up by Bib Sis’s “Blue Shirts”.
“They are, by reason of the choices we (them included) made before we were born”
Where in the WORLD did you hear THAT lie? You are trying to say that before we are born, as we float in amniotic fluid attached to mom’s uterus by an umbilical cord that keeps us alive, that we have the capacity to make adult decisions for our lives. HOGWASH! That sounds like so much “new age pagan” BS. Or maybe you think before we are even conceived we’re sitting somewhere with wings on that we are making decisions about our lives for after we are born. Do you see how freaking ridiculous that sounds????
Don’t know what book you read that in, but I suggest you find something else to read. I know you didn’t read that in the Bible.
I do NOT accept that you’re “born that way” baloney. You CHOOSE to live that way. I admit that some people turn toward this lifestyle because of a parent who molested them but, it’s still a choice. I know a woman whose daughters were molested by their father, who I never met because if I did I’d take personal pride in beating the crap out of him for being that low of a life form. They now are grown adults and one has taken the look of a man full on while her sister still looks like a woman but, with both of them, you can see the damage that was done. Still, with the terrible things I can only imagine that happened to them they both made a choice. They didn’t choose for what happened to them as children but, they sure did make a choice how they are as adults. No one wins in this scenario.
I know first hand that is NOT true because I was stalked by a lesbe and she wouldn’t leave me alone and it scared me to death because I am NOT a lesbe so I had to ask her boss to leave me alone. The worse part I was fired because I complained about her stalking me.
In another case I was living in Hialeah. Fla and I walked out for some air and girl walked out of the house next door and I started to speak with her and this woman who was a lesbe walked between us so couldn’t see each other and to speak. I asked her if she would be more comfortable to speak in the house she said “yes”. We went into the house and just by the girl’s body langage that she was not lesbe but this older woman had gotten a hold of her knowing she needed to be loved because her father had raped her.
So NO not all of these lesbes and gays are NOT born this way no way no how.
I turned to this woman and told her let this young girl make her own mind and if she will decides if she wants to be with you let her come to you and don’t force her to do something she doesn’t want to do and I went home.
I also believe that many people don’t figure out or realize their homosexuality until later in life. I have also seen this happen to people. And as you said, previous experiences as a child or from family members can have an impact on what happens to them later. Not always but sometimes, as it is a part of life that affects everyone differently. It’s what you make of it. Still, I believe if one becomes homosexual, even later in life, then that trait had to have already been there. It just needed time and something to bring it to the surface to be acted upon.
Anyone who thinks that the anus is a fine place to have sex is suffering from a mental problem. The back door was not meant for sex. I work in the medical field and over the years I can attest that anal sex causes problems, even when the heterosexual do it! The bacteria in the anus causes bad infection when it is transferred elsewhere, say the lungs. Yes, e coli gets in the lungs. Also, the rectum can be torn, leading to having to have surgery to repair it. Gay sex is not what God intended for us. I just wish people would start requiring more of themselves so they can have a better life, not a worse one.
The so-called, human reflexes are present in all normal babies. An experienced physician can swiftly explain this normality. All other behaviors are acquired, or learned. Homosexuality is a complex system of beliefs that are acted out in behavior, and are acquired or learned between birth and one year post puberty. Numerous books are available on the subject. There is nothing associated with homosexual behavior that is described by the word, “gay“. Persons who claim to be homosexual are the opposite of “gay.“ Their depression is a uniting commonality. Hypnotherapy by older psychologists has assisted many to normal heterosexuality.
One major, socially destructive influence among humans is the society of pedophiles. This organized society of older males preys on younger boys. The investigation at Penn State was carefully restricted to that local area, ended prematurely, one scape-goat prosecuted, and subsequently hushed-up. Bigtime. Having been in progress for over twenty years in the Penn State area, that Jerry Sandusky was the only pedophile brought to justice suggests that outside influence prevailed. While guilty, he was nevertheless scapegoated. The investigation that led to the book, “The Franklin Cover-Up, Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska,” by John W. DeCamp, provides an excellent overview of child abuse and pedophilia at the national and international levels. The headline of The Washington Times, June 29, 1989, “Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush,” surprised many people. Traced to the White House and political circles in Europe, the pedophile organization is world-wide. Recent revelations incorporate the cover-up influence of the Roman Catholic pope, which is hinted to have been a factor in his February resignation.
The homosexuality issue is one of many being used by Obama and entourage to divide and confuse Americans and destroy social fabric internally. Obamacrats are using community organization across the U.S. to initiate communist-type cells that plan to steer local communities to support the N.W.O. and U.N. agendas. What have you noticed in your local area ?
Great comment, Ignition, thanks for taking the time to write all that you did! The truth is as you stated, Obama is doing what he does best, divide and conquer. What I don’t understand is how can Michelle live with him knowing that he is a homosexual? I guess living the lifestyle that he as the usurper provides to her, she will put up with anything. Question, how different is that than a common prostitute, no need for you to answer, i already know the answer to that question.
You must have missed the discussions and assertions that Michelle Obama is actually a guy?
I have some info on this if I can still find it. Or you can Google it up and find plenty of hits on it. Also the 2 girls are adopted, which has been very carefully covered up but there is much info on that also. Of course I am sure you are aware of B Obama’s association with the Chicago Gay Club?
“…discussions and assertions that Michelle Obama is actually a guy”
You know what? There IS something but I just can’t put my finger on it. Ever get that feeling?
MR. ZOLNA, SOMEONE WAS ON THIS SITE 2-3 MONTHS AGO SAID THAT THEY KNEW THEM AND THAT SHE IS A TRANSSEXUAL AKA MICHAEL LAVAUGHN ROBINSON. SHE SAYS HER MAIDEN NAME IS MICHELLE ROBINSON SO, “MICHAEL ROBINSON AKA MICHELLE ROBINSON” MAKES SENSE TO ME BUT I’M NOT A JUDGE JUST GIVING MY OPINION. BUT, I DID SAY FROM THE FIRST TIME I SAW HER/HIM, THAT “IT” WAS A TRANSVESTITE BECAUSE “IT” WALKS AND ACTS (SOME FEATURES) LIKE A MAN. I THINK MOST OF THE “FEMALES”, HIS ADVISORS, ASSISTANTS, ETC. LOOK, WALK AND ACT LIKE MEN BUT DRESS LIKE FEMALES.
THE TERRORIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE BROUGHT THE WARPED MINDED CRAZE OF GAYS (TELLING AND MARRIAGE) TO A HEIGHTENED FRENZY BECAUSE THAT IS WHO HE IS AND HIS SECRET WARPED LIFESTYLE. YES, DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS THE COMMUNIST, MARXIST, NAZI, RADICAL MUSLIM REGIMES TYPE AND WAY OF THE “TAKEOVER” OF PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES. CONGRESS MUST BE RANKING HIGH IN “GAYS” TO AID AND ABET THE GAY MUSLIM TERRORIST SO FREELY AND HIGHLY!!! MUSLIMS SAY THEY HATE HOMOSEXUALS AND KILL MANY OF THEM AS THEIR SHOW OF THEIR SINCERE HATRED AND INTOLERANCE. HA!!!!!! THIS IS TRYING TO HIDE WHO THEY REALLY ARE……LIARS, IMPOSTERS AND GAYS!!! I WOULD SAY THAT FIVE OUT OF TEN PEOPLE IN BURKHAS ARE MEN, EITHER GAYS OR COWARDS!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA.
In 1945 after WWII was ended, the Dulles brothers initiated “Operation Paper Clip“ secretively. One hundred sixty one NAZI scientists were secreted into the US with falsified identification, and falsified family histories. Werner von Braun and one hundred sixty additional scientists were the original group. These scientists were taken to U.S. army and air force bases initially, later formed into a central group. This central group was formed subsequently into NASA. Operation Paper Clip ran from 1945 til 1952, secreting over 10,000 NAZI and family into the U.S.
The Dodd Report of the Reece Committee, 1954, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM) discovered that the plan of the Carnegie Endowment, Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation was to alter the government and citizenry of the USA so that it could be merged with Russia. The Guggenheim Foundation controlled scholarships of youth to enter their college programs, which would equip the graduates to steer public education in the direction of the New World Order, as mandated by the tax-exempt foundations.
Anne Dunham was paid by the Ford Foundation, as an operative of the CIA, to infiltrate local Indonesian circles in order to identify leaders who were later killed and replaced with pawns of the CIA. The same CIA, Ford Foundation and other tax-free foundations can create falsified identities for Michelle Obama, the two children purported to be daughters of Obama, and conduct Sandy Hook events in the news media without providing verifiable information. Obama´s records are sealed by court order, yet investigators of ATLAH world ministries discovered that Barrack H. Obama did not attend Columbia. He was a CIA operative in Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc, while the CIA generated evidence that he attended Columbia. Absent a verified birth certificate, there is no genuine evidence that the alias, Barrack H. Obama is the son of Anne Dunham. This information has been publicized by news media and Obama, yet remains unverified. Ghost writers of the CIA and FordFoundation could easily have written the alleged book by Obama. Two years ago, a member of the Mason society hinted to me that Obama was an extraterrestrial being. Since I am aware of verified information that extraterrestrials have lived among earthlings for thousands of years, this hint is as valid to me as any of the false media, publicized propaganda.
I believe that God created all things and He has a plan for sexual relations in the Bible that is very clear – one man and one woman for life. It is all throughout His Word. Also, what do the professionals say? Our speaker is correct about that. Our nonprofessional opinions don’t count for anything. The American Psychological Association (APA) declared in their 1998 pamphlet entitled “Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality” that “biology . . . plays a significant role in a person’s sexuality”. However, the 2008 update of this pamplet on page 2 states “Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.” I believe the reason why most people don’t have a sense of choice about their sexual orientation is that all people are made with an orientation for a heterosexual relationship as I explained in my first sentence; it’s natural so most people don’t think about it as a choice. LGBT folks, regardless of whether they consider it a choice or not, have chosen a different orientation than the natural, God-made one that is clearly stated in Romans 1.
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE TYPE “TO LIVE AND LET LIVE” IN ANY SITUATION AS LONG AS THEY AREN’T CAUSING ME PROBLEMS AND THEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. I HAD TWO “GAY” MEN (SCHOOLTEACHERS) FRIENDS (I’M FEMALE) AND LOVED THEM DEARLY AS HUMAN BEINGS. THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT THEIR LIFE STYLE AND CERTAINLY NEVER TRIED TO FORCE THEIR WAYS ON ANYONE. WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ONCE ABOUT “PEOPLE” IN TOWN AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT OUR FRIENDSHIP BECAUSE THEY WORRIED ABOUT ME AND POSSIBLE GOSSIP. THEY WERE A COUPLE AND WORRIED ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THOUGHT ABOUT ME AND I LAUGHED SAID, “I DON”T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT ME IN ANY SITUATION (THEY KNEW THAT) AND YOU TWO JUST HAVE WARPED MINDS AND THAT’S YOUR BUSINESS AS LONG AS YOU DON’T TRY TO CONVERT ME, THEN I WILL BE HISTORY”. THEY BOTH DIED ABOUT 8-10 YEARS AG0 AND I MISS THEM. ONE OF THEM WAS NOT GAY UNTIL HE WAS IN HIS 30’S AND ALWAYS LAUGHED AND SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW HOW HE GOT INVOLVED WITH HIS ONLY GAY PARTNER. HE WAS ENGAGED TO A WOMAN IN OUR TOWN WHEN HE WAS IN THE MILITARY AND WAS VERY MUCH IN LOVE WITH HER BUT SHE WAS UNFAITHFUL TO HIM (HE DIDN’T KNOW, HE WAS IN THE KOREAN WAR) AND SHE EVEN MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE. SHE FINALLY WROTE AND TOLD HIM AND IT TOTALLY DEVASTATED HIM AND HE NEVER GOT OVER HER. HE ALWAYS LAUGHED AND SAID, “ONE DAY I FOUND MYSELF WITH HIM (THEY BOTH WOULD LAUGH), THE REST IS HISTORY AND I DON’T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED. I KNEW HIM BEFORE HE BECAME GAY, WE LIVED IN THE SAME TOWN. THE PARTNER WAS ALWAYS GAY AND FROM ANOTHER COUNTY BUT WAS A TEACHER IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, ALSO. SOMETIMES I THINK GAYS ARE BORN WITH THOSE TRAITS BUT THEN I THINK OF MY FRIEND AND THINK THAT MANY COULD HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY WARPED MINDED EVIL ADULTS WHEN THEY ARE CHILDREN OR WHEN WEAK AND DISILLUSIONED BY A SITUATION AS MY FRIEND ENDURED. I DEFINITELY DON’T THINK GAYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADOPT CHILDREN TO WARP THEIR MINDS BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY WILL. THEY WILL TEACH THEM THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE “CORRECT” WAY OF LIFE.
I BEGAN TO DESPISE GAYS WHEN THEY STARTED TRYING TO PUSH THEIR “WARPED MINDED LIFESTYLE” DOWN OUR THROATS. THANK GOD MY FRIENDS DIDN’T LIVE TO SEE THESE IDIOTS AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO SOCIETY, NOW. INTELLIGENT “NORMAL” LAWMAKERS (MANY ARE GAY OR HAVE GAY FAMILY AND FRIENDS) SHOULD STOP THIS INSANITY OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE, ONCE AND FOR ALL. IF GAYS WANT TO LIVE IN A PERVERTED, WARPED MINDED LIFE STYLE THAT’S THEIR BUSINESS BUT IT IS SUCH A MOCKERY OF NORMAL SANE HUMAN BEINGS. I ALSO AGREE WITH NORMAL PEOPLE (MAN AND WOMAN) LIVING TOGETHER, MARRIED OR NOT, IF THEY WANT TO. BUT, IF THEY WANT CHILDREN, THEY SHOULD BE MARRIED BECAUSE CHILDREN SHOULD HAVE LEGITIMATE NAMES AND PRIDE IN WHO THEY ARE, IF POSSIBLE. I THANK GOD FOR MY FAMILY OF NORMAL, LOVING, HAPPY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.
Mystic11, I love how you NEVER ever hold anything back and I agree with all that you wrote towards the end of your email. If Obama were not gay, then none of this would be in the forefront and Billy Bob Clinton would never have asked to have his law repealed on marriage between a man and a women.
Hillary coming out in support of gay’s is typical for a politician that tends to blow with the wind and she herself has no moral values, if she did she would have divorced that womanizer a very long time ago.
I have the utmost respect for you Gabor Zolna. You’re such a nice man. Love you videos too…never mean- spirited.
Thanks for the nice comments, I really try to treat people the same way that i would like to be treated by them, no need to be mean. I also try to do the best that I can in making these video’s, I have no staff, just little old me and I really try to go out of my way not to offend anyone, well that;s not true, i like to offend Obama, Holder, Flake, McCain and a few other choice Senators and Representatives like Nancy “Botox” Pelosi and Diane Frankenstein. LOL!
i greatly appreciate you taking the time to write what you did, check out the video’s that I posted over the last few days on YouTube under Gabor Zolna and please do as i requested, please contact your local elected Representative and demand that they demand that Obama releases his records from Harvard and Occidental along with his passport records, if that happens this nightmare will end.
If that does not happen, i fear that America will soon be destroyed from the inside out!
Sorry,Gabor, to think that lesbians and homosexuals were born that way is to say that God makes mistakes. Man was created with a God given attraction/desire for woman. Women were created by God to be attracted to men. The fruitless search for the homosexual gene has gone on for years and years. If there was such a thing, natural selection (not to be confused with the false “science” of evolution) would have eliminated it long ago. In close to 100% of lesbians some form of abuse/trauma at the hands of a man has triggered the lesbian response, “If being female causes me this much pain then I will escape my femaleness by becoming a male.” When this false masculine identity enters the woman she unfortunately decides that is her “real” self and this new masculine identity within her is attracted to women and she acts on it, becoming a lesbian. Much of this same process works in reverse with homosexuals, though more often than with females, psychological trauma can be the root cause.
Hey, please give me some slack, I tried to be as diplomatic as possible and I stated what I did as would a politician, not being specific but being vague. Unless they are born with both a penis and a vagina, I believe that their environment determines how they end up living their lives. How does that sound?
“Women were created by God to be attracted to men.”
Woman was created by God so that the man would not be alone, as “an help meet” for man and to replenish the earth by propagating the species. This can only be done between a male and a female. It is God’s design for nature. Man has decided to go his own way and do what is contrary to nature. It is also contrary to God’s original plan for man. God tells us in Isaiah “And they hide it not.”
It is absolutely profound to see Bible truth written thousands of years ago be significant today. They’re not hiding it. They’re having parades about it! Now that is truth.
So, we should not be surprised because God has explicitly warned us in His Word the Bible about what is happening now and what is surely to come. I urge everybody to seek God while He may be found. His Word is true and Bible prophesy is, always has been, and always will be 100% spot on. No other book does that. Yet, those who have eyes to see refuse to see and run after their vanity and false gods made with hands. God’s hand is stretched out still.
I don’t believe that the LDS Church has made the statement that Gays were born that way. They love all
mankind and would like them to live the life that their Father in heaven has given them. All mankind
will be tempted to sin, the reason we are on Earth is to see if we will change our behavior and keep the
commandments that we have been given to us. The Temptations that Gays have, can be overcome. If
the desire to overcome is important enough to them. We will be judged on the choices we make in this life.
Yes perhaps each of us has a particular sin that we are more tempted with than another. In that respect,
yes we are born with some weaknesses more than others. Just as we have some worthy desires we also
have non worthy desires. So we need to evaluate ourselves and strive to overcome the unworthy temptations. Yes Homosexuality is a sin.
I am just not sure about this and i was just thinking that they may have not been born gay and they may just have gotten sucked into it ? lol
I am a conservative who has deep concerns about the direction of our country. In my opinion, Obama is the worst president in history. He has done more harm to our country than anyone could imagine. He lied his way into the white house and bought the votes to stay another four years. His post election gun control focus gives him plenty of time to force Americans into submission. One of his greatest and most effective weapons is his ‘divide and conquer strategy’. He incites hate among groups that, if focused on the real villains, could overcome his dictatorship. Instead, the dumbed-down masses buy into his strategy of ‘hate your ally’ and he laughs all the way to the oval office. I refuse to hate in the name of God. My God does not hate. There seems to be a lot of people posting to justify their hatred in the name of God. that is sad and scary to think we’re on the same side.
Wow, a lot of comments/viewpoints. I’ll probably catch a lot of flak for mine but here goes anyway. L. Ron Hubbard, in his book Dianetics: The Modern Science Of Mental Health describes the mechanism of homosexuality. It’s not genetic, or something you’re born with, but rather a mental illness brought on by an ‘ally’ computation resulting from an illness or injury.
Example: a little child, with unsympathetic parents, is ignored as it suffers with measles. A relative visits and immediately starts gushing adoringly, sympathizes, and nurses them back to health. From then on that relative will be the child’s ally, i.e. the cavalry who saved the day. The ally equates to safety, survival, love, etc. If the relative moves away, or dies, the child will make a decision of compensation or ‘adjustment.’
Adjustment: In an effort to keep the departed ally near, the child will take on the personality of the ally, they will dramatize their characteristics, mannerisms, attitudes, and personality. This explains why males act feminine, females act butch, males like males, and females like females. It’s likely that before puberty, what we call homosexuality, has already been established by events surrounding sickness/injury and assumed ally.
Proof of this is in the cure. It’s better to watch the video available online http://www.dianetics.org/#/videos/dianetics-an-introduction …Semper Fi
THE HUMAN MIND still perplex science in its complexity and endless capacity for information learned or fantasize! ~ Bottom Line: a person acts out what they THINK they are; GOD instills most of us with ….SELF CONTROL!!!
Your statements probably summed it up best of all.
We all have a choice to live as God says or not. He gives us a free will, some choose to be an Abomination in the eyes of God and others live obeying God and trying their best to get to heaven instead of hell! If God had intended men to be with men or women to be with women he wouldn’t have a Adam and Eve, he would have made a Adam and harry or a Eve and Mary! It takes something from a man and a woman to produce a child and is the way God intended it to be. No matter what Homosexuals say they can’t produce kids with their sick acts, the best most can do is give Aids to each other!
As a former Nurse, I can say, without a doubt, NO ONE IS BORN GAY. It is a definite choice. As as you mentioned, about abuse, or molestation, you are correct I could write a book about the homosexuals I have known, and the unpleasant things that happened to them during their childhood. It is a choice, just as alcoholism, or adultery. As a nurse, all of our gay patients were on anti depressants.
Scripture is clear about homosexuality. God says, it is an abomination. Why would God say this, and then make humans homosexual? Why did he make a woman for Adam, instead of an man? Why does it take a man and a woman to procreate? What is natural works. Outside of what God says about what is wrong, we can also see these things by using common sense. People want everyone else to accept what they do, so they try to rationalize it. But what is most important, is what God says. He is the one that will judge, and it is also the life to come that will be our final, eternal destination. A moment of perverse pleasure could never compare to what God has for us when we are in the eternal. Again, we have to keep repeating this, since what I have just said, is actually considered “HATE SPEECH’, LOL ….for sure on that. But these people should understand we do not hate them because they are gay, we are to love everyone, no matter, but we can NEVER condone that lifestyle, because our Lord says it is wrong, and we are to teach that it is wrong. For me, “CASE CLOSED” on that issue.
Judy, thanks for taking the time to write what you did. The problem is the way that I see it that homosexuals and lesbian’s find it easier to blame their lifestyle on God for having him make them that way, verses accepting as you stated that it is a choice that they made, be it because it was forced on them through molestation during their young and formative years.
I cannot say that I blame them for looking to blame their decision as to how they chose to live there lives on other’s verses accepting the fact that they chose to live that way. I wonder if Obama was molested by Frank Marshal Davis during Obama’s young and formative years. Talk about someone having been screwed up, at an early age, it could not be much worse for any child based on what I believe Obama went through as he was growing up.
His father if Barack Senior was his father rejected him, his mother rejected him, his step-father rejected him, then along came Frank Marshal Davis who it appears taught him all that he knows, scary thought is it not, but it sure would go a long way to explain why Obama is as screwed up as he obviously is.
What amazes me is that Michele Obama seems to be okay with knowing that Obama is bi-sexual and she seems to be okay with it. Then again, Hillary Clinton was able to turn more than one cheek remaining married to billy Bob Clinton with all of his extra marital affairs that the entire world knew about.
I guess money and power has a way of making all of those indiscretions right!
Hillery was busy having her own affair with Vince Foster and God knows who else to care what Bill what was doing. Just makes me wonder if Bill didn’t get jealous over Vince and do something rash to him because of it…. All of them are still screwed up though.
I believe some were born that way, too. But born that way means that they have been chemically imbalanced since birth. I am so tired of hearing about gays. really tired. We hear so much because they are so ingrained in the arts and in news organizations. It just gets pushed down our throats. It really is a chemical imbalance.
All of us here have expressed our beliefs and understandings as to why we think gays are gays, and how and why they are that way. Yes this gets tiring and is a never ending subject because the opposition knows it can gain power and influence by always keeping such controversies alive. Regardless to what we think and believe we do agree that it is ABNORMAL, and that it is something that should be kept private between two people. What two people does between themselves is their business as long as it is mutual. Promoting this in the public arena only serves to degenerate morality on a public scale opening up other avenues of immorality which only further serves to weaken society, eventually to the point that nihilism predominates and society ceases to function for the public good. Which in effect is saying, down with morality and law and in with any goes, anything is acceptable as long as it is voted on… Open and public acceptance of homosexuality is only a big link in the chain towards nihilism and the genocide of all of society itself….
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