Word has it that during the final days of the “fiscal cliff” fiasco, Republican House Speaker John Boehner bumped into Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in the White House lobby, and told Reid to “go f**k yourself.” But why would Reid do such a thing, Mr. Speaker? There are plenty of Americans for him to screw instead. The New Years’ Day fiscal cliff deal is all about some people screwing other people, while the problem they ostensibly set out to “solve” just gets worse.
There isn’t much “deficit reduction” in the fiscal cliff deal. The only thing that got substantially reduced is the size of the American private sector. President Obama immediately began calling for even higher taxes and more spending. America is not yet small enough for his tastes.
The Wall Street Journal published a chart of the taxes that are going up:
Note the hefty increase to capital gains and dividends, plus the increased estate tax. That all combines into a whopping incentive not to accumulate savings or make investments, especially for the substantial group of investors who would also run afoul of the higher personal income tax bracket. Instead of simplifying taxes, Congress and the President just made them more complicated, introducing yet another step to the progressive tax ladder… which accountants will now scramble to keep their half-millionaire clients from taking.
Read more at Human Events. By John Hayward.
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TaxAmericana!
We need to get them ALL OUT.
Vote in American Mothers…. those who handle the finances for their family.
They don’t need a law degree….that’s the LAST thing they need.
Just Plain Talk…….
Sorry kiddies, have to eat at home this week….and, oh….. no new DvD either.
Mommy has a purse problem!
How hard is that?
The YO YOs in Wash are all in it together…. $$$ for them to play with or control you….and …. screw you!
Like asking the fox to come up with a low-cal nutritional menu of hens.
Easy Ranger…………
You missed the first part….. about VOTING them all out!
I’m sure that ANY mom on a fixed budget can do better.
One of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto is a “Progressive Structure”.
Does that tell ya’ll nincompoops anything?
Ya’ll so darn ignorant, I don’t see how you live through the day!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
That should be, “a Progressive Tax Structure”.
Well ok….
How about this
Bottom 99% = 99.99999999 %
Top 1 % = 99.9999999999999 %
@my911
So how do rectify that?
A progressive tax rate?
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Mike ….. Easy…. you make it a FLAT tax
…..read on…………..
We now have 3 main classes in America
1. Political Class…they sit on their ass and dream up ways to take more tax $$$
2. Entitlement Class …. They sit on their ass and collect whatever crumbs the Political Class throws to them
3. Taxpayer Class….. They work to produce the wealth needed to support all three classes
The 1st two classes are about 66% of our population…meaning….
The taxpayer has to support at least 3 people… himself and others from the 1st two classes.
The Political Class places higher and higher tax rates onto the backs to the Taxpayers.
Soon it will be 100% Tax Rate, and America will be the United States of Communist America.
THAT is when the Entitlement Class will be told they have to work because 100% tax rate is NOT enough to support the Political class.
Then we will have only two classes
a. The Political Class
b. The Social Slavery Class
As part of the Social Slavery Class you will
• Have to work or be classed a Burden on Society…. And disposed of
• Your NEEDS will be provided to you by the Political Class…as they (Political Class) decide what your needs are.
Welcome to the USCA comrade
@my911
Not fair!
You stole my answer!–lol–
But we know it won’t happen; right?
Not enough profit in it for them…
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
The USCA?
It won’t happen while I’m alive
Where do you put Social Security recipients in your “Entitlement Class”? WE PAID INTO IT ALL OUR LIVES only to have greedy politicians STEAL it all. Then the Conservative side self-destructed prior to the last election by driving away many those on SS with the blanket cut-them-off talk.
Yup, I do
I place those who paid (that includes me) in with the Taxpayers.
IF i make it another 13 years, I’ll break even ….. at 0% interest.
How many times did Romney, Ryan, Gingrich, Rand,etc have to say
NOBODY on SSI will be affected……????
They probably said it a lot but who heard them with today’s Media spinning the “news”? What a lot of people “heard” was the commentary on sites like this where not much care was taken to distinguish between Welfare Queens and legitimate retirees and disabled.
THAT’S where a lot of voters got the idea that Romney would CHOP Social Security himself. And also, Romney wasn’t that careful himself.
My point is that if someone wants to cut it ALL off they should say so and if not they should say THAT. Simply using the term “ENTITLEMENTS” (frequently in ALL CAPS) is misleading and self destructive.
@my911
Don’t ya think Romney and crowd knew different and was blatantly lying?
Yet why do they always get away with such. And what’s worse is, if you do punish them for their mistakes the democrats are the only ones who actually takes advantage of it… Talking about a catch 22!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Well Ryan was referring to written, published, info.
= = = =
The proposal strengthens this important retirement program and makes it sustainable for the long term.
Preserves the existing Social Security program for those 55 or older.
http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/issues/issue/default.aspx?IssueID=8521
= = = = = =
I know for a fact that nobummer has backtracked but Romney Ryan never got an at bat………so…
Who is to know if they were lying.
Do You?
How do you know?
@my911
Romney and RINOs knows that SS is or will become insolvent and at some point policy will have to be changed in order to keep people covered. This can be by reduction in services, increase in premiums, changing age limits and requirements, or combinations of the above. The point is they already current trends cannot be supported indefinitely as the number of people on SS constantly increases and as the paying base decreases. Thus they don’t address the problem’s root cause, yet spin their own tales as to what they would and the state of SS as they see it. The problem is here, what they see and state is not the same as the reality they know. They are just as guilty as Obama and company but only in degrees.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
@stRanger
Ain’t no need for any SS. Simply void it out. Let those who paid into it get a pro-ration of whatever they paid in and forget the whole system. If a state wants a form of SS, then that is their business, but keep it out of Federal Hands…
Flat tax is the most fair way tax for everybody. No other federal taxes–PERIOD!– No tariffs or any other taxes–PERIOD! State taxes is another story..
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Thanks for opening the hunting season on ME. I’ll remember that if we ever have another election.
A pro-rated payment? What is THAT and how do you determine it? All you are doing is rewarding the THIEVES who stole the money to begin with and punishing ME, the victim.
I’ll remember THAT too.
@stRanger
Opening hunting season on you?
I didn’t intend to start anything, anything bad on’ya. I apologize if you took it that way. However the facts speak for themselves. The only fair way to tax anyone is make everyone pay according their ability to pay, and with NO exceptions. A wealthy person can afford to pay more in taxes by buying more in the first place. A poor person pays only according to what little he does buy. Yet both are contributing evenly to the system based on their wealth. Because a poor has little money is NO excuse for him to NOT pay his fair share, specifically if he votes, having a vested interest in the country.
If I am wrong, please let me know where I am wrong, and we can analyze the situation, differences from there.
Otherwise I’ll stand by my statements 100%. Anything progressive or pro-rated is One of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I can’ wait for the Biggest “Entitlements” to be Cut —–”WELFARE”! -AFDC- Paying Non-Caucasians to stay High, eat Steaks, smoke Dope, Drink ’40s and BREED !! and Then CUT SSI “Crazy Money” Most People Collecting SSI, are Phoney!The Bum next door, a Dope Dealer, went to the Eye Dr., and Faked’ Legal’ Blindness. This Bastard NEVER Worked a Day in his life, “ON the Books.
ABSOLUTELY NOT EVERYONE on SSI is faking a disability and you know that. SSI needs to be FIXED, yes, and NOW, but here we are again. Another Conservative pulling his six-gun to slay the Evil-Entitlement Class and blasting a hole right through his own femoral artery.
I know an uncomfortably high number of people who dropped their support for the anti-Obama side and voted LIBERAL just to insure their own survival.
Oh, just so you’ll know – I I’m on Soc Sec and held to the anti-Obama agenda DESPITE all the loose patter about entitlements.
@stRanger
There would not be anything to argue over if SS or any other entitlement did not exist. Now that is fair as there is nothing to argue over and no money to be squandered away into other pockets. Sure some people may actually need some form of help, but that is for the states and private donations and charities to decide. One thing is for sure it ain’t a job for the Federal Government to decide who needs what. It was never intended a job for the Federal Gov either.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
So, because there are THIEVES galore out there you want to consign me and millions of others out there to a hideous death due to to exposure and starvation (assuming ObamaCare hasn’t already killed me)? No wonder the Liberals hate Conservatives.
I’d better get the hejj out of here before a mob with torches and pitchforks comes after me.
The Liberals SCARE me. You guys TERRIFY me.
@stRanger
I hate to break it to’ya, but the government is NOT in business to look after your good health or to provide you with jobs!
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
The government WAS in the business of lifting money from every paycheck plus my employer’s matching amount and THAT was to be put aside in a secure trust. Instead it was STOLEN to finance Johnson’s Great War and Noble Society. Or was it the other way around?
Either way, my retirement was stolen just as surely as in Obama’s plans for the theft of 401(k)s and other retirement accounts today is blatant THEFT. I’m NOT at all happy with the prospect of trying to survive by chewing the cardboard from the box I live in. Assuming of course that the box is ABOVE the sod.
The government STOLE it and you guys seem to want to punish ME and millions of others for their theft by dumping us in the nearest Dumpster. Sorry, we’re out of your money now, go away and die.
Wonderful. I love my dying country less and less every day now. I helped to build this country’s infrastructure and volunteered to stand between the Bay of Biscay and 22,000 Russian tanks among other things and I never asked for any thanks. But my “reward” is to be discarded as useless and a burden on society by the lovely people who stole my future.
Judging by what I have seen and heard in the past 3 years I have no friends on either side of the political spectrum. People once wrote Classics of Literature about this kind of thing. They’ll write about this era too in history books about the decline and fall of America and the coming butchery of its young and elderly who are always the first to suffer.
Not even Tom Clancy could have or would have dreamed up THIS scenario.
Oh, by the way. I didn’t ask for Social Security it was forced on me in such a way that precluded my being able to pay into any other retirement plan way back in “those” days. I was stuck with it and I’m able to live with it now by being careful how I spend my meager monthly stipend I didn’t ask for prescription drug care either but Bush and the Right shoved THAT on us just as Obama and the Left are cramming “Affordable Choices” up us.
Golly, I’m terribly sorry about being such a burden on you guys out there but I began helping to build up that fairy tale free to steal gov’t bank account the Liberals have stolen so much from when I was 16. That was over 50 years ago. Try to keep in mind that I am a victim of all of this NOT the cause of all of your monetary angst.
Oh, what was I thinking?! Of course it is all my fault. I haven’t died!
Yet.
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@stRanger
You misunderstand at least me!
I don’t want you to lose the money you’ve paid into the system, afterall it *WAS* your money. But it’s like this, the government is gonna go broke after taking your money all these years and after whatever service you gave the DC government. (btw your service at the Bay of Biscay did NOTHING to ensure the freedoms of this country. If anything it gave the Fed Gov the ability to hide money for its’ pet projects so one day it could do exactly what it is doing today. btw also, the Russians were never our real enemy. The cold war was a charade to guide people in other directions, diverting attention from who was really making war on the usa public.)
What you seem to overlook is the fact that DC took your money through fraud and unconstitutional acts and you paid them. If you had done proper you and your army buddies would have marched on DC with your weapons and stopped this madness. THEN and ONLY then would you have protecting our rights!
I would want you to have your money back but I know in reality you’ll never get it. Therefore I say it is best to at least cut our losses and leave this mess you call DC, the Federal Gov. If you don’t it is ONLY gonna get worse for all of us. Shortly the whole system is gonna crash and you’ll still be ending up with nothing. So don’t be mad at me for what you’ve done…
Being patriotic does NOT mean joining the military, saying the Pledge of Allegiance or running for any office. It surely does not mean getting hurt or dying for a country that does not respect your freedoms nor protects them! Being patriotic means in Greek, “Inheritor of your fathers land”. It means you are protecting your fathers estate or state in order for you inheritance. It simply means doing the right things in order to protect your father’s land. This doesn’t necessarily mean fighting. It could mean something as simple as standing up to bullies or making sure the paperwork is in order. It can mean singing outlawed tunes on the pipes as it did in old Scotland against the King’s orders. Or it can mean standing up to the gun grabbers who wishes more than just guns but has not the courage to tell this to our faces. Being patriotic means honoring what you father had, NOT what the Federal Gov gives you! I owe the Federal Gov NOTHING especially NO patriotism! I owe my patriotism to my state, then my locality and finally my family and God. True patriotism works from the bottom up, NOT from the top down!
Just think of your sacrifice as a learning experience of what NOT to do for the Federal Gov! I owe my allegiance and patriotism to my state of North Carolina. I suggest you learn how this was originally meant as true patriotism before Lincoln’s War changed all this…..
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Social Security was meant ONLY FOR RETIREMENT and NOT for disabilities….. Got that? Once they started with the disabilities, and then they started giving our money to illegals coming into our country, it started to go bankrupt……
Senator John McCain, Senator Jon Kyle and all of the other Republican Senator’s and Congressmen that voted for Obama’s plan should be recalled by their constituents. They all threw us under the bus to kiss you know who’s, you know what.
Wow! No wonder the Libiots are winning. Conservatives actually ARE stupid. Trash me, trash my service, throw me under your fiscal bus. Keep driving away the support for your me-first-and-only agenda boys. I’m your mortal enemy – a Social Security Recipient. Oh, the Horror! Not one of THOSE.
You guys didn’t lose the last election, you threw the match. You walked right into the teeth of the Libs strategy. Well done.
I put on the uniform because it was required of me as a citizen and you idiots tell me I was serving the NWO and not Uncle Sam? It all meant nothing? I should be chastised for it? Doesn’t sound that way when one of YOU has the cammies on. Ok, I quit. I surrender. Come and get me.
If you can.
From now on I support NOBODY but myself. A curse on BOTH political houses.
@stRanger
Now you’re getting the idea! Don’t support anybody and BOTH parties are a curse! You nailed it! Now before you go ballistic on me again, let me tell you a few things so you can further understand more specifically I am getting at.
My dad’s side has been very pro military and supportive of the usa federal government for years and years. My dad served in both the army and navy. His dad served in the National Parks Service and as Secret Service protection, specifically for JFK. He was also the American liaison officer for Winston Churchill during WWII. I have numerous cousins from that side that served in the military, one being a Navy SEAL. And my dad’s grandfather was a high ranking professor at the Univ Knoxville, TN. Yet this side of my family produced over 100 men for the Confederate Army, with some being killed and others being taken prisoner, being placed at prison camps far worse than what you were taught and told about Andersonville.
Yet my relatives, uncles and dad say they did serve for the US Gov but instead hoped to bring a bit of our life and understanding into the government in hopes it would balance out their thoughts and treatment of all true blooded Americans. They were not, and they never intended on being the federal gov’s enforcement arm against the people. Matter of fact they said they would oppose their own commanders if orders were contrary to the people.
My dad’s family goes all the way to an early president, whom I have happened to receive part of an inheritance from, handed down through the many years. (I have been privy to information many have not had the opportunity to know. So I do not speak out of ignorance.)
I have several Vietnam vets whom I have talked much with about Nam as well as things going on today. They tell me they didn’t know the full details of what was really going on then, that they *THOUGHT* they were being patriotic. I take it you feel the same way. They now understand that Nam wasn’t to free the Vietnamese from anything, but rather to bring them under American control by puppet-masters. It didn’t concern our freedoms at all, but rather it was doing the rich mans bidding. Sadly all the young boys had been so propagandized and brainwashed they didn’t know the difference, nor the truth.
Look at this video, it may help you understand. It is from Maj General Smedley Butler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0
The thing is, today you are now experiencing the after effects of being lied to, manipulated and brain washed and you find it extremely hard to rationalize this out to something you can easily accept. In the process you get angry at anyone who contradicts your thoughts. BUT it is a start in your quest in ultimately finding out the truth. Just as my ancestors knew the truth 150 years ago in a fight they lost, they never gave up hope and they worked towards doing the right things the best they could, even in a corrupt, lying and deceitful federal government. this is the reason I told you to cut your losses, accept things that you’ve experienced as a learning experience, although I know it has been costly. To do anything otherwise would only be even more costly to you in the long run. It is up to you to make the most out of this bad situation… All I can do for you is point you in the right direction….
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
Mike………..
THAT is a “heavy” post.
I’ll need time to digest it and reflect on it before offering a “reply”
In the meantime , have you read the (controversial) book…
“The Untold History of the United States”… Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick?
How do those reports fit your dialogue?